WEBVTT - Ep. 127: Grays Harbor 0:00:08.960 --> 0:00:13.320 This is me eat your podcast coming at you shirtless, severely, 0:00:13.480 --> 0:00:18.320 bug bitten, and in my case, underwear listening podcast. You 0:00:18.360 --> 0:00:27.480 can't predict anything. The first thing to bring up this 0:00:27.840 --> 0:00:31.760 nice just flag this as interesting, is that this is trivia. 0:00:31.840 --> 0:00:36.120 This is trivia for listeners. Uh, what do you call 0:00:36.240 --> 0:00:39.360 Let let's say you're reading a hardcover book, okay, and 0:00:39.440 --> 0:00:43.400 you peel off the dust jacket. What do you call 0:00:44.680 --> 0:00:50.240 the cover of the book that is under the dust jacket. 0:00:52.560 --> 0:00:54.880 As much as I've dealt in books for a good 0:00:54.920 --> 0:00:56.680 portion of my life, I did not know that that 0:00:56.800 --> 0:01:00.279 is called the case. So whatever is un to there, 0:01:00.280 --> 0:01:05.920 which is usually nothing, is the case design. Not to 0:01:05.959 --> 0:01:09.679 be confused case sing for sausages. When someone said the 0:01:09.720 --> 0:01:12.640 design for the bookcase, I thought they meant when you 0:01:12.720 --> 0:01:14.679 buy a box of books, the book that came in 0:01:14.880 --> 0:01:17.960 the box that came in. That's not true. Secondly, I 0:01:18.040 --> 0:01:22.360 just learned Jimmy Doran told me last night that and 0:01:22.400 --> 0:01:25.520 correct me if I'm wrong. Jimmy Dorn baseball players are 0:01:25.640 --> 0:01:32.800 infinitely smarter than football players and much better paid. Guy. 0:01:32.840 --> 0:01:36.720 They have guaranteed money and smarter. I didn't say that 0:01:36.760 --> 0:01:39.760 they were smarter. That's not a quote. I think he 0:01:39.880 --> 0:01:42.800 might be embellishing just a tad. Well, you laid out 0:01:42.800 --> 0:01:46.119 that they did a much better job, that they don't 0:01:46.160 --> 0:01:50.320 bang their heads as much and stay sustain significantly less 0:01:51.000 --> 0:01:53.280 injuries bang their heads as much, and that they just 0:01:53.280 --> 0:01:57.080 sort of have over the years negotiated like baseball players 0:01:57.760 --> 0:02:02.120 collectively have negotiated better. Yes, the Baseball Players Union has 0:02:02.160 --> 0:02:04.800 done a uh well, in my opinion, a better job 0:02:04.840 --> 0:02:08.919 than the NFL Players Association making sure that they get paid. 0:02:10.200 --> 0:02:13.639 H you have you have been on the show enough 0:02:13.680 --> 0:02:15.720 to kind of know the sort of mug or the 0:02:15.760 --> 0:02:18.640 sort of lady who listens to the show. What percentage 0:02:18.680 --> 0:02:21.120 of those mugs and ladies do you feel have seen 0:02:21.200 --> 0:02:25.040 the video you showed me of the guy hitting the 0:02:25.080 --> 0:02:28.399 morning dove with the baseball with a fastball? How many 0:02:28.440 --> 0:02:30.160 women do you think have seen the picture or the 0:02:30.240 --> 0:02:33.160 video of Randy Johnson hitting a dove with a fastball. 0:02:34.120 --> 0:02:36.720 I would say it's pretty low if you haven't seen 0:02:36.760 --> 0:02:39.519 this video. If you type in if you type in 0:02:39.560 --> 0:02:43.760 the word Randy, it auto fiels the fourth the word 0:02:43.960 --> 0:02:47.840 Randy alone. When I entered Randy into my phone, the 0:02:47.960 --> 0:02:50.959 fourth down auto phil is what's his name again? Randy 0:02:51.040 --> 0:02:54.919 Johnson is Randy Johnson hits bird with baseball or something 0:02:55.000 --> 0:02:59.079 like that. Dove is I've never seen anthing like Yeah, 0:02:59.360 --> 0:03:03.959 it was very unfortunate event for the dove. But yeah, 0:03:04.000 --> 0:03:08.119 I mean yeah, I mean yeah, I like mourned. That's 0:03:08.120 --> 0:03:10.720 a pawn. Do you get the PUNTI mourned for the dove. 0:03:10.880 --> 0:03:16.040 I didn't get it. So never seen anthing like. Never 0:03:16.160 --> 0:03:23.639 I mean a puff of feathers exploding and done. Uh 0:03:23.760 --> 0:03:28.160 so Jimmy Doran's here then, uh Janice Poodles. Uh. We 0:03:28.280 --> 0:03:31.960 also learned some Washington state driver's license trivia. Yeah. I 0:03:31.960 --> 0:03:34.440 didn't catch all that though, but yeah, fill people in 0:03:34.520 --> 0:03:37.320 oh Tony like really got the You were right there 0:03:37.320 --> 0:03:41.560 for that, were you? She was really checked out at 0:03:41.600 --> 0:03:45.600 that moment. What's the name of the hotel? It was Westport, 0:03:45.760 --> 0:03:50.320 the Chateau Westport. The woman working the counter is really 0:03:50.480 --> 0:03:56.920 checked out on driver driver's license trivia. She's got two masters. 0:03:58.200 --> 0:04:03.000 Well one, Now, your driver's license isn't horridor. Your driver's 0:04:03.000 --> 0:04:06.440 license is printed vertically if you're under twenty one, which 0:04:06.480 --> 0:04:14.240 I wasn't aware of. You didn't know that, No, I 0:04:14.640 --> 0:04:18.120 you know how you can drink in Canada? When you're eighteen. 0:04:18.880 --> 0:04:21.360 I drank a Canada or they changed it didn't used 0:04:21.360 --> 0:04:24.920 to be eighteen, whatever it was, I drank. They're out 0:04:24.920 --> 0:04:29.200 of fake. I D long ago. I feel like all 0:04:29.240 --> 0:04:31.719 of us going up in Michigan did that go to 0:04:31.800 --> 0:04:34.479 Canada right across the board. But no, I didn't know 0:04:34.520 --> 0:04:36.360 they changed the way his friend did you guys? Is 0:04:36.400 --> 0:04:39.240 there any other significant tidbits from that little lecture she 0:04:39.279 --> 0:04:43.880 gave us on design layout of driver's licenses. What I 0:04:43.960 --> 0:04:47.760 likes something about the numbers right and the Yeah, that's 0:04:47.760 --> 0:04:51.200 how they tell if it's a fake. I D and 0:04:51.279 --> 0:04:54.440 I don't know. I don't know the formula of the 0:04:54.520 --> 0:04:57.880 numbers and the letters. But something adds up to I 0:04:57.920 --> 0:05:01.400 think it's your birthdate, like like the two two two 0:05:01.440 --> 0:05:05.640 and my driver's license number adds up to you know, 0:05:05.720 --> 0:05:09.760 I don't know what, something like that you're you were 0:05:09.800 --> 0:05:13.240 born plus the two numbers after the letters there you 0:05:13.279 --> 0:05:16.560 go on your driver's license number. Total hunt that's it. 0:05:16.680 --> 0:05:24.880 I think that's it. Yeah, Yeah, that's two to two right, 0:05:25.279 --> 0:05:28.320 So if you try to there was some other like 0:05:28.480 --> 0:05:31.839 doctor a license I don't remember, or doctor your own license. 0:05:33.200 --> 0:05:35.560 I learned that like when I was sixteen or something. 0:05:36.279 --> 0:05:39.599 I took a paper I d the day I got it. Remember, 0:05:39.600 --> 0:05:42.280 my mom drove me home from the driver's license office 0:05:42.360 --> 0:05:44.600 and I went up to my room and was immediately 0:05:44.640 --> 0:05:49.720 there with the eraser and a pencil. I was born 0:05:49.760 --> 0:05:52.280 in v so I turned that eight into a three. 0:05:52.360 --> 0:05:54.800 And then that day I went to a beer store 0:05:54.839 --> 0:06:07.480 about forty for all my boys solid work, you know, 0:06:10.279 --> 0:06:13.839 rock girl. There's always someone always had some darrel looked uncle. 0:06:14.360 --> 0:06:16.640 I feel like someone is always like, oh, so, you 0:06:16.680 --> 0:06:19.400 know Billy's uncle, right, and that would be the guy 0:06:19.440 --> 0:06:22.640 that would go buy people go by beer people's I 0:06:22.720 --> 0:06:24.839 was something like darrel. Like the uncle lived out, you know, 0:06:24.960 --> 0:06:28.280 lived in some storage shed behind their parents house. You know, 0:06:29.160 --> 0:06:35.039 football player, he was great in high school. They're there. 0:06:35.080 --> 0:06:37.000 Like about the lady that checked us in at the 0:06:37.080 --> 0:06:41.960 Chateau Westport is that she asked Johanna's his name and 0:06:42.040 --> 0:06:44.640 I Joanna said Joannae, and I said it's Janice. And 0:06:44.680 --> 0:06:47.560 she looks at him and goes, okay, Jannie. She wasn't 0:06:47.560 --> 0:06:51.880 buying it. She thought she thought he was lying. She 0:06:51.960 --> 0:06:53.919 had already read it, you know, as that was burned, 0:06:54.000 --> 0:06:57.120 The j was burned into her mind. She couldn't. Don't 0:06:57.160 --> 0:07:01.080 tell me what your name is. I know this young man. 0:07:01.160 --> 0:07:07.000 Next you'll tell me what you and then Tony COLAGROSSI 0:07:07.080 --> 0:07:10.760 has never been on the program before first Timer. We 0:07:10.840 --> 0:07:18.520 know each other mostly probably Mark Boordman, Cody Courdy, Louhan. Yeah, Mark, Cody, 0:07:19.520 --> 0:07:23.440 Brian actually introduced us, but Mark and Cody. I was 0:07:23.480 --> 0:07:26.000 still living. I was living in I was like struggling 0:07:26.040 --> 0:07:29.200 with Trick and ols is living in temporary housing when 0:07:29.240 --> 0:07:33.360 we met. Was that right right after that? Right when 0:07:33.400 --> 0:07:38.800 you moved here? Yeah, introduced you to Razor Clamming. I 0:07:38.800 --> 0:07:43.280 don't because the where we're sitting at right now is 0:07:43.400 --> 0:07:49.880 um would you say, like the Southern Olympic Peninsula. It's 0:07:49.880 --> 0:07:53.120 not even the peninsula southern Washington coast. You guys don't 0:07:53.120 --> 0:07:56.400 compass the peninsula. Really, what do you come be in 0:07:56.400 --> 0:07:59.920 the peninsula once you get up past like a huge 0:08:00.080 --> 0:08:04.160 township canal? Right, like this is mainland, so you gotta 0:08:04.200 --> 0:08:08.760 get up past people? Oh really see, Okay, from the 0:08:09.160 --> 0:08:12.000 I've been getting that wrong for long, So say I 0:08:12.000 --> 0:08:14.920 would say that like the from the from north, Yeah, 0:08:15.200 --> 0:08:18.480 like from the anglers and hunters like to use the 0:08:18.600 --> 0:08:22.360 terms the rivers that drain off of the Olympics from 0:08:22.400 --> 0:08:25.880 that point northward would be those are the limp those 0:08:25.920 --> 0:08:29.720 are that's the olympos so you have been making would 0:08:29.720 --> 0:08:31.800 be the south one. This would be known as like 0:08:31.840 --> 0:08:37.840 Gray's Harbor, South Coast. Yeah, yeah, Grey's Harbor County. So 0:08:37.880 --> 0:08:39.800 I've been making like a total fool of myself for 0:08:39.840 --> 0:08:41.480 the three years that I lived in Seattle. Which are 0:08:41.600 --> 0:08:45.040 which which are coming to a close? I've been saying, 0:08:45.040 --> 0:08:47.199 like out on the peninsula, but I'm not on the peninsula. 0:08:47.800 --> 0:08:49.840 Everybody's been laughing at me. If you're saying you're going 0:08:49.840 --> 0:08:53.040 out razor climbing on the peninsula, they think I'm breaking 0:08:53.120 --> 0:08:57.720 laws even up by clay Lock or mo CROs or 0:08:57.720 --> 0:08:59.480 something like that, And that would be kind of clay 0:08:59.520 --> 0:09:01.560 Locks been open for a few years. I could be wrong, 0:09:01.600 --> 0:09:04.760 but I'm pretty sure it's been closed for a long time. Yeah. 0:09:05.000 --> 0:09:07.080 So yeah, the first time, so you're in the Gray 0:09:07.120 --> 0:09:11.520 area in Grays Harbor, Grays Harbor, The first time I 0:09:11.520 --> 0:09:13.600 ever came out here was you know what, that's not true, man, 0:09:13.640 --> 0:09:16.520 because when I lived in Western Montana, we used to 0:09:16.640 --> 0:09:19.199 come out on a Friday. We used to drive out 0:09:19.240 --> 0:09:25.000 on a Friday, just to go drinking in town. Wake 0:09:25.080 --> 0:09:29.800 up Saturday morning, go out to dig steamers and shock 0:09:29.880 --> 0:09:34.680 oysters and maybe catch some flatfish from the beach. And 0:09:34.679 --> 0:09:36.600 then on Sunday, wake up and drive back to western 0:09:36.640 --> 0:09:40.320 Montana and like Canal though, and I was back in 0:09:40.360 --> 0:09:42.880 the area when we just drive places for really no reason, 0:09:43.360 --> 0:09:48.960 which is kind of like wanderlust man just insane. Yeah, 0:09:50.000 --> 0:09:52.920 Olympic Peninsula. Yes, you go back home with like six 0:09:52.960 --> 0:09:58.520 oysters in a sack on ice. Dat him. We'd eat 0:09:58.559 --> 0:10:00.800 him on the camp on the beach to eat the oysters. 0:10:01.720 --> 0:10:05.120 The western side of Hood Canal. Yeah, and in that 0:10:05.280 --> 0:10:08.120 area Hood Canal was that the rules. I don't know 0:10:08.120 --> 0:10:10.640 if they've changed. You you had to shock them on 0:10:10.679 --> 0:10:14.480 the beach because the oysters, you know, there's ten more 0:10:14.840 --> 0:10:17.439 stuck to his shell. It's like picking mushrooms. You'd leave 0:10:17.440 --> 0:10:20.840 the spore. Basically, Yes, we'd go dig Manila's or you 0:10:20.840 --> 0:10:24.920 know steamers. We'd go dig steamers, and then we would 0:10:25.880 --> 0:10:28.600 go out and shock oysters off the beach. And then 0:10:28.679 --> 0:10:32.120 now and then we'd flick out catch some little sand 0:10:32.160 --> 0:10:35.760 d abs or you know, some sort of flatfish. Oh, 0:10:35.840 --> 0:10:40.319 and then we we'd uh crab either setting pots out 0:10:40.320 --> 0:10:43.280 of a little teeny uh out of a little teeny canoe, 0:10:43.760 --> 0:10:46.559 or we would just throw them off piers and whatnot 0:10:46.640 --> 0:10:50.120 a ring get rock crabs and Dungee's crank right ring 0:10:50.320 --> 0:10:54.400 with rings which crabbing used to be epic on the 0:10:54.440 --> 0:10:57.960 canal and it's pretty much non existing. We do it 0:10:58.040 --> 0:11:03.560 right in town too, man, We do right. Yeah, so 0:11:03.600 --> 0:11:06.959 you people have anymore? Really is a Northern Hood canal 0:11:07.200 --> 0:11:11.160 across from day Bob Bay, Southern I don't know about. 0:11:11.160 --> 0:11:16.600 It was warmed up, didn't warm too hot that period. 0:11:19.080 --> 0:11:22.160 Stuff happens in that canal. That's an odd place. Oh, 0:11:22.280 --> 0:11:25.360 I gotta introduce Tommy Edson, not to be confused with 0:11:25.400 --> 0:11:30.439 Thomas Edison. That's me, Tommy Edson. We met because when 0:11:30.480 --> 0:11:32.559 you honest, the long period of time, when you honest 0:11:32.600 --> 0:11:38.680 wouldn't make me my perch flies just I don't know, 0:11:39.000 --> 0:11:45.920 like air old grievances. Um he I asked him for. 0:11:46.000 --> 0:11:48.760 I believe it was eighteen months to take three or 0:11:48.800 --> 0:11:51.880 four minutes out of his day, you know, and he 0:11:51.880 --> 0:11:55.520 wouldn't do it. And I remember, in fact, and I 0:11:55.679 --> 0:12:00.880 think she was on the subject. Uh still hasn't got 0:12:00.920 --> 0:12:05.280 your flies, you know, Broti made some and Tommy Edson 0:12:05.360 --> 0:12:08.959 made me some. That's how I met Tommy. We have 0:12:09.640 --> 0:12:11.840 usually think you were a man of such a steel 0:12:11.920 --> 0:12:18.120 trap memory, but it seems like it's been failing. Didn't 0:12:18.120 --> 0:12:22.120 busted him out during a podcast. Oh you're right. I'm sorry, Greg. 0:12:22.800 --> 0:12:25.800 I think so much emotional damage had been done. But 0:12:25.960 --> 0:12:29.520 then it was like it was like a small come 0:12:29.600 --> 0:12:31.680 up and so I'm sorry to make it, but Tommy 0:12:31.679 --> 0:12:32.880 made them for me, and we want to have a 0:12:32.960 --> 0:12:37.360 mutual acquaintances in the fishing world. Yeah, the guys from 0:12:37.360 --> 0:12:46.280 the Old Northwest Wild Country Show Joel bill Um and 0:12:47.000 --> 0:12:53.360 we have fished surf perch, cropp ease, yellow perch, picked 0:12:53.400 --> 0:13:01.360 up a couple from and bullfrogs together. Oh, but to 0:13:01.440 --> 0:13:03.920 return here. So the first time I came out here 0:13:04.000 --> 0:13:08.360 as a as a responsible grown up was to come 0:13:08.360 --> 0:13:12.840 out for razor claiming. And that makes you Razor claiming 0:13:12.880 --> 0:13:16.400 makes you like proud to be an American man because 0:13:16.600 --> 0:13:22.120 the huge variety of individuals. The only thing that all 0:13:22.160 --> 0:13:24.480 those people that dig clams on a clam tied have 0:13:24.559 --> 0:13:28.560 in common is that they like there are like it's 0:13:28.600 --> 0:13:32.520 so many people from so many walks of life and 0:13:32.559 --> 0:13:38.480 out so like such a like vast disparities of outdoor experience, 0:13:39.679 --> 0:13:44.480 and they're bound by wanting to dig clams in the 0:13:44.520 --> 0:13:46.920 coast out here. When you go out to the coast here, 0:13:46.960 --> 0:13:49.840 it's like you look left and it's just the same thing, 0:13:50.280 --> 0:13:52.480 and you look right and it's the same thing. To 0:13:52.679 --> 0:13:59.920 infinity on either side, speckled with the same concentration of individuals, 0:14:01.640 --> 0:14:03.920 and the and the beach is so gradual that you 0:14:03.960 --> 0:14:06.440 can't there's no pitch to it, you know, one of 0:14:06.440 --> 0:14:09.160 the tides out up but up at like you know, 0:14:09.240 --> 0:14:15.280 more crocks at the flattest beach in the world. And 0:14:15.360 --> 0:14:17.720 it's just got the scattering of people of about Like 0:14:17.720 --> 0:14:20.320 if you imagine the hotel room, a hotel room probably 0:14:20.320 --> 0:14:23.560 have what six seven people in it, right at tideline 0:14:24.240 --> 0:14:27.040 to an infinity in one direction and to an infinity 0:14:27.080 --> 0:14:32.280 in direction, just people happily digging, digging. Razor claims, just 0:14:32.480 --> 0:14:38.200 eyes down looking for the dimples, the dimple, Like, how 0:14:38.240 --> 0:14:44.240 would you even explain the dimple? Like I don't even 0:14:44.280 --> 0:14:47.240 know how I explained it to you took a photograph, 0:14:47.280 --> 0:14:49.240 what what would you be seeing? And talking about what 0:14:49.240 --> 0:14:50.840 you'd see if you took a photograph and what you 0:14:50.880 --> 0:14:54.720 see in real time if you took a photograph, you 0:14:54.720 --> 0:14:57.200 would see that if I took it, I mean, he's 0:14:57.280 --> 0:14:59.520 golf because I know you love it a golf ball. 0:15:00.280 --> 0:15:05.640 I'm following and dropped it from what jimmy a foot 0:15:05.720 --> 0:15:12.880 off foot into this end and then but it's ephemeral. Yeah, 0:15:13.040 --> 0:15:19.760 so it's yeah. So so you see this little tiny 0:15:20.400 --> 0:15:25.040 dimple there, but very in real mud or covered with mud, 0:15:25.520 --> 0:15:30.880 and in real time that dimple would be thousand one 0:15:32.200 --> 0:15:35.280 moving slightly, it would be filling in slightly, I guess 0:15:35.280 --> 0:15:39.400 you say, gets suctioning down the dimple last such a 0:15:39.480 --> 0:15:43.960 short amount of time that you can't really you're never 0:15:44.120 --> 0:15:47.600 really sure you saw it exactly like it's it's there, 0:15:47.640 --> 0:15:50.360 and then it's gone with the with the water. Yeah, 0:15:50.360 --> 0:15:53.240 so it would be like like a normal dimple lifespan 0:15:54.480 --> 0:15:56.680 with the Yeah, with the water, I'll be like. But 0:15:56.800 --> 0:16:00.480 I think that's the difference of being having a sharp 0:16:00.560 --> 0:16:05.040 eye for clams or just me in your average razor clamber, 0:16:05.560 --> 0:16:09.120 because there's some that are clearly like there's a clam there, 0:16:09.920 --> 0:16:13.160 and then there's some that they don't show nearly as much, 0:16:13.200 --> 0:16:18.280 but there's a clam there. So that's where the experience 0:16:19.600 --> 0:16:23.560 comes into. Every time he moves, you're tracking out, so 0:16:23.600 --> 0:16:25.840 it's sucking. So if you sit there long enough with 0:16:25.960 --> 0:16:30.120 a dimple reform and the same clam like, and then 0:16:30.120 --> 0:16:32.640 the minute later he moves again and the dimple comes back, 0:16:34.480 --> 0:16:38.080 you know, and then you get to surf washing over 0:16:38.440 --> 0:16:41.000 in the sand. And those things are fast. I mean, 0:16:41.040 --> 0:16:43.240 I don't know how they move once they go down, 0:16:43.360 --> 0:16:46.440 but I think they don't move, just like in a 0:16:46.560 --> 0:16:53.000 vertical colum. They don't they go, and which is why 0:16:53.040 --> 0:16:56.120 you crush and you why you want to go in 0:16:56.280 --> 0:17:00.280 at an angle. Well, we gotta explain more. So let 