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Speaker 1: for Shades of the Afterlife with Sandra Schamplain. Welcome to

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Speaker 1: matter for yourself. Hi. I'm Sandra Champlain. For almost twenty

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Speaker 1: five years, I've been on a journey to prove the

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Speaker 1: existence of life after death. On each episode, will discuss

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Speaker 1: the reasons we now know that our loved ones have

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Speaker 1: survived physical death and so will we. Welcome to Shades

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Speaker 1: of the Afterlife. Over two years ago, I was delighted

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Speaker 1: to be asked to host Shades of the Afterlife. The

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Speaker 1: work I do on my other podcast, which is called

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Speaker 1: We Don't Die Radio. Now going on close to four

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Speaker 1: hundred episodes. I still keep that show going. There longer

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Speaker 1: episodes typically where I just interview one person, whereas this show,

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Speaker 1: you know you hear more from me. You may hear

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Speaker 1: on various different topics. I do have listeners that listen

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Speaker 1: to both shows, and there is great content on both shows.

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Speaker 1: Why I bring this up today is every so often

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Speaker 1: also listen to We Don't Die Radio, you might have

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Speaker 1: is ridiculously awful. Our guest today is someone whose son

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Speaker 1: Incredible stories of hope and unconditional love from our loved

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Speaker 1: ones in heaven. And if this episode can save just

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Speaker 1: Carol Cooper. Thank you so much. I'm very excited to

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Speaker 1: been through. But I know, you know, sometimes it's our

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Speaker 1: you know. So with that, why don't you let us

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Speaker 1: My name is Carol Cooper. I'm originally from Chatham, New Jersey.

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Speaker 1: I'm moved up to Pennsylvania recently, um where it's very quiet. Um.

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Speaker 1: was doing a tricky trade for my foundation. I had

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Speaker 1: this set. It was like a picnic set that had

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Speaker 1: you know, works and knives in it. And my girlfriend said,

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Speaker 1: take the plastic off. It looks like it's spotted and

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Speaker 1: it's brand new. So I started pulling the plastics off

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Speaker 1: the knives and she goes, wait a minute, look at

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Speaker 1: the last night. You forgot one. So I said, oh,

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00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:16,359
Speaker 1: I forgot that one. So I went to pull it out,

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00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:19,359
Speaker 1: and sure enough, in the plastic wedged up to the

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Speaker 1: top was a dime. And this was a brand new

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Speaker 1: set and it was stuck up there. I couldn't even

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Speaker 1: get it out. I said, oh my god, Brian, really,

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's you know, and then he started leaving

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Speaker 1: dimes in different plays. So we always played at the

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Speaker 1: casino together. That was our big thing in life. We

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Speaker 1: played the slot machines. We loved doing that. And I

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00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:43,280
Speaker 1: went to the casino for the first time. It was

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Speaker 1: so hard to walk in, but there was our machine,

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Speaker 1: the Wheel of Fortune. I said, Brian, I'm gonna do

447
00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:50,320
Speaker 1: this for you. It's so hard, but I'm going there.

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00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:54,040
Speaker 1: There was two machines. They weren't being played. The casino

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00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:57,399
Speaker 1: was packed, but these two machines were open. I walked

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Speaker 1: over to the machine and they're on the machine is

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Speaker 1: a ten cents a voucher right in front of the machine.

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Speaker 1: So I mean, it's just crazy things like that that

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Speaker 1: he does to my friends. Listening, you couldn't see Carol

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Speaker 1: holding up the picture of the knives, but they were

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Speaker 1: individually wrapped knives, and underneath the cellophane like wrapped with

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Speaker 1: the knife was one of the dimes that she was

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Speaker 1: talking about. So pennies and dimes can be a sign, yes,

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Speaker 1: but when they're in a really unusual place, that's a

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Speaker 1: good sign. We'll be right back. You're listening to Shades

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Speaker 1: of the Afterlife on the I Heart Radio and Coast

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Speaker 1: Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. Welcome back to Shades of

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Speaker 1: the Afterlife. I'm Sanders Champlain and we are listening to

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Speaker 1: Carol Cooper, author of Knock Knock, It's Me Mom, talking

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Speaker 1: about signs from her son Brian. I played the crossword puzzles,

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Speaker 1: you know, the scratch ups, and I always get words

