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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back to Like a Virgin. I'm Rose Damu.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm Fran Tirado.

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<v Speaker 1>And I have already admonished Fran today because it is

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<v Speaker 1>the first day of fall. I made her take the

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<v Speaker 1>metal straw out of her iced coffee glass. We will

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<v Speaker 1>only be drinking hot coffee going forward while we record.

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<v Speaker 2>Queerphobic, transphobic.

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<v Speaker 1>Aren't we past the whole gay people love iced coffee thing?

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<v Speaker 2>No. As a matter of fact, we're not. Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>I drink. Everyone loves iced coffee. It's not a specifically

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<v Speaker 1>gay thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Your hair looks so good today, Rose. I have to say.

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<v Speaker 2>I was with you on the day that you got

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<v Speaker 2>your hair done. But now that I see it. did

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<v Speaker 2>like that kind of like two day three day kind

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<v Speaker 2>of like PC hair it looks so delish what kind

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<v Speaker 2>of product do you have in it right now.

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<v Speaker 1>There is no product in it whatsoever I blew it

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<v Speaker 1>out yesterday because I was doing Stradio Lab which y'all

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<v Speaker 1>can have to look forward to I'm not sure when

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<v Speaker 1>it's coming out but I am an upcoming guest on

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<v Speaker 1>Stradio Lab and um when I got home I was

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<v Speaker 1>like well I blew my hair out I should try

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<v Speaker 1>to maintain it and then I was like well I

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<v Speaker 1>also want to take a bath um So this is

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<v Speaker 1>hair that was soaked in a tub, slept on, and

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<v Speaker 1>then brushed out this morning. That's all that's happening.

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<v Speaker 2>Sometimes the best hair is that. It's the hair that's

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<v Speaker 2>not trying. Same thing with makeup. I like love next

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<v Speaker 2>day makeup. I love next day eyeliner. Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you should never be sleeping in your makeup.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean, next day eyeliner specifically. Sure. Like when

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<v Speaker 2>there's like a little bit left on. It's still not great, but.

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<v Speaker 2>For your health, but for your look, for your nerve.

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<v Speaker 1>It's gorgeous. Gorgeous.

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<v Speaker 2>Rose. Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>It's the first day of fall, Fran. Happy fall.

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<v Speaker 2>Is it really? It is.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't you see the pumpkin behind me?

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<v Speaker 2>It is. I see it.

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<v Speaker 1>I bought a pumpkin at the farmer's market this weekend. virgins.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to know if you would be interested in

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<v Speaker 2>us just like dropping the unedited Riverside videos of our,

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<v Speaker 2>no one can ever see that. Well, I'm just saying

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<v Speaker 2>if they want to, if you, would you pay extra

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<v Speaker 2>for that?

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<v Speaker 1>Because we would drop that, but I'll do it for

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<v Speaker 1>money until then.

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<v Speaker 2>Rosa and I will be now dropping clips of our

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<v Speaker 2>records on our social. If you don't follow us, you

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<v Speaker 2>should at like a virgin for 2069 on Instagram. Um, But, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>the one thing they would have to benefit from is, like,

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<v Speaker 2>we will see, I will see, and the Virgin should see,

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<v Speaker 2>increasingly Halloween-y decor in the circumference of your recording setup.

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<v Speaker 1>So I actually think the decorating really starts today, now

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<v Speaker 1>that it's the first day of fall. Um, and well, no,

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<v Speaker 1>not today because I, when I started, you started when

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<v Speaker 1>we got back from Dalmatia, let's be, no, I actually didn't.

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<v Speaker 1>I really held back. I, I, I have not decorated

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<v Speaker 1>for fall at all. When I was in, when I

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<v Speaker 1>was home, uh, two weeks ago, my mom and I

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<v Speaker 1>went to home goods and I bought a bunch of,

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<v Speaker 1>a bunch of Halloween decorations there that I then made

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<v Speaker 1>her ship to me. The shipping cost was so expensive.

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<v Speaker 1>I paid for it. But I still have to take

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<v Speaker 1>all of my Halloween decorations out of the closet, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>sort of survey everything I have, pull in the new

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<v Speaker 1>things and figure out where I'm going. I also just

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<v Speaker 1>bought a bunch of vintage Halloween die cuts on eBay.

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<v Speaker 2>Wait, what's a die cut?

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<v Speaker 1>A die cut are those paper things where it's like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, like a witch flying across the moon.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, that you stick onto a window. That you stick

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<v Speaker 2>onto a window. Classic. Classic. Yeah, classic suburban mom decor.

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<v Speaker 1>We had one growing up that I believe my mom

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<v Speaker 1>still has that was a skeleton, and we used to

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<v Speaker 1>call it by the name of one of her boyfriends

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<v Speaker 1>that she dated in between divorcing my dad and marrying

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<v Speaker 1>my stepdad. Shade. Yes, it was Shade, because he was

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<v Speaker 1>very skinny. I guess we were just making fun of

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<v Speaker 1>him for being so thin.

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<v Speaker 2>So you were body shaming him.

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<v Speaker 1>We were body shaming him. Was he the boyfriend who

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<v Speaker 1>was really into The Matrix?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes.

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<v Speaker 1>He's probably a chaser now. Chase?

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<v Speaker 2>He knew. I feel like I need to rewatch the

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<v Speaker 2>Matrix movies because if the virgins remember from our Matrix episode,

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't love them slash I fell asleep during the

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<v Speaker 2>first one. And I now own sunglasses from the Matrix movie.

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<v Speaker 2>I am the ultimate kind of poser. But some things, again,

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<v Speaker 2>are like I like the style even if I don't

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<v Speaker 2>like the substance and.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, gag on this eleganza. As you know, I recently

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<v Speaker 1>bought a 4K Blu-ray player to start my physical media journey.

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<v Speaker 1>And one of the movies that I did purchase was

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<v Speaker 1>The Matrix. So let's have a kiki. Let's have a

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<v Speaker 1>movie night. Watch The Matrix.

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<v Speaker 2>We have so many things to watch. I would love to. Honestly,

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<v Speaker 2>I would come over tonight. But I have to say

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<v Speaker 2>that you've pitched... trinity to me as a halloween costume.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes it would be so perfect for you i.

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<v Speaker 2>Think it could possibly be too expensive i think like

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<v Speaker 2>the leather that i would need to get would need

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<v Speaker 2>to be nice um because i want to wear it

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<v Speaker 2>again i try not to buy things that are just

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<v Speaker 2>for hell.

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<v Speaker 1>Well i do have a recommendation for that i actually

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<v Speaker 1>bought well first it's not leather it's like pvc yeah

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<v Speaker 1>so um i actually bought from this Italian brand that

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<v Speaker 1>they like make everything custom, like a PVC black sort

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<v Speaker 1>of like bustier tank top. And it was only a

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<v Speaker 1>hundred bucks. So I do feel like, and I'm pretty

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<v Speaker 1>sure they carry bottoms as well. I will send you

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<v Speaker 1>the link. You could absolutely make it happen. And yeah, absolutely.

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<v Speaker 1>If you're going to do a Trinity Halloween costume, it

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<v Speaker 1>does need to be something custom.

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<v Speaker 2>I would have to, I would feel like a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit of a poser. I think at my rewatch would

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<v Speaker 2>be necessary, but something else that the virgins don't know is,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think we will continue to brainstorm on Halloween

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<v Speaker 2>costumes over the course of the next like month or two. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I have a whole list.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to know your list actually. Maybe it's too

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<v Speaker 2>early to talk about it, but well, I.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't want to, I don't want to reveal anything.

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<v Speaker 2>I will share with you privately, but I will say

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<v Speaker 2>to the virgins that, Rose and I are going to

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<v Speaker 2>Gothic Renaissance at 11am this weekend. And that may or

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<v Speaker 2>may not be for Halloween costume.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the things I love is that when you

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<v Speaker 1>texted me that, you said that you were going to

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<v Speaker 1>make me go to Gothic Renaissance, as if that's something

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<v Speaker 1>I would ever need to.

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<v Speaker 2>Be forced to do. Yeah, true. Oh, please.

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<v Speaker 1>And we will be making a little stop into Halloween

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<v Speaker 1>Adventure as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, absolutely. And also 11am, Rose's Preferred shopping hour.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes. Please.

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<v Speaker 2>When it opens?

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<v Speaker 1>I'll have been awake for six hours already.

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<v Speaker 2>Your sleep schedule is fucked.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I love it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. You're just like Dolly.

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<v Speaker 1>I watched two complete films this morning before I even

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<v Speaker 1>started doing any work.

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<v Speaker 2>What films?

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<v Speaker 1>Well... As we will be talking about later in this episode,

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<v Speaker 1>I saw the new Resident Evil movie this weekend, and

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<v Speaker 1>I have been watching some of the Resident Evil films

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<v Speaker 1>from the early 2000s.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, fierce.

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<v Speaker 1>So I watched the second one this morning around 5.30 a.m. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I can't wait to hear your recommendation. I kind of

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<v Speaker 1>want to dig into the catalog. Well... We'll talk about it.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll talk about it. But yeah, I'm really loving my

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<v Speaker 1>mornings of having... so much time and it being so

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<v Speaker 1>quiet and still and no one's doing anything it does

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<v Speaker 1>mean though that my day needs to be over around

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<v Speaker 1>like 3 30 p.m or i or i need a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of coffee and then i'm i'm in bed by

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<v Speaker 1>9 30 at the latest and like i can't wait

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<v Speaker 1>to go to sleep but I've been falling asleep so easily.

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<v Speaker 1>This has been amazing for my insomnia. I'm actually considering

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<v Speaker 1>just not smoking weed anymore.

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<v Speaker 2>Honestly, look, going to bed at 930 and waking up

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<v Speaker 2>at like five is very like Dolly Parton slash genius hours.

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<v Speaker 2>Like this is like all of the kind of like

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<v Speaker 2>geniuses and like kind of Mozart-y kind of like you know,

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<v Speaker 2>savants that we talk about, they all, you know, had

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<v Speaker 2>these hours, baby.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I prefer the term genius.

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<v Speaker 2>Right. Savant is also, isn't that like offensive now or something?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, the term idiot savant is, I believe.

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<v Speaker 2>I've never heard that term before. That one, a movie

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<v Speaker 2>used it recently.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't remember. Yeah, it is a derogatory term. So

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<v Speaker 1>sorry if saying it offended anyone, but it is, I think,

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<v Speaker 1>think supposed to mean someone who is generally very stupid

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<v Speaker 1>or has some kind of development developmental disability but oh

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<v Speaker 1>my god a lot about one specific thing or really

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<v Speaker 1>good at one.

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<v Speaker 2>Specific thing I also have to I'm just googling the

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<v Speaker 2>word savant for the first time in my life and

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<v Speaker 2>I hadn't I've been using this word for so long

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<v Speaker 2>and I had no idea that you don't even need

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<v Speaker 2>the word like idiot for it to be a kind

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<v Speaker 2>of slur like The word savant literally implies that it's

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<v Speaker 2>a skill set in tandem with a developmental disability.

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<v Speaker 1>Yikes. That's crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't believe I did not know that.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what? We are we are uh providing people

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<v Speaker 1>with new slurs not to use i thought i thought

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<v Speaker 1>it was about this podcast is so informational i thought.

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<v Speaker 2>It was about someone who is young and a genius

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<v Speaker 2>or like a prescient genius uh an unexpected well that

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<v Speaker 2>would be a prodigy yes prodigy that's the word thank

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<v Speaker 2>you anyways we can move on from that because rose

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<v Speaker 2>do you know what we have on our docket today.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh, what?

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<v Speaker 2>We have breaking news. Rose.

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<v Speaker 1>A new segment, a new sec, new, new segment alert. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>named by one. Rose. Rose. Breaking news. I think it's

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<v Speaker 1>pretty genius.

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<v Speaker 2>It is genius because it's literally a version of what

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<v Speaker 2>we already do, which is a curation of the hottest

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<v Speaker 2>topics at the intersection of nerds, perversion, and transsexualism. Um,

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe like sometimes we'll like talk about like things that

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<v Speaker 2>are happening on the internet, new stuff we're listening to,

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<v Speaker 2>new stuff we saw, but like we're not spending a

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<v Speaker 2>ton of time on it. This is breaking news.

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<v Speaker 1>I do feel like now that I'm kind of in

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<v Speaker 1>my editing bag, having edited literally like one thing into

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<v Speaker 1>our Dolly, Tim Curry deep dive, I kind of want

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<v Speaker 1>to become one of those podcasts where they have like

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<v Speaker 1>sound effects for the different segments. I'm not promising.

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<v Speaker 2>Anything, but I feel like that could be a long-term

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<v Speaker 2>goal is like having like a soundboard. I would love.

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<v Speaker 1>A la Nympho Wars. I don't know about soundboard, but

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<v Speaker 1>I think theme jingles for the different segments would be nice.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, I would love a jingle. I mean, I like soundboards.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, Nympho Wars didn't invent the soundboard. But it's like.

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<v Speaker 1>So much work in the moment and I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>how we would use it. recording remotely, but it's something

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<v Speaker 1>that I could.

