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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff You Missed in History Class from how

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Speaker 1: Stuff Works dot Com. Hello, and welcome to the podcast.

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Speaker 1: I'm Tracy Vie Wilson and I'm Holly Fry and we

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Speaker 1: are recently back from a trip to Chicago, which was fantastic.

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Speaker 1: It was Thank you so much everyone who came to

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Speaker 1: see us in Chicago. We went there for a live

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Speaker 1: show at D two E two, which is a convention

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Speaker 1: that kind of stuff, and also Stuff you Missed the

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Speaker 1: History Class live show. Yeah, that's like the most dangerous

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Speaker 1: work trip for me to go on because, as Tracy knows,

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Speaker 1: I bought a lot of art on the show floor. Yep, yep.

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Speaker 1: You you definitely had art on your mind on the

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Speaker 1: show floor. I did. It's a problem basically, I can't Yeah,

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Speaker 1: We had a great audience. Uh, you all were awesome.

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Speaker 1: You basically filled a whole room for us to talk

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Speaker 1: about the history of pizza. And now we're going to

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Speaker 1: share that episode with the rest of our listeners who

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Speaker 1: could not be there with us. Uh, you know, we're

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Speaker 1: we're going to include just the live show part of

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Speaker 1: of the show that we did live in Chicago. Um,

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Speaker 1: and I have a couple of notes just before we

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Speaker 1: there's a little bit more of that in this episode.

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Speaker 1: And they were also pushed to talk microphones, and we

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Speaker 1: mention that normally, if you listen to our show, you

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Speaker 1: know that we run a pretty clean chip here. We

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Speaker 1: usually keep a family friendly, but there are some illusions

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Speaker 1: in this particular episode. Anytime there's a live show, it

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Speaker 1: let's let's get to it. Hi, there can everyone hear me.

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Speaker 1: I have to say, you guys are amazing because she

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Speaker 1: our website ever? Thank you? So I decided to make

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to read all of them, but yeah,

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Speaker 1: don't think there's pizza under your seat. This is an oprah.

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Speaker 1: gonna talk about pizza today. We're gonna talk about pizza

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Speaker 1: wackadoodle pizza trivia at the end. So lots of societies

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Speaker 1: What could I put on that and make it delicious?

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Speaker 1: That's actually how I lived my first five years. I

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Speaker 1: And then I usually talk about my cats and get derailed.

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Speaker 1: But it had an unfortunate name, which was placenta. It's

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Speaker 1: Holly Virgil. In the India, go for it. Okay, So

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Speaker 1: Colombian Exchange. It's after Christopher Columbus went to the America's

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Speaker 1: really does. Say a day when I was rereading over

427
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Speaker 1: my notes and I was like, what was that right?

428
00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:19,040
Speaker 1: And I pulled my book out and yes, it is

429
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Speaker 1: right a day, that's three hundred and fifty slices per second.

430
00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:27,040
Speaker 1: So right now, three slices just got chomped on just then.

431
00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:30,359
Speaker 1: And what that average is out to each person, including

432
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Speaker 1: every child, is eating about forty six slices per year.

433
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Speaker 1: When we talked about this at dinner last night, my

434
00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:40,320
Speaker 1: husband was sitting next to us and he said, amateurs,

435
00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:43,639
Speaker 1: you're you're making up for me because I don't. I

436
00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:46,360
Speaker 1: don't eat that. I did have two slices of pizza

437
00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:48,879
Speaker 1: in the convention center today. I don't know if that counts,

438
00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:51,320
Speaker 1: but now I think you have a lot of information

439
00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:54,439
Speaker 1: about pizza in the US. I do. Well. Yeah, So

440
00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:58,440
Speaker 1: pizza made its way into the United States basically with

441
00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:01,840
Speaker 1: Italian immigrants, and so any city that had an Italian

442
00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:05,080
Speaker 1: immigrant population that was large enough to basically support a

443
00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:08,639
Speaker 1: restaurant wound up with a restaurant that served pizza. It

444
00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:11,800
Speaker 1: was just sort of a natural way of developing. People

445
00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:14,040
Speaker 1: wanted to have food that tasted like home, and they

446
00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:16,560
Speaker 1: wanted to have food that was made the way that

447
00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:18,480
Speaker 1: they were used to having it at home. It's the

448
00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:20,679
Speaker 1: same basic story of a lot of different foods that

449
00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:23,320
Speaker 1: are you know, come from other cultures into the United States,

450
00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:25,720
Speaker 1: that come along with the people who were eating them

451
00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:29,639
Speaker 1: like they ate them at home. So that that means

452
00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:33,840
Speaker 1: with with basically pizza. Following waves of immigration into the

453
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Speaker 1: United States, the first licensed to sell pizza was in

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Speaker 1: New York City place called Lombardies. This is, I want

455
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Speaker 1: to stress this was not the first place in New

456
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Speaker 1: York City making pizza. This was the first place in

457
00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:52,000
Speaker 1: New York City legally making pizza. But the really cool

458
00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:55,760
Speaker 1: thing was they had a super amazing set up there

459
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Speaker 1: that they're oven legendary. It could cook fifteen pizzas at once.

