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Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to Battled Round.

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Speaker 2: This is a podcast.

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Speaker 1: We're battling friends, talk all things wrestling and laugh with

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Speaker 1: comedians that are way funnier than him. And you never

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Speaker 1: know who's going to stop by. Here is your host Battle.

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Speaker 2: All right, so we're back at another week of the

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Speaker 2: Battleground Podcast. I'm Battle, I am Eli, and each week

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Speaker 2: we sit here and we talk wrestling in the big

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Speaker 2: elephant in the room is what Eli did this past weekend.

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Speaker 2: So let's just jump right into it. Oh, by the way,

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Speaker 2: we do have a guest on the show. He was

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Speaker 2: at Double and I think he goes by the innovator

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Speaker 2: of violence, the King of extreme Tommy Dreamer, will be

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Speaker 2: on the show. And by the way, before we jump

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Speaker 2: into what we're going to talk about social media, let's

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Speaker 2: get that right now. Instagram you can find this Battleground podcast.

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Speaker 2: We are on Twitter Battleground IHR and we also have Facebook,

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Speaker 2: so go follow all those like and subscribe. So anyways,

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Speaker 2: let's do this. Overall thoughts double nothing from Eli who

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Speaker 2: was live in the building.

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Speaker 3: Excuse me, I came back six so that was yes,

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Speaker 3: drawl back of course. Yeah, I mean I think we'll

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Speaker 3: hear some insights from Tommy a little bit later, but

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Speaker 3: you know, production was excellent. I thought the matches were

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Speaker 3: good overall. I think Cody versus Dustin's probably my match

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Speaker 3: of the year so far. Jericho Omega was really solid.

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Speaker 3: Then you had, you know, John Moxley debut, and there's

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Speaker 3: it sounds like it really wasn't on his radar until after,

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Speaker 3: you know, he left. It wasn't even in his you know,

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Speaker 3: it hit something he thought about what's over, So so

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Speaker 3: that was the big surprise. And yeah, it was just

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Speaker 3: pretty solid across the board. So I think it's getting

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Speaker 3: everyone hype going into the TV deal in October, and

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Speaker 3: they've got to They got a show in June, one

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Speaker 3: in July, and then the All Out sequels called all

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Speaker 3: Or the All End sequels called All Out, and that'll

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Speaker 4: So yeah, so pretty pretty cool event.

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Speaker 2: I'm glad I went, you know, and I was sitting

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Speaker 2: there kind of just watching the Instagram story and it

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Speaker 2: looked phenomenal, and of course watching all the videos and

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Speaker 2: the John Mixley promo coming out and you know, hearing

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Speaker 2: was probably the greatest thing in the world.

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Speaker 4: H Yeah, And JR. Later on said that he didn't

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Speaker 2: And that's what That's what Jim Ross said when he

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Speaker 2: He's like, I didn't want to know really, you know,

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Speaker 2: the surprises. I wanted to call it right down the

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Speaker 2: line as if it's happening, and I wanted to call

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Speaker 2: the match with the motion. And you know, I don't

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Speaker 2: think I think he said that even him and the

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that makes sense.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, I mean, you know a lot of people

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Speaker 3: have already said that. I mean, it's it's it's you know,

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Speaker 3: that was better than the w W pay per view.

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Speaker 3: Who's been in months or years, and you know, they

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Speaker 3: it was. It was pretty wild. So but yeah, I'm

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Speaker 2: Man, it's going to be exciting to see what happens

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Speaker 2: with all elite wrestling. But something that's going on in

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Speaker 2: town this weekend Tomorrow night over at the Fairgrounds. It

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Speaker 2: is Farewell to the Fairgrounds with our friends Overdrive and

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Speaker 2: how Harcourt. And if you know, you've heard Frank who

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Speaker 2: runs Overdrive, you've talked about it on previous on a

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Speaker 2: You've got the Rock and Roll Express versus Daniels and Kazaria,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the card is stacked. I'm uh, I'm actually pretty surprised.

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Speaker 3: I mean, everyone's kind of coming all out for the

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Speaker 2: Oh man, it's gonna be super exciting. Of course, me

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Speaker 2: and Eli will be there tomorrow night and we'd love

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Speaker 2: to see you. So if you're coming there, just and

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Speaker 2: it's up on social media. It's a Battleground podcast on Instagram,

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Speaker 2: know went back to my Metro edumacation days right there

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Speaker 2: when I said, uh so, anyways, let's just go ahead

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Speaker 2: and jump right into this, and Eli is going to

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Speaker 2: introduce who is on the show today.

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Speaker 3: Uh yeah, So, as Battle said, I mean, he's he's

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Speaker 3: Uh he was just a dover or nothing this past weekend.

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Speaker 3: So you know, he's kind of to me, he's always

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Speaker 4: You know, he's not a he's not a Rick Flair

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Speaker 3: But for the people that know wrestling and appreciate it

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Speaker 3: from an art standpoint, I mean, he's definitely that kind

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Speaker 3: to have Tommy Dreamer in the studio today.

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Speaker 2: All right, let's get into this Tommy Dreamer in the studio,

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Speaker 2: right mew. I want to really just say meow Okay,

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Speaker 2: let's get ready to rumble. Uh let's just go ahead

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Speaker 2: and say how much of an honor it is that

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Speaker 2: the innovator of extreme Tommy Dreamer is hanging out of

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Speaker 5: How you doing, man, I'm doing great and joining the

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Speaker 5: nice weather here in Nashville and really really pumped for

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Speaker 5: the show on Saturday at the Nashville Fairgrounds.

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Speaker 2: Let's let's kind of jump right into it. Let's talk

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Speaker 2: about what it is. It's Overdriving House of Hardcore Presents.

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Speaker 2: Farewell to the Fairgrounds. How did all this come about?

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Speaker 5: Overdrive is a wrestling company that has run some local shows.

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Speaker 5: I wrestled for The guy's name is Frank, and I

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Speaker 5: And then I heard I always wanted to run the Fairgrounds.

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Speaker 5: I'm an old school wrestling fan. I'm a tape Trader

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they're putting a soccer field and literally taking everything out.

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Speaker 5: So I always wanted to run a show there. I

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Speaker 5: And you know, you talk about history. Bill Dundee will

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Speaker 5: Oh yeah, and he's not going to be there, just

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Speaker 5: for the He stills out there wrestling, which is amazing.

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Speaker 5: He's still in good shape. But the coolest thing for

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Speaker 5: me all Eat Wrestlings SCU Frankie Kazarian and Christopher Daniels.

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Speaker 5: we saw you have the rock and Roll Express on

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Speaker 5: And then Impact Wrestling gave me Moose and Eddie Edwards

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Speaker 2: And it's kind of funny that you were talking about

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Speaker 5: Yeah, man, And it came about WrestleMania weekend, Ricky and

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Speaker 5: Because again, Ricky is sixty something years old. He wrestled

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Speaker 5: Never Die. Yeah, And I love that, and it hurts

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Speaker 5: can't believe they're going to be performing. So stuff like

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Speaker 5: But in wrestling you can have moments like that.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, most definitely. And let's kind of just jump

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Speaker 2: into wrestling, and we want to know a little bit

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Speaker 2: about your background and your professional wrestling career. Had you

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Speaker 5: Yes. The first time I saw it on television, I

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Speaker 5: saw the American Dream Dusty Rhoads wrestle. It was him

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Speaker 5: and Bugsy McGraw versus Ivan call Off and Dick Murdoch. Wow,

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Speaker 5: And I remember being frozen and Dusty Rhodes like floated

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Speaker 5: And I remember as soon as that match ended, I

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Speaker 5: If you I don't know, if you know this. There's

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Speaker 5: let the people down. And he's like, always remember that,

429
00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:01,479
Speaker 5: and like he stood, he held my face and uh,

430
00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:05,359
Speaker 5: I got it and from that moment like and he

431
00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:08,159
Speaker 5: but he also like he made everything special where he

432
00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:11,000
Speaker 5: showed memories like that. The greatest part about me and

433
00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:14,320
Speaker 5: Raven for the fact that I didn't beat a person

434
00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:19,680
Speaker 5: for three years and the people were still behind it

435
00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:22,480
Speaker 5: is one two on our last match, when they knew

436
00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:26,280
Speaker 5: he was going to WCW, they still were going crazy

437
00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:28,520
Speaker 5: for all our false finishes and they were like, is

438
00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:30,400
Speaker 5: Raven still going to beat him? On his way out

439
00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:33,639
Speaker 5: and I actually argued with Paul because I wanted to lose,

440
00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:36,320
Speaker 5: and he's like, you have to win this one. And

441
00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:40,120
Speaker 5: I think the best part about all that would be

442
00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:44,280
Speaker 5: all the characters that came from that. It was Raven,

443
00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:47,320
Speaker 5: it was Stevie Richards, it was Beulah McGillicutty, it was

444
00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:51,040
Speaker 5: the Blue Meanie. It was Nova, which became the BWO.

