Speaker 1: This. He's hanging with the talking Cowboys brains. They block
Speaker 1: it up beautifully, fade right side of the end. Jason
Speaker 1: Witten over the shoulder. That's a goat catch. I think
Speaker 1: that was a one hander, Brad touchdown. Jason Witton the goat.
Speaker 1: Whoa yo yo. That is not just a memory lane anymore.
Speaker 1: That's not a thing of the past, guys, It's a
Speaker 1: thing of the future and of now. Welcome to the
Speaker 1: Emergency Podcast. Lindsay Draper and Nick Eatman Derek Eagleton reacting
Speaker 1: to Jason Witton coming out of retirement. I have to
Speaker 1: admit my first question was as a coach or as
Speaker 1: a player. Guys. You guys were upstairs, I was downstairs.
Speaker 1: What was your reaction? April fools? First thought was what
Speaker 1: month is this? Wait a second, and were getting punked here?
Speaker 1: Like what? And then I really, you know, I was like, Wow,
Speaker 1: I like it. I like the movie. I mean, I
Speaker 1: like it. I mean because and this is a good
Speaker 1: young football team that made the playoffs and is going
Speaker 1: to enter the season with some issues at tight end.
Speaker 1: And you know what, and he and I think that,
Speaker 1: like he said in his statement, you know, he's still
Speaker 1: the fire, still burning there, and you know, he's got
Speaker 1: to get those secrets. They're still in the dirt. Let's
Speaker 1: go get them. So, you know, I didn't think it
Speaker 1: was completely shocking. I mean, I was obviously as everybody
Speaker 1: as you're shocked at the initial news of it. But
Speaker 1: then when I thought about it, I was like, you know,
Speaker 1: and I'll take you back to the playoffs in January.
Speaker 1: I was talking to Taylor one day and we were
Speaker 1: just kind of talking about the team, and one thing
Speaker 1: I mentioned to her was, I wonder right now, And
Speaker 1: this was in January, like first round of playoffs. I said,
Speaker 1: I wonder right now if Jason Witten is having any
Speaker 1: second thoughts is he looking at this team? Because it's
Speaker 1: my personal opinion. I don't know, He's never said this
Speaker 1: to me or anybody I've heard of. My belief is
Speaker 1: that part of the reason that he walked away is
Speaker 1: because he didn't necessarily see that this was a team
Speaker 1: that was right there on the custom of a championship.
Speaker 1: And it made me think, is he rethinking that? Thinking? Man,
Speaker 1: what I've seen from this team over the last eight
Speaker 1: weeks of the season, when they went from three and
Speaker 1: five to where they are now, what I'm seeing is
Speaker 1: that this team is really good. This team has some
Speaker 1: great potential, and I could actually feel a void for them,
Speaker 1: that maybe the void that could push him over the top.
Speaker 1: I wonder if he was having that kind of conversation
Speaker 1: with himself back in January, and so it made me
Speaker 1: when I heard this news. It made me think maybe
Speaker 1: he was having that conversation with himself, and maybe he
Speaker 1: looked at it now like I see this team as
Speaker 1: a rising team. If I jump back in, I can
Speaker 1: feel a void. And by the way, maybe that's enough
Speaker 1: for me to be able to get that at ever
Speaker 1: elusive ring or get get deep in the playoffs. He
Speaker 1: has not been able to do that ironing with that
Speaker 1: if that is true, and I don't know why it
Speaker 1: wouldn't be. Of all that stuff that you just said,
Speaker 1: there's so much ironing because I have sat there with
Speaker 1: Witton on two occasions where he has been really visibly
Speaker 1: upset about situations sort of like that. One of them
Speaker 1: was Cole Beasley who decided to quit raining camp and
Speaker 1: go back home because this wasn't for him. But then
Speaker 1: he came back and after a weekend and he was like,
Speaker 1: you know what I changed in my mind. I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: I had a little relapse there, and Jason Witten wasn't
Speaker 1: about it. He was like, no, I'm not No, you
Speaker 1: can't just quit on us and come back. And so
Speaker 1: he had to apologize to Witten. And there was a
Speaker 1: tight end way back in the day, Scott sicko same thing.
Speaker 1: Didn't think he wanted to play, then he kind of did,
Speaker 1: and Witten play. If you don't think you want to play,
Speaker 1: then you're out. And so it's kind of weird that
Speaker 1: it comes back around like that. If that's what happened,
Speaker 1: there's more to it. I mean, there's obviously more to
Speaker 1: it there. I mean a lot of people have already
Speaker 1: asked me and he hasn't gone around too too quickly,
Speaker 1: and they're like, was he gonna get fired by the ESPN?
