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Speaker 1: Star in Frisco. Hello, Saber Taystock. It's a Wednesday edition

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Speaker 1: of Talking Cowboys from the s WBC Mortgage Studios at

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Speaker 1: the Star in Frisco. The bye week rolls on here

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Speaker 1: on Dallas Cowboys dot Com. Coyle Yeoman's alongside the back

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Speaker 1: to back days of Nick Eatman and Nate Newton, our

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Speaker 1: six time pro bowler in our Dallas Cowboys dot Com specialist,

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Speaker 1: What was the laugh? I was just like, where are

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Speaker 1: you going with with you? Yeah? He's the pro bowler

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Speaker 1: and you're you've just been here? What what did Nate

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Speaker 1: call you yesterday? Everything? Oh that's right? Yeah? You okay, Nate?

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Speaker 1: You could what's finer? Nate? Well you look so sad? Oh? Well,

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Speaker 1: I just want to here we go, you guys, it's

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Speaker 1: under You know what I'm going. Yeah, you said, you

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Speaker 1: say you do that on the show to nothing and

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Speaker 1: I'm glad to be here once again with you guys. Man,

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Speaker 1: great seeing you. What's with the space suit you got

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Speaker 1: on space. You think this is a space suit. It's

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Speaker 1: just so I think you're you're gonna feel bad, Nate,

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Speaker 1: in a few minutes. If if you do ever feel bad,

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Speaker 1: you're about to feel bad. So so the space code.

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Speaker 1: It was a little chilly this morning, but it wasn't

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Speaker 1: necessarily crazy. And I got made fun of last week

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Speaker 1: for wearing like multiple layers in thirty five degree weather

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Speaker 1: when we did talking outdoors and they were there were

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Speaker 1: multiple people that were in the messages saying, man, you're

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Speaker 1: dressing like it's five Well, this looks like it's five below, right, Nate.

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Speaker 1: And the reason why is because you guys brought the

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Speaker 1: heat yesterday. So I wanted to be ready today. And

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Speaker 1: for those of you who didn't watch yesterday's show, Nate Newton,

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Speaker 1: Nick Eatman, it was a battle for the century in

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Speaker 1: terms of moral victories that went back and forth, and

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Speaker 1: I wasn't caught off guard. I had I had a

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Speaker 1: feeling it was coming. But today I'm better prepared for

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Speaker 1: this because I want to just make sure are under control.

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Speaker 1: I want to make sure that things are good to go.

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Speaker 1: I even brought a whistle just in case I'm not

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Speaker 1: gonna blow it because we're on air or something. But

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Speaker 1: I just wanted to make sure that we were we

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Speaker 1: were we were civil today between you two, that we're

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Speaker 1: all friends, we all are on the same team. Wow.

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Speaker 1: So I went out and I don't know if it's

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Speaker 1: a soccer tag on it, don't don't tell academy. But

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna try and return this way. Yeah yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: but yeah, so I'm calling ever Dare. But it was

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Speaker 1: a fantastic show yesterday. Sponsor. It is a sponsor. Yes,

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Speaker 1: the Academy is a sponsor, and we love academy s

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Speaker 1: fortune outdoors. So always with that being said, I loved

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Speaker 1: yesterday's conversation and I want to bring more debate. That's

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Speaker 1: why I brought the shirt. Yeah, because I just want

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Speaker 1: to be I want to make sure and encourage this.

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Speaker 1: You know what I thought it was when I said,

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Speaker 1: what are you wearing? Because I see a Navy shirt

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Speaker 1: under the Navy under here. I thought you were going

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Speaker 1: to wear the Nate Newton shirt. D don't they have

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Speaker 1: that from the pro shot. I don't know if they

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Speaker 1: have one up there, Nate, pretty sure they did. I

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Speaker 1: need to get a Nate Newton. Yeah, there's a n Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I thought you were going to wear that. I was like, Okay,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna really suck up the Nate here. No I

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Speaker 1: like it. Yeah, No brought the referee shirt because of

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Speaker 1: the back and forth Nate. Just remember though about the

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Speaker 1: back and forth. Everybody's tough on WebEx. You know, like

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Speaker 1: I could say whatever I want when Nate's sitting over there,

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Speaker 1: but Nate's sitting right here. I've been like, you know,

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Speaker 1: who needs a moral victory? Right? We don't need that. Okay,

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Speaker 1: but you know what, if y'all see me, look look over,

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Speaker 1: I'm looking at the Dallas Cowboys, and I'm looking at

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Speaker 1: them versus distillers. It's the first time I looked at

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Speaker 1: the tape this week. You're you're watching it while we're

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Speaker 1: on the show. Yeah, And some of these guys are

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Speaker 1: playing well now that's all. That's all. Some of these

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Speaker 1: guys individually are playing well. Well. Go ahead on Nick.

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Speaker 1: It's nothing. There's no such thing. We're not gonna get

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Speaker 1: into this today. But I just want to go wherever

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Speaker 1: Kyle Yoman wants to go. So he's great followers today.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate that name. It's all yours, kay, And I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna take a moment here because I was just asked

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Speaker 1: it was a very good question. But whenever it comes

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Speaker 1: But is Tony Pollard just better suited to run behind

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Speaker 1: Zeke just continues to get twice as many carries even

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Speaker 1: though the production hasn't necessarily been there like it has

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Speaker 1: in the past. Well, for me, I think that this

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Speaker 1: is exactly what the Cowboys wanted out of Tony Pollard

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Speaker 1: when they drafted him. They wanted him to be a

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Speaker 1: change of pace back come in here, you know, Zeke

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Speaker 1: kind of wear them down a little bit, have to

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Speaker 1: get those tough, dirty runs or muddy runs, I guess

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Speaker 1: is what Kellen Moore called it. And then they wanted

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Speaker 1: a quick guy to come in here and really hit

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Speaker 1: I it's never you don't need to have a debate here.

