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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Good Stuff.

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Speaker 2: I'm Jacob Shick and I'm joined by my co host

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Speaker 2: and wife, Ashley Shick.

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Speaker 3: Jake is a third generation combat Marine and I'm a

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Speaker 3: gold Star granddaughter. And we work together to serve military veterans,

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Speaker 3: first responders, frontline healthcare workers, and their families with mental

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Speaker 3: and emotional wellness through traditional and non traditional therapy. At

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Speaker 3: One Tribe Foundation, we believe.

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Speaker 2: Everyone has a story to tell, not only about the peaks,

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Speaker 2: but also the valleys they've been through to get them

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Speaker 2: to where they are today.

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Speaker 3: Each week, we invite a guests to tell us their story,

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Speaker 3: to share with us the lessons they've learned that shape

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Speaker 3: who they are and what they're doing to pay it

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Speaker 3: forward and give back.

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Speaker 2: Our mission with this show is to dig deep into

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Speaker 2: our guest journey so that we can celebrate the hope

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Speaker 2: and inspiration their story has to offer.

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Speaker 3: We're thrilled you're joining us again.

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Speaker 4: Welcome to the Good Stuff.

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Speaker 3: Our guest today is an executive at one of America's

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Speaker 3: most well known brands, with over seventy five thousand employees

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Speaker 3: and many years on the Forbes Top one hundred Places

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Speaker 2: John Fryar t Mobile is here today to tell us

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Speaker 2: the harrowing story of his childhood and is amazing climb

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Speaker 3: John grew up in West Texas during the oil boom

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Speaker 3: bus that left countless families dealing with the harsh realities

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Speaker 3: of poverty, including his own father's death by suicide when

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Speaker 3: John was just ten years old.

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Speaker 2: It's truly inspiring that a corporate executive is so willing

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Speaker 3: Agreed, And it's one that's so honest, vulnerable, and yet

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Speaker 3: so inspiring. Sit back, you guys are going to thoroughly

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Speaker 3: enjoy this. We are so excited about today's episode. We

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Speaker 3: have been hoping, praying, wishing and working so hard to

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Speaker 3: get you on here with us. John Fryar from T Mobile,

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Speaker 3: thank you so much for joining us here on the

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Speaker 3: good Stuff.

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Speaker 4: You're very welcome. Ashley, it is so great s Year.

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Speaker 4: It's good to see you.

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Speaker 4: I know it has been a last time. The last

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Speaker 4: time we saw one another, I think was on Veterans

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Speaker 4: Day in late twenty twenty one, November eleventh of twenty

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Speaker 4: twenty one in New York City. You all came up

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Speaker 4: and you are a big part of our keynote for

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Speaker 4: our Tea Mobile Veterans Day event in New York Right.

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Speaker 3: So incredible to go up there and get to meet

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Speaker 3: more of your team. And we love t Mobile. Team

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Speaker 3: Mobile and One Tribe Foundation do a lot together, and

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Speaker 3: we are so thrilled to be part of the Magenta

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Speaker 4: Yeah, thank you. Well, we love what you're doing with

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Speaker 4: One Tribe And you know, supporting the military and supporting

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Speaker 4: And we have one of our diversity, equity and inclusion

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Speaker 4: Every single year, our biggest event is at Veterans Day

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Speaker 4: story and I'm like, absolutely, let's get more involved, and

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Speaker 4: it's just an honor of ours to be able to

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Speaker 1: It's a huge deal for us.

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Speaker 2: And main reason being too is because T Mobile definitely

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Speaker 2: because that's really indicative too of like a Marine Corps mindset. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's to be respected.

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Speaker 4: Our big mantra at T Mobile for the last ten

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Speaker 4: inspired than our nation's military and the veterans who bravely

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Speaker 3: And we knew you were on the same mission as us,

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Speaker 3: cut from the same cloth from the jump. We also

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Speaker 4: That's right. Yeah, So my sixth great grandfather served as

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Speaker 1: And if you're from Texas and don't know those dates,

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Speaker 4: Exactly go back to the seventh grade and retake Texas history.

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Speaker 3: You your very big world and everything that you're doing

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I was in the middle of the vast oil

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Speaker 4: All of my family worked in the oil and gas business.

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Speaker 3: Take me back to that ten year old little boy.

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Speaker 4: Oh man, what was I like before? I was probably

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Speaker 4: for sure. And again I haven't done any kind of

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Speaker 3: We're capturing it.

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Speaker 4: Right, and so it's still the same stuff. I was

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Speaker 2: We just want to talk about it, right, Yeah, of

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Speaker 4: It was probably, well probably, I guarantee it was related

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Speaker 4: I can relate to that, and so, yeah, so I

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Speaker 3: So many years ago.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so many years ago.

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Speaker 3: That's amazing. The lessons that truly stick with you. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: what were the dynamics of your family during those formative years?

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Speaker 4: It is tough you know, like I said, my dad

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Speaker 4: Very conservative mid seventies, and that would be like my

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, with all the things that you didn't have

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Speaker 4: Right, right, So it was tough, and she was young,

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Speaker 4: and I know she would go back and do lots

439
00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:46,200
Speaker 4: of things differently if she had the opportunity to go back.