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00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:17,159
Speaker 1: in there that makes me believe it's him. And I

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00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:20,639
Speaker 1: would always say, Brian, give me my aha moment. Every

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00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:22,920
Speaker 1: time I got across word puzzle, it always said ah

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Speaker 1: everyone ha ha ha ha ha ha. And I said,

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Speaker 1: is that even a word? So I said, Brian, I

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00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:32,399
Speaker 1: know that you you know, keep sending me the word aha,

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Speaker 1: but can you give me more? I just need a

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Speaker 1: little bit more. So I go in, I get the

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00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:40,399
Speaker 1: lottery ticket. I looked down. I couldn't not believe it

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00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:44,879
Speaker 1: said aha and then rest in peace son. And the

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Speaker 1: word lanterns which is for drug overdose. All those words

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Speaker 1: in one puzzle, and that is how he gets to me.

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00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:55,920
Speaker 1: That or the that's the way that Brian SAIDs signs.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I can go on and on and on

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Speaker 1: and on, but it's just a manny. So my belief

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00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:07,879
Speaker 1: system went from zero percent to why is it not

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Speaker 1: a hundred percent? I believe God does want does not

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00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:13,560
Speaker 1: want me to be a hundred percent. He wants me

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Speaker 1: to have that ten percent doubt because when I get

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00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:20,280
Speaker 1: into those really dark moments, that keeps me here, you know,

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Speaker 1: but is really good for me. And I know that

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Speaker 1: he's with me. I know he helped me write this

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00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:29,560
Speaker 1: book because I'm not a writer. I've always been very

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Speaker 1: good at writing, but I've never ever thought about writing

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Speaker 1: a book. And then in three months, I sat down

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00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:38,960
Speaker 1: on the computer and I typed day and night. I

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00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:41,879
Speaker 1: did not stop. Every time I wanted to stop. I

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00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:44,200
Speaker 1: heard his boys, Mom keep going, I got more. I

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00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:46,320
Speaker 1: got more, I got more, and I kept going and

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00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:49,720
Speaker 1: going and going. And when I finally finished it and

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00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:52,720
Speaker 1: I thought it was perfect, I heard this loud thunder

497
00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:55,920
Speaker 1: clapped like he was clapping for me, and I heard

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Speaker 1: him say, good job, mom. And that was my book.

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Speaker 1: And there's all saw a chapter on mediums, which I'd

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Speaker 1: like to real quickly say a shout out to Karen Knowey,

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00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:09,359
Speaker 1: shout out to the late Janet Nhovac. These are two

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Speaker 1: women that got me through my life. Because if they

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00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:15,840
Speaker 1: don't connect, it didn't connect Brian. Nobody did Karen knowey.

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00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:20,000
Speaker 1: When I went to see her, immediately she felt Brian

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00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:23,639
Speaker 1: and she said, Who's real b R I A L.

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00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:26,159
Speaker 1: She wrote it down and I started to cry, like

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Speaker 1: there was no tomorrow. When my dad used to call

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00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:31,639
Speaker 1: my son Brial when he was young and it was

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00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:34,320
Speaker 1: just a made up name, I didn't even remember that,

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Speaker 1: And how she would know that if Brian wasn't there

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00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:41,320
Speaker 1: talking to her. That was also an awakening moment for me,

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00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:43,760
Speaker 1: and one that every time I go into that dark moment,

513
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:46,360
Speaker 1: I think about that when she said real and I

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00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:49,000
Speaker 1: knew that he was there with me that day. But

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00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:52,280
Speaker 1: there's so much in this book. I talked about who

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00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:55,719
Speaker 1: I was before Brian, who I was with Brian, and

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Speaker 1: who I am now with al Brian. I also talked

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Speaker 1: about all the groups that howlp me, all the books

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00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:03,560
Speaker 1: that I read that helped me, all the videos that

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00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:07,240
Speaker 1: I watched on YouTube about near death experiences that helped me.

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Speaker 1: This is a great book for anybody breathing. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I wish I had this book when I lost Brian

523
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:15,040
Speaker 1: because I think it really would have helped me. And

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00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:17,880
Speaker 1: then the other book that I wrote just to let me. Know.

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00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:20,560
Speaker 1: I after that book, I said, I'm done. I don't

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Speaker 1: ever want to write a book. But what happened was

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00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 1: these people reached out to me after they read my book,

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Speaker 1: and they said, can I share a story with you?