Speaker 1: Was did he get And I don't think that's the case,
Speaker 1: because I don't think you decided to go play football
Speaker 1: if your sixteenth year, if you needed a job. He
Speaker 1: didn't need. You know, he still had a job. It's
Speaker 1: not like he took that, you know. I just think
Speaker 1: that he still wanted to play. I think you're it's
Speaker 1: more what you were saying about still wanting to play football.
Speaker 1: Hopefully we are going to hear from our friends up
Speaker 1: at the combine. Ran brought us Rob Phillips, David Hellman.
Speaker 1: They are scrambling now like that. Yeah, they're like they
Speaker 1: are on the hunt right now, looking to see if
Speaker 1: there is a Jones or a Garrett there. But we
Speaker 1: went here from you, guys. Garrett eighty eight eight by
Speaker 1: by two two ninety seven is the number. But the
Speaker 1: phone lines will always be freed up for our pals
Speaker 1: on Dallas Cowboys dot Com. Uh, realistic expectations, guys. I
Speaker 1: want to just get right into it and not even
Speaker 1: beat around the bush because I've I've seen a lot
Speaker 1: of tweets come out and say, well, you know, tight
Speaker 1: ends no longer a priority in the draft, and I personally,
Speaker 1: you know, disagree with that because I think sitting a
Speaker 1: year off thirty seven years old, Um, you gotta be
Speaker 1: realistic with yourself about his contributions. He is one of
Speaker 1: the greatest Cowboys of all time. But we got to
Speaker 1: be real here. I agree with you. I just don't
Speaker 1: think you have to go get a tight end if
Speaker 1: he happens and you're in the third, fourth round and
Speaker 1: you know this guy's rated high. Then, yeah, you look
Speaker 1: at you look at Witten in his age and all that,
Speaker 1: but you do think that you know, Schultz and jar
Speaker 1: two young players that you know their time is coming
Speaker 1: as well. Now we've seen in the past what young
Speaker 1: tight ends behind Whitten don't always work. I think maybe
Speaker 1: things are going to change some there. And another thing
Speaker 1: at his press at his press conference for the Jason
Speaker 1: Witten College Player of the Year, he was long ago,
Speaker 1: eight weeks ago up here asked about he was asked
Speaker 1: about Kellen Moore and he kind of, you know, and
Speaker 1: talked a little bit about how he thinks Kellen's going
Speaker 1: to really help Dak and do things now that Dak
Speaker 1: is really able to do. Kind of made it sound
Speaker 1: like Lenahan wasn't doing that. It just hasn't really high
Speaker 1: praise for Kellen Moore. And maybe that's part of it too.
Speaker 1: Maybe this offense is actually something he thinks is a
Speaker 1: little bit more suited for him. Yeah. I know someone
Speaker 1: that talked him off the record, and he was very
Speaker 1: very he had a lot of praise for Kellen Moore
Speaker 1: and what he thought Kellen Moore could do with this offense. Again,
Speaker 1: maybe that has something to do with this decision that
Speaker 1: And that's not a knock necessarily on Lenahan as much.
Speaker 1: It is just I think he as a belief that
Speaker 1: Kellen Moore has the ability to really take this offense
Speaker 1: to another level and he can see himself maybe in
Speaker 1: that role and that that may be something that excites
Speaker 1: him a little bit. And that coupled with Nick, I
Speaker 1: want to rewind to something you said earlier to pull
Speaker 1: him back. I mean, we could talk a full podcast
Speaker 1: alone on what it's going to take to be in shape,
Speaker 1: to get ready, to get your body right. But what
Speaker 1: you said that this team actually could be a contender
Speaker 1: that could lure him back, coupled with I mean, Jason
Speaker 1: Witton's been around Kellen Moore. This is a couple of
Speaker 1: things we don't know, you know that that he might
Speaker 1: bring to the table. So that kind of makes this
Speaker 1: Kitten don't forget Kitt Kitna have been teammates, like he
Speaker 1: knows these guys. Well, I'm just going to read the
Speaker 1: quote if we didn't already have seen it already, But
Speaker 1: the quote says exactly that, and I'm I'm actually surprised
Speaker 1: a little bit about it that he that he says
Speaker 1: the fire and side of me to compete and play
Speaker 1: this game is just burning too strong. This team has
Speaker 1: a great group of rising young stars, and I want
Speaker 1: to help them make a run at a championship. This
Speaker 1: was completely my decision. I'm very comfortable with it. I'm
Speaker 1: looking forward to getting back in the dirt, but just
Speaker 1: but just admitting that, Yeah, this team has a chance
Speaker 1: to win and I want to be a part of it. Oh,
Speaker 1: I'm glad. I'm glad. You know he went out and
Speaker 1: said that, because that's kind of what you were alluding
Speaker 1: to as well. I don't think it had anything really
Speaker 1: to do with what was going on in Monday night football.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's hard to jump into the booth for
Speaker 1: your first broadcasting gig and be the He had some moments.