440
00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:49,000
Speaker 4: Of course, don't we all almost on everything, we'd go

441
00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:51,600
Speaker 4: back and do things differently. But that's a tough it's

442
00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:54,439
Speaker 4: a tough environment. Like I have fond memories of the

443
00:21:54,440 --> 00:21:57,119
Speaker 4: hard work ethic that I think I have today, of

444
00:21:57,160 --> 00:21:59,840
Speaker 4: the incredible people that I think exist in West Texas,

445
00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:03,119
Speaker 4: I've got fond memories of that, but my memories within

446
00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:05,840
Speaker 4: my home aren't the fondest in the world.

447
00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:09,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's so common.

448
00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:10,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, right is that?

449
00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:13,840
Speaker 1: So what do you say that difference being is that

450
00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:19,840
Speaker 1: you being who you are or you're open, vulnerable and.

451
00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:20,520
Speaker 4: Honest about it.

452
00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:24,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's beautiful and I think that it's that by default,

453
00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:27,760
Speaker 2: and I'm speaking from my own experience here, provides empowerment

454
00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:31,400
Speaker 2: for other people to find victory in their vulnerability while

455
00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:33,200
Speaker 2: refusing to be a hostage of their pride.

456
00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:36,240
Speaker 1: And that is a force multiplication.

457
00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:37,680
Speaker 4: For greater good. That is beautifully sad.

458
00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:42,840
Speaker 2: All those people you have such a tremendous gift and

459
00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:47,879
Speaker 2: blessing because of your story. Right, you know, every morning

460
00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:52,240
Speaker 2: we do this morning motivational quote that will like gives

461
00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:55,440
Speaker 2: perspective for the day, or we do verses at night

462
00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:56,560
Speaker 2: and in the morning.

463
00:22:56,960 --> 00:22:58,640
Speaker 1: One morning, I think it was this week.

464
00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:00,439
Speaker 4: I don't know. I didn't have any yesterdays, I mean,

465
00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:03,080
Speaker 4: but it was.

466
00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:07,040
Speaker 1: Having regrets is like driving a car that only goes

467
00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:07,640
Speaker 1: in reverse.

468
00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:12,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, just because our past isn't painted with rainbows, roses

469
00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:16,959
Speaker 2: and lollipops doesn't mean it didn't attribute to who we

470
00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:20,240
Speaker 2: are now with conviction and grace and gratitude.

471
00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:25,760
Speaker 4: I couldn't agree more because I believe, and I'm not perfect,

472
00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:28,399
Speaker 4: don't get me wrong, but I believe I'm a better

473
00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:31,320
Speaker 4: parent as a result of what I've gone through, because

474
00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:33,639
Speaker 4: there's no way, no doubt that my children were going

475
00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:36,120
Speaker 4: to go through what I went through, no way. And

476
00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:39,480
Speaker 4: I know that my success that I've had in life,

477
00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:42,280
Speaker 4: you know, outside of being a parent or outside of

478
00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:45,959
Speaker 4: being a husband, has been because of what I had

479
00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:48,159
Speaker 4: gone through. And that has its drawbacks to it, and

480
00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:50,679
Speaker 4: I'd be happy to talk about that. But I knew

481
00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:53,160
Speaker 4: I wanted to break the cycle. I knew I had

482
00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:54,919
Speaker 4: to get out, and I knew there was nobody going

483
00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:58,280
Speaker 4: to help me, and it really created a drive within

484
00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:01,280
Speaker 4: me that I don't think. Maybe maybe I would have

485
00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:03,000
Speaker 4: had I don't know, It's hard to know, but I

486
00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:05,480
Speaker 4: know that there was a fire within me that there

487
00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:07,440
Speaker 4: was no help around me, and I got to figure

488
00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:11,639
Speaker 4: this thing out and I did. It wasn't clear cut,

489
00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:13,040
Speaker 4: Don't get me wrong, I took it. It's not like

490
00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:15,399
Speaker 4: I had some grand plan. Okay, now I have no

491
00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:17,919
Speaker 4: money and I'm going to be president of a fortune

492
00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:23,480
Speaker 4: forty company, and here's the plan that was not it right? Yeah,

493
00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:25,440
Speaker 4: let me type it all out and step one get

494
00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:28,880
Speaker 4: somethody eat. Step two right, find enough money to put

495
00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:31,159
Speaker 4: the gas in the fuel tank. But yeah, I was

496
00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:32,640
Speaker 4: just trying to survive, you know. I was just trying

497
00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:35,840
Speaker 4: to survive. And I knew that there's nobody coming around me.

498
00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:38,720
Speaker 4: I was around people with hard work. But what I

499
00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:41,440
Speaker 4: was gonna say is it has its strawbacks too, because

500
00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:44,280
Speaker 4: I've had a level of anxiety in me that has

501
00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:47,960
Speaker 4: been on one hand good, on the other hand, kind

502
00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:51,240
Speaker 4: of unhealthy. What I mean by that is when I

503
00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:54,320
Speaker 4: go back and I say that I still remember and

504
00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:58,439
Speaker 4: I still have these incredible relationships of people that I

505
00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:02,840
Speaker 4: deeper respect and Odessa. In West Texas, I saw incredibly

506
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:08,240
Speaker 4: great people lose everything and we're a victim of the economy.