0:17:00.360 --> 0:17:04.400 me just say this. A razor clam is a big 0:17:04.480 --> 0:17:07.400 gass razor clam is not as big as the bill 0:17:07.480 --> 0:17:13.520 on a baseball hat. Way smaller, not way smaller. A 0:17:13.680 --> 0:17:16.359 big razor clam is if you took a regular bottle 0:17:16.440 --> 0:17:23.480 of beer and busted off the neck. Average size about 0:17:23.520 --> 0:17:26.800 that about yea big. And it's the kind of clam 0:17:26.880 --> 0:17:28.840 that when he closes his shell, it doesn't contain him, 0:17:29.440 --> 0:17:32.320 and in fact, he's sort of moving beyond his shell 0:17:33.040 --> 0:17:37.760 because he's just got a very fragile shell. And when 0:17:37.800 --> 0:17:42.040 he closes it up. It's like a thick sandwich, and 0:17:42.280 --> 0:17:44.200 the shells are sort of like the bread, right, and 0:17:44.240 --> 0:17:46.359 when you look at the one side and the other side, 0:17:46.440 --> 0:17:47.960 he's just in there like he can't even fit in 0:17:48.040 --> 0:17:51.159 his shell. He's got a big neck sticking out. The 0:17:51.280 --> 0:17:56.480 diggers always out and the digger's eyes out. Yeah, and 0:17:56.520 --> 0:17:58.080 the neck kind of like the neck doesn't fit in 0:17:58.080 --> 0:18:02.400 there very well either, those diggers, is it, Yeah, you're 0:18:04.640 --> 0:18:09.040 always out they like uh, they like they don't like uh. 0:18:10.160 --> 0:18:16.159 They're not in gravel. They're in like just fine fine sand. 0:18:17.359 --> 0:18:21.680 You know you call it sand sand. It's like like 0:18:21.800 --> 0:18:25.560 a yeah, like a tropical beach sand, like what you 0:18:25.600 --> 0:18:29.399 would want to walk on in that stuff. And they 0:18:29.560 --> 0:18:32.480 hang out around in in the littoral zone. You gotta 0:18:32.480 --> 0:18:36.280 know that word. I do not. It's where this like 0:18:36.400 --> 0:18:38.600 the sea meats of land, like the where the wave 0:18:38.680 --> 0:18:42.119 action plays out, the littoral zone. They hang out in 0:18:42.160 --> 0:18:45.600 there and you sort of follow the tide out and 0:18:46.160 --> 0:18:49.480 you got a clam gun or a clam shovel, and 0:18:49.640 --> 0:18:52.639 you study the ground for these ephemeral little dimples at 0:18:52.720 --> 0:18:57.320 form and vanish stick a clam gun, and a clamgun 0:18:57.680 --> 0:18:59.800 is like a what do you think what's the diameter 0:18:59.880 --> 0:19:06.080 on a clam gun? Are they like five inches? So 0:19:06.240 --> 0:19:08.440 five six diameter two with a hand with a t 0:19:08.680 --> 0:19:11.359 handle on it, and you jam that thumbits down the 0:19:11.440 --> 0:19:15.560 mud right on top of where the dimple. You center 0:19:15.640 --> 0:19:19.200 the dimple on the gun and then tip it. And 0:19:19.280 --> 0:19:21.280 I've heard both. I've heard tip it towards short and 0:19:21.320 --> 0:19:24.880 i've heard tip it towards the ocean. But I think 0:19:24.920 --> 0:19:29.359 you tipped towards I think tipping towards shore to not 0:19:30.160 --> 0:19:32.720 cut the clam in half with the clam gun, yeah, 0:19:32.800 --> 0:19:36.960 which happens at all too often, but you're not supposing. 0:19:37.000 --> 0:19:39.680 But you gotta keep your busters. Yeah. So then there's 0:19:39.720 --> 0:19:41.760 like this little air there's this little air escape hole 0:19:41.800 --> 0:19:43.760 and that clamgun. Because then you shove the gun down, 0:19:43.880 --> 0:19:46.359 it compresses the air and so or you know, shoves 0:19:46.400 --> 0:19:49.600 the air out and you sink it down until it's 0:19:49.760 --> 0:19:51.600 buried in the mud. Then you plug the air home 0:19:51.720 --> 0:19:54.280 pull out and that pulls the whole slug of mud out. 0:19:54.640 --> 0:19:57.359 What your cylinders about what foot and a half two 0:19:57.400 --> 0:20:07.359 ft eight you're shoving down. The air needs to escape 0:20:07.400 --> 0:20:10.760 the tube, but to make suction you just then plug 0:20:10.800 --> 0:20:12.640 it's like a little trigger hole. You plug that little 0:20:12.640 --> 0:20:15.600 trigger hole and you pull the whole kitten caboodle up. 0:20:16.080 --> 0:20:18.760 You're pulling a course sample out of the ground, taking 0:20:19.040 --> 0:20:22.720 sample time half the time. You dump it out and 0:20:22.760 --> 0:20:24.879 the clam is not there. And then you jump in 0:20:24.960 --> 0:20:27.240 and sink your arm into the up to the armpit 0:20:28.119 --> 0:20:31.439 in the hole, or you double punch, like pull up 0:20:31.480 --> 0:20:34.239 some inches there, cramped back down in there, and then 0:20:34.280 --> 0:20:36.600 you get it good. Then pull them up and you 0:20:36.680 --> 0:20:38.760 catch them. Or you jump down and sink your arm 0:20:38.840 --> 0:20:41.560 up to the armpit and area is down in there. 0:20:41.880 --> 0:20:48.000 Cut your hand on them, cut your hand, pull them up, 0:20:48.160 --> 0:20:51.840 and there he is, and you're allowed fifteen And it's 0:20:51.840 --> 0:20:53.560 the first fifteen that come out of the ground. They 0:20:53.600 --> 0:20:56.200 don't want your high grading them, and they don't want 0:20:56.240 --> 0:20:58.760 your discarding them, but people do anyway, and so pretty 0:20:58.800 --> 0:21:01.600 soon it's seagulls all over eating busted up razor clams 0:21:02.400 --> 0:21:04.720 and it's a hoot man, and they kind of open 0:21:04.800 --> 0:21:08.200 it just sporadically, like a weekend here, a day there, 0:21:08.840 --> 0:21:13.960 and it's usually the PM, the PM low tide. Yeah, 0:21:14.040 --> 0:21:17.119 the PM low tide. Have you done it in the 0:21:17.200 --> 0:21:22.040 evening with lantern because I take my kids. I've done 0:21:22.040 --> 0:21:24.200 it in the evening. It's real fun. I feel like 0:21:24.240 --> 0:21:27.560 you'd lose children at night. You have them hold the lantern. 0:21:28.280 --> 0:21:30.919 That's a good chore. Tony. We were out with kids 0:21:31.200 --> 0:21:34.280 and you had your youngest in one of those backpack 0:21:34.400 --> 0:21:37.800 carriers but not strafed in and you bent over to 0:21:37.880 --> 0:21:40.560 work or clam and the kid come out the carrier. 0:21:40.640 --> 0:21:42.280 She kept trying to reach down out of the carrier 0:21:42.320 --> 0:21:45.159 tograph the clam. So I don't come over like this, 0:21:45.359 --> 0:21:47.480 and she would. She would come out of the backpack 0:21:47.600 --> 0:21:49.680 trying to reach out to and she came out of 0:21:49.680 --> 0:21:54.480 the carrier right in the surf. Just just there's like 0:21:54.600 --> 0:21:55.919 you go out there on the rough day and as 0:21:56.000 --> 0:21:59.000 his kids washing back and forth, it's hard to get 0:21:59.040 --> 0:22:01.200 any clams because trying to pull your kids out of 0:22:01.200 --> 0:22:07.080 the surf. You gotta watch him. But then the last 0:22:07.160 --> 0:22:09.280 clam and we did the last razor clam we did, 0:22:09.359 --> 0:22:12.440 we went out and it was just like zero wind 0:22:13.600 --> 0:22:16.320 and so you weren't plagued by all the waves coming 0:22:16.359 --> 0:22:19.960 in and wiping all the shows away. You know, it 0:22:20.119 --> 0:22:23.240 was just out and then we were just limited no time. 0:22:23.400 --> 0:22:25.280 But what's funny is my kid. I tell him we'll 0:22:25.280 --> 0:22:28.760 go count him. So he goes up the beach and 0:22:28.880 --> 0:22:31.399 dumps them all out, and then all of a sudden, 0:22:31.400 --> 0:22:34.640 I see him running around screaming and pannikin because all 0:22:34.720 --> 0:22:38.439 the clams just immediately started going back into the crowd 0:22:39.480 --> 0:22:41.320 and I couldn't tell what He's jumping up and down, 0:22:41.440 --> 0:22:43.920 waving his heart and yelled at the box. I realized 0:22:44.280 --> 0:22:48.399 that all our clams are making a break, which totally 0:22:48.520 --> 0:22:50.800 shocked it. Man, he had no idea what to makeup. 0:22:52.000 --> 0:22:54.040 Did you lose anybody? Not that bad? I don't know 0:22:54.359 --> 0:22:56.480 that is. I don't think we Actually we just had 0:22:56.520 --> 0:22:58.720 to let go gram back up there trying to get away. 0:22:58.760 --> 0:23:00.760 We just kind of scooped We scoop them all back out. 0:23:01.400 --> 0:23:02.879 But that day it was so good there was no 0:23:03.080 --> 0:23:07.400 risk of running out of them. Then. Uh. The other 0:23:07.440 --> 0:23:09.800 activity that I got it out here was hold on, 0:23:09.880 --> 0:23:16.320 what's your normal preparation for those man clam strips? Like 0:23:16.520 --> 0:23:18.960 classic going to a restaurant and get clamped, but kind 0:23:18.960 --> 0:23:22.199 of like a thinking man's clam strip, not like uh 0:23:22.960 --> 0:23:25.560 where you know you picture going into restaurant order and 0:23:25.600 --> 0:23:27.879 clam strips and you get down eating them and then 0:23:27.920 --> 0:23:30.080 there's just like the bottom of the baskets full of 0:23:30.119 --> 0:23:33.600 a bunch of breading clumps, but aren't like that. I 0:23:34.320 --> 0:23:40.560 gently dust them. I take all the diggers and fry those. 0:23:41.040 --> 0:23:43.600 And then I take the remaining portion of the clam, 0:23:43.640 --> 0:23:47.000 which I don't I don't know what it's called, and 0:23:47.119 --> 0:23:50.480 I dice it and I make chowder out of that. Dude, 0:23:50.520 --> 0:23:54.120 the things you pull out of those things stomachs is insane. 0:23:55.080 --> 0:23:57.240 I've never paid too much attention to it. Well, there's 0:23:57.400 --> 0:24:01.680 there's seaworms in there, baby crabs in there. Definitely seen 0:24:01.760 --> 0:24:04.360 baby crabs. Never seen that. It's been a long time 0:24:05.240 --> 0:24:08.399 up Like they siphen up some some crazy stuff. Man, 0:24:08.440 --> 0:24:10.359 it's not like a normal little steamer. It's just like 0:24:10.520 --> 0:24:12.800 filter feeding. I mean, they're filt like they are, but 0:24:12.880 --> 0:24:15.840 they're sucking up stuff. Lots of chunks of seaworm and 0:24:16.000 --> 0:24:19.280 lots of little teeny crabs that that razor clam is 0:24:19.320 --> 0:24:21.679 sucking up, and there's a ton of meat on one. 0:24:21.760 --> 0:24:25.480 They're so good, like the little beech crabs or the 0:24:25.600 --> 0:24:31.840 sand crabs. It's just you know, it's it's a crab 0:24:31.960 --> 0:24:35.280 the size of your pinky nail. They're good hung up 0:24:35.320 --> 0:24:38.320 in cold smoke too. Yeah, they're good like that. I 0:24:38.359 --> 0:24:40.200 have a Yeah, I have a friend that does that. 0:24:40.359 --> 0:24:42.520 I've never done it, but I've eaten his and they're delicious. 0:24:42.920 --> 0:24:44.760 So what I've done with them is do like a 0:24:44.840 --> 0:24:47.520 thinking man's clam strip, which by that I mean not 0:24:47.720 --> 0:24:52.720 like that crazy Doughey. You in general don't like a 0:24:54.960 --> 0:24:59.320 batter heavy breading. Don't like batter. I like gentle breading. 0:25:00.160 --> 0:25:02.800 My buddy Henry turned me out. He using bisquick work 0:25:02.880 --> 0:25:05.280 like a change. Yeah, we're great, but not like you're 0:25:05.280 --> 0:25:07.920 not doing an egg wash, just actually quick bisquick. And 0:25:07.960 --> 0:25:13.760 then it was just yeah, and it was fantastic. You 0:25:13.840 --> 0:25:15.560 know what, we'll put that out to Henry Miller Fill 0:25:15.600 --> 0:25:18.400 put that in the show notes. Uh, Tony just sent 0:25:18.440 --> 0:25:20.159 me a nice picture of us out clam with a 0:25:20.200 --> 0:25:26.360 bunch of kids who are will in five minutes be soaked. Yeah, 0:25:26.920 --> 0:25:30.919 the crime to the dumping right before the clamity. Yeah. Um, 0:25:31.160 --> 0:25:33.400 would it work to just drag around a big inner 0:25:33.480 --> 0:25:36.600 tube with a kid stuck in it? Like, No, it's 0:25:36.640 --> 0:25:39.920 just too much surf. That would never work. That would 0:25:39.960 --> 0:25:44.680 never work. So yeah, I do that. I guess there's 0:25:44.720 --> 0:25:47.240 like three main things I do. I'll come on and 0:25:47.359 --> 0:25:49.159 clean them all, and you gotta get rid of the 0:25:49.200 --> 0:25:51.520 gut on him, because the guts the only part you 0:25:51.560 --> 0:25:55.360 don't eat on him. Really. Then I will put him 0:25:55.400 --> 0:26:00.159 in a vacuum bag. The ones I'm gonna keep. Just 0:26:00.280 --> 0:26:01.720 put a bunch of them in a vacuum bag and 0:26:01.760 --> 0:26:04.640 it makes the nicest little flat little pack of the clams. 0:26:04.720 --> 0:26:06.159 And I'll freeze them like that, and I have some 0:26:06.240 --> 0:26:09.400 of my freezer now and then um in vaccine them 0:26:09.440 --> 0:26:14.480 in there, and then I do them in pasta, so 0:26:14.680 --> 0:26:18.360 like you're like classic Linguini kind of right buttery clam 0:26:18.480 --> 0:26:24.080 sauce thing. And then my wife likes clam chowder, so 0:26:24.200 --> 0:26:29.159 I will make Manhattan chowder, which is red, New England 0:26:29.200 --> 0:26:34.680 showder which is white, or a combo that's kind of 0:26:34.680 --> 0:26:37.639 a little bit of both. But I prefer to on 0:26:37.720 --> 0:26:41.040 a clam I caught. I prefer to make the Manhattan 0:26:41.040 --> 0:26:44.720 showder because it doesn't like hide your clam in a 0:26:44.800 --> 0:26:51.359 white pasty glue. Yeah, I mean, because like you want 0:26:51.400 --> 0:26:52.879 through all the trouble to dig the things up right. 0:26:52.920 --> 0:26:54.240 You want to like you want to look intore and 0:26:54.280 --> 0:26:56.479 be like, well, there's the clams. Yeah. So that's why 0:26:56.520 --> 0:26:59.560 I like like the Red Manhattan showder I enjoy razor 0:26:59.600 --> 0:27:02.439 clams so much just eating him, like you said, fried 0:27:03.160 --> 0:27:05.639 in really anyway. But I felt like it was almost 0:27:05.680 --> 0:27:07.680 a waste to make chowder out of him. Yeah, well 0:27:07.800 --> 0:27:09.960 my wife like chowder. Yeah, no, I do too, but 0:27:10.040 --> 0:27:15.400 it's like there's other claims and then take the chew 0:27:16.480 --> 0:27:18.000 and make the cher I never thought of that. That's 0:27:18.000 --> 0:27:19.480 a good idea. How do you cold smoke it? What 0:27:19.480 --> 0:27:22.280 do you mean? You know he doesn't. I'm assuming he 0:27:22.400 --> 0:27:24.959 brindes them up, but I remember him bringing him out 0:27:25.000 --> 0:27:27.840 on fishing trips and whatnot, and they were just these big, beautiful, 0:27:28.760 --> 0:27:32.680 smoked up razor clams, you know, that were just intact, 0:27:33.200 --> 0:27:35.600 you know, not cut up into strips or anything. And 0:27:35.680 --> 0:27:42.160 they were nice, man. No, not as strong as an oyster, 0:27:42.280 --> 0:27:45.040 you know, more like they still they retain their flavor, 0:27:46.440 --> 0:27:50.040 you know, but there they were good. They were really good. Yeah. 0:27:50.160 --> 0:27:52.240 All the razor clams that have Doug have all been 0:27:52.720 --> 0:27:55.920 on the same couple of beaches out here. What I 0:27:56.040 --> 0:28:03.040 used to think with the Peninsula and that man hanging 0:28:03.040 --> 0:28:06.720 out in the Harvard this whole time, Yeah, kind of 0:28:06.920 --> 0:28:08.800 I'm gonna go around to my neighbors who I bring 0:28:08.920 --> 0:28:11.199 clams to coast. I'm gonna go and say, hey, man, 0:28:11.280 --> 0:28:12.840 you know what. You know how I told you where 0:28:12.840 --> 0:28:14.560 I got those, It's not where I got them. They've 0:28:14.560 --> 0:28:16.920 probably been driving up and down the Olympic Peninsula looking 0:28:16.960 --> 0:28:21.119 for a beach and all I can find is the oysters. 0:28:22.640 --> 0:28:24.680 I've only been to the one. Is it. I always 0:28:24.720 --> 0:28:32.240 call it mo Rocks, but I'm sounding Clips Clips. The 0:28:32.359 --> 0:28:35.080 town is mo Clips, the beach and beach. So when 0:28:35.080 --> 0:28:37.879 you're checking the clam tides, and yeah, you go in 0:28:37.960 --> 0:28:40.720 the rocks. If you type in like like razor clam, 0:28:41.200 --> 0:28:43.560 you're going to You're going to Google and type razor 0:28:43.640 --> 0:28:45.360 clam season or whatever. It just takes you to that 0:28:45.440 --> 0:28:47.000 page or tells you what's coming up, and it'll be 0:28:47.040 --> 0:28:49.680 like the breakdowns are simple. All the different beaches, the 0:28:49.760 --> 0:28:51.800 days are open. And we went out there one time, 0:28:52.040 --> 0:28:54.120 me and my wife and our three kids came out 0:28:54.160 --> 0:28:57.719 to hit a clam tide and stayed in that Ocean 0:28:57.800 --> 0:29:01.960 Shores hotel. And it's a big place, and I'm telling 0:29:01.960 --> 0:29:05.160 you what, like about two hours for lower tide, every 0:29:05.240 --> 0:29:07.320 hotel door opens up and people walk out of their 0:29:07.320 --> 0:29:10.520 hotel rooms and hit Boots to be a cleaning person 0:29:10.600 --> 0:29:14.200 at that hotel would be hell. Yeah, that wouldn't be 0:29:14.240 --> 0:29:17.320 a party because the amount of mud and sand. And 0:29:17.360 --> 0:29:20.960 then everyone goes down and it's like this giant tailgate party. 0:29:21.440 --> 0:29:23.320 That's the kind of tailgate. And I could get involved 0:29:23.360 --> 0:29:27.480 in people sitting around on the tailgates drinking beer is 0:29:28.000 --> 0:29:31.800 getting ready to or having just dug up clas Like 0:29:31.840 --> 0:29:33.720 I said, man, it makes you like really happy to 0:29:33.760 --> 0:29:36.800 be American to go clam digging, especially if it's like 0:29:37.160 --> 0:29:40.920 it is now and in Washington beaches you can drive 0:29:40.960 --> 0:29:45.120 on the beach, so it's nice like Oregon tons, but 0:29:45.240 --> 0:29:54.200 you can't got to pack in. But that's the thing 0:29:54.280 --> 0:29:57.840 to make it. That's kind of a that's a good 0:29:57.880 --> 0:29:59.880 point because like it seems like a low tide that 0:30:00.080 --> 0:30:02.880 waters out there a mile and then you got a 0:30:02.920 --> 0:30:05.480 park in a parking lot or a little roundabout somewheres 0:30:05.480 --> 0:30:07.560 across the dune, and then you got another mile to 0:30:07.640 --> 0:30:12.560 go with kids, you know, and the kids love it 0:30:12.680 --> 0:30:15.080 driving up down the beach. Yeah, I love it. I 0:30:15.160 --> 0:30:18.080 love it. And your part, Yeah, it's like a Walmart 0:30:18.160 --> 0:30:21.240 parking lot that never ends. If everyone from the ten 0:30:21.360 --> 0:30:24.040 Walmart's all had to park in the line down the beach. 0:30:25.360 --> 0:30:27.480 It's the only time I'm glad to see other people 0:30:27.560 --> 0:30:30.880 out doing what I'm doing normally, like someone else got 0:30:30.960 --> 0:30:33.640 here first. Yeah, but there it's like, oh yeah, man, 0:30:33.640 --> 0:30:35.360 I wonder why that is. You're right, I feel that 0:30:35.400 --> 0:30:38.600 way too. Well, there's plenty to go around. Yeah, it's 0:30:38.640 --> 0:30:42.400 just so much room. So Jimmy, you go a fair bit. 0:30:42.720 --> 0:30:44.360 I've been a few times, but I've only been to 0:30:44.400 --> 0:30:47.160 the one beach that I've been mispronouncing now for several years. 0:30:47.200 --> 0:30:49.240 We don't feel too I called it mow Rocks, but 0:30:49.320 --> 0:30:54.880 it's not mow Rocks. It's so anyways. They're on the 0:30:55.440 --> 0:30:58.360 Fishing Game website. It'll it's really pretty clear and easy 0:30:58.400 --> 0:31:00.400 to navigate and get through, and they tell you when 0:31:00.400 --> 0:31:02.080 it's going to be open. Well, it's the only rag. 0:31:02.240 --> 0:31:04.080 It's the only rag in the world. It's easy. Yeah, 0:31:04.120 --> 0:31:07.120 it seemed pretty simple and it's it's very user friendly 0:31:07.240 --> 0:31:10.040 that part of the red. Yeah. If you don't like 0:31:10.120 --> 0:31:12.960 to dig raised claims, you can suck it. Man. It's 0:31:13.040 --> 0:31:16.280 like it's just like just like the funnest thing in 0:31:16.320 --> 0:31:21.400 the world. Second qualifying questions, Yeah, no, I hate it. 0:31:21.520 --> 0:31:24.200 It's a lot anything not gonna be your friends. And 0:31:24.280 --> 0:31:27.240 he used to go to the beach. Yeah. Then the 0:31:27.320 --> 0:31:33.680 second thing I got into was surf perch. And then 0:31:33.760 --> 0:31:36.160 you're Tommy Edson. You're the first guy met that was 0:31:36.240 --> 0:31:39.160 like really self identified as a surf perch like fish 0:31:39.200 --> 0:31:42.120 surf perch man. I always have like these guys. For 0:31:42.240 --> 0:31:44.440 the guys that work with like your honest, I would 0:31:44.480 --> 0:31:48.640 just say my surf perch mentor oh, and they would 0:31:48.680 --> 0:31:51.720 know who I was talking about. It was just always 0:31:51.760 --> 0:31:54.200 something to do when you were at the coast, either 0:31:54.280 --> 0:31:56.560 digging clams or you know, we'd run out to the coast, 0:31:57.240 --> 0:31:59.760 like me and Tony discussed yesterday, we'd run out the 0:31:59.760 --> 0:32:02.240 coast fishing salmon or steelhead and all the rivers are punishable. 