Speaker 1: He wasn't polished. He's not Romo. They did him no
Speaker 1: favorite He's not Romo. They did him no favors. I
Speaker 1: think and all of us can probably recognize this because
Speaker 1: we work in media. But it is a difficult thing.
Speaker 1: As we're about to do this in just a moment,
Speaker 1: but it is a difficult thing to do a broadcast
Speaker 1: with someone that you cannot see. Yeah, and for his
Speaker 1: first time in the booth, first time doing media. Really
Speaker 1: they asked him to do a game where one of
Speaker 1: the people that was a part of their threesome was
Speaker 1: actually on the field and they could not see him
Speaker 1: to be able to take nonverbal cues of when you're
Speaker 1: gonna talk, when you want to talk, when you want
Speaker 1: to stop, how you want to enhance something that they're saying,
Speaker 1: or they want to enhance something that you're saying. Like
Speaker 1: they did him no favors trying these things with a
Speaker 1: relatively freshman group of guys working together in that capacity.
Speaker 1: So I don't think ESPN did him any favors. I
Speaker 1: think that is a poor to me, that is a
Speaker 1: poor reflection of what you could expect from when if
Speaker 1: he decides to do that in the future. I think
Speaker 1: that was a learning year, and they put him on
Speaker 1: the big stage and gave him a lot of unexpected things.
Speaker 1: It's a very experimental group right in that kind of environment.
Speaker 1: I just think ultimately, I think if he wants to
Speaker 1: go back into that, I think another network or ESPN
Speaker 1: will do it in a much more control type of
Speaker 1: environment to let him kind of get more used to it,
Speaker 1: rather than just storing him out there. I don't think
Speaker 1: they did. The next headset or earpiece he will put
Speaker 1: in will be as a coach. Anyways, I hear we
Speaker 1: have Brian broad Us on the line from ins BB.
Speaker 1: Just talk to us, man. What do you got, Well,
Speaker 1: we kind of located were the head coaches. Yeah, we
Speaker 1: we actually got to visit Dave and I real quickly
Speaker 1: grabbed Kellen Moore and we're over here at the Marriott
Speaker 1: across the street from the Jaw Marriott, So wherever h
Speaker 1: at the Marriott and we're staking out trying to get
Speaker 1: to Jason Garrett to give us a little idea. This
Speaker 1: was something that obviously just didn't happen today, I don't think, so,
Speaker 1: you know, we had opportunities with kind of visit with people.
Speaker 1: So yeah, we're over here kind of hanging out, waiting
Speaker 1: hopefully we'll get something from a coach Garrett about about
Speaker 1: the situation. But kind of one of those traditional things
Speaker 1: that happens to us at Dallas Cowboys dot Com. We
Speaker 1: were all having lunch when this all went down, So
Speaker 1: how it goes the street continues for us, Brian. The
Speaker 1: other than that, other than maybe you know the salad
Speaker 1: that you were eating got cut into that a little bit.
Speaker 1: But you love this, don't you. You love going to
Speaker 1: steak out and try to find them. Yeah, no, this
Speaker 1: is a lot of fun actually, because you know, we
Speaker 1: I've got all these connections with the teams, as we
Speaker 1: all do. So I was kind of kind of like
Speaker 1: it was like playing the game of Clue. You know,
Speaker 1: I was, I was in the laboratory and I was looking,
Speaker 1: and then I had to go to the ballroom and
Speaker 1: then I had to go you know, I guess I'm
Speaker 1: too old for the game of Clue. But yeah, yeah, yeah, candlestick. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know this is plumb all that stuff, you know,
Speaker 1: Professor Plumb. There are you gonna hit Dave with the candlestick?
Speaker 1: I should, but but no, we're you know, it's yeah,
Speaker 1: we eliminated the stadium, We eliminated the team hotel, we
Speaker 1: eliminated you know, we and finally, like I say, running
Speaker 1: into Kellen Moore, Kellen said, hey, I've got to I've
Speaker 1: got to go meet with coach. So we've we've got
Speaker 1: him cornered up here. But yeah, this is you know,
Speaker 1: this is something that you know, we uh, we're kind
Speaker 1: of all here and you know, we were trying to
Speaker 1: grab Steven Jones. When we've learned Stephen Jones is not here,
Speaker 1: he's back in Dallas, will be back here tonight with
Speaker 1: with Jerry, So again, hopefully we can have the opportunity.
Speaker 1: But yeah, this was one of those things that you know,
Speaker 1: I know that was not being talked about here. Uh.