445
00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:56,160
Speaker 5: It was Brian Lee. It was then offshoot his feud

446
00:22:56,200 --> 00:23:00,480
Speaker 5: with Samman, Samman's son, Sam Man's wife. Come on, Wana

447
00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:04,480
Speaker 5: Leia pit Bulls. There's a whole bunch of people who

448
00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:08,959
Speaker 5: just came from that business, from that whole feud. I

449
00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:11,680
Speaker 5: was honored that WW put it up there in their

450
00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:14,960
Speaker 5: top you know, feuds in the wrestling business, which is

451
00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:17,679
Speaker 5: cool and I think it is and a lot of stuff. Honestly,

452
00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:20,680
Speaker 5: we stole from Jerry Lawler, Bill Dundee, and we also

453
00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:23,879
Speaker 5: stole from Kevin Sullivan, Dusty Rhodes. But Raven at that

454
00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:27,280
Speaker 5: time was on top of his game and I was.

455
00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:27,720
Speaker 4: We were.

456
00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:30,680
Speaker 5: We were Darth Vader versus Luke Skywalker. We really were.

457
00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:35,119
Speaker 2: Man, it's just hearing these stories are amazing. But tomorrow

458
00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:37,320
Speaker 2: night it is going down at the fair Grounds House

459
00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:39,760
Speaker 2: of Hardcore and Overdrive presents Farewell of the Fairgrounds. You

460
00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:42,800
Speaker 2: can get your tickets House of Hardcore dot at Can

461
00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:45,200
Speaker 2: we talk about some ECW's, like what were those final

462
00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:47,960
Speaker 2: days like, like did you know that it wasn't going

463
00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:52,040
Speaker 2: to survive in its most famous state, or were you

464
00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:54,879
Speaker 2: kind of still you know, pushing for it.

465
00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:59,040
Speaker 5: It was, well, it was hard and I think, you know, man,

466
00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:01,840
Speaker 5: I'm older now you kind of reflect, I don't look

467
00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:03,880
Speaker 5: back on the past and the sense of you learn

468
00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:09,080
Speaker 5: from its mistakes. But when we hit then TNN, the

469
00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:13,560
Speaker 5: Nashville Network, we kind of had to peel back a

470
00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:15,879
Speaker 5: little bit of what we did. We had also lost

471
00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:20,000
Speaker 5: so many wrestlers and we were the best part about

472
00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:23,920
Speaker 5: us we could make new stars quickly. But towards the end,

473
00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:28,480
Speaker 5: I mean, the ECW could never existed today for social media.

474
00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:31,600
Speaker 5: You know. Also, none of us knew that Paul was

475
00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:36,159
Speaker 5: in Vince's pocket the entire time. We didn't find that

476
00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:39,040
Speaker 5: out until the end. And Paul still stretches the truth

477
00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:42,520
Speaker 5: about that. But I have one hundred percent confirmation he

478
00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:44,960
Speaker 5: said it. He said it on Bite This. I know

479
00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:47,960
Speaker 5: because I worked in the office. Jim Ross has said

480
00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:50,879
Speaker 5: it on his podcast. Shane McMahon has you know, said it.

481
00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:55,640
Speaker 5: But you had so many The saddest part about ECW

482
00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:57,160
Speaker 5: one and didn't have to go out of business because

483
00:24:57,160 --> 00:24:59,720
Speaker 5: I had raised enough capital, but Paul didn't sell it

484
00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:03,959
Speaker 5: to me. And then two was we were selling out.

485
00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:07,240
Speaker 5: We sold out the Hammerstein Ballroom back to back nights

486
00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:10,120
Speaker 5: with no television. Then our last shows were in Pine

487
00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:14,800
Speaker 5: Bluff and Parp Poplar Bluff, and we had packed houses.

488
00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:17,640
Speaker 5: That's what really really sucked about it because we were

489
00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:21,320
Speaker 5: the fans loved it. We had still such a clamoring

490
00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:23,720
Speaker 5: fan base. Like I said, there are people who were

491
00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:26,359
Speaker 5: not alive ECW one o the business in two thousand

492
00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:29,920
Speaker 5: and one. That's eighteen years. And you know, your average

493
00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:32,639
Speaker 5: fan that comes to the shows, they'll still be chanting ECW. H.

494
00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:33,840
Speaker 5: They'll come up to me and they be like, man,

495
00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:36,520
Speaker 5: they grew up watching you. And I'm like, you look

496
00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:39,159
Speaker 5: about twenty years old. So you were watching ECW when

497
00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:40,959
Speaker 5: you were two. I don't think so, right. But now

498
00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:44,040
Speaker 5: with the networker YouTube, you stay alive forever. But those times,

499
00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:46,280
Speaker 5: those times were tough because we really were a family.

500
00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:51,560
Speaker 5: And when I tell you it was hard, we all.

501
00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:54,360
Speaker 5: It's kind of the wrestling business. You know. As much

502
00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:57,359
Speaker 5: as everyone has loved AW, now you have your naysayers

503
00:25:57,359 --> 00:25:59,160
Speaker 5: of like, oh, it could be just like WCW. They're

504
00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:02,080
Speaker 5: going to spend all this money and so that's just

505
00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:05,119
Speaker 5: kind of the business. And I hope it doesn't happen

506
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:07,960
Speaker 5: for aew. Impact went through that a lot, but you know,

507
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:11,680
Speaker 5: an Impacts still here and they've gone through so many

508
00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:14,880
Speaker 5: different owners. But now they're doing very, very they're doing well.

509
00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:21,960
Speaker 5: They just need a better television slot. So for ECW,

510
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:26,080
Speaker 5: it was what it was. It sucked. But if ECW

511
00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:28,159
Speaker 5: didn't go out of the way, out of the business,

512
00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:30,920
Speaker 5: there would be no House of Hardcore. So I kind

513
00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:33,480
Speaker 5: of look at it like that way because my own yeah,

514
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:38,000
Speaker 5: my own boss, I've had some amazing moments, and you know,

515
00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:40,480
Speaker 5: it's like I said, it's going to be my legacy,

516
00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:44,440
Speaker 5: my lineage. I'm proud of it. But it could never

517
00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:50,480
Speaker 5: have existed in the corporate world in so many different ways.

518
00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:52,159
Speaker 4: Like a perfect lightning in a bottle.

519
00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:56,480
Speaker 5: Absolutely, it was the nineties. I mean honestly, we got

520
00:26:57,240 --> 00:26:59,960
Speaker 5: I remember we had we did the first ever girl

521
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:04,400
Speaker 5: girl kiss. We never showed it on television. We freeze

522
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:07,040
Speaker 5: framed it right before they kissed. We got thrown off

523
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:10,120
Speaker 5: of every single network we had were on, and we

524
00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:14,439
Speaker 5: were told we implied lesbianism. Could you imagine if that

525
00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:18,040
Speaker 5: happened today, we'd actually be the biggest company ever because

526
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:19,960
Speaker 5: everyone would behind us, but we got thrown off the

527
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:22,399
Speaker 5: network for that. We got thrown off the network once

528
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:25,879
Speaker 5: for Sam Man caning Mikey Whipbreck because they said we

529
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:30,520
Speaker 5: caned a young child Mike. He was twenty four years old,

530
00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:33,240
Speaker 5: but he looked like he was sixteen. And we had

531
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:37,560
Speaker 5: networks coming at us saying where are we did pedophilia?