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Speaker 1: And they were life changing experiences, like they gave me

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Speaker 1: goose bumps and made me cry, and I said, oh no,

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Speaker 1: please don't. I said, now I'm gonna want to write

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00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:40,440
Speaker 1: another book. So I did, and it was called My

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00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:43,680
Speaker 1: Broken Heart Lives On Without Me. And these are stories

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00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:48,880
Speaker 1: that everybody shared with me. Near death experiences, um bedside

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00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:51,320
Speaker 1: stories when people are dying and they can't move and

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Speaker 1: then they lift their hands up to reach for God

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00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:57,640
Speaker 1: or an angel, things that pets do or see when

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Speaker 1: someone dies, things that children say and people die near

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00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:06,000
Speaker 1: death experiences which are just absolutely unbelievable. And there's so

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Speaker 1: much more. And this was a very powerful book. And

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Speaker 1: I'm so blessed that people share their stories with me.

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00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:14,760
Speaker 1: And you know, there's also signs in here as welcome

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Speaker 1: from people who have, you know, very amazing signs like mine.

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Speaker 1: So now I'm done writing, but I think that you know,

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00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:26,080
Speaker 1: this was also part of my journey. I don't know

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Speaker 1: what the next part is going to be, but I'm

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00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:31,840
Speaker 1: open for anything. I know when it's my time, my

548
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:34,520
Speaker 1: son's gonna come to get me, and I'm going to

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Speaker 1: have a big party because i know I've done so

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Speaker 1: much in his name, and I'm always the voice of

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Speaker 1: other people who can't be a voice. I'm happy to

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00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:46,920
Speaker 1: share other people's stories whenever they want me to, and

553
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:50,640
Speaker 1: you know, that's my journey, that's my mission. I know

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Speaker 1: Brian led me to you because he only leads me

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00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:58,480
Speaker 1: to the best people, people that honestly with Janet Nahobek.

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00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:02,440
Speaker 1: When I first us Brian people, she was very, very big,

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Speaker 1: and she was one that I really thought I needed

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Speaker 1: to see. But when I called, there was a two

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Speaker 1: year way and I said, oh my god, I can't

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Speaker 1: wait two years to see her. I don't know if

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Speaker 1: I'll make it two years. And the woman on the

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00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:16,520
Speaker 1: phone was so apologetic, but she said, there's nothing I

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00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:18,719
Speaker 1: could do but put you on the list. And then

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Speaker 1: I went to a compassionate Friends group and I met

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Speaker 1: this beautiful woman who lost her son. We connected immediately,

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Speaker 1: and like a week later she called me. She said,

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you'd be interested. But about two

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00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:34,080
Speaker 1: years ago I signed up with this woman, Janet Nhope,

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Speaker 1: and I got an hour appointment, but I only need

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00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 1: a half hour. Would you want the other half hour?

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00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:42,360
Speaker 1: And I dropped. I said what And I told her

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Speaker 1: that I had just called to get an appointment. I said,

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Speaker 1: that's my son, Brian. He knew that I needed this,

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00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:51,600
Speaker 1: and sure enough I went the next week and I

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00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:55,520
Speaker 1: got a reading and it was so helpful to me. So,

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00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:57,720
Speaker 1: I mean, this is what happens. He leads me in

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Speaker 1: the path of the right people. He no who I

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00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:03,040
Speaker 1: need to connect with. Yeah, one other thing I want

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00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:07,440
Speaker 1: to say, who sold me my house? Um? I came in.

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Speaker 1: This was only like several weeks ago. He lost his

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00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:13,760
Speaker 1: daughter too. She was like fourteen on a on an

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00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 1: accent with a four wheeler. And you know, we became

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00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:19,480
Speaker 1: friends after he sold my house because we both had

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00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:22,840
Speaker 1: this in common. We both lost their children and he

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00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:25,480
Speaker 1: was having a really really hard time even though she

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00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:28,640
Speaker 1: passed so long ago. And I just a couple of

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Speaker 1: weeks ago. I came in from walking my dogs. I

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00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:32,560
Speaker 1: looked at my phone and I saw I had a

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00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 1: missed call from him, and I said, wow, why would

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00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:38,920
Speaker 1: he call me? It's like nine thirty. So I called

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00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:41,560
Speaker 1: back and he answered the phone. He sounded very upset.

