Speaker 1: Welcome to the Good Stuff.
Speaker 2: I'm Jacob Shick and I'm joined by my co host
Speaker 2: and wife, Ashley Shick.
Speaker 3: Jake is a third generation combat Marine and I'm a
Speaker 3: gold Star granddaughter. And we work together to serve military veterans,
Speaker 3: first responders, frontline healthcare workers, and their families with mental
Speaker 3: and emotional wellness through traditional and non traditional therapy. At
Speaker 3: One Tribe Foundation, we believe.
Speaker 2: Everyone has a story to tell, not only about the peaks,
Speaker 2: but also the valleys they've been through to get them
Speaker 2: to where they are today.
Speaker 3: Each week, we invite a guests to tell us their story,
Speaker 3: to share with us the lessons they've learned that shape
Speaker 3: who they are and what they're doing to pay it
Speaker 3: forward and give back.
Speaker 2: Our mission with this show is to dig deep into
Speaker 2: our guest journey so that we can celebrate the hope
Speaker 2: and inspiration their story has to offer.
Speaker 3: We're thrilled you're joining us again.
Speaker 4: Welcome to the Good Stuff.
Speaker 3: Our guest today is an executive at one of America's
Speaker 3: most well known brands, with over seventy five thousand employees
Speaker 3: and many years on the Forbes Top one hundred Places
Speaker 3: to Work list.
Speaker 2: John Fryar t Mobile is here today to tell us
Speaker 2: the harrowing story of his childhood and is amazing climb
Speaker 2: to the top of the American dream.
Speaker 3: John grew up in West Texas during the oil boom
Speaker 3: bus that left countless families dealing with the harsh realities
Speaker 3: of poverty, including his own father's death by suicide when
Speaker 3: John was just ten years old.
Speaker 2: It's truly inspiring that a corporate executive is so willing
Speaker 2: to share his story.
Speaker 3: Agreed, And it's one that's so honest, vulnerable, and yet
Speaker 3: so inspiring. Sit back, you guys are going to thoroughly
Speaker 3: enjoy this. We are so excited about today's episode. We
Speaker 3: have been hoping, praying, wishing and working so hard to
Speaker 3: get you on here with us. John Fryar from T Mobile,
Speaker 3: thank you so much for joining us here on the
Speaker 3: good Stuff.
Speaker 4: You're very welcome. Ashley, it is so great s Year.
Speaker 4: It's good to see you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you.
Speaker 4: I know it has been a last time. The last
Speaker 4: time we saw one another, I think was on Veterans
Speaker 4: Day in late twenty twenty one, November eleventh of twenty
Speaker 4: twenty one in New York City. You all came up
Speaker 4: and you are a big part of our keynote for
Speaker 4: our Tea Mobile Veterans Day event in New York Right.
Speaker 3: So incredible to go up there and get to meet
Speaker 3: more of your team. And we love t Mobile. Team
Speaker 3: Mobile and One Tribe Foundation do a lot together, and
Speaker 3: we are so thrilled to be part of the Magenta
Speaker 3: family and have you as part of the Tribe.
Speaker 4: Yeah, thank you. Well, we love what you're doing with
Speaker 4: One Tribe And you know, supporting the military and supporting
Speaker 4: veterans is a big part of the fabric of our company.
Speaker 4: And we have one of our diversity, equity and inclusion
Speaker 4: networks that is called van Or Veterans and Allies Network,
Speaker 4: and tens of thousands of people are a part of that.
Speaker 4: Every single year, our biggest event is at Veterans Day
Speaker 4: in New York City where we bring in people veterans
Speaker 4: and guests from all over the country and come in
Speaker 4: and we participate the parade. And over the years, I
Speaker 4: know a couple of folks on my team, between Ryan
Speaker 4: Haskell and Dave Plunkett, have gotten to know all of
Speaker 4: you incredibly well. And then I got to hear more
Speaker 4: of your story and I was incredibly inspired by the
Speaker 4: story and I'm like, absolutely, let's get more involved, and
Speaker 4: it's just an honor of ours to be able to
Speaker 4: help and participate and support you guys and what you're
Speaker 4: trying to do.
Speaker 1: It's a huge deal for us.
Speaker 2: And main reason being too is because T Mobile definitely
Speaker 2: went against the grain, and I dig that just because
Speaker 2: all these people are rowing in the same direction doesn't
Speaker 2: mean they're doing it the right way, you know. And
Speaker 2: I love how T Mobile kind of broke in and
Speaker 2: Mule kicked the door in and was pretty much like,
Speaker 2: here we are stand by totally. Me and Buck were
Speaker 2: talking and he runs our watch program, and I was like,
Speaker 2: I really want to get to know those guys better,
Speaker 2: because that's really indicative too of like a Marine Corps mindset. Yeah,
Speaker 2: we're going to show up and we're just not taking
Speaker 2: no for an answer.
Speaker 4: And you're going to find a way.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we will not stop moving forward, right right, So
Speaker 2: I dig that. I mean, that's really is twenty two
Speaker 2: kil which is our roots, what we started as, and
Speaker 2: I mean that's definitely really how we got going and
Speaker 2: got momentum in the suicide awareness aspect of the Warrior
Speaker 2: class and then evolving all the way to one trap foundation,
Speaker 2: which is full blown middle and emotional wellness for a
Speaker 2: myriad of demographics. There's a lot of similarities and I
Speaker 2: appreciate that fact. You guys are definitely a trailblazers and
Speaker 2: it's to be respected.
Speaker 4: Our big mantra at T Mobile for the last ten
Speaker 4: years has been three words, we won't stop. And as
Speaker 4: you just talked about, you're finding a way and you're
Speaker 4: not stopping. That's kind of who we are is pushing
Speaker 4: the boundaries and trying to change. You know, this incredible
Speaker 4: technology of smartphones and tablets and we're all connected to
Speaker 4: the internet, and it's historically come with all of this,
Speaker 4: you know, rules and regulation and gotchas, and we wanted
Speaker 4: to disrupt all of that and change all of that
Speaker 4: and to help people be able to be connected to
Speaker 4: their world. I mean, in fact, our mission at our
Speaker 4: company is to be the best in the world at
Speaker 4: connecting customers to their world, because you can't really live
Speaker 4: life without being connected to these devices. Our work, our hobbies,
Speaker 4: our friends, our family, everything is connected to these smartphones.
Speaker 4: So for us, we like to push the boundaries and
Speaker 4: think about what's possible, dream about what seems to be
Speaker 4: impossible and go chase it. And who better to be
Speaker 4: inspired than our nation's military and the veterans who bravely
Speaker 4: served this country than to tap into some of that
Speaker 4: DNA and apply that within our own company.