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<v Speaker 2>It has to be in person.

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<v Speaker 1>It's something that I can very easily do in post.

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<v Speaker 1>I also think we do need an intro song at

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<v Speaker 1>the beginning of the podcast to sort of... And I

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<v Speaker 1>have almost put one in, but I know it's the

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<v Speaker 1>kind of thing where if I put one in without

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<v Speaker 1>you approving it, it will be an issue.

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<v Speaker 2>I would need to approve it. You know how I...

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<v Speaker 2>I know how you are. Not approve. Like, we like

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<v Speaker 2>to find an intersection of what we like. And that

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<v Speaker 2>is like, sometimes it's hard and sometimes it's really easy.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it's also, the thing is, I'm usually the one

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<v Speaker 1>who's like, yeah, this is fine. And you're like, no, no, no.

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<v Speaker 1>We need to find the absolute perfect thing that we

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<v Speaker 1>both agree on.

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<v Speaker 2>For The Virgins, our first theme song was kind of that.

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<v Speaker 2>But like Rose did, there were a few different things

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<v Speaker 2>that Phoebe and Rose were kind of like peeling through.

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<v Speaker 2>And they were like, oh, this sounds great. Oh, I

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<v Speaker 2>love this. And I really was not latching on to anything.

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<v Speaker 2>But ultimately, we found something. And I remember you saying,

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<v Speaker 2>what if it sounded like this? And you sent a

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<v Speaker 2>song through. And I was like, yes, and also this.

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<v Speaker 2>And you were like, I love that. And then we

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<v Speaker 2>found something kind of quickly after that when we found

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<v Speaker 2>our references, if I remember correctly. But this is breaking news. Rose, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>do you know who Amanda Lear is?

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<v Speaker 1>I have no idea.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>But you're about to tell me.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a little shocked because she does seem like a

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<v Speaker 2>diva that you would deeply care about. I mean, she's French.

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<v Speaker 2>She is a smoky kind of like pop star, but

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<v Speaker 2>like a under the radar kind of French pop star.

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<v Speaker 2>And she's also a stealth trans woman, allegedly. And so

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<v Speaker 2>she's someone who's like in the culture in a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of ways and I think has probably reached her apex

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<v Speaker 2>of cultural recognition at this very moment because she has

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<v Speaker 2>accused Miley Cyrus of plagiarism. Have you seen at least

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<v Speaker 2>those tweets?

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<v Speaker 1>Because this is all over Twitter. Did Amanda Lear write

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<v Speaker 1>See You Again? No.

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<v Speaker 2>So on Miley's extremely mid-album album, Called Bass Persuasions. Oh, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Bass Persuades.

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<v Speaker 1>I haven't even listened.

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<v Speaker 2>Bass Persuades. What a weird album title. Bass Persuasions, I think,

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<v Speaker 2>would have been a better title. Why can't Miley just

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<v Speaker 2>make better music? She hasn't really released something that's captured

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<v Speaker 2>our true, true, true imagination. Since Plastic Hearts.

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<v Speaker 1>This is her last good album to me.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think, yeah, I did not understand the flowers

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<v Speaker 2>of it all. I did, I think Plastic Hearts and

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<v Speaker 2>the subsequent live album slash live concert that she did

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<v Speaker 2>where she curated a bunch of her hits and covers

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<v Speaker 2>from fans and reinterpreted them as like rock anthem. She

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<v Speaker 2>did like a full rock concert, like a pure rock

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<v Speaker 2>rendition of each song. That to me was the last

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<v Speaker 2>great cultural contribution of Miley Cyrus that was in 2022.

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<v Speaker 1>Even the Hannah Montana anniversary thing was kind of a flop, right?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if it was a flop in terms

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<v Speaker 2>of the numbers, but I definitely didn't hear.

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<v Speaker 1>Anyone talk about it. It didn't have any cultural impact.

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<v Speaker 1>And that is more important. That, to me, is how

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<v Speaker 1>I identify a flop. I'm not really a by-the-numbers girl.

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<v Speaker 1>And if the virgins don't remember, we love Miley on

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<v Speaker 1>this podcast. We love Miley. We love Miley. And we

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<v Speaker 1>want better for her because she has such an amazing

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<v Speaker 1>instrument and she is... so compelling but she seems to

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<v Speaker 1>be addicted to releasing mid music i would.

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<v Speaker 2>Love to know what she could do on a not

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<v Speaker 2>live pure rock album i think that she is such

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<v Speaker 2>a talented that's what plastic hearts was yes exactly exactly

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<v Speaker 2>like i want her to go back to that and

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<v Speaker 2>i think that i I think Miley's one of the

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<v Speaker 2>greatest rock vocalists of this generation and that no one's,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think if, if, if somebody in rock music

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<v Speaker 2>criticism were to hear that they might like keel over

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<v Speaker 2>and die. But I actually do think that it's it's

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<v Speaker 2>Miley's body of work in rock music is not super impressive,

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<v Speaker 2>but her vocal stylings are so singular to me. She

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<v Speaker 2>has a voice that sounds like an espresso machine and,

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<v Speaker 2>You know what I mean?

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<v Speaker 1>That is incredibly apt.

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<v Speaker 2>It's true. She just sounds like a kind of... You

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<v Speaker 2>know what I mean? Yeah, she's growly.

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<v Speaker 1>She sounds trans.

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<v Speaker 2>So on Miley's latest album that I did not listen to,

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<v Speaker 2>Bass Persuades, she has a song called Red Lights. And

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<v Speaker 2>it is a song that... It might be a single

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<v Speaker 2>because it has higher stream... It has slightly higher... No,

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<v Speaker 2>it's not a single, but it has some slightly higher

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<v Speaker 2>streaming numbers. Amanda Lear, this French pop star I was

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<v Speaker 2>talking about, who I'll give a little background on, has

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<v Speaker 2>accused her of plagiarizing her song, The Sphinx, probably her

0:16:44.260 --> 0:16:50.020
<v Speaker 2>greatest known song, The Sphinx, in this track, in Miley's track,

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<v Speaker 2>Red Lights. And if you were to listen to Miley's

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<v Speaker 2>Red Lights next to Amanda Lear's The Sphinx, girl, they

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<v Speaker 2>are the same chord progression. Like, indisputably, like, you hear that.

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<v Speaker 1>It's giving separated at birth.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and Miley, when it comes to her prowess as

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<v Speaker 2>a songwriter, I actually don't know if she is credited

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<v Speaker 2>on every single album she's ever written. I kind of

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<v Speaker 2>want to know.

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<v Speaker 1>We certainly don't think of her culturally as someone who

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<v Speaker 1>writes their own music. And that might be a misogyny

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<v Speaker 1>or a fallacy or something, but she doesn't give singer

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<v Speaker 1>songwriter yeah no she gives she gives a bunch of

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<v Speaker 1>people wrote on this album and i sang the songs

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<v Speaker 1>and so okay and so i'm i'm finding yes like

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<v Speaker 1>miley was a songwriter on a lot of these songs

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<v Speaker 1>however i i agree with what you're saying she's not

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<v Speaker 1>the songwriter diva and i'm kind of wondering if somebody

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<v Speaker 1>on her team like stole something and didn't say anything

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<v Speaker 1>because you know I know this is like a really

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<v Speaker 1>kind of out-of-pocket comparison, but I'm thinking about when Ru did, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Believe it's Smile on the.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so RuPaul did a song that is like a

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<v Speaker 2>true rip of Charlie's anthems. Have you ever heard the

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<v Speaker 2>side-by-side for that?

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<v Speaker 1>No.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Ru has a song called Smile, and it sounds

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<v Speaker 2>so completely and totally like Charli XCX's anthems. If you

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<v Speaker 2>listen to them side by side, it's actually a much

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<v Speaker 2>more nasty rip than what we're looking at between the

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<v Speaker 2>Amanda Lear and Miley Cyrus of it all accusations. But

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<v Speaker 2>Miley has since responded via Instagram comment on Amanda Lear's

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<v Speaker 2>post of the accusation. She commented on the accusation and

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<v Speaker 2>she just said, who are you anyways? Stream-based persuades.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, I'm Team Miley. Sorry, that's a sickening way to

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<v Speaker 1>respond to that.

0:19:18.670 --> 0:19:22.900
<v Speaker 2>It kind of is. And here's the thing. Here's something

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<v Speaker 2>you need to know about Mandela Lear and then we

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<v Speaker 2>can move on from this bricking news. She was in

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<v Speaker 2>the 1960s. She became a kind of muse in the

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<v Speaker 2>French and Spanish art scene. So she was a model

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<v Speaker 2>for Paco Rabanne. And then she met Salvador Dali. I'm like,

0:19:45.990 --> 0:19:49.120
<v Speaker 2>is Salvador Dali a chaser? But like they were like

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<v Speaker 2>kind of basically closest friends for two decades. And she

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<v Speaker 2>became a bit kind of one of his muses. And

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<v Speaker 2>there are early in her career when she was like

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<v Speaker 2>releasing music, she says in multiple interviews, I'm biologically a man.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like spiritually a woman. She confirms in many early

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<v Speaker 2>interviews that she is transgender. But the thing is, if

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<v Speaker 2>you were to watch one of these interviews where she's

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<v Speaker 2>talking about herself as trans or talking about her almost genitalia,

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<v Speaker 2>because it is referenced at least in one interview, it

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<v Speaker 2>reminds you a little bit of the Gaga hermaphrodite scandal.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you remember that?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, of course.

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<v Speaker 2>And so later in her life, and this is something

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<v Speaker 2>that you can learn more, but if you're curious about

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<v Speaker 2>Amanda Lear, I think this whole like Amanda Lear, Miley accusation,

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<v Speaker 2>like the whole gist of it is just like nothing

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<v Speaker 2>really matters. Just go and Google Amanda Lear because she

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<v Speaker 2>is kind of fierce on her own right. And you

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<v Speaker 2>should watch this documentary by Zachary Drucker. It is an

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<v Speaker 2>Amanda Lear documentary called Enigma.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay. so Lady Gaga stole Enigma from her.

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<v Speaker 2>This came out after it's called Enigma and she's asked

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<v Speaker 2>later in her life many times like are you trans

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<v Speaker 2>and she's like no all the time anytime she's asked

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<v Speaker 2>later in life she's like and she says in these

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<v Speaker 2>interviews oh I did that as a publicity stance like

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<v Speaker 2>that was something I did to get press that's not

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<v Speaker 2>true Amanda Lear has also posed nude for Playboy like

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<v Speaker 2>She has, like, really, you know, kind of gone the

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<v Speaker 2>other way and been like, yeah, I have a really

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<v Speaker 2>deep voice, but, like, I just kind of use that

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<v Speaker 2>to my advantage.

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<v Speaker 1>Imagine if the girls these days were lying about being

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<v Speaker 1>trans for, like, cultural cachet.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it feels... If you watch the interview, it feels... Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll say this is all allegedly, allegedly, allegedly. But if

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<v Speaker 2>you watch the interview in this Amanda Lear documentary, it

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<v Speaker 2>feels pretty clear to me that she... is a stealth

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<v Speaker 2>trans woman.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay. So she put the brick in breaking news.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. And I think that there are some... There are varying...

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<v Speaker 2>She has a lot of conflicting stories, a lot of

0:22:20.869 --> 0:22:29.379
<v Speaker 2>conflicting claims about her gender identity, her relationship with Dali.

0:22:29.470 --> 0:22:33.260
<v Speaker 2>Some even claim that Dali was the one who started

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<v Speaker 2>the rumor that she was transgender. All these different things.

0:22:37.170 --> 0:22:41.460
<v Speaker 1>Maybe he just painted her pussy in a really surrealistic

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<v Speaker 1>way where it looked like a dick. Right.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. That's actually it. I honestly need to read more

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<v Speaker 2>about Amanda X Salvador Dali. But the gist is, virgins,

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<v Speaker 2>go Google Amanda Lear. Listen to Amanda Lear's The Sphinx.

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<v Speaker 2>I do think it's bomb. We have another kind of

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<v Speaker 2>thing that we want you to listen to. Actually, Rose

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<v Speaker 2>just texted it to me right ahead of this record.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Perfume Genius. Definitely my favorite gay pop star.

0:23:12.420 --> 0:23:13.520
<v Speaker 2>Sorry, Troye Sivan.

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<v Speaker 1>Do love Party. Mostly the video rather than the song.

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<v Speaker 1>But Perfume Genius just released a new song called Natural High.

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<v Speaker 1>And I fucking love it. It's so droney. It's like

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<v Speaker 1>a It's a five minute and 45 second song. It's

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<v Speaker 1>droney for the first like three minutes and then it

0:23:39.540 --> 0:23:44.920
<v Speaker 1>gets very dancey. It's the most should be in a

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<v Speaker 1>Twin Peaks edit song I've ever heard. It's also kind

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<v Speaker 1>of like Backroom's core and it has steel drums on it.

0:23:53.359 --> 0:23:56.830
<v Speaker 1>And I am a huge advocate for more steel drums

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<v Speaker 1>in pop music.