532
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:43,760
Speaker 5: And we're like what. Because a woman was his she

533
00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:46,560
Speaker 5: was like, oh, do it again, and like all these

534
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:49,439
Speaker 5: different We would never get corporate sponsors the music that

535
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:52,800
Speaker 5: everyone talked about. Towards the end, we started getting lawsuits

536
00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:55,600
Speaker 5: from like Sony for Sam Man's music all that stuff,

537
00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:58,560
Speaker 5: because then what happened, Napster happens you think about, right,

538
00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:01,240
Speaker 5: We would never because we didn't have rights to any

539
00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:03,760
Speaker 5: of that. We just Paul, just Paul was always like,

540
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:05,560
Speaker 5: my father's a lawyer, send him the letters.

541
00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:08,040
Speaker 2: And you actually talked about that in your podcast because

542
00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:09,720
Speaker 2: I listened to that the other day about how you

543
00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:12,240
Speaker 2: listen you watched the old videos back and he says

544
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:15,840
Speaker 2: wonky you know funky music now in the days. But

545
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:18,439
Speaker 2: you were talking about in your podcast that Paul was like,

546
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:20,720
Speaker 2: I know, Jimmy Iveen and we got this and we

547
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:21,640
Speaker 2: got that and.

548
00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:24,560
Speaker 5: He did know him, I believe we The only thing

549
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:28,560
Speaker 5: we did have was November to remember November rain. We

550
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:31,400
Speaker 5: just do these famous videos and we but we only

551
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:34,639
Speaker 5: couldn't We couldn't show any of them playing, so you

552
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:37,520
Speaker 5: always saw like the church stuff, but they didn't want

553
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:40,800
Speaker 5: the live footage ever played because that video is weird,

554
00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:43,880
Speaker 5: like it's a story upon a story. So that's why

555
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:47,240
Speaker 5: we always had us in between. If you watch the

556
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:50,480
Speaker 5: video side by side whenever they're playing concert, that's when

557
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:53,960
Speaker 5: we had clips of wrestling and Paul. I mean I've

558
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:57,719
Speaker 5: seen pictures of Paul with Jimmy Iveen, So Paul was

559
00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:00,480
Speaker 5: you know, Paul was a promoter back in the day

560
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:03,960
Speaker 5: at Studio fifty four when Studio fifty four was so Paul.

561
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:07,360
Speaker 5: I mean, Paul has pictures with Lawrence Taylor, Bruce Willis.

562
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:11,480
Speaker 5: You know, Paul was a working son of a bitch

563
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:15,640
Speaker 5: for a long time and he still is working on

564
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:16,960
Speaker 5: brock Lesner's promoter.

565
00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:21,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, well you kind of mentioned that you had, you know,

566
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:26,360
Speaker 3: talking about Vincement. Man, what was it like working because

567
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:29,240
Speaker 3: I mean you I guess that was your main employment

568
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 3: for about ten years and you've done some spots. I

569
00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:32,600
Speaker 3: know you were back with the Dudi Boys a couple

570
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:36,280
Speaker 3: of years ago. I mean, what was the dynamic? Like,

571
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:38,680
Speaker 3: I mean, you could probably talk about this all day,

572
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:41,480
Speaker 3: but I mean, how how was the experience different under

573
00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:43,200
Speaker 3: Vince than it was under Paul.

574
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:45,880
Speaker 5: With Paul, you could, like I said, you can go

575
00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:50,000
Speaker 5: to your boss and give ideas. With Vince, think about

576
00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:52,760
Speaker 5: poor I don't want to say poor Vince, but he

577
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:57,440
Speaker 5: has to deal with everybody, and everybody wants to be champion.

578
00:29:57,480 --> 00:30:00,800
Speaker 5: Everyonebody wants to do that. You'd have to Seriously, there's

579
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:02,719
Speaker 5: I used to hate in the originally c W Can

580
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:05,640
Speaker 5: I have five minutes of your time? Because I really

581
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:09,600
Speaker 5: didn't have five minutes of my time for everybody because

582
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:11,719
Speaker 5: then it would be and it's never ever five minutes.

583
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:17,520
Speaker 5: But it's wrestler's bitch and moaning, complaining. Everyone wants to do.

584
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:17,760
Speaker 1: You know.

585
00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:22,880
Speaker 5: Dean Ambrose said on his podcast with Chris Jericho that

586
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:25,360
Speaker 5: every day he'd have to go in and fight with Vince.

587
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:28,080
Speaker 5: Now think of that. If you're Vince, you that's just

588
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:30,560
Speaker 5: one guy, and then you have you have to pease

589
00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:34,240
Speaker 5: all these different talents. Vince has a creative team. It's

590
00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:38,240
Speaker 5: it's unless you really it's it's a famous saying that

591
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:41,320
Speaker 5: Jim Ross who told me, uh, do you want to

592
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:44,840
Speaker 5: choose what hill you have to die on? And if

593
00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:46,719
Speaker 5: this is going to be your fight, then storm up

594
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:49,360
Speaker 5: that hill. But if not, you know you can't go, well, hey,

595
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:50,640
Speaker 5: why do I have do this this week? Why do

596
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:52,600
Speaker 5: I have do that? Because it will go seriously from

597
00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:56,360
Speaker 5: Roman Reigns all the way down to someone on two

598
00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:59,000
Speaker 5: five Live. And I worked in talent relations because then

599
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:01,600
Speaker 5: John lauren and I would get it. John Lauren Iis,

600
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:05,520
Speaker 5: he was my boss, then Mark Carano is it now Mark?

601
00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:07,800
Speaker 5: John Laurence was the one who's supposed to deal with

602
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:10,800
Speaker 5: the talent, but then I was the one who would

603
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:13,040
Speaker 5: deal with people in developmental system. So it's like this

604
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:15,600
Speaker 5: chain of people like well from developments, So how come

605
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:16,760
Speaker 5: I'm not making it? What do I have to do

606
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 5: to make it? Or even me? I also deal with

607
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:22,400
Speaker 5: extras and hiring those people, and I would see extras

608
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:24,840
Speaker 5: coming to John Laureniis and they'd be like, I'm going

609
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:27,280
Speaker 5: to make you a million dollars and he'd be like, really,

610
00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:31,000
Speaker 5: how And then they would just like because I'm a

611
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:33,360
Speaker 5: good wrestler, Okay, you mean this guy's not a good wrestler,

612
00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:36,080
Speaker 5: and it would stop them dead in their track. It's

613
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:39,200
Speaker 5: funny like Tom Brady said the same thing to Robert Kraft,

614
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:41,680
Speaker 5: I'm going to be here. That worked out for him.

615
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:46,280
Speaker 5: But it's it was just think of every single if

616
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:48,480
Speaker 5: every person went to your boss, or if every person

617
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:50,640
Speaker 5: went to you or you and said, hey, I know

618
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 5: how to make this better or do this stuff, it's

619
00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 5: it would suck your day suck. But the difference is

620
00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 5: if I felt so strongly I could go to Vince.

621
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:02,960
Speaker 5: I don't know if that could be now, or he

622
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:07,520
Speaker 5: could actually get stuff changed, or just like Paul, there

623
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:10,560
Speaker 5: are people go in with meetings and Paul and man,

624
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:13,440
Speaker 5: I'm gonna hold my ground, hold my ground. And then

625
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:16,480
Speaker 5: with some Jedi mind trick that Paul and vincerc Man has,

626
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:20,640
Speaker 5: you actually go in there, you vent it and then

627
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:22,600
Speaker 5: you wind up still doing what they want you to do.