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Speaker 1: I mean this, in the NFL, you need two backs. Yes,

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Speaker 1: it's great to have a lead back, but I mean

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Speaker 1: Pollard I think has given them a spark as well.

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Speaker 1: I don't think you have to change it too much.

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Speaker 1: If he needs more carries, that's fine, But I mean

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Speaker 1: I think it's going the way it should go. Actually, Okay,

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Speaker 1: I don't see because I'm sorry, I don't see Pollard.

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Speaker 1: I don't see it being flipped. I don't see Pollard

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Speaker 1: agree with your hundred Nick. The thing that makes uh

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Speaker 1: Zeke a big issue is that he got paid, and

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Speaker 1: so that makes it a big issue. You have a

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Speaker 1: you have a running back that makes over twelve meal

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Speaker 1: per average. So uh that that's that's the big issue.

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Speaker 1: But men, you see it the same way here, Nick,

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Speaker 1: I mean, Zeke gets the dirty runs. Zeke. Zeke comes

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Speaker 1: the safeties up. Uh do you see the tight ends

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Speaker 1: come in closer. Everything is geared to stop Zeke when

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Speaker 1: he's in the ball and when he's in the game,

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Speaker 1: and obvious rundown situations to ask Tony Pollard's to say, hey,

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Speaker 1: we want you in the game, and obvious rundown situations.

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Speaker 1: Starting the game, you may not see the reduction that

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Speaker 1: Nata sees that he's behind the chain, you thought pass,

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Speaker 1: it becomes the only thing they think about after that,

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Speaker 1: You know, Nate don't want to ask you this question.

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Speaker 1: I thought about this during the game because it is

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Speaker 1: obvious that wherever you're watching on TV and the and

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Speaker 1: the at the game, you can see a burst that

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Speaker 1: Pollard has that Zeke doesn't happen. So here's my question too,

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Speaker 1: especially an offensive lineman who's who's been right there and

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Speaker 1: on third and one, here's the play. Would you rather

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Speaker 1: have the bigger, stronger, tougher back that can maybe hit

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Speaker 1: don't have to block as longer as quick because that

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Speaker 1: guy's gonna be right there. Does that? Let me tell

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Speaker 1: you something. Let me tell you something right now. I

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Speaker 1: won't Zeke. I won't Zeke. And until they give it

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Speaker 1: to Tony Pollock, if they give it to Tony Poller,

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Speaker 1: because I see, if they get rid of Zeke, they're

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Speaker 1: gonna go out and get them another back. They're gonna

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Speaker 1: go out and get them another back. And until I

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Speaker 1: see it. You know, we had a saying here when

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Speaker 1: another play. It's another thing to play sixty plays. It's

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Speaker 1: a whole different animal and a whole different beast. When

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Speaker 1: teams say, hey, this is this guy, how do we

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Speaker 1: stop him? Now? Can you be elite? And so until

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Speaker 1: I see an elite Tony Pollock twenty twenty five carriages

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Speaker 1: a week. This all about Zeke still right now, Because

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Speaker 1: and two, it was Zeke. It won Polot. They ain't dumb.

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Speaker 1: I mean, they give this kid his series, and they

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Speaker 1: give him his plays, and they and they give him

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Speaker 1: they and they cater to what he does best. I mean,

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Speaker 1: and Zeke still got some punch because it takes a

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Speaker 1: little punch to get that extra yard when somebody in

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Speaker 1: the midstate block. I don't think we're disagreeing, as he

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Speaker 1: like more like a Bruce Bee two inch punch, you

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Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. I'm just saying so you personally

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Speaker 1: an offensive lineman, that's what you would prefer. I know,

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Speaker 1: I take backs as they come like it. Like Bell

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Speaker 1: that used to run for the Stellers in the Jets,

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Speaker 1: now with Kansas City, he runs a totally different style.

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Speaker 1: I'll take that site. He's very patient. See the Holy

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Speaker 1: with the Ram. Each back is different. And you look

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Speaker 1: has a different style. I mean, he don't always hit

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Speaker 1: big enough to when he hit it, it is ninety

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Speaker 1: I mean, I was blessed enough to see Barry Sounders

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Speaker 1: him and Smith, two totally different backs. People keep saying, hey,

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Speaker 1: when you rather block for him for Barry Sounders. Now,

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Speaker 1: I don't want to block for Barry senderc Barry Sunders.

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Speaker 1: If I said we're going to the right, Barry gonna

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Speaker 1: be over there to the left. So to each his

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Speaker 1: own brother. So just what the punish young man? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I see this young man go twenty five, twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: five reps a game. You know, I don't think he's

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Speaker 1: that type of back. I think he is great at

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Speaker 1: what he's doing. I think Kelly Moore and the head

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Speaker 1: coach is doing a great job. And how they're using it. Man,

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Speaker 1: so y'all keeping them mixed blow it sounds like where

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Speaker 1: you need man nick man niggas And he's not. And

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Speaker 1: I don't think Tony Pollard is trying to look for

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Speaker 1: moral victories. I think he's trying to get to but

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Speaker 1: he is trying to get to the end. Everybody's trying

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Speaker 1: to get to the end zone, but specifically with with

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Speaker 1: the fact that you do have these two guys, and

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Speaker 1: That's what we wanted going into training camps. You wanted

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Speaker 1: the lightning and the thunder from Zeke and Pollard. Now

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Speaker 1: one of them is getting paid more than the other

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Speaker 1: one by a lot. And this was the question that

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Speaker 1: but yeah, which one you feel better about, Well, I

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Speaker 1: think it starts. I think it definitely starts the secondary

426
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Speaker 1: or D line. And the reason the reason is, like

427
00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:46,119
Speaker 1: you said, Poe and and Griffin. I don't think everything

428
00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:48,800
Speaker 1: Griffin ever bought into the system. This was this wasn't

429
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Speaker 1: what he is used to doing, and he made it clear,

430
00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:56,639
Speaker 1: and you know, I guess he after a while, it

431
00:22:56,760 --> 00:22:58,480
Speaker 1: just it just wasn't clicking, and they knew that, and

432
00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:01,240
Speaker 1: they got they shipped him out of here. But um,

433
00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:05,159
Speaker 1: I think d Law's health is better, way better, and

434
00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:06,840
Speaker 1: I think you're starting to see him be a lot

435
00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:09,399
Speaker 1: more active. Um. I think that's one of the reasons.

436
00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:12,120
Speaker 1: I think that getting po out of here, putting Gallimore in,

437
00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:14,920
Speaker 1: even um Hamilton when he came in, I mean he

438
00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:18,920
Speaker 1: was he was better. Those guys are just better. Those

439
00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:21,320
Speaker 1: are So that's where it starts there. But I also

440
00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:24,520
Speaker 1: think you can't overlook the fact that Trayvon digs his

441
00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:28,360
Speaker 1: confidence got He's getting better and better each game. Yes,

442
00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:30,159
Speaker 1: he gives up some plays, He's starting to make a

443
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Speaker 1: few more plays. Donfrid Wilson's made more plays in the

444
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Speaker 1: back end. So I think it starts at the d line.

445
00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:38,800
Speaker 1: But I thought you're starting to see the ripple effect.

446
00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:42,040
Speaker 1: Now I think it maybe just hurdled the linebacker position

447
00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:44,800
Speaker 1: because I don't really see a huge difference there. But um,

448
00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:48,719
Speaker 1: you know, but hopefully the defensive tackle position, Gallimore can

449
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Speaker 1: if he keeps making plays like that, knocking Pouncy back

450
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Speaker 1: on his ass like that, then those linebackers are gonna be,

451
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Speaker 1: you know, free to do more things and hopefully you'll

452
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Speaker 1: see a benefit there. Now, you mentioned Donovan Wilson back there,

453
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Speaker 1: and I kind of want to talk about him as well.

454
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Speaker 1: What have you seen differently from him from a safety

455
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Speaker 1: position that he didn't necessarily have early in the year. Well,

456
00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:14,320
Speaker 1: he's physical. Well I'll say this. I'll say this for

457
00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:17,320
Speaker 1: the first time, and you can ask Chris Beam. I

458
00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:20,680
Speaker 1: screamed in there because for the first time I saw

459
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Speaker 1: a safety back deep with the with the with with

460
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Speaker 1: a cornerback running with the wide receiver down the sideline

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Speaker 1: and I saw a safety early in the game back

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Speaker 1: deep making a play on the ball. When the last

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Speaker 1: time we've seen that here this year? Something simple? Is that? Man?

464
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Speaker 1: Something as simple as that. I'm looking at it again.

465
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Speaker 1: I'm like, even Donovan Wilson went crazy, like, man, I

466
00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:48,040
Speaker 1: made it. Back here, they sitting up looking at the

467
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Speaker 1: end of the quarterback ten yards behind the receiver and

468
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Speaker 1: you're talking about that one, the one where it was

469
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Speaker 1: basically inside the five yard line, down the left side

470
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Speaker 1: line and yes him, yeah, a light in front of

471
00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:05,440
Speaker 1: Deontay John and digs. It was funny being and Jim

472
00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:07,400
Speaker 1: Nancy even said this, but he was like they kind

473
00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:09,080
Speaker 1: of or Tony said it actually that they kind of

474
00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:11,919
Speaker 1: hurt themselves because they were both in the same spot

475
00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:14,480
Speaker 1: to make a play on the football and Deontay Johnson

476
00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:17,160
Speaker 1: was back. Yeah, and I think that's something that has improvement.

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Speaker 1: You mentioned. Turned out to be a good play though,

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Speaker 1: just because I'll tell you this, because they catch that ball,

479
00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:25,840
Speaker 1: that's first in goal. I mean, I'm sorry, that's first down,

480
00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:28,120
Speaker 1: first and ten at the two or three yard line

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Speaker 1: for Garrett Gilbert to come out and make his first

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Speaker 1: play right there in the end zone. Instead it was

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Speaker 1: a punt. I think it was a touchback twenty yard

484
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Speaker 1: line or maybe what space maybe was a touchback, but

485
00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:39,960
Speaker 1: it was definitely a lot more space for him to

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Speaker 1: come out and his first you know, the first thing.

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Speaker 1: So I thought it would have been cool to having

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Speaker 1: an interception, but it would have been almost like a

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Speaker 1: punt for Pittsburgh to have him pinned back. Was that

490
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Speaker 1: on third down or second down though, because I think

491
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Speaker 1: there was a play in between that. Yeah, second next play,

492
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Speaker 1: what's cool. Almost got beat the next next play, he

493
00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:02,320
Speaker 1: almost got twenty six, almost got beat by Chase Claypool.

494
00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:05,119
Speaker 1: You're right, George Lewis on that scene route up to

495
00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:08,640
Speaker 1: the right side, and Claypool was the receiver there. So

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Speaker 1: le me, I ask you this. I don't know where

497
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:14,080
Speaker 1: you're going next. But but thirty seven he's playing better, okay,

498
00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:16,560
Speaker 1: He's making some plays. You see some interceptions already, see

499
00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:18,680
Speaker 1: a fumble, you see some places in the two point conversion.

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00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:23,320
Speaker 1: The other safety? Is he the most neutral player you've

501
00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:27,320
Speaker 1: ever seen? Talking about Xavier Woods? Yeah, I mean, just

502
00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:29,960
Speaker 1: name the bad plays. I can't think of a ton

503
00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:35,520
Speaker 1: name the good plays. It's just a neutral player and

504
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:38,640
Speaker 1: you need more than that, obviously, But I mean, I mean,

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Speaker 1: I'll ask, I'll ask name that as a safety. The

506
00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:43,600
Speaker 1: last line of defense is that, Are you okay with

507
00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:48,240
Speaker 1: having a neutral player because no, no, no, he ain't

508
00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:53,359
Speaker 1: the same guy selling college man. Well the man competition

509
00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:58,679
Speaker 1: might be better. Yeah yeah, Louisiana techasi no no, no,

510
00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:00,800
Speaker 1: no no no. Let's and to me, you went to

511
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:05,760
Speaker 1: the senior boor now I went you to Florid. I

512
00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:09,160
Speaker 1: went to Florida and him I was a free agent, true,

513
00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:13,200
Speaker 1: Barry Church was a free agent solo. It don't matter

514
00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:15,919
Speaker 1: once you get here. But you asked, dud I like

515
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:20,400
Speaker 1: a neutral safety, you either gotta be back there knocking

516
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:24,360
Speaker 1: down balls or making interceptions, up in the line, making tackles,

517
00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:28,480
Speaker 1: And when you're doing neither, you're talking about neutral. No.

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Speaker 1: Nine times out of ten, if you put him on

519
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:32,320
Speaker 1: top of a hill and put him in neutra, you're

520
00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:34,240
Speaker 1: gonna run down to hit something. Ain't gonna be. Ain't

521
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:36,240
Speaker 1: gonna be what It's long And that's what should happen.

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Speaker 1: Isn't that What isn't that what a safety is supposed

523
00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:43,520
Speaker 1: to be though, isn't it supposed to be that safety

524
00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:46,199
Speaker 1: blanket the fact that you've got him back there. I

525
00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:48,359
Speaker 1: know you want plays to be made, but if you

526
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Speaker 1: have a strong safety for the season, though, I want

527
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:53,680
Speaker 1: plays to be made. That's what I'm saying. I can't

528
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:56,080
Speaker 1: think of a play. And I don't dislike him or

529
00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:58,760
Speaker 1: anything like that. Um, I don't like the comment that

530
00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:01,200
Speaker 1: he made. Yeah I was that that wasn't a good comment.

531
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Speaker 1: But I don't dislike him. I just he just doesn't

532
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:07,919
Speaker 1: make any plays. You're not right. But it doesn't make

533
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:10,240
Speaker 1: any plays really for the other team either, which is

534
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:13,160
Speaker 1: that's a big deal too at safety. I just I

535
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:16,040
Speaker 1: think I think you would probably prefer a little bit more.

536
00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:17,760
Speaker 1: I mean he had a chance to make a diving interception.

537
00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:20,439
Speaker 1: Would have been a great play. Yeah, didn't didn't make it.

538
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:23,040
Speaker 1: Now let me ask you guys this, just because he's

539
00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:25,399
Speaker 1: been a neutral safety doesn't mean he's a neutral player.

540
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:28,120
Speaker 1: He just may have to be a neutral safety because

541
00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:29,879
Speaker 1: he doesn't have a whole lot of help back there.

542
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:32,280
Speaker 1: Now you're starting to see some help with Donovan Wilson.

543
00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:36,720
Speaker 1: You're hopefully seeing in emerging of Wilson as maybe that

544
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:39,640
Speaker 1: other safety. You're a sense bro, Well, let me get

545
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:42,240
Speaker 1: to my plot. Haven't gotten to that point yet. I

546
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:46,080
Speaker 1: haven't gotten to the point yet. He hasn't had he

547
00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:49,760
Speaker 1: hasn't had help safety wise. He's been the only solid

548
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:52,280
Speaker 1: player back there. And I'm saying solid as as in

549
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:56,719
Speaker 1: non mistake, non big play safety. Is that maybe him

550
00:28:56,800 --> 00:29:01,200
Speaker 1: playing conservative overplaying aggressively. But now you can start seeing

551
00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:04,160
Speaker 1: them to play. He had a running back coming here.

552
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:08,920
Speaker 1: We had Cleveland come in here and hit us for

553
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:12,920
Speaker 1: almost eight thousand yards rushing. They put him in there,

554
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:17,080
Speaker 1: They put him in the box. He he they put

555
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:20,240
Speaker 1: him in the box. They put him up in the box.

556
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:22,880
Speaker 1: When you come up in the box, you are being

557
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 1: the the these You are the seventh guy in the box,

558
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:31,000
Speaker 1: and you normally got the back the back gaps when

559
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:34,400
Speaker 1: he ain't tacking nobody yet. So if you're up in

560
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:38,479
Speaker 1: the box and you're missing tackles, how how how are

561
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:42,280
Speaker 1: you new? How are you okay? So what I'm trying

562
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:45,840
Speaker 1: to say here, what I'm trying to say here is

563
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:50,040
Speaker 1: whether you're back deep up close, you have to make

564
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:53,360
Speaker 1: plays to help your team win. If you're a neutral guy.

565
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:57,200
Speaker 1: If you're a neutral guy, always you're not You're no

566
00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:04,120
Speaker 1: good to your team. Thank you? Okay, it's no. So

567
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 1: you're either going up and helping your team. Are you

568
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:12,000
Speaker 1: going down? Because when you're neutral, you got to go Yeah.

569
00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:14,360
Speaker 1: Well that's my next That was my next question here

570
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:16,600
Speaker 1: is that he's a free agent, you know, I mean,

571
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:18,320
Speaker 1: you got a lot of holes on defense. You got

572
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 1: to figure out stuff on the secondary. But like, is

573
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:23,280
Speaker 1: is he in your future? I mean, what do you

574
00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 1: do with with Xavier Woods? Do you let him go

575
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:29,600
Speaker 1: to free agency? See what happens? I mean, he's not

576
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:32,080
Speaker 1: a top priority to resign, but then again, you don't

577
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:34,120
Speaker 1: have a lot of guys behind him. How much is

578
00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:36,120
Speaker 1: he gonna be on the open market though? How much?

579
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 1: What is his value right now to not only just

580
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:42,160
Speaker 1: the Cowboys, but any other team in terms of contract.

581
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:43,880
Speaker 1: You may be able to get him back for a

582
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:46,000
Speaker 1: bit of a discount. I think that's going to be

583
00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:48,280
Speaker 1: one of those. After a week or free agency, we'll

584
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:51,280
Speaker 1: see what happens. He was up happening. I know we're

585
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:53,800
Speaker 1: getting ahead of ourselves, but I mean he's been here

586
00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:58,000
Speaker 1: with what three years? Yeah, he's you know when I

587
00:30:58,040 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 1: say about neutral though, he doesn't feel up A lot

588
00:30:59,920 --> 00:31:06,480
Speaker 1: of players just doesn't make it any fellas. You know,

589
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:12,560
Speaker 1: you know, Kyle, that's why, uh men, you gotta watch.

590
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:16,920
Speaker 1: You watch a game together. You know that you know

591
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:22,160
Speaker 1: that has been played and watching men, we watch it

592
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:25,480
Speaker 1: with church from a from a defensive back perspective, and

593
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:28,720
Speaker 1: we watch it with stand back from an offensive so

594
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:31,200
Speaker 1: we so we all know what they are thinking and

595
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:35,680
Speaker 1: what they are seeing. And when you have a guy

596
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:38,880
Speaker 1: that you can go a whole game and you and

597
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:43,320
Speaker 1: you never hear his name, You expect that from offensive

598
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:47,520
Speaker 1: lineman only. You don't expect that from secondary players. You

599
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:50,760
Speaker 1: want to hear secondary player's name one way or the other.

600
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:55,200
Speaker 1: You want to hear your linebacker's name one way or other.

601
00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:59,200
Speaker 1: That means plays either being made or players are being

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00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:03,000
Speaker 1: made on you. You we are two and six talking

603
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:06,040
Speaker 1: about a guy that's neutral, and then we talk about

604
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:10,280
Speaker 1: Donovan Wilson and we're talking about guys trying to make plays.

605
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:13,280
Speaker 1: It's a difference there, right. I told you took that

606
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:16,080
Speaker 1: moral victory, didn't even give him a loss. Two and

607
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:18,760
Speaker 1: seven eight, two and seven. Yeah, we're two and seven

608
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:22,719
Speaker 1: eights unless you counted that. Okay, we're two and seven.

609
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:27,240
Speaker 1: And now you're two and seven or two and six

610
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:31,640
Speaker 1: or whatever. You are seven you you are, you are

611
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:35,600
Speaker 1: looking to be better. And the players you got on

612
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:38,640
Speaker 1: the field, you went and you got Donovan Wilson. It

613
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:41,720
Speaker 1: took y'all scrape in the bottom of the barrel to

614
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:45,560
Speaker 1: find this player who is trying to make plays for you.

615
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 1: That's why I say there's no more victims cause players.

616
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 1: You're looking for players and our guys that are improving

617
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 1: weekend and week out. And Donovan Wilson, remember a couple

618
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 1: of years ago, he was our best player, doing it,

619
00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 1: doing the doing the training camp, and all of a

620
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:03,200
Speaker 1: sudden the season start, he disappears. Why did he disappear?

621
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:05,760
Speaker 1: Was that a coaching thing, a scouting thing he just

622
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:09,640
Speaker 1: didn't couldn't play because like to me, he can play.

623
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:12,240
Speaker 1: It looks like that. I mean, every time he's back

624
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:14,960
Speaker 1: out there, he's at least doing something. Like you said,

625
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:17,480
Speaker 1: it's not a neutral thing with Donovan Wilson, and I

626
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 1: think he's made a couple of plays that have really

627
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:21,720
Speaker 1: stuck out and have made you really feel better about

628
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:25,120
Speaker 1: the secondary position or excuse me, the safety position. Now, Nate,

629
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:29,240
Speaker 1: you mentioned how that evaluation process is ongoing, and especially

630
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:31,440
Speaker 1: in a season like this where you are two and seven,

631
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 1: that evaluation process is crucial. When we come back after

632
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:37,240
Speaker 1: the break here, I want to ask about these coaches,

633
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:41,440
Speaker 1: specifically on the offensive, defensive, and special team side. Whenever

634
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:44,240
Speaker 1: you're talking about all three phases, which phase has done

635
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:47,320
Speaker 1: the best at evaluating their players. Here in twenty twenty,

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Speaker 1: Cowboys and final couple minutes here guys, and I tease

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Speaker 1: this going into the break. You're speaking of the coaching

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Speaker 1: staff and two and seven. Your your record is or

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Speaker 1: you are what your records say is as you are,

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Speaker 1: and you're two and seven, so you're not a very

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Speaker 1: good football team right now. However, there's been coaching that

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Speaker 1: has started to turn the corner a little bit, or

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Speaker 1: at least it looks that way over the last two

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Speaker 1: weeks against Philadelphia and against Pittsburgh. So, Nate, I ask

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Speaker 1: you the question to start us off, which unit offense, defense,

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Speaker 1: special teams has seen the biggest improvement and has had

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Speaker 1: the best coaching job through week one up until now

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Speaker 1: here in the bye week. Off A line, baby, officsive

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Speaker 1: line both. Oh, we lost both tackles and and and

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Speaker 1: during the season, we've lost guards, we've lost centers, and

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Speaker 1: coach Philban has kept this thing going and and and

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Speaker 1: that connects to the offensive coordinator, who I'm very critical of,

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Speaker 1: and to the head coach because this is an offensive

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Speaker 1: minded thing we're talking about here. They have kept this

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Speaker 1: thing going except for one game, a couple of games,

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Speaker 1: but where it all fell apart when the president felled,

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Speaker 1: you know, failed to blow to the head, you know,

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Speaker 1: a long shot, riping shot to the head. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: right now, so this thing is good, you know, not

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Speaker 1: just the concussion. They tried to assassin. They tried to

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Speaker 1: assassinate the president. It didn't happen. You missed one week, Yeah, man,

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Speaker 1: really that's probably not a good one. Um, it was

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Speaker 1: good for me. Yeah, yeah, right, that's right. Make sure clarify. Um,

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Speaker 1: you know, that's a tough one because he's right, there's

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Speaker 1: no position that's been you know, changed as much as

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Speaker 1: that now quarterback position has changed a lot, but we've

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Speaker 1: seen some really bad play at time too. Like now,

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Speaker 1: I'll say this, I thought Kellen Moore and did a

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Speaker 1: really good job of managing that game or or or

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Speaker 1: getting a system for Garrett Gilbert and that you know,

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Speaker 1: it was it was. There was a combination off. They

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Speaker 1: had tricked it up a little bit, but they also

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Speaker 1: was kind of old school as well. And I thought

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Speaker 1: I thought Gilbert did a really nice job for him

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Speaker 1: to be as comfortable with the checks. I mean, he

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Speaker 1: was changing plays at the line of Scrimmont him. He

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Speaker 1: looked very very comfortable there. Um. I think the one

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Speaker 1: reason why I don't know, if let me let me

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Speaker 1: answer the question, though, I think I'd have to go

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Speaker 1: with Nate on that on offensive line because there's no

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Speaker 1: other position. Wow, what who else is? Who? Who else?

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Speaker 1: Would it be? Like my thought process, I mean, maybe

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Speaker 1: defensive line, go with Jim tom Sula. Just the fact

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Speaker 1: that the defensive tackles are young guys that are the

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Speaker 1: ones making the plays. But you could also fault him

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Speaker 1: for not getting the best out of a pro bowler

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Speaker 1: and every driven a veteran and Dantari post, so you

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Speaker 1: could fault him at the same time. I'm just interested.

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Speaker 1: I was. I'm surprised that both of you went with

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Speaker 1: offensive line though, because right now, if you look at

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty as a whole, what is the number one

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Speaker 1: biggest detriment to this team, and it's the injuries to

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Speaker 1: the offensive line, Right yeah, Well, who do you give

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Speaker 1: to Adam Henry the receiver's coach. No, no, you can't

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Speaker 1: do that. These guys were talented already. No no, no, no no, no,

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Speaker 1: no, no no no. I mean that's what I'm saying. It's

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Speaker 1: I agree, Nate. It's offensive line by default, by fault

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Speaker 1: because they did get their ass kicked in Washington. I mean,

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Speaker 1: oh they did big time. Oh yeah. But but not

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Speaker 1: having Zach Martin was was big there. And that's why

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Speaker 1: I think Andy Daltons, okay, should be the starter because

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Speaker 1: Andy Dalton has never played with Zach Martin. It's true.

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Speaker 1: I mean he hasn't played with him o there for

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Speaker 1: for five games. Did our offensive line not get they

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Speaker 1: ripped they behind ripped for five straight games, starting with

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Speaker 1: the Rams all the way to Washington. Sure our defensive

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Speaker 1: line got ripped. Yeah yeah, yeah, they bro No. The

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Speaker 1: best thing we've had except for the one game against

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Speaker 1: Washington where the president they got hurt. The offensive line

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Speaker 1: is played nice and the coaches have have have ad

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Speaker 1: gestured their schemes and how they do things around this,

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Speaker 1: and it may and it makes it looks even better

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Speaker 1: our offensive line, I mean our defensive line that was

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Speaker 1: that was na none. What's that NA now an available

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Speaker 1: and pronouncing that right? Yeah? Yeah, they didn't. That didn't

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Speaker 1: even that didn't even apply to them. I mean, they

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Speaker 1: didn't do nothing. They all they did was beat up

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Speaker 1: our secondaries and linebackers. That's all our defense in line allowed.

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Speaker 1: They allowed our linebackers to get beat up in our

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Speaker 1: secondary to have to make unnecessary taps, okay, and just

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Speaker 1: to continue to continue playing Devil's advocate. Here, what's the

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Speaker 1: one coaching decision in terms of personnel all year long

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Speaker 1: that has been the most questioned and the most scrutinized

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Speaker 1: in terms of who you're starting instead of insert name here,

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Speaker 1: Terrence Tarren Steele. So you're you're saying that is this

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Speaker 1: a is this a Filbin decision or is this a

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Speaker 1: McCarthy decision. We don't know. We don't know if that's

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Speaker 1: the case. But you're still giving offensive line coaching the

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Speaker 1: nod in terms of the most improved because of Terren

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Speaker 1: Steele name, yes, sir, yes, sir. You know in the

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Speaker 1: last two or three games, I was telling Chris mean

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Speaker 1: before y'all got here, is I'm liking how this coaching

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Speaker 1: staff is realized. Okay, Tara Steele is your weak lend. Okay,

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Speaker 1: but cam Irvin has played nice. The left guard has

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Speaker 1: played okay, both centers have played good, and your right

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Speaker 1: guard is all pro. Well, you know, y'all all pro.

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Speaker 1: So now you finally realize that you can help this

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Speaker 1: one guy instead of have to help five guys, you

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00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:22,759
Speaker 1: can only help you up this one guy. And now

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Speaker 1: if they've done that the last two games, and realize, okay,

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Speaker 1: this is who this guy is, things that work fairly well, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, and before things have worked fairly,

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Speaker 1: let tell y'all something, man, tell y'all something. We just

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Speaker 1: a Garret Gilbert away from from making something happen. I mean,

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Speaker 1: excu man, wait, what hold up Garret Gilbert to the

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Speaker 1: Promised Land here, Nate, that's what it sounded like. Now,

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Speaker 1: not to the Promised Land. But but he I mean,

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Speaker 1: he gave us a spark last week. You know, whether

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Speaker 1: it was against a team that didn't care, a team

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Speaker 1: that did care, in this tell us, he gave us

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Speaker 1: a spark buying that crap. Who's saying that they don't care?

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Speaker 1: But is that a narrative people are saying, yeah, I

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Speaker 1: think it's it's kind of a league wide thing where

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Speaker 1: it's like, oh, they just weren't ready to play. I

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Speaker 1: mean we mentioned it in the pre or in the

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Speaker 1: in the studio on Sunday when we were watching. I

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Speaker 1: don't believe that Mike Tomlin has been in this league

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Speaker 1: that like he gets his team ready to play. That's

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Speaker 1: what they They were ready to play. There was a

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Speaker 1: neutral site game that they you know, they there was

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Speaker 1: a lot of energy there that been in that stadium

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00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:31,839
Speaker 1: hardly any player on that football team's ever played stadium.

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Speaker 1: They were, you know, fired up, ready to go. Give

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Speaker 1: the Cowboys credit for that. I mean they matched the intensity.

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Speaker 1: I mean Cowboy fans too, Like everyone talks about the

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Speaker 1: Steeler fans, but when you're at you've ever been to

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Speaker 1: a sports bar where you're watching the game and you

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00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:48,600
Speaker 1: got fans on both sides, the intensity is you know, raised,

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Speaker 1: especially when the Cowboy fans are sitting there like this

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Speaker 1: is our house, and so they were. They were jacked

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Speaker 1: up too, So it was just a great atmosphere. And

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Speaker 1: I think the Cowboys played, you know, obviously they played

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Speaker 1: their best game, but they're gonna have to do that again.

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Speaker 1: They have to do that in Minnesota. I don't believe

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Speaker 1: Minnesota has any fans right now. They haven't haven't this year.

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Speaker 1: That's one thing I have seen. The Cowboys have looked

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Speaker 1: super flat in those games against the Rams. No fans.

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Speaker 1: It was it was like, you know, bedtime story. There

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Speaker 1: was terrible. Same in Washington, there was like forty six

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Speaker 1: fans there. So they they're gonna have to bring that

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Speaker 1: intensity in Minnesota when it's gonna be difficult to do well.

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Speaker 1: And I know they haven't won a whole lot of

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Speaker 1: games in the first place, but they haven't won a

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Speaker 1: road game yet, so I mean, it doesn't pay. It

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Speaker 1: almost did, and they almost did, but they they It

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Speaker 1: definitely pays some kind of dividends now we're a little

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Speaker 1: bit over time. But I want to ask one final

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Speaker 1: question since I won't have you guys on the show

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Speaker 1: for the foreseeable future, maybe never, we'll see, but whenever

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Speaker 1: it comes to the second half of the season, what

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Speaker 1: is one thing you both want to see from this team?

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Speaker 1: I mean it could talk about anything from from losing

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Speaker 1: and getting a draft pick to going for the title,

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Speaker 1: anything specifically you want to see. It could be an

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Speaker 1: individual What is it, Nick, I'll say, win games. Win games.

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Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not about the tanking crap. I'm not

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Speaker 1: about that. I think it's important to build a culture

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Speaker 1: and win games. Somebody on Twitter sent this to me.

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Speaker 1: I don't know the name, but a great job. Just

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Speaker 1: look at the Dolphins last year. Look at Miami. They

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Speaker 1: were and seven, I believe, came down the stretch one

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Speaker 1: four or five games. They still got a high draft

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Speaker 1: pick and they still got the quarterback that yeah. But

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00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:27,680
Speaker 1: but I'm just saying, but they were able to build

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Speaker 1: and now and now they've got at the culture there.

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Speaker 1: I think it's important to win games. Trust each other, Coaches,

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Speaker 1: trust the players, players trust the coaches. Build something together here.

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Speaker 1: If you're picking sixth or you're picking eleventh, You're still

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Speaker 1: gonna get a great player on a good football team,

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Speaker 1: I think next year. So try to build some culture, Nate.

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Speaker 1: I agree with Nick. I agree with Nick Man. So

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Speaker 1: you take off the old zebra shure of yours homeboy?

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Speaker 1: You just does it just make you angry? Is it? Like?

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Speaker 1: Is it just the fact that it's the referee? And

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Speaker 1: do I need the hat the NFL to go with

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00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:03,400
Speaker 1: it or no? He's probably madly he's agreeing with me.

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Speaker 1: Where do you think I down the stretch? I just

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Speaker 1: alignment and assignment, and these guys are hustling, these guys

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Speaker 1: are playing hard, and just line up the right what

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Speaker 1: blight place? Learn what you have to do within this

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Speaker 1: system that the coaches is put in place. And like

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Speaker 1: Nick said, I learned from the coaches, and the coaches

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Speaker 1: got to learn the players and do little nuances that

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00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:31,120
Speaker 1: they can do well and can't do well, and magnify

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Speaker 1: the ones that they can and try to neutralize the

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Speaker 1: ones that they can't. This team is okay, man, This

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00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:38,880
Speaker 1: seem is better than a lot of people want to

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Speaker 1: give it credit. Man, Just you don't have enough of

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Speaker 1: those guys. Shit, Uh, this next draft should give you

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00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:48,520
Speaker 1: you know enough of those guys man, and it may

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Speaker 1: be ugly starting out next year. But COVID or no COVID.

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Speaker 1: I don't think teams. I don't think training, campus and

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Speaker 1: stuff like that gonna just it's not it's gonna be

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Speaker 1: closed this year. Yeah. I don't think people just gonna

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00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:02,239
Speaker 1: close they can and doors this year. Yeah, keep it,

875
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:04,399
Speaker 1: keep it very tight knit. But I agree with both

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Speaker 1: of you. I think if you do what Nate just said,

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Speaker 1: and you learn the system, you continue to grow from

878
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Speaker 1: an individual perspective to do your job, you're gonna win

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Speaker 1: some games down the stretch. You definitely will the tougher

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Speaker 1: part of your schedules. In the rearview mirror at the moment,

881
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:19,120
Speaker 1: you're gonna win some games down the stretch, You're gonna

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Speaker 1: start building that culture a little bit, and you start

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Speaker 1: trusting each other, coaching staff, players, You start finally seeing

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Speaker 1: that cohesiveness to allow you to build a culture heading

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Speaker 1: into twenty twenty one, and then you run it back

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Speaker 1: with your healthy offense and a couple extra pieces from

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Speaker 1: the off season, and all of a sudden, you're right

888
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:37,840
Speaker 1: back in the thick of things. So that's gonna do

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Speaker 1: it here for Talking Cowboys on the bye week. Do

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Speaker 1: you want to send a special thanks to mister Nate

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Speaker 1: Newton for joining us. Nick Eatman, it's always fun talk

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Speaker 1: with you guys, and we talk all the time, but

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Speaker 1: I've really enjoyed having you guys on the show the

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Speaker 1: last couple of days. Make sure and tune in to

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Speaker 1: their show's Nick normally on the break, which comes up

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Speaker 1: a couple of hours or I guess an hour after

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Speaker 1: we're over with here on Talking Cowboys every Monday through Friday.

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Speaker 1: And then Nate of course with Hanging with the Boys.

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Speaker 1: He's hanging with the Boys man and always has been,

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Speaker 1: always will be. Shannon Jesse, Holly, Kurt Daniels. They do

901
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:12,759
Speaker 1: a great job on that show as well, so check

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Speaker 1: them out throughout the rest of the season. But that's

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00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:19,759
Speaker 1: gonna do award winning Hanging with the Boys as all.

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Speaker 1: We don't have moral les on the Hanging with Do

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Speaker 1: they have them on the break? Morals over there? That's

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Speaker 1: what I want to know. Okay, that's true in the

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Speaker 1: history of show titles, that's the award Hanging with the Boys.

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Speaker 1: That's right, Boys for Nate Newton, for Nate Keepman and

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Speaker 1: Chris Beam in the backup Kyle Yomens. That will do

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Speaker 1: it for Talking Cowboys. We'll see you next week. This

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