Speaker 1: You know, even the people that I know at ESPN
Speaker 1: and stuff like that, I think that they were a
Speaker 1: little bit surprised about this all went down. And so, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, we'll see, uh, you know, we'll see if
Speaker 1: we can kind of get to get to the bottom
Speaker 1: of some of these things. But you know, for the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: they like to talk about how now the youngest team,
Speaker 1: the youngest team, the youngest team. Well, you know, they've
Speaker 1: added some age to this team now. And to be
Speaker 1: quite honest with you, I'm really am surprised that they
Speaker 1: didn't make this move. Really, uh what do you think
Speaker 1: it does for the chemistry? And it really and kind
Speaker 1: of expand on that, why why are you kind of
Speaker 1: surprised by that? I'm surprised because you know, it's to me,
Speaker 1: it's you know, well, let's be honest, though, you know,
Speaker 1: we've kind of during the season that was talking about
Speaker 1: him coming back, and Oben Rodgers from one U five
Speaker 1: three was you know, went out on that limb and
Speaker 1: you know, and took a lot of criticism for it.
Speaker 1: And I know everybody we've had contacts with Witten and
Speaker 1: stuff like that, but you know, we kind of heard
Speaker 1: the whispers that maybe things weren't going as well as
Speaker 1: they need to be. And I heard you guys before
Speaker 1: I came on talking about, you know, it was a
Speaker 1: difficult situation, and you know, I totally agree on that,
Speaker 1: you know, and you know, Witten is, you know, one
Speaker 1: of these guys. I felt like though when he hung
Speaker 1: it up, you know, he was going to hang it up.
Speaker 1: I didn't feel like that there was going to be
Speaker 1: any you know going back. You know, and usually players
Speaker 1: know when they need to move on. And you know,
Speaker 1: it's very surprising that, you know that he took the
Speaker 1: year off and then now is coming back. And so
Speaker 1: you know, I think when you look at this draft, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, I feel like that. You know, we pack
Speaker 1: on the Draft show last night, we were talking about, Okay,
Speaker 1: how do you find a way to trade back into
Speaker 1: the first round and grab one of these first round
Speaker 1: tight ends? Would you would you consider trading for one
Speaker 1: of these first round tight ends. So you know, I
Speaker 1: think this team was making plans to to go that direction.
Speaker 1: So again, it's a little surprising to me that they would,
Speaker 1: you know what, they would entertain this. Uh you know, now,
Speaker 1: well they entertained it, I guess earlier or later in
Speaker 1: the year. But now we've full blown got it, you know,
Speaker 1: full circle here, so that you know, that's a it's
Speaker 1: a team that you know, it felt like I's always
Speaker 1: tried to get you know, get younger and and uh,
Speaker 1: you know, add talent that way. Just a little bit
Speaker 1: surprising to me they went this route. Well, Brian, knowing
Speaker 1: that it's a it's a guy that's an aging player.
Speaker 1: Sure do you think that in your opinion, do you
Speaker 1: think it's still the wise and prudent thing for the
Speaker 1: Cowboys to do to still consider tight end as a
Speaker 1: priority during this draft? Well, yeah, I think you know,
Speaker 1: you have to look at it, especially if it's a
Speaker 1: one year deal. But you know, maybe this is the
Speaker 1: bridge that they needed to get, you know, another year
Speaker 1: with Schultz and another year with Jarwin. You know, usually
Speaker 1: you could take veteran players. I mean, we were thinking
Speaker 1: about you know, Sean Lee. With Sean Lee the kind
Speaker 1: of the bridge to get the other guys ready, you know,
Speaker 1: and these young kids just came in and played from
Speaker 1: the word go, and you know, really, Sean Lee is
Speaker 1: there was kind of an afterthought there for a while.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I just feel like though it's I think,
Speaker 1: if it's any other player than Jason Witten, and maybe
Speaker 1: this doesn't work this way, but you know again, I
Speaker 1: I just I thought that they were going to say, okay,
Speaker 1: let's just go with the young tight ends. You know,
Speaker 1: let's draft a young tight end and then you know
Speaker 1: that way you have you know, Jarwin young tight end, Shultz,
Speaker 1: you know, and then kind of go that round because
Speaker 1: this again, this this this draft one of the really
Speaker 1: you know, we could have two three tight ends taken
Speaker 1: in the first round, you know, with the with depending
Speaker 1: on how this thing falls. So uh and then the
Speaker 1: depth of the position is actually pretty good. Now does
Speaker 1: that preclude them from taking Derek the question you ask?