628
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:25,320
Speaker 5: So it's it's a Jedi mind trick. I haven't learned

629
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:27,560
Speaker 5: that part yet. That's why I have for my slogans,

630
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 5: no politics, no bs, just wrestling, because that's what I

631
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 5: love and I just like not one if one person

632
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:36,520
Speaker 5: ever told me I'm not gonna don't want to lose

633
00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:39,760
Speaker 5: to another person. And first you're saying this to Tommy Dreamer,

634
00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:43,320
Speaker 5: who's lost to everybody, and I'd be like, cool man,

635
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:46,200
Speaker 5: thank you, and I'd probably hand him his pay or

636
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:52,400
Speaker 5: tell him you need to find another career because it's stupid.

637
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:53,600
Speaker 5: It's pre determined.

638
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:57,400
Speaker 2: Man. It's crazy just hearing these stories. Tommy Dreamers hanging

639
00:32:57,400 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 2: out with us in the studio right now. House of

640
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:02,360
Speaker 2: Hardcore and over Drive presents Farewell with the Fairgrounds going

641
00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:04,520
Speaker 2: down tomorrow night, which, by way, you still buy your tickets.

642
00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:08,120
Speaker 2: House of Hardcore dot net. This past weekend, AW did

643
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:09,800
Speaker 2: Double Nothing, which you are part of, and I was

644
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:12,080
Speaker 2: very concerned about your legs after all those kicks you took.

645
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:17,360
Speaker 5: She's a savage and Sonny kisses, but then stable gun

646
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:19,600
Speaker 5: to my head in my little Tommy Dreamer area. What

647
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:22,040
Speaker 5: the hell? I got the most abuse in that battle, Royal.

648
00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 2: Let me ask you this, do you think that AW

649
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:28,000
Speaker 2: reminds you of like ECWWCW Now that is kind of

650
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:29,280
Speaker 2: coming up. I know we kind of talked about it

651
00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:30,400
Speaker 2: a little bit, but kind of want to go in

652
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:35,000
Speaker 2: depth in this. What do you think about AW? Now?

653
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:41,840
Speaker 5: AW? Has delivered big time. It delivered on the first one,

654
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:43,960
Speaker 5: but Ring of Honor had their hands in that one.

655
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:50,040
Speaker 5: A lot AW is the cool product right now. And

656
00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:54,680
Speaker 5: it's also because they haven't let their fan base down,

657
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:56,520
Speaker 5: even though they had just one show, but they haven't

658
00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:58,360
Speaker 5: let their fan base down that.

659
00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:01,720
Speaker 3: For the record, Jim Cornett hated it. Really, I'm surprised

660
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:02,920
Speaker 3: of showing.

661
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:09,279
Speaker 5: I'll tell you what Terry Funk told me. And I've

662
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:15,120
Speaker 5: had a conversation with Jim Cornette about wrestling and psychology

663
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:17,680
Speaker 5: and all that stuff. Terry Funk was the one who

664
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:20,520
Speaker 5: told me, you have to change with the times because

665
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:23,279
Speaker 5: if not, the times will pass you by and the

666
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:26,879
Speaker 5: wrestling business will pass people by. And if you want

667
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 5: to still be a part of it, you have to

668
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:31,359
Speaker 5: do certain things. And this is a man who in

669
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:36,279
Speaker 5: his fifties helped carry ECW. His first moon salt wasn't

670
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:39,400
Speaker 5: in the ring, it was to the floor. In his fifties.

671
00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:42,959
Speaker 5: There are some mornings I wake up and I say

672
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:46,840
Speaker 5: to myself, what the hell was Terry Funk feeling? And

673
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:50,600
Speaker 5: he was when we used to say he's middle aged

674
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:52,480
Speaker 5: and crazy, I want to say he started an ECW

675
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 5: in fifty three and hanging with a twenty six year

676
00:34:57,080 --> 00:35:00,960
Speaker 5: old Tommy Dreamer, hanging with a thirty year old Shane

677
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:04,719
Speaker 5: Douglas so and doing things. I remember a lot of

678
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:08,520
Speaker 5: old timers would say to me, Oh, you're gonna beat

679
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:10,560
Speaker 5: a wheelchair by the time you're twenty eight. Kid, For

680
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:13,320
Speaker 5: all these crazy things that you're doing, I'm still here.

681
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:18,239
Speaker 5: So with AW, they're the cool product. Me and Chris

682
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:21,120
Speaker 5: Jarco actually had a conversation about it. He was like, man,

683
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:22,839
Speaker 5: you see how some of those guys look. They look

684
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:26,560
Speaker 5: like pure indie wrestlers, Like, what's up with their gear?

685
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 5: Why aren't guys working out? And I was like, yeah, man,

686
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:34,280
Speaker 5: I get that part. But then there are other people where,

687
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:41,480
Speaker 5: like especially the Orange Cassidy thing. If you didn't how

688
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:44,160
Speaker 5: the hell does anyone know who Orange Cassidy is? But

689
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:47,600
Speaker 5: meanwhile the entire building reacted to that. The kid has

690
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:49,440
Speaker 5: never been on national television. How do you do it?

691
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:54,680
Speaker 5: Through YouTube? Through different stuff? Even this whole AW has

692
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:58,319
Speaker 5: being the elite and all those storylines that's all from

693
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:01,840
Speaker 5: they don't have television yet, and every fourteen thousand people

694
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:06,000
Speaker 5: knew all about every single one of those people. So

695
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:09,320
Speaker 5: how do you like you can't say, oh, it's stupid,

696
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:15,200
Speaker 5: you know why, because we work for a reaction. Jim Cornett,

697
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:18,080
Speaker 5: how they used to start a feud. It was his

698
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:20,200
Speaker 5: birthday and he got his face bashed into a cake.

699
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:23,680
Speaker 5: If you did that today, did that really? And he

700
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 5: sold it like it hurt? Back then? That was awesome.

701
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:29,200
Speaker 5: If you did that now, people were like, what's the

702
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:31,520
Speaker 5: big deal? Or if you think about back in the day,

703
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:35,759
Speaker 5: how did most of Rick Flair's feud start. You'd rip

704
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:41,280
Speaker 5: his suit up and he'd be wearing niece knee holders

705
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:44,719
Speaker 5: like garter belts for your socks and in his underwear

706
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:48,319
Speaker 5: and you'd rip up his suit. Where's the heat in that?

707
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 5: But think of that? So you have to move forward

708
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:56,680
Speaker 5: and if not, the business will pass you by. And

709
00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 5: for a lot of people, if you were there, you

710
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:02,960
Speaker 5: got it. And I always say, just like WW man

711
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:07,719
Speaker 5: WW to me, WrestleMania was awesome. It was eight and

712
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:10,719
Speaker 5: a half hours long and I watched all of it.

713
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:14,359
Speaker 5: I watch it with wrestling fans. When Kofi Kingston won

714
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 5: that title, people from every race were hugging each other.

715
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:22,719
Speaker 5: And yes, the show had a dip after that for

716
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:26,160
Speaker 5: the next two messages and matches and they also told you, hey,

717
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:29,480
Speaker 5: we're going to like almost like this is a restart.

718
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:32,719
Speaker 5: They calmed it down. The fans didn't care really about

719
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 5: Roman reigns and Drew McIntyre's just but that's storyline. No

720
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:39,799
Speaker 5: matter what, wrestling will always be old school. It will

721
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:43,640
Speaker 5: be you have to have people's interest for two people

722
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:47,600
Speaker 5: wrestling each other. I will watch any football game, I

723
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 5: really will, but two last place teams no longer will

724
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:53,759
Speaker 5: be on a Monday night football game because they now

725
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:57,640
Speaker 5: change the schedule. Why because they want to get ratings.