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<v Speaker 2>Babes, you know what steel drums always make me feel,

0:24:01.290 --> 0:24:07.720
<v Speaker 2>always makes me think about? What? How do you know

0:24:07.800 --> 0:24:08.880
<v Speaker 2>that you love her?

0:24:09.460 --> 0:24:14.270
<v Speaker 1>How do you show her you love her? Okay, Enchanted

0:24:14.330 --> 0:24:15.790
<v Speaker 1>rewatch happening soon.

0:24:15.869 --> 0:24:20.070
<v Speaker 2>Yes, you can see Enchanted's influence on Mike Hadrius when

0:24:20.090 --> 0:24:24.190
<v Speaker 2>you listen to Natural High. I also love this song

0:24:24.310 --> 0:24:28.570
<v Speaker 2>as prompted by Rose Damu. Perfume Genius is definitely one

0:24:28.609 --> 0:24:31.320
<v Speaker 2>of the artists of my life. one of the artists

0:24:31.440 --> 0:24:35.540
<v Speaker 2>that really cultivated my sense of personhood when I was

0:24:36.040 --> 0:24:39.800
<v Speaker 2>in college, on Tumblr, just barely out of the closet,

0:24:40.020 --> 0:24:44.830
<v Speaker 2>feeling sad, experiencing my first heartbreak, my first gay heartbreak.

0:24:45.550 --> 0:24:50.189
<v Speaker 2>Perfume Genius is the music of first gay heartbreak. And

0:24:50.210 --> 0:24:53.670
<v Speaker 2>I think the first gay heartbreak is very specific because

0:24:54.859 --> 0:24:58.699
<v Speaker 2>we idolize and glorify this concept of coming out and

0:24:58.740 --> 0:25:00.869
<v Speaker 2>this concept of exiting the closet and being like, oh,

0:25:00.980 --> 0:25:03.160
<v Speaker 2>everything is going to be free. You're on brighter horizons.

0:25:03.200 --> 0:25:07.280
<v Speaker 2>The Emerald City is ahead of you. You're finally liberated

0:25:07.460 --> 0:25:11.320
<v Speaker 2>and you're in some sort of paradise in being out

0:25:11.400 --> 0:25:14.280
<v Speaker 2>and gay on the other side. And then you experience

0:25:14.300 --> 0:25:16.940
<v Speaker 2>your first gay heartbreak and you're like, oh, right, being

0:25:16.960 --> 0:25:21.150
<v Speaker 2>gay is still a part of the human experience, which

0:25:21.210 --> 0:25:25.870
<v Speaker 2>is often something that feels really bad. And even gay

0:25:25.910 --> 0:25:30.850
<v Speaker 2>people can be bad. Gay people are often bad. I

0:25:30.869 --> 0:25:33.390
<v Speaker 2>don't know if that's as true as Gen Z growing

0:25:33.450 --> 0:25:36.060
<v Speaker 2>up with a much more robust access to the internet

0:25:36.119 --> 0:25:41.400
<v Speaker 2>and different representations of gay people. But my generation, I

0:25:41.440 --> 0:25:44.240
<v Speaker 2>think it was a lot more difficult to imagine gay

0:25:44.280 --> 0:25:47.540
<v Speaker 2>people as also being evil and villains when you were

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<v Speaker 2>first coming out. Sorry, this is a really roundabout way

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<v Speaker 2>to say that Perfume Genius is a legend. Mike Hadrius, Fab.

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<v Speaker 2>We need more songs that are six minutes long in

0:26:00.210 --> 0:26:03.929
<v Speaker 2>the culture. And there's something- The only people who are

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<v Speaker 2>doing it are him and Ethel Kane.

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<v Speaker 1>Truly. Truly. I mean, Madonna's- Madonna. And occasionally Florence Welch.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. We need the cowards to vie away from the

0:26:19.820 --> 0:26:24.740
<v Speaker 2>Spotify algorithm and to give us songs that progress- and

0:26:24.760 --> 0:26:28.179
<v Speaker 2>this song fucking does, something else about the kind of

0:26:28.260 --> 0:26:31.119
<v Speaker 2>droney quality. This might be a little bit of a

0:26:31.200 --> 0:26:36.330
<v Speaker 2>crazy comparison, but it reminded me a bit of, like, OK, Lou. Yeah,

0:26:37.190 --> 0:26:41.090
<v Speaker 2>I can hear that. And then behind that reminded me

0:26:41.190 --> 0:26:44.190
<v Speaker 2>a bit of, like, have you ever listened to the

0:26:44.890 --> 0:26:50.149
<v Speaker 2>composer David Weiss's, like, tracks for, like, the original Donkey

0:26:50.190 --> 0:26:51.070
<v Speaker 2>Kong video games?

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<v Speaker 1>I have not, no.

0:26:52.369 --> 0:26:53.710
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to send them to you.

0:26:53.850 --> 0:26:54.149
<v Speaker 1>Please do.

0:26:54.890 --> 0:26:56.649
<v Speaker 2>One of them, I think if you listen to a

0:26:56.770 --> 0:27:02.429
<v Speaker 2>song called aquatic ambience, you'll kind of like hear it

0:27:02.450 --> 0:27:04.369
<v Speaker 2>a little bit, but I think it's, it has a

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<v Speaker 2>little less to do with this specific perfume genius song

0:27:07.390 --> 0:27:10.169
<v Speaker 2>and a little more to do with like this overarching

0:27:10.350 --> 0:27:15.730
<v Speaker 2>trend of like drone electronica.

0:27:16.250 --> 0:27:21.170
<v Speaker 1>I forgot how much you love Mario and its associated properties.

0:27:21.280 --> 0:27:24.940
<v Speaker 1>When we're, We might need to go to Epic Universe

0:27:25.000 --> 0:27:27.060
<v Speaker 1>when we're in Orlando next month so that you can

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<v Speaker 1>go to the Mario World.

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<v Speaker 2>If David Weiss' compositions are in that, absolutely.

0:27:31.900 --> 0:27:34.400
<v Speaker 1>I mean, there's a whole Donkey Kong ride.

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<v Speaker 2>Babes, we're going. Donkey Kong is the hottest Nintendo character. Period. Like,

0:27:42.710 --> 0:27:44.970
<v Speaker 2>he is so, like, fuckable.

0:27:45.310 --> 0:27:46.030
<v Speaker 1>I like Bowser.

0:27:47.080 --> 0:27:48.679
<v Speaker 2>Bowser is so hot, obviously.

0:27:48.700 --> 0:27:49.120
<v Speaker 1>So hot.

0:27:49.140 --> 0:27:50.040
<v Speaker 2>To me, Donkey Kong is the hottest.

0:27:50.060 --> 0:27:54.160
<v Speaker 1>I send you a lot of Bowser X Luigi porn.

0:27:54.330 --> 0:27:56.740
<v Speaker 2>What's the Donkey Kong porn giving? Is it good?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. The video I sent you earlier of

0:28:02.810 --> 0:28:05.270
<v Speaker 1>Batman getting dicked down, I have been watching on a

0:28:05.330 --> 0:28:06.850
<v Speaker 1>loop since 5 a.m.

0:28:07.230 --> 0:28:09.670
<v Speaker 2>It's so good. Batman porn.

0:28:09.690 --> 0:28:15.030
<v Speaker 1>Batman is... So we will be doing a Batman deep dive.

0:28:15.109 --> 0:28:17.530
<v Speaker 1>And as I think I mentioned, like my, my kind

0:28:17.570 --> 0:28:20.770
<v Speaker 1>of recent obsession with Batman was very much spurred on

0:28:20.950 --> 0:28:25.609
<v Speaker 1>by getting into super bat, which is Batman X Superman

0:28:25.770 --> 0:28:30.929
<v Speaker 1>fan fiction. And I only will read fanfic where Batman

0:28:30.990 --> 0:28:32.930
<v Speaker 1>is the bottom because it's just correct.

0:28:33.470 --> 0:28:36.970
<v Speaker 2>Our upcoming patron episode has to dive into the porn.

0:28:37.010 --> 0:28:38.820
<v Speaker 2>I think you should assign some of the porn to me.

0:28:38.840 --> 0:28:43.280
<v Speaker 1>I will. And I'm also going to, We want to

0:28:43.360 --> 0:28:47.070
<v Speaker 1>run through some other stuff we've been consuming recently that

0:28:47.090 --> 0:28:51.230
<v Speaker 1>we like, and I have some Batman recommendations. But first,

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<v Speaker 1>I want to hear about Bowen in O'Mary, which you

0:28:56.360 --> 0:28:57.880
<v Speaker 1>saw his first performance last week.

0:28:58.380 --> 0:29:02.340
<v Speaker 2>Okay. We talk about O'Mary on this podcast probably too much,

0:29:03.160 --> 0:29:03.900
<v Speaker 2>but it is.

0:29:03.920 --> 0:29:07.320
<v Speaker 1>Well, we're contractually obligated as a queer podcast.

0:29:07.360 --> 0:29:10.180
<v Speaker 2>Yes, Cole Escola is actually in the corner right now

0:29:10.330 --> 0:29:13.410
<v Speaker 2>holding a gun to my head. No, I'm just kidding.

0:29:13.550 --> 0:29:14.870
<v Speaker 2>We don't have to do that in order for this

0:29:14.890 --> 0:29:17.610
<v Speaker 2>to be promoted. It's literally the greatest contribution to the

0:29:17.630 --> 0:29:21.550
<v Speaker 2>Broadway world in decades, in my opinion. It's definitely... Watching

0:29:21.570 --> 0:29:23.260
<v Speaker 2>the very first O'Mary, I think I've already said it,

0:29:23.270 --> 0:29:27.370
<v Speaker 2>but I'll say it again. The number one... theatrical experience

0:29:27.390 --> 0:29:31.150
<v Speaker 2>I've ever had, probably. Like, I just, like, just a

0:29:31.210 --> 0:29:39.130
<v Speaker 2>truly sublime relationship to the material that is O'Mary. And

0:29:39.170 --> 0:29:42.350
<v Speaker 2>if you don't live in New York, lucky for you,

0:29:42.370 --> 0:29:46.840
<v Speaker 2>O'Mary is traveling all across the country starring Alaska Thunderfuck.

0:29:47.430 --> 0:29:51.670
<v Speaker 2>And it's also coming to HBO, a pro shot of,

0:29:51.930 --> 0:29:53.630
<v Speaker 2>I believe, the full original cast.

0:29:53.670 --> 0:29:55.250
<v Speaker 1>I mean, at least Cole.

0:29:55.310 --> 0:29:58.910
<v Speaker 2>Cole. Yeah, for sure. I'm so excited for that. That

0:29:58.950 --> 0:30:00.020
<v Speaker 2>was such a surprise.

0:30:00.780 --> 0:30:03.120
<v Speaker 1>And also something I believe I predicted like.

0:30:03.000 --> 0:30:06.340
<v Speaker 2>A year ago. Right. I mean, I remember saying on

0:30:06.360 --> 0:30:10.739
<v Speaker 2>the podcast, like, it's probably in development, you know, as

0:30:10.780 --> 0:30:13.140
<v Speaker 2>a movie, but actually like a pro shot, I think

0:30:13.160 --> 0:30:15.940
<v Speaker 2>makes a lot more sense because it is truly a state.

0:30:16.060 --> 0:30:18.950
<v Speaker 2>It's It lives on the stage. And I think a

0:30:19.010 --> 0:30:22.950
<v Speaker 2>lot of it doesn't work without the stage itself and

0:30:22.990 --> 0:30:27.600
<v Speaker 2>the audience. But yeah, so Bowen Yang debuted as O'Mary.

0:30:28.190 --> 0:30:30.940
<v Speaker 2>This is the third time I've seen O'Mary. How many

0:30:30.960 --> 0:30:33.760
<v Speaker 2>times have you seen O'Mary? Twice. Okay.

0:30:34.240 --> 0:30:36.280
<v Speaker 1>I saw Cole and Jinx.

0:30:36.980 --> 0:30:40.530
<v Speaker 2>I saw Cole and Jinx as well. Bowen will be

0:30:40.590 --> 0:30:42.310
<v Speaker 2>your third. I know you'll go and see him.

0:30:43.390 --> 0:30:45.690
<v Speaker 1>I would like to, but I don't want to pay

0:30:45.730 --> 0:30:46.120
<v Speaker 1>for it.

0:30:46.270 --> 0:30:48.670
<v Speaker 2>You'll get press tickets. Just wait for them to be

0:30:48.710 --> 0:30:50.770
<v Speaker 2>on for a little bit. You'll get some press tickets.

0:30:50.890 --> 0:30:52.100
<v Speaker 1>How long is he in it for?

0:30:52.120 --> 0:30:55.640
<v Speaker 2>I don't remember. I believe they've already extended. I think

0:30:55.660 --> 0:31:00.480
<v Speaker 2>they had to make that decision pretty early. But at

0:31:00.760 --> 0:31:07.530
<v Speaker 2>least through January. Oh, well, I'm seeing 12-week limited engagement.