Speaker 1: You know, I would hope not considering this is just
Speaker 1: a one year deal. Okay, you when you're talking about
Speaker 1: the tight ends, and Brian knows this better than anyone,
Speaker 1: you talking about tight ends three projected guys in the
Speaker 1: first round. You know that that's a position that I
Speaker 1: could that sometimes those guys could slide, you know. Uh
Speaker 1: and and you know they're maybe sitting there at maybe
Speaker 1: not fifty nine, but sitting there in the fifties or
Speaker 1: with a chance to trade up and go man, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's where you know, you got the extra compensatory four
Speaker 1: and so okay, how do you take you know, fifty
Speaker 1: eight at four and moved, you know, get up. You know,
Speaker 1: we were talking about can you get into the forties
Speaker 1: to get one of these guys? And you know that's
Speaker 1: probably what you're gonna have to do now. You know,
Speaker 1: I would guys, I would hope that this wouldn't take
Speaker 1: them out of the tight end market. You know, we
Speaker 1: talk about you know it's hard to say, not hard
Speaker 1: to say, but it's difficult to say. You know, would
Speaker 1: Jason Witten be a progress stopper? You know, would he
Speaker 1: be you know, would he prevent you from getting a
Speaker 1: tight end? And you would hope not, You really really
Speaker 1: would hope not. But you know, we need to see
Speaker 1: where Jason Witten's role is going to be with this team.
Speaker 1: You know, he's excited about coming back. You know, Nick,
Speaker 1: you just read the quote, but you know where is okay?
Speaker 1: Is Jason Witton going to play eighty percent of the snaps? Again?
Speaker 1: Is he gonna play seventy five percent of the snaps?
Speaker 1: You know what number of the snaps is he going
Speaker 1: to play? And then you know that's where I think
Speaker 1: you kind of have to look at things and say, Okay,
Speaker 1: is the level of how many snaps are you going
Speaker 1: to play? You know, really really worth it for this team? Brian,
Speaker 1: will you call us back if you track anybody down? Yeah,
Speaker 1: we will. We're hanging out. It's it's so much fun
Speaker 1: just to hang out and look at elevators, you know,
Speaker 1: exciting time. So yeah, but yeah, absolutely, we will check
Speaker 1: back in which you guys appreciate you having me on.
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Speaker 1: you working good today? I'm actually just I'm just out
Speaker 1: of work. Walking across town. I heard the great news.
Speaker 1: I immediately turned to radio on. I knew there would
Speaker 1: be some kind of live broadcast from here. You people,
Speaker 1: you know what I want to know. I mean, I
Speaker 1: don't know right off about why we carry so many
Speaker 1: tight ends. So Jason Witten, which is great news, comes
Speaker 1: back and he is a full time starter. I think
Speaker 1: we've opened up a couple of spots on the roster.
Speaker 1: We don't need that many tight ends. Obviously, keep Schultz,
Speaker 1: you're not looking in the draft. I don't feel you
Speaker 1: need one when's not coming back for one year. And
Speaker 1: I think Witten back to three years, two solid years,
Speaker 1: so that opens up spots on the roster area. Have
Speaker 1: you talked to Witten's body? Um, I think that sounds
Speaker 1: I think you know, I think it sounds sounds great.
Speaker 1: It sounds great. But you know, as as we all know,
Speaker 1: sometimes our bodies don't are exactly you know, a line,
Speaker 1: the line with with what you your mindset is, and
Speaker 1: so I don't I don't know if you have to do.
Speaker 1: You don't have to draft to tight end. But I
Speaker 1: think if if if one, like I said, if one
Speaker 1: falls to you, that's fine. Um, I don't think no,
Speaker 1: no start. I do think he starts I think he starts,
Speaker 1: but you also have two young tight ends that that
Speaker 1: you want to develop as well. So tight end, to me,
Speaker 1: is not a huge need because you have a starter
Speaker 1: and you have two good young backups or solid young backups.
Speaker 1: I don't think Rico's gonna be in the mix anymore
Speaker 1: because I think that experiment is over and I don't
Speaker 1: think Swam returns in free agency. So I agree with you.
Speaker 1: I do think a spot opens up, but mainly a
Speaker 1: spot opens up because because you were holding on to
Speaker 1: Rico as this experiment guy to see what he can do,
Speaker 1: and I just don't think it's gonna work out here.
Speaker 1: I do think he'll sign with another team, yeaheah, Well
Speaker 1: somebody be a full wouldn't to sign that guy. He's good, Well,
Speaker 1: we don't have room on the roster's out problem. He's
Speaker 1: not good for this offense, and I don't know if
Speaker 1: that's a good thing or not. I just don't think
Speaker 1: he's a good fit. He's gonna go. Think about this,
Speaker 1: Antonio Gates would have never survived in Dallas for fifteen
Speaker 1: years if he had to block as much as Witten.
Speaker 1: That's not his style. But there are offenses that will
Speaker 1: have Rico, you know, maybe a Kansas City or somebody
Speaker 1: that has a little bit more wide open style, and
Speaker 1: I bet you he goes there and he does well.