460
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:02,880
Speaker 1: It was seven ft high by twelve feet wide by

461
00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:06,439
Speaker 1: twelve ft deep. This is like the serious mamma gamma

462
00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:10,679
Speaker 1: of pizza. Ovens Uh and Lombardes would eventually expand and

463
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Speaker 1: shift to offer some more additional general Italian restaurant type

464
00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:17,320
Speaker 1: fair uh and it really became a key spot in

465
00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:21,040
Speaker 1: the foundation of Little Italy in New York. The next

466
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Speaker 1: it's not the next place, ever. The next place I

467
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Speaker 1: have written down in my notes where we had pizza

468
00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:31,200
Speaker 1: was in Chicago, uh and, and that was Granados, which

469
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Speaker 1: was at nine oh seven West Taylor Street. We know

470
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Speaker 1: that they were open as of nineteen twenty four because

471
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Speaker 1: there's a postcard that survives that is like the storefront

472
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Speaker 1: and the some nice text in There's some discussion about

473
00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:46,840
Speaker 1: whether there was pizza being sold from uh from like

474
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Speaker 1: hand carts and stuff before that. But that was the

475
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Speaker 1: first Chicago pizza place. And Holly and I both read

476
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Speaker 1: a very dramatic exchange in the newspaper written in the

477
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Speaker 1: nineteen seventies. We're skipping had a little bit with that

478
00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:05,400
Speaker 1: because somebody had written about Pizzeria Pizzeria, you know, as

479
00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:09,679
Speaker 1: the first pizza place in Chicago. And oh, this food

480
00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:14,160
Speaker 1: critic was sorely offended. The word livid does not really

481
00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:16,960
Speaker 1: begin to describe it. And he was just like, you

482
00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:19,720
Speaker 1: guys are ignoring this place that was really the first place,

483
00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:22,240
Speaker 1: you don't know your history, you don't know what this

484
00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:24,800
Speaker 1: is about. And unfortunately by that point Granados had closed

485
00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:27,919
Speaker 1: at closed in the nineteen six one uh And as

486
00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:31,199
Speaker 1: a consequence, because they were doing Neapolitan style, not the

487
00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:33,520
Speaker 1: deep dish that Chicago is now famous for, and because

488
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:36,040
Speaker 1: it had closed, it kind of gets overlooked. But to

489
00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:38,840
Speaker 1: the best of anyone's knowledge, historically, that really was the

490
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:42,320
Speaker 1: first pizzeria here. So we you know, we had we

491
00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:45,240
Speaker 1: had pizza that was spreading through different cities. Every city

492
00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:47,320
Speaker 1: was having their own if they had, you know, a

493
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:50,960
Speaker 1: large Italian American immigrant population having their own pizza. I

494
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:53,000
Speaker 1: do want to stress that the reason that people forget

495
00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:55,359
Speaker 1: about Granados and we're talking about Chicago history is that

496
00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:59,439
Speaker 1: they were serving that uh, you know, Neapolitan pizza. They

497
00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:02,040
Speaker 1: were not so raying the types of pizza that Chicago

498
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:06,560
Speaker 1: is famous for now. But then after World War Two,

499
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:10,280
Speaker 1: the popularity of pizza really exploded in the United States.

500
00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:13,959
Speaker 1: The same thing was actually happening in Italy. Like in Italy, uh,

501
00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:17,800
Speaker 1: after World War two, as tourism was expanding, people who

502
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:21,040
Speaker 1: had started to associate pizza with Italian food would go

503
00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:24,360
Speaker 1: to Italy and they would expect to find pizza anywhere

504
00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:28,640
Speaker 1: in Italy, even though it was from southern Italy, particularly

505
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:31,399
Speaker 1: around Naples, and so like these restaurants in northern itast

506
00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:33,600
Speaker 1: at least started trying to make pizza. And these first

507
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:35,760
Speaker 1: pizza attempts were not very good. They did not know

508
00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:38,800
Speaker 1: what they were doing. Yeah, if you go back and

509
00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:42,719
Speaker 1: look to like the record, I always think that cookbooks

510
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:44,480
Speaker 1: are like one of the best history books on earth

511
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:46,560
Speaker 1: because they'll really tell you what's going on. And if

512
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:49,160
Speaker 1: you look at at cookbooks from Italy at the time,

513
00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:52,159
Speaker 1: nowhere but around Naples did any of them feature like

514
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:54,440
Speaker 1: how to make pizza. It just it really was not

515
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:57,040
Speaker 1: the national food at that point that we thought it

516
00:27:57,119 --> 00:27:59,720
Speaker 1: was already that the tourists were scuttling over there to

517
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:02,800
Speaker 1: eat eat. It was still really a Neapolitan thing. But

518
00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:05,320
Speaker 1: all of these other pizzerias throughout Italy were like, we

519
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:07,439
Speaker 1: gotta meet demand, and that's why they got all the

520
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:11,200
Speaker 1: mediocre pizza. Yeah, it was, but some of the descriptions

521
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:12,919
Speaker 1: are really gross. They were like and then it started

522
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:16,520
Speaker 1: out with kind of an English muffiny situation, which you

523
00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:19,400
Speaker 1: can make. You can make an English muffin pizza home.