726
00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:01,440
Speaker 5: You can't have what we call dead or cold matches anymore.

727
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:05,479
Speaker 5: It has to be anything has to be either two

728
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:10,560
Speaker 5: top talents or driven with storyline, and storyline will always

729
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:13,840
Speaker 5: get people invested in it. And you know, think of

730
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:15,600
Speaker 5: the storyline of Cody versus Dustin.

731
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 4: That's what I was about to ask.

732
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:20,960
Speaker 5: It was off the charts and in a sport where

733
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:25,240
Speaker 5: you know it's predetermined. I saw grown men and grown

734
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:30,040
Speaker 5: women crying, and that's the emotional investment. And when we

735
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:33,520
Speaker 5: all thought Dustin was going to leave, they were like,

736
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:38,040
Speaker 5: please no, And he's fifty or fifty one and still

737
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:41,520
Speaker 5: gave one hell of a performance. And you know, you

738
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:43,920
Speaker 5: knew they're both sons. They didn't go like, oh I

739
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:46,360
Speaker 5: hate you. They did this. They literally had the least

740
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 5: amount of build up, again without television, and you had

741
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:53,560
Speaker 5: people so emotionally invested they were crying.

742
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:56,319
Speaker 3: I think that's the big thing I was at all

743
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:57,839
Speaker 3: in and then I was just I just got back

744
00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:01,440
Speaker 3: from dover nothing. And you know Cody, you know, he's

745
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:03,880
Speaker 3: probably not the most technical wrestler in the world, you know,

746
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:07,120
Speaker 3: but I mean those last two matches when he won

747
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:11,680
Speaker 3: the NWA title and then against Dustin, I mean, the

748
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:14,799
Speaker 3: Cody Nick Outis was probably my match of the year

749
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:17,640
Speaker 3: last year, just because of his family lineage, and you

750
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:19,320
Speaker 3: know how they hyped it up kind of like a fight.

751
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:21,840
Speaker 3: And again there wasn't a lot of TV. There's probably

752
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:24,839
Speaker 3: more for that match than this one. But then, yeah,

753
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:26,920
Speaker 3: I mean there's people in my aisle just crying when

754
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:27,600
Speaker 3: we were watching it.

755
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:28,239
Speaker 4: It was just like.

756
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:32,000
Speaker 3: Then, that's kind of We talked to Dutch Mantel not

757
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:33,920
Speaker 3: too long ago, and he kind of misses some of

758
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:37,759
Speaker 3: those Memphis elements of the Memphis you know, like you

759
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 3: liked Memphis and Nashville stuff, and that storyline kind of

760
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:43,319
Speaker 3: reminded me of a Memphis you know, short of a

761
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:45,719
Speaker 3: loser leave town kind of tag on it or something.

762
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:47,840
Speaker 4: It was kind of that, you know, their true blood

763
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:51,920
Speaker 4: and the storylines and everything, and it was Yeah.

764
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:54,600
Speaker 5: When I went to the beginning of Tommy Dreamer to

765
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:58,440
Speaker 5: kind of go back, I was people didn't like me

766
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:00,719
Speaker 5: because I was good looking, I had a great body.

767
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:02,719
Speaker 5: Because I was in nineties babyface, I thought I had

768
00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 5: to be something so fans they liked my wrestling, but

769
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:08,080
Speaker 5: they just couldn't get past that because this was Philadelphia

770
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:11,480
Speaker 5: and I lost a loser gets caned match to the

771
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:15,399
Speaker 5: Salman and the first hit, the people cheered, the second hit,

772
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:19,080
Speaker 5: third hit, they could start seeing the welts on my back.

773
00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:21,719
Speaker 5: The fourth hit people who used to I used to

774
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 5: reach my hand out to slap fans hands and they

775
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:29,520
Speaker 5: pulled away. And by the fifth hit, people were because

776
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:31,919
Speaker 5: it was a real cane. It wasn't a gimmicked cane

777
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:34,719
Speaker 5: if you go back, it was a real cane, like

778
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:39,600
Speaker 5: Jesus Christ type of cane. And those same people that

779
00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:43,200
Speaker 5: hated me were Tommy, just stay down, Hey, Tommy, you

780
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:44,799
Speaker 5: don't have to get up, And I was like, I

781
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:47,880
Speaker 5: have to and by the you know you could go

782
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:51,799
Speaker 5: back and watch it. My back gushing blood, I did.

783
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:54,400
Speaker 5: I personally did not want to get up. I remember

784
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:57,160
Speaker 5: like my bottom lip was quivering. It hurt so much,

785
00:40:57,600 --> 00:40:59,959
Speaker 5: and I even had to go for myself, like how

786
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:01,520
Speaker 5: am I going to get up again? And then it

787
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:04,880
Speaker 5: was like you have to and weird thing. And I

788
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 5: tried telling this to people all the time. Did you

789
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 5: guys recently see that video of the little boy trying

790
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:14,280
Speaker 5: to break the wood and his karate coach is holding

791
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:19,279
Speaker 5: that that is wrestling. That kid couldn't do something, and

792
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:21,800
Speaker 5: with the fans getting behind him, his friends, his peers,

793
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:24,680
Speaker 5: everyone was calling his name, he broke that wood. And

794
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:28,319
Speaker 5: every time I got hit, I got up and it

795
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:30,960
Speaker 5: was because of the people and it had nothing to do.

796
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:33,319
Speaker 5: And then adrenaline drives you to do these amazing things.

797
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 5: I always say I wish I could be Tommy Dreamer

798
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:38,759
Speaker 5: all the time, because I'll stub my toe at home

799
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:41,840
Speaker 5: and drop on the floor like, oh my god, I'm

800
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:45,120
Speaker 5: never getting up, and then I'll get I've seen you

801
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:49,240
Speaker 5: on fire, I've seen you get lay in thumbtacks and

802
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:52,040
Speaker 5: then wrestle another thirty minutes like oh yeah, well, that's

803
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:55,160
Speaker 5: Tommy Dreamer. That's not Tom Lochlin, because Tommy Dreamer is

804
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:58,600
Speaker 5: cool Tom Lochlan. Anyone saw Tom Lochlan on an airplane

805
00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:01,640
Speaker 5: flying into Nashville. I wasn't in first class. I look

806
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:05,120
Speaker 5: like it's the evolution of man. I'm bent over, hunched over,

807
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:06,600
Speaker 5: and by the time I get out of the plane,

808
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:10,799
Speaker 5: I'm finally standing erect and I hurt. I hurt a lot. Yeah,

809
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:14,080
Speaker 5: but in the ring, I feel nothing. And I love that.

810
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:16,680
Speaker 3: And the Sandman match, that one, that's the one where

811
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:19,640
Speaker 3: you basically, I think you had to get ten lashes

812
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:22,000
Speaker 3: and then you kept asking for more and something and.

813
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:23,640
Speaker 5: I got fourteen. I was an idiot.

814
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I mean it was a good story, a

815
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:27,680
Speaker 3: good story in the crowd.

816
00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:30,080
Speaker 4: I think that might have been like your big.

817
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:34,200
Speaker 5: That was my like I said, that was my becoming hardcore.

818
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:37,440
Speaker 5: And then me and my feud with Raven kind of

819
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:40,240
Speaker 5: solidified me. And like I said, when when the moment

820
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:44,440
Speaker 5: I piled dry, I pile drove Beulah and climbed over

821
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:46,239
Speaker 5: the guardrail and just sat in the fans and we

822
00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:51,840
Speaker 5: were chairing a bloody face channing ecw ecw was that

823
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:54,480
Speaker 5: was it? For me, and it was just next level.

824
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:55,320
Speaker 1: You know.

825
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:58,920
Speaker 5: Funny too you talk about Paul Hayman and Paul Hayman's

826
00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:03,920
Speaker 5: vision and all different. My first time in ECW, my

827
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:08,280
Speaker 5: very first match, I wrestled Taz, I lost and whatever.