Speaker 1: I just don't think it would have worked here this
Speaker 1: type of offense. Yeah, thanks, you think we get traded
Speaker 1: for a number our first round picks, but we could
Speaker 1: jump back into first round. Bye bye, Scott. It was
Speaker 1: a great chat with you first round. But you know,
Speaker 1: I didn't think that I thought his called his call
Speaker 1: actually did though, dovetailed nicely into something we were talking
Speaker 1: about in the break. When you start talking about what
Speaker 1: Whitten's role is going to be, whether he's a starter
Speaker 1: or whether he's not. One of the points that I
Speaker 1: was making to you guys was I think that for
Speaker 1: for Witten, if you look at how he has been
Speaker 1: as a as a starting tight end for this team
Speaker 1: and how that's what that's meant for other tight ends
Speaker 1: that they've brought in over the years. Typically he's not
Speaker 1: the one that's necessarily bringing those guys along and making
Speaker 1: it better for them to ultimately take his job like
Speaker 1: he is not coming off the field like he is.
Speaker 1: He wants to be on the field every play, and
Speaker 1: I think in this move. I think Witten's going to
Speaker 1: have to come back with a little bit of a
Speaker 1: different role and a different attitude here, because you don't
Speaker 1: want him to come back and be your starter every
Speaker 1: down tight end because if he's doing that, you're not
Speaker 1: developing Schultz, you're not developing Blake Jarwin. I think he
Speaker 1: has to come back more in a player coach kind
Speaker 1: of role, not and I say that really loosely. I'm
Speaker 1: not saying he's a coach, but I'm saying he's gonna
Speaker 1: have to come back. In my opinion, he should come
Speaker 1: back in a role of I'm not only going to
Speaker 1: add something for you at the tight end position, I'm
Speaker 1: also going to be helping bring these young guys along
Speaker 1: because I'm not going to be here long term. I'm
Speaker 1: here for a short period of time. Also in the
Speaker 1: also in the break, Nick brought up, you know, red
Speaker 1: zone troubles were a problem this year. I wonder if
Speaker 1: that was discussed up front. Hey, you you know, maybe
Speaker 1: not gonna start every play and everyone's gonna be behind you,
Speaker 1: but we do how they need here and you can
Speaker 1: feel that. Yeah, And I think that was a big problem.
Speaker 1: I do think that that Witten's absence hurt the team
Speaker 1: in the red zone. I think I was reading a
Speaker 1: tweet that somebody had said, you know, this is this
Speaker 1: is good. But I don't ever remember missing him last year.
Speaker 1: But I think Witten helped in the red zone and
Speaker 1: ways even when he didn't have the ball. You need
Speaker 1: a threat back there. You need a guy that can
Speaker 1: get open, that can find a way to kind of
Speaker 1: you know, post up and box out like a basketball
Speaker 1: player and make a make a catch and and and
Speaker 1: I think just the threat of him um will open
Speaker 1: up some things, or at least it did, you know
Speaker 1: when he was here. He's gonna have to prove that
Speaker 1: he is still a threat, but I think he'll do that.
Speaker 1: And so I think his presence alone can help this
Speaker 1: team in the red zone. And you know, if Frederick
Speaker 1: comes back to be the Frederick that you you know,
Speaker 1: hope that he can be, then then that certainly will
Speaker 1: be a help in the red zone as well. All right, guys,
Speaker 1: we have another caller on the line, Kyle from Philly.
Speaker 1: I believe, am I right? Kyle? Yes? Indeed, how's it
Speaker 1: going great? What are your thoughts? Well, I'm excited to
Speaker 1: have Witting with the mitten's back. Um, I think he'll
Speaker 1: definitely play a good role you know, for you know
Speaker 1: that like how brought us was saying that, you know,
Speaker 1: that good bridge you know for these young young tight ends. Um.
Speaker 1: I still I still would love to get a free
Speaker 1: agent tight end, somebody a little younger, if not, you know,
Speaker 1: if we don't draft one. Um, but I definitely think
Speaker 1: our our premium pick should be like headed towards like
Speaker 1: the D line and defensive end. Um. And yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean I just you know, I mean I am pretty excited.
Speaker 1: You know, it'll definitely help us on you know those
Speaker 1: third down uh situations and stuff like that. But I
Speaker 1: would love to get a younger athletic tight end. Um
Speaker 1: just because it seems like he slowed down a little bit,
Speaker 1: you know, his final year, um, even though he was
Speaker 1: still productive. Uh, you know, but just to have that
Speaker 1: young athletic tight end, you know, that's that's pretty good
Speaker 1: to have. I mean, I know we have you know,
Speaker 1: we got jar Win and you know those guys, but um,
Speaker 1: but yeah, just somebody, you know, just maybe a younger
Speaker 1: veteran as well. You know, I really you know, the
Speaker 1: way I think we should go. But you know, I
Speaker 1: mean I am excited. Awesome, Thanks Kyle. I want to
Speaker 1: ask you guys something. Um gosh, my mind is all
Speaker 1: over the place getting text from Dave Hellman. Dave, call
Speaker 1: us when you have something. Please, I know you're up
Speaker 1: there scouting. Otherwise, stop bothering us, Stop distracting David. Okay.