507
00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:12,040
Speaker 4: And that scared me. Like even at ten years old,

508
00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:14,119
Speaker 4: I was like I was anxious about that. I still

509
00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:18,760
Speaker 4: remember my dad and my uncle talking on the front

510
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:20,919
Speaker 4: like not even on the front porch. It was like

511
00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:23,679
Speaker 4: in the driveway, like a cliche driveway. You know what

512
00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:27,719
Speaker 4: that means, A cleche driveway, dirt road right means Texas right,

513
00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:30,600
Speaker 4: a Clichee Driveway. This was in late nineteen eighty five,

514
00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:35,000
Speaker 4: really worried about the price of oil and the layoffs

515
00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:39,080
Speaker 4: and companies collapsing and talking about that, and that got

516
00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:42,600
Speaker 4: me nervous and anxious. But I saw these incredibly great

517
00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:47,639
Speaker 4: people lose everything, And what also got imprinted me at

518
00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:53,200
Speaker 4: an early age was I could lose everything, and I

519
00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:59,480
Speaker 4: got to continue to work and deliver and perform irrationally,

520
00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:03,880
Speaker 4: probably so that I never find myself in that position

521
00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:07,760
Speaker 4: in the mid nineteen eighties where we lose everything. Because

522
00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:10,600
Speaker 4: I saw great people, no fault of their own, the

523
00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:15,280
Speaker 4: world changed and they lost everything almost overnight, overnight, right overnight.

524
00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:19,919
Speaker 4: And that again was a drive within me that working

525
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:22,800
Speaker 4: was never enough, getting to this level of the organization's

526
00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:24,960
Speaker 4: nerve enough, making this amount of money, It's never enough.

527
00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:27,520
Speaker 4: I got to keep driving and keep pushing because I

528
00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:30,600
Speaker 4: need to create a cushion. And that's only gotten right

529
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:35,120
Speaker 4: with me probably in the last five years. Until about

530
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:38,320
Speaker 4: five years ago, I was still a rational and overly

531
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:40,760
Speaker 4: anxious and borderline neurotic about it.

532
00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:43,359
Speaker 3: Wow, what changed?

533
00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:44,159
Speaker 4: Yeah? What was it?

534
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:47,600
Speaker 1: Where you were like, Okay, I can start to settle down.

535
00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:51,600
Speaker 4: I was about to lose my sixteen year marriage. So

536
00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:53,720
Speaker 4: I got married in two thousand and two to my

537
00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:57,600
Speaker 4: incredible wife Holly. But it was never enough. And I'm

538
00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:00,919
Speaker 4: too involved in work, I'm too strong used out about it.

539
00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:04,480
Speaker 4: I'm not living the life here and now I'm not

540
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:07,840
Speaker 4: putting in the time and effort into our marriage. I

541
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:11,120
Speaker 4: have learned that you know, that tank will run dry,

542
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:14,840
Speaker 4: and you have to refill that tank just within all relationships, right,

543
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:19,080
Speaker 4: relationships will run dry unless you are constantly refueling and

544
00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:22,199
Speaker 4: making deposits in the proverbial you know, bank account. I

545
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:24,080
Speaker 4: was making withdrawals and I wasn't putting a whole lot

546
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:25,720
Speaker 4: of deposits in, and I found out that I was

547
00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:29,000
Speaker 4: way overdrawn, and we got in a very bad place,

548
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:32,080
Speaker 4: to the point that we filed for divorce. I filed

549
00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:34,959
Speaker 4: for divorce, and you know, we got down to the

550
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:37,280
Speaker 4: one yard line, I mean like one inch line of

551
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:39,080
Speaker 4: kind of closing this thing up. I mean we've done

552
00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:42,320
Speaker 4: all the you know, dividing up her lawyer, my lawyer,

553
00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:45,120
Speaker 4: the whole thing. Well, you were right there, We're right there.

554
00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:47,760
Speaker 4: All we're down is to signatures. And we're down to

555
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:51,000
Speaker 4: signatures after you know, our annual bonus comes in, which

556
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:52,919
Speaker 4: is at the end of February, so we're down to

557
00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:55,159
Speaker 4: signatures because that's the last thing and then we're going

558
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:59,240
Speaker 4: to divide everything up and move on. And I was

559
00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:03,959
Speaker 4: so distraught over it. I worked primarily in Seattle and

560
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:07,840
Speaker 4: we lived in Bellevue, Washington at the time, and I

561
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:11,640
Speaker 4: remember every day walking into the parking garage so distraught

562
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:13,840
Speaker 4: over this that I would like there was a trash can.

563
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:15,959
Speaker 4: As soon as I walked into the stairwall into the building,

564
00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:19,200
Speaker 4: I'd kind of put my problems in, all my marriage,

565
00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:21,720
Speaker 4: falling apart problems right through at that trash can, and

566
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:24,520
Speaker 4: I'd walk in pit the smile on, do the happy dance,

567
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:26,240
Speaker 4: the whole thing, and walk back out the end of

568
00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:28,439
Speaker 4: the day and pick those problems right back up and

569
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:31,440
Speaker 4: take them right to my car. And I was so

570
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:34,400
Speaker 4: distraught over it. At the one yard line, we found

571
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:38,040
Speaker 4: a spark. And the good news is that there's no

572
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:40,600
Speaker 4: bad behavior on any one of our parts. There's no

573
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:43,360
Speaker 4: fighting over the assets and stuff. I'm like, hey, here's

574
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:44,959
Speaker 4: what you're entitled to. I'm not going to fight over

575
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:48,360
Speaker 4: all that. And I think because as we were going

576
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:50,479
Speaker 4: through that, we had as bad as good have an

577
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:53,080
Speaker 4: experience as you can have with that, we didn't find

578
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:55,000
Speaker 4: ourselves in a place that we just can't even see

579
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:56,840
Speaker 4: one another talking to one another. So many people go

580
00:28:56,880 --> 00:29:00,960
Speaker 4: through such u beliefs. Right, you can't even you can't

581
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:02,440
Speaker 4: even stand the sight of something.