0:32:02.240 --> 0:32:04.360 What are we gonna do. We're gonna go catch a boat. 0:32:04.360 --> 0:32:05.920 We're gonna go catch cooler full of the surf perch 0:32:07.160 --> 0:32:10.920 firs go fish surf perch or that. That's kind of 0:32:11.000 --> 0:32:13.800 what we do. And then I discovered the combo because 0:32:13.840 --> 0:32:19.320 surf perch open years season fifteen surf perch to day 0:32:20.120 --> 0:32:23.200 and it's they're always there. Yeah, Like I've never had 0:32:23.240 --> 0:32:26.680 a day where I yesterday was. Yesterday was pretty sucky 0:32:26.760 --> 0:32:29.000 when I thought it, but I thought it was below par. 0:32:29.120 --> 0:32:31.520 It was below part. It was below of what I expected, 0:32:31.600 --> 0:32:34.400 but it wasn't poor by any means. We came out, 0:32:34.760 --> 0:32:40.560 We came out and surf perched on Christmas Eve something 0:32:40.600 --> 0:32:43.160 like that, No, and I thought that would be no 0:32:44.040 --> 0:32:46.760 December December, and I thought we'd come out and it 0:32:46.760 --> 0:32:50.160 would just be like llaciously nasty, which I did too. 0:32:50.440 --> 0:32:53.080 It was cold, I remember that. But walked out there, 0:32:54.000 --> 0:32:58.720 that cold, windy and you walk out and it's like 0:32:58.800 --> 0:33:04.640 the most like unforgiving atmosphere where it's just like pounding surf, 0:33:05.120 --> 0:33:10.120 salt spray cold, and you're like why and what self 0:33:10.200 --> 0:33:15.760 respecting fish would possibly be and that churning froth and 0:33:15.840 --> 0:33:19.720 you go down there and hook out um gulp saying 0:33:19.760 --> 0:33:22.280 what gulp sand worm? Or I was I threw some. 0:33:22.760 --> 0:33:25.680 I threw some razor clam next that morning, I was saying, 0:33:26.440 --> 0:33:31.320 I think razor clams were good with bait like that, 0:33:31.840 --> 0:33:34.360 as you end up getting crabs too, and the crabs 0:33:34.400 --> 0:33:36.560 will just pick at your stuff because you do pull 0:33:36.680 --> 0:33:40.920 you do crabs. The gulfs work really will. But to 0:33:41.040 --> 0:33:51.280 flick out into that churning, god forsaken froth and fish. Yep, yeah, 0:33:51.320 --> 0:33:56.360 that's how the knocking on the door. Yeah, yep. The 0:33:56.440 --> 0:33:59.200 big ones are just like a little miniature takedown in 0:33:59.280 --> 0:34:00.880 your hand. They just kind of hit it and don't 0:34:01.200 --> 0:34:03.760 you know, they grab it, turn its went away. I 0:34:03.840 --> 0:34:09.480 got um the bait. I've only ever used one thing 0:34:09.600 --> 0:34:12.360 for bait because it stays on you. And I've experienced 0:34:12.360 --> 0:34:16.239 with all kinds of stuff. What's the bag? Say, what 0:34:16.280 --> 0:34:19.440 do you mean on a gold sand word? What's the bag? Fishes, 0:34:19.520 --> 0:34:26.399 everything else that wishes, live baits, fishes, all other baits Bayeah, yeah, 0:34:26.440 --> 0:34:30.920 they're good and they're durable fishes, all other bait. Well, 0:34:31.000 --> 0:34:34.759 clearly this is the bait for me. You can, you 0:34:34.840 --> 0:34:37.399 can seriously go spend a very minimal amount of money 0:34:37.480 --> 0:34:40.160 on bait and tackle and have enough to get through 0:34:40.239 --> 0:34:42.880 the entire day of surf perch fishing. It's not snaggy. 0:34:43.000 --> 0:34:45.400 You're not gonna donate a bunch of gears. No, But 0:34:45.440 --> 0:34:47.800 I'll tell you what I'll tell you. What does happen 0:34:48.880 --> 0:34:53.319 is you know, when you're uh squid jigging, I'll lock 0:34:53.440 --> 0:34:57.759 my line off because like, oh, on your reel yeah, 0:34:57.800 --> 0:35:00.400 we'll check this out. So you squid jacken and you 0:35:00.520 --> 0:35:03.480 lock your line off, and uh so that way, when 0:35:03.480 --> 0:35:05.560 you open your bail, your squid jake drops too, like 0:35:05.719 --> 0:35:09.200 inches above the bottom when you're off appier because the 0:35:09.320 --> 0:35:11.920 minute it hits the botmyb're gonna snag. Would I imagine 0:35:11.960 --> 0:35:14.279 to be a carpet of other squid jigs that are 0:35:15.440 --> 0:35:17.640 I think there's one rock and then adventure that rock 0:35:17.760 --> 0:35:20.080 grows into a carpet of squidg It's just a coral 0:35:20.120 --> 0:35:23.320 reef of squid, and so you can't touch the bottom. 0:35:23.680 --> 0:35:25.879 So I lock all my reels off, especially with my kids. 0:35:26.719 --> 0:35:28.920 So you just open the bail and when the line stops, 0:35:29.239 --> 0:35:31.319 the line stops where it's supposed to stop, and it's 0:35:31.320 --> 0:35:35.200 safe to start your stroke there. Well, it was squid 0:35:35.280 --> 0:35:38.880 jigging season, and so I rig everybody up. Um, I 0:35:39.000 --> 0:35:41.000 rig everybody up. You know, you have two ounces of lead, 0:35:41.080 --> 0:35:45.600 one ounce of lead on your surf. Perro and me 0:35:46.120 --> 0:35:49.160 my two brothers kind of spread out, you know, I 0:35:49.280 --> 0:35:51.120 walk one way, they walk their way, and one goes 0:35:51.200 --> 0:35:53.680 down below, and in no time we're all back up 0:35:53.760 --> 0:35:57.720 re rigging. Because the minute you fire that, you fired 0:35:57.719 --> 0:36:04.239 out lead and comes up against that lock off. All 0:36:04.320 --> 0:36:08.600 that stuff just keeps going. And they had to me 0:36:08.680 --> 0:36:11.319 twice yesterday. Man, I did one cast. Yeah, I did 0:36:11.400 --> 0:36:14.799 one cast where my my braid was knotted up by 0:36:14.840 --> 0:36:17.920 my spool re rigged came out into our cast. One 0:36:17.920 --> 0:36:21.680 of those ones where you accidentally were somehow it hooks 0:36:21.719 --> 0:36:25.040 onto something like close your bail up and sent my 0:36:25.160 --> 0:36:28.920 rig off into the outer space it arrived in Japan. 0:36:28.960 --> 0:36:30.760 I used to do that to a lot of giant 0:36:30.920 --> 0:36:34.360 nightcrawlers and then my granddad would fuss at me, what 0:36:34.400 --> 0:36:36.320 do you mean because it would just be out pan fishing, 0:36:36.360 --> 0:36:38.320 you know, and instead of clipping off an inch or 0:36:38.360 --> 0:36:40.080 two or whatever you need, and you know, on a 0:36:40.160 --> 0:36:42.520 small like size six hook, I put on like a 0:36:43.200 --> 0:36:47.520 eight ten yeah night color, you know, and as a kid, 0:36:47.600 --> 0:36:51.120 probably didn't weave it on there properly. And then my 0:36:51.200 --> 0:36:55.320 hook would go about eight feet and that night the 0:36:55.440 --> 0:36:58.440 nightclor lands out on my zone. Yeah. That's a big 0:36:58.520 --> 0:37:00.640 kid thing. I think too, is like time they cast, 0:37:00.800 --> 0:37:03.000 like it'll land in a while later the mouth that 0:37:03.160 --> 0:37:07.480 the worm comes touching down somewhere else with. But the 0:37:07.600 --> 0:37:12.200 ones here are red tail, surf perch tail surf purchase 0:37:12.360 --> 0:37:13.839 and it's funny, man, it's like one of those things 0:37:13.880 --> 0:37:16.200 that enough guys go and if you go look online, 0:37:16.440 --> 0:37:20.799 there's like information, but it's not satisfying to research surf 0:37:20.840 --> 0:37:23.160 perch fishing online. No. I don't know if that's the 0:37:23.239 --> 0:37:25.399 thing about guys just stayd tight lipped about it because 0:37:25.440 --> 0:37:27.719 maybe they don't want the company, or it's maybe just 0:37:27.840 --> 0:37:31.040 like lack of interest overall. I don't know, but people 0:37:31.080 --> 0:37:33.319 should be doing it because I mean, we've all seen 0:37:33.360 --> 0:37:36.279 how many miles and expanses of beach there are here. 0:37:36.560 --> 0:37:40.360 I know that's the like I look at like emails 0:37:40.400 --> 0:37:42.680 that come into us and it's just so many guys 0:37:42.840 --> 0:37:45.239 just being like dude, there's so many people and this 0:37:45.440 --> 0:37:47.279 and that and I lost my spot and then no no, 0:37:47.840 --> 0:37:51.280 but then there's like certain things to do like fishing 0:37:51.320 --> 0:37:54.080 surf perch where And I would say that it's not 0:37:54.160 --> 0:37:57.320 fair to say it's an unexploited resource, and it's not. 0:37:57.440 --> 0:37:59.720 I don't know if it's fair to say under exploited resource, 0:37:59.800 --> 0:38:05.279 but it it's just that yeah, right, yes they were 0:38:05.320 --> 0:38:08.759 served perch fishing, and you know, another guy come out 0:38:08.800 --> 0:38:10.640 and give it a take a couple of pokes. There 0:38:10.680 --> 0:38:12.680 was there was a few people out there, but it's 0:38:12.680 --> 0:38:18.239 just kind of concentrated around three or four other guys 0:38:18.280 --> 0:38:20.799 out there. I think I saw a total three dudes 0:38:20.880 --> 0:38:24.200 taking a poke somewhere in the vastness of the beach 0:38:24.320 --> 0:38:27.759 for some brief period of time. But it's not they're 0:38:27.800 --> 0:38:31.560 just not getting pounded. And that day when it was 0:38:31.640 --> 0:38:33.799 really good, and on days out there was really good, 0:38:33.880 --> 0:38:35.320 and you just stay in one spot. So you have 0:38:35.400 --> 0:38:38.520 this beach that goes for you know, miles, miles and 0:38:38.560 --> 0:38:40.960 miles and miles and miles, and you cast out and 0:38:40.960 --> 0:38:42.440 it's like there's no way there's a fish out there. 0:38:42.600 --> 0:38:46.520 And you cast out like there's another one. Do you think, like, man, 0:38:46.600 --> 0:38:49.239 there must be a lot of them. But you can't 0:38:49.280 --> 0:38:51.120 just take them. You can't just cook them like, um, 0:38:53.400 --> 0:38:55.759 they're not as forgiving as a lot of fish. They're 0:38:55.760 --> 0:38:58.080 a little delicate and they're like you just got to 0:38:58.239 --> 0:39:01.239 take a little more care. Like they don't like you 0:39:01.320 --> 0:39:05.239 can't just fry them up like you can rock fish 0:39:05.440 --> 0:39:08.799 or cod or anything like that. You can't like carelessly 0:39:08.880 --> 0:39:10.719 hurl it into a bucket of hot oil and think 0:39:10.760 --> 0:39:12.839 it's gonna be good. It's too delicate, and you talk 0:39:12.840 --> 0:39:15.920 about people like to steam them. Yeah, I did that 0:39:16.120 --> 0:39:20.080 kind of kind of a steamy poach thing. One I 0:39:20.239 --> 0:39:21.920 found the two ways I like to I made the 0:39:21.960 --> 0:39:24.360 mistake one time just sautan them and butter and then 0:39:24.400 --> 0:39:27.040 putting them on pasta with my clam so it's like 0:39:27.080 --> 0:39:31.240 a clam surf perch on pasta and they just fell apart. 0:39:31.680 --> 0:39:33.160 And then my kids didn't like it because they're all 0:39:33.200 --> 0:39:34.840 falling apart. They wanted to pick the fish out, but 0:39:34.840 --> 0:39:37.080 they couldn't pick the fish up because the fish disintegrated. 0:39:37.719 --> 0:39:39.200 Then what I started to do is I would take 0:39:39.239 --> 0:39:46.240 them and take the flames and brush them and olive 0:39:46.280 --> 0:39:50.600 oil season them, put him on a on an oil 0:39:50.760 --> 0:39:53.400 bacon sheet and put them in a four degree of 0:39:54.239 --> 0:39:56.680 and let him sitting there until the edges are starting 0:39:56.680 --> 0:40:03.200 to crip potato that's in. Take my spats them right off, 0:40:03.760 --> 0:40:07.239 and those sons of guns are good. Or what we 0:40:07.320 --> 0:40:11.840 did on Christmas Eve, no Christmas dinner last year is 0:40:13.040 --> 0:40:18.320 scaled him, gutted him, left him a hole, cut scored 0:40:18.400 --> 0:40:21.560 him like caught a caught a the fishes sitting in 0:40:21.640 --> 0:40:24.960 horizontal like the way he belongs. Cut three or four 0:40:25.160 --> 0:40:30.319 vertical gashes in them, fry tholes and peanut oil until 0:40:30.360 --> 0:40:34.080 they're until the fins are just crispy, crisp, crisp, And 0:40:34.160 --> 0:40:36.960 it made like a tide dipping sauce. That sounds that 0:40:37.280 --> 0:40:39.440 was good, and everybody liked that. I bet that was good. 0:40:39.480 --> 0:40:41.319 You end up with all those crispy edges on him, man, 0:40:41.400 --> 0:40:43.120 that's good. Then you just pick it for your kids 0:40:43.160 --> 0:40:46.160 and you get to like it. I like anything whole 0:40:46.239 --> 0:40:51.640 fried like that, especially like surf perch, yellow perch, anything 0:40:51.760 --> 0:40:53.680 like that. Whole fried. Man, if I can whole fry it, 0:40:53.840 --> 0:40:55.919 usually that's what I'll do because I just love eating 0:40:55.960 --> 0:40:59.440 them that way. It's like it's something like picking up 0:40:59.520 --> 0:41:02.080 like a turk legger a drumstick when you get them right. 0:41:02.120 --> 0:41:03.960 I mean, granted, some fish are just too big to 0:41:04.040 --> 0:41:06.480 do it, but some of the bone structures too, Dell 0:41:06.760 --> 0:41:09.719 gills and sun he's and cropp ease and you know, 0:41:09.920 --> 0:41:12.840 smaller surf perch. They all taste the same, man, you 0:41:12.920 --> 0:41:15.600 just gotta keep more of them. Yeah, that they do. 0:41:16.239 --> 0:41:17.719 But then the only problem is some of them the 0:41:17.760 --> 0:41:21.279 bones are too. Yeah, Like I remember the writer Ian 0:41:21.320 --> 0:41:27.040 Fraser was explaining to me, Uh, eating row schad, not 0:41:27.239 --> 0:41:32.400 the role, but American shad, eating whole cooked, whole baked shad. 0:41:33.360 --> 0:41:37.040 And he equated, uh to trying to fix your watch, 0:41:38.400 --> 0:41:42.759 picking the bones like that level of you know, a 0:41:43.719 --> 0:41:45.839 watch apart. It was pressure cooked and it was good, 0:41:45.880 --> 0:41:47.400 but it was like any other fish you would put 0:41:47.400 --> 0:41:51.920 in a pressure cooker, American shad. It would have been 0:41:51.960 --> 0:41:54.160 cooked for I don't know how long in a pressure cooker. 0:41:54.160 --> 0:41:56.040 A friend of mine goes down and catches lots of them, 0:41:56.040 --> 0:41:58.120 and he loves them. Dude, the eggs out of the 0:41:58.160 --> 0:42:00.160 out of a row shad are unbelievable. I think that's 0:42:00.200 --> 0:42:03.240 why I call roll right. Yeah. Well McPhee, John McPhee 0:42:03.280 --> 0:42:08.080 has that book, The Founding Fish, the story. It's the 0:42:08.160 --> 0:42:11.359 traditional way is to just take the whole sack out. 0:42:11.480 --> 0:42:14.839 So I've caught in my life three American shad. One 0:42:14.960 --> 0:42:18.320 happened to be a row chad fighting. One of the 0:42:18.360 --> 0:42:21.360 fighting is fishing out there. This is this in the 0:42:21.400 --> 0:42:24.320 Delaware River. And if anyone knows your Revolutionary war history, 0:42:24.560 --> 0:42:27.520 but this is far above where we're Washington cross the 0:42:27.560 --> 0:42:34.239 Delaware crabbab cha or phenomenal crab baby, oily great crab baby. Yeah, 0:42:34.280 --> 0:42:37.839 the book. Mcfee's book, John mcfee's book, The Founding Fish 0:42:37.920 --> 0:42:40.600 is just sort of like an American history, but about 0:42:40.920 --> 0:42:43.440 that fish, sort of the degree to which people on 0:42:43.480 --> 0:42:46.560 the American coast relied on the shad fishery. And there's 0:42:46.640 --> 0:42:53.720 things in Daniel Boone's biography even where so Daniel Boone, 0:42:54.520 --> 0:43:00.279 someone came and notified, uh knows Daniel Boone's and this 0:43:00.400 --> 0:43:04.640 came from Boone's son later told Daniel Boone's son was 0:43:04.719 --> 0:43:07.360 later interviewed and he was telling a story about his 0:43:07.520 --> 0:43:13.040 father and mother, and the story was that the shad 0:43:13.160 --> 0:43:17.600 were running in Pennsylvania when Boone's family was still in Pennsylvania. 0:43:18.760 --> 0:43:20.640 And I'm trying to trying to remember how this goes, 0:43:20.800 --> 0:43:28.600 so so I get it right. And they caught baskets full, 0:43:29.200 --> 0:43:33.600 They netted up baskets full of American shad. Had they 0:43:33.680 --> 0:43:37.359 had so many that one of the kids was dispatched. 0:43:37.600 --> 0:43:40.759 I think it was Daniel maybe was dispatched to go 0:43:40.880 --> 0:43:43.640 to a neighbor's and tell the neighbors, come get fish, 0:43:44.040 --> 0:43:49.040 we have so many fish. So he does and comes 0:43:49.080 --> 0:43:53.160 back and somehow Daniel Boone winds up being asleep by 0:43:53.239 --> 0:43:56.399 where they're fishing, and the two girls are sent over 0:43:56.600 --> 0:43:59.799 to get fish and they see Boone's sleeping and they 0:44:00.080 --> 0:44:03.680 dump a bucket of fish guts on Boone's face as 0:44:03.680 --> 0:44:06.719 a prank, and Boone gets up in cold cocks one 0:44:06.760 --> 0:44:10.960 of them and they run home to tell on them, 0:44:11.040 --> 0:44:13.360 and the mom comes over to give the what for 0:44:13.719 --> 0:44:15.799 to Boone's mom, and she says, well, you better teach 0:44:15.840 --> 0:44:24.480 those girls some manners frontier justice. Uh. But the traditional 0:44:24.560 --> 0:44:27.600 way as you take the you you basically like very 0:44:27.719 --> 0:44:34.200 gently sawte the fish's egg sack in Bacon, Greece. This 0:44:34.320 --> 0:44:37.400 how it's done is yeah, Yeah, we've been known to 0:44:37.440 --> 0:44:38.719 go down and catch a bunch of them, just have 0:44:38.800 --> 0:44:42.640 a bunch of crab bait throughout the summer. American same 0:44:42.760 --> 0:44:45.040 introduced him out here. There's tons of them in Columbia, 0:44:45.080 --> 0:44:48.080 and I remember hearing the history about how they were introduced, 0:44:48.120 --> 0:44:49.480 but I don't want to talk about it because I'll 0:44:49.520 --> 0:44:53.000 probably get it wrong. But they were. It's a it was, yeah, 0:44:53.360 --> 0:44:55.839 But there's literally millions of them in the Columbia River. 0:44:56.239 --> 0:44:57.719 And you go down an anchor up a boat and 0:44:57.800 --> 0:45:00.880 put back little dick knights and bring lots of snacks 0:45:00.920 --> 0:45:03.960 and kids and like kids really all day. It's just 0:45:04.120 --> 0:45:09.000 a small little shaver spoon. Heard of a dick night? 0:45:09.000 --> 0:45:10.759 You've never heard of a dick night? No, I thought 0:45:10.800 --> 0:45:13.279 you were. I thought you were using like a euphemism. No, 0:45:13.480 --> 0:45:20.120 they're called a dick night. It's like we did, oh, 0:45:20.200 --> 0:45:22.279 because we would use just these little little red white 0:45:22.360 --> 0:45:25.839 jigs like a little Yeah, you can use those. While 0:45:25.840 --> 0:45:27.560 you look so while you look so unhappy that we're 0:45:27.600 --> 0:45:32.480 talking about surf perch and and uh American American Chad, 0:45:33.480 --> 0:45:39.120 I look unhappy. I'm cool. Really, you're fine, Yeah, anything 0:45:39.320 --> 0:45:42.160 like that. Any questions to come up? No, I'm tracking 0:45:42.239 --> 0:45:44.279 so far. Is it just that? Is it just that 0:45:44.360 --> 0:45:46.160 because you just don't have a lot of experience with 0:45:46.200 --> 0:45:49.520 surf perch, I have none with shad a little bit 0:45:49.560 --> 0:45:51.759 of surf. Can you tell me what your impressions are 0:45:52.280 --> 0:45:54.839 of surf percha fishing yesterday? I'd like to hear, because 0:45:54.840 --> 0:45:57.320 you've never been before, and there you were there, I 0:45:57.520 --> 0:46:00.399 was standing there in your chest waiters on a lonely beach. 0:46:01.800 --> 0:46:03.520 I was thinking earlier how it doesn't seem like how 0:46:03.600 --> 0:46:05.799 driving all over the beaches messed the beach up at all. 0:46:06.800 --> 0:46:08.759 But there's probably things that happened that you don't see 0:46:08.920 --> 0:46:10.879 sut or something. But it's like, if you're gonna drive 0:46:10.960 --> 0:46:12.360 on a beach, that's the beach to do it on. 0:46:13.120 --> 0:46:17.480 Things basically made out of concrete. Yeah, although someone's uh 0:46:18.560 --> 0:46:21.399 sunk right in about five minutes after we got there. 