0:31:07.850 --> 0:31:13.010
<v Speaker 2>I'm seeing December 6th. Um, I'm seeing December 6th. I've

0:31:13.030 --> 0:31:17.050
<v Speaker 2>been told through other sources that it might go through January.

0:31:17.210 --> 0:31:22.140
<v Speaker 2>We'll see. Oh, Merry Christmas. Um, here, if you've never

0:31:22.180 --> 0:31:24.160
<v Speaker 2>seen Oh Mary, here's something that I can say. It

0:31:25.040 --> 0:31:29.820
<v Speaker 2>is that any actor that takes up the mantle of

0:31:29.860 --> 0:31:32.980
<v Speaker 2>Mary ultimately is going to inject their kind of comedic

0:31:33.050 --> 0:31:39.530
<v Speaker 2>style sensibility into the play itself. But ultimate, but ultimately it's,

0:31:40.040 --> 0:31:44.860
<v Speaker 2>they are resting on a plinth of Cola Scola. Of course.

0:31:45.280 --> 0:31:49.180
<v Speaker 2>Cola Scola is the foundation on which the rest of

0:31:49.600 --> 0:31:53.520
<v Speaker 2>this rests because it is a very specific kind of

0:31:53.560 --> 0:32:03.340
<v Speaker 2>like dark, kind of wackadoodle, violent, intense, and also at

0:32:03.380 --> 0:32:08.260
<v Speaker 2>times slapstick slash old timey, like referential to an era

0:32:08.580 --> 0:32:12.150
<v Speaker 2>of just after silent films.

0:32:12.370 --> 0:32:12.870
<v Speaker 1>Vaudeville.

0:32:13.390 --> 0:32:25.520
<v Speaker 2>It's vaudevillian. And seeing Jinx perform as Mary, which I think,

0:32:25.760 --> 0:32:30.640
<v Speaker 2>if I'm going to be totally real, did not have

0:32:30.660 --> 0:32:35.959
<v Speaker 2>the restraint or control that I would like in a

0:32:36.100 --> 0:32:41.970
<v Speaker 2>kind of Broadway movie. at times, even though I'm a

0:32:42.090 --> 0:32:45.110
<v Speaker 2>number one Jinx fan. I love Jinx Monsoon. She is

0:32:45.150 --> 0:32:47.190
<v Speaker 2>like one of the top three, top five favorite drag

0:32:47.210 --> 0:32:49.930
<v Speaker 2>artists of all time for me. So I'm a stan,

0:32:50.150 --> 0:32:52.620
<v Speaker 2>and I'm saying that as a stan. I was watching

0:32:52.640 --> 0:32:54.280
<v Speaker 2>the show, and I was like, well, I can tell

0:32:54.300 --> 0:32:56.380
<v Speaker 2>that you're high on stage, first of all. And second

0:32:56.400 --> 0:33:00.140
<v Speaker 2>of all, yeah, I think sometimes I was like, I

0:33:00.160 --> 0:33:02.460
<v Speaker 2>feel like I'm watching a Snatch game, and I actually

0:33:02.660 --> 0:33:04.740
<v Speaker 2>want to be watching Broadway. You know what I mean?

0:33:05.420 --> 0:33:08.420
<v Speaker 1>I felt differently, but I can hear where you're coming from.

0:33:09.830 --> 0:33:18.070
<v Speaker 2>Bowen is an extremely precise comedian. He is so good

0:33:18.570 --> 0:33:25.320
<v Speaker 2>at basically raking through the material with a fine-tooth comb

0:33:26.500 --> 0:33:30.540
<v Speaker 2>and finding every single nook and cranny that he can

0:33:30.660 --> 0:33:35.040
<v Speaker 2>inject a punchline or an ism or an aside into.

0:33:35.060 --> 0:33:41.800
<v Speaker 2>The comedic density... that Bowen Yang has injected into O'Meary,

0:33:41.880 --> 0:33:47.040
<v Speaker 2>which is shocking because it is already a bajillion laughs

0:33:47.100 --> 0:33:51.080
<v Speaker 2>per minute show. I was like, oh my God, Bowen

0:33:51.360 --> 0:33:56.070
<v Speaker 2>is such a fucking kind of like master at what

0:33:56.090 --> 0:34:00.489
<v Speaker 2>he does. You can just see everything that SNL kind

0:34:00.530 --> 0:34:05.510
<v Speaker 2>of trains you into put into this performance. He's so

0:34:06.110 --> 0:34:13.259
<v Speaker 2>at ease. He's so... untethered he's such a good screamer

0:34:13.280 --> 0:34:20.700
<v Speaker 2>the screaming made me laugh so frequently and he does

0:34:21.000 --> 0:34:25.420
<v Speaker 2>he adds new jokes one of which is at the

0:34:25.600 --> 0:34:27.040
<v Speaker 2>end and I won't spoil it for you because I

0:34:27.060 --> 0:34:28.640
<v Speaker 2>think you're going to see it Rose but we will

0:34:28.680 --> 0:34:33.120
<v Speaker 2>discuss there's a joke in the final moment of the

0:34:33.160 --> 0:34:36.780
<v Speaker 2>show that is so fucking funny that the audience almost

0:34:37.020 --> 0:34:40.980
<v Speaker 2>stood up and clapped. He was so good. Love our

0:34:41.000 --> 0:34:45.300
<v Speaker 2>friend Bowen. Go see him in O'Mary. Right fucking meow.

0:34:46.660 --> 0:34:50.710
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, I think about O'Mary. If I were to

0:34:50.750 --> 0:34:53.550
<v Speaker 2>watch every single O'Mary performance, I think there are just

0:34:53.650 --> 0:34:56.730
<v Speaker 2>layers of things that are being built on top of

0:34:57.010 --> 0:35:01.469
<v Speaker 2>each other based on every actor that came after and before. O'Mary,

0:35:01.489 --> 0:35:05.580
<v Speaker 2>I think, is sort of becoming this... really cool kind

0:35:05.600 --> 0:35:10.310
<v Speaker 2>of like parfait. It's like a sedimentary rock of divas

0:35:10.370 --> 0:35:12.069
<v Speaker 2>that are like, does that make sense? Like that are

0:35:12.090 --> 0:35:14.669
<v Speaker 2>like kind of like there's a, there's a base layer

0:35:14.710 --> 0:35:17.969
<v Speaker 2>of coal and that, and then like Titus came in

0:35:17.989 --> 0:35:19.989
<v Speaker 2>and like added a little, you know, a few little

0:35:20.050 --> 0:35:24.049
<v Speaker 2>rocks and then like, you know, Jane Krakowski or like Jim, Jim,

0:35:24.130 --> 0:35:27.410
<v Speaker 2>John Cameron, James, John Cameron Mitchell comes in and adds

0:35:27.430 --> 0:35:29.370
<v Speaker 2>like a layer. And I think we're like, we're getting

0:35:29.390 --> 0:35:34.290
<v Speaker 2>like a really thick layer of Bowen. being added to

0:35:34.330 --> 0:35:35.210
<v Speaker 2>the show right now.

0:35:35.110 --> 0:35:37.610
<v Speaker 1>Love that i do think the rock and the parfait

0:35:37.670 --> 0:35:39.410
<v Speaker 1>is a mixed metaphor but i get.

0:35:39.310 --> 0:35:41.350
<v Speaker 2>What you're saying i said parfait and then i switched

0:35:41.390 --> 0:35:43.910
<v Speaker 2>to rock i think parfait sounds a bit more delicious

0:35:43.950 --> 0:35:46.060
<v Speaker 2>a bit more campy maybe i should have stuck with

0:35:46.100 --> 0:35:50.020
<v Speaker 2>parfait yeah so like i just like being able to

0:35:50.080 --> 0:35:52.819
<v Speaker 2>say was the yogurt coal was the yogurt and then

0:35:52.860 --> 0:35:56.090
<v Speaker 2>we've got you know like preserves and fruit and whipped

0:35:56.170 --> 0:35:59.129
<v Speaker 2>cream and jane krakowski from what i understand was maybe

0:35:59.270 --> 0:36:03.480
<v Speaker 2>one chocolate chip Sorry, I shouldn't say that, actually. I

0:36:03.520 --> 0:36:09.900
<v Speaker 2>shouldn't disparage the show. But the Bowen layer is fucking delish.

0:36:10.239 --> 0:36:12.980
<v Speaker 2>And I'm so, so excited for you to see it.

0:36:14.080 --> 0:36:16.299
<v Speaker 1>I am so excited to see it if and when

0:36:16.340 --> 0:36:18.760
<v Speaker 1>I receive free tickets.

0:36:18.840 --> 0:36:20.759
<v Speaker 2>You have to email. I'll email for you.

0:36:20.920 --> 0:36:24.200
<v Speaker 1>Okay, great. Love that. I want to give some rapid-fire

0:36:24.420 --> 0:36:29.940
<v Speaker 1>recs of things I've been consuming recently. Please. So as

0:36:30.000 --> 0:36:33.460
<v Speaker 1>I said, I've been doing a whole comics journey. I

0:36:33.800 --> 0:36:38.840
<v Speaker 1>have been diving deep into the Batman canon, going through

0:36:38.920 --> 0:36:43.500
<v Speaker 1>what are sort of heralded as the best Batman runs,

0:36:43.660 --> 0:36:46.000
<v Speaker 1>and also the ones that are the most foundational to

0:36:46.060 --> 0:36:50.360
<v Speaker 1>his mythology. I started with Batman Year One by Frank Miller,

0:36:50.860 --> 0:36:53.940
<v Speaker 1>which is regarded as kind of like the best origin

0:36:54.000 --> 0:36:58.680
<v Speaker 1>story in comics. I really agree. You get It is

0:36:58.719 --> 0:37:03.330
<v Speaker 1>the basis for every Batman film which has done a

0:37:03.469 --> 0:37:07.069
<v Speaker 1>Bruce Wayne origin story. It all comes from Batman Year One.

0:37:08.070 --> 0:37:12.650
<v Speaker 1>Really loved that. I also read Batman the Man Who Laughs,

0:37:12.730 --> 0:37:15.390
<v Speaker 1>which is the introduction of the Joker, which I didn't

0:37:15.430 --> 0:37:18.330
<v Speaker 1>love quite as much, but was still really enjoyable. And

0:37:18.390 --> 0:37:24.899
<v Speaker 1>then DC-related, Joel Kim Booster, friend of us and friend

0:37:24.920 --> 0:37:29.040
<v Speaker 1>of the show, recommended... absolute wonder woman. So the, the

0:37:29.360 --> 0:37:33.299
<v Speaker 1>absolute franchise is something DC has done where they take

0:37:33.360 --> 0:37:37.660
<v Speaker 1>their classic heroes and then give them alternate origin stories.

0:37:38.140 --> 0:37:40.370
<v Speaker 1>I had never read any wonder woman. I've always found

0:37:40.410 --> 0:37:44.029
<v Speaker 1>her to be kind of lame. Um, and I think

0:37:44.070 --> 0:37:46.810
<v Speaker 1>like that is the point of this take on her.

0:37:46.870 --> 0:37:51.480
<v Speaker 1>So in this take, she is raised in hell by Cersei,

0:37:51.739 --> 0:37:55.500
<v Speaker 1>the witch who is an antagonist in the wonder woman

0:37:55.540 --> 0:37:59.969
<v Speaker 1>comics run. So this version of Diana is an Amazon,

0:38:00.030 --> 0:38:01.910
<v Speaker 1>but she's also a witch.

0:38:02.270 --> 0:38:04.570
<v Speaker 2>Wait, I didn't know Cersei was in the Wonder Woman canon.

0:38:04.610 --> 0:38:05.250
<v Speaker 2>That's sickening.

0:38:05.550 --> 0:38:11.839
<v Speaker 1>Yes. It's really good. I read the first two collected volumes,

0:38:12.020 --> 0:38:13.900
<v Speaker 1>and now I'm going to read the comics as they

0:38:13.940 --> 0:38:18.120
<v Speaker 1>come out. So big fan of that. For books recently,

0:38:18.140 --> 0:38:21.400
<v Speaker 1>I read Lullaby by Chuck Palahniuk, which is about a

0:38:21.540 --> 0:38:25.660
<v Speaker 1>lullaby that kills people, even if you sing it or

0:38:25.780 --> 0:38:30.800
<v Speaker 1>think it. It's a really gnarly book. Lots of child death.

0:38:31.080 --> 0:38:33.840
<v Speaker 1>It's like everyone in the book is a horrible person,

0:38:33.880 --> 0:38:38.500
<v Speaker 1>which I personally love books like that. I'm currently reading

0:38:38.580 --> 0:38:41.730
<v Speaker 1>The Tommyknockers by Stephen King. It's my most recent in

0:38:41.770 --> 0:38:45.330
<v Speaker 1>my year of reading all of his works that I

0:38:45.350 --> 0:38:48.370
<v Speaker 1>haven't read yet in order. And The Tommyknockers is very

0:38:48.430 --> 0:38:51.719
<v Speaker 1>much like his... Well, he has a lot of cocaine books,

0:38:52.160 --> 0:38:57.200
<v Speaker 1>but it's the most clearly the one about addiction and

0:38:57.239 --> 0:39:02.310
<v Speaker 1>the influence of substances on an artistic practice because it's

0:39:02.370 --> 0:39:04.930
<v Speaker 1>about this woman who finds a spaceship in her backyard

0:39:05.010 --> 0:39:08.170
<v Speaker 1>and it gives her and I'm guessing everyone in the

0:39:08.210 --> 0:39:10.910
<v Speaker 1>town amazing inventing powers.