524
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:21,200
Speaker 1: It's a nice snack, but you don't really want to

525
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:24,080
Speaker 1: go into a restaurant expecting pizza and get a large

526
00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:28,080
Speaker 1: thing with an English that's weird. We're gonna talk about

527
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:32,040
Speaker 1: some more weird pizzas later sold that thoughts too. So

528
00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:35,359
Speaker 1: after World War Two, the popularity just getting a lot

529
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:37,520
Speaker 1: in response to a lot of things, like people are

530
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:40,960
Speaker 1: starting to move to the suburbs, people are starting there's

531
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:44,320
Speaker 1: a whole that whole idea of like the fifties housewife

532
00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:46,640
Speaker 1: needing to supply her family with a hearty meal that's

533
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:49,200
Speaker 1: easy to make, like a pizza making kids started coming around.

534
00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:50,600
Speaker 1: I think you had down when the first one of

535
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:53,680
Speaker 1: that was right, Yeah, the first one was in. And

536
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:55,320
Speaker 1: we should also point out that this was really a

537
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:58,360
Speaker 1: time post World War two was really when the concept

538
00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:01,760
Speaker 1: of leisure culture happened in America. So pizza kind of

539
00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:04,320
Speaker 1: slotted perfectly into that. Like you could use it as

540
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:06,280
Speaker 1: a party food. It was great for a snack food,

541
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:09,360
Speaker 1: it was a fun treat for kids. Like pizza really

542
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:12,040
Speaker 1: just kind of had that perfect storm of timing where

543
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:14,480
Speaker 1: it got popular here at the same time that we

544
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:16,800
Speaker 1: were kind of past the horribleness of World War two,

545
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:20,000
Speaker 1: and that idea, like she said, of like fifties housewives

546
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:22,479
Speaker 1: and the future was bright and we have time and

547
00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:26,720
Speaker 1: money that we can spend on yummy, delicious treats. Pizza.

548
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:30,280
Speaker 1: The first commercial mix for pizza sauce came around at

549
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:34,000
Speaker 1: the same time. It was Roman Pizza Mix from Worcester, Massachusetts,

550
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:36,720
Speaker 1: and it was invented by a guy named Frank A. Fiarello.

551
00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:40,920
Speaker 1: And was also the first time that we saw the

552
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:43,400
Speaker 1: concept of frozen pizza, which was again going along with

553
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:47,440
Speaker 1: that kind of like positivity upswing where the US was

554
00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:51,760
Speaker 1: kind of into manufacturing and and not just leisure but convenience.

555
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:56,440
Speaker 1: It's also when we started getting the really standardized franchise

556
00:29:56,520 --> 00:30:00,120
Speaker 1: pizza restaurant with like the thing that like region have

557
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:03,000
Speaker 1: their their pizza that people living there identify with, and

558
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:05,680
Speaker 1: that maybe people outside of that region, like the you know,

559
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 1: sort of have an idea of what Chicago Deep Dish

560
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:10,040
Speaker 1: pizza is or like what New York style pizza is.

561
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:13,760
Speaker 1: But then there's like the ubiquitous standardized pizza that you

562
00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:16,960
Speaker 1: walk into a chain restaurant to get, like is a

563
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:19,320
Speaker 1: flat thing and there's cheese and there's pepperoni and whatever

564
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:21,880
Speaker 1: on it. Uh, if you've been eating any of these,

565
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:24,120
Speaker 1: then you probably if maybe the first time you ever

566
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:28,000
Speaker 1: try to eat a pizza margarita from the more Italian style,

567
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:31,440
Speaker 1: you're like, where's the stuff on it? Because we're used

568
00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:34,320
Speaker 1: to eating at places like Pizza Hut, Little Suesars, and Dominoes,

569
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:37,520
Speaker 1: which are open in nineteen nineteen fifty nine, And I

570
00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:41,160
Speaker 1: wrote one of these states are wrong? They were. It

571
00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:43,520
Speaker 1: was all in like a two year window all these

572
00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:46,440
Speaker 1: places opened. Pizza Hut was in Kansas, and Little Suses

573
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:49,560
Speaker 1: and Dominoes were both in Michigan. Uh. And none of

574
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:52,560
Speaker 1: them were founded by people who were Italian or were