0:46:23.280 --> 0:46:26.040 But that that beaches a different. That beach is a 0:46:26.080 --> 0:46:29.560 little teeny different than Morox. Yeah. Yeah, it's when you 0:46:30.320 --> 0:46:33.799 enter the beach out here, it's pretty soft. I don't 0:46:33.800 --> 0:46:35.879 think you should be driving your astro van out there. 0:46:36.320 --> 0:46:40.560 They were they were too And if you do, you 0:46:40.640 --> 0:46:43.160 better come in hot and get to the hard stand. Yeah, 0:46:45.840 --> 0:46:48.200 what what other? What was your what? What other things 0:46:48.320 --> 0:46:50.080 you have to add? There? You are? You in your 0:46:50.160 --> 0:46:54.239 chest laiters probably be an American. Well, you know, it's 0:46:54.239 --> 0:46:56.120 always nice to be in a position doing something you've 0:46:56.160 --> 0:46:59.520 never done before. You know, well, challenge coming out, Yeah, 0:46:59.560 --> 0:47:03.120 something you to learn and uh, it wasn't a very 0:47:03.120 --> 0:47:05.520 good day of fishing though that day it was. It 0:47:05.680 --> 0:47:08.840 was tough, but you know ended up being fine. You know, 0:47:08.920 --> 0:47:11.640 worked out for me because I just started looking around 0:47:11.680 --> 0:47:13.279 and going all right, what what am I going to 0:47:13.360 --> 0:47:15.319 do differently than we're doing? And try to catch fish 0:47:15.360 --> 0:47:18.879 and end up finding a little rip current and just thinking, oh, 0:47:19.360 --> 0:47:23.400 you know, I'll fish because everyone gleaning from what everybody 0:47:23.400 --> 0:47:26.720 else is saying, like a little drop is good, current 0:47:26.800 --> 0:47:29.840 break is good, and just sort of looking for something different. 0:47:30.520 --> 0:47:32.640 I found this little rip and ended up catching six 0:47:32.680 --> 0:47:34.919 fish out of it. So did you get six? Yeah? 0:47:36.680 --> 0:47:38.719 Worked out pretty good. Yeah, I think I let to 0:47:38.880 --> 0:47:43.040 go and kept four. Surf perch master all he kept 0:47:43.080 --> 0:47:48.480 one or two all day yesterday. You know, surf perchas 0:47:48.800 --> 0:47:51.120 and razor clams too. I'm thinking earlier. While I like 0:47:51.520 --> 0:47:55.439 surf perching and raisor clambing, shad fishing, all those things, 0:47:57.440 --> 0:48:00.680 it's different from most other things I do, such a 0:48:00.719 --> 0:48:04.279 steel head fishing or hunting, because you can walk out 0:48:04.360 --> 0:48:06.640 on the beach and you'll talk to the guy that 0:48:06.800 --> 0:48:08.919 you see, Like you said, you don't mind seeing people. 0:48:09.520 --> 0:48:12.879 You're like, how you doing. He'll say I caught three 0:48:13.280 --> 0:48:17.120 and you actually believe them. Yeah, Or you raise your 0:48:17.160 --> 0:48:19.640 clan and you're like, oh man, i'm loading up here. 0:48:19.920 --> 0:48:22.920 I got two limits. You believe them. You're like, this 0:48:23.040 --> 0:48:25.040 is a good spot, I'm gonna stay here. You go. 0:48:25.160 --> 0:48:28.719 Shad fishing people are like there willing to share the 0:48:28.800 --> 0:48:32.160 information about these fisheries, right, like such as you were 0:48:32.200 --> 0:48:34.720 willing to share the information with Steve about the star perching. 0:48:35.400 --> 0:48:38.759 You go to a boat launch it up on the 0:48:39.000 --> 0:48:43.640 Peninsula rivers. You asked somebody about steelhead they caught that day. 0:48:43.960 --> 0:48:46.600 It's been a slow day day. I mean, you don't 0:48:46.600 --> 0:48:50.480 know what happened, honest answer out of anybody from Hoquium 0:48:50.520 --> 0:48:53.640 to Fork. Yeah, why do you think that is? I 0:48:53.680 --> 0:48:55.160 don't know. I think it's a lot of it. It's 0:48:55.200 --> 0:48:57.480 like they want to preserve something that they feel it's 0:48:57.520 --> 0:49:00.440 more special to them than anyone else or I don't know, 0:49:02.120 --> 0:49:05.080 and they don't want more. We already got enough people. Yeah, 0:49:05.440 --> 0:49:07.279 you know, we don't need any more. People don't talk 0:49:07.320 --> 0:49:09.680 about it, and it makes me upset and be honest 0:49:09.719 --> 0:49:12.080 with you, because guys just want to fish, you know. 0:49:12.280 --> 0:49:14.200 Guys just want to get out and catch some stuff, man, 0:49:15.440 --> 0:49:18.200 you know. And besides, when you talk about a fishery, 0:49:18.520 --> 0:49:20.680 whether it be surf perch, whether it be steelhead on 0:49:20.719 --> 0:49:23.359 the peninsula, if you're going to name a place, it's 0:49:23.400 --> 0:49:25.560 kind of a good thing because then it's bringing money 0:49:25.600 --> 0:49:29.399 to it, attention, you know, and those are management keeps 0:49:31.800 --> 0:49:36.439 you know, and and it's there's no ownership for those 0:49:36.480 --> 0:49:38.279 guys that are fishing those rivers. You know, a lot 0:49:38.320 --> 0:49:40.799 of people get ticked off when even people come from 0:49:41.320 --> 0:49:43.960 the west Side, you know, I guess they called the 0:49:44.040 --> 0:49:46.479 east side to the west side to fish these rivers 0:49:46.520 --> 0:49:50.520 out here and so on. Uh, it's kind of like 0:49:50.640 --> 0:49:55.880 this territorial thing. And it's unfortunate because I think, you know, 0:49:55.920 --> 0:49:58.759 it's obviously a resource we all have to share, and 0:49:58.840 --> 0:50:01.520 it's everybody has the same right to it. So people 0:50:01.560 --> 0:50:03.319 want to keep hush hush to try to keep people 0:50:03.360 --> 0:50:06.520 away from it. Like it's like it's theirs, like a 0:50:06.600 --> 0:50:09.520 honey hole, you know. So it's just protecting there. You know. 0:50:09.600 --> 0:50:11.239 They don't want you to think it's good because you'll 0:50:11.280 --> 0:50:14.000 come back tomorrow. You're gonna bring more, bring more people. 0:50:14.239 --> 0:50:17.080 And to like to that point though too, Like you 0:50:17.160 --> 0:50:19.960 go out to the peninsula in the wintertime when steel 0:50:20.000 --> 0:50:24.239 head seasons in full swing and look at license plates. Man, 0:50:24.320 --> 0:50:28.360 you'd be surprised how many dudes are from Montana. The 0:50:28.440 --> 0:50:30.120 guys are out there fishing and want to want to 0:50:30.160 --> 0:50:32.080 catch a steel a on a two hand and flower Well, 0:50:32.120 --> 0:50:35.279 that's a recent development to which is the guiding operations. 0:50:35.760 --> 0:50:37.800 You know, these guys they go they guide all the 0:50:37.920 --> 0:50:42.160 trout rivers, uh, all all year long, and then they 0:50:42.239 --> 0:50:45.879 come over here in the winter and guide. But that's 0:50:45.920 --> 0:50:48.919 kind of what you doing that though, fishing these rivers 0:50:48.960 --> 0:50:53.239 out here for Sam and both of you. Yeah, for sure. 0:50:54.000 --> 0:50:55.719 That's another thing that like kind of got me with 0:50:55.880 --> 0:51:00.239 like another notch in the surf perch belt is like 0:51:00.880 --> 0:51:03.600 it wasn't what it was, or it isn't what it 0:51:03.840 --> 0:51:07.000 once was, you know what I mean with a hey, 0:51:07.120 --> 0:51:09.840 look at me, I got this great big fish. Is 0:51:09.920 --> 0:51:13.840 what it's become. Like those were like such fond memories. 0:51:13.920 --> 0:51:19.560 It just as a kid going to those almost sad rivers. Yeah, man, 0:51:19.880 --> 0:51:23.040 it almost hurts to see what they've come to. In 0:51:23.120 --> 0:51:24.919 a sense, you can kind of love it to death. 0:51:25.480 --> 0:51:27.600 And it's like I love it so much that I'll 0:51:27.640 --> 0:51:29.520 just step away from it because I don't want to 0:51:29.560 --> 0:51:31.479 see it hurt anymore, and I'll go stand on the beach, 0:51:32.040 --> 0:51:34.600 I'll go fish cropp ease. I love fishing croppies. You 0:51:34.640 --> 0:51:37.360 know that. I'm right there with you. I mean, I 0:51:37.520 --> 0:51:39.880 used to pound these rivers up here, and when I 0:51:40.080 --> 0:51:42.200 just love going to them. When I'm talking to do 0:51:42.360 --> 0:51:44.720 how much time have we spent talking to me? Talked 0:51:44.719 --> 0:51:47.240 about me spending time to fish and steelhead or salmon, 0:51:47.280 --> 0:51:50.600 because I just don't much anymore. That's when I meet people, 0:51:51.000 --> 0:51:53.880 when I when I meet people that know Tony, they 0:51:53.920 --> 0:51:57.759 always want to tell me about your reputation as the same. 0:51:57.800 --> 0:52:00.359 And steelhead guy spend a lot of time out here, 0:52:00.760 --> 0:52:02.800 but not recently. And it's like him, It's like I 0:52:02.840 --> 0:52:04.960 don almost just rather step away and just not be 0:52:05.239 --> 0:52:06.920 one of the crowds and just kind of like, hey, 0:52:07.040 --> 0:52:10.560 you guys, enjoy it whatever. And I don't know if 0:52:10.640 --> 0:52:17.080 that's remember maybe fish you've kind of done it. I 0:52:17.120 --> 0:52:18.520 don't want to say I've been there, done that like 0:52:20.600 --> 0:52:25.160 it does, but it's it's like I've caught my I've 0:52:25.200 --> 0:52:27.120 caught my shirt of steel and I've got some really 0:52:27.160 --> 0:52:31.759 beautiful fish. Um, I'm happy floating that river. I'm happy 0:52:31.800 --> 0:52:36.480 floating the wheats and through the rainforest and not catching 0:52:36.520 --> 0:52:39.240 a single fish. And I will take far fewer fish, 0:52:39.719 --> 0:52:45.040 far fewer fish over beauty. I will take far fewer fish, 0:52:46.000 --> 0:52:49.719 maybe even not even one for a season, and beautiful 0:52:49.760 --> 0:52:56.719 scenery over crowds and limits. And I really will I'll 0:52:56.800 --> 0:53:06.400 hike into arguing people are. It gets kind of ridiculous. 0:53:06.760 --> 0:53:09.960 People just yelling at yeah, you know, right through a 0:53:10.000 --> 0:53:12.680 water whatever. It's like, Man, there's a stump over here, 0:53:12.760 --> 0:53:15.000 there's a long jam over here. I got nowhere else 0:53:15.080 --> 0:53:18.640 to go, you know where I gotta go. You know, 0:53:18.760 --> 0:53:22.680 it's just it's just it's crowds and it's it's uh, 0:53:23.200 --> 0:53:25.640 you know, people being territorial and thinking you should be 0:53:26.040 --> 0:53:28.279 off the river. Whatever it is, I don't know, it's 0:53:28.320 --> 0:53:29.759 just kind of gotten to a point where it's got 0:53:30.040 --> 0:53:32.440 it's a little ridiculous. Now. It must be something that like, 0:53:32.960 --> 0:53:35.400 it must be something that's like a steelhead thing, because 0:53:35.520 --> 0:53:39.799 it is I went through years of being maybe people 0:53:39.840 --> 0:53:42.839 feel so lusty for steel him that it brings out 0:53:42.880 --> 0:53:45.520 the worst of them, because I went through a few 0:53:45.680 --> 0:53:51.040 years of being really really into fishing steel head in 0:53:51.080 --> 0:53:55.880 the Great Lakes, like into it, into it to the 0:53:55.920 --> 0:53:58.279 point like making hash marks on the roof of my 0:53:58.400 --> 0:54:00.520 van too mark like comedy got you know what I mean, 0:54:00.600 --> 0:54:04.000 Like golf clicker mentality about oh my god, I landed 0:54:04.040 --> 0:54:08.080 forty two you know in April May or whatever, um 0:54:08.440 --> 0:54:10.080 like that kind of into it because I had kind 0:54:10.080 --> 0:54:14.200 of like quit mostly quipped fur trapping and hadn't found 0:54:14.280 --> 0:54:16.799 something that because when you trapped, you like your trap 0:54:16.960 --> 0:54:21.480 every day. So when I quit doing that, there's a 0:54:21.520 --> 0:54:23.160 couple of years there. Yeah, I quit doing that. I 0:54:23.239 --> 0:54:24.960 was twenty two and there was a couple of years 0:54:25.000 --> 0:54:30.319 there before I moved out west, and uh, you needed 0:54:30.360 --> 0:54:32.880 something to fill that, like every danis. So I got 0:54:32.960 --> 0:54:35.840 way into fishing steelhead and I would the only fights 0:54:35.880 --> 0:54:37.279 I've been in. I got in one fight on a 0:54:37.360 --> 0:54:41.160 river Montana, which I'll tell you about, but all the 0:54:41.280 --> 0:54:46.480 fights were always like fighting steel with steelhead guys. I remember, 0:54:46.560 --> 0:54:49.120 like it was so like so combative. I remember a 0:54:49.200 --> 0:54:53.360 guy one time saying, asked me what my name was. 0:54:53.560 --> 0:54:55.200 I said, Steve. He goes, well, Steve, I think I 0:54:55.320 --> 0:54:58.560 hooked your waiters fishing that tight where a guy hooked 0:54:58.600 --> 0:55:03.040 my waiter on his drift. Yeah, just elabowing people out 0:55:03.080 --> 0:55:05.560 of the way getting there, because if you're if you're 0:55:05.600 --> 0:55:07.320 in a spot and you're hooking a couple of steelhead, 0:55:07.640 --> 0:55:10.319 other dudes just are like it just it makes them 0:55:10.480 --> 0:55:15.560 feel sick. They want in their soul bad. I mean, 0:55:15.680 --> 0:55:19.200 especially if you come in there after them. Yeah, I've 0:55:19.280 --> 0:55:23.160 seen like people people act that way for pinks, which 0:55:23.320 --> 0:55:27.279 is which is like, I don't know, maybe, and I'm 0:55:27.320 --> 0:55:29.120 sure a lot of it's just people that don't catch 0:55:29.160 --> 0:55:32.239 a lot of fish, so they don't understand, like they 0:55:32.320 --> 0:55:36.680 probably just don't have any appreciation for like quality of 0:55:36.840 --> 0:55:39.200 it of their fish or their querry or whatever it 0:55:39.280 --> 0:55:41.920 may be. But they I mean, I've seen scenarios where 0:55:41.920 --> 0:55:43.600 you'll be lined up on a river and then people 0:55:43.640 --> 0:55:46.799 are hooking waiters. You'll be waited out in the water 0:55:46.880 --> 0:55:49.799 knee deep and say your twenty ft from let's say 0:55:49.800 --> 0:55:52.440 you're twelve feet from the from the rocks, from the gravel, 0:55:52.680 --> 0:55:55.720 from the gravel bar, and somebody standing on the gravel 0:55:55.760 --> 0:56:00.600 bar casting over the top of you. Yes, I've seen that. 0:56:01.200 --> 0:56:03.719 That's another That's just another reason why, man, I just 0:56:03.840 --> 0:56:07.520 don't just see. Yeah, there's always gonna be those those Uh, 0:56:07.760 --> 0:56:10.680 it's just locations where you know it's an easy access 0:56:10.760 --> 0:56:12.200 point and you know what you're in for. You know 0:56:12.280 --> 0:56:15.000 you're in for battle fishing. It's an easy access point. 0:56:15.120 --> 0:56:18.359 It's a place for people to go have a good 0:56:18.480 --> 0:56:21.239 chance at catching the steelhead if they drawn have a boat. 0:56:21.680 --> 0:56:25.240 Not everybody has a boat. Um, you know, in recent 0:56:25.320 --> 0:56:27.640 years there's just been more and more boats. It's gone 0:56:27.719 --> 0:56:30.120 from seeing three trailers out of take out to seeing 0:56:30.680 --> 0:56:33.920 you know, twenty trailers and just leap frogging down rivers 0:56:33.960 --> 0:56:35.960 and all that. So you know, you're always gonna have 0:56:36.000 --> 0:56:39.480 a combat fishing, and I just think everybody needs to 0:56:39.520 --> 0:56:44.480 be yeah, understanding that, Hey, every person on that river 0:56:44.600 --> 0:56:48.880 has the exact same right to the catching a steelhead 0:56:49.520 --> 0:56:51.359 as they do, no matter where the heck you're from. 0:56:52.239 --> 0:56:57.480 From Montana, I know, Washington, wherever it is, there there 0:56:57.560 --> 0:57:01.279 is and but there, but there is the dispute I 0:57:01.320 --> 0:57:04.680 got into. Yeah, I want to hear the Montana story. Yeah, 0:57:04.920 --> 0:57:07.320 I was coming up. I was with my old I 0:57:07.360 --> 0:57:10.840 think I was fishing with my old roommate, j Nichols, 0:57:11.160 --> 0:57:15.200 who wanted becoming a he want like having a whole 0:57:15.280 --> 0:57:19.919 career in fly fishing magazines and fly fishing publications. We're 0:57:20.000 --> 0:57:22.560 fishing one of the upper forks of the Bitter Roote 0:57:23.480 --> 0:57:26.920 and um wade fishing. Picking my way up river, and 0:57:27.000 --> 0:57:29.560 I come to a spot where a where a guide 0:57:29.920 --> 0:57:34.160 who's doing who's doing a dave float has this little 0:57:34.240 --> 0:57:38.120 like this, this cute little lunch set up on the 0:57:38.240 --> 0:57:42.720 beach for his sport, for his client, right down to 0:57:42.840 --> 0:57:46.240 a checkered tablecloth. I've seen that. Yeah, shore launch, nice 0:57:46.280 --> 0:57:48.040 shore lunch for the client. Yeah, but it's almost like 0:57:48.080 --> 0:57:49.800 it's a little too it's a little too much. It's 0:57:49.840 --> 0:57:55.520 like it's just like really, really really, that's what this is, 0:57:55.560 --> 0:57:58.960 what has come to in this world. You can't just 0:58:00.240 --> 0:58:05.360 sit on a rock and eat something sandwich, so chair, tablecloth, 0:58:05.720 --> 0:58:10.360 table every Yeah, I got buddies that runching every single time. Yeah, 0:58:10.760 --> 0:58:12.840 there there gets a barbecue out and make you a burger. 0:58:13.080 --> 0:58:14.720 That he did that, I would have been like a 0:58:14.920 --> 0:58:16.560 cool he's making it on a burger. But it's just 0:58:16.600 --> 0:58:20.840 like a little cute, see little set up. It sounds 0:58:20.880 --> 0:58:22.640 like it was a little too cute for you. It's like, 0:58:22.680 --> 0:58:24.800 are you there to fish or not? Right? Right? I 0:58:24.880 --> 0:58:26.440 get that. I can see you sit on a rock, 0:58:26.640 --> 0:58:30.479 stand around, kick rocks, I don't know, eat whatever. That's fine. 0:58:30.720 --> 0:58:33.880 I can accept that. But anyhow, it didn't that. That 0:58:34.000 --> 0:58:35.840 was just an observation I had that I thought was 0:58:35.840 --> 0:58:39.000 a little much. It was a little much. A tablecloth, 0:58:40.600 --> 0:58:44.840 checkered tablecloth. Yeah, I can see why Why did you 0:58:44.960 --> 0:58:48.560 do that? Did you like it? I guess because you're 0:58:48.600 --> 0:58:51.080 just you're just trying to impress a little bit. You know, 0:58:51.200 --> 0:58:53.919 you're out there working and I don't know, I guess 0:58:53.960 --> 0:58:56.760 in the case, it was a slow day, right, at 0:58:56.800 --> 0:59:00.880 least the lunch will be nice. Report was the table used? 0:59:01.160 --> 0:59:03.880 Was it checkered? Yeah? It was green and white. I 0:59:03.920 --> 0:59:07.560 think I still have it somewhere tucked away for years. 0:59:07.640 --> 0:59:11.160 And tablecloth? What was the spread? Sometimes I'd washed that 0:59:11.280 --> 0:59:14.600 thing every day in the washing machine, and a lot 0:59:14.640 --> 0:59:16.520 of along with my No, it's a lot of my 0:59:16.600 --> 0:59:21.680 clothes at my house. But uh yeah, nothing worse than 0:59:21.680 --> 0:59:26.600 about our tablecloth that already had catchup mustard. So when 0:59:26.640 --> 0:59:30.600 you're guiding, your guiding for an outfit, but it's up 0:59:30.680 --> 0:59:32.640 to you to do all that stuff. Yeah, I think 0:59:32.680 --> 0:59:34.920 they had like a base level that they wanted you 0:59:34.960 --> 0:59:37.520 to follow. You had to have a table in two chairs, 0:59:37.640 --> 0:59:40.000 for sure. It's a very minimum. I think they asked 0:59:40.000 --> 0:59:44.400 that we had a table cloth. You'd pull over a 0:59:44.400 --> 0:59:48.680 little roll top table, hopefully under a shade tree, and 0:59:48.880 --> 0:59:51.280 you put a tablecloth down and he set one out 0:59:51.360 --> 0:59:54.960 for him, depending on the on the year and who 0:59:55.320 --> 0:59:57.320 was doing the lunch catering. But it was most of 0:59:57.360 --> 1:00:00.320 the time. Some sort of sandwich and you know, some hides, 1:00:01.240 --> 1:00:06.400 cookies and soda, pop water, pretty simple, nice macaroni salad 1:00:06.480 --> 1:00:09.520 maybe in there for you with your sandwich. Didn't matter 1:00:09.600 --> 1:00:12.160 how cute they were, sounds kind of good man woman, 1:00:12.200 --> 1:00:15.880 didn't matter. It didn't matter. Just just gonna do it 1:00:16.160 --> 1:00:19.040 as I got. As I got um, I guess more experienced. 