828
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:12,040
Speaker 5: It was just another indie show for Paul. Hayman called me,

829
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:13,920
Speaker 5: asked me to come to the studio. I go to

830
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:17,160
Speaker 5: the studio. He shows me my match. Four people stood

831
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:19,719
Speaker 5: up and gave me a standing ovation, and he goes,

832
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:21,799
Speaker 5: you see that I could do something with you. We

833
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:24,680
Speaker 5: only had about thirty people there by the way, and

834
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:29,160
Speaker 5: four people gave me a standing ovation. So the television

835
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:32,239
Speaker 5: show Joey Styles, everybody who was a bad guy won.

836
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:37,640
Speaker 5: Joey Styles is wrapping up the show and he goes, wait, wait,

837
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:39,799
Speaker 5: let's go back to live action. And you see me

838
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:42,759
Speaker 5: getting out of the ring and those four people give

839
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:46,120
Speaker 5: me a standing ovation, and he goes, wait a minute.

840
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:51,600
Speaker 5: This blood thirsty crowd, this Philadelphia crowd that thrown snowballs

841
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:56,200
Speaker 5: at Santa Claus, they're giving this pretty boy, Tommy Dreamer

842
00:43:56,520 --> 00:44:00,760
Speaker 5: a standing ovation. Maybe there's hope for ECW. After all,

843
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:05,719
Speaker 5: this was in nineteen ninety three and that ringing endorsement started,

844
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:08,440
Speaker 5: and they went off the air on this kid who

845
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:11,399
Speaker 5: just lost, who made his debut, and it was like, whoa,

846
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:13,919
Speaker 5: maybe we could do something with this guy. And those

847
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:17,920
Speaker 5: are things wrestling now makes you want to They purposely

848
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:20,640
Speaker 5: want you to forget. They want you to forget that

849
00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:23,480
Speaker 5: this guy has had like three or four title shots already,

850
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:28,520
Speaker 5: because it's a whole new week what wrestling from Memphis

851
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:35,480
Speaker 5: from ECW, we always made you remember. I'm not going

852
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:36,920
Speaker 5: to go out there and say the rock and Roll

853
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:40,040
Speaker 5: they're the greatest tag team in the history of the business.

854
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:42,960
Speaker 5: And these two young guys, know I would say the

855
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:45,839
Speaker 5: Rock and Roll Express still have something to prove they

856
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:48,520
Speaker 5: carry this business. Here's these other two guys who feel

857
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:51,359
Speaker 5: that they're the new wrestlers on the block and they

858
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:54,040
Speaker 5: have to get past these guys in order to carry

859
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:57,839
Speaker 5: the torch. To me, that's a build up. I don't

860
00:44:57,840 --> 00:44:59,959
Speaker 5: have to say much about that. Yeah, you know.

861
00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:05,320
Speaker 2: So, man, I'm literally getting goosebumps just hearing that story

862
00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:08,839
Speaker 2: and I'm picturing it right now. Oh, that's that's why

863
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:10,759
Speaker 2: me and Eli do this thing right here, we talk

864
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:14,280
Speaker 2: wrestling when gul Oh, it's the best thing in the world.

865
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:17,759
Speaker 2: So let me ask you this, what wrestler, uh do

866
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:20,200
Speaker 2: you think today is not getting used to their fullest

867
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:23,000
Speaker 2: that they have that it factor but others aren't seeing

868
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:24,880
Speaker 2: it because there's tons of wrestlers out there that we

869
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:27,240
Speaker 2: can name off. But I want to get Tommy Dreamer's opinion.

870
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:32,560
Speaker 5: That's a very very good question. Number one hardcore country herself.

871
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:35,920
Speaker 5: Mickey James. Yes, Mickey James has gotten lost in the shuffle.

872
00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:39,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, it sucks. Everyone was really excited when she came back.

873
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:40,399
Speaker 5: To and they did nothing with her.

874
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:42,400
Speaker 2: It was like this big, huge ordeal they brought her

875
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:44,600
Speaker 2: back and then it's like there's going to be a

876
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:46,080
Speaker 2: workpiece with Alexibilis.

877
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:50,120
Speaker 5: When people ask me about great baby faces, I will

878
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:55,120
Speaker 5: say Ricky Morton, Ricky Steamboat, Brad Armstrong, and Mickey James.

879
00:45:55,280 --> 00:46:00,200
Speaker 5: Mickey James is amazing. She is a prototype of what

880
00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:02,680
Speaker 5: a babyface should be. The way she moves, the way

881
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:04,560
Speaker 5: she sells. She's always on the top of her tip

882
00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:08,120
Speaker 5: of her toes, always moving forward as a heel. She

883
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:10,960
Speaker 5: backs off, she does little things like that, but she

884
00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:13,879
Speaker 5: would be one because I also think, especially with this

885
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:19,120
Speaker 5: whole Woman's Revolution movement, she's a mother. She's in her thirties,

886
00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:22,239
Speaker 5: she's gotten herself in amazing shape. I think that's a

887
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:26,239
Speaker 5: storyline waiting to happen, so she would be one. There's

888
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:31,799
Speaker 5: I mean, Cizarrow Seamus. I love them as the bar

889
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:36,680
Speaker 5: and it's hard to say that Seamus, who's held every title,

890
00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:41,200
Speaker 5: is underutilized, but he's not on TV. I don't know

891
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:43,279
Speaker 5: if he's hurt or whatever. Cizarrow is another guy who

892
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:46,200
Speaker 5: never could, for some reason, break it to the next level.

893
00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:48,920
Speaker 5: I mean, Vince said people don't understand him because of

894
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:52,920
Speaker 5: his accent, but I understand him. I think Ricochet will

895
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:55,319
Speaker 5: be I don't know if Rickoshet could ever be the

896
00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:58,680
Speaker 5: heavyweight champion there, but I think Rickoschet is an amazing performer.

897
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:01,640
Speaker 5: I've had him on so many of my house hardcore shows.

898
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 5: There's Sammy Callahan is an amazing performer and he goes

899
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:12,600
Speaker 5: out there and kills it every night. Probably one of

900
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:16,560
Speaker 5: the most underutilized guys in Impact Wrestling's Eddie Edwards. I

901
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:20,439
Speaker 5: have yet to see him have a bad match. And

902
00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:24,319
Speaker 5: I've been part of Impact since two thousand and nine

903
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:27,280
Speaker 5: and I've never seen Eddie Edwards have a bad match.

904
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:29,480
Speaker 2: Now, I mean we watched that street fight that him

905
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:31,680
Speaker 2: and Moose had at you know, Homecoming, and that was

906
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:32,640
Speaker 2: just phenomenal.

907
00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:37,399
Speaker 5: Yep, they're wrestling Saturday. I look forward to that.

908
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:39,080
Speaker 2: A great match right there.

909
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:43,960
Speaker 5: Trying to think also, there's there's a lot of talents

910
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:48,239
Speaker 5: who good or bad, are not being used. I mean,

911
00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:51,439
Speaker 5: even if you think about it, WrestleMania was fifty something

912
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:55,600
Speaker 5: days ago, and Becky two belts doesn't exist anymore. I

913
00:47:55,640 --> 00:48:00,080
Speaker 5: have no clue why she doesn't have two belts, and

914
00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:05,239
Speaker 5: I can't you can't say, oh, she's underutilized, but her

915
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:10,760
Speaker 5: her rise to the title got really really muddy. Kofe's

916
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:12,520
Speaker 5: was perfect, but hers was not.

917
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:15,360
Speaker 3: It's so funny that you have two matches like that

918
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:20,799
Speaker 3: on the same card and just see how like you

919
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:23,600
Speaker 3: just said, how muddy one was and how crystal clear

920
00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:26,239
Speaker 3: the other one was. And you know, it's kind of

921
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:27,759
Speaker 3: like a lot of the gimmicks that they just get

922
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:31,120
Speaker 3: handed to them, you know, and same thing. The KOFE

923
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:33,560
Speaker 3: gimmick got handed to him and they just home run.

