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Speaker 1: And look, Michael Vari show is on the air.

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Speaker 3: And Trump has really focused on the cartels and international

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Speaker 3: which is a narco state. But you know what, I

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Speaker 3: Trump has taken on the cartel. And my argument has

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Speaker 3: speak ill of the cartels. They're on your street in America.

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Speaker 3: They have so infiltrated America. They are the most dangerous

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Speaker 3: yet nobody's wanted to take them on until now. So

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Speaker 3: we wanted an expert on the issue, and so the

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Speaker 3: is Secure and Sovereign Nation. The Texas Public Policy Foundation's

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Speaker 3: Foundation Today. That organization does fantastic work. It's not some

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Speaker 3: think tank funded by the defense industry to lobby for

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Speaker 3: and I think they deserve some credit for that. Emmin

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Speaker 3: Blair is his name. He's a twenty plus year Army veteran,

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Speaker 1: You don't see that often.

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Speaker 3: He's been in various leadership and staff positions, Infantry platoon

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Speaker 3: leader on Operation Lone Star, Adjoint military law enforcement operation

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Speaker 3: to enhance border security and public safety in Texas. He's

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Speaker 1: EM and welcome to the program.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much, sir for having me.

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Speaker 3: So let's talk about how bad the threat is from

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Speaker 3: the cartels, and how much of that is coming across

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Speaker 3: they get We'll start with drugs, but they're trafficking humans

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Speaker 3: and guns as well.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, sure, I'm going to I'm going to go back

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Speaker 2: to one of your first statements in regards to Afghanistan.

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Speaker 2: So in twenty eighteen, after the Taiban controlled or contested

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Speaker 2: that was enough quote unquote justification for US to keep

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Speaker 2: And yet we actually didn't do anything at that time period.

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Speaker 2: In twenty nineteen, if you remember, the Mormons were massacred

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Speaker 2: trade took precedent over security. The cartels were never designated

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Speaker 2: What's interesting is if you go to Texas, it's going

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Speaker 2: That is quote unquote not in a conflict, even though

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Speaker 2: they have to sign an agreement with landowners. Well, you

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Speaker 2: He worked at cartels, and which is probably.

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Speaker 1: The world as we know it, Michael, in the world.

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Speaker 1: Emmon Blair is our guest.

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Speaker 3: He's with the Texas Public Policy Foundation, and this issue

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Speaker 3: Actual muscle is the Cartels of Mexico, and Emmon is

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Speaker 3: our guest to discuss exactly what's going on with them.

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Speaker 1: Emmon, I had to cut you off.

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Speaker 3: You were talking about these farmers and they're given a

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Speaker 1: That is for those folks. It's real, it's real.

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Speaker 2: Then you mentioned something that they're very powerful. We can

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Speaker 2: forty thousand drone incursions. And we just hosted over the

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Speaker 2: They they are in sixty five other countries. In order

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Speaker 2: Well as the spyware, anything that the country of Mexico receives,

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Speaker 3: It's a frightening, frightening thing because you only get your kid,

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Speaker 1: We'll talk more about the cartels coming up. They remain

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Speaker 3: Well, and to talk about your central point, which is

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Speaker 1: It's horrifying.

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Speaker 3: It's horrifying to think that that there's no one from

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Speaker 3: And this is how this is how communities and countries fall,

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Speaker 2: What a maroonche What an ignoranom.

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Speaker 3: We've been talking about a subject that has interested President

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Speaker 3: I know they haven't.

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Speaker 1: I'm not the expert you are, but I've studied this.

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Speaker 3: They have incredible levels of sophistication militarily, drones, numbers of

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Speaker 2: And they're choosing Nazi because they are part of the government. Now,

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Speaker 2: in certainties worldwide, if you can control the population, really

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Speaker 2: can control that movement. And as I said about, they're

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Speaker 2: the fifth largest employer inside of Mexico, that includes all

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Speaker 2: those that are cultivating their narcotics and everywhere else. Their engineers,

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Speaker 2: their citic audios, they're foot soldiers, their white collar folk

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Speaker 2: that are handling their finances, lawyers and you name it.

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Speaker 2: And so they are. They would be able to be

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Speaker 2: like a nation state in terms of as they have

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Speaker 2: everything that is needed to take on other foreign countries.

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Speaker 2: They already have the intelligence apparatus in the spyware, they

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Speaker 2: already have the telecommunication systems, they already have the personality equipment,

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Speaker 2: the money. They have more money than a majority of countries.