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00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:44,640
Speaker 1: I said, Hi, this is Carol. I saw you just

593
00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:47,240
Speaker 1: called and he said, who is this? I said, Carol,

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00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:50,040
Speaker 1: the one you sold the house too. Be goes Oh, Hi,

595
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:52,920
Speaker 1: I said, I just noticed a missed call. He said,

596
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:55,560
Speaker 1: I didn't call you. He's my phone wasn't even here.

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00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:58,360
Speaker 1: I'm just sitting here. I'm having a really bad moment

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00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:00,680
Speaker 1: right now, and I'm in a door place and I

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00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:03,000
Speaker 1: don't know what to do. We stayed on the phone

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00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 1: for half an hour. By the time we hung up,

601
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:07,160
Speaker 1: he was laughing and he said, you just saved my

602
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:11,680
Speaker 1: life and he didn't even call me. So this is

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00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:15,240
Speaker 1: how Brian leads me to people for things that I

604
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:18,760
Speaker 1: need to do. He is such a good partner with me,

605
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:21,520
Speaker 1: and I know he couldn't do this when he was

606
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:23,920
Speaker 1: here because he had too many issues. I know now

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00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:26,960
Speaker 1: he's free from all of this, and he's able to

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00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:31,440
Speaker 1: use his intelligence, his strength, his love, everything in his

609
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:34,000
Speaker 1: power to work with me and be the best partner

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00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:37,360
Speaker 1: that anyone could ever ask for. And I'm blessed to

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00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:41,560
Speaker 1: be able to do this for others. I am just

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00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:45,000
Speaker 1: amazed and I think the next step for you is

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00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:48,920
Speaker 1: just sharing, sharing, sharing as much as you can about

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00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:51,480
Speaker 1: the book, the stories. In a second, I wanted you

615
00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 1: to just think of maybe a couple of stories from

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00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:56,920
Speaker 1: your second book to share, because we love stories, and

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Speaker 1: I know our listeners are going to pick up a

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00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:02,240
Speaker 1: copy of your book. Um is it on Kindle? Also

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00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:06,320
Speaker 1: it is. It's not perfect perfect, because you know, I'm

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00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:09,080
Speaker 1: a kind of Galt likes to right, you know, read

621
00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:11,799
Speaker 1: them right away. But maybe a couple of stories from

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00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:13,800
Speaker 1: your second book. But I just wanted to talk about

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Speaker 1: you had said, I don't think as human beings we

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00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:21,680
Speaker 1: are designed to be able to understand the bigger picture.

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00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:25,719
Speaker 1: I don't, and I think game might not be the

626
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:28,200
Speaker 1: best word for this, But when we come to life,

627
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:32,799
Speaker 1: we'll say the game of life it is experiences for

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00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:38,080
Speaker 1: our soul. It is learning, it is growing, and when

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00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:42,239
Speaker 1: we transition will maybe figure out what it was all for.

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Speaker 1: But I think part of life really is to get

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00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:48,360
Speaker 1: the most experiences we can. So even myself, Carol, who's

632
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:54,440
Speaker 1: had twenty five years now of gathering afterlife evidence, even

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00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:58,600
Speaker 1: taking courses on mediumship and things, and through my own mind,

634
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:02,200
Speaker 1: my own voice, I have given people details of their

635
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:05,840
Speaker 1: loved one. I have recorded electronic voice phenomena, I have

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00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 1: heard the voices. I have witnessed miracles that I couldn't

637
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:13,960
Speaker 1: even begin to describe. Yet I wake up in the

638
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:16,399
Speaker 1: morning thinking it was all that just a dream? Did

639
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:19,480
Speaker 1: this all happened? And fear comes into my life just

640
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:23,279
Speaker 1: like everybody else. So I don't think we are designed

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00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:28,359
Speaker 1: to really get it, because if we knew really how

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Speaker 1: powerful we are, that we're souls having a human experience,

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Speaker 1: that our loved ones are still around us, cheering us on,

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Speaker 1: that we can create miracles. I mean, you know, down

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Speaker 1: to each little atom within our being, all we are

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Speaker 1: is vibrating invisible energy. And somebody just reminded me the

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Speaker 1: other day of our eyes. You know, we think we're seeing,

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Speaker 1: but it's really our brain is doing things and we

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Speaker 1: are miracles. So anyone who has that skeptical mind, it

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Speaker 1: is normal. It is natural. It is part of our

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Speaker 1: humanity to help us remember or play this game called life,

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Speaker 1: as difficult as it is. But we get people like

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Speaker 1: Carol that we hear the words and we get the

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Speaker 1: signs from Brian. I love having the time wrapped within

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Speaker 1: the knife there. That's great. Be gentle on yourself everyone.