924
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:36,799
Speaker 3: But with Becky it was, you know, she they brought

925
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:39,640
Speaker 3: Charlotte in and then she's there, She's getting arrested every

926
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:42,759
Speaker 3: week and It's just it was just you could have

927
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:44,600
Speaker 3: just went straight to the finish line, but they did

928
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:46,600
Speaker 3: all this and yes, yeah, and.

929
00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:49,440
Speaker 5: It confused me, and I'm a wrestler. Yeah, So how

930
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 5: does it confuse you if you're a wrestling fan?

931
00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:51,440
Speaker 4: Right?

932
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:55,279
Speaker 5: So it still worked. I'll tell you when you make

933
00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:58,759
Speaker 5: a comparison comparison about a e W. Nobody is a

934
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:03,200
Speaker 5: competitor right now against they are. To me, WW is

935
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:06,200
Speaker 5: ninety nine percent of the market share. I love all sports.

936
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:07,960
Speaker 5: Guess how many football teams are I guess how many

937
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:10,960
Speaker 5: baseball teams are? They all they all are still playing

938
00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:15,920
Speaker 5: the same sport. Wrestling will always be wrestling. There is

939
00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:22,120
Speaker 5: other teams out there. AEW is the closest to maybe

940
00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:26,520
Speaker 5: getting eyes moved to a different channel, but it will

941
00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:30,839
Speaker 5: still be professional wrestling. They were still watch it. Here's

942
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:33,600
Speaker 5: the big difference in the last four years, because I've

943
00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:37,440
Speaker 5: watched them all. The main event of WrestleMania. The people

944
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:40,799
Speaker 5: were leaving up until this year. The people left during

945
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:42,960
Speaker 5: every main event you would see because again now it's

946
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:46,160
Speaker 5: a different world social media. Flocks of people two years

947
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:51,440
Speaker 5: ago leaving for the main event. Aw, the fans stayed

948
00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:55,200
Speaker 5: till the end. Then they stayed for Chris Jericho's promo,

949
00:49:55,719 --> 00:49:59,520
Speaker 5: then they stayed for John Moxley, then they stayed. So

950
00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:02,600
Speaker 5: it's like they stayed for the aftermath, after the aftermath,

951
00:50:02,680 --> 00:50:05,200
Speaker 5: after the aftermath. Then it was almost to the point

952
00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:07,200
Speaker 5: where they had to get on the microphone say the

953
00:50:07,239 --> 00:50:10,799
Speaker 5: show's over, guys, please go home. I've done that as well,

954
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:13,880
Speaker 5: and my show's at House of Hardcore, where I literally

955
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:15,319
Speaker 5: got on the mic and said, guys, I have nothing

956
00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:19,520
Speaker 5: else to give you. Aw did that when I tell

957
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:21,759
Speaker 5: you they haven't disappointed their fan base, and hopefully they don't.

958
00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:23,560
Speaker 5: But you know what, there's gonna come a time when

959
00:50:23,600 --> 00:50:27,279
Speaker 5: they're gonna have to leave with heat where something's gonna

960
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:29,279
Speaker 5: happen and they're just gonna go for and people like, oh,

961
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:32,040
Speaker 5: that's it, and then you'll have all the naysaries like, oh,

962
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:34,520
Speaker 5: how they dare they end the show like that. That's

963
00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:37,720
Speaker 5: when you're writing episodic television, you have to do that stuff.

964
00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:41,120
Speaker 5: If you go back to friends, Ross and Rachel, they

965
00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:44,239
Speaker 5: built that up until they finally kissed, as opposed to

966
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:46,400
Speaker 5: you know, you want to see them kids, they're going

967
00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:48,480
Speaker 5: to kiss that. Oh wait, you know why? Because we

968
00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:51,759
Speaker 5: have eight more episodes to go. We can't just you know,

969
00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:54,640
Speaker 5: make that happen, or you know, you watch The Walking Day,

970
00:50:54,719 --> 00:50:58,240
Speaker 5: any television show that's phenomenal up in like Game of Thrones.

971
00:50:58,320 --> 00:51:01,000
Speaker 5: Game of Thrones had the world the buzz. Now it

972
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:03,560
Speaker 5: has the world of buzz on a negative way because

973
00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:05,919
Speaker 5: everyone hated. I didn't see the finale, so I can't

974
00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:08,760
Speaker 5: give away any spoilers, but like all the little mistakes

975
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:12,919
Speaker 5: they made, it was marred with negative as opposed to Wow,

976
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:17,560
Speaker 5: that was a great finale, So that hurts. If it

977
00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:20,680
Speaker 5: would have continued, maybe it wouldn't, but I think they

978
00:51:20,719 --> 00:51:23,719
Speaker 5: went out on the right and I hope All Eat

979
00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:25,719
Speaker 5: Wrestling continues for a long long time. And I hate

980
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:30,319
Speaker 5: when people compare it to WCW because WCW lost so

981
00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:36,359
Speaker 5: much money and it was a broken, broken system, And

982
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:39,640
Speaker 5: you can't have a broken system in anything because eventually

983
00:51:39,719 --> 00:51:41,680
Speaker 5: someone's going to come along and say, why am I

984
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:46,239
Speaker 5: losing all this money? And I don't know, nobody likes

985
00:51:46,239 --> 00:51:48,280
Speaker 5: to lose money. That's not business.

986
00:51:48,680 --> 00:51:52,120
Speaker 3: Do you think the WW has too much content today?

987
00:51:53,239 --> 00:51:55,279
Speaker 3: Do you think that hurts? You know, like an eight

988
00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:57,760
Speaker 3: hour WrestleMania Because I went last year to New Orleans

989
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:01,280
Speaker 3: and it felt like I was there like twelve hours.

990
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:03,600
Speaker 3: I mean, it was just massive. And that's kind of

991
00:52:03,640 --> 00:52:05,440
Speaker 3: what I'm excited about with a debut. Like if they

992
00:52:05,520 --> 00:52:08,120
Speaker 3: just do the one show on Tuesday and then maybe

993
00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:10,960
Speaker 3: four pay per views a year, that's very manageable.

994
00:52:11,080 --> 00:52:15,960
Speaker 5: You know, Yes, oversaturation of talent is yes. You think

995
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:20,680
Speaker 5: about we could talk about greatness. Daniel Brian's greatness from

996
00:52:20,719 --> 00:52:23,399
Speaker 5: WrestleMania to WrestleMania. He went from the biggest baby face

997
00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:25,239
Speaker 5: to Oh my god, Daniel Brian's back in the ring.

998
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:28,200
Speaker 5: He's recovered from his concussions. He's back to the one

999
00:52:28,239 --> 00:52:31,839
Speaker 5: of the best heels. That's in one year. Think about that.

1000
00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:35,000
Speaker 5: That's one year time of Daniel Brown. We love you

1001
00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:37,560
Speaker 5: to hate you. Not a lot of wrestlers can pull

1002
00:52:37,640 --> 00:52:43,520
Speaker 5: that off. You could also say, wow, this person like

1003
00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:48,319
Speaker 5: Matt and Jeff Hardy, they debuted WrestleMania to WrestleMania. They

1004
00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:52,640
Speaker 5: weren't even part of WrestleMania, and it's like why, It's

1005
00:52:52,640 --> 00:52:54,880
Speaker 5: like okay, well, and they had to go through different

1006
00:52:54,880 --> 00:53:00,600
Speaker 5: partners switch then somebody got hurt and that was just

1007
00:53:00,640 --> 00:53:03,799
Speaker 5: in a year. Oh wait, now we got to get

1008
00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:07,160
Speaker 5: the retroact of the Hardy Boys again. People love it

1009
00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:10,960
Speaker 5: and then Jeff gets hurt. But that was in a year. People,

1010
00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:16,520
Speaker 5: normally it should be a lot a lot longer. But yes,

1011
00:53:16,560 --> 00:53:21,120
Speaker 5: because you say it's oversaturation. But when you have you

1012
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:22,799
Speaker 5: have the network and you have to just keep on

1013
00:53:23,640 --> 00:53:26,920
Speaker 5: producing content. That would be like saying Netflix, is Netflix

1014
00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:30,880
Speaker 5: too much? No, it's not. We want to have that

1015
00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:36,520
Speaker 5: choice because if not, Amazon Prime is gonna people are

1016
00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:39,400
Speaker 5: gonna go, I gotta watch that because they have I

1017
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:41,960
Speaker 5: don't know they have Seinfeld on that and Netflix doesn't

1018
00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:45,400
Speaker 5: have Seinfeld Man. Just hearing it's a business.