0:39:12.310 --> 0:39:13.910
<v Speaker 2>I don't have anything to add to that other than

0:39:13.950 --> 0:39:17.540
<v Speaker 2>the fact that Tommyknockers does sound like a kind of

0:39:18.000 --> 0:39:23.740
<v Speaker 2>Hooters satire that would appear in a 30 Rock episode.

0:39:23.760 --> 0:39:24.219
<v Speaker 2>For sure.

0:39:24.239 --> 0:39:24.480
<v Speaker 1>For sure.

0:39:25.120 --> 0:39:27.090
<v Speaker 2>Step on up to Tommy knackers.

0:39:27.570 --> 0:39:31.009
<v Speaker 1>Uh some movie wrecks i because of a podcast i

0:39:31.050 --> 0:39:34.480
<v Speaker 1>listen to uh the hello sydney podcast i usually like

0:39:34.560 --> 0:39:37.940
<v Speaker 1>to to to watch the movies that she's going to

0:39:37.980 --> 0:39:41.520
<v Speaker 1>talk about i watched blair witch 2016 which is a

0:39:41.580 --> 0:39:45.500
<v Speaker 1>direct sequel to the blair witch project rather than blair

0:39:45.520 --> 0:39:47.940
<v Speaker 1>witch 2 book of shadows which is like not that

0:39:47.960 --> 0:39:54.160
<v Speaker 1>at all And it was surprisingly like tasteful. I like

0:39:54.340 --> 0:39:57.859
<v Speaker 1>would recommend watching it if you like the original Blair

0:39:57.910 --> 0:40:02.770
<v Speaker 1>Witch Project. I think it's a nice addition to that canon.

0:40:05.510 --> 0:40:07.570
<v Speaker 2>Was that like critically panned?

0:40:07.610 --> 0:40:09.430
<v Speaker 1>I don't know about panned, but I think it maybe

0:40:09.469 --> 0:40:11.850
<v Speaker 1>just kind of landed with like a wet fart of like,

0:40:11.989 --> 0:40:13.850
<v Speaker 1>why are you going to make a sequel to like

0:40:14.010 --> 0:40:15.950
<v Speaker 1>one of the best horror films of all time?

0:40:15.969 --> 0:40:16.270
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:40:16.890 --> 0:40:20.710
<v Speaker 1>Um, also for that podcast, I watched this morning, this

0:40:20.750 --> 0:40:23.600
<v Speaker 1>movie called pie whack it, which is about this like

0:40:24.660 --> 0:40:28.540
<v Speaker 1>emo girl who hates her mom and like summons a demon.

0:40:28.560 --> 0:40:34.280
<v Speaker 1>It was fine. It was whatever. Uh, recently I watched

0:40:34.380 --> 0:40:37.250
<v Speaker 1>the people under the stairs, which is a Wes Craven

0:40:37.270 --> 0:40:42.149
<v Speaker 1>movie from 1991. Um, and like, there's so much that's

0:40:42.170 --> 0:40:44.890
<v Speaker 1>been said about it already. I won't like go into depth, but,

0:40:46.400 --> 0:40:55.240
<v Speaker 1>It's so good. It's really funny, really spooky, definitely worth watching.

0:40:55.660 --> 0:40:58.920
<v Speaker 1>And then the other night, Ryan and I, after we

0:40:59.020 --> 0:41:02.600
<v Speaker 1>installed my new rug, decided that we wanted to watch

0:41:02.860 --> 0:41:07.560
<v Speaker 1>a Lifetime movie and landed on one called Deadly Mile

0:41:07.620 --> 0:41:14.129
<v Speaker 1>High Club, which is about a flight instructor who, after...

0:41:14.800 --> 0:41:20.739
<v Speaker 1>accidentally killing her lover in a crash, becomes obsessed with

0:41:21.180 --> 0:41:25.530
<v Speaker 1>a trainee at her flight school, and decides that she's

0:41:25.570 --> 0:41:32.290
<v Speaker 1>going to, you know, obsession style, destroy everything in his

0:41:32.370 --> 0:41:34.210
<v Speaker 1>life that isn't hers so that she can have them

0:41:34.290 --> 0:41:38.350
<v Speaker 1>all to herself. The most compelling part of it is

0:41:38.410 --> 0:41:43.870
<v Speaker 1>that the guy's wife wears a plot significant pink fedora.

0:41:44.500 --> 0:41:48.480
<v Speaker 1>that is one of the most shocking items of clothing

0:41:48.520 --> 0:41:53.390
<v Speaker 1>I've ever seen on film. Chekhov's fedora. It literally is

0:41:53.690 --> 0:41:56.850
<v Speaker 1>Chekhov's fedora. It is such an important part of the plot.

0:41:57.290 --> 0:41:58.549
<v Speaker 2>I'm not going to watch it. Can you just tell

0:41:58.570 --> 0:41:58.989
<v Speaker 2>me what happens?

0:41:59.469 --> 0:41:59.730
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:41:59.950 --> 0:42:00.690
<v Speaker 2>Just tell me what happens.

0:42:01.469 --> 0:42:08.719
<v Speaker 1>So the flight instructor to drive a wedge between her

0:42:08.780 --> 0:42:12.270
<v Speaker 1>man and his wife during one of their lessons, she

0:42:12.330 --> 0:42:16.089
<v Speaker 1>flies him over their house and has hired actors to

0:42:16.130 --> 0:42:18.430
<v Speaker 1>make it look like she's cheating on him with someone.

0:42:18.510 --> 0:42:20.839
<v Speaker 1>And the way that she sells it is she has

0:42:20.930 --> 0:42:24.739
<v Speaker 1>the woman wear the pink fedora so it can be

0:42:24.880 --> 0:42:31.279
<v Speaker 1>seen from the sky. It's crazy. I, when we run

0:42:31.320 --> 0:42:33.020
<v Speaker 1>this episode, I will, I'll.

0:42:33.260 --> 0:42:37.940
<v Speaker 2>I'll, I'll give them whiplash. Um, I'm never going to

0:42:37.960 --> 0:42:39.719
<v Speaker 2>see it. I'm so glad you told me. Yeah. Um,

0:42:39.820 --> 0:42:45.650
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. Huge wreck 4.2 on, um, run a

0:42:45.650 --> 0:42:50.210
<v Speaker 2>4.2 out of 10 on IMDb. Wait, I'm trying to

0:42:50.250 --> 0:42:52.190
<v Speaker 2>see it's like Rotten Tomatoes score. Not that that matters.

0:42:52.210 --> 0:42:53.609
<v Speaker 1>I think I gave it a, I think I gave

0:42:53.650 --> 0:42:54.890
<v Speaker 1>it a, I think I gave it two and a

0:42:54.890 --> 0:42:55.370
<v Speaker 1>half stars.

0:42:55.650 --> 0:42:57.300
<v Speaker 2>Two and a half. Letterboxd.

0:42:58.100 --> 0:43:00.640
<v Speaker 1>Um, a film that I gave many more stars to

0:43:00.680 --> 0:43:04.259
<v Speaker 1>though is our, our main topic of discussion this episode is,

0:43:05.070 --> 0:43:08.730
<v Speaker 1>the new film resident evil directed by Zach Kreger written

0:43:08.790 --> 0:43:12.780
<v Speaker 1>by Kreger and Shea Hatton based on the iconic video

0:43:12.800 --> 0:43:17.700
<v Speaker 1>game franchise, which has like over 10 games. This is

0:43:17.780 --> 0:43:22.500
<v Speaker 1>like a kind of a soft reboot. It's not necessarily

0:43:22.560 --> 0:43:25.360
<v Speaker 1>connected to any of the other films in the resident

0:43:25.530 --> 0:43:29.770
<v Speaker 1>evil multiverse, which largely came out in the early two thousands.

0:43:30.550 --> 0:43:33.359
<v Speaker 1>And yeah, I had never seen a Resident Evil film

0:43:33.400 --> 0:43:35.720
<v Speaker 1>before I saw this movie. I had never played the game.

0:43:36.140 --> 0:43:38.960
<v Speaker 1>You asked me after I saw it if you could

0:43:39.060 --> 0:43:42.360
<v Speaker 1>also similarly go in blind, and I said I did,

0:43:42.560 --> 0:43:46.340
<v Speaker 1>and I enjoyed it, so I think you can. Was

0:43:46.820 --> 0:43:48.400
<v Speaker 1>I correct? Yeah.

0:43:48.800 --> 0:43:55.080
<v Speaker 2>It definitely is a gorgeous, gorgeous way to adapt a

0:43:55.640 --> 0:44:00.640
<v Speaker 2>highly recognizable, highly adapted IP game Resident Evil has, what,

0:44:00.660 --> 0:44:02.480
<v Speaker 2>there have been like 10 movies before this or something

0:44:02.500 --> 0:44:04.540
<v Speaker 2>like that. It's like been a lot of, it's a

0:44:04.620 --> 0:44:06.820
<v Speaker 2>lot of video games that have come before this. A

0:44:06.900 --> 0:44:09.049
<v Speaker 2>lot of movies that have come before this. It is

0:44:09.140 --> 0:44:12.109
<v Speaker 2>like one of the most known kind of video game

0:44:12.170 --> 0:44:16.430
<v Speaker 2>franchises you could name. And so for him to kind

0:44:16.469 --> 0:44:19.549
<v Speaker 2>of enter, to put his entry into the canon and

0:44:19.590 --> 0:44:23.509
<v Speaker 2>to say it's a complete capsule, like I'm sure there

0:44:23.530 --> 0:44:25.820
<v Speaker 2>are Easter eggs here and there. But for it to

0:44:25.860 --> 0:44:29.219
<v Speaker 2>be a capsule that lives and breathes on its own

0:44:29.460 --> 0:44:34.620
<v Speaker 2>is the smartest fucking way to play fanservice while also saying,

0:44:34.700 --> 0:44:37.890
<v Speaker 2>this is my stamp on something that could have been,

0:44:37.910 --> 0:44:40.050
<v Speaker 2>you know, just fanservice.

0:44:40.489 --> 0:44:44.590
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and a quick rundown of the plot. Spoiler warning.

0:44:44.610 --> 0:44:44.690
<v Speaker 2>Okay.

0:44:46.000 --> 0:44:48.700
<v Speaker 1>It's basically, one of the things I loved about it

0:44:48.920 --> 0:44:53.020
<v Speaker 1>is it's essentially like a movie about an NPC from

0:44:53.080 --> 0:44:56.740
<v Speaker 1>a video game. Like it's not the hero. It's just

0:44:56.760 --> 0:45:01.129
<v Speaker 1>like a side person. So it's about this courier who

0:45:01.190 --> 0:45:09.030
<v Speaker 1>delivers organs, you know, for transplants and gets sent with

0:45:09.170 --> 0:45:13.089
<v Speaker 1>a package to Raccoon City, which is like the city

0:45:13.130 --> 0:45:16.759
<v Speaker 1>where all of the Resident Evil stuff takes place. And

0:45:17.120 --> 0:45:21.660
<v Speaker 1>he winds up embroiled in zombie shit. And he has

0:45:21.700 --> 0:45:25.530
<v Speaker 1>to get what turns out to not be an organ,

0:45:25.690 --> 0:45:33.690
<v Speaker 1>but the cure for the T-virus, which causes the zombie-ness

0:45:34.270 --> 0:45:40.450
<v Speaker 1>in this world, to this hospital so that an antidote

0:45:40.570 --> 0:45:44.989
<v Speaker 1>can be made for the virus. Disease that is turning

0:45:45.110 --> 0:45:50.440
<v Speaker 1>everyone into zombies. So this movie really rests on its

0:45:50.719 --> 0:45:56.320
<v Speaker 1>main character, played by Austin Abrams. He was in Weapons,

0:45:57.200 --> 0:46:01.090
<v Speaker 1>Zach Krieger's last film. He played the Junkie, who I

0:46:01.110 --> 0:46:03.130
<v Speaker 1>think was low-key the best part of that movie. He

0:46:03.150 --> 0:46:08.820
<v Speaker 1>was so fucking good. So funny. He's also in a

0:46:08.840 --> 0:46:11.680
<v Speaker 1>movie coming out next month called Whale Fall, in which

0:46:11.739 --> 0:46:14.800
<v Speaker 1>he gets stuck in a whale while scuba diving.

0:46:14.820 --> 0:46:15.600
<v Speaker 2>Oh, I saw the trailer for that.