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Speaker 1: Our loved ones want to get us to know that

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Speaker 1: they're alive. They do and they want us to live

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Speaker 1: our lives powerfully. But like Carol and myself, if we

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Speaker 1: can help someone go on with life, because when we

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Speaker 1: experience grief, there's a lot of people that the first

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Speaker 1: reaction is I want to take myself out of this life.

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Speaker 1: Either can't handle the pain or want to be with

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Speaker 1: their loved one. There is value to being here on earth.

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Speaker 1: So I really applaud Carol for taking the grief and

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Speaker 1: turning it into something big with the books, with the

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Speaker 1: bears and just with all of your speaking. So wow,

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Speaker 1: so book. Like I said, the life change experiences. Also,

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Speaker 1: there was could the Stranger Be My Angel? Where a

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Speaker 1: stranger comes into your life and gives you a message

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Speaker 1: something that you need to hear. There was a few

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Speaker 1: stories like the near death experiences are the ones that

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Speaker 1: we hit home with me the most because these people

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Speaker 1: actually went there and saw their loved ones. They were

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Speaker 1: very credible. I only went with the people that it's

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Speaker 1: funny whenever I heard a story, if I get chills,

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Speaker 1: that means Brian said, that's the one you need to

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Speaker 1: put in your book. It's it's validation chills, I call it.

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Speaker 1: And every time I did hear a story, and I

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Speaker 1: heard so many, and I'm so thankful that people shared

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Speaker 1: so many stories, but it was only a few that

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Speaker 1: gave me those validation chills, especially the near death experiences.

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Speaker 1: Let's go into our last break and then we'll hear

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Speaker 1: more stories from Carol Cooper. You're listening to Shades of

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Speaker 1: the Afterlife on the I Heart Radio it Coast to

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Speaker 1: Coast am hair a normal podcast network. Welcome back to

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Speaker 1: Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain and you're hearing

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Speaker 1: from Carol Cooper, whose son had an accidental overdose and

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Speaker 1: brought him to this spirit world. She's the author of

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Speaker 1: Knock Knock, It's Me Mom, and she's also got a

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Speaker 1: second book, My Broken Heart Lives On Without You, which

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Speaker 1: are filled with stories from people who have had experiences

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Speaker 1: of signs from the afterlife. Carol's website is a Life

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Speaker 1: for Brian dot Org. All the proceeds of her book

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Speaker 1: and these care bearers that she has all goes to

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Speaker 1: her foundation, in turn goes to help those struggling with

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Speaker 1: addiction and mental illness. She also provides funding to those

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Speaker 1: in need of shelter, many of whom which are homeless.

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Speaker 1: So she's a very passionate woman that has really turned

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Speaker 1: a dark time in her life into hope for so

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Speaker 1: many people. So I'm sure you can understand why I

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Speaker 1: wanted you to hear her words. And really, we can

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Speaker 1: each make a difference in our own special way. So

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Speaker 1: Carol was just about to tell us a story about

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Speaker 1: someone with a near death experience. Let's continue this one gentleman.

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Speaker 1: He was so humble. He said he would never share

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Speaker 1: his story unless he was asked, and he said, and

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Speaker 1: you have asked, and therefore I will share. And he

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Speaker 1: did share his story where he did go to the

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Speaker 1: other side, and you know, he says, you will see

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Speaker 1: people that your grandmother, your great grandmother, great great great

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Speaker 1: great grand and goes back and back, and you will

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Speaker 1: know people you get there. And he he spoke to

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Speaker 1: me in the text after he shared his story when

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Speaker 1: I thanked him for sharing, as if he was with

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Speaker 1: Brian talking to me, because he kept telling me, you're

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Speaker 1: in the light right now. You have something you need