Speaker 3: And we knew you were on the same mission as us,
Speaker 3: cut from the same cloth from the jump. We also
Speaker 3: have a couple other things in common. You are a
Speaker 3: son of the Republic of Texas, I am a daughter
Speaker 3: of the Republic of Texas. And we're both Native West Texans.
Speaker 4: That's right. Yeah, So my sixth great grandfather served as
Speaker 4: a Texas Ranger during the American Civil War, and then
Speaker 4: my seventh grade grandfather served as a Texas Ranger during
Speaker 4: the Republic of Texas between eighteen thirty six and eighteen
Speaker 4: forty five, and when Texas was its own country for
Speaker 4: nine years. If you're from Texas, you absolutely know those
Speaker 4: dayta that means, you know what that means.
Speaker 1: And if you're from Texas and don't know those dates,
Speaker 1: shame on you.
Speaker 4: Exactly go back to the seventh grade and retake Texas history.
Speaker 3: You your very big world and everything that you're doing
Speaker 3: and connecting so many people started out in a small
Speaker 3: West Texas town of Odessa.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was in the middle of the vast oil
Speaker 4: fields West Texas out in Odessa, the home of Friday
Speaker 4: Night Lights, Permian High School, Mojo back in the day,
Speaker 4: I guess still today they could play. They used to
Speaker 4: can be able to really play. I don't know about today.
Speaker 4: I haven't fallen into as much recently, but thanks. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I think that's right. Yeah, yeah, So half of the
Speaker 4: time before I was eighteen was a little bit of
Speaker 4: town west of Odessa called Kermit, and then we moved
Speaker 4: to Odessa, and yeah, I went to grade school, junior
Speaker 4: high school, all in the Odessa area. Crazy.
Speaker 3: What was it like growing up in Odessa at that time?
Speaker 4: Ooh, so I am almost forty eight. So I was
Speaker 4: born in nineteen seventy five, so most of my time
Speaker 4: was nineteen eighty eighty one to when I left in
Speaker 4: nineteen ninety four. There's two tales of West Texas in
Speaker 4: the nineteen eighties. The first hill was this economic boom.
Speaker 4: Everybody's looking for oil under every rock because price of
Speaker 4: oil was out of control and just sky high. And
Speaker 4: then that was met by the crash in the mid
Speaker 4: nineteen eighties, and it was a really severe crash. And
Speaker 4: a lot of economic despair and major recession. And this
Speaker 4: might be a little bit over dramatizing, but I think
Speaker 4: if you lived during that period of time in that
Speaker 4: particular area, it was our generation's depression. It was that
Speaker 4: severe of an economic change where the price of old
Speaker 4: went from thirty something dollars a barrel to seemingly overnight
Speaker 4: to about thirteen dollars a barrel, and all economic activities stopped.
Speaker 4: And so it was really kind of the two tales
Speaker 4: that I got to see, which is kind of as
Speaker 4: a kid, I remember riding high, the family, riding high,
Speaker 4: not a care in the world, everybody having fun, and
Speaker 4: you know, just all kinds of craziness for a small
Speaker 4: town craziness in the early nineteen eighties, and then by
Speaker 4: the mid nineteen eighties, all of that gone away, and
Speaker 4: we're living a very different life. As I just think
Speaker 4: about my own children, who that whole time period so
Speaker 4: far has been kind of one steady time period and
Speaker 4: they don't have like what I experienced, which is just
Speaker 4: two remarkably different points of time within ten years.
Speaker 2: That's a drastic flush, yeah, that most people probably haven't experienced, yeah,
Speaker 2: in their lifetime. Yeah, me because that takes a toll.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it does. It does take a toll. And you know,
Speaker 4: on one hand, it was so great to grow up
Speaker 4: in that part of the country because people are so
Speaker 4: incredible and West Texas is a little bit of a
Speaker 4: different place, like anyone will do anything for you until
Speaker 4: you don't live up to your commitment, until they can't
Speaker 4: trust you, and then it's a whole different experience. But
Speaker 4: I have some of the greatest memories from being in
Speaker 4: West Texas and the simple life and the awesome people
Speaker 4: and still imprinted in me today. That's awesome.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it is a great special place. Yeah, tell us
Speaker 3: about your childhood when it comes to your home, your family,
Speaker 3: and what you experienced as a child growing up in Odessa.
Speaker 4: All of my family worked in the oil and gas business.
Speaker 4: My grandfather did, and my dad did as well, and
Speaker 4: so what I remember most is just being in the
Speaker 4: vast open fields. I went to work with my dad,
Speaker 4: like in the early eighties, like almost every single day,
Speaker 4: it seemed like, on the weekends and certainly during the summer.
Speaker 4: I wasn't in grade school, I was out in these fields,
Speaker 4: and I still remember vividly a number of things about
Speaker 4: that time. And I can leave here right now with
Speaker 4: no map and go directly where I was as a
Speaker 4: five year old or a six year old in these fields. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I made an impression. You know. We came from very
Speaker 4: humble beginnings, and then once this economic crisis hit in
Speaker 4: the mid nineteen eighties, you lost everything, I mean almost
Speaker 4: everything and couldn't rub two nickels together during that period
Speaker 4: of time. It was a tough time. There's elements I
Speaker 4: remember that were awesome, and again the people and some
Speaker 4: of the lasting relationships that I still have, but also
Speaker 4: a pretty tough time where we didn't have much and
Speaker 4: couldn't do much, and everything was kind of a no
Speaker 4: based on money, meaning that can I play football in
Speaker 4: junior high No, because we don't have the money. Can
Speaker 4: I do this? No, because we don't have the money.
Speaker 4: A lot of that was kind of tough, despite some
Speaker 4: of the incredible people that I got to build relationships
Speaker 4: with over the years.
Speaker 2: Of course, yeah, I mean, but you got to be
Speaker 2: willing to take the bad with the good and the
Speaker 2: good with the bad.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's right, that's exactly right.
Speaker 2: You know, because if you don't have ball, if you die, Yeah.
Speaker 4: That's exactly right. Growing up in Odessa, and then in
Speaker 4: the second half of the nineteen eighties was major economic
Speaker 4: turmoil and personal tragedy in my life. My own father
Speaker 4: took his life at the age of thirty and when
Speaker 4: I was ten years old, so he was twenty when
Speaker 4: I was born, and he took his life and suffering
Speaker 4: from mental illness, and I didn't realize it at the
Speaker 4: time and still don't have a ton of insight into
Speaker 4: it today, but got into a place where I think
Speaker 4: he was hurting. I think he had just incredible despair
Speaker 4: and did not know how to stop the hurt other
Speaker 4: than taking a final action to stop the hurt. And
Speaker 4: then that left us in a position of my mom
Speaker 4: didn't work and we just didn't have anything. I still
Speaker 4: kind of go through that time period where we had nothing,
Speaker 4: and I knew in order for me to kind of
Speaker 4: get out of the cycle and be able to somehow
Speaker 4: break out of this cycle, otherwise I'm going to be
Speaker 4: kind of in this place for the rest of my life.