0:46:16.120 --> 0:46:19.279
<v Speaker 1>And only has like an hour to get out, which

0:46:19.820 --> 0:46:22.760
<v Speaker 1>I'm so excited to see because, you know, deep ocean

0:46:22.780 --> 0:46:24.560
<v Speaker 1>stuff scares the fuck out of me.

0:46:24.580 --> 0:46:25.859
<v Speaker 2>I will see it with you.

0:46:25.880 --> 0:46:27.920
<v Speaker 1>I would love to. I think he's like kind of

0:46:27.980 --> 0:46:30.920
<v Speaker 1>cementing his place as a new scream king.

0:46:31.180 --> 0:46:34.750
<v Speaker 2>Can I say... He's so fine.

0:46:35.270 --> 0:46:37.230
<v Speaker 1>I think he's so sexy.

0:46:37.250 --> 0:46:41.010
<v Speaker 2>He has the most perfect, beautiful rat face, perfect, beautiful

0:46:41.070 --> 0:46:41.529
<v Speaker 2>rat hair.

0:46:41.550 --> 0:46:44.390
<v Speaker 1>So rat face. He's giving, he's kind of giving the

0:46:44.450 --> 0:46:48.220
<v Speaker 1>twink from the pit. He's an alt version.

0:46:48.239 --> 0:46:49.899
<v Speaker 2>&lt;HAL&gt; &lt;HAL&gt; &lt;HAL&gt; &lt;HAL&gt; &lt;HAL&gt; &lt;HAL&gt; &lt;HAL&gt; &lt;HAL&gt; &lt;HAL&gt; &lt;HAL&gt;

0:46:49.940 --> 0:46:53.080
<v Speaker 2>The twink from the pit has eye bags, which is

0:46:53.160 --> 0:46:55.920
<v Speaker 2>very different from rat face. I guess the twink from

0:46:55.940 --> 0:46:58.080
<v Speaker 2>the pit does have a slightly pointed nose, but that's

0:46:58.120 --> 0:47:01.989
<v Speaker 2>just a twink nose. Rat face is a specifically, my

0:47:02.110 --> 0:47:07.450
<v Speaker 2>head is triangular shaped. Okay. I have a triangular shaped face.

0:47:07.930 --> 0:47:11.380
<v Speaker 2>I have a teeny little mustache. I have little pieces

0:47:11.420 --> 0:47:12.840
<v Speaker 2>of hair that fall into my face and are a

0:47:12.860 --> 0:47:17.980
<v Speaker 2>little bit greasy. I have overgrown brows that accentuate the

0:47:18.040 --> 0:47:22.580
<v Speaker 2>triangulation of my face. And then a nose that completes

0:47:22.900 --> 0:47:29.049
<v Speaker 2>the rat fantasy. Like he is the quintessential rat. hot

0:47:29.110 --> 0:47:29.850
<v Speaker 2>rat boy face.

0:47:29.950 --> 0:47:34.390
<v Speaker 1>And he is so, he's so charming in this movie.

0:47:34.570 --> 0:47:38.129
<v Speaker 1>Every time he does his little smile or like he's,

0:47:38.250 --> 0:47:42.610
<v Speaker 1>he screams, he's basically alone for most of the film

0:47:42.640 --> 0:47:47.420
<v Speaker 1>and is constantly like narrating his inner monologue, which is

0:47:47.480 --> 0:47:50.020
<v Speaker 1>basically like, what the fuck? What the fuck? I have

0:47:50.040 --> 0:47:51.739
<v Speaker 1>to get the fuck out of here. Fuck this. This

0:47:51.800 --> 0:47:52.400
<v Speaker 1>is crazy.

0:47:52.600 --> 0:47:54.980
<v Speaker 2>Stupid fucking, you know, stuff like that.

0:47:55.460 --> 0:48:00.009
<v Speaker 1>It's, It's such a funny movie. I do think sometimes

0:48:00.090 --> 0:48:03.520
<v Speaker 1>to its detriment, I think sometimes it leans a little

0:48:04.300 --> 0:48:08.520
<v Speaker 1>too hard on the jokes and on the humor. Specifically,

0:48:09.200 --> 0:48:12.920
<v Speaker 1>the last 10 minutes I found very annoying with the

0:48:12.960 --> 0:48:16.320
<v Speaker 1>guy from Severance and all the other lab technicians. I

0:48:16.360 --> 0:48:18.870
<v Speaker 1>was like, no, I actually kind of want this to

0:48:18.910 --> 0:48:23.550
<v Speaker 1>be a very serious, scary, dramatic film.

0:48:23.850 --> 0:48:27.930
<v Speaker 2>Oh, you thought that the ending... Well, let's talk about

0:48:27.950 --> 0:48:29.730
<v Speaker 2>the ending at the end. Yeah. Because I want to

0:48:29.800 --> 0:48:33.800
<v Speaker 2>talk a bit about, I'm surprised by that take. But,

0:48:35.219 --> 0:48:37.360
<v Speaker 2>you know, something else that, if you don't know, if

0:48:37.380 --> 0:48:40.359
<v Speaker 2>you're not familiar with Zack Krieger, Zack Krieger directed the

0:48:40.719 --> 0:48:43.000
<v Speaker 2>Oscar-nominated slash Oscar-winning.

0:48:43.020 --> 0:48:43.600
<v Speaker 1>Oscar-winning.

0:48:43.840 --> 0:48:49.010
<v Speaker 2>Winning, because Gladys did win. Yeah. Weapons.

0:48:49.110 --> 0:48:51.319
<v Speaker 1>Also Barbarian. And Barbarian.

0:48:51.480 --> 0:48:54.500
<v Speaker 2>Two of, I would say easily, my favorite horror films

0:48:54.520 --> 0:48:57.600
<v Speaker 2>that I've seen in the last decade. I do kind

0:48:57.640 --> 0:48:59.840
<v Speaker 2>of feel like, I'm sorry, I thought this was a

0:48:59.860 --> 0:49:03.390
<v Speaker 2>perfect film. I thought it was five stars. Resident Evil,

0:49:03.570 --> 0:49:06.430
<v Speaker 2>that is. I kind of watch it and I was like,

0:49:06.750 --> 0:49:09.490
<v Speaker 2>I feel like Zack Krieger is kind of three for three,

0:49:09.550 --> 0:49:14.730
<v Speaker 2>has produced, in my opinion, three perfect films. Like, perfect,

0:49:14.870 --> 0:49:19.319
<v Speaker 2>I'm using, a term that I'm using pretty sweepingly but

0:49:19.360 --> 0:49:21.779
<v Speaker 2>like perfect in the sense that like I walk out

0:49:21.800 --> 0:49:23.940
<v Speaker 2>of that film and I'm like I really really crave

0:49:24.320 --> 0:49:28.549
<v Speaker 2>a movie watching experience that feels like that where you

0:49:28.590 --> 0:49:32.810
<v Speaker 2>go like you know you're always there's like turns there's

0:49:32.890 --> 0:49:37.050
<v Speaker 2>twists there's surprise there's delight there's laugh out loud humor

0:49:37.070 --> 0:49:43.530
<v Speaker 2>and tons of rule breaking, right? Like the thing about

0:49:43.830 --> 0:49:46.950
<v Speaker 2>Zach Krieger's style, I think that you would learn if

0:49:46.989 --> 0:49:53.299
<v Speaker 2>you watch Barbarian first, is that he is totally not

0:49:53.340 --> 0:49:56.379
<v Speaker 2>afraid to say, I know all movies are made this

0:49:56.440 --> 0:49:59.779
<v Speaker 2>way and I'm going to take a hard turn and

0:50:01.060 --> 0:50:04.900
<v Speaker 2>structure the movie this way. Like he zigs when any

0:50:04.960 --> 0:50:08.540
<v Speaker 2>other filmmaker would zag. And I think that a lot

0:50:08.580 --> 0:50:12.420
<v Speaker 2>of times, if that gets too experimental with other filmmakers,

0:50:12.840 --> 0:50:15.020
<v Speaker 2>it's like kind of, it becomes like a chore to watch.

0:50:15.060 --> 0:50:19.390
<v Speaker 2>It becomes like homework. And when Zach Krieger does the zagging,

0:50:19.770 --> 0:50:22.810
<v Speaker 2>when he takes some sort of like structural creative license,

0:50:23.290 --> 0:50:26.069
<v Speaker 2>it never feels like homework. It always feels like it's

0:50:26.250 --> 0:50:31.390
<v Speaker 2>in support of the entertainment value. Right. Like he's, his

0:50:31.450 --> 0:50:33.790
<v Speaker 2>movies are fucking entertaining and.

0:50:34.140 --> 0:50:37.779
<v Speaker 1>He does not overly rely on jump scares, which is

0:50:37.960 --> 0:50:40.270
<v Speaker 1>so rare in modern horror cinema.

0:50:40.770 --> 0:50:48.290
<v Speaker 2>And he also, like, Weapons was, I think, is very thought-provoking,

0:50:48.350 --> 0:50:51.469
<v Speaker 2>and there's so many different themes bubbling under the surface

0:50:51.489 --> 0:50:56.030
<v Speaker 2>that make it a complex horror film. However, all three

0:50:56.110 --> 0:51:00.940
<v Speaker 2>films are still, in my opinion, rollercoaster rides. And I

0:51:01.100 --> 0:51:02.480
<v Speaker 2>like that they're not bogged down.

0:51:02.500 --> 0:51:03.660
<v Speaker 1>It's a good way to put it, yeah.

0:51:03.680 --> 0:51:08.570
<v Speaker 2>They're not bogged down by introspection the way that, sorry,

0:51:08.590 --> 0:51:11.009
<v Speaker 2>and I think this is a fair comparison, a kind

0:51:11.030 --> 0:51:13.160
<v Speaker 2>of Jordan Peele might be, right?

0:51:14.510 --> 0:51:16.990
<v Speaker 1>There's a little bit of it in this movie.

0:51:17.010 --> 0:51:17.910
<v Speaker 2>Introspection?

0:51:18.090 --> 0:51:18.690
<v Speaker 1>No, girl.

0:51:18.730 --> 0:51:21.810
<v Speaker 2>There's one emotional stake about a baby.

0:51:22.070 --> 0:51:26.490
<v Speaker 1>Yes, because he finds out that his girlfriend is pregnant

0:51:26.590 --> 0:51:29.370
<v Speaker 1>early in the movie, has a really bad reaction to it,

0:51:29.480 --> 0:51:34.680
<v Speaker 1>and then late in the film, after he has, spoiler alert,

0:51:34.880 --> 0:51:37.080
<v Speaker 1>been bitten by one of the zombies, so he knows

0:51:37.160 --> 0:51:40.600
<v Speaker 1>that he may possibly turn into one of them, he

0:51:40.680 --> 0:51:44.700
<v Speaker 1>records a message for his girlfriend about how he should

0:51:44.760 --> 0:51:48.259
<v Speaker 1>have been excited about them having a baby together and

0:51:48.300 --> 0:51:53.509
<v Speaker 1>he loves her. It's something to humanize this guy a

0:51:53.530 --> 0:51:56.049
<v Speaker 1>little more than just him being a doofus.

0:51:56.830 --> 0:51:58.250
<v Speaker 2>It's necessary, but it was so sparing.

0:51:58.270 --> 0:51:59.750
<v Speaker 1>It's necessary, but it's a little heavy-handed.

0:52:00.150 --> 0:52:03.009
<v Speaker 2>No, I disagree. I think it was so sparing. It

0:52:03.489 --> 0:52:05.670
<v Speaker 2>was in the movie literally twice.

0:52:06.830 --> 0:52:09.779
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but the movie does kind of grind to a

0:52:09.860 --> 0:52:13.740
<v Speaker 1>halt so that he can leave that voicemail and cry. And,

0:52:15.190 --> 0:52:18.850
<v Speaker 1>and I love, I loved how propulsive the film was

0:52:19.050 --> 0:52:23.270
<v Speaker 1>and not just, it gave me a chance to think

0:52:23.330 --> 0:52:25.650
<v Speaker 1>about what I was watching for the first time in

0:52:25.690 --> 0:52:27.930
<v Speaker 1>a while. And this is a movie that is very

0:52:27.950 --> 0:52:30.250
<v Speaker 1>much served by not thinking.

0:52:31.050 --> 0:52:36.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Um, I, I mean, my, my, Well, okay. I

0:52:36.640 --> 0:52:38.640
<v Speaker 2>don't know if this is in agreement with what you

0:52:38.660 --> 0:52:41.700
<v Speaker 2>said or if this is in contrast, but I think

0:52:41.739 --> 0:52:47.529
<v Speaker 2>that this essentially one turn of emotional stake in an

0:52:47.610 --> 0:52:54.569
<v Speaker 2>otherwise rollercoaster-y film or a high comedy rollercoaster with really

0:52:54.610 --> 0:52:59.240
<v Speaker 2>good scares. More of a dark ride. A very dark ride.