1:00:19.040 --> 1:00:21.520 And I had the clients that I took year after year. 1:00:22.040 --> 1:00:24.440 If they weren't into it and they wanted an actually 1:00:24.480 --> 1:00:26.600 thirty minutes of fishing, because that would buy them, I 1:00:26.720 --> 1:00:29.040 would just pull over underneath the shade tree on and 1:00:29.160 --> 1:00:31.919 sit in the boat and you know, wolf it down. 1:00:33.000 --> 1:00:35.840 Like so you would have clients who would say yeah, 1:00:36.120 --> 1:00:38.360 you would say like that's a little much. Yeah, a 1:00:38.480 --> 1:00:41.600 little much. I'd be that guy. Let's just keep fishing. Really, 1:00:42.000 --> 1:00:46.440 but it's like really really, I've said this before that 1:00:46.520 --> 1:00:48.880 I had a lot of clients who used me a 1:00:48.960 --> 1:00:51.560 lot because their wives like fishing me. And there were 1:00:51.600 --> 1:00:53.800 guys that were like, well, I get to fish more 1:00:54.320 --> 1:00:56.480 since my wife is into this. I'm gonna use this 1:00:56.560 --> 1:01:00.400 guy because he's like his trucks tight, you know, lunch 1:01:00.520 --> 1:01:06.480 is tight, attractive, he's got it like I doesn't have 1:01:06.560 --> 1:01:08.880 a potty mouth out there. You know, my wife's not 1:01:08.920 --> 1:01:12.800 always going like jeez, can't believe Mill's talking about that again. 1:01:14.720 --> 1:01:17.040 So I could picture you being like the guy that 1:01:17.120 --> 1:01:18.880 a dude would get because you're gonna be nice to 1:01:18.960 --> 1:01:23.040 his wife, and then you roll that little tablecloth out. 1:01:23.520 --> 1:01:29.880 Yeah yeah, all right. So what happened was so there 1:01:29.960 --> 1:01:33.080 I was picking my way up river. Oh you guys 1:01:33.120 --> 1:01:38.960 having a little dip up. I'll get back. I'll get 1:01:39.000 --> 1:01:40.880 back to my real quick, which I might have talked 1:01:40.920 --> 1:01:42.280 about the past, But can we talk about this a 1:01:42.280 --> 1:01:47.000 little bit? Uh, Tony, You've been trying to quit chewing tobacco, 1:01:47.800 --> 1:01:49.640 but then here you are, you running to Tommy. He's 1:01:49.680 --> 1:01:54.240 died in the woold man. I'm a dipper man. Yeah, 1:01:54.240 --> 1:01:58.000 I love it. I really like And you started dipping 1:01:58.080 --> 1:02:02.240 down from exposure to him. No, no, I can't blame 1:02:02.280 --> 1:02:04.480 it on him. I thank you for not blaming you 1:02:04.680 --> 1:02:06.440 have told me I just quit, I'd be like, no, 1:02:06.600 --> 1:02:12.800 you may not have a cheer since February twelve. And 1:02:12.920 --> 1:02:16.080 on the way out here, I knew it was gonna 1:02:16.080 --> 1:02:17.760 be a long drive, and I know it's going fishing, 1:02:17.880 --> 1:02:20.040 and that's one of those things you just other dippers, 1:02:20.600 --> 1:02:24.120 do you guys case dippers a spoofy kind of joke. 1:02:24.240 --> 1:02:28.520 May not? I mean, I just it's you associated with 1:02:28.600 --> 1:02:30.840 certain things, right. But I was like, I'm gonna be 1:02:30.920 --> 1:02:34.320 in ther time. What do you guys refer yourself? What 1:02:34.760 --> 1:02:37.440 is one who likes to like a smoke or everybody 1:02:37.480 --> 1:02:40.720 knows that. Yeah, I'd be like your self identify as 1:02:40.720 --> 1:02:44.520 a chew I self identifies trying to tell me about yourself, 1:02:44.560 --> 1:02:47.200 you'd be like mature. I know, not the first thing 1:02:47.280 --> 1:02:52.000 I throw out there, but yeah, so go ahead, Tony. 1:02:52.120 --> 1:02:53.520 So here you are. You know you're on a long 1:02:53.640 --> 1:02:56.560 drive and it's gonna be chewers pick up. Yeah, And 1:02:56.680 --> 1:03:01.320 I go to the gas I shouldn't fill up And 1:03:01.400 --> 1:03:05.760 I walked inside to grab some snacks and was big 1:03:08.600 --> 1:03:15.520 and it was called my name. Yeah, a lapse self control. 1:03:15.560 --> 1:03:20.240 And I purchased my first candid shoo since February twelve. 1:03:20.320 --> 1:03:22.880 Our man Dirt myth uh. We were down in South 1:03:22.960 --> 1:03:26.000 America and he was trying to quit and he gets 1:03:26.040 --> 1:03:27.160 home and I asked him how it went, and he 1:03:27.160 --> 1:03:29.160 said the same thing. You fill up your gas tank. 1:03:30.360 --> 1:03:32.040 You can't buy a gas there it is, and you 1:03:32.160 --> 1:03:34.360 walk into the gas station, I would suggest he just 1:03:34.400 --> 1:03:36.880 pays with a debit card and buys his groceries elsewhere, 1:03:37.320 --> 1:03:39.560 because the minute he says, I can't go into a 1:03:39.640 --> 1:03:42.760 gas station because when I go up to the counter there, 1:03:42.760 --> 1:03:47.240 I am faced with it and it talks to strong definitely, 1:03:47.400 --> 1:03:49.680 because like he said, who goes inside to pay for 1:03:49.800 --> 1:03:53.959 gas anymore? Well, inside of a gas station? Yeah, okay, 1:03:54.000 --> 1:03:57.400 So if he did, I'm saying from people, you're probably 1:03:57.440 --> 1:03:59.600 in there public gas and you're like, I know, what's 1:03:59.600 --> 1:04:04.520 about feet away from through one door one door through? 1:04:04.880 --> 1:04:08.520 It's not Yeah, like the fact that dippers need to 1:04:08.560 --> 1:04:10.959 go in there to buy snacks. It's like you know, yeah, 1:04:13.080 --> 1:04:15.800 all you're buying is a container to drink real fast. 1:04:15.880 --> 1:04:22.880 You can spit. Yeah, that's right, because that's right. That's 1:04:22.920 --> 1:04:27.400 why I bought that green that green thing I bought it. 1:04:27.520 --> 1:04:34.400 I'm like, uh, that's wide mouth, how this thing about? Yeah? 1:04:34.680 --> 1:04:38.480 This crazy? I mean not that I'm gonna if I 1:04:38.560 --> 1:04:45.800 did counter and there it was saying saying, um, that's 1:04:45.840 --> 1:04:49.000 good point, because it's like guys, cheers, they're trying to 1:04:49.080 --> 1:04:52.360 quit going to the gas stations with single people say 1:04:52.440 --> 1:04:54.560 I'm going to the bar, you know, like you're going 1:04:54.640 --> 1:04:56.280 to the bar. Yes, but that's not where you're really 1:04:56.480 --> 1:05:00.400 looking to get out of this this other thing you're hacing. 1:05:01.040 --> 1:05:03.720 But you you, you, you know, so when you're going 1:05:03.800 --> 1:05:08.000 to get a snack at the gas station. So there 1:05:08.000 --> 1:05:10.240 I am walking up this fork of the bitter Root, 1:05:11.280 --> 1:05:13.240 and I stolen across this guide. He's got this very 1:05:13.320 --> 1:05:18.000 romantic little setting going on, and I make the mistake 1:05:18.840 --> 1:05:24.400 in his eyes of fishing the hole that he's camp 1:05:24.640 --> 1:05:27.640 that he's having his lunch at lunch hole, but he's 1:05:27.680 --> 1:05:32.200 not fishing it. The dude comes undone, undone, the guy 1:05:32.360 --> 1:05:34.760 or the client, the guy, the guide in front of 1:05:34.800 --> 1:05:37.520 the client that he's trying to woo with this little 1:05:37.560 --> 1:05:41.680 setup with a tablecloth. And I come back and take 1:05:41.680 --> 1:05:44.000 a couple of pokes through there, just fishing trout. It's 1:05:44.000 --> 1:05:46.640 not he's like making a living out here selling this 1:05:46.800 --> 1:05:50.360 meat or something. So fishing trout, and come through, take 1:05:50.360 --> 1:05:53.480 a couple of pokes. The guy comes undone. We later 1:05:53.560 --> 1:05:58.960 had a reckoning in Charlie's Barn, Missoula, Montana. Not not 1:05:59.080 --> 1:06:02.840 at the takeout, you weren't. We had a fight and 1:06:02.920 --> 1:06:05.440 then and and then it was funny because later we 1:06:05.520 --> 1:06:09.200 wound up kind of drinking the same place I would 1:06:09.200 --> 1:06:11.880 see him. I've been there, you know, And we later 1:06:11.960 --> 1:06:14.240 had a reckoning and he had and uh, if I 1:06:14.320 --> 1:06:18.960 remember correctly, I feel that he admitted his wrongness, and 1:06:19.040 --> 1:06:21.000 I might have admitted a little bit of my wrongness 1:06:21.080 --> 1:06:24.320 for responding in such a strong way to his criticism. 1:06:25.400 --> 1:06:27.840 But I feel I still today feel like if you're 1:06:28.120 --> 1:06:33.720 if you're eating lunch and not fishing, that you do 1:06:33.840 --> 1:06:36.480 not have a legitimate claim on the whole. How do 1:06:36.520 --> 1:06:38.520 you feel about that? You honest? What's the guide's perspective? 1:06:39.840 --> 1:06:42.880 It's kind of dependent on probably on how much pressures 1:06:43.080 --> 1:06:45.800 on the river, you know. I mean, if it's like 1:06:46.080 --> 1:06:48.720 a river where you've been waiting for two hours you 1:06:48.800 --> 1:06:52.080 hadn't seen a person, and then you got just you know, 1:06:52.240 --> 1:06:55.200 unlimited water past their boat, that's kind of that's kind 1:06:55.240 --> 1:06:57.120 of like this. It's like that sounds like the spot. 1:06:57.200 --> 1:06:58.880 You might as well just skip it and kind of 1:06:58.920 --> 1:07:02.120 move on as much for your own personal experiences. That's 1:07:02.120 --> 1:07:04.520 a lot like this. That's a lot like the spot. Actually, 1:07:04.640 --> 1:07:09.200 I agree with Yeah, I wasn't the wrong. I think 1:07:10.120 --> 1:07:13.760 I'll always think some I was saying, if it was 1:07:14.080 --> 1:07:18.440 it was like a busy river, then one around around. Yeah, 1:07:18.480 --> 1:07:21.200 I'll probably skip that one, Steve. I think if you're 1:07:21.240 --> 1:07:23.480 in a boat and you're floating down, you're like, okay, 1:07:25.040 --> 1:07:28.240 you're here, we're gonna have lunch, and then we're gonna 1:07:28.280 --> 1:07:32.040 fish this whole. And if it's trout stream, you know, 1:07:32.160 --> 1:07:34.160 you're kind of just letting it rest. Maybe a boat 1:07:34.200 --> 1:07:35.800 went through, you're letting it rest. If you're gonna have 1:07:35.880 --> 1:07:39.160 lunch there, like you're kind of claiming that run for 1:07:39.280 --> 1:07:44.120 a period of time. I think I think at minimum 1:07:44.440 --> 1:07:46.840 it would have been worth it. Hey do you mind 1:07:46.880 --> 1:07:48.640 if I fish this round? That's the thing you just 1:07:48.720 --> 1:07:50.920 gotta Hey can I It's like when you get when 1:07:50.960 --> 1:07:52.440 you walk up to where you want to fish and 1:07:52.480 --> 1:07:54.280 there's a guy in there? Do you mind if I 1:07:54.320 --> 1:08:00.760 step in? Then you're gonna do you think about that? Jeez? 1:08:00.800 --> 1:08:03.360 I don't know you ever been a guide? Never? You 1:08:03.400 --> 1:08:05.760 guys have all guid I'm definitely not. You never guide 1:08:05.760 --> 1:08:08.640 a time, No, sir, I probably would have just asked 1:08:09.080 --> 1:08:11.800 or there's lots of holes I would want them. I 1:08:11.840 --> 1:08:14.320 wouldn't want an audience. I just keep moving. But that's 1:08:14.360 --> 1:08:17.080 just me. But it didn't contest him causing a scene 1:08:17.080 --> 1:08:20.720 at the same time, if he wasn't really making me reconsidered, 1:08:20.760 --> 1:08:22.760 because it's like obviously scarred me because I bring it 1:08:22.840 --> 1:08:25.120 up all the time. It sounds like this is something 1:08:25.160 --> 1:08:27.280 from way ago ended up my wife. Yet that's how 1:08:27.320 --> 1:08:31.439 long ago this was. I mean, there's so there there's 1:08:31.560 --> 1:08:34.040 a couple of you. If this was also a place 1:08:34.120 --> 1:08:38.559 where that you were walking in and then there's a boat, 1:08:38.880 --> 1:08:41.280 that's true. Is that true? I was walking in and 1:08:41.360 --> 1:08:44.160 they had a boat. They were in a boat. So 1:08:44.280 --> 1:08:47.280 here I'm a lowly walker. That's different too because they 1:08:47.720 --> 1:08:51.000 have the ability to fish this whole stretch river And 1:08:51.120 --> 1:08:53.200 you're like, man, I just hiked a mile and a 1:08:53.240 --> 1:08:55.120 half of my leg, Like this is where I was 1:08:55.160 --> 1:08:59.840 planning to, you know, And if that's a well known 1:09:00.160 --> 1:09:02.240 is where people do hike into, I would never stop 1:09:02.280 --> 1:09:05.680 there to have much fault as a guy. So it 1:09:05.720 --> 1:09:09.320 could be yeah, so it could be completely very circumstantial. 1:09:10.280 --> 1:09:14.560 You're cooling all this table class, You got anything to 1:09:14.640 --> 1:09:16.680 add on surf perch because we still need to talk 1:09:16.720 --> 1:09:19.000 about today, which was lights out, the one of the 1:09:19.200 --> 1:09:21.120 top days of the fishing I've ever experienced my entire 1:09:21.200 --> 1:09:25.640 life like the most gorgeous day I've ever had on 1:09:25.760 --> 1:09:32.080 the Washington coast. It is concluding thought on surf perch around. 1:09:32.080 --> 1:09:35.000 I would do it again. You know, I had so 1:09:35.160 --> 1:09:37.720 much fun anytime I go back out there right now 1:09:37.920 --> 1:09:40.559 the other time and go make take a few pokes. 1:09:40.960 --> 1:09:42.400 Let me tell you why it's better than the winter 1:09:44.520 --> 1:09:46.439 in my opinion, this this is why it's This is 1:09:46.479 --> 1:09:48.360 why I clam digging is nice because it's a winter 1:09:48.680 --> 1:09:51.880 spring thing. Is when you're out there in the winter, 1:09:52.680 --> 1:09:55.920 this it's like you're out there and you're so happy 1:09:56.000 --> 1:09:58.280 that there's something going on because it's the time of 1:09:58.360 --> 1:10:02.800 year when nothing's going on, Like February. If you're a hunting, 1:10:02.880 --> 1:10:08.840 fishing kind of fella, February can be you know, the 1:10:08.960 --> 1:10:11.360 dog days. There's nothing else. It's like you might not 1:10:11.479 --> 1:10:14.439 be like kicking tons of as season. And so then 1:10:14.479 --> 1:10:16.320 you go out there and it's like, wow, like a 1:10:16.439 --> 1:10:20.720 productive fishery in the winter. But to be there in 1:10:20.760 --> 1:10:24.040 the summer, it's still fun. But you're you're sort of like, oh, well, 1:10:24.080 --> 1:10:26.760 I could be, I could be. We could also go. 1:10:28.160 --> 1:10:30.360 It's got a different kind of joy in the wintertime too, 1:10:30.439 --> 1:10:33.720 because like you said, it's this desolate, hostile place and 1:10:33.840 --> 1:10:37.559 here's you get this like bright spot of this fresh 1:10:38.360 --> 1:10:42.400 fish that you're like, oh man, yes, it's like it's 1:10:42.520 --> 1:10:44.519 it's a it's it's a little bit of a buzz. 1:10:45.680 --> 1:10:47.680 If you like having the place all yourself, that's a 1:10:47.720 --> 1:10:50.840 good thing. That's the best time to you out there. 1:10:53.120 --> 1:10:55.400 Your people look at funny and the fishing can be 1:10:55.479 --> 1:10:59.280 great in the winter. Dude, should be doing it. You know, 1:10:59.320 --> 1:11:03.240 it's bigger one tuch a little bit. All right, now, 1:11:03.320 --> 1:11:05.360 you're cool on that because I want to get into 1:11:05.360 --> 1:11:08.160 the world's greatest day of fishing. It was pretty amazing. 1:11:08.320 --> 1:11:13.880 Lights out go along with that something I never do now, yeah, 1:11:13.880 --> 1:11:17.559 I shouldn't say that I rarely do, but almost want 1:11:17.600 --> 1:11:19.320 to do more of because of how much you learn, 1:11:19.640 --> 1:11:24.240 which is go out with a go out on a charter, 1:11:25.000 --> 1:11:28.040 go out with a guide. And I'm kind of down 1:11:28.080 --> 1:11:30.400 on it because it's never like not down on it, 1:11:30.479 --> 1:11:32.680 but it's never as much fun as because you're not 1:11:32.760 --> 1:11:35.040 solving the problems yourself. And so a lot of what 1:11:35.120 --> 1:11:36.960 I like about hunting and fishing is solving is the 1:11:37.000 --> 1:11:39.519 problem solving and thinking that goes into it and like 1:11:39.640 --> 1:11:41.639 the teamwork right, and when you're out with the guy 1:11:41.760 --> 1:11:44.719 just's kind of like you're not catching the fish. If anything, 1:11:44.760 --> 1:11:47.960 you're just like hindering the operation. Like that they would 1:11:48.000 --> 1:11:51.000 get you know that everything you're doing, they would do better, 1:11:51.720 --> 1:11:54.639 and they're the brain behind it. And you just stand there, 1:11:55.600 --> 1:12:02.400 you know, with your ye know, your hand, uh, while 1:12:02.479 --> 1:12:05.360 this person is plotting and figuring and they've gotten the 1:12:05.400 --> 1:12:07.519 bait together, they put the plan together, they know what 1:12:07.600 --> 1:12:09.160 to do, and you're like staying, oh, do what you do, 1:12:09.240 --> 1:12:10.479 what you do and all those things like all right, 1:12:10.560 --> 1:12:15.560 dropped down, Yeah, and you've done nothing nothing, Yeah, you 1:12:15.640 --> 1:12:17.679 haven't even tied your own stuff on. So when people 1:12:17.680 --> 1:12:20.559 are kind of like, oh, I caught a blankety blank, 1:12:20.640 --> 1:12:23.400 you know, I caught an ex pound blankety blank with 1:12:23.520 --> 1:12:25.400 a guy, and I'm like, the guy had caught it, 1:12:26.000 --> 1:12:27.680 like he'd let you reel it in and everything, but 1:12:27.760 --> 1:12:29.599 it wasn't like your fish. Yeah. In the world of salmon, 1:12:29.640 --> 1:12:31.320 a steel head and the oarsmen in a in a 1:12:31.400 --> 1:12:34.439 drift about the oarsman's usually takes, in my opinion, takes 1:12:34.479 --> 1:12:37.519 credit for most of fish. And he's a guy that's 1:12:37.560 --> 1:12:39.360 putting you on the fish. All he's telling you to 1:12:39.439 --> 1:12:42.160 do is cast over there. The oarsman is a guy 1:12:42.280 --> 1:12:47.920 exerting the skill. You know. I mean that your thing though, 1:12:48.000 --> 1:12:50.240 with with hiring a guide, what it does, do the 1:12:50.320 --> 1:12:53.880 positives of it if you don't have like if it's 1:12:53.920 --> 1:12:59.559 not readily accessible, it's great for shortening a learning curve. Yeah. 1:12:59.600 --> 1:13:02.840 And then this case, uh, what's what's the name of that? 1:13:02.960 --> 1:13:10.639 Operations and saltwater ch charters, All rivers and saltwater charters. 1:13:11.120 --> 1:13:17.840 The dudes were solid the skipper, and they made it 1:13:17.840 --> 1:13:19.240 a good day. We only got into what we did, 1:13:19.320 --> 1:13:20.800 yet they only made it a good day. Is that 1:13:20.920 --> 1:13:24.599 those guys wound up being like dudes out fish with anyway, 1:13:25.200 --> 1:13:28.720 and treated us like dudes, like they were good enough 1:13:28.800 --> 1:13:34.080 actors or gine. He felt this way, where like the 1:13:34.560 --> 1:13:40.920 interaction was was like everyone on equal footage. Yeah, you know, 1:13:41.439 --> 1:13:43.800 they're like, we clearly like to fit catch fish. They 1:13:43.880 --> 1:13:46.599 clearly still like to catch fish. I say still because 1:13:46.600 --> 1:13:49.439 imagine some day it goes away when you die too long, 1:13:49.760 --> 1:13:51.360 I asked he, And on the way back in, I 1:13:51.439 --> 1:13:52.720 was like, what do you do in your spare time? 1:13:52.760 --> 1:13:55.720 Because I know when you guide a lot, a lot 1:13:55.760 --> 1:13:57.760 of times you don't fish that much in your spare time. 1:13:57.800 --> 1:14:04.200 And he's like, I go fishing. So he job. They 1:14:04.320 --> 1:14:08.120 like to fish. They like to talk about fish, catch fish. Um, 1:14:08.360 --> 1:14:10.360 we showed up dressed through the parts too. We didn't 1:14:10.400 --> 1:14:13.200 look like, you know, we just got off the plane. Yeah, 1:14:13.280 --> 1:14:14.760 so they're probably like, Okay, we're not gonna be like 1:14:14.800 --> 1:14:19.040 getting hooks out of people's hands all day long. And man, 1:14:19.200 --> 1:14:23.479 was that fun. My arms tired. You need a vessel 1:14:23.560 --> 1:14:28.479 because we went out. We're fishing twenty miles out. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 1:14:28.600 --> 1:14:32.400 but it was so smooth. If you snapped your fingers 1:14:32.640 --> 1:14:34.840 and could freeze it solid, you could ice skated on it. 1:14:35.479 --> 1:14:39.240 It was much smooth, so much smoother than the baby's bottom. 