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Speaker 2: And they and their procurement process and their learning process

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Speaker 2: can be expedited since they don't have bureaucracy or rules,

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Speaker 2: no rules of engagement. The only rules of engagement as

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Speaker 2: it stands now is they don't want the full force

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Speaker 2: so that is why inside of the US they do

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Speaker 2: everything what we call it for his own conflicts, everything

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Speaker 2: below the threshold of war. And because US as Americans

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Speaker 2: have such a misunderstanding of what the term war means,

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Speaker 2: we have a problem with either taking out cartels in

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Speaker 2: the Caribbean when they're conducting actual drug warfare in the

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Speaker 2: with us. They're they're enacting drug warfare as a hybrid

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Speaker 2: threat network with the CCP and with other like with

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Speaker 2: the Hakani network. They have ties with Hezbola, and then

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Speaker 2: because they're ties with Venezuela, they I have ties with

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Speaker 2: I ran the country itself in Russia. In fact, they're

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Speaker 2: lot of Russian delegates in Mexico. And in fact, Harvard

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Speaker 2: did a study on that just recently on it is

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Speaker 2: the spy network place of residency is now Mexico, and

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Speaker 2: so their level of power and control to take out

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Speaker 2: other nation states is completely is completely accurate. Now can

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Speaker 2: they do that with us? Well, they be able to

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Speaker 2: do it in certain ways they'd be able to probably

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Speaker 2: do mass genocide. Imagine if they were to place a

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Speaker 2: lethal dose of Sentinel in every single narcotic that they sold,

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Speaker 2: and gave that command to the street peddlars like the

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Speaker 2: Bloods and the crips, to the M thirteen, to every

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Speaker 2: one of their contractors of contractors in the intermediaries, that

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Speaker 2: everything they produce or push out must have a length

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Speaker 2: with us. And then they also control the agricultural trade.

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Speaker 2: They control all forms of agriculture. Every other bottle you eat,

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Speaker 2: everyone that's obsessed with avocado toast from Mexico, you're eating

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Speaker 2: a blood avocado. The cartels control completely control their agricultural trade,

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Speaker 2: from avocado's lines to the cattle and so all they

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Speaker 2: would have to do, since they already mix the crystal

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Speaker 2: meth or cocaine in the loads when they come across

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Speaker 2: with their semi trailers, not inside the product, but try

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Speaker 2: to hide it, all they would have to do is

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Speaker 2: put lethal doses in every one of the produce Britos,

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Speaker 2: you name it, everything that's coming across at our ports

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Speaker 2: of entry, and they can have mass genocide. Just as

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Speaker 2: he said earlier, just that little speckle piece of sentinel.

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Speaker 2: The size of the end of your pen or pencil

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Speaker 2: could kill someone. Imagine if that was in everything, everything

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Speaker 2: that we imported from the state of Mexico, it would

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Speaker 2: be mass genocide. And so in terms of guns and

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Speaker 2: firepower and tanks and other communications, yeah, they do have that,

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Speaker 2: and they get that from Guatemala military or Russia or

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Speaker 2: River supplying their arms and weapons as well as straw

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Speaker 2: purchases in the US. When you look at all the

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Speaker 2: asymmetric ways and means that they can conduct warfare, you

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Speaker 2: can utilize anything as a weapon, as what China talks

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Speaker 2: about in their unrestriched warfare doctrine, where anything can be

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Speaker 2: a weapon, then we're looking at a whole different ball game.

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Speaker 3: Well, in an hour, we've only scratched the surface. This

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Speaker 3: is a threat that we need to take very seriously,

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Speaker 3: and it's a threat that's going to be a difficult

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Speaker 3: confrontation because they're not going to.

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Speaker 1: Go lightly, especially because.

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Speaker 3: This is big business and when you have this many

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Speaker 3: billion dollars at play, people have a lot of resources

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Speaker 3: and they're not simply going to go quietly into the

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Speaker 3: good night. They like their money, they worked hard to

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Speaker 3: earn it, and they're going to protect it, and they're

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Speaker 3: there is no value to human life of anyone who

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Speaker 3: gets in their way. Emmen, Blair, thank you for your time,

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Speaker 3: good sir, and thank you to state representative and congressional

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Speaker 3: candidate Steve Toath for suggesting I speak to you. I'm

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Speaker 3: very interested in the work you're doing on this subject

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Speaker 3: and I hope you continue.

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Speaker 1: It's very very important. Thank you, good sir.

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Speaker 3: figure you are as well.

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Speaker 1: Have a good one.

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