575
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:55,520
Speaker 1: actually interested in making good pizza. They were all founded

576
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:59,000
Speaker 1: is basically a business proposition. Uh. And that is the

577
00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:02,040
Speaker 1: pizza that a lot of people associate with pizza? Is

578
00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:05,000
Speaker 1: that pizza rather than sort of the more unique, individually

579
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:08,920
Speaker 1: culturally flared pizza. Yeah, I have in my notes. The

580
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:12,080
Speaker 1: first Domino was in if the Lanti, Michigan. It wasn't

581
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:14,840
Speaker 1: called Domino's yet, and that was in nineteen sixty Did

582
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:18,640
Speaker 1: I say that right? Sweet? I should know I have

583
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:21,840
Speaker 1: relatives in Michigan, but that does not confer knowledge. Uh,

584
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:26,280
Speaker 1: and and uh it became Dominoes later in ninety five.

585
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 1: There were two brothers that founded it and it it

586
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:30,760
Speaker 1: started as Dominics, and then when the one brother bought

587
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:32,720
Speaker 1: the other one out, he changed it to Domino's. The

588
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:34,800
Speaker 1: other interesting thing that's really going on at this time

589
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:38,960
Speaker 1: is that the nineteen fifties also featured a huge uptick

590
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:41,680
Speaker 1: again as part of that leisure culture and a desire

591
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:45,600
Speaker 1: to be worldly, this fascination with ethnic foods, and so

592
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:48,520
Speaker 1: even though pizza was already here, it like that was

593
00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:50,520
Speaker 1: just where it got the super foothold, so much so

594
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 1: that people were actually scared that it was going to

595
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:56,720
Speaker 1: supplant the hot dog is the great American snack, which

596
00:31:56,760 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 1: I would argue, maybe, dude, we're coming for a hot dogs.

597
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:02,640
Speaker 1: I love a good hot dog, but I think pizza

598
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:06,360
Speaker 1: wins for me. Sure. Tombstone Pizza was introduced in nineteen

599
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:09,400
Speaker 1: sixty two, although I found one thing that said nineteen

600
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:11,800
Speaker 1: fifty seven was actually the first Frisen pizza. But these

601
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:15,960
Speaker 1: weren't originally for home eating. They were more for restaurants. Yeah,

602
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:20,200
Speaker 1: Tombstone actually started as a distributor that marketed their products

603
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:23,520
Speaker 1: to bars because people drink and they want a little

604
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:27,160
Speaker 1: snackaroo with their beer their cocktail. Who doesn't. Uh. So

605
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 1: that was really where it started. And it wasn't until

606
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:32,200
Speaker 1: they realized like, oh, we're really good at this, We're

607
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 1: really good at manufacturing pizza, and I bet we could

608
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:37,320
Speaker 1: go direct to consumer that they shifted to that model

609
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:40,440
Speaker 1: because originally it was just restaurants supply. It was also

610
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:43,960
Speaker 1: an about this time that pizza parlors started becoming a

611
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:46,280
Speaker 1: fun place for young people to hang out and work,

612
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 1: and of course an also place for old people to

613
00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:53,640
Speaker 1: disparage because that's where all the young people were. That's

614
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:56,480
Speaker 1: how they did it in the old country, remember right,

615
00:32:56,840 --> 00:33:01,760
Speaker 1: remember back in in Italy. What happened next? Holly, Well,

616
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:04,520
Speaker 1: next we're gonna talk about we're gonna shift gears a

617
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:06,760
Speaker 1: little bit and talk about sort of the regional styles

618
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:08,320
Speaker 1: of pizza, and then we'll get to all that fun

619
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:17,120
Speaker 1: trivia great pizza. Uh. And we're gonna talk about trivia next.

620
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:19,520
Speaker 1: But before we get to all the pizza trivia, we're

621
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Speaker 1: gonna have a little word from one of our fantastic sponsors.

622
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Speaker 1: So we really closed out our live show with some

623
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Speaker 1: Q and A from the audience. Uh, And we're not

624
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:37,040
Speaker 1: gonna have the Q and A from the audience as

625
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:39,240
Speaker 1: part of this live show because it was it was

626
00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:42,800
Speaker 1: mostly random stuff that folks are personally curious about. So

627
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:47,480
Speaker 1: unlike our live show on presidential assassinations, where we included

628
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:49,160
Speaker 1: the Q and A, because the Q and A was

629
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Speaker 1: almost entirely about the presidential assassinations, We're gonna We're gonna

630
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:58,000
Speaker 1: end with what the actual live show part of our

631
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:00,440
Speaker 1: or what the actual live podcast part of our Lives

632
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 1: show ended with, which was some interesting regional pizzas, some

633
00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:13,880
Speaker 1: pizza trivia, some uh, some just personal notes about pizza. Okay,

634
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:16,760
Speaker 1: So a lot of the regional pizzas that people identify

635
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:20,120
Speaker 1: really strongly with a specific place started before the boom

636
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:25,160
Speaker 1: in standardized franchise pizzas. So like before things like Pizza

637
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 1: Hut became ubiquitous, communities are already making their own unique pizzas.