582
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:04,040
Speaker 1: It can't even be in the same zip.

583
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:07,280
Speaker 4: Code, right, exactly, nothing like that. We found a spark

584
00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:10,160
Speaker 4: there at the end that kind of scared both of

585
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:12,400
Speaker 4: us a little bit because we're like, well, what is

586
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:17,320
Speaker 4: I I thought we were done, you know, and we

587
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:19,160
Speaker 4: kind of built on it a few more months and then,

588
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:21,640
Speaker 4: you know, we were very public about this with our families

589
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:23,680
Speaker 4: and the whole thing, and it was a hard time,

590
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:27,760
Speaker 4: but it was me getting right with I don't know,

591
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:31,440
Speaker 4: both people have their contributions to relationship failures, but I

592
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:34,680
Speaker 4: had a bigger contribution to the relationship failure at that time,

593
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:37,440
Speaker 4: and it was a lot of my behavior and my

594
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:43,080
Speaker 4: just being neurotic and being anxious and being scared, being

595
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:45,320
Speaker 4: scared of going back to this time in the mid

596
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:50,200
Speaker 4: nineteen eighties, irrational, totally irrational, and just being scared about

597
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:54,520
Speaker 4: that to the point where I didn't invest in the

598
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 4: relationship and I let my marriage die. It died at

599
00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:00,239
Speaker 4: the end of my days. I think the most thing

600
00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:03,720
Speaker 4: ILL would be thankful for across my entire life I

601
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:05,560
Speaker 4: have a chance to think about it before I passed

602
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:07,920
Speaker 4: from this life, is to be thankful for the opportunity

603
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:10,960
Speaker 4: to resuscitate my marriage, because most people don't get an

604
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:13,480
Speaker 4: opportunity to do that, right, most people like when a

605
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:16,760
Speaker 4: relationship dies, people move on and hopefully generally people will

606
00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:20,080
Speaker 4: find peace after that. But I was able to resuscitate mine,

607
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:22,400
Speaker 4: And I think what my wife would tell you is

608
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:25,160
Speaker 4: I'm a completely and totally different person over the last

609
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:28,840
Speaker 4: five years than I was in the first sixteen years. Wow.

610
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:32,600
Speaker 4: And unfortunately it took that for me to kind of

611
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:35,320
Speaker 4: get my act together. And I wished it didn't take

612
00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:37,280
Speaker 4: that for me to get my act together, but it did,

613
00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:43,320
Speaker 4: and I'm forever grateful for it. Thank God. Yeah, forever, absolutely, that's.

614
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:45,160
Speaker 3: Right, And thank you for sharing that.

615
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:45,480
Speaker 4: Yeah.

616
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:47,760
Speaker 3: I mean, it's beautiful that you are where you are now.

617
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:50,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, That's the thing I'm most proud of in my

618
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:53,480
Speaker 4: life is we have an incredible relationship. We have two

619
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:58,520
Speaker 4: incredible children, and our family is just blessed beyond measure.

620
00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:00,720
Speaker 4: And I've had all the success side of that in

621
00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:04,000
Speaker 4: the workplace, but to me, that's secondary or tertiary to

622
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:07,200
Speaker 4: the success that we've had. And that's been hard, and again,

623
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:10,320
Speaker 4: of course it's been hard. But man, we're just such

624
00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:11,240
Speaker 4: a great place today.

625
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:12,560
Speaker 3: I'm so happy for you.

626
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:13,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, thanks for all of you.

627
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:15,080
Speaker 1: It's greatness.

628
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:22,240
Speaker 3: Take me back to how your professional career. What was

629
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:25,120
Speaker 3: that trajectory you wanted to break the cycle and then

630
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:26,640
Speaker 3: you got an opportunity I did.

631
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:28,880
Speaker 4: I stumbled to this business I've been a part of

632
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:31,960
Speaker 4: for almost thirty years, so nineteen ninety four and I

633
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:35,680
Speaker 4: just literally stumbled into this business before anyone really had

634
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:38,120
Speaker 4: a cell phone. There's like two of us. I had one,

635
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:41,200
Speaker 4: and my high school friend at the time recommended, like, oh,

636
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:43,200
Speaker 4: you got to go work for this company, and you're

637
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:44,960
Speaker 4: going to Lubbock because I was leaving Odessa and I

638
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 4: was chasing a girlfriend of Lubbock.

639
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 3: Big city.

640
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:49,760
Speaker 4: BIG's big city, right, That's what I do. I made it.

641
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:52,680
Speaker 4: I'm like, I'm getting out of a dusta Texas and

642
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:54,720
Speaker 4: I'm going to Lubbock and I've made it.

643
00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:58,080
Speaker 1: You all sound like so Wes Texans right now?