1:14:40.479 --> 1:14:46.640 So my kid, uh, my youngest kid. You've got a 1:14:46.720 --> 1:14:49.719 parallels swim shorts that have the built in underwear. Yeah, 1:14:50.040 --> 1:14:52.240 and somehow like it most not like it must irritate 1:14:52.320 --> 1:14:53.840 them a little bit or something when he's like wet 1:14:54.000 --> 1:14:57.000 with that mesh on him, because now he runs around 1:14:57.080 --> 1:15:00.040 making everyone he pulls his pants. That makes everyone. It 1:15:00.160 --> 1:15:04.559 just butt really, so he'll laugh, my laugh, he'll laugh, 1:15:04.640 --> 1:15:07.360 my laugh. It's got like it's just butt cheeks and 1:15:07.400 --> 1:15:09.360 he kind of just like gets all dreamy looking at 1:15:09.479 --> 1:15:14.320 bints of fall asleep. Really, it's like scratching love this 1:15:15.400 --> 1:15:19.800 butt cheeks scratch with his own fingers because he likes 1:15:19.840 --> 1:15:22.040 to luxuriate. Man, he wants to get a nice spot 1:15:22.080 --> 1:15:24.400 where you can lay down with his butt in your face, 1:15:25.240 --> 1:15:27.800 you know, and you start like scratching his butt cheeks 1:15:27.840 --> 1:15:29.439 a little bit, looks like you're scratching a dog on 1:15:29.520 --> 1:15:35.160 the and he just likes to like passes out. Yeah, 1:15:35.280 --> 1:15:37.400 then you quit and you kind of like jolts away 1:15:39.560 --> 1:15:42.599 so much smoother than the baby's bottom. And I'm saying 1:15:42.640 --> 1:15:44.519 that with where with where I have knowledge of what 1:15:44.680 --> 1:15:48.479 that feels like. Um, and in a lot of places 1:15:48.560 --> 1:15:52.160 like lin Cod. So if if you go to people 1:15:52.280 --> 1:15:58.080 in the know on Pacific saltwater fish, Lincot have your 1:15:58.120 --> 1:16:03.439 reputation as being one of the one of the greats 1:16:04.280 --> 1:16:06.840 upper echelon bottom fish for sure, like one of the 1:16:07.800 --> 1:16:12.519 table table table fair man. They're like top few. Yeah, 1:16:12.560 --> 1:16:15.719 they're great, They're delicious. Yeah. People that know are like sure, 1:16:15.880 --> 1:16:17.839 you know a lot of people like Halib because halibit 1:16:18.080 --> 1:16:24.920 is very approachable, you know, it's like reliable, It's white, dense, flaky, mild, 1:16:25.080 --> 1:16:27.800 you can do anything with it. But like link, COD 1:16:28.160 --> 1:16:32.280 is kind of a better version. Yeah, definitely, kind of 1:16:32.320 --> 1:16:38.639 a better version COD, but more royal. Yeah, it's like, yeah, 1:16:38.920 --> 1:16:40.760 they're delicious. They're whether you want to put them on 1:16:40.840 --> 1:16:43.720 a grill, whether you want to beer, batter them up 1:16:43.760 --> 1:16:47.360 and fry them, anything you want. The answers, yes, they're delicious. 1:16:47.520 --> 1:16:50.920 They don't hold together on a grill. It does. I 1:16:50.960 --> 1:16:55.120 don't think they're still they're still. They're definitely worthy, but 1:16:55.240 --> 1:16:59.120 they're yeah, yeah, they're great, They're good. I love them. 1:16:59.280 --> 1:17:01.680 They rag them out like the REGs very so much so. 1:17:02.680 --> 1:17:06.000 In Southeast Alaska, you know, there's you know, people have 1:17:06.280 --> 1:17:09.120 bottom and limits like everything, right, it's gonna be like 1:17:09.240 --> 1:17:12.960 over x inches. In some places they have a slot, 1:17:13.280 --> 1:17:15.599 like out in the San Juan Island where my buddy 1:17:15.600 --> 1:17:22.760 Pooter lives. The slot is to thirty six inches. So 1:17:23.280 --> 1:17:25.880 those are the ones you can keep, you're allowed to keep. 1:17:26.560 --> 1:17:29.559 It has to be a minimum, but it has been 1:17:29.760 --> 1:17:33.439 under you know, if there's a different term when it's opposite. 1:17:33.600 --> 1:17:37.080 Because in North Carolina, for red fish, you can keep 1:17:37.120 --> 1:17:42.680 them up to seventeen and then over seven. Man, I'm 1:17:42.680 --> 1:17:43.920 sure there's a term for it, but I don't know 1:17:44.000 --> 1:17:46.040 what it's like a reverse. I'd like to kind of 1:17:46.080 --> 1:17:47.760 like the REGs on like if if a guy wanted 1:17:47.760 --> 1:17:50.040 to keep a large mouth bass in a lick. I 1:17:50.680 --> 1:17:52.800 think it's still referred to as a slot limit. No 1:17:53.080 --> 1:17:57.439 slot is only when there's a when there's a bottom 1:17:57.479 --> 1:18:01.000 and top cap, like you gotta fall in the slot. 1:18:01.360 --> 1:18:05.120 So we're out. I caught uh. Last year I went 1:18:05.120 --> 1:18:08.000 out and caught one, because you're hat one a day 1:18:08.240 --> 1:18:10.240 up there, you lot to a day here, no slot 1:18:10.360 --> 1:18:13.880 limit up there. North of here, you're not one day. 1:18:13.920 --> 1:18:16.320 So last year I went out, caught one, it hit 1:18:16.400 --> 1:18:20.000 the slot. This year ago caught one hit the slot, 1:18:20.479 --> 1:18:24.559 and I dubbed myself the slot tickler. So my wife 1:18:24.600 --> 1:18:28.880 thought was a repugnant term, but I just thought was like, 1:18:29.000 --> 1:18:31.280 I like, can tickle them right in the slot on 1:18:31.360 --> 1:18:34.599 the slot size on that right, just speaking just link. 1:18:35.520 --> 1:18:41.160 But here you're allowed, Yeah, you're allowed to per person 1:18:41.640 --> 1:18:45.920 in this zone too, per person, no size limit. And 1:18:46.080 --> 1:18:51.080 we motor out and first stop, I think something like 1:18:51.200 --> 1:18:53.679 what the seventeen miles out? I think he said twelve 1:18:53.760 --> 1:18:59.800 to catch, twelve to fish bait, and we got little 1:19:00.360 --> 1:19:04.000 rigs with a like eight ounds lead ball. And there's 1:19:04.000 --> 1:19:08.040 a couple look like oversized croppy jigs with a little 1:19:08.040 --> 1:19:12.439 bit of squid squid tentacle, And dropped down and caught bait, 1:19:12.479 --> 1:19:17.080 and we caught twenty flounder. That we're not twenty flounder 1:19:17.200 --> 1:19:19.320 the size of the size of your hand. And there's 1:19:19.320 --> 1:19:23.320 a handful of species down there. Little flat fish. Yeah, 1:19:23.960 --> 1:19:26.479 I was, I had. That's when the good time started. Man, 1:19:26.520 --> 1:19:28.200 I was having fun doing that. Oh man, my kid 1:19:28.280 --> 1:19:30.720 has stayed there all day, fished up for bait. So 1:19:30.880 --> 1:19:33.559 fished up a bunch of bait and what what put 1:19:33.640 --> 1:19:37.080 twenty in alive? Well, and then motored out a ways more. 1:19:37.600 --> 1:19:39.519 And like normally when you're fishing link Hod, you're fishing, 1:19:41.640 --> 1:19:44.200 they're like the tops of stuff, So like the tops 1:19:44.280 --> 1:19:49.360 of very sharp ridge lines, the tops of underwater spires, 1:19:50.040 --> 1:19:53.439 the tops of underwater peaks, like the tops of stuff, 1:19:53.439 --> 1:19:55.960 and rock fish tend to like the sides of stuff. 1:19:56.600 --> 1:20:00.280 But out here, he said, there's so little structure that 1:20:00.520 --> 1:20:06.479 any little feature will hold fish. And we were on uh. 1:20:07.080 --> 1:20:09.519 He was saying, just like any discrepancy in the bottom, 1:20:09.680 --> 1:20:12.600 or it could just simply be that like we were 1:20:12.640 --> 1:20:14.240 fishing on the feature. There was only a couple of 1:20:14.280 --> 1:20:16.760 feet higher than the surrounding stuff, but it was like 1:20:17.000 --> 1:20:19.559 like it was like an area that was a harder bottom. 1:20:19.680 --> 1:20:21.120 There was a little bit of a rise up like 1:20:21.200 --> 1:20:23.679 maybe some old rock down there, but still pretty smooth. 1:20:23.800 --> 1:20:27.200 He said, any feature will gang them up, that's what 1:20:27.320 --> 1:20:30.200 he said. It totally blows me away that you can 1:20:30.280 --> 1:20:33.719 have this like so uniform bottom and there's one little 1:20:35.320 --> 1:20:38.439 hummock or hill in it and that's all it takes. 1:20:38.479 --> 1:20:40.920 And they must have been piled. It must have been 1:20:41.000 --> 1:20:43.519 because we made what how many passes? Do we make? Three? Three? 1:20:44.160 --> 1:20:49.160 Three passes over getting at one or two? So we 1:20:49.240 --> 1:20:54.320 had six dudes, five grown ups, my older boy, and 1:20:55.760 --> 1:20:58.040 so we're allowed to put twelve lincod in the boat. 1:20:59.280 --> 1:21:05.160 And yeah, there's maybe a few passes, four passes, and 1:21:05.200 --> 1:21:07.080 you bring that flounder like you put a hook through 1:21:07.120 --> 1:21:12.080 his lip, run the other hook around back by his tail, 1:21:12.120 --> 1:21:17.160 put it in there, drop it down and boom. That's 1:21:17.200 --> 1:21:19.320 kind of what it sounds like. If you could hear it. No, 1:21:19.520 --> 1:21:21.320 if you could hear it, I think it would sound 1:21:21.400 --> 1:21:26.760 like it would sound like um right, all right, all right, 1:21:27.400 --> 1:21:36.120 nah right, what exactly that I think they because other 1:21:36.240 --> 1:21:40.720 places just right, the only word I could think for it, 1:21:41.680 --> 1:21:43.040 I don't want to say the word I could think 1:21:43.080 --> 1:21:46.280 for how Lincoln normally hits. I was gonna say, be 1:21:46.479 --> 1:21:51.840 slap it, like they be slap that bag right here, 1:21:51.920 --> 1:21:54.439 they mouth it, kind of pick it up, they mouth it. 1:21:55.360 --> 1:21:59.840 Then all of a sudden, he's just going I'd like 1:22:00.040 --> 1:22:07.000 to see it. Toads, big toads, dragons, dragons, Like you 1:22:07.040 --> 1:22:09.400 could take both the fists. You can take both your 1:22:09.439 --> 1:22:12.320 fists together. How big was the biggest one we had, 1:22:12.840 --> 1:22:18.680 say sixteen pounds, I would just less than eight ninety 1:22:18.800 --> 1:22:21.200 at the top. You can take both your fists knuckle 1:22:21.360 --> 1:22:25.479 knuckle and stick in his mouth without touching the teeth 1:22:26.720 --> 1:22:31.479 and fully flared out like that. We should talk about teeth. 1:22:31.760 --> 1:22:34.759 I think that's why people call him dragons is because 1:22:35.479 --> 1:22:38.599 the mouth he could you could like you do when 1:22:38.600 --> 1:22:40.720 you fold your socks right, how you could like take 1:22:40.800 --> 1:22:45.680 your mom your sock and like jam it, reverse it. 1:22:47.400 --> 1:22:49.160 It's almos Like you open that mouth up. It's like 1:22:49.240 --> 1:22:53.120 you could put the fish back through the mouth. Yeah, yeah, 1:22:54.360 --> 1:22:56.840 you could. Like you can cut him off at the 1:22:56.920 --> 1:23:01.360 gills and then turn around and in his his corpse, 1:23:01.439 --> 1:23:06.559 his carcass back through his mouth problem. Remember the sculpting family. 1:23:07.600 --> 1:23:12.040 Just an amazing fish in a pectoral fin that doesn't quit. 1:23:12.720 --> 1:23:15.559 A pectoral fin the size of your hands spread out, Yeah, 1:23:15.640 --> 1:23:18.720 the size of a grown man's hand, completely spread out. Snaky. 1:23:19.200 --> 1:23:20.680 It's one of those fishing people. I was like, Oh, 1:23:20.720 --> 1:23:23.360 he's ugly, and I'm like, yeah, but in a beautiful 1:23:23.360 --> 1:23:25.240 sort of way. In a beautiful kind of way. Yeah. 1:23:25.400 --> 1:23:27.840 And they get like the females get that big old 1:23:28.120 --> 1:23:30.840 belly on them, you know, that big old link cod 1:23:30.880 --> 1:23:34.920 apple bottom kind of just back there by their vent. 1:23:35.720 --> 1:23:38.000 They just get this big swollen belly and they're just 1:23:38.680 --> 1:23:40.360 pretty when they come out of the water. They're cool 1:23:40.400 --> 1:23:43.880 looking with their blotchy uniforms kind of colors on them, 1:23:43.960 --> 1:23:47.559 and they're really really cool. I think they're super cool. Yeah. 1:23:47.760 --> 1:23:52.639 I think there's those predatory ambush Predator fish are really cool. 1:23:53.000 --> 1:23:55.360 I mean they fishing them off the jetties and stuff 1:23:55.360 --> 1:23:58.439 back in the Sound. I mean they just they hide 1:23:58.479 --> 1:24:03.599 in the rocks and you just work a swim shad 1:24:03.920 --> 1:24:07.280 down over the rocks and and they just hang there. Man, 1:24:07.400 --> 1:24:09.600 they wait for bait to just come and they're just 1:24:11.720 --> 1:24:13.680 that's that's so surprising of you guys talk about it. 1:24:13.760 --> 1:24:16.479 Where I was associated with hunter plus feet of water, 1:24:16.960 --> 1:24:19.599 I didn't know they'll come up shell. I've I've got 1:24:19.640 --> 1:24:21.479 him in Lesson ten. I've caught him right out here, 1:24:21.600 --> 1:24:24.320 not far from here, in Lesson ten on the opener 1:24:24.360 --> 1:24:26.960 on the sound. We just fished the jetties. It's like 1:24:28.360 --> 1:24:31.040 just you you hit the rocks and just work it 1:24:31.120 --> 1:24:34.960 down the rocks. Jetty. Yeah, I'll be standing on the 1:24:35.080 --> 1:24:37.800 jetty fishing like the foot of the jetty. Basic. It's 1:24:37.800 --> 1:24:41.000 a formidable looking fish man freaking fangs in there. There's 1:24:41.040 --> 1:24:44.200 too Now, there's some footage that you can find online 1:24:44.240 --> 1:24:47.799 where there's a there's a couple of spires in southeast 1:24:47.840 --> 1:24:52.519 Alaska where they've closed it as a study area. It's 1:24:52.560 --> 1:24:55.040 called like Spires Marine Park at sun or another just 1:24:55.120 --> 1:24:58.000 a very small area. But he's he's like these sea mounts. 1:24:58.479 --> 1:25:00.160 They call him Sea Mounts. They were just like a 1:25:00.200 --> 1:25:03.880 small seamounts. They've closed the fishing just for research purposes. 1:25:04.520 --> 1:25:07.240 And there's some submersible footage that came from a submersible 1:25:07.280 --> 1:25:11.160 that went down to one of these spires to film 1:25:11.560 --> 1:25:15.320 what's going on down there. And there's link cod down there, 1:25:15.880 --> 1:25:21.920 giants laying touching side by side, so like laying on 1:25:22.000 --> 1:25:24.639 the rock where they're actually making body contact with another 1:25:24.840 --> 1:25:28.720 with each other, just like spooning. And there's link cod 1:25:29.000 --> 1:25:33.840 that are laying stacked sideways on them, on each other, 1:25:34.920 --> 1:25:38.040 criss crossing each other. You mean, like no, just everywhere, 1:25:38.160 --> 1:25:41.599 laying all over land that's like stacked into the good 1:25:41.640 --> 1:25:46.240 little spots. It's just like it's just not what you 1:25:46.320 --> 1:25:48.080 picture when you picture what's going on down there in 1:25:48.080 --> 1:25:50.840 the bottom of the ocean. Everybody, what's the best fishing spot? Yeah, 1:25:51.520 --> 1:25:56.960 there's Yeah, they crowded in like steelhead fishermen into the zone. Man, 1:25:57.000 --> 1:25:59.040 it's like whatever the current brings stuff behind it doesn't 1:25:59.040 --> 1:26:03.160 want to be in the spot. Yeah, And so pretty 1:26:03.240 --> 1:26:08.840 quickly we had bam bam, bam, bam bam. We had twelve. Yeah, 1:26:09.000 --> 1:26:12.560 those fish are like ten years old, pretty fast. I 1:26:12.640 --> 1:26:16.400 don't know grow I don't know much about that. Rock 1:26:16.479 --> 1:26:19.519 fish grow really super slow. Yeah, they have those slow, 1:26:19.640 --> 1:26:21.720 super slow growers, I know that. And the way they 1:26:21.800 --> 1:26:24.559 regulate here too. So like I said, it's like north 1:26:24.640 --> 1:26:26.240 you here, you go out and fish Lanecount you're a 1:26:26.240 --> 1:26:28.360 loud one a day. It's a six week season, you're 1:26:28.360 --> 1:26:29.960 allowed one a day, and he's got to be between 1:26:30.000 --> 1:26:32.920 twenty six and thirty six inches. Here, you're allowed to 1:26:33.080 --> 1:26:35.879 a day. But what they do is they open certain depths, 1:26:37.640 --> 1:26:39.519 so like early season will open you gotta be a 1:26:39.840 --> 1:26:42.719 you can't fish any deeper than what one twenty something 1:26:42.760 --> 1:26:44.320 like that. And then you get to a certain date 1:26:44.320 --> 1:26:46.439 and they'll stagger it out and let you go down 1:26:46.560 --> 1:26:48.439 and fish to like I don't know what, I don't 1:26:48.439 --> 1:26:50.200 know what it is right now, but they'll let you 1:26:50.360 --> 1:26:52.479 go to the next depth out and fish to like 1:26:52.560 --> 1:26:56.800 an unlimited depth or like another another chunk of depth 1:26:57.120 --> 1:27:00.840 in order to spread out people's pressure angler pressure as 1:27:00.880 --> 1:27:03.400 you go out. But man, just like judging by like 1:27:03.520 --> 1:27:05.840 the very anecdotal stuff of what happened today, it does 1:27:05.880 --> 1:27:08.439 not seem like it seems like a pretty well managed fishery. 1:27:09.000 --> 1:27:11.479 It would be like that, because then the minute we 1:27:11.520 --> 1:27:16.440 get done going after link cod, we go to get rockfish, 1:27:18.120 --> 1:27:22.360 and that was unbelievable. Some of the best I've ever seen. 1:27:23.160 --> 1:27:25.400 And rock fish, I think it's like in the Pacific, 1:27:25.479 --> 1:27:29.519 I think there's thirty two different species of rockfish running 1:27:29.520 --> 1:27:35.240 around upper twenties, just even in Alaska waters, and they 1:27:35.320 --> 1:27:38.360 regulate them up there where you have like pelagic and 1:27:38.479 --> 1:27:41.680 non plagic rockfish, So some rockfish or bottom dwellers that 1:27:41.800 --> 1:27:45.760 associate with a certain feature and don't move around the 1:27:45.800 --> 1:27:49.160 whole ton. And then you have your plagic rockfish which 1:27:49.280 --> 1:27:52.160 roam around in these big schools. And we're getting onto 1:27:52.200 --> 1:27:57.760 plagic rockfish where we're in two feet of water, but 1:27:57.880 --> 1:28:02.599 the school is suspended fifty below the boat from fifty 1:28:02.760 --> 1:28:10.920 seventy below, and holy ship, that's especially compared to the 1:28:11.000 --> 1:28:14.400 ones that we're catching up at your place. Usually the 1:28:14.520 --> 1:28:17.920 yellow eyes are big, but the average quill back and 1:28:18.880 --> 1:28:24.200 whatever else we catch maybe, but like a big dusky, yeah, 1:28:24.200 --> 1:28:26.439 you know you're right, quill backs not nowhere in your 1:28:26.439 --> 1:28:31.840 tube your average pound. Yeah, But then a yellow eye 1:28:31.880 --> 1:28:35.200 will beat some bruisers. You know, fourteen would be big, 1:28:35.280 --> 1:28:38.639 I mean not big, but like a normal day out, 1:28:38.680 --> 1:28:40.560 if you got one those thirteen fourteen pounds, that's a 1:28:40.600 --> 1:28:42.960 big one. You hear of them, and I think there 1:28:43.080 --> 1:28:45.200 used to be a lot more of them. It would 1:28:45.200 --> 1:28:47.840 be you know, thirty pounds, thirty five pounds. You hear that, 1:28:48.040 --> 1:28:50.760 But like typically if you get a fourteen or it's like, wow, 1:28:51.040 --> 1:28:54.719 that's a bit right. These today we're what on average 1:28:55.960 --> 1:29:02.400 the rock fish yeah, ohee five gray and yellowtail ye 1:29:02.720 --> 1:29:09.599 black black rock fish and yellowtail rock fish and beauties beauties. 1:29:09.640 --> 1:29:13.120 Though some of those yellowtail rock fish had shoulders on them. Man, 1:29:13.200 --> 1:29:16.000 they were nice. Yeah you want a picture, man, there's 1:29:16.040 --> 1:29:19.639 shaped like a um you imagine like the body shape 1:29:20.000 --> 1:29:24.559 is like a souped up beefy lineback or small mouth 1:29:24.800 --> 1:29:29.120 yeah yeah, small mouth bass yeah, not as like uh 1:29:30.280 --> 1:29:34.679 like wide, let's say, as a large mouth, like wide. 1:29:34.720 --> 1:29:37.400 If you're looking down at them from at the top 1:29:37.439 --> 1:29:39.479 of their back, they're not as wide as a large mouth. 1:29:39.600 --> 1:29:43.080 But they're built, you know, profile wise a lot like that. 1:29:43.680 --> 1:29:48.479 But yeah, man, and they're cool too many drop Yeah, 1:29:48.520 --> 1:29:50.280 you drop it down through the school, and you got 1:29:50.360 --> 1:29:53.439 two hooks on and you drop it down through the school, 1:29:53.439 --> 1:29:54.960 and as soon as you put the brakes on it, 1:29:55.400 --> 1:29:59.160 then most of the time you're pulling up doubles. We 1:29:59.280 --> 1:30:01.559 had more double the day. I was shocked how many 1:30:01.600 --> 1:30:04.880 devils we had. I mean quick, like, you drop it 1:30:04.960 --> 1:30:07.240 down through that school, you get a bite and it's wham. 1:30:07.520 --> 1:30:09.680 I think you get that first one, and as you're 1:30:09.720 --> 1:30:12.400 reeling it up, that little flies dangling or whatever it is, 1:30:14.520 --> 1:30:17.880 buddies going nuts now flies up there dancing around, and 1:30:17.960 --> 1:30:20.639 the other one's like, oh, what's that? Yeah, don't mind 1:30:20.640 --> 1:30:24.720 if I do. We voted forty plus rock fishing under 1:30:24.760 --> 1:30:27.280 that many minutes. Probably yeah, it was definitely, yeah, I 1:30:27.320 --> 1:30:30.360 would say, oh for sure. And then there you haven't 1:30:30.360 --> 1:30:34.280 where you got a hundred plus pounds of you got yeah, 1:30:35.000 --> 1:30:37.920 hundred plus pounds of rock fist laying there. Seven rock 1:30:38.040 --> 1:30:42.599 fish per person a good limit to linco Man, Yeah 1:30:42.640 --> 1:30:48.720 that was probably what was that a hundred quart uh cooler? Yeah? Right? 