638
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:34,719
Speaker 1: Who listens to Judge John Hodgman, Okay, recently, Judg N.

639
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:38,240
Speaker 1: Hodgeman was settling a dispute about whether white pizzas counted

640
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:40,200
Speaker 1: his pizzas or not, and he he said that he

641
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:42,920
Speaker 1: thought New Haven, Connecticut was the center of pizza culture

642
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:45,120
Speaker 1: in the United States. I thought he was making a joke,

643
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:50,520
Speaker 1: but no, there really is a very unique pizza culture

644
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:53,320
Speaker 1: in New Haven, Connecticut, and the pizzas kind of oblong.

645
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:56,480
Speaker 1: Often the crest is a little more charred than you

646
00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:59,360
Speaker 1: might see elsewhere. And one of the famous things is

647
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:05,279
Speaker 1: a clam pizza. Yeah. See that either sounds great to

648
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:07,520
Speaker 1: you or terrible to you. I want, I do want

649
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:09,520
Speaker 1: to say it is a white pizza, so there's no

650
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:13,920
Speaker 1: there's no tomato part in there. Uh. And that was

651
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:17,319
Speaker 1: that was created in nive by a guy who I

652
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:20,399
Speaker 1: think his name was Frank Peppe. I am guessing on

653
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:23,120
Speaker 1: how to pronounce that. And that is a real thing

654
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:26,759
Speaker 1: from New Haven, Connecticut. Are you ready to talk about

655
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:29,640
Speaker 1: Chicago Deep Dish? We are ready to talk about Chicago

656
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:34,160
Speaker 1: Deep Dish. Don't get excited. That's not the whole rest

657
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:37,759
Speaker 1: of the thing, But I do love Deep Dish. So

658
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:40,000
Speaker 1: Deep Dish, of course, as most of you probably know,

659
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:42,680
Speaker 1: was born a pizzeria. You know, there's on the corner

660
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 1: of Ohio and Wabash, and that was in three although

661
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:48,000
Speaker 1: it did not actually go by that name until later.

662
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:50,080
Speaker 1: It was first simply called the pizzeria, and then it

663
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:53,960
Speaker 1: was called Pizzeria Ricardo. It was not until Pizzeria Doe opened,

664
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 1: etherialized they needed a pizzeria, you know, and that was

665
00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:00,600
Speaker 1: that was in and that's when they which the name.

666
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:03,160
Speaker 1: We drove by their drove. We wrote in a cab

667
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:05,920
Speaker 1: by there yesterday on our way to go to the

668
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:11,200
Speaker 1: dressing down and exhibit, which was lovely. Uh. Pizzia Juno

669
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:14,080
Speaker 1: was actually opened by a Texan named Ike Sewell and

670
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:17,160
Speaker 1: an Italian named Rick Ricardo. But the lore is that

671
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:21,440
Speaker 1: in fact Sewell originally wanted to open a Mexican restaurant.

672
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:25,040
Speaker 1: He didn't He wasn't really going for Italian initially, until

673
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:27,960
Speaker 1: Ricardo was like, I don't like Mexican food, and so

674
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:32,520
Speaker 1: it became a pizza place instead. Uh. And so they're

675
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:34,960
Speaker 1: there's like, there are people who claimed that that Ike

676
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:38,279
Speaker 1: will sue. However, you say that he that he invented it,

677
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:42,399
Speaker 1: and then there are also people that say that his

678
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:45,359
Speaker 1: business partner partner invented it. And then there's a whole

679
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:49,120
Speaker 1: third train of thought that it was their employee, Ruddy

680
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:54,759
Speaker 1: Rudy Monnati. You think that's right, sure, but you're a

681
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 1: wave of disapproval from the ground. I don't know, Okay, good, Yeah,

682
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:02,280
Speaker 1: I like that we have like an instant fact check. Yeah.

683
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 1: And actually Maul Natty's grandson, who worked at pizzerie you

684
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 1: know for a long time, eventually opened lou Mau Natties,

685
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:13,240
Speaker 1: which is in and then his half brother Rudy Jr.

686
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:19,840
Speaker 1: Opened Paisanos. They're pretty much like the Dynasty of Chicago pizza. Really. Yeah,

687
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 1: so I think pretty much everyone agrees that i Will

688
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:26,800
Speaker 1: probably did not personally invent the deep dish pizza himself.