644
00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:02,360
Speaker 4: Halloween, Holly baby, exactly, Buddy, Holly, that's where the big

645
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 4: mall is, the sound Planes Mall, and you know, yeah,

646
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:07,720
Speaker 4: So I went to Lubbock and I just kind of

647
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 4: fell into this business. And at that time, they're looking

648
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 4: for salespeople and if you could make it great, you

649
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 4: made a lot of money, and if you couldn't, and

650
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:17,760
Speaker 4: you got fired pretty much immediately. And so the interview

651
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:21,480
Speaker 4: was something like, can you fog a mirror? If you

652
00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:25,760
Speaker 4: can fog a mirror, you're hired. It's basically basically I'll work.

653
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 4: It was literally that because I had zero skills. I

654
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:30,640
Speaker 4: had no idea what I was doing, Like, I had nothing,

655
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:33,160
Speaker 4: So like they hired me, and I'm like, all right,

656
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:34,920
Speaker 4: so like here's the number, and if I don't make

657
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:36,720
Speaker 4: the number, I'm tossed out of here. So I got

658
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:39,240
Speaker 4: to make the number. And I literally had my first

659
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:43,080
Speaker 4: business cards and I'm literally leaving business cards at payphones

660
00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:45,640
Speaker 4: because if I can leave my business cards at payphones

661
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:48,040
Speaker 4: and I can get people who are wearing pagers that

662
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:49,840
Speaker 4: they get a page and they pull over and they

663
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:52,440
Speaker 4: go to the payphone, you should graduate from that. That's

664
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:54,000
Speaker 4: kind of dumb. Why don't you talk to me? Drop

665
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:55,440
Speaker 4: the pager and I get you a cell phone, blah

666
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:58,160
Speaker 4: blah blah blah blah, brilliant market, right exactly. So I

667
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:01,040
Speaker 4: literally ran around all over town doing that kind of stuff,

668
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 4: and then one opportunity kind of led into another. And

669
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 4: first of all I worked with in the mid nineties,

670
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:10,840
Speaker 4: I just had this. I had so much fun. I

671
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:13,040
Speaker 4: worked with a whole group of people that was a

672
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 4: cast of characters that was really kind of a band

673
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:18,040
Speaker 4: of misfits, and but it taught me a lot ill

674
00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 4: name names or anything. But like this person over here

675
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:23,920
Speaker 4: was just kind of the crazy, borderline unethical, kind of

676
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:26,640
Speaker 4: crazy person over here. And then this person over here

677
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:30,440
Speaker 4: was like really awesome driver, but like really kind of

678
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:33,640
Speaker 4: created these weird dynamics where everybody, you know, like as

679
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:36,600
Speaker 4: soon as she walked in, everybody was uncomfortable. But she

680
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:39,160
Speaker 4: was really awesome and made her numbers. And so I

681
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:41,640
Speaker 4: had all these casting characters that I got to learn from,

682
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:43,880
Speaker 4: and I tried to take a little bit from here

683
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:45,880
Speaker 4: and a little bit from here and try to make

684
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:47,880
Speaker 4: my way of doing things, you know, the way I

685
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:49,880
Speaker 4: wanted to do it from learning from everybody else. But

686
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:53,160
Speaker 4: I remember we called it this You're gonna laugh at

687
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:55,640
Speaker 4: this because let me show you boot camp, but we

688
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:57,560
Speaker 4: called it the boot camp. That was the sales training

689
00:33:57,560 --> 00:33:59,720
Speaker 4: program that was called boot camp. It's just like the

690
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:02,479
Speaker 4: oh I bet say, just exactly right right, you know

691
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:05,959
Speaker 4: at the hotel, at the Embassy suites, just like I mean,

692
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:10,080
Speaker 4: we did the same exactly room service, room service, you know, drinks,

693
00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:12,640
Speaker 4: you know, the whole thing. But the trader said only

694
00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:14,080
Speaker 4: one of you will make it out of this, and

695
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 4: there's like twenty five of us, and turned out he

696
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:17,680
Speaker 4: was right. But yeah, I just every single one of

697
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:20,879
Speaker 4: these opportunities I got, and I talk to people about

698
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 4: this all the time that what you want to be

699
00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:27,200
Speaker 4: able to do is in the moment, outwork everybody in

700
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:30,160
Speaker 4: the moment, take care of everybody around you. So it's

701
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:32,760
Speaker 4: not just doing what you need to do to advance yourself,

702
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:35,920
Speaker 4: it's about taking care of everybody else around you and

703
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:38,399
Speaker 4: making a group of people better and that will come

704
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:40,600
Speaker 4: back to you and reward you if you do that.

705
00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:44,319
Speaker 4: And in corporate America, you need a grand slam, high

706
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:46,759
Speaker 4: profile moments. Every once in a while. You're going to

707
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:50,799
Speaker 4: get a moment with your boss's boss and you are

708
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:53,680
Speaker 4: going to have a moment that sure on a Wednesday

709
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:55,840
Speaker 4: when nobody's looking. You need to be doing the right things.

710
00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:58,279
Speaker 4: But you're also going to have a moment where that

711
00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:01,120
Speaker 4: five minutes is going to matter, maybe that ten minute

712
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:03,960
Speaker 4: presentation is going to matter, and you better grant slam that.