0:53:00.120 --> 0:53:03.040
<v Speaker 2>I love that it was used so sparingly. I felt

0:53:03.080 --> 0:53:05.819
<v Speaker 2>like it was used very sparingly And I think that

0:53:05.840 --> 0:53:09.880
<v Speaker 2>I'm thinking about that in comparison to a landscape of

0:53:09.960 --> 0:53:14.040
<v Speaker 2>horror that really wants to talk about, oh, the horror,

0:53:14.219 --> 0:53:18.239
<v Speaker 2>it's all about grief. Oh, it's all about losing your mother. Oh,

0:53:19.140 --> 0:53:21.259
<v Speaker 2>it's a metaphor for losing your mother. Oh, it's a

0:53:21.280 --> 0:53:23.860
<v Speaker 2>metaphor for divorce. Oh, it's a metaphor. It's like a

0:53:24.000 --> 0:53:27.049
<v Speaker 2>lot of contemporary films, I think actually post Jordan Peele,

0:53:27.070 --> 0:53:30.430
<v Speaker 2>I think this is actually Jordan Peele's influence, are really

0:53:30.530 --> 0:53:35.250
<v Speaker 2>trying to be introspective But they're also trying to have

0:53:35.270 --> 0:53:41.940
<v Speaker 2>their cake in being serious movies and also thrills and chills.

0:53:42.380 --> 0:53:45.520
<v Speaker 2>And I love that Resident Evil was like, all thrills,

0:53:45.719 --> 0:53:49.239
<v Speaker 2>all chills, one stop for emotions, and the rest is

0:53:49.320 --> 0:53:49.780
<v Speaker 2>a ride.

0:53:52.270 --> 0:53:55.109
<v Speaker 1>It's a minor problem I have with the execution. And

0:53:55.210 --> 0:53:58.890
<v Speaker 1>what I did appreciate was that there was a scare

0:53:58.950 --> 0:54:02.630
<v Speaker 1>payoff when he goes into the maternity ward and there's

0:54:02.790 --> 0:54:08.149
<v Speaker 1>the zombie baby. So that was, that made that whole

0:54:08.250 --> 0:54:10.190
<v Speaker 1>storyline worth it for me.

0:54:10.590 --> 0:54:13.690
<v Speaker 2>And not to mention the emotional scene was like kind

0:54:13.730 --> 0:54:16.870
<v Speaker 2>of cut short with a punchline, which I really love.

0:54:16.950 --> 0:54:20.379
<v Speaker 2>Like it really, I think the film really knew itself.

0:54:20.489 --> 0:54:23.399
<v Speaker 2>And anyways, okay. I want to hear more about your

0:54:23.500 --> 0:54:27.359
<v Speaker 2>experience in the theater. And by the theater, I mean

0:54:27.580 --> 0:54:31.140
<v Speaker 2>in the Alamo theater, did you get any names there?

0:54:31.780 --> 0:54:34.910
<v Speaker 2>About those that were torturing your experience. Rose, please tell

0:54:34.950 --> 0:54:35.850
<v Speaker 2>the versions what happened.

0:54:36.110 --> 0:54:39.250
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so I was at the Alamo Drafthouse in downtown Brooklyn,

0:54:39.570 --> 0:54:41.049
<v Speaker 1>where I always am.

0:54:41.070 --> 0:54:45.230
<v Speaker 2>And I will be complaining about Alamo after your rant. Sorry.

0:54:45.489 --> 0:54:47.450
<v Speaker 1>Do you need to complain about it again?

0:54:47.590 --> 0:54:50.210
<v Speaker 2>Yes, I do. Okay, okay.

0:54:50.730 --> 0:54:52.670
<v Speaker 1>There was a couple in the back of the theater.

0:54:52.690 --> 0:54:57.330
<v Speaker 1>I would imagine they were teenagers or maybe like early

0:54:57.390 --> 0:54:57.589
<v Speaker 1>20s who.

0:54:59.330 --> 0:55:02.989
<v Speaker 1>You know, this is a horror movie. There is an

0:55:03.030 --> 0:55:07.609
<v Speaker 1>acceptable amount of commentary allowed in a horror movie. Agree.

0:55:08.130 --> 0:55:12.670
<v Speaker 1>Don't do that. Oh, my God. She did that. But

0:55:13.870 --> 0:55:16.430
<v Speaker 1>this was as if we were in these people's living

0:55:16.489 --> 0:55:19.240
<v Speaker 1>rooms and we were intruding on their viewing experience.

0:55:19.260 --> 0:55:21.160
<v Speaker 2>Full sentences? Full sentences.

0:55:22.040 --> 0:55:24.339
<v Speaker 1>And I... Phone use?

0:55:25.680 --> 0:55:26.980
<v Speaker 2>Okay. Okay.

0:55:28.739 --> 0:55:30.460
<v Speaker 1>Towards the end of the film.

0:55:30.940 --> 0:55:31.160
<v Speaker 2>No.

0:55:33.560 --> 0:55:37.890
<v Speaker 1>One of the people in this relationship, their phone rang.

0:55:38.210 --> 0:55:38.450
<v Speaker 2>No.

0:55:39.230 --> 0:55:39.930
<v Speaker 1>Volume on.

0:55:40.290 --> 0:55:40.489
<v Speaker 2>No.

0:55:40.630 --> 0:55:43.310
<v Speaker 1>And the ringtone was, hello, Moto.

0:55:44.410 --> 0:55:46.339
<v Speaker 2>No. Yes.

0:55:47.320 --> 0:55:53.779
<v Speaker 1>And he took the call and spoke for approximately 20

0:55:53.780 --> 0:55:59.160
<v Speaker 1>to 30 seconds. That was the point in which I

0:55:59.580 --> 0:56:01.759
<v Speaker 1>could know. If I had been closer to them, I

0:56:01.840 --> 0:56:05.680
<v Speaker 1>would have said, can you please stop talking? I wasn't.

0:56:06.060 --> 0:56:09.260
<v Speaker 1>So instead, what I tried to do is what Alamo

0:56:09.340 --> 0:56:14.149
<v Speaker 1>suggests you do, which is you can use their app

0:56:14.190 --> 0:56:14.810
<v Speaker 1>to snitch.

0:56:15.050 --> 0:56:16.950
<v Speaker 2>If you've never been to an Alamo draft house, what

0:56:16.989 --> 0:56:18.850
<v Speaker 2>is the message that happens at the beginning of the film, Rose?

0:56:19.690 --> 0:56:23.410
<v Speaker 2>It's like, warning, warning. This is a phone-free zone. It's

0:56:23.550 --> 0:56:26.029
<v Speaker 2>very threatening. It's a very threatening message that the audience gets.

0:56:26.270 --> 0:56:29.000
<v Speaker 1>Now they've put a new turn on it because all

0:56:29.020 --> 0:56:32.240
<v Speaker 1>of the ordering now happens through an app. So they

0:56:32.820 --> 0:56:36.580
<v Speaker 1>make this whole joke about reporting phone use on your phone.

0:56:37.340 --> 0:56:40.860
<v Speaker 1>I noticed that I was not the only person giving

0:56:40.960 --> 0:56:44.430
<v Speaker 1>them the, like, ugh kind of looks. And that there

0:56:44.469 --> 0:56:48.330
<v Speaker 1>were other people who were using the app to request service.

0:56:48.350 --> 0:56:48.410
<v Speaker 2>Oh.

0:56:49.420 --> 0:56:52.919
<v Speaker 1>And yet, no one who worked at the theater ever

0:56:53.020 --> 0:56:55.180
<v Speaker 1>came in to tell them to shut the fuck up.

0:56:55.700 --> 0:57:00.680
<v Speaker 2>Okay. So, my gripe, once again, with the Alamo, the

0:57:00.719 --> 0:57:03.710
<v Speaker 2>worst theatrical movie experience that I ever have at any

0:57:03.750 --> 0:57:09.529
<v Speaker 2>movie theater, once again, I find the opening messages at

0:57:09.570 --> 0:57:15.010
<v Speaker 2>the Alamo Drafthouse to be so grating. Tonally, you say jokes.

0:57:15.390 --> 0:57:18.510
<v Speaker 2>I find no jokes in these openings. There's no comedy

0:57:18.590 --> 0:57:20.260
<v Speaker 2>to be had. I think there's an attempt at comedy.

0:57:20.280 --> 0:57:25.140
<v Speaker 2>I never think it's funny. The threatening nature toward its

0:57:25.240 --> 0:57:28.200
<v Speaker 2>patrons to be like, hey, if one of you fucking talks,

0:57:28.520 --> 0:57:30.540
<v Speaker 2>I swear to fucking God, I'm going to come down there.

0:57:30.740 --> 0:57:32.780
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to get you. And if I don't get you,

0:57:33.160 --> 0:57:34.939
<v Speaker 2>they're going to get you. And it doesn't even work.

0:57:35.400 --> 0:57:45.200
<v Speaker 2>To conscript the patrons of the Alamo Drafthouse into policing

0:57:45.520 --> 0:57:48.070
<v Speaker 2>each other is so psychotic.

0:57:48.090 --> 0:57:49.200
<v Speaker 1>Kill the cop in your own mind.

0:57:49.490 --> 0:57:53.180
<v Speaker 2>It is such a psychotic thing for the Alamo Drafthouse

0:57:53.260 --> 0:57:56.020
<v Speaker 2>to have as an offering. I think it's like really,

0:57:56.060 --> 0:57:59.760
<v Speaker 2>really fucked up and crazy that they have a option

0:57:59.960 --> 0:58:03.710
<v Speaker 2>in the app to snitch on people that talk or

0:58:03.810 --> 0:58:06.510
<v Speaker 2>use their phones during the movie. I think that's psychotic.

0:58:06.650 --> 0:58:09.270
<v Speaker 2>Mind you, doesn't excuse the behavior of the people sitting

0:58:09.290 --> 0:58:13.450
<v Speaker 2>behind you. However, it is so crazy that the Alamo

0:58:13.490 --> 0:58:17.340
<v Speaker 2>even has this And for them to threaten every single

0:58:17.460 --> 0:58:20.430
<v Speaker 2>audience of patrons at the Alamo Drafthouse, every single film,

0:58:20.870 --> 0:58:25.130
<v Speaker 2>and to create such an unwelcoming movie-watching experience, because we

0:58:25.170 --> 0:58:31.180
<v Speaker 2>are all now in a police state, as created by

0:58:31.280 --> 0:58:35.880
<v Speaker 2>the Alamo Drafthouse, that they won't even respond to the

0:58:35.900 --> 0:58:36.900
<v Speaker 2>snitch reports?

0:58:37.100 --> 0:58:41.560
<v Speaker 1>I know. I know. I do somewhat disagree with your

0:58:41.620 --> 0:58:48.140
<v Speaker 1>characterization of the policy, but yes, it was very infuriating

0:58:48.360 --> 0:58:54.190
<v Speaker 1>to just have this go totally undealt with. I did

0:58:54.470 --> 0:58:58.530
<v Speaker 1>on the way out say something to the person working

0:58:58.550 --> 0:58:59.090
<v Speaker 1>at the desk.

0:58:59.350 --> 0:58:59.870
<v Speaker 2>Say something.

0:59:00.510 --> 0:59:02.810
<v Speaker 1>They gave me a coupon for a free movie.

0:59:02.850 --> 0:59:03.330
<v Speaker 2>Oh, I love that.

0:59:03.390 --> 0:59:04.630
<v Speaker 1>What the fuck am I going to do with this?

0:59:04.710 --> 0:59:05.870
<v Speaker 1>I already have a membership.

0:59:06.190 --> 0:59:07.220
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you can give it to me.

0:59:08.500 --> 0:59:11.280
<v Speaker 1>I actually used it for... for, Cherry and I were

0:59:11.300 --> 0:59:13.660
<v Speaker 1>supposed to see Ghost in the Shell yesterday and then

0:59:14.280 --> 0:59:18.380
<v Speaker 1>she had to cancel. So like, I just lost the

0:59:18.500 --> 0:59:21.300
<v Speaker 1>free use. I also like kind of wanted to cancel

0:59:21.400 --> 0:59:23.160
<v Speaker 1>anyway because I didn't really want to go to the

0:59:23.200 --> 0:59:23.920
<v Speaker 1>movies yesterday.

0:59:24.120 --> 0:59:24.420
<v Speaker 2>Damn.

0:59:24.740 --> 0:59:29.990
<v Speaker 1>But that sucked. But besides that, And that definitely did

0:59:30.070 --> 0:59:32.930
<v Speaker 1>color my experience. I ended up giving this movie four

0:59:32.970 --> 0:59:36.950
<v Speaker 1>stars on Letterboxd, which is very much in line with

0:59:37.530 --> 0:59:41.130
<v Speaker 1>my opinion on Zach Krieger's other films, which I have really,

0:59:41.170 --> 0:59:44.810
<v Speaker 1>really liked. And four stars is a high score for me,

0:59:45.470 --> 0:59:48.300
<v Speaker 1>but five stars to me is perfect and not in

0:59:48.360 --> 0:59:50.720
<v Speaker 1>the way that I think you're saying perfect. I mean,

0:59:50.860 --> 0:59:54.500
<v Speaker 1>like literally perfect. One of the best films I've ever seen.