1019
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:49,120
Speaker 2: Hearing all this information that Tommy Dreamer is dropping on

1020
00:53:49,200 --> 00:53:50,920
Speaker 2: us right now makes me like want to run through

1021
00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:52,440
Speaker 2: a brick wall, makes me not feel like I have

1022
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:54,600
Speaker 2: to go to church on Sunday. I mean, it's the

1023
00:53:54,640 --> 00:53:58,320
Speaker 2: greatest thing in the world. Tommy Dreamer is in town today.

1024
00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:01,840
Speaker 2: He's in town this weekend Overdrive Wrestling and House of

1025
00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:04,440
Speaker 2: Hardcore presents Farewell to the Fairground. Still get your tickets

1026
00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:07,719
Speaker 2: House Offharcore dot net. Man, it's such an honor to

1027
00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:09,560
Speaker 2: have you in here. Thank you for having me, Thanks

1028
00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:10,640
Speaker 2: for taking the time out.

1029
00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:13,160
Speaker 5: And if I could just plug my social media.

1030
00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:15,560
Speaker 2: Yes, that was my next question. I was gonna ask.

1031
00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:20,960
Speaker 5: Cool the Tommy Dreamer across the board Facebook, Instagram and Twitter.

1032
00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:25,279
Speaker 5: I try to answer fans questions and Househardcore dot Net

1033
00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:28,520
Speaker 5: usually just has all the information for the shows. And

1034
00:54:28,560 --> 00:54:32,120
Speaker 5: I have a podcast that's doing very very well and

1035
00:54:32,160 --> 00:54:35,400
Speaker 5: that's the Hardcore Pod on Twitter. But all my information

1036
00:54:35,560 --> 00:54:39,279
Speaker 5: is really on my Twitter account, So just keep on.

1037
00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:42,160
Speaker 5: I guess we have to keep on clicking, liking.

1038
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:44,080
Speaker 2: Subscribing, hitting all the kind of buttons you got.

1039
00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:45,680
Speaker 5: How we have to judge each other and we can't

1040
00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:47,520
Speaker 5: just say hey, good match, Hey I like you as

1041
00:54:47,560 --> 00:54:48,759
Speaker 5: a human being, Get a.

1042
00:54:48,760 --> 00:54:50,960
Speaker 2: Click this stuff, which, by the way, really do love

1043
00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:52,640
Speaker 2: the podcast. I was explaining to him. I was listening

1044
00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:55,239
Speaker 2: the other day talking about bals Mahoney was supposed to

1045
00:54:55,280 --> 00:54:58,120
Speaker 2: be a homosexual biker was his character. And he was

1046
00:54:58,160 --> 00:55:01,000
Speaker 2: completely shocked about that because I was like, and that

1047
00:55:01,080 --> 00:55:01,400
Speaker 2: was you.

1048
00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:03,120
Speaker 5: Could watch it, go back and watch it on the network,

1049
00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:09,000
Speaker 5: crazy stuffy and poor Crowbar Devin storms and stuck out

1050
00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:12,000
Speaker 5: his tongue. It was like la la la, And if

1051
00:55:12,040 --> 00:55:16,400
Speaker 5: you could see the groans of the fans in ECW

1052
00:55:16,680 --> 00:55:22,000
Speaker 5: and he was wearing assless biker chaps. He was supposed

1053
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:23,880
Speaker 5: to be a bear, that's really what he was.

1054
00:55:24,320 --> 00:55:24,560
Speaker 1: Wow.

1055
00:55:24,840 --> 00:55:27,440
Speaker 2: There you go. Make sure you get Tommy Dreamers podcast.

1056
00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:29,719
Speaker 2: And thank you, oh man, thank you so much for

1057
00:55:29,719 --> 00:55:30,680
Speaker 2: taking time out today with us.

1058
00:55:30,719 --> 00:55:33,320
Speaker 5: Thanks for having you. Guys.

1059
00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:38,400
Speaker 2: If you would have told a thirteen year old battle

1060
00:55:38,520 --> 00:55:40,879
Speaker 2: that you would be sitting in the same room with

1061
00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:44,680
Speaker 2: Tommy Dreamer, I would say that you're pretty stupid. Yeah,

1062
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:48,680
Speaker 2: I mean, just hearing those stories from Tommy Dreamer just

1063
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Speaker 2: now mind blowing and goosebumps the entire time.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it was.

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Speaker 3: I was one of those I followed along when they

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Speaker 3: were on TNN Slash Spike I'm on Friday nights and

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Speaker 3: I probably still have some of the tapes from just

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Speaker 3: taping the episodes. And it was just one of those

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Speaker 3: you know, like every week you saw something new and different,

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Speaker 3: you know, and this was even I mean this was

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Speaker 3: in the Attitude era, so you were already seeing groundbreaking

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Speaker 3: stuff in WWE. But yeah, he was a wealth of knowledge.

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Speaker 3: We mentioned it early on an interview. We could have

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Speaker 3: asked him two hundred questions.

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Speaker 2: But we would have been here all day. It's probably

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Speaker 2: been the longest episode we'd ever have if we'd have

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Speaker 2: just kept going off the questions that we have on

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Speaker 2: the sheet. I mean, it's crazy, but something else it's

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Speaker 2: crazy that is way more exciting than the twenty four

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Speaker 2: to seven title that WWE rolls out. The Battleground Podcast

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Speaker 2: now has.

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Speaker 4: World title.

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Speaker 2: There it is, and we didn't have to have Mike

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Speaker 2: Foley in some weird ass long drawn out promotional that

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Speaker 2: some well we did do this Something's coming thing, but

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Speaker 2: our rollout was ten times better than that got awful

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Speaker 2: know Arcade tucking on a green strap. Yeah, so if

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Speaker 2: you would like to check out the new world title

1089
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Speaker 2: that the Battleground Podcast has, you can check it out.

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Speaker 2: It's gonna be up on all of our social medias. Also,

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Speaker 2: we're gonna do something really cool starting for all you

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Speaker 2: guys out there and girls and everybody that downloads the podcast.

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Speaker 2: So every time we have a guest come in, we

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Speaker 2: have them signed something and so we're gonna start giving

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Speaker 2: away stuff on the show. Yeah. So all you gotta

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Speaker 2: do is just make sure you tag us when you're

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Speaker 2: listening to the podcast, tell all your friends to subscribe,

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Speaker 2: give us five stars, give us a nice little review,

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Speaker 2: and you'll be entered into the drawing to win an

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Speaker 2: autographed thing from Tommy Dreamer and every other guest that

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Speaker 2: we have this month, and we'll do this every month,

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Speaker 2: so yeah, hit that subscribe button.

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Speaker 4: Like it.

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Speaker 2: Five stars. We're on every single podcast platform you could

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Speaker 2: probably think of. I'm probably gonna miss something and I'll

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Speaker 2: just apply for it later this week. Yeah, that's the plan.

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Speaker 5: All right.

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Speaker 2: We'll see you guys tomorrow night at the Overdrive and

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Speaker 2: House of Hardcore if you're one of the Fred Browns shows.

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Speaker 2: So uh yeah, that's it. Later, do you want to

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Speaker 2: say bye later