713
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:06,560
Speaker 4: And I kind of learned that early on, and I

714
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:09,640
Speaker 4: really put in the preparation and effort to every time

715
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:11,680
Speaker 4: I got a kind of one of those high profile

716
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:13,880
Speaker 4: moments that I call I tried to grand slam that,

717
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:17,120
Speaker 4: and that got me noticed. Then I'm in a conversation,

718
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:20,920
Speaker 4: and then when opportunity starts flowing, I just decided to

719
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 4: say yes to every opportunity. We want you to go

720
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 4: to the Rio Grande Valley, Yes, we want you to

721
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:29,480
Speaker 4: go to Omahona, Raska. Yes. So I said yes to everything.

722
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:31,920
Speaker 4: Why I said yes to everything is I was scared

723
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:34,160
Speaker 4: of saying no, because if I said no, I'm going

724
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:36,000
Speaker 4: back to a Dusta, Texas in the nineteen eighties and

725
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:39,200
Speaker 4: I'm going to be penniless. So I said yes to

726
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:42,760
Speaker 4: everything at a point of like not following some game

727
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:46,200
Speaker 4: plan that I wrote out, but had of being scared

728
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:50,600
Speaker 4: to say no, right and again, that served me incredibly well.

729
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:52,239
Speaker 4: But like I said, a few moments ago that came

730
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 4: with a little bit of problems too my personal life.

731
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:56,680
Speaker 3: What do you want your legacy to be?

732
00:35:57,120 --> 00:36:00,560
Speaker 4: Oh, gosh, my legacy. I'm in a place my career.

733
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:03,640
Speaker 4: I'm thinking more and more about that. I want it

734
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:08,319
Speaker 4: to be one where people will think of me and

735
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 4: will say, man, I am better because of his impact

736
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:16,400
Speaker 4: in my life. I am a better person, I'm a

737
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:20,120
Speaker 4: better leader. I'm creating a work environment where everybody can

738
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 4: thrive because one of the things that's most important to

739
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:25,960
Speaker 4: me is, particularly at this level of the organization, where

740
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:29,480
Speaker 4: I create work environments that attract the very best people

741
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:32,880
Speaker 4: and allow them to do their very best work. And

742
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 4: if I can do that at a senior level in

743
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:37,640
Speaker 4: the organization, then I have the best chance for that

744
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:40,719
Speaker 4: to permeate to the next level of the organization, and

745
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:42,799
Speaker 4: then permeate to the next level and permeate to the

746
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:45,280
Speaker 4: next level. Before you know it, you've got a highly

747
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:51,080
Speaker 4: functioning and productive and thriving organization based on the people

748
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:54,400
Speaker 4: that you attract. Jack Welch will tell you that leadership

749
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:57,920
Speaker 4: is like gardening. A lot of watering, a lot of planting,

750
00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:00,200
Speaker 4: a lot of nutrients, and every once in while you

751
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:01,600
Speaker 4: got to pick out a few weeds out of the

752
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 4: garden every once in a while. And that's part of

753
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 4: it too. You know, sometimes the work environment is rise

754
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:08,840
Speaker 4: isn't right because you have the wrong leader or a

755
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:10,920
Speaker 4: toxic leader in the organization that you get to deal with.

756
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:14,000
Speaker 4: But I really want my legacy to be someone who

757
00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:20,840
Speaker 4: created incredible, thriving work environments that helped people do things

758
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:23,680
Speaker 4: in their lives that they never thought imaginable, that helped

759
00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:27,719
Speaker 4: them break their own cycles, that help them as they

760
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:31,400
Speaker 4: were thinking about challenge us with their parents and challenge

761
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:35,040
Speaker 4: us with their grandparents and the circumstances that they were

762
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:37,520
Speaker 4: born into that they were able to break out of that.

763
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:46,520
Speaker 4: I'm also passionate about helping minorities who just have everything

764
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:51,120
Speaker 4: going against them in so many ways and helping them

765
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:55,080
Speaker 4: break out of that as well. My organization is seventy

766
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:57,960
Speaker 4: six percent minority. We have a lot of our employees

767
00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:00,319
Speaker 4: in New York City and Los Angeles and Miami, you know,

768
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:03,000
Speaker 4: all the big markets, and also in smaller places across

769
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:05,319
Speaker 4: the country too. But I can't tell you how many

770
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:07,640
Speaker 4: people have told me their stories and like they look

771
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:10,839
Speaker 4: at themselves and they can't believe what they're doing now,

772
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:12,920
Speaker 4: and I look at them and say, oh my god,

773
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:15,160
Speaker 4: you haven't even touched You're at the tip of the iceberg.

774
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:17,640
Speaker 4: What I see in you is what you can do,

775
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:20,279
Speaker 4: not what you've done. What you've done is probably the

776
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:23,560
Speaker 4: most unbelievable part of the story. The most believable part

777
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:25,719
Speaker 4: of your story is what you're going to do that

778
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:29,799
Speaker 4: you can't even see yet. And helping people understand that

779
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:32,839
Speaker 4: and tap into that and be all that they can

780
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:36,560
Speaker 4: be is something that I would love to be remembered for.

781
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:41,120
Speaker 2: Well, I think it's safe to say you're crushing it. Yeah, not,

782
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:43,000
Speaker 2: I think it's safe. I know it's safe. I mean,

783
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:45,680
Speaker 2: I've looked at the numbers. What a beautiful legacy. So

784
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:47,920
Speaker 2: it's all about right leaving it better than you found it.