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Speaker 1: to do. Brian is working with you. He's very proud

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Speaker 1: of you. You will see Brian again, and I mean

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Speaker 1: it was so powerful, the chills, I felt like I

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Speaker 1: was gonna shake. I was so you know, moved by

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Speaker 1: what this man said. And you know, his mere death

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Speaker 1: experience was similar to other people's. I mean it seemed

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Speaker 1: like people either saw Jesus, they saw God. They were

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Speaker 1: told why they were there, why they have to come back.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes they were told things to come, that we're going

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Speaker 1: to come, as almost like a forewarning. Even though sometimes

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Speaker 1: it wasn't something that great, but it was very life

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Speaker 1: changing these experiences. When they came back, they were different

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Speaker 1: people and they had they knew what their mission in

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Speaker 1: life was. I also shared a story of a gentleman

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Speaker 1: who lost his son. He had a sign that that

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Speaker 1: I always talked about. He lost his son and the

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Speaker 1: fire in um Rhode Island. It was on the news.

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Speaker 1: It was a big fire. His son perished in the fire.

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Speaker 1: He was young, he was in the band, and his

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Speaker 1: wife had such a difficult time except it happened to

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Speaker 1: her his son. And they were in the car one

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Speaker 1: day and she said, I wonder did he hurt like

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Speaker 1: you know the fire was was he in pain? And

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Speaker 1: he said, how many times do I have to tell you,

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Speaker 1: he's fine. You've heard this so many times before, while

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Speaker 1: are you, you know, bringing it up again? She says,

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Speaker 1: I just feel like he might have been hurting. And

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Speaker 1: then they were cut off by a car and the

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Speaker 1: license plate said no pain. That was that cut in

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Speaker 1: front of them, Yes, no pain. So the other one

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Speaker 1: that I loved as well. I mean, there's so many

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Speaker 1: good stories in here. I mean, it's just unbelievable. This woman,

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Speaker 1: the grandmother, she had rettin of problems and she was

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Speaker 1: going flying at the end, and she never got a

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Speaker 1: chance to see her grandson. So after she passed, the

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Speaker 1: daughter took a picture of her grandson and he was encompassed.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you could see this, probably not,

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Speaker 1: but he was encompassed inside an eye, an eyeball. It

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Speaker 1: just surrounds him in the exact shape of an eye,

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Speaker 1: and it's like I see you now. So I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's just beautiful stories. I mean, I could talk from

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Speaker 1: now untill tonight about the beautiful stories in Europe. But

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Speaker 1: you know, I encourage you if you need something that's

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Speaker 1: gonna make you smile. With my books, I tried to

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Speaker 1: keep the very positive. There's so many stories out there

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Speaker 1: that are so sad, and a lot of people are

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Speaker 1: hesitant to read these kind of books because they just

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Speaker 1: like one woman said, I couldn't get past the title

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Speaker 1: without crying. I want to say I really kept it positive.

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Speaker 1: My books are more helpful. I mean, I tried to

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Speaker 1: make it so that when you read, you're gonna feel

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Speaker 1: like hope, you're gonna feel good about yourself. You're not

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Speaker 1: gonna beat yourself up and feel guilty. But what if

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Speaker 1: the should have the kudos? I mean, we beat ourselves

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Speaker 1: up every day with that. And also, you know, some people,

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Speaker 1: they don't want to smile, they don't want to laugh,

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Speaker 1: they don't want to go to a restaurant and eat

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Speaker 1: good food because they feel their child's not there with them,

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Speaker 1: or their loved ones not there, or why should they

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Speaker 1: be having a great meal and you know they're not here.

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Speaker 1: But you can't do that because I've learned that when

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Speaker 1: we're happy, they're happy, it raises their energy level. They

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Speaker 1: don't want to see us crying. They don't because they

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Speaker 1: know that we're going to be together one day and

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Speaker 1: that we have something to do here and we have

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Speaker 1: to try to live every day the best we can

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Speaker 1: because tomorrow is never promised, never promised, Carol, Can you

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Speaker 1: just tell us what we'll find when we go to

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Speaker 1: a Life for Brian dot org. Yes, you'll find everything

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Speaker 1: about me and my journey. It has some good news articles.

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Speaker 1: I did get a lot of media attention over the years.