Speaker 1: My question just reflecting and reading some of these tweets,
Speaker 1: not only about Jason Witton, but about Randy Gregory when
Speaker 1: it comes to the draft. In my opinion, I don't
Speaker 1: think a roster move should change a draft need all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, Oh, Randy's suspended. We should be looking
Speaker 1: at this. Oh, Jason Witton's back, so we don't need
Speaker 1: to worry about this. I mean that this your draft.
Speaker 1: I mean this is a long time. This isn't a
Speaker 1: one year filler type of discussion. So really, how much
Speaker 1: is it going to change? Well, I think that there's
Speaker 1: different ways to look at it. I think it kind
Speaker 1: of does change a little bit. It just changes your
Speaker 1: sense of urgency a little bit. It doesn't necessarily change
Speaker 1: the need because if you've got a guy that can,
Speaker 1: that can you screams off the edge and he can
Speaker 1: get to the quarterback he's needed. It doesn't matter if
Speaker 1: you're sitting there with von Miller and d law I mean,
Speaker 1: I think you would still take him. But uh, and
Speaker 1: those guys typically aren't there at number fifty eight. But
Speaker 1: you never know. I just think that it's the combination
Speaker 1: of Randy or don't know what's happening with him, the
Speaker 1: combination of Taco hasn't done anything. And Dorin's armstrong. You know,
Speaker 1: he's okay for the first year. So yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: who's gonna play there? And I think I think that
Speaker 1: that need it changes a lot because he was a
Speaker 1: young player. Gregory's a young pass rushing defensive end who
Speaker 1: led was second on the team in sacks and pressures
Speaker 1: last year. Now he's not here. But if the Cowboys
Speaker 1: were like, we don't ever have any issues with Gregory,
Speaker 1: he has totally turned the corner. He is fine. If
Speaker 1: they ever had that in their minds and then they
Speaker 1: all needed to be you know, let go right, that's
Speaker 1: my point. They's better not have ever done that. I
Speaker 1: honestly don't think personally, I don't think that anything about
Speaker 1: that announcement should have changed plans for the Cowboys, because
Speaker 1: if the Cowboys had gotten into a false sense of security,
Speaker 1: because again, this is not and this is not about
Speaker 1: as we've heard before, this is not just about as
Speaker 1: dude can't stop smoking weed, like, there are other issues
Speaker 1: at play here, and this, as the Cowboys have described it,
Speaker 1: this is a long term, probably a lifelong battle for him,
Speaker 1: not the battle of weed, but the battle of his
Speaker 1: overall mental health. Right. And so if you don't allow
Speaker 1: for the fact that he's going to have moments where
Speaker 1: maybe things aren't what they should be, like he's gonna
Speaker 1: have moments where maybe he relapse, he's gonna have moments
Speaker 1: where maybe he doesn't do something that he should be
Speaker 1: doing right, because this is a lifelong thing for him,
Speaker 1: then then the Cowboys aren't really living by what they're saying,
Speaker 1: even publicly. Right. So I don't think anything about that
Speaker 1: announcement necessarily says to me that the Cowboys should change
Speaker 1: their plans. If they were going to look for a
Speaker 1: defensive end, then they should continue to look for a
Speaker 1: defensive end. If they felt like we love what we
Speaker 1: saw from Doran's Armstrong, and we love what we saw
Speaker 1: from Taco, and we think Randy's going to be a
Speaker 1: part of that, then I think they continue with that
Speaker 1: same plan, and maybe if they feel like they're gonna
Speaker 1: get to a point where they're gonna need a body,
Speaker 1: then they bring in another body. But I think that
Speaker 1: this doesn't change a lot, at least in my mind,
Speaker 1: it doesn't change a lot about what I was thinking
Speaker 1: about the defensive end position. One more caller, guys, Mike
Speaker 1: in Canada is on the line. Mike, what are your
Speaker 1: thoughts today? Oh man, I'm so happy. Nice to talk
Speaker 1: to you, Lindsay you do a great job on cover four.
Speaker 1: Thank you the season this year. But I think we
Speaker 1: made a step and uh, I think Witten is I'm
Speaker 1: just so glad to have him back. I think he's
Speaker 1: really really going to help us in the red zone.