785
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:50,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, like any other business, like you have lots of

786
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 4: statistics and numbers, and there's an old saying and cliche

787
00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:58,840
Speaker 4: out there that statistics fade, but the impact of people

788
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 4: in your life will be remembered forever. I just spoke

789
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:05,240
Speaker 4: about the rancher that I worked for that he would

790
00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 4: never have dreamed in a million years that one I'm

791
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 4: doing what I'm doing, and two that he had the

792
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:12,319
Speaker 4: impact in my life. And I had the opportunity just

793
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 4: not too long ago to reach out to my sixth

794
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 4: grade teacher, who I've kept in touch with for a while,

795
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:21,399
Speaker 4: but I just told her, I said, Hey, just washed

796
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 4: over me. I did this last August, and it washed

797
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:26,680
Speaker 4: over me how important of a role that she played

798
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:28,399
Speaker 4: in my life. And I had an opportunity to reach

799
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:29,880
Speaker 4: out to her and tell her that, and she was

800
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:33,000
Speaker 4: just kind of blown away by that. And all of

801
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:36,239
Speaker 4: us just have this incredible opportunity to make such an

802
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:39,360
Speaker 4: enormous impact on people, and I'm just fortunate to be

803
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:41,279
Speaker 4: able to do that in a bigger way than I

804
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:42,040
Speaker 4: ever thought I could.

805
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:43,239
Speaker 3: It's beautiful.

806
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:45,680
Speaker 1: How do you relax and recharge?

807
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:50,160
Speaker 4: Oh, that's a problem. I'm always a little amped. I'm

808
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:53,480
Speaker 4: a decent facade. I'm a pretty calm person and try

809
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:56,759
Speaker 4: to project calmness, but I have a hard time kind

810
00:39:56,760 --> 00:40:01,400
Speaker 4: of relaxing. I think and typically take you know, seven

811
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:03,680
Speaker 4: to ten or fourteen day vacations. We'll try to get

812
00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:06,319
Speaker 4: some stuff into the weekend, and right about time I'm

813
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:11,000
Speaker 4: kind of unwinding. It's about Sunday night and time to

814
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:13,759
Speaker 4: get back after it. Yeah, time to get back after it.

815
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:15,840
Speaker 4: So that's still a work in progress for me in

816
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:19,360
Speaker 4: terms of relaxing. And so I'm always a little amped

817
00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:22,560
Speaker 4: on one here, and I am relaxed because even though

818
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:24,640
Speaker 4: I have a lot of responsibility and a lot of

819
00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:27,320
Speaker 4: stress around that, I'm relaxed because I have an incredible

820
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:29,440
Speaker 4: team of people that I work with that makes me,

821
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:33,640
Speaker 4: you know, relaxed because we've had all of this responsibility

822
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:37,759
Speaker 4: and accountability, but with an effective week team, then that

823
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:40,760
Speaker 4: gets pretty rough pretty fast. But I have this unbelievable

824
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:43,680
Speaker 4: team and this capable team that that I am as

825
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:46,600
Speaker 4: relaxed as I can be relative to the responsibility that

826
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:51,440
Speaker 4: I have recharging. I've got a place just north of

827
00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:54,920
Speaker 4: Dallas in the Whitesboro area. It's a couple hunderd acres

828
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:57,600
Speaker 4: that I kind of go out and find the solitude

829
00:40:57,640 --> 00:41:00,319
Speaker 4: and get on the John Deere tractor and you know,

830
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:03,040
Speaker 4: again all boy like, if I can find some big

831
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:05,360
Speaker 4: machinery that like goes and cuts a bunch of stuff

832
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:07,120
Speaker 4: down and ride that around for a little while, that's

833
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:07,719
Speaker 4: what I want to do.

834
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:10,760
Speaker 2: Brilliant.

835
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:14,040
Speaker 4: If I if I had a backo, I'd literally get

836
00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:15,840
Speaker 4: on that and just dig up holes for no reason

837
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:20,400
Speaker 4: and just pill them back in, buldle them down. Yeah.

838
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:24,239
Speaker 2: So, I mean a great pastime, right, And you don't

839
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:25,719
Speaker 2: have to be the little boy in you.

840
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:28,120
Speaker 1: Does can be the grown man that enjoys that.

841
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:32,239
Speaker 2: And I think it's fair to say like most people, right,

842
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:34,640
Speaker 2: I mean that's a lot of power at your fingertips.

843
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:36,600
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, first movers.

844
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 2: Yeah.

845
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:39,200
Speaker 3: I used to make mud pies when I was growing up.

846
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:40,600
Speaker 3: I mean I was always.

847
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:42,479
Speaker 4: Outside, right.

848
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 3: Last question, what would you say to someone that isn't

849
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:49,839
Speaker 3: so fortunate to be under your leadership to have those

850
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:53,200
Speaker 3: conversations to talk about their upbringings, maybe the challenges they

851
00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:53,760
Speaker 3: went through.

852
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:59,520
Speaker 4: I would say it's okay when you think that your

853
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:02,719
Speaker 4: environment in your upbringing that might have been really challenged,

854
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:05,560
Speaker 4: and you think it's unique to you, Chances are it

855
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:07,880
Speaker 4: is not unique to you. So many of us have

856
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:11,600
Speaker 4: our own thing that can make us feel ashamed, and

857
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:13,239
Speaker 4: you just want to stuff it down. You don't want

858
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:15,200
Speaker 4: to talk about it, and you don't want to acknowledge it.