Speaker 3: Take me back to that ten year old little boy.
Speaker 3: What would you like as a child before that event,
Speaker 3: and then tell us about your life after that?
Speaker 4: Oh man, what was I like before? I was probably
Speaker 4: just like your regular little boy that was generally in
Speaker 4: trouble doing things that you shouldn't be mischief or I
Speaker 4: just mischief, like tearing stuff up all the time, and
Speaker 4: you know, harassing people. You know. Old boy, Yeah, old boy.
Speaker 4: Definitely all boy, like in the dirt in the mud
Speaker 4: with the dirt bike and you know, just all boy
Speaker 4: for sure. And again I haven't done any kind of
Speaker 4: psychoanalysis on mean, this is probably my first chance to
Speaker 4: do that with all of you. So it'll be fund Yeah,
Speaker 4: it'll be fun to work at all.
Speaker 3: We're capturing it.
Speaker 1: Yes exactly, it's just got more fun for me.
Speaker 4: Yeah exactly. Yeah, Oh you're gonna be like, uh, that's
Speaker 4: all the time we have. But I was always a
Speaker 4: little bit more outspoken, probably even in the second and
Speaker 4: third and fourth grade little I've spoken, clowning around all
Speaker 4: the time, making jokes and literally like, if I have
Speaker 4: any feedback today, Like sometimes in the corporate world, we
Speaker 4: do these three sixty surveys where it gives you feedback
Speaker 4: and the whole thing, and you love to read the
Speaker 4: awesome feedback, but you don't really like to read them
Speaker 4: not so awesome feedback. But if I literally look at
Speaker 4: my first grade and second grade report cards, and I
Speaker 4: match that up with feedback I still get today. It's
Speaker 4: the same feedback. It's the same it talks too much
Speaker 4: inappropriate jokes from time to time.
Speaker 1: I'm still all boys, all still.
Speaker 4: Right, and so it's still the same stuff. I was
Speaker 4: that way definitely before ten years old, and then after
Speaker 4: ten years old. And again I haven't really thought a
Speaker 4: whole lot about it, but I was bad. Not bad
Speaker 4: in terms of like no drug use or anything like that,
Speaker 4: nothing like that, but just very disruptive, very disruptive, and
Speaker 4: probably acting out a lot, and one that would start
Speaker 4: some conflict, I correct, confrontational, just kind of run in
Speaker 4: my mouth and talking, which in Odessa, Texas, you don't
Speaker 4: particularly in the nineteen eighties. That might be true today,
Speaker 4: I don't know, but definitely in the nineteen eighties, if
Speaker 4: you ran your mouth, fists are going to come at you.
Speaker 4: This was no like, hey, let's sit down and talk
Speaker 4: about it and work out our feelings. That was not right.
Speaker 4: That's not how it worked there. No, And so so
Speaker 4: I definitely in fights and those kinds of things a lot,
Speaker 4: just largely for run of my mouth, and it was
Speaker 4: probably I didn't think about it at the time, and
Speaker 4: again you didn't really kind of seek out therapy and no, nothing,
Speaker 4: not a thing, talk about nothing.
Speaker 1: Right, You're gonna be fine.
Speaker 2: We just want to talk about it, right, Yeah, of
Speaker 2: course suppression, No, right exactly.
Speaker 4: It was probably, well probably, I guarantee it was related
Speaker 4: to the tragedy that I went through and that was
Speaker 4: a tough time. For whatever reason, I kind of got
Speaker 4: my act together a little bit more. Actually, I know
Speaker 4: why I got my act together a little bit more.
Speaker 4: I got my acting a little bit more, and you know,
Speaker 4: kind of the eighth grade and beyond. And the reason
Speaker 4: I got back together a little bit more is that
Speaker 4: I started working, you know, at thirteen fourteen years old,
Speaker 4: and started working and doing a couple of different things
Speaker 4: while I was going in junior high school in in
Speaker 4: high school, and I got into an environment that I'm like, Okay, I,
Speaker 4: first of all, we have no money. If I want
Speaker 4: to be on the school's lunch program basically free lunch
Speaker 4: and go over there and sit with people that are
Speaker 4: on free lunches, which if that's what I want to do,
Speaker 4: then okay, great. But if I want to hang out
Speaker 4: with the cool kids and people who have money, I'm
Speaker 4: going to have to work for it because we don't
Speaker 4: have We don't have anything. And I little remember working
Speaker 4: at this little country store. It was called Hopper's Country Store,
Speaker 4: and it was owned by two people. Their names were
Speaker 4: Norman and Joyce Hopper. They're both passed away now. They're
Speaker 4: in their sixties and the nineteen eighty so they both
Speaker 4: have passed away. And I was making three dollars and
Speaker 4: fifty cents an hour, and I worked there Tuesday nights,
Speaker 4: Thursday nights, and probably four or five hours on a
Speaker 4: Sunday Saturday. Three dollars and fifty cents an hour. So
Speaker 4: that's breaking down the boxes, that's sweeping the floors, that's
Speaker 4: mopping the floors, that's cleaning the bathrooms, stocking the shelves,
Speaker 4: all of that for three fifteen hour and so generally
Speaker 4: I worked two to two and a half hours on
Speaker 4: a Tuesday night, same thing on a Thursday night. Like
Speaker 4: I said, four or five hours on a Saturday. And
Speaker 4: that was about I don't know, twenty five thirty maybe
Speaker 4: as high as forty dollars for the week. That helped me,
Speaker 4: like do what I wanted to do and buy the
Speaker 4: lunch that I wanted to buy and eventually buy the
Speaker 4: shoes I wanted to buy. It's very materialistic in the
Speaker 4: nineteen eighties. I feel like this isn't as much of
Speaker 4: a thing today based on my own children, but in
Speaker 4: the nineteen eighties, it's very materialistic, particularly in this part
Speaker 4: of the country. If you didn't wear the right brand
Speaker 4: of jeans or I have the right brand of shoes,
Speaker 4: you're just not in. And I wanted to be in,
Speaker 4: and I wanted to be I don't know if I
Speaker 4: wanted to be in, I didn't want to be out.
Speaker 4: I'll say it that way. I didn't want to be out.
Speaker 4: I can relate to that, and so, yeah, so I
Speaker 4: quickly just started to work as much as I could
Speaker 4: and get the money I could to be able to
Speaker 4: appear like we weren't completely dirt poor, because appearances in
Speaker 4: that particular time, I think, in that particular era, in
Speaker 4: that particular time and in my particular age, appearances mattered.