689
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:31,680
Speaker 1: He was just really good at marketing it. What do

690
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:34,239
Speaker 1: you have next to talk about more weird pizza? Yeah,

691
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:36,880
Speaker 1: next time, kind of ready to talk about weird stuff. Well,

692
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:40,040
Speaker 1: I'm gonna talk about a couple other This is definitely

693
00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:44,160
Speaker 1: not all the other weird, not necessarily weird, unique unique

694
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:47,200
Speaker 1: pizzas from other places around the United States. Colorado Rocky

695
00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:50,680
Speaker 1: Mountain Pie is a pizza with this enormous, enormously thick

696
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 1: crust and you can't really eat all the safty part

697
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:56,280
Speaker 1: and eat all the crust too, So the crust afterward

698
00:37:56,560 --> 00:38:00,200
Speaker 1: is dipped in honey, like it's you're dessert. I'm cool

699
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:03,000
Speaker 1: with that. I like honey. Uh. Yeah. This was also

700
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:06,080
Speaker 1: a time so you know, as we get into the

701
00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:08,439
Speaker 1: sixties and seventies and going forward, there were some really

702
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:10,600
Speaker 1: weird ones. This one I did not find where people

703
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:14,200
Speaker 1: were doing this, but there was allegedly one experimentation with

704
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:16,799
Speaker 1: the concept of pizza that was fairly common in the

705
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:19,560
Speaker 1: US for a little while. That started with a biscuit

706
00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 1: style crust and then they put onion tomato and you

707
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:27,919
Speaker 1: may or may not grown liver worst on top. Half

708
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:29,520
Speaker 1: of you are like that sounds fab and the other

709
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:34,760
Speaker 1: half are like thumbs um. This is also when English

710
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:37,560
Speaker 1: muffin pizzas became a thing, and for a while there

711
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 1: was one particular trend where you would make an English

712
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:42,759
Speaker 1: muffin pizza and because it was on what had been

713
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:45,120
Speaker 1: considered a breakfast food up at that point, you always

714
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:49,200
Speaker 1: served it with coffee. I'm sorry, a pizza and coffee

715
00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:52,640
Speaker 1: sounds gross to me. I drink coffee with everything, so

716
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:58,239
Speaker 1: I don't. I have no no gauge, you do you? Uh? So,

717
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:00,200
Speaker 1: of course New York City is really very us for

718
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:03,640
Speaker 1: takeout slices of pizza. Uh. And that is often like

719
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 1: a crust that's simultaneously crispy and chewy, and definitely a

720
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:10,040
Speaker 1: lot thener than in Chicago, and then the last kind

721
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:12,640
Speaker 1: of odd not really on. I don't know why I

722
00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:16,400
Speaker 1: keep saying they're odd. They're not the tomato pie in Trenton,

723
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:19,160
Speaker 1: New Jersey. We're basically the cheese is under the toppings

724
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:22,040
Speaker 1: and the toppings go under the sauce. It's kind of backwards.

725
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:24,120
Speaker 1: And that's actually how a lot of the earlier pizzas

726
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:27,399
Speaker 1: in the United States were made, was with the with

727
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:30,359
Speaker 1: the the cheese going under the sauce. And then when

728
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:33,160
Speaker 1: she get into the nineteen eighties, California, those a wacky

729
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 1: heard decided that they would kind of kick up this

730
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:39,200
Speaker 1: concept of gourmet pizza. That's like when the first barbecue

731
00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:42,840
Speaker 1: chicken pizza happened, and places like California Pizza Kitchen and

732
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:46,080
Speaker 1: Wolfgang Puck really kind of blossomed and sent that all

733
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:49,719
Speaker 1: off into just the stratosphere in terms of popularity. We

734
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:52,040
Speaker 1: should also point out that there are also a lot

735
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:55,080
Speaker 1: of other Chicago pizza styles besides dust deep dish. Deep

736
00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:57,080
Speaker 1: Dish is sort of the thing that everyone outside of

737
00:39:57,160 --> 00:39:59,799
Speaker 1: Chicago has decided as the Chicago style pizza, but there

738
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:03,719
Speaker 1: are other ones also. Um there is stuffed pizza, which

739
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:09,359
Speaker 1: is like deep dish, but more extreme. Uh. And then

740
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:11,640
Speaker 1: I read some stuff about how on the South Side

741
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:13,920
Speaker 1: there's one that's like a really thin crust pizza that's

742
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:15,920
Speaker 1: a lot more similar to what was served in April.

743
00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:19,920
Speaker 1: I'm glad somebody's excited. Uh. If we were here for longer,

744
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:21,719
Speaker 1: we would need to go on like a pizza tour.

745
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:26,400
Speaker 1: And you actually can go on a pizza tour. It

746
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:28,840
Speaker 1: was really important to us to see that down Nawby exhibit.