Speaker 1: Nobody gets opened in the red zone in the end
Speaker 1: zone better than he does. Yeah, I agree with you there,
Speaker 1: and um, you know, I just think it's gonna we're
Speaker 1: gonna have to see what he does as far as
Speaker 1: his development with the younger guys, and you know, he
Speaker 1: knows usn't really coming off the field before I do.
Speaker 1: I just think he's going to have a different mindset.
Speaker 1: I just believe it. You know how it is when
Speaker 1: you're when you're supposed to run the meeting, but then
Speaker 1: you you come in fifteen minutes late. It's just a
Speaker 1: different mindset. You have to be different. I just don't
Speaker 1: think you come in and that's a good point and
Speaker 1: do everything the way the way you were supposed to do.
Speaker 1: I mean this, you left. I I love Witten, but
Speaker 1: he he wanted to do something else. It turns out
Speaker 1: he wasn't ready to leave. But when you come back,
Speaker 1: you know, it's different. And that also goes to the
Speaker 1: leadership part of this. I loved I loved the way
Speaker 1: that Zeke and Dak stepped up in that leadership vacuum
Speaker 1: last year and became the leaders of this offense. I
Speaker 1: think Witt needs to come in and he's got to
Speaker 1: defer to those guys a little bit, which is different
Speaker 1: because when he was here before, they deferred to him.
Speaker 1: I think he needs to defer to them a little
Speaker 1: bit because they are now the leaders, and they are
Speaker 1: the unquestioned leaders of that offense and this team. And I, oh, hey,
Speaker 1: lie still there. Sorry, No, I was just listening to
Speaker 1: your commentary there. But yeah, Nick, I agree with you.
Speaker 1: Coming back a great book. By the way, the Friday
Speaker 1: Saturday and Sunday I read it. Thank you. I appreciate that.
Speaker 1: Thank you. And getting back to Wit, Yeah, he's gonna
Speaker 1: have to take a reduced role. I agree with that.
Speaker 1: I think that it probably to get them the best
Speaker 1: use out of him, use them in the critical situations
Speaker 1: where you need to convert on third down and in
Speaker 1: the red zone, etc. And let the other guys develop.
Speaker 1: Thanks so much, Mike. You know, you know who else
Speaker 1: really stepped up in a leadership role last year? And
Speaker 1: this could have been because of Frederick as well, but
Speaker 1: I thought Zack Martin was a completely different guy, especially
Speaker 1: in the locker room, much more vocal. Wasn't leaning on
Speaker 1: Zach to talk you know, I probably help. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry Frederick to talk to all the time, you know,
Speaker 1: the help that they had different lockers. Now speaking of lockers, um,
Speaker 1: you know they got an issue. Well, you know, it's
Speaker 1: not like this has been We've been here for twenty years.
Speaker 1: I mean it's just relatively new. But but Garrett likes
Speaker 1: to have the leaders in the corners spot to the
Speaker 1: locker room, and Wit and Ill had that spot for
Speaker 1: a couple of years and then Zach Martin replaced them. Um,
Speaker 1: but I think this is the least of their issues
Speaker 1: of figuring out you know what and somebody else was
Speaker 1: thrown around on Twitter. He's gonna wear a different numbers,
Speaker 1: wearing eighty two eighty two, that's the number he's gone.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, I'm sorry they even have to say that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because Michael Jordan's more forty five eighty two. He's gonna
Speaker 1: be eighty two. It's gonna be eighty two, he's gonna
Speaker 1: be It's open. All right, guys, we thank you for
Speaker 1: tuning in. What is the go ahead? I was just
Speaker 1: gonna say real quick, in case people haven't been following Twitter,
Speaker 1: it's on fire right now. Really interesting stuff from DeMarcus
Speaker 1: square Martella spin it as well, like yeah, their tweets count.
Speaker 1: What did Marcus say? DeMarcus, I haven't seen it's actually
Speaker 1: a video, so I haven't seen it all. But people
Speaker 1: are responding like, oh yeah, come on back. My assumption
Speaker 1: is he's like, hey, maybe should we uh should we
Speaker 1: kind of make this a defensive end thing too. That's
Speaker 1: what Martella said, right. Martella is definitely said he let's
Speaker 1: bring the gang back together. But it's fun, it's it's
Speaker 1: part of Twitter. That's the thing I love about the
Speaker 1: kind of moments because everybody gets to chime in on
Speaker 1: you know where that leads to. Because I've seen this
Speaker 1: about one hundred times now. We already got a quarterback.
Speaker 1: We're good, we got we got a quarterback. Okay, we
Speaker 1: got a quarterback. Yes, I agree, don't argue with me.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying we've been arguing about this. We got
Speaker 1: in too, I mean, DeMarcus Lawns and I mean, but
Speaker 1: you can use to say we just used to having
Speaker 1: a conversation about another one that might not be around
Speaker 1: or that's a great ender for me. Today. Draft show
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