1:30:48.800 --> 1:30:53.760 Did he had back there? Yeah? What's bigger than that? 1:30:54.800 --> 1:30:57.120 It's a little bigger than not, I think when Oh, 1:30:57.200 --> 1:31:01.080 maybe I'm wrong. Yeah, so we got twelve and a 1:31:01.160 --> 1:31:03.799 hold on ice. And then we had that giant cooler 1:31:04.080 --> 1:31:07.000 completely full of rock fish. You ever see Cheaching Chong's 1:31:07.000 --> 1:31:09.800 the next movie, Yeah, where it's all about how they 1:31:09.840 --> 1:31:12.679 got that big duffel bag of weed, the roaming around 1:31:12.720 --> 1:31:14.760 the army duffel bag full of weed, and someone asked, 1:31:14.760 --> 1:31:16.360 somebody's gonna do with it all? And he says he's 1:31:16.400 --> 1:31:21.840 gonna smoke something sell something, parties, party with some it's 1:31:21.920 --> 1:31:27.240 like that much fish man. Yeah, smoke some Yeah, I'm 1:31:27.240 --> 1:31:30.960 not gonna sell smoke something. Some smokes them, eat something, 1:31:31.040 --> 1:31:34.120 party with something. I'm gonna give some out to my neighbors. 1:31:34.479 --> 1:31:37.960 Got a couple of neighbors. Yeah, I don't give them 1:31:38.000 --> 1:31:40.080 like crazy stuff that's hard to deal with. But like 1:31:40.200 --> 1:31:44.800 if I go to my neighbors and uh bring them 1:31:44.840 --> 1:31:46.960 like a like a link cod fil a, but not 1:31:47.080 --> 1:31:48.840 the whole thing, like enough for their family to have 1:31:48.920 --> 1:31:52.360 a feed off of, that scores big. I get it 1:31:52.439 --> 1:31:55.200 all ready. That's that's a big thing. My old man. 1:31:55.320 --> 1:31:57.320 It was like, you know, giving away fish and game. 1:31:58.600 --> 1:32:01.920 He do be really care to give it away? We 1:32:02.160 --> 1:32:03.800 have to bring it to neighbors around when I was 1:32:03.840 --> 1:32:05.720 growing up, you know, and to give it away in 1:32:06.040 --> 1:32:09.240 like table ready form, ready to cook. Yeah, you don't 1:32:09.320 --> 1:32:11.599 like go over and like dump a meat game bag 1:32:11.720 --> 1:32:17.920 full of hair. You gim a fish some hair in 1:32:18.000 --> 1:32:20.160 a bloody meat bag. You know, you get all nice, 1:32:20.280 --> 1:32:23.519 man and like it's like to go to your neighbor 1:32:23.880 --> 1:32:26.719 with a hunk of fish or a deer steak or whatever, 1:32:26.840 --> 1:32:29.320 be like this is ready to prepare. Yeah, and what 1:32:29.439 --> 1:32:31.840 you want to do is do this and this. That's 1:32:31.880 --> 1:32:34.040 the way to get neighbors on your side. I've actually 1:32:34.320 --> 1:32:38.759 seen seasoned a filet of fish before for a neighbor 1:32:38.840 --> 1:32:41.360 that just, you know, it's not accustomed to cooking fish. 1:32:42.439 --> 1:32:45.439 Throw this on the grill for this many minutes or whatever. 1:32:46.800 --> 1:32:49.280 It's just easy for him. I get some elder than neighbors, 1:32:49.439 --> 1:32:53.760 neighbors that are working on some hunting permissions with them. 1:32:55.479 --> 1:32:59.200 Shelled some shrimp last time during shrimping season. They'll definitely 1:32:59.280 --> 1:33:04.559 beginning shell shrimp, shell shrimp heads off shelled. But these 1:33:04.600 --> 1:33:08.880 in the pants tam they'll be getting some link maybe 1:33:08.920 --> 1:33:14.600 seasoned it. Yeah, it slow rolling it. It was. It 1:33:14.760 --> 1:33:17.920 was almost surreal. It's nice to give stuff away, man. 1:33:17.960 --> 1:33:20.720 I was like called like it like venison diplomacy man, 1:33:21.439 --> 1:33:23.360 because you can just picture like my neighbors don't hunt 1:33:23.680 --> 1:33:27.519 or you know, barely fish. He pictures someone like brings 1:33:27.600 --> 1:33:31.080 up like, yeah, I'm damn hunters. Right, They're probably gonna 1:33:31.160 --> 1:33:33.200 be like, I don't know, I live one next next one. 1:33:33.240 --> 1:33:36.599 He's all right, brings me all kinds of Yeah. It's 1:33:36.640 --> 1:33:41.040 like the dudes at work, they're like, oh, Tommy Hudson, Yeah, 1:33:41.120 --> 1:33:45.040 he's the one that's always bringing in that pepperoni. Yeah, 1:33:45.080 --> 1:33:48.519 he's got some good pepperoni, makes good pepperoni. Yeah, it's 1:33:48.520 --> 1:33:51.200 good like that. I know a guy like yeah, huts 1:33:52.640 --> 1:33:57.400 bring pepperoni, pepperoni sticks work. You know, it's like, I 1:33:57.479 --> 1:34:02.880 don't know image block. I used to live on Never. 1:34:03.760 --> 1:34:06.120 I love this time of year because I had a boat, 1:34:06.400 --> 1:34:08.639 and I would every time I go out, I dropped 1:34:08.680 --> 1:34:11.479 four crab pots, go out and I'd fish for coho 1:34:11.680 --> 1:34:15.880 and chinook and come back with salmon filets. And then 1:34:16.120 --> 1:34:19.439 you know, you can only eat so many as good 1:34:19.479 --> 1:34:21.240 as Dungeoness crab a is, you can only eat so 1:34:21.840 --> 1:34:24.760 much of it. I'd shell it form, bring them a 1:34:24.800 --> 1:34:30.519 little baggy and dungeoness all they got. Oh man, crack 1:34:30.600 --> 1:34:33.040 it up, cars. I gotta do it for my family anyway, 1:34:33.160 --> 1:34:35.240 crack it up. Giving my in laws just sit there 1:34:35.240 --> 1:34:36.640 and just go to work. Man, are you one of 1:34:36.680 --> 1:34:38.519 those dudes? I gotta ask you something. Are you one 1:34:38.520 --> 1:34:41.400 of those dudes that shells your crab up and then 1:34:42.400 --> 1:34:46.400 you eat it as we can maintain our friendship. But 1:34:46.560 --> 1:34:52.200 my my, my in laws, they paid like the thirty 1:34:52.320 --> 1:34:56.280 nine dollars a pound for shell crab. So when I 1:34:56.360 --> 1:34:58.760 get a bunch of it to a store, they go 1:34:58.880 --> 1:35:01.760 down to Pike Place mark it and buy the shell 1:35:02.040 --> 1:35:05.680 dungeoness crab for forty bucks a pound or whatever it is. 1:35:06.560 --> 1:35:09.240 It's ridiculous. So when I get a bunch of crab, 1:35:09.360 --> 1:35:15.679 I cooked, holding cooked crack out of the you know meat. Yeah, 1:35:16.520 --> 1:35:18.439 they do do They do a good job of picking 1:35:18.479 --> 1:35:21.280 it or you still get little chunks? What do you 1:35:21.320 --> 1:35:25.559 mean when you buy picked crab meat? Still it's pretty clean, 1:35:25.680 --> 1:35:27.960 but you still there's some frag and there you get 1:35:28.040 --> 1:35:29.840 some f every once in a while, you do get 1:35:29.880 --> 1:35:32.479 some frag. Yeah. My kids when they're eating crab cakes 1:35:32.479 --> 1:35:34.080 and they find chunks of shell, they always like to 1:35:34.160 --> 1:35:36.400 point it out to me. You'll get it. Yeah, yeah, 1:35:36.439 --> 1:35:38.240 it's like getting it. It's like getting a egg shelling 1:35:38.280 --> 1:35:40.720 and omelet. You don't get any frag. Never heard about it. 1:35:40.840 --> 1:35:42.479 You pick a clean but you gotta hear about it 1:35:42.560 --> 1:35:46.639 every time. I uh, I like to. I don't mind 1:35:46.720 --> 1:35:48.879 picking a little bit of it and freezing little vacuum 1:35:48.960 --> 1:35:52.680 sealed bags of vacuum sealed bags and pit crab. What 1:35:52.760 --> 1:35:54.760 I did last year, what someone turned me on too, 1:35:55.520 --> 1:35:57.639 was and I did an experiment. They said to pick 1:35:57.680 --> 1:36:00.920 your crab, put in a jar and pour milk over. 1:36:01.000 --> 1:36:03.000 I don't know, Lord knows why poor milk over and 1:36:03.080 --> 1:36:06.280 freeze it, so freeze it in a mason jar in milk. 1:36:07.520 --> 1:36:10.320 So I froze some of that stuff for a year 1:36:12.040 --> 1:36:18.240 just to see, and recently, uh thought it out drained. 1:36:18.280 --> 1:36:22.120 It made some crab cakes. It was almost as good 1:36:22.160 --> 1:36:27.040 as if you would yeah, very well, very well. I 1:36:27.360 --> 1:36:30.840 have heard visiting visiting out of town relatives. I've heard 1:36:30.840 --> 1:36:34.840 the same thing about guys freezing spot prom tails. It's hard. 1:36:35.040 --> 1:36:39.000 I don't like freeze the freeze them. They freeze them 1:36:39.040 --> 1:36:41.120 in milk, like you're saying, Yeah, I'd like to try it, 1:36:41.200 --> 1:36:43.280 because the key to freeze in those things is to 1:36:43.439 --> 1:36:46.559 wash them very thoroughly. Because any of that little rust 1:36:46.640 --> 1:36:50.559 colored gut liquid that when you pull his tail off, 1:36:50.840 --> 1:36:53.320 that's stuff. I don't think they freeze that well. But 1:36:53.400 --> 1:36:56.439 I would be interested in trying another strategy. When I 1:36:56.520 --> 1:36:57.800 get a bunch of those in the freezer, I go 1:36:57.920 --> 1:37:02.640 through them quick. Yeah they're deliciou us go through them 1:37:02.680 --> 1:37:08.240 quick now, this fish. What I'll do is I'll I 1:37:08.400 --> 1:37:13.320 used to like I used to be down on vac seals. 1:37:14.200 --> 1:37:17.680 I used to be down in vacuum bags. And I 1:37:17.720 --> 1:37:19.560 don't know if it's from using a lot of like 1:37:19.720 --> 1:37:22.519 low quality vacuum bags, but I'll be down on vacuum 1:37:22.560 --> 1:37:25.800 bags because I found it so often. I would vacceal 1:37:25.960 --> 1:37:28.639 something and then a month later, look and it wasn't 1:37:28.680 --> 1:37:32.320 vack sealed anymore. And I used to think that the 1:37:32.640 --> 1:37:35.000 bags were bad, that the seals gave out. And what 1:37:35.080 --> 1:37:38.439 I now realized is that I was treating them too rough, 1:37:39.680 --> 1:37:43.479 digging around on the freezer in a braiding the bags. 1:37:45.200 --> 1:37:47.040 Or I would be up in my fish shack and 1:37:47.080 --> 1:37:49.639 we would vac seal fish. And then I just throw 1:37:49.720 --> 1:37:52.759 it on into a cooler right and let it jostle 1:37:52.760 --> 1:37:54.720 around and check it out an airplane and bring it home. 1:37:54.760 --> 1:37:56.360 And I'd be like, oh, the vacuum bag, they've lost 1:37:56.400 --> 1:38:01.800 their seal because what you're doing is like banging it 1:38:01.880 --> 1:38:06.120 around and it makes holes and stuff. And once I 1:38:06.240 --> 1:38:12.000 realized that, um, once I realized that you can eliminate 1:38:12.080 --> 1:38:14.479 that with careful handling, or to put when you're packing 1:38:14.560 --> 1:38:16.840 them in a fish box of cooler, put a layer down, 1:38:17.240 --> 1:38:19.599 Put a layer of newsprint or something down. Put more 1:38:19.680 --> 1:38:23.559 in there. I never had problems with it anymore. Now 1:38:23.640 --> 1:38:26.120 when I have accial something, I don't know, something like 1:38:26.240 --> 1:38:30.400 a better quality bag or what. But when I have 1:38:30.520 --> 1:38:34.000 actual something out, that thing stays back seal. Yeah, there's 1:38:34.040 --> 1:38:38.680 definitely in different levels. We've used some knockoff brands and 1:38:39.000 --> 1:38:40.920 the Western ones that we're using now, I was seemed 1:38:40.920 --> 1:38:45.200 to be a lot, and I used to mess around 1:38:45.280 --> 1:38:49.240 where I had, you know, like I don't know, man, 1:38:49.360 --> 1:38:54.559 like little rinky dink rinky dink bad Steelers that didn't 1:38:54.560 --> 1:38:59.160 pull a seal. I've definitely had that happen. Yeah, like 1:38:59.240 --> 1:39:02.600 you end up with the old whatever brand that's been 1:39:02.640 --> 1:39:05.439 sitting in somebody's cupboard that you borrow. Isn't happened to 1:39:05.479 --> 1:39:06.960 me for a while. And I tried to get through 1:39:07.000 --> 1:39:09.000 a deer one year by doing it because it was 1:39:09.120 --> 1:39:12.240 just in. It just didn't work out. Yeah, I love 1:39:12.320 --> 1:39:14.200 the one. The one I got now, it's like I 1:39:14.360 --> 1:39:18.360 keep it on a high shelf, so it's like a 1:39:19.000 --> 1:39:21.920 they called the Yeah, well it's no. I got a 1:39:22.000 --> 1:39:24.000 chamber ceil. I got like a Western chambers here, which 1:39:24.000 --> 1:39:25.479 I love at my fish shack. But I just have 1:39:25.600 --> 1:39:30.320 like the model which is heavy right like I keep 1:39:30.360 --> 1:39:32.320 it on a high shelf and it's like you're getting 1:39:32.360 --> 1:39:35.160 it down. What's this big heavy thing? But I'm telling 1:39:35.200 --> 1:39:40.840 you what, man, that thing it cranks. I love him now. 1:39:40.960 --> 1:39:42.960 So what I'm getting at now is I'm gonna take 1:39:43.000 --> 1:39:47.080 these fish home and I'll pad them dry, like I'll 1:39:47.200 --> 1:39:50.000 rinse it, give it a light rents. I'll actually pat 1:39:50.120 --> 1:39:54.360 that thing dry and get those things already and uh 1:39:55.200 --> 1:39:59.200 put them in those serving sized things. Zapp him in 1:39:59.240 --> 1:40:02.120 the seiler lamb in the freezer, and it just looks 1:40:02.160 --> 1:40:05.400 beautiful when you get them all lined up. And I 1:40:05.400 --> 1:40:07.599 don't freeze fish and water. I used to freeze fishing water. 1:40:07.640 --> 1:40:10.639 I don't freeze the water. Now. You gotta dry him though, 1:40:10.920 --> 1:40:13.479 Pad him dry, gotta dry, you know, pad him dry 1:40:14.280 --> 1:40:16.559 and freeze them. And I find that you can get 1:40:16.600 --> 1:40:19.800 away with freeze them longer. Uh freeze fish long with 1:40:19.880 --> 1:40:24.639 the skin off. Why do you think that? Because I've 1:40:24.720 --> 1:40:26.439 just discovered over time, I think there's a lot of 1:40:26.479 --> 1:40:29.719 slime in that skin. And so when I I oftentimes 1:40:29.800 --> 1:40:31.800 freeze fish skin on. And I found it when you 1:40:31.920 --> 1:40:33.519 pull if you let a fish go too long in 1:40:33.560 --> 1:40:35.080 your freezer and you pull it off and you're like 1:40:36.040 --> 1:40:38.320 like I'm always thinking, like will my wife flag this 1:40:38.479 --> 1:40:42.120 as skanky? Right, like the way salmon doesn't last that 1:40:42.200 --> 1:40:45.040 long in a freezer. If if if you pull it 1:40:45.080 --> 1:40:48.040 out and it's a little skanky, like do a Pepsi 1:40:48.160 --> 1:40:52.160 challenge and take a skin, a skin salmon, flay, skinned, 1:40:52.160 --> 1:40:55.040 wall I flay, skin link cod flay whatever it is. 1:40:55.320 --> 1:40:57.720 And one one with skin off, one with skin on, 1:40:58.400 --> 1:41:01.799 vaccine and both put him in your freezer for five months, 1:41:02.080 --> 1:41:05.040 pull them out and with them and I'm telling you, man, 1:41:05.400 --> 1:41:08.960 that skin one there's there's a layer of fat, and 1:41:09.040 --> 1:41:13.800 there's some slime and maybe there's like it better, So 1:41:13.920 --> 1:41:15.240 you're gonna pull it out, and that one with the 1:41:15.280 --> 1:41:17.639 skin is gonna be skankier than the one without skin. 1:41:18.360 --> 1:41:20.400 I can see that. I dry the heck out of 1:41:20.479 --> 1:41:26.200 my skin though, like I yeah, I mean I go 1:41:26.360 --> 1:41:29.760 through rolls of paper towels. If I'm vacuum seeing on 1:41:29.760 --> 1:41:31.720 a bunch of fish with skin, and then I put 1:41:31.880 --> 1:41:36.840 meat to meat, so you have skin out, skin out. Yeah, 1:41:36.920 --> 1:41:39.559 you don't want skin on your flesh. The reason we'll 1:41:39.600 --> 1:41:43.240 do that you have that and see that a long 1:41:43.320 --> 1:41:49.880 time I keep I'm still eating co hole from last June. 1:41:50.600 --> 1:41:54.280 That's good. The reason will do sometimes we'll freeze salmon 1:41:54.360 --> 1:41:57.960 like that meat to meat skin out is because if 1:41:58.000 --> 1:42:00.760 you don't have time to pull the pinbones, the pinbone 1:42:01.120 --> 1:42:03.160 can braid the vacuum bags that you pull a good 1:42:03.200 --> 1:42:06.479 suck on it. Pinbones, Well, you can poke a hole 1:42:06.520 --> 1:42:07.920 in your back bag and then you think you gotta 1:42:07.920 --> 1:42:10.040 sweet looking salmon your freezer, and then a week later 1:42:10.120 --> 1:42:16.960 it's not because the pinbone ruptured the thing. Yeah, any bone, 1:42:17.760 --> 1:42:20.639 you can do it careful. But I have a pair 1:42:20.680 --> 1:42:24.280 of nine dollar Japanese bone pickers. Like the world's greatest 1:42:24.320 --> 1:42:25.640 book I ever made. I can't tell you what it's called. 1:42:25.840 --> 1:42:28.240 I can't read Japanese. My broody brought me a Japanese 1:42:28.280 --> 1:42:31.720 fish cleaning book from Japan. There's not a fish on 1:42:31.800 --> 1:42:33.920 the plant that's not in this book. I'm surprised to's 1:42:33.920 --> 1:42:35.599 not how to clean a whale shark in this book. 1:42:35.640 --> 1:42:40.000 Like everything is in this book, man from everything is 1:42:40.040 --> 1:42:42.640 in this book breakdown on how to do it. And 1:42:42.680 --> 1:42:45.400 I noticed this guy is always using these like special 1:42:45.520 --> 1:42:49.960 bone picking players. So I bought these these souped up 1:42:50.840 --> 1:42:54.639 Japanese bone pickers for nine bucks. I love those things 1:42:55.439 --> 1:42:58.720 where but I found him on Amazon. They just got 1:42:58.800 --> 1:43:01.280 They're just like a needle nose with just flatten. It's 1:43:01.320 --> 1:43:03.680 like a fingernail clipper but not but strong. And it's 1:43:03.760 --> 1:43:05.599 why you can pluck two three out of time when 1:43:05.600 --> 1:43:09.519 you're pulling po Yeah, and I keep that in a 1:43:09.680 --> 1:43:13.400 special corner of a special drawer. How does jes needle 1:43:13.479 --> 1:43:15.840 know this? But that sounds like it's no, you need 1:43:15.920 --> 1:43:24.720 that Japanese bone pickers? Anything else? Good stuff? Now? Great day, 1:43:25.160 --> 1:43:26.680 you got any dad? You didn't say any about our 1:43:26.680 --> 1:43:29.400 fishing trip. You didn't have any fun? Oh my goodness, gracious. 1:43:29.640 --> 1:43:33.040 Trying to take care of my arms from all that cranking, 1:43:33.120 --> 1:43:36.200 all that cranking, that's my that's my one great because 1:43:36.200 --> 1:43:38.080 I only like to use light tackle because it because 1:43:38.880 --> 1:43:41.720 because the sports like it. Sure, but I wouldn't have 1:43:41.840 --> 1:43:43.439 I would have liked to have my own jack and 1:43:43.520 --> 1:43:45.800 rod where I like, where there's a better It was 1:43:45.840 --> 1:43:50.880 a little bit thicker, right, just a little heavier, a 1:43:50.960 --> 1:43:55.200 little bit heavier, maybe just a touch. Big freaking dragons, mane. 1:43:55.600 --> 1:43:58.120 You know you're out them out you're two of water. 1:43:58.160 --> 1:44:00.600 And that's that reel is kind of twisting. Yeah, I 1:44:00.680 --> 1:44:02.599 kind of want something I can really get some purchase 1:44:02.680 --> 1:44:05.439 on with my with my hand up front, I feel 1:44:05.439 --> 1:44:08.839 like I'm sneaking my hand up the up the blank itself, 1:44:09.040 --> 1:44:11.360 off the grip on the front, try to get some 1:44:11.479 --> 1:44:13.960 torque on that thing, and like change up my grip, 1:44:14.120 --> 1:44:16.439 like I just need I need some purchase up my 1:44:16.520 --> 1:44:21.880 main jigg and rod. The widow Maker has front. The 1:44:22.040 --> 1:44:24.680 front grip on the widow Maker is like holding the 1:44:24.720 --> 1:44:27.360 beer bottle. And man, you can horse up some fish 1:44:27.439 --> 1:44:29.960 with that thing, man, because it's it's got a soft 1:44:30.120 --> 1:44:34.840 foamy thing. And then you got a big handle like 1:44:34.960 --> 1:44:37.160 a dial. Hand. I got this like a like a 1:44:37.280 --> 1:44:40.000 dial with level wine that you can grab onto that 1:44:40.160 --> 1:44:42.639 and you can grab that grip and when it's time 1:44:42.680 --> 1:44:45.120 to get it done and get a fish up off, 1:44:45.400 --> 1:44:48.160 you know, sucking them up off two water. It's just 1:44:48.960 --> 1:44:53.200 very comfortable. How long is it? Wong? Yeah, Like I 1:44:53.200 --> 1:44:54.760 feel like I'd like to mention the name of the 1:44:54.880 --> 1:44:59.120 charter guys again because again, yeah, yeah, I know they 1:44:59.160 --> 1:45:01.800 were dialed. I like those guys quite a bit, man. Yeah, 1:45:01.840 --> 1:45:05.000 They're just good. It's great boat and great places. It 1:45:05.120 --> 1:45:07.200 seemed like it might be a little underutilized. I don't know, 1:45:07.400 --> 1:45:13.519 all rivers and saltwater saltwater charters, all rivers and saltwater charters. 