747
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:32,799
Speaker 1: Though there was much gasping. But this is not the

748
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:36,200
Speaker 1: only country that has food that people call pizza, even

749
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:39,799
Speaker 1: though other styles are not really what we would look

750
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:41,680
Speaker 1: at and go, oh, that's a pizza. Well, and some

751
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:45,920
Speaker 1: of them are like American people putting the word like

752
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:49,719
Speaker 1: nation before the word pizza to describe a food that

753
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:53,040
Speaker 1: is not recognizable is pizza like cocao miaki people call

754
00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:56,319
Speaker 1: the Japanese pizza. It's not like pizza. It is like

755
00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:58,839
Speaker 1: a People also like to call it a pancake. It's

756
00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:01,759
Speaker 1: not like a pancake e or it is like this

757
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:06,040
Speaker 1: concoction of of shredded cabbage, that is, it is held

758
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:08,480
Speaker 1: together with some things that you would make a pancake

759
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:10,759
Speaker 1: or a dough out of but then you top it

760
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:14,799
Speaker 1: with some delicious sauce and some some bacon or other meat.

761
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:20,400
Speaker 1: It's super good. Benito flakes. Bonito flakes, Uh yeah, Patrick

762
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:22,919
Speaker 1: has made them for me. You are a lucky woman. Yeah.

763
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:26,520
Speaker 1: But pizza, so stop calling a Japanese pizza. There's there's

764
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:29,279
Speaker 1: also a pizza, so it's there's also a food that's

765
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:31,840
Speaker 1: called Turkish pizza. When you hear it, you'll be like

766
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:36,520
Speaker 1: that pizza. Uh. It's called la lama june or lama june.

767
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:38,719
Speaker 1: I'm not sure the exact pronunciation. But it's a flatbread

768
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:40,840
Speaker 1: and you put mince meat on top, and then that

769
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:43,120
Speaker 1: sprinkled with lemon juice like a lot of Mediterranean meat

770
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:45,680
Speaker 1: dishes are, and then it's rolled with veggies in the

771
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:48,960
Speaker 1: middle and then sometimes sliced. That doesn't sound like pizza

772
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:50,759
Speaker 1: at all, but people call it pizza because it starts

773
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:53,719
Speaker 1: with a flat bread and meat. Do you do you

774
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:55,360
Speaker 1: have other pizza things you want to share? Before? I

775
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:57,640
Speaker 1: read a couple of people's just scathing words about how

776
00:41:57,680 --> 00:41:59,839
Speaker 1: much they hated pizza. Read the scathing words and then

777
00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:03,880
Speaker 1: we'll do fun trivia. Let's do Okay, here's person who

778
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:08,920
Speaker 1: hated pizza Samuel Morse and inventor of Morse Code and

779
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:11,719
Speaker 1: Pizza Hate. Before she even reads this, I really feel

780
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:13,560
Speaker 1: like you need to brace for the level of iron,

781
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:22,760
Speaker 1: because that man hate pizza. Here's how Samuel Morse, inventor

782
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 1: of Morse Code and Pizza Hate, described pizza in a

783
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:35,239
Speaker 1: species of most nauseating cake covered over with slices of

784
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:39,360
Speaker 1: pomadoro or tomatoes, and sprinkled with little fish and black pepper,

785
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:43,080
Speaker 1: and I know not what other ingredients. It all together

786
00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:45,800
Speaker 1: looks like a piece of bread that had been taken

787
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:48,480
Speaker 1: reeking out of the sewer. Do you wanna hear somebody

788
00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:51,759
Speaker 1: else who hated pizza? I only have one more, and

789
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:54,400
Speaker 1: I tried to go finding more and was because I

790
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:55,680
Speaker 1: was like, these are great. I want to be a

791
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:58,160
Speaker 1: lot of these, uh, And I could only find the

792
00:42:58,200 --> 00:42:59,719
Speaker 1: two that were in the book that Holly and I,

793
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 1: independently of one another, reviewed for this podcast Carlo Koladi.

794
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:09,160
Speaker 1: I think is how one size says that who who

795
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:14,120
Speaker 1: was the author of Adventures of Pinocchio? Quote the blackened

796
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:18,480
Speaker 1: aspect of the toasted crust, the whitish sheen of garlic

797
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:22,200
Speaker 1: and anchovie, the greenish yellow tint of the oil, and

798
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:25,319
Speaker 1: fried herbs, and the little bits of red from the

799
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:29,720
Speaker 1: tomato here and there give pizza the appearance of complicated

800
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 1: filth that matches the dirt of the vendor. What a peach, right,

801
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:39,239
Speaker 1: That guy's a jerk. You don't got to be mean

802
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:43,200
Speaker 1: to people. I have fun pizza factoids, tell us, tell us,

803
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:45,359
Speaker 1: so my first and these are kind of like things

804
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:48,040
Speaker 1: that in research caught my eye as delightful or interesting.