0:59:54.520 --> 0:59:58.380
<v Speaker 1>I do not give five stars lightly. Four stars to

0:59:58.420 --> 1:00:01.580
<v Speaker 1>me is like, I really enjoyed this. There were some

1:00:01.620 --> 1:00:05.720
<v Speaker 1>things I didn't love or wanted more of or whatever.

1:00:06.260 --> 1:00:09.760
<v Speaker 1>But I had such a fun time at this movie

1:00:10.200 --> 1:00:16.410
<v Speaker 1>besides those jokers and back.

1:00:16.430 --> 1:00:22.470
<v Speaker 2>I am not lying when I say that I think

1:00:22.490 --> 1:00:27.740
<v Speaker 2>this movie is better than The Odyssey. Yeah. I think

1:00:28.000 --> 1:00:33.430
<v Speaker 2>that I go and I see movies and I want

1:00:33.550 --> 1:00:38.190
<v Speaker 2>my experience to feel like this. And I am an

1:00:39.090 --> 1:00:44.190
<v Speaker 2>uncomplicated woman, okay? That's such a lie. I love the cinema.

1:00:44.290 --> 1:00:49.140
<v Speaker 2>I love to have my brain wrinkled. I love thought-provoking

1:00:49.560 --> 1:00:54.900
<v Speaker 2>kind of filmmaking that is awards-worthy, what have you. And also...

1:00:55.490 --> 1:00:58.980
<v Speaker 2>I will pick the roller coaster every time. And this

1:00:59.100 --> 1:01:04.660
<v Speaker 2>was such a well done roller coaster. It was every

1:01:04.700 --> 1:01:09.910
<v Speaker 2>single turn to me, perfectly executed. Even when the CGI

1:01:09.970 --> 1:01:13.970
<v Speaker 2>was not like, it was very video gamey, even as

1:01:14.010 --> 1:01:17.310
<v Speaker 2>someone who doesn't care about video games. Even as someone

1:01:17.370 --> 1:01:22.740
<v Speaker 2>who is like... I'm always trying to extract deeper meanings

1:01:22.760 --> 1:01:26.060
<v Speaker 2>from the film. This film really did not vie for

1:01:26.280 --> 1:01:29.560
<v Speaker 2>any sort of deeper meaning. It just was, to me,

1:01:30.040 --> 1:01:33.100
<v Speaker 2>excellent filmmaking within this genre.

1:01:33.120 --> 1:01:38.120
<v Speaker 1>It's popcorn entertainment in its purest form. Which I very

1:01:38.140 --> 1:01:42.630
<v Speaker 1>much appreciated. And it did make me want to pick

1:01:42.690 --> 1:01:46.110
<v Speaker 1>up a Resident Evil game and play it. I have played...

1:01:46.330 --> 1:01:53.100
<v Speaker 1>A couple of horror and horror adjacent games, specifically Alien Isolation,

1:01:53.600 --> 1:01:56.760
<v Speaker 1>which is so good and actually like very scary. I

1:01:57.420 --> 1:01:59.960
<v Speaker 1>do think like video games are a place where you

1:01:59.980 --> 1:02:02.820
<v Speaker 1>can do horror really well because of the sort of

1:02:02.980 --> 1:02:07.540
<v Speaker 1>immersive nature of playing a video game. It also did

1:02:07.660 --> 1:02:11.610
<v Speaker 1>inspire me to watch, as I said earlier in the episode,

1:02:11.710 --> 1:02:15.590
<v Speaker 1>some of the other Resident Evil films, which are.

1:02:15.610 --> 1:02:16.650
<v Speaker 2>Not good, right?

1:02:16.990 --> 1:02:23.050
<v Speaker 1>Not good. The first one is okay. It's fine.

1:02:23.730 --> 1:02:26.090
<v Speaker 2>We love Mila Jovovich. What did she do?

1:02:26.810 --> 1:02:30.660
<v Speaker 1>She's the main character. character which is interesting because from

1:02:30.700 --> 1:02:33.340
<v Speaker 1>what i understand she's like not based on a character

1:02:33.380 --> 1:02:35.520
<v Speaker 1>from the games and was just like fully made up

1:02:35.560 --> 1:02:38.620
<v Speaker 1>for the for the movie it also stars daniel mead

1:02:38.800 --> 1:02:39.840
<v Speaker 1>from ugly betty.

1:02:39.570 --> 1:02:41.570
<v Speaker 2>Love that who's perfect for.

1:02:41.510 --> 1:02:44.270
<v Speaker 1>That then becomes like a zombie monster in the second

1:02:44.310 --> 1:02:47.150
<v Speaker 1>movie and like the actor doesn't return for it but

1:02:47.190 --> 1:02:49.030
<v Speaker 1>it's like his character.

1:02:48.830 --> 1:02:50.430
<v Speaker 2>Wait wait what it's.

1:02:50.370 --> 1:02:52.270
<v Speaker 1>Not like they recast him but it's like it's like

1:02:52.290 --> 1:02:54.670
<v Speaker 1>a he looks like an orc from lord of the

1:02:54.690 --> 1:02:58.340
<v Speaker 1>rings okay okay um The second movie was way worse

1:02:58.420 --> 1:03:01.000
<v Speaker 1>and I will not be continuing to watch those films,

1:03:01.200 --> 1:03:04.800
<v Speaker 1>I think. But I do want to play one of

1:03:04.820 --> 1:03:08.470
<v Speaker 1>the games so I can be scared. Speaking of scary,

1:03:08.490 --> 1:03:11.070
<v Speaker 1>I want to hear what you thought were the scariest

1:03:11.130 --> 1:03:15.470
<v Speaker 1>moments of the movie. For me, the little girl with

1:03:15.510 --> 1:03:19.320
<v Speaker 1>the tentacle legs freaked me the fuck out because I

1:03:19.430 --> 1:03:22.720
<v Speaker 1>knew it was coming and it was grosser than I

1:03:22.820 --> 1:03:24.360
<v Speaker 1>could have even anticipated.

1:03:26.990 --> 1:03:30.470
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there's something about, so this girl is discovered inside

1:03:30.510 --> 1:03:35.270
<v Speaker 2>a trailer, and the trailer is discovered inside a long,

1:03:35.410 --> 1:03:36.350
<v Speaker 2>dark tunnel.

1:03:36.700 --> 1:03:39.820
<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, that whole sequence was so terrifying.

1:03:40.040 --> 1:03:43.380
<v Speaker 2>I do think that was the most scared I was

1:03:43.880 --> 1:03:46.240
<v Speaker 2>pretty much the whole movie. I think I might have

1:03:46.260 --> 1:03:49.120
<v Speaker 2>to agree with you, but it actually, to me, entering

1:03:49.180 --> 1:03:55.010
<v Speaker 2>the tunnel felt scarier. The amazing thing about this movie

1:03:55.470 --> 1:03:59.440
<v Speaker 2>is that it is such a love letter to video

1:03:59.460 --> 1:04:01.760
<v Speaker 2>games i mean i don't know actually if zach krieger

1:04:01.800 --> 1:04:03.700
<v Speaker 2>would say that um but it's.

1:04:03.700 --> 1:04:06.040
<v Speaker 1>I think he would i've seen some interviews with him

1:04:06.100 --> 1:04:08.480
<v Speaker 1>he's he's a big resident evil fan.

1:04:08.320 --> 1:04:11.580
<v Speaker 2>Okay the camera work is extremely video gamey and the

1:04:11.700 --> 1:04:14.840
<v Speaker 2>tropes of i'm gonna get this gun oh does it

1:04:14.860 --> 1:04:16.720
<v Speaker 2>have any bullets gotta find the bullets oh i've.

1:04:16.740 --> 1:04:19.820
<v Speaker 1>I loved i loved how often it was brought up

1:04:20.050 --> 1:04:21.640
<v Speaker 1>oh i need more ammo i need more.

1:04:21.720 --> 1:04:23.970
<v Speaker 2>Oh i got oh i'm gonna upgrade to a bigger

1:04:23.990 --> 1:04:25.750
<v Speaker 2>gun gotta find the bullets how do i use this

1:04:25.790 --> 1:04:28.900
<v Speaker 2>gun like it's like, it was so perfectly video gamey.

1:04:29.000 --> 1:04:33.820
<v Speaker 2>And also there were kind of like levels and bosses. The,

1:04:34.040 --> 1:04:37.240
<v Speaker 2>I also think something that's really perfect about this movie

1:04:37.280 --> 1:04:44.430
<v Speaker 2>and the horror franchise is that his absolute need to

1:04:44.610 --> 1:04:49.250
<v Speaker 2>make the worst choice every single time. So I was

1:04:49.270 --> 1:04:51.850
<v Speaker 2>like sitting in my chair, like, no, don't go.

1:04:51.730 --> 1:04:55.260
<v Speaker 1>Into that room. And for everyone around him, To make

1:04:55.360 --> 1:04:59.140
<v Speaker 1>the worst, most selfish choice. Yes. Which I do think leads,

1:04:59.220 --> 1:05:00.520
<v Speaker 1>we should, let's talk about the ending.

1:05:00.900 --> 1:05:04.700
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Well, just on the video, the other thing about

1:05:04.720 --> 1:05:12.140
<v Speaker 2>the video game-y-ness of it all is like, it introduced

1:05:12.220 --> 1:05:15.939
<v Speaker 2>so many different kinds of monsters that I think there's

1:05:15.980 --> 1:05:18.780
<v Speaker 2>kind of a something for everyone in this movie. Like,

1:05:19.300 --> 1:05:25.130
<v Speaker 2>no matter what you are afraid of, whether it's- Primarily tentacles. Yes, tentacles,

1:05:25.190 --> 1:05:28.090
<v Speaker 2>like big things, small things, creepy crawly things.

1:05:28.170 --> 1:05:28.630
<v Speaker 1>Babies.

1:05:29.070 --> 1:05:31.970
<v Speaker 2>Babies, little children.

1:05:32.170 --> 1:05:33.290
<v Speaker 1>Zombie rats.

1:05:33.830 --> 1:05:35.670
<v Speaker 2>Dogs, things that are more alien.

1:05:36.630 --> 1:05:39.910
<v Speaker 1>There was just a real, real good... The dog, that

1:05:39.930 --> 1:05:41.050
<v Speaker 1>was a really good jump scare.

1:05:41.070 --> 1:05:45.500
<v Speaker 2>The creature design was stunning. It was just really, really

1:05:45.520 --> 1:05:45.919
<v Speaker 2>well done.

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<v Speaker 1>So let's talk about the ending.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So again, spoiler alert. We are going to spoil the

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<v Speaker 1>end of this film.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes.

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<v Speaker 1>So the main character gets where he's been headed the

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<v Speaker 1>whole film. He has been bitten by one of the zombies,

1:06:03.470 --> 1:06:07.550
<v Speaker 1>so he is becoming infected. He gives this team of scientists,

1:06:07.720 --> 1:06:13.780
<v Speaker 1>led by that guy from Severance, what they need to

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<v Speaker 1>make the cure. and is sort of trying to unobtrusively

1:06:17.620 --> 1:06:20.890
<v Speaker 1>ask them to cure him without giving away that he

1:06:20.990 --> 1:06:25.430
<v Speaker 1>is rapidly turning into one of these creatures only to

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<v Speaker 1>through a series of like, you know, uh, mistakes and

1:06:31.810 --> 1:06:37.390
<v Speaker 1>unfortunate events. Uh, the, the final antidote gets, you know,

1:06:37.590 --> 1:06:42.260
<v Speaker 1>mishandled and lost. And he does become this like Uber monster, uh,

1:06:42.780 --> 1:06:45.740
<v Speaker 1>you know, sort of clinging on to his humanity as

1:06:45.880 --> 1:06:49.220
<v Speaker 1>much as he can while this like giant mouth is

1:06:49.380 --> 1:06:52.280
<v Speaker 1>opening in his stomach and fully eating people. It's like

1:06:52.420 --> 1:06:56.800
<v Speaker 1>really cool visuals. I really like all that. And I like, again,

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<v Speaker 1>spoiler alert, that he doesn't get cured and it ends

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<v Speaker 1>with him now being this huge tentacle monster. I love that.

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<v Speaker 2>What I did not like was that we were still

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<v Speaker 2>doing jokes up until the last minute of the film.

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<v Speaker 2>I like I just wanted to feel the stakes.

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<v Speaker 1>Of it all a little more. And I thought that

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<v Speaker 1>the over-reliance on humor and how annoying the scientists were

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<v Speaker 1>just like did color my enjoyment of the ending a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, my question to you is what's your relationship to

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<v Speaker 2>the horror comedy genre?

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<v Speaker 1>I typically don't love horror comedy. I like my horror.

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<v Speaker 2>I like horror.

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<v Speaker 1>I like comedy sprinkled in horror, but I don't like

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<v Speaker 1>a hard horror comedy.

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<v Speaker 2>So you don't like Jennifer's Body?

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<v Speaker 1>I like Jennifer's Body, but it's not in like the

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<v Speaker 1>upper echelon of horror movies for me. I prefer a.

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<v Speaker 2>Tense, terrifying... What about like Zombieland or like Shaun of the.

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<v Speaker 1