Speaker 2: It's almost yeah, I mean it's perception is reality is
Speaker 2: not just the same.
Speaker 4: Yeah, a.
Speaker 1: Timestap, right right. I feel like that's something that we've
Speaker 1: all experienced.
Speaker 4: Who are your role models during that time? I had
Speaker 4: one role model that I just fondly remember and think
Speaker 4: of often, and when I say often weekly. After I
Speaker 4: did this country store thing, I did that for I
Speaker 4: don't know, like the seventh and eighth grade, maybe the
Speaker 4: ninth grade too, and then from the ninth grade on,
Speaker 4: I started working on the J. L. Johnson Ranch, which
Speaker 4: is just west of Odesta. It's about a twenty five
Speaker 4: thousand acre ranch. And my dad and my grandfather worked
Speaker 4: on the old business there, one of the vast oil
Speaker 4: fields at that time in the nineteen eighties. So when
Speaker 4: I was going out there, I met the rancher. His
Speaker 4: name was Yuel Hammett. He was the ranch foreman of
Speaker 4: the JL. Johnson Ranch up until his death of about
Speaker 4: ten years ago. I think he was the foreman four
Speaker 4: fifty five years. Started, like I think he was a
Speaker 4: fire captain for the Odessa Fire Department and then became
Speaker 4: the foreman of this ranch and kind of did double duty.
Speaker 4: But he was there for fifty five years, and I
Speaker 4: think he passed away at eighty five or eighty six
Speaker 4: years old, so about thirty all the way to eighty
Speaker 4: five eighty six, he was the ranch foremant. So I
Speaker 4: met him at a very young age, and one day
Speaker 4: when I'm out there, he asked me, Hey, you know,
Speaker 4: I'm looking for some help. Would you like to help?
Speaker 4: And I said sure. And that started first with a
Speaker 4: little bit of yard maintenance and all that kind of stuff,
Speaker 4: all the way too, fencing and cattle and all of that.
Speaker 4: He was a person that I think taught me one
Speaker 4: the value of hard work and to just there was
Speaker 4: some stability and a calmness in leadership within him that
Speaker 4: I hadn't seen up close like that, and he was
Speaker 4: a very very simple man. He and his wife were
Speaker 4: just so incredibly kind to me. They were so passionate
Speaker 4: about what they did, and he was a role model
Speaker 4: for me early on that someone that I looked up to,
Speaker 4: but also someone that I was not going to disappoint
Speaker 4: anything and everything I was going to disappoint. And what
Speaker 4: he valued was incredible hard work. And so therefore, if
Speaker 4: he valued hard work, and he had a pretty high
Speaker 4: standard for hard work, I wanted to exceed that standard.
Speaker 4: And I think early on in that particular era, I
Speaker 4: got imprinted the value of hard work and the drive.
Speaker 4: When I was working for him, I mean he was
Speaker 4: sixty something years old, I mean, I remember when he
Speaker 4: had like a triple or a quadruple bypass and like
Speaker 4: was in the hospital and then came back and it
Speaker 4: was like three weeks later he's out there lifting bails
Speaker 4: and this whole thing, and it was just it was
Speaker 4: incredible to see what I thought at the time, somebody's
Speaker 4: so ancient because I was like a courteen year old kid.
Speaker 4: Of course, it's not that ancient anymore. Yes, that's pretty young.
Speaker 4: I was one of the people early on that made
Speaker 4: a difference in my life and kind of got me square,
Speaker 4: not intentionally, probably unintentionally, But it also still carries within
Speaker 4: me that now my role as a person who's almost
Speaker 4: fifty years old working with people who are a lot
Speaker 4: younger than me, that I have an impact, either directly
Speaker 4: or indirectly, and anything and everything I do can have
Speaker 4: a positive or a negative impact and effect on people
Speaker 4: around me. And I think about that a lot, based
Speaker 4: on his impact on me that he didn't know he
Speaker 4: made at that time.
Speaker 3: So many years ago.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so many years ago.
Speaker 3: That's amazing. The lessons that truly stick with you. Yeah,
Speaker 3: what were the dynamics of your family during those formative years?
Speaker 4: It is tough you know, like I said, my dad
Speaker 4: and my mom and I weren't all that close. We
Speaker 4: had a tough time, tough, tough relationship for the majority
Speaker 4: of the time. Were much better today, but during that
Speaker 4: time it was tough. And she graduated high school in
Speaker 4: May of nineteen seventy five and I was born in
Speaker 4: June of nineteen seventy five.
Speaker 3: Wow, So you know in West Texas and West conservative West.
Speaker 4: Very conservative mid seventies, and that would be like my
Speaker 4: oldest daughter, who's twenty, she would have a two year
Speaker 4: old and I can tell you she has no business
Speaker 4: today having a two year old. And that's with growing
Speaker 4: up in a stable environment.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, with all the things that you didn't have
Speaker 2: and that she didn't.
Speaker 4: Right, right, So it was tough, and she was young,
Speaker 4: and I know she would go back and do lots
Speaker 4: of things differently if she had the opportunity to go back.
Speaker 4: Of course, don't we all almost on everything, we'd go
Speaker 4: back and do things differently. But that's a tough it's
Speaker 4: a tough environment. Like I have fond memories of the
Speaker 4: hard work ethic that I think I have today, of
Speaker 4: the incredible people that I think exist in West Texas,
Speaker 4: I've got fond memories of that, but my memories within
Speaker 4: my home aren't the fondest in the world.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's so common.
Speaker 4: Yeah, right is that?
Speaker 1: So what do you say that difference being is that
Speaker 1: you being who you are or you're open, vulnerable and.
Speaker 4: Honest about it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's beautiful and I think that it's that by default,
Speaker 2: and I'm speaking from my own experience here, provides empowerment
Speaker 2: for other people to find victory in their vulnerability while
Speaker 2: refusing to be a hostage of their pride.
Speaker 1: And that is a force multiplication.
Speaker 4: For greater good. That is beautifully sad.
Speaker 2: All those people you have such a tremendous gift and
Speaker 2: blessing because of your story. Right, you know, every morning
Speaker 2: we do this morning motivational quote that will like gives
Speaker 2: perspective for the day, or we do verses at night
Speaker 2: and in the morning.
Speaker 1: One morning, I think it was this week.
Speaker 4: I don't know. I didn't have any yesterdays, I mean,
Speaker 4: but it was.
Speaker 1: Having regrets is like driving a car that only goes
Speaker 1: in reverse.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just because our past isn't painted with rainbows, roses
Speaker 2: and lollipops doesn't mean it didn't attribute to who we
Speaker 2: are now with conviction and grace and gratitude.