1:45:13.840 --> 1:45:16.680 And it was Ian and Nick. Yeah, And I don't know, 1:45:17.000 --> 1:45:20.320 like if those dudes couldn't go, I don't know that 1:45:20.479 --> 1:45:25.800 I would uh say, like, don't only go because like 1:45:27.400 --> 1:45:33.080 you have to you kind of think that that you 1:45:33.200 --> 1:45:35.680 like the hope that the company in general Foster's that 1:45:35.880 --> 1:45:37.560 kind of absolutely like I don't know, maybe it was 1:45:37.600 --> 1:45:39.120 a fluke that those guys are so cool to hang 1:45:39.160 --> 1:45:40.839 out with, but you like to think that the company 1:45:40.880 --> 1:45:44.720 in general Foster's that kind of relationship because it was 1:45:44.920 --> 1:45:47.879 like fishing with dudes that you would normally fish with exactly. 1:45:48.320 --> 1:45:51.320 It wasn't something blow hard, you know, screaming at because 1:45:51.360 --> 1:45:53.400 you had some sunscreen on your hand and touch his 1:45:53.520 --> 1:45:55.559 rod or something that we had the other boat pull 1:45:55.680 --> 1:45:59.000 up next to us and you know, talking on the 1:45:59.080 --> 1:46:02.920 radio with and and uh yeah, they weren't catching nearly 1:46:03.000 --> 1:46:05.680 the amount of fish that we were catching, but they 1:46:05.720 --> 1:46:08.040 were trying to do something different. But they were having 1:46:08.040 --> 1:46:09.840 a great time. They were had a good time, but 1:46:09.880 --> 1:46:13.400 they were trying to salmon snea. Yeah, they were rock. Yeah, 1:46:13.520 --> 1:46:15.680 they were doing a combo trip, salmon, rock fish. But 1:46:15.800 --> 1:46:18.760 they seem like they totally looked like they were having 1:46:18.760 --> 1:46:21.000 a good time though. Yeah, So I think regardless is 1:46:21.040 --> 1:46:23.240 just a good operation. Yeah. If I was gonna tell 1:46:23.360 --> 1:46:25.240 someone in this zone, like if I was gonna tell 1:46:25.280 --> 1:46:28.400 someone within a day's drive or whatever, if they want 1:46:28.479 --> 1:46:33.519 to do like a meat run, yeah, very good meat run. Yeah, 1:46:33.880 --> 1:46:35.479 I would be like I would go out and say, 1:46:35.600 --> 1:46:38.320 like I would go out, hope for the right weather 1:46:38.960 --> 1:46:43.320 and go out and do the line cod, rockfish. Yeah. Yeah. 1:46:44.080 --> 1:46:47.320 Far as far as having like you know, years worth 1:46:47.320 --> 1:46:51.120 of fish tacos, we got that covered. Like you can 1:46:51.160 --> 1:46:53.679 catch salmon and steelhead and all that stuff and rivers. 1:46:53.720 --> 1:46:56.880 If if you want closer to home, man, you're gonna 1:46:56.960 --> 1:47:00.439 run to the coast man, take a rock fish, my 1:47:00.520 --> 1:47:03.479 little boy, he's like nowhere. Once you realized you can't 1:47:03.479 --> 1:47:06.040 like see the beach. Yeah, And we saw an ocean 1:47:06.080 --> 1:47:09.479 we forgot. We saw an oceanic sunfish that was and 1:47:09.960 --> 1:47:12.799 a seal that was having some issues, a dying seal, 1:47:13.360 --> 1:47:22.479 baby seal blind fishing trip of his life eight years. 1:47:22.720 --> 1:47:26.439 I take a little bit offense to that. Uh, he's 1:47:26.479 --> 1:47:29.400 had some good days on the water. He really liked it. Um, 1:47:29.840 --> 1:47:32.240 I liked it. Seeing the oceanic sunfish is cool. So 1:47:32.280 --> 1:47:35.360 it's like a big weird fish. They're like round with 1:47:35.479 --> 1:47:36.920 a fin on top of the bottom. They kind of 1:47:36.960 --> 1:47:39.000 lay on their side or lay up right and cruise 1:47:39.040 --> 1:47:41.840 the world's ocean feeding on jellyfish at the surface. I 1:47:41.920 --> 1:47:46.599 did not I always wondered what they're on the top. 1:47:46.880 --> 1:47:49.479 They were like and that Like, yeah, that fish could 1:47:49.520 --> 1:47:53.840 turn up in Hawaii. Yeah, that's amazing. They just roam around. Man, 1:47:53.960 --> 1:47:57.640 they gotta get hit by boats all the time. So 1:47:57.960 --> 1:47:59.920 that was cool. Saw a seal that has some seri 1:48:00.080 --> 1:48:05.799 his problems, like an emaciated baby seal not quite totally 1:48:06.320 --> 1:48:09.000 close to death, but maybe leaning in that direction eventually 1:48:09.120 --> 1:48:12.920 he's he was weird. I've never seen a seal with 1:48:13.040 --> 1:48:17.160 barnacles on it. Like. He wasn't doing too good. Yeah, 1:48:17.240 --> 1:48:19.680 he was just kind of rolling around. Anything else any 1:48:19.680 --> 1:48:23.760 other highlights, No, just good company, always good traveling. Lots 1:48:23.800 --> 1:48:27.240 of fish, but none was knighte. So the dude had 1:48:27.240 --> 1:48:29.960 to clean all that fish. Yeah, he was a rock 1:48:30.080 --> 1:48:33.240 fish and he was pretty handy. But I mean I 1:48:33.320 --> 1:48:36.160 felt bad. I just like stay. I don't like I 1:48:36.200 --> 1:48:39.240 get uncomfortable staying around watching someone work. Yeah, I do too. 1:48:39.960 --> 1:48:43.479 That's an awkward situation. So here he is cleaning. He 1:48:43.680 --> 1:48:48.479 was handy with that. Those situations. They'd rather have you 1:48:48.560 --> 1:48:52.120 out of their way than trying to help. So yeah, 1:48:52.160 --> 1:48:55.160 and he'd rather, I think, do the work and make 1:48:55.240 --> 1:48:58.960 the extra extra cash. Yeah, then you're trying to pay 1:48:59.040 --> 1:49:05.479 him thirty eight. Bam, you cleaned four? Yea four? Yeah? 1:49:05.840 --> 1:49:11.000 Probably why brings one flame. Yeah, there's anyway. Yeah, I 1:49:11.080 --> 1:49:12.800 noticed they had to sign up to that said if 1:49:12.840 --> 1:49:16.800 you lost your ride, you gotta pay for it, which 1:49:16.840 --> 1:49:18.639 could have hit me and Jimmy darn here. I guess 1:49:18.680 --> 1:49:21.320 you paid for that one though. We were out trolling 1:49:21.400 --> 1:49:26.080 salmon on uh Jimmy Darren's boat on July three. He 1:49:26.200 --> 1:49:29.679 keeps the boat moored in Seattle, and he had bought 1:49:29.760 --> 1:49:34.120 his wife, his girlfriend. You gotta marry her more than likely. Sure, 1:49:34.160 --> 1:49:37.120 I think you should. I've met both. I've met both 1:49:37.160 --> 1:49:42.280 of you, alright, I met both of you. And she's 1:49:42.439 --> 1:49:45.280 very tallerant. Let's just put it down. So he for Christmas, 1:49:45.360 --> 1:49:48.040 he buys her fishing rod, which she doesn't want anyways. No, 1:49:49.840 --> 1:49:53.840 it's barely if there's any weather at all, she's just sick. 1:49:54.040 --> 1:49:55.920 So he's like, you know, I really thought about us 1:49:56.040 --> 1:49:58.519 and thought about you, and I've been thinking a lot 1:49:58.560 --> 1:50:00.400 about what you need, you know, what I can bring 1:50:00.479 --> 1:50:04.200 to this. And I botched his fish pole and we're 1:50:04.280 --> 1:50:08.400 fighting to fish and look my kids there. It's a 1:50:08.479 --> 1:50:11.640 little bit chaotic for a second. And he's working on 1:50:11.720 --> 1:50:13.280 a rod and lays the rod on the roof of 1:50:13.320 --> 1:50:15.160 the boat that moved it out of the way, and 1:50:15.240 --> 1:50:17.400 I just laid it on the on They just trying 1:50:17.439 --> 1:50:19.280 to net this. He's trying to net a king that 1:50:19.360 --> 1:50:22.599 we had and all of a sudden, net rod into 1:50:22.640 --> 1:50:26.720 the drink. Done. So he's like gonna jump in and like, 1:50:26.960 --> 1:50:33.200 no digitility lost it? Or do you just so, how's 1:50:33.240 --> 1:50:36.800 my fishing rod? And she's not gonna ask. Oh, it's fine, 1:50:36.840 --> 1:50:38.439 it's right there because I gotta go up to John's 1:50:38.439 --> 1:50:42.600 and everybody Jimmy high and I've been looking high for 1:50:42.680 --> 1:50:45.240 the fishing rod you purchased me for Christmas and me 1:50:45.320 --> 1:50:46.920 and my girlfriends are going to go on a trip 1:50:47.040 --> 1:50:49.639 next week. Yeah, but it's a sucky feeling to watch 1:50:49.680 --> 1:50:51.639 a few hundred bucks sink to the bottle and here, 1:50:51.960 --> 1:50:53.400 you know that thing had never even been on a 1:50:53.439 --> 1:50:55.519 down rigger. It had never been fished. I had rigged 1:50:55.560 --> 1:50:57.200 it for the very first time that day because I 1:50:57.280 --> 1:51:01.000 was having additional people on the boat, and it was 1:51:01.080 --> 1:51:03.160 just irony. And it's the calm of it all, because 1:51:03.240 --> 1:51:05.240 let's be straight, I was, you know, it's Christmas, and 1:51:05.240 --> 1:51:06.799 I was a little jammed up. And we've been together 1:51:06.880 --> 1:51:10.040 long enough to buying presence has become fairly problematic because 1:51:10.080 --> 1:51:13.920 we've already bought everything. And and I saw the fishing 1:51:13.960 --> 1:51:15.880 around him, like she's not gonna give a shit about 1:51:16.000 --> 1:51:18.760 the thing, but like, but it's just more wrapped up 1:51:18.840 --> 1:51:21.280 crap under the tree, and I'm trying to keep it 1:51:21.560 --> 1:51:24.240 even because she just goes so overboard every year with Christmas. 1:51:24.360 --> 1:51:25.880 Oh you're trying to stack it to make it look 1:51:25.920 --> 1:51:29.120 like you bott It's like when I thought, well, maybe 1:51:29.200 --> 1:51:30.920 she might use it. I mean, at some point, you want, 1:51:31.000 --> 1:51:32.400 if we get a day like we had today on 1:51:32.439 --> 1:51:34.760 the water where it's just nothing, sure she'd you know, 1:51:35.520 --> 1:51:37.880 she'll go fishing with me if it's if we have 1:51:37.920 --> 1:51:41.360 conditions like we had today. But you know the reality 1:51:41.520 --> 1:51:43.439 was like, hey, you know, pressure have backup brought on 1:51:43.520 --> 1:51:50.080 that bone. You know, a yoga mat. That is the 1:51:50.320 --> 1:51:57.960 perfect perfect now that italy on the head, So yeah, 1:51:58.040 --> 1:51:59.880 I'm definitely not gonna let her listen to this one. 1:52:02.680 --> 1:52:04.720 Yeah it was. It was a good day. We cough 1:52:04.800 --> 1:52:07.880 fish awesome. Yeah it's it's one of the greatest things 1:52:07.880 --> 1:52:10.479 about where we live is you know, in Seattle, it's 1:52:11.000 --> 1:52:13.479 I could be on my couch and I like, I 1:52:13.600 --> 1:52:15.720 keep my boat more than sheeld shoal, and I could 1:52:15.800 --> 1:52:18.360 literally be on the couch some many calls where I 1:52:18.360 --> 1:52:20.120 get a wild hair, and I could have down riggers 1:52:20.160 --> 1:52:22.760 in the water and thirty forty minutes. Yeah, when I 1:52:22.800 --> 1:52:24.360 was trying to I was trying to talk you into 1:52:24.360 --> 1:52:26.519 moving back to Montana with me. You said that they 1:52:26.560 --> 1:52:28.840 don't troll salmon. You don't know. My boat won't do 1:52:28.920 --> 1:52:30.400 a whole lot there. I told you can go there 1:52:30.400 --> 1:52:33.479 and troll big old nasty brown's up out a reservoir. Yea, yeah, 1:52:34.280 --> 1:52:37.120 it's a big old nasty muddy taste and brown pretty 1:52:37.120 --> 1:52:40.519 good lately, I'll tell you that much. You got any 1:52:40.520 --> 1:52:43.760 final thoughts, I didn't make correction before someone emails in 1:52:43.920 --> 1:52:46.840 about my reverse slot. I think I'm just tired and 1:52:46.920 --> 1:52:49.960 I was thinking backwards because We had a day last 1:52:50.040 --> 1:52:51.960 year where we were catching on both sides of the 1:52:52.000 --> 1:52:55.160 slot and having to throw them back because you weren't slot. Yeah, 1:52:55.200 --> 1:52:59.400 it was a slot. So it's just eighteen and twenty seven. 1:53:00.479 --> 1:53:03.280 You gotta be within the slab. No sea sickness today 1:53:03.600 --> 1:53:07.080 for you. Yeah, I took jama mean, but you know 1:53:07.160 --> 1:53:09.759 it looked like you took something. Yeah, but you can't. 1:53:10.240 --> 1:53:11.920 Today is not a day to test that. I can't 1:53:11.920 --> 1:53:14.080 say it worked because it was so slick. It was 1:53:14.160 --> 1:53:16.200 like being out on a lake in Michigan. You know, 1:53:17.120 --> 1:53:19.600 I lost, like we talked, was four but fishing with 1:53:19.680 --> 1:53:22.439 you out when you've had sea sickness, I find myself 1:53:22.479 --> 1:53:24.320 like usually just have nothing but love for you. And 1:53:24.400 --> 1:53:25.800 every time I look at you, I'm like, oh yeah, 1:53:26.760 --> 1:53:29.559 but that day watching you all like disinterested and sick 1:53:29.640 --> 1:53:32.720 and everything I looked at smn like kick you off 1:53:32.760 --> 1:53:35.160 the boat. I just like I was like one of 1:53:35.160 --> 1:53:38.719 those people that relies on uh, I like need your strength, 1:53:39.680 --> 1:53:42.200 and seeing you at that and then seeing you at 1:53:42.280 --> 1:53:45.960 less than that, it wasn't like love came up. That 1:53:46.120 --> 1:53:49.600 was like, yeah, I can only I realized that my 1:53:49.680 --> 1:53:52.560 love for him is very shallow, very shallow, and it 1:53:52.640 --> 1:53:58.080 relies on him being like eager, eager, attentive, anticipating what's 1:53:58.080 --> 1:53:59.840 gonna happen next. But to see him just like weak 1:54:00.080 --> 1:54:02.320 end and all sick and not paying attention. He was 1:54:03.840 --> 1:54:05.479 had a fish on and he wasn't even aware of 1:54:05.560 --> 1:54:07.320 it at one point, I think, and I was like, 1:54:07.439 --> 1:54:15.519 oh man, yeah, get out. It's like you make me sick. 1:54:17.520 --> 1:54:21.519 Your sickness makes me sick, Tony any final thoughts, I 1:54:21.520 --> 1:54:23.760 don't really feel that way about Yah. I mean I 1:54:23.840 --> 1:54:26.599 did for a minute, but then I caught myself. Yeah, 1:54:26.840 --> 1:54:29.360 I got it. That was a great day. I mean, 1:54:30.240 --> 1:54:34.400 we couldn't have hit a better day on the water. 1:54:34.800 --> 1:54:37.520 So fantastic. I know we're telling people, we're telling all 1:54:37.520 --> 1:54:39.640 these blugs to go out, like telling people you should 1:54:39.680 --> 1:54:43.879 go do this trip. Watch like just like yeah, everybody's 1:54:43.920 --> 1:54:46.800 still Yeah, you gotta put it stuck to your hand. 1:54:48.000 --> 1:54:50.200 It does not get any better than it got. Today's 1:54:50.440 --> 1:54:53.280 too rough. Yeah, it's too rough to piss, so you 1:54:53.320 --> 1:54:59.280 gotta go on your pants. Yeah. Yeah it's great. Yeah, 1:55:00.000 --> 1:55:03.880 it's excellent. Great place. You're looking to dig into that 1:55:03.960 --> 1:55:07.920 grizzly I am. I guess my concluder is to this 1:55:08.120 --> 1:55:10.840 so nice. It's like, maybe it's not so nice for 1:55:10.920 --> 1:55:13.600 the people live here in Westport, but it's mill of 1:55:13.720 --> 1:55:20.680 July summer and it's quiet here. Yeah. Great. It feels 1:55:20.760 --> 1:55:24.160 like like used to have more activity than it does now. 1:55:24.360 --> 1:55:26.280 It did when I was, like, we spent a lot 1:55:26.320 --> 1:55:28.560 of time camping here as a kid man. Like even 1:55:28.640 --> 1:55:30.520 just driving down the main drag of this place is 1:55:30.600 --> 1:55:33.520 like a like a trip past year old high school, 1:55:34.360 --> 1:55:37.400 like camping with my folks and donate and tackle on 1:55:37.520 --> 1:55:40.400 all the local jettys and running my old man out 1:55:40.440 --> 1:55:43.080 of five dollar bills for extra tackle. It's just like 1:55:44.200 --> 1:55:47.640 it's crazy, and like I remember mornings. I've said this 1:55:47.720 --> 1:55:50.000 a couple of times on this little trip, but like 1:55:50.080 --> 1:55:52.120 I remember mornings where you go down to that little 1:55:52.160 --> 1:55:55.640 main drag where all the charter boats were and it 1:55:55.800 --> 1:56:02.360 was shoulders shoulder, guys, it was just just hustle and bustle, 1:56:02.480 --> 1:56:06.200 like it was afternoon. And now it's like, you know, 1:56:06.320 --> 1:56:08.000 you guys saw it this morning. There's a few people. 1:56:09.200 --> 1:56:12.840 It's sleepy, you describe. Yeah, you know, we we all. Yeah, 1:56:12.960 --> 1:56:15.120 it's just not what it once was. And it's like 1:56:16.240 --> 1:56:21.200 why do too? Part of its kind of sad, Yeah, 1:56:21.320 --> 1:56:24.280 part of me sad, you know, and in a selfish way, 1:56:24.320 --> 1:56:28.000 I like it, I agree, But part of me sad 1:56:28.080 --> 1:56:30.200 because I knew what it once was, and like how 1:56:30.280 --> 1:56:32.840 many different even charter boat companies there were for the 1:56:32.880 --> 1:56:36.400 big boats, and it's like now they're down to two. 1:56:36.480 --> 1:56:39.200 I think I think there was at least five or six. 1:56:40.040 --> 1:56:42.920 Now they're down to two companies. You know, probably I 1:56:43.000 --> 1:56:47.040 don't know handful of boats commercial, but it's right, yeah, 1:56:47.120 --> 1:56:51.000 it's it's and I don't know what it's co credited too, 1:56:51.120 --> 1:56:54.640 but it's like I don't know, Like get your bus 1:56:54.720 --> 1:56:59.640 to Westport. Yeah, take your asses, fishing man, it's worth it. Remember, 1:56:59.680 --> 1:57:01.200 like move and out in this area, you know. And 1:57:01.440 --> 1:57:05.560 my wife, you know, because you know, you'd like to fantasize. 1:57:05.600 --> 1:57:08.080 Oh maybe we'll buy a cabin wherever. I remember her 1:57:08.120 --> 1:57:09.320 being like, oh we should get a cabin out in 1:57:09.320 --> 1:57:12.080 the sand. Muans I'll be like, screw that, man, go 1:57:12.160 --> 1:57:15.200 out to the coast and get a place. Coast coast, Yeah, 1:57:15.280 --> 1:57:20.760 the coast coast coast, the real one. Yeah, anything else, anyone, 1:57:20.960 --> 1:57:24.160 do you have anything else? I can't wait to get 1:57:24.200 --> 1:57:26.840 home and eat some fish. Man. I'm gonna make some 1:57:26.960 --> 1:57:29.800 killer fish tops tomorrow when you're sitting back in Montana, 1:57:30.440 --> 1:57:34.480 far from the ocean, half your house, half your house, 1:57:34.600 --> 1:57:36.800 missing work on your big where you work on your 1:57:36.800 --> 1:57:40.040 big addition, eating some fish, cooking on the camp taste 1:57:40.040 --> 1:57:42.440 of the ocean. I've been camping out, you know, So 1:57:42.440 --> 1:57:44.640 I've been making a lot of meals that make a 1:57:44.840 --> 1:57:49.440 very camping in his house, you know, small footprint, right, 1:57:49.920 --> 1:57:52.520 Like somehow I got talked into making pancakes the other 1:57:52.600 --> 1:57:54.880 day and then I just freaking battery everywhere. I'm like, 1:57:54.920 --> 1:57:57.480 who was thinking about this? Not thinking about doing the dishes, 1:57:57.640 --> 1:58:00.400 but so I was like frying ship was off off 1:58:00.440 --> 1:58:04.680 the table, but not anymore. I'll pay for the extra dishes. 1:58:04.840 --> 1:58:11.080 You gotta grill outside. It's the prep like breading and 1:58:11.360 --> 1:58:17.200 you know, you know, dealing with the oil afterwards. Remember 1:58:17.720 --> 1:58:19.080 are you still doing that? By the way, And do 1:58:19.120 --> 1:58:21.600 you feel like it's paying off filtering your oil? Yeah, 1:58:21.600 --> 1:58:25.839 I've been filter mile and it's it's paying a huge difference, 1:58:26.320 --> 1:58:30.360 huge difference because I run peanut oil and you start 1:58:30.400 --> 1:58:32.520 feeling like a moron filling that friar up with peano 1:58:32.600 --> 1:58:34.920 and when you gotta yeah, man, I get it warm. 1:58:35.040 --> 1:58:38.520 Five seven bucks of gallons. I bring it up warm 1:58:38.600 --> 1:58:41.600 enough to where I like to break down the viscosity 1:58:41.840 --> 1:58:43.480 a little bit. I don't know why. How do to do? 1:58:43.840 --> 1:58:48.000 Get it warm? Run it through that Uh, that synthetic 1:58:48.120 --> 1:58:52.840 filter comes out looking like I don't know, light honey, 1:58:54.200 --> 1:59:04.640 lighter and light honey looks like urine hydrated. You know, 1:59:05.440 --> 1:59:09.920 I don't started putting that cookbooks. I get some piss 1:59:10.000 --> 1:59:13.640 colored oil, all right, thanks for joining