805
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:50,799
Speaker 1: Uh so, the first is it? In nine four the

806
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:54,640
Speaker 1: spectacular Sophia Loren, who was born in Rome though she

807
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:57,279
Speaker 1: grew up near Naples. She was really the first one

808
00:43:57,320 --> 00:44:00,239
Speaker 1: that kind of associated sex appeal with pizza when she

809
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:03,400
Speaker 1: started Laura di Napoli. She was a gorgeous pizza maker

810
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:06,280
Speaker 1: who had lost her wedding ring, which sort of today

811
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:08,319
Speaker 1: sounds like a wonderful movie as well. I'm waiting for

812
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:11,040
Speaker 1: the remake in the ninth. The ninet sixties was really

813
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:14,360
Speaker 1: when pizza had become so globally popular that both Japan

814
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 1: and Sweden had make at home pizza kits, But of

815
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:19,399
Speaker 1: course they had very different ingredients in them, things like

816
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:22,200
Speaker 1: ginger and benito flakes, which we would never find in

817
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:25,600
Speaker 1: a pizza kit here. I just found that really interesting. Uh.

818
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:27,360
Speaker 1: This next one is kind of googie. So in the

819
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:30,960
Speaker 1: nineteen nineties is some of you probably know being history buffs. Uh.

820
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:34,600
Speaker 1: North Korea was having a terrible, terrible famine, and that

821
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:36,360
Speaker 1: was when Kim Jong Eel was like, you know what,

822
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:40,000
Speaker 1: I would like pizza. Uh. So he actually, in a

823
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:43,800
Speaker 1: completely culturally to his own people tone deaf move, flew

824
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:46,359
Speaker 1: in a famous pizza maker from Italy just to sit

825
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:49,439
Speaker 1: in the palace and make him pizza. Uh. In two

826
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:51,600
Speaker 1: thousand three, we'll we'll go to fun stuff now. In

827
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:55,960
Speaker 1: two thousand three, the most popular fake name that was

828
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:59,400
Speaker 1: used when placing orders with Dominoes, according to Reuters, it

829
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:03,160
Speaker 1: was Paris Hilton. And then, uh, perhaps this is not

830
00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:05,359
Speaker 1: so much a trivia, a thing to keep your eye

831
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:07,120
Speaker 1: out for and if you're scared of it, you know,

832
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:10,040
Speaker 1: be ready to defend. The next big pizza craze is

833
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:14,279
Speaker 1: allegedly pizza in Cones, which exists already, but apparently it's

834
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:17,400
Speaker 1: ready to boom. It's it's gonna be the next cupcake. Um,

835
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:20,080
Speaker 1: you heard it here first or maybe not first, maybe

836
00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:22,000
Speaker 1: not first. And then I was just going to mention

837
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:24,160
Speaker 1: my favorite or I'll ask you first, do you have

838
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:27,719
Speaker 1: a favorite pop culture reference to pizza? Well, I don't

839
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:29,640
Speaker 1: know if I would say this is my personal favorite,

840
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:31,839
Speaker 1: but it is the one that is on written down

841
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:34,759
Speaker 1: here that is the most tied to Chicago who has

842
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:39,720
Speaker 1: read The Dresden Files. Two Too loves pizza. My favorite

843
00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:42,359
Speaker 1: part is like Harry Dresden brings Too Too pizza two

844
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:45,200
Speaker 1: toots so excited and the Harry Dresden is kind of like, man,

845
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:47,239
Speaker 1: what is your deal? And he's like, haven't you ever

846
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:50,400
Speaker 1: had it? It's also much better when you hear James

847
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:52,640
Speaker 1: Marsters tell that story, which is the best way to

848
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:58,279
Speaker 1: experience The Dresden Files. Mine is always gonna be Panucci's

849
00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:05,200
Speaker 1: pizza on Futurama, always always, uh, including when Fry gets

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Speaker 1: I think anchovies are the bomb, uh, And in fact

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Speaker 1: I love them so much, and my beloved husband who

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Speaker 1: they're pervasive, right, like if you get the Mike says,

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Speaker 1: and one has anchovies, the deal is that I have

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Speaker 1: in the fridge with I have not been really excited

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Speaker 1: about anchovies on pizza, but I have been excited about

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Speaker 1: them in a good Seaser's salad before infidel. I'm sorry.

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Speaker 1: There are occasions when Holly and I'd be eminently disagree

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Speaker 1: with one another. Apparently one of these is that regards anchovies. No,

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Speaker 1: that's better more for me before Zoidberg's species eats them all.

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Speaker 1: I'll be working on it. So that was our live

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Speaker 1: is actually the co inventor of Morse code. He did

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Speaker 1: not do it by himself. He and Alfred Vale worked

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Speaker 1: together on Morse code and other stuff relating to that

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Speaker 1: whole technology. So when we called him the inventor of

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Speaker 1: Morse code, he's really the co inventor. He had help.

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Speaker 1: He gets the spotlight because it's named after him. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's why we often forget poor his poor collaborator. This

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Speaker 1: And because this live show was a little longer, than

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Speaker 1: one of our normal episodes. We are going to leave

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Speaker 1: And I just want to also make sure we think

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Speaker 1: it was definitely a fantastic time. Huge thanks to the

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