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Speaker 1: It's on Channel twelve News. I was in a lot

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Speaker 1: of magazines from my autistic anti bulling bears. UM. But

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Speaker 1: it also has references where you can go and has

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Speaker 1: that website that I spoke about earlier, and it just

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Speaker 1: has a lot of information and also it has my

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Speaker 1: bears if you'd like to see all the different bears

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Speaker 1: that I had, it shows, it has my books, and

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Speaker 1: it's just a good place to go where you can,

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Speaker 1: you know, see what I'm doing, reach out to me.

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Speaker 1: I'm happy to provide any resources. If you have children

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Speaker 1: that are suffering from addiction, mental illness, if you lost somebody,

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Speaker 1: if you're feeling like you can't get out of bed,

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Speaker 1: these are all things that I'm here for to help you. UM.

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Speaker 1: I encourage you to look at my website, a Life

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Speaker 1: for Brian dot org and you can just click on

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Speaker 1: and you can also contact me through there, and I'm

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Speaker 1: happy to connect with you, Carol to Er, thank you

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Speaker 1: for being our guest today. Thank you so much. It's

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Speaker 1: been such a pleasure, and I really appreciate you allowing

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Speaker 1: me to share my story. Absolutely, this story needed to

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Speaker 1: be shared because I know people listening, We all know people.

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Speaker 1: We can all share. We can all talk about this episode,

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Speaker 1: we can talk about your books and what you've been through,

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Speaker 1: and most especially talk about what's happening with the pills.

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Speaker 1: And you never know what's out there and what it

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Speaker 1: could be laced with. So please, ladies and gentlemen listening,

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Speaker 1: please share, Please, please please, Carol, just one more time,

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Speaker 1: what's written on the bottom of the bears of foot?

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Speaker 1: What are the three steps? Ready? Said? Go? Get ready

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Speaker 1: to carry on said a goal? And go out there

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Speaker 1: and cherish your loved ones? Perfect, cherish your loved ones.

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Speaker 1: We live life like we're going to have all the

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Speaker 1: time in the world. But when something happens and we realize,

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Speaker 1: oh we could have, we should have, we didn't, why

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Speaker 1: didn't I? All of those things go through our mind,

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Speaker 1: and of course at the time we do the best

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Speaker 1: we can. But what would it be like to really

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Speaker 1: pay attention to the people in our lives and really

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Speaker 1: consciously loved them, consciously listen to them and be there

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Speaker 1: for them. And parents, check out your kids computers, their

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Speaker 1: cell phones, talk to them about drugs, talk to them

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Speaker 1: about these stories. It was really heartbreaking to hear Carol stories.

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Speaker 1: And I know, just again by watching the news how

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Speaker 1: many deaths are going on with young people right now. Awful.

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Speaker 1: And while we do continue to live and our loved

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Speaker 1: ones are healthy, well and alive and we will see

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Speaker 1: them again, they have been cheated out of having a

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Speaker 1: human life, and human life, as hard as it can be,

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Speaker 1: is really a place for our soul to learn, to grow,

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Speaker 1: to experience. When you think of your life right now,

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Speaker 1: you're certainly not the same person that you were as

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Speaker 1: a kid, were you. No, you needed all of this

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Speaker 1: life to grow and grow in wisdom. So I think

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Speaker 1: the same thing holds true for our soul, which they

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Speaker 1: are divine and they are special And I don't know,

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Speaker 1: it is my feeling. There is a lot to embrace

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Speaker 1: here on planet Earth. And when we do crossover, we

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Speaker 1: continue to learn, we continue to grow, we continue to love,

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Speaker 1: But the more we love, the more grief hurts. And

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Speaker 1: when somebody leaves this earth before their time, while the

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Speaker 1: devastation that it can leave behind. I believe these shows

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Speaker 1: and everything we're up to really is to help people

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Speaker 1: live a better life. You don't need to go be

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Speaker 1: raw raw. I believe in the afterlife and share that

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Speaker 1: wildly unless you want to. Well, but if you can

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Speaker 1: make somebody's day a little bit brighter, a little bit better,

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Speaker 1: we already had it in our lives like it's always been.

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Speaker 1: I know what's going to happen. I just don't know

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Speaker 1: when it's going to happen. There are fads that catch

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Speaker 1: Our time is just about up. Thank you for giving

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