859
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:19,800
Speaker 4: But I can tell you from my own personal wellness

860
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:24,840
Speaker 4: emotionally and mentally talking about it and coming to grips

861
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:27,640
Speaker 4: with it and also seeing it. Jake, what you said

862
00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:30,840
Speaker 4: just a few moments ago, seeing it as beautiful that

863
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:34,520
Speaker 4: I couldn't do what I'm doing today without I certainly

864
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:36,440
Speaker 4: wouldn't be the person I am today that I love

865
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:38,680
Speaker 4: who I am today. I get all kinds of works,

866
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:40,880
Speaker 4: but I love who I am today. I'm very comfortable

867
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:42,399
Speaker 4: with in my own skin. I love who I am today.

868
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 4: I wouldn't change anything if I had an opportunity to

869
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:47,160
Speaker 4: change the last twenty years. I don't think i'd changed much,

870
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Speaker 4: including almost losing my marriage, because the last five years

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Speaker 4: has been more filling than I would have ever imagined

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Speaker 4: if I hadn't gone to that point. So for me,

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Speaker 4: I know I've tried to get better over the last

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Speaker 4: five years, in particular wrestling and learning and being okay

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Speaker 4: with challenges that I've had when I was growing up

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Speaker 4: in my overall environment. And I would just tell somebody

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Speaker 4: that it's okay. Like if you're ashamed by that, I

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Speaker 4: think that's a natural feeling. If you think you're alone,

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Speaker 4: then I don't think you are. Talk about it, be

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Speaker 4: open about it and help others. And to me, like

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Speaker 4: every time I've talked about this a little bit, I've

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Speaker 4: had so many people who've said that helped me tremendously

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Speaker 4: in so many ways. That gives me even more inspiration

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Speaker 4: to talk a little bit more about it and go

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Speaker 4: it a little bit deeper next time, because it has

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Speaker 4: helped people like I've been a little bit at the

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Speaker 4: surface and then ooh, you know, I want to hear

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Speaker 4: a little bit more about that, or you know, I

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Speaker 4: want to tell you my story, and that gives me inspiration.

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Speaker 4: And it's amazing if you take the lens of trying

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Speaker 4: to help others, how much it helps yourself.

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Speaker 3: That is the good stuff, and that is exactly what

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Speaker 3: the show is all about. And thank you so much

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Speaker 3: for your vulnerability, for coming on and for sharing your

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Speaker 3: story and providing perspective for all of us.

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Speaker 4: You're very welcome. Thank thank you.

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Speaker 3: John Fryar.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Look, your ability to burn your pain is

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Speaker 2: fuel in order to take more ground. And having the

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Speaker 2: intuitiveness as a child to do that, I think you

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Speaker 2: and I.

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Speaker 1: Both knows a gift.

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Speaker 2: But the way that you have been able to put

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Speaker 2: that into an ever evolving practice to create force multipliers

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Speaker 2: for the greater good is something that.

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Speaker 1: Is extremely unique.

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Speaker 4: To say.

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Speaker 2: It's an honor and privilege to be a drastic understatement.

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Speaker 2: I can't wait to do more.

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Speaker 1: Stuff with you.

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Speaker 4: Listen, the honor is all mine. I'm just a simple

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Speaker 4: guy from Odessa, Texas that is doing my thing. You're

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Speaker 4: the hero of this conversation, my friend.

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Speaker 2: Well then we'll agree to disagree, which is okay to

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Speaker 2: do in this country.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, yeah, exactly. Thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: Awesome, thank you.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you're very welcome. Thank you, thank you all.

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Speaker 3: I think it is so inspiring that an executive of

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Speaker 3: such a large corporation that employs thousands of people across

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Speaker 3: the globe is willing to be so vulnerable and come

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Speaker 3: tell his truth and his story and how he got

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Speaker 3: to where he is today. Proof that everyone has a story.

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Speaker 2: Exactly, and it's proof positive that you put in the work,

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Speaker 2: you reap their rewards. He is a prime example of

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Speaker 2: what finding victor and your vulnerability and refusing to be

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Speaker 2: a hostage to your pride looks like.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely. And I'm just so glad that our paths crossed

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Speaker 3: with T Mobile and with John Fryar.

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Speaker 2: So grateful because T Mobile has been trail blazers in

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Speaker 2: the communications industry. And you know, when we started years

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Speaker 2: ago was twenty two kill. We were trail Blazers because

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Speaker 2: we were in your face and the fact that we've

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Speaker 2: collided and now we're fighting together to gain ground, for

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Speaker 2: the fight for the great or good.

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Speaker 4: It's a beautiful god thing.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely love our Margenta fam. Thank you so much for listening.

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Speaker 3: If this episode touched you today, please share it and

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Speaker 3: be part of making someone else's day better.

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Speaker 2: Put on your bad ass caves and go be great today.

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Speaker 2: And remember you can't do epic stuff without epic people.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for listening to the good Stuff.

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Speaker 5: The Good Stuff is executive produced by Ashley Shick, Jacob Schick,

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Speaker 5: Leah Pictures and q Code Media. Hosted by Ashley Shick

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Speaker 5: and Jacob Shick, Produced by Nick Cassolini and Ryan Kantzops.

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Speaker 3: Post production supervisor Will Tindy. Music editing by Will Haywood Smith,

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Speaker 3: Edited by Mike Robinson.