Speaker 4: I couldn't agree more because I believe, and I'm not perfect,
Speaker 4: don't get me wrong, but I believe I'm a better
Speaker 4: parent as a result of what I've gone through, because
Speaker 4: there's no way, no doubt that my children were going
Speaker 4: to go through what I went through, no way. And
Speaker 4: I know that my success that I've had in life,
Speaker 4: you know, outside of being a parent or outside of
Speaker 4: being a husband, has been because of what I had
Speaker 4: gone through. And that has its drawbacks to it, and
Speaker 4: I'd be happy to talk about that. But I knew
Speaker 4: I wanted to break the cycle. I knew I had
Speaker 4: to get out, and I knew there was nobody going
Speaker 4: to help me, and it really created a drive within
Speaker 4: me that I don't think. Maybe maybe I would have
Speaker 4: had I don't know, It's hard to know, but I
Speaker 4: know that there was a fire within me that there
Speaker 4: was no help around me, and I got to figure
Speaker 4: this thing out and I did. It wasn't clear cut,
Speaker 4: Don't get me wrong, I took it. It's not like
Speaker 4: I had some grand plan. Okay, now I have no
Speaker 4: money and I'm going to be president of a fortune
Speaker 4: forty company, and here's the plan that was not it right? Yeah,
Speaker 4: let me type it all out and step one get
Speaker 4: somethody eat. Step two right, find enough money to put
Speaker 4: the gas in the fuel tank. But yeah, I was
Speaker 4: just trying to survive, you know. I was just trying
Speaker 4: to survive. And I knew that there's nobody coming around me.
Speaker 4: I was around people with hard work. But what I
Speaker 4: was gonna say is it has its strawbacks too, because
Speaker 4: I've had a level of anxiety in me that has
Speaker 4: been on one hand good, on the other hand, kind
Speaker 4: of unhealthy. What I mean by that is when I
Speaker 4: go back and I say that I still remember and
Speaker 4: I still have these incredible relationships of people that I
Speaker 4: deeper respect and Odessa. In West Texas, I saw incredibly
Speaker 4: great people lose everything and we're a victim of the economy.
Speaker 4: And that scared me. Like even at ten years old,
Speaker 4: I was like I was anxious about that. I still
Speaker 4: remember my dad and my uncle talking on the front
Speaker 4: like not even on the front porch. It was like
Speaker 4: in the driveway, like a cliche driveway. You know what
Speaker 4: that means, A cleche driveway, dirt road right means Texas right,
Speaker 4: a Clichee Driveway. This was in late nineteen eighty five,
Speaker 4: really worried about the price of oil and the layoffs
Speaker 4: and companies collapsing and talking about that, and that got
Speaker 4: me nervous and anxious. But I saw these incredibly great
Speaker 4: people lose everything, And what also got imprinted me at
Speaker 4: an early age was I could lose everything, and I
Speaker 4: got to continue to work and deliver and perform irrationally,
Speaker 4: probably so that I never find myself in that position
Speaker 4: in the mid nineteen eighties where we lose everything. Because
Speaker 4: I saw great people, no fault of their own, the
Speaker 4: world changed and they lost everything almost overnight, overnight, right overnight.
Speaker 4: And that again was a drive within me that working
Speaker 4: was never enough, getting to this level of the organization's
Speaker 4: nerve enough, making this amount of money, It's never enough.
Speaker 4: I got to keep driving and keep pushing because I
Speaker 4: need to create a cushion. And that's only gotten right
Speaker 4: with me probably in the last five years. Until about
Speaker 4: five years ago, I was still a rational and overly
Speaker 4: anxious and borderline neurotic about it.
Speaker 3: Wow, what changed?
Speaker 4: Yeah? What was it?
Speaker 1: Where you were like, Okay, I can start to settle down.
Speaker 4: I was about to lose my sixteen year marriage. So
Speaker 4: I got married in two thousand and two to my
Speaker 4: incredible wife Holly. But it was never enough. And I'm
Speaker 4: too involved in work, I'm too strong used out about it.
Speaker 4: I'm not living the life here and now I'm not
Speaker 4: putting in the time and effort into our marriage. I
Speaker 4: have learned that you know, that tank will run dry,
Speaker 4: and you have to refill that tank just within all relationships, right,
Speaker 4: relationships will run dry unless you are constantly refueling and
Speaker 4: making deposits in the proverbial you know, bank account. I
Speaker 4: was making withdrawals and I wasn't putting a whole lot
Speaker 4: of deposits in, and I found out that I was
Speaker 4: way overdrawn, and we got in a very bad place,
Speaker 4: to the point that we filed for divorce. I filed
Speaker 4: for divorce, and you know, we got down to the
Speaker 4: one yard line, I mean like one inch line of
Speaker 4: kind of closing this thing up. I mean we've done
Speaker 4: all the you know, dividing up her lawyer, my lawyer,
Speaker 4: the whole thing. Well, you were right there, We're right there.
Speaker 4: All we're down is to signatures. And we're down to
Speaker 4: signatures after you know, our annual bonus comes in, which
Speaker 4: is at the end of February, so we're down to
Speaker 4: signatures because that's the last thing and then we're going
Speaker 4: to divide everything up and move on. And I was
Speaker 4: so distraught over it. I worked primarily in Seattle and
Speaker 4: we lived in Bellevue, Washington at the time, and I
Speaker 4: remember every day walking into the parking garage so distraught
Speaker 4: over this that I would like there was a trash can.
Speaker 4: As soon as I walked into the stairwall into the building,
Speaker 4: I'd kind of put my problems in, all my marriage,
Speaker 4: falling apart problems right through at that trash can, and
Speaker 4: I'd walk in pit the smile on, do the happy dance,
Speaker 4: the whole thing, and walk back out the end of
Speaker 4: the day and pick those problems right back up and
Speaker 4: take them right to my car. And I was so
Speaker 4: distraught over it. At the one yard line, we found
Speaker 4: a spark. And the good news is that there's no
Speaker 4: bad behavior on any one of our parts. There's no
Speaker 4: fighting over the assets and stuff. I'm like, hey, here's
Speaker 4: what you're entitled to. I'm not going to fight over
Speaker 4: all that. And I think because as we were going
Speaker 4: through that, we had as bad as good have an
Speaker 4: experience as you can have with that, we didn't find
Speaker 4: ourselves in a place that we just can't even see
Speaker 4: one another talking to one another. So many people go
Speaker 4: through such u beliefs. Right, you can't even you can't
Speaker 4: even stand the sight of something.
Speaker 1: It can't even be in the same zip.
Speaker 4: Code, right, exactly, nothing like that. We found a spark
Speaker 4: there at the end that kind of scared both of
Speaker 4: us a little bit because we're like, well, what is
Speaker 4: I I thought we were done, you know, and we
Speaker 4: kind of built on it a few more months and then,
Speaker 4: you know, we were very public about this with our families
Speaker 4: and the whole thing, and it was a hard time,
Speaker 4: but it was me getting right with I don't know,
Speaker 4: both people have their contributions to relationship failures, but I
Speaker 4: had a bigger contribution to the relationship failure at that time,
Speaker 4: and it was a lot of my behavior and my
Speaker 4: just being neurotic and being anxious and being scared, being
Speaker 4: scared of going back to this time in the mid
Speaker 4: nineteen eighties, irrational, totally irrational, and just being scared about
Speaker 4: that to the point where I didn't invest in the
Speaker 4: relationship and I let my marriage die. It died at
Speaker 4: the end of my days. I think the most thing
Speaker 4: ILL would be thankful for across my entire life I
Speaker 4: have a chance to think about it before I passed
Speaker 4: from this life, is to be thankful for the opportunity
Speaker 4: to resuscitate my marriage, because most people don't get an
Speaker 4: opportunity to do that, right, most people like when a
Speaker 4: relationship dies, people move on and hopefully generally people will
Speaker 4: find peace after that. But I was able to resuscitate mine,
Speaker 4: And I think what my wife would tell you is
Speaker 4: I'm a completely and totally different person over the last
Speaker 4: five years than I was in the first sixteen years. Wow.
Speaker 4: And unfortunately it took that for me to kind of
Speaker 4: get my act together. And I wished it didn't take
Speaker 4: that for me to get my act together, but it did,
Speaker 4: and I'm forever grateful for it. Thank God. Yeah, forever, absolutely, that's.
Speaker 3: Right, And thank you for sharing that.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's beautiful that you are where you are now.
Speaker 4: Yeah, That's the thing I'm most proud of in my
Speaker 4: life is we have an incredible relationship. We have two
Speaker 4: incredible children, and our family is just blessed beyond measure.
Speaker 4: And I've had all the success side of that in
Speaker 4: the workplace, but to me, that's secondary or tertiary to
Speaker 4: the success that we've had. And that's been hard, and again,
Speaker 4: of course it's been hard. But man, we're just such
Speaker 4: a great place today.
Speaker 3: I'm so happy for you.
Speaker 4: Yeah, thanks for all of you.
Speaker 1: It's greatness.
Speaker 3: Take me back to how your professional career. What was
Speaker 3: that trajectory you wanted to break the cycle and then
Speaker 3: you got an opportunity I did.
Speaker 4: I stumbled to this business I've been a part of
Speaker 4: for almost thirty years, so nineteen ninety four and I
Speaker 4: just literally stumbled into this business before anyone really had
Speaker 4: a cell phone. There's like two of us. I had one,
Speaker 4: and my high school friend at the time recommended, like, oh,
Speaker 4: you got to go work for this company, and you're
Speaker 4: going to Lubbock because I was leaving Odessa and I
Speaker 4: was chasing a girlfriend of Lubbock.
Speaker 3: Big city.
Speaker 4: BIG's big city, right, That's what I do. I made it.
Speaker 4: I'm like, I'm getting out of a dusta Texas and
Speaker 4: I'm going to Lubbock and I've made it.
Speaker 1: You all sound like so Wes Texans right now?
Speaker 4: Halloween, Holly baby, exactly, Buddy, Holly, that's where the big
Speaker 4: mall is, the sound Planes Mall, and you know, yeah,
Speaker 4: So I went to Lubbock and I just kind of
Speaker 4: fell into this business. And at that time, they're looking
Speaker 4: for salespeople and if you could make it great, you
Speaker 4: made a lot of money, and if you couldn't, and
Speaker 4: you got fired pretty much immediately. And so the interview
Speaker 4: was something like, can you fog a mirror? If you
Speaker 4: can fog a mirror, you're hired. It's basically basically I'll work.
Speaker 4: It was literally that because I had zero skills. I
Speaker 4: had no idea what I was doing, Like, I had nothing,
Speaker 4: So like they hired me, and I'm like, all right,
Speaker 4: so like here's the number, and if I don't make
Speaker 4: the number, I'm tossed out of here. So I got
Speaker 4: to make the number. And I literally had my first
Speaker 4: business cards and I'm literally leaving business cards at payphones
Speaker 4: because if I can leave my business cards at payphones
Speaker 4: and I can get people who are wearing pagers that
Speaker 4: they get a page and they pull over and they
Speaker 4: go to the payphone, you should graduate from that. That's
Speaker 4: kind of dumb. Why don't you talk to me? Drop
Speaker 4: the pager and I get you a cell phone, blah
Speaker 4: blah blah blah blah, brilliant market, right exactly. So I
Speaker 4: literally ran around all over town doing that kind of stuff,
Speaker 4: and then one opportunity kind of led into another. And
Speaker 4: first of all I worked with in the mid nineties,
Speaker 4: I just had this. I had so much fun. I
Speaker 4: worked with a whole group of people that was a
Speaker 4: cast of characters that was really kind of a band
Speaker 4: of misfits, and but it taught me a lot ill
Speaker 4: name names or anything. But like this person over here
Speaker 4: was just kind of the crazy, borderline unethical, kind of
Speaker 4: crazy person over here. And then this person over here
Speaker 4: was like really awesome driver, but like really kind of
Speaker 4: created these weird dynamics where everybody, you know, like as
Speaker 4: soon as she walked in, everybody was uncomfortable. But she
Speaker 4: was really awesome and made her numbers. And so I
Speaker 4: had all these casting characters that I got to learn from,
Speaker 4: and I tried to take a little bit from here
Speaker 4: and a little bit from here and try to make
Speaker 4: my way of doing things, you know, the way I
Speaker 4: wanted to do it from learning from everybody else. But
Speaker 4: I remember we called it this You're gonna laugh at
Speaker 4: this because let me show you boot camp, but we
Speaker 4: called it the boot camp. That was the sales training
Speaker 4: program that was called boot camp. It's just like the
Speaker 4: oh I bet say, just exactly right right, you know
Speaker 4: at the hotel, at the Embassy suites, just like I mean,
Speaker 4: we did the same exactly room service, room service, you know, drinks,
Speaker 4: you know, the whole thing. But the trader said only
Speaker 4: one of you will make it out of this, and
Speaker 4: there's like twenty five of us, and turned out he
Speaker 4: was right. But yeah, I just every single one of
Speaker 4: these opportunities I got, and I talk to people about
Speaker 4: this all the time that what you want to be
Speaker 4: able to do is in the moment, outwork everybody in
Speaker 4: the moment, take care of everybody around you. So it's
Speaker 4: not just doing what you need to do to advance yourself,
Speaker 4: it's about taking care of everybody else around you and
Speaker 4: making a group of people better and that will come
Speaker 4: back to you and reward you if you do that.
Speaker 4: And in corporate America, you need a grand slam, high
Speaker 4: profile moments. Every once in a while. You're going to
Speaker 4: get a moment with your boss's boss and you are
Speaker 4: going to have a moment that sure on a Wednesday
Speaker 4: when nobody's looking. You need to be doing the right things.
Speaker 4: But you're also going to have a moment where that
Speaker 4: five minutes is going to matter, maybe that ten minute
Speaker 4: presentation is going to matter, and you better grant slam that.
Speaker 4: And I kind of learned that early on, and I
Speaker 4: really put in the preparation and effort to every time
Speaker 4: I got a kind of one of those high profile
Speaker 4: moments that I call I tried to grand slam that,
Speaker 4: and that got me noticed. Then I'm in a conversation,
Speaker 4: and then when opportunity starts flowing, I just decided to
Speaker 4: say yes to every opportunity. We want you to go
Speaker 4: to the Rio Grande Valley, Yes, we want you to
Speaker 4: go to Omahona, Raska. Yes. So I said yes to everything.
Speaker 4: Why I said yes to everything is I was scared
Speaker 4: of saying no, because if I said no, I'm going
Speaker 4: back to a Dusta, Texas in the nineteen eighties and
Speaker 4: I'm going to be penniless. So I said yes to
Speaker 4: everything at a point of like not following some game
Speaker 4: plan that I wrote out, but had of being scared
Speaker 4: to say no, right and again, that served me incredibly well.
Speaker 4: But like I said, a few moments ago that came
Speaker 4: with a little bit of problems too my personal life.
Speaker 3: What do you want your legacy to be?
Speaker 4: Oh, gosh, my legacy. I'm in a place my career.
Speaker 4: I'm thinking more and more about that. I want it
Speaker 4: to be one where people will think of me and
Speaker 4: will say, man, I am better because of his impact
Speaker 4: in my life. I am a better person, I'm a
Speaker 4: better leader. I'm creating a work environment where everybody can
Speaker 4: thrive because one of the things that's most important to
Speaker 4: me is, particularly at this level of the organization, where
Speaker 4: I create work environments that attract the very best people
Speaker 4: and allow them to do their very best work. And
Speaker 4: if I can do that at a senior level in
Speaker 4: the organization, then I have the best chance for that
Speaker 4: to permeate to the next level of the organization, and
Speaker 4: then permeate to the next level and permeate to the
Speaker 4: next level. Before you know it, you've got a highly
Speaker 4: functioning and productive and thriving organization based on the people
Speaker 4: that you attract. Jack Welch will tell you that leadership
Speaker 4: is like gardening. A lot of watering, a lot of planting,
Speaker 4: a lot of nutrients, and every once in while you
Speaker 4: got to pick out a few weeds out of the
Speaker 4: garden every once in a while. And that's part of
Speaker 4: it too. You know, sometimes the work environment is rise
Speaker 4: isn't right because you have the wrong leader or a
Speaker 4: toxic leader in the organization that you get to deal with.
Speaker 4: But I really want my legacy to be someone who
Speaker 4: created incredible, thriving work environments that helped people do things
Speaker 4: in their lives that they never thought imaginable, that helped
Speaker 4: them break their own cycles, that help them as they
Speaker 4: were thinking about challenge us with their parents and challenge
Speaker 4: us with their grandparents and the circumstances that they were
Speaker 4: born into that they were able to break out of that.
Speaker 4: I'm also passionate about helping minorities who just have everything
Speaker 4: going against them in so many ways and helping them
Speaker 4: break out of that as well. My organization is seventy
Speaker 4: six percent minority. We have a lot of our employees
Speaker 4: in New York City and Los Angeles and Miami, you know,
Speaker 4: all the big markets, and also in smaller places across
Speaker 4: the country too. But I can't tell you how many
Speaker 4: people have told me their stories and like they look
Speaker 4: at themselves and they can't believe what they're doing now,
Speaker 4: and I look at them and say, oh my god,
Speaker 4: you haven't even touched You're at the tip of the iceberg.
Speaker 4: What I see in you is what you can do,
Speaker 4: not what you've done. What you've done is probably the
Speaker 4: most unbelievable part of the story. The most believable part
Speaker 4: of your story is what you're going to do that
Speaker 4: you can't even see yet. And helping people understand that
Speaker 4: and tap into that and be all that they can
Speaker 4: be is something that I would love to be remembered for.
Speaker 2: Well, I think it's safe to say you're crushing it. Yeah, not,
Speaker 2: I think it's safe. I know it's safe. I mean,
Speaker 2: I've looked at the numbers. What a beautiful legacy. So
Speaker 2: it's all about right leaving it better than you found it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, like any other business, like you have lots of
Speaker 4: statistics and numbers, and there's an old saying and cliche
Speaker 4: out there that statistics fade, but the impact of people
Speaker 4: in your life will be remembered forever. I just spoke
Speaker 4: about the rancher that I worked for that he would
Speaker 4: never have dreamed in a million years that one I'm
Speaker 4: doing what I'm doing, and two that he had the
Speaker 4: impact in my life. And I had the opportunity just
Speaker 4: not too long ago to reach out to my sixth
Speaker 4: grade teacher, who I've kept in touch with for a while,
Speaker 4: but I just told her, I said, Hey, just washed
Speaker 4: over me. I did this last August, and it washed
Speaker 4: over me how important of a role that she played
Speaker 4: in my life. And I had an opportunity to reach
Speaker 4: out to her and tell her that, and she was
Speaker 4: just kind of blown away by that. And all of
Speaker 4: us just have this incredible opportunity to make such an
Speaker 4: enormous impact on people, and I'm just fortunate to be
Speaker 4: able to do that in a bigger way than I
Speaker 4: ever thought I could.
Speaker 3: It's beautiful.
Speaker 1: How do you relax and recharge?
Speaker 4: Oh, that's a problem. I'm always a little amped. I'm
Speaker 4: a decent facade. I'm a pretty calm person and try
Speaker 4: to project calmness, but I have a hard time kind
Speaker 4: of relaxing. I think and typically take you know, seven
Speaker 4: to ten or fourteen day vacations. We'll try to get
Speaker 4: some stuff into the weekend, and right about time I'm
Speaker 4: kind of unwinding. It's about Sunday night and time to
Speaker 4: get back after it. Yeah, time to get back after it.
Speaker 4: So that's still a work in progress for me in
Speaker 4: terms of relaxing. And so I'm always a little amped
Speaker 4: on one here, and I am relaxed because even though
Speaker 4: I have a lot of responsibility and a lot of
Speaker 4: stress around that, I'm relaxed because I have an incredible
Speaker 4: team of people that I work with that makes me,
Speaker 4: you know, relaxed because we've had all of this responsibility
Speaker 4: and accountability, but with an effective week team, then that
Speaker 4: gets pretty rough pretty fast. But I have this unbelievable
Speaker 4: team and this capable team that that I am as
Speaker 4: relaxed as I can be relative to the responsibility that
Speaker 4: I have recharging. I've got a place just north of
Speaker 4: Dallas in the Whitesboro area. It's a couple hunderd acres
Speaker 4: that I kind of go out and find the solitude
Speaker 4: and get on the John Deere tractor and you know,
Speaker 4: again all boy like, if I can find some big
Speaker 4: machinery that like goes and cuts a bunch of stuff
Speaker 4: down and ride that around for a little while, that's
Speaker 4: what I want to do.
Speaker 2: Brilliant.
Speaker 4: If I if I had a backo, I'd literally get
Speaker 4: on that and just dig up holes for no reason
Speaker 4: and just pill them back in, buldle them down. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So, I mean a great pastime, right, And you don't
Speaker 2: have to be the little boy in you.
Speaker 1: Does can be the grown man that enjoys that.
Speaker 2: And I think it's fair to say like most people, right,
Speaker 2: I mean that's a lot of power at your fingertips.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, first movers.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I used to make mud pies when I was growing up.
Speaker 3: I mean I was always.
Speaker 4: Outside, right.
Speaker 3: Last question, what would you say to someone that isn't
Speaker 3: so fortunate to be under your leadership to have those
Speaker 3: conversations to talk about their upbringings, maybe the challenges they
Speaker 3: went through.
Speaker 4: I would say it's okay when you think that your
Speaker 4: environment in your upbringing that might have been really challenged,
Speaker 4: and you think it's unique to you, Chances are it
Speaker 4: is not unique to you. So many of us have
Speaker 4: our own thing that can make us feel ashamed, and
Speaker 4: you just want to stuff it down. You don't want
Speaker 4: to talk about it, and you don't want to acknowledge it.
Speaker 4: But I can tell you from my own personal wellness
Speaker 4: emotionally and mentally talking about it and coming to grips
Speaker 4: with it and also seeing it. Jake, what you said
Speaker 4: just a few moments ago, seeing it as beautiful that
Speaker 4: I couldn't do what I'm doing today without I certainly
Speaker 4: wouldn't be the person I am today that I love
Speaker 4: who I am today. I get all kinds of works,
Speaker 4: but I love who I am today. I'm very comfortable
Speaker 4: with in my own skin. I love who I am today.
Speaker 4: I wouldn't change anything if I had an opportunity to
Speaker 4: change the last twenty years. I don't think i'd changed much,
Speaker 4: including almost losing my marriage, because the last five years
Speaker 4: has been more filling than I would have ever imagined
Speaker 4: if I hadn't gone to that point. So for me,
Speaker 4: I know I've tried to get better over the last
Speaker 4: five years, in particular wrestling and learning and being okay
Speaker 4: with challenges that I've had when I was growing up
Speaker 4: in my overall environment. And I would just tell somebody
Speaker 4: that it's okay. Like if you're ashamed by that, I
Speaker 4: think that's a natural feeling. If you think you're alone,
Speaker 4: then I don't think you are. Talk about it, be
Speaker 4: open about it and help others. And to me, like
Speaker 4: every time I've talked about this a little bit, I've
Speaker 4: had so many people who've said that helped me tremendously
Speaker 4: in so many ways. That gives me even more inspiration
Speaker 4: to talk a little bit more about it and go
Speaker 4: it a little bit deeper next time, because it has
Speaker 4: helped people like I've been a little bit at the
Speaker 4: surface and then ooh, you know, I want to hear
Speaker 4: a little bit more about that, or you know, I
Speaker 4: want to tell you my story, and that gives me inspiration.
Speaker 4: And it's amazing if you take the lens of trying
Speaker 4: to help others, how much it helps yourself.
Speaker 3: That is the good stuff, and that is exactly what
Speaker 3: the show is all about. And thank you so much
Speaker 3: for your vulnerability, for coming on and for sharing your
Speaker 3: story and providing perspective for all of us.
Speaker 4: You're very welcome. Thank thank you.
Speaker 3: John Fryar.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Look, your ability to burn your pain is
Speaker 2: fuel in order to take more ground. And having the
Speaker 2: intuitiveness as a child to do that, I think you
Speaker 2: and I.
Speaker 1: Both knows a gift.
Speaker 2: But the way that you have been able to put
Speaker 2: that into an ever evolving practice to create force multipliers
Speaker 2: for the greater good is something that.
Speaker 1: Is extremely unique.
Speaker 4: To say.
Speaker 2: It's an honor and privilege to be a drastic understatement.
Speaker 2: I can't wait to do more.
Speaker 1: Stuff with you.
Speaker 4: Listen, the honor is all mine. I'm just a simple
Speaker 4: guy from Odessa, Texas that is doing my thing. You're
Speaker 4: the hero of this conversation, my friend.
Speaker 2: Well then we'll agree to disagree, which is okay to
Speaker 2: do in this country.
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, yeah, exactly. Thank you so much.
Speaker 1: Awesome, thank you.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you're very welcome. Thank you, thank you all.
Speaker 3: I think it is so inspiring that an executive of
Speaker 3: such a large corporation that employs thousands of people across
Speaker 3: the globe is willing to be so vulnerable and come
Speaker 3: tell his truth and his story and how he got
Speaker 3: to where he is today. Proof that everyone has a story.
Speaker 2: Exactly, and it's proof positive that you put in the work,
Speaker 2: you reap their rewards. He is a prime example of
Speaker 2: what finding victor and your vulnerability and refusing to be
Speaker 2: a hostage to your pride looks like.
Speaker 3: Absolutely. And I'm just so glad that our paths crossed
Speaker 3: with T Mobile and with John Fryar.
Speaker 2: So grateful because T Mobile has been trail blazers in
Speaker 2: the communications industry. And you know, when we started years
Speaker 2: ago was twenty two kill. We were trail Blazers because
Speaker 2: we were in your face and the fact that we've
Speaker 2: collided and now we're fighting together to gain ground, for
Speaker 2: the fight for the great or good.
Speaker 4: It's a beautiful god thing.
Speaker 3: Absolutely love our Margenta fam. Thank you so much for listening.
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Speaker 2: Put on your bad ass caves and go be great today.
Speaker 2: And remember you can't do epic stuff without epic people.
Speaker 2: Thank you for listening to the good Stuff.
Speaker 5: The Good Stuff is executive produced by Ashley Shick, Jacob Schick,
Speaker 5: Leah Pictures and q Code Media. Hosted by Ashley Shick
Speaker 5: and Jacob Shick, Produced by Nick Cassolini and Ryan Kantzops.
Speaker 3: Post production supervisor Will Tindy. Music editing by Will Haywood Smith,
Speaker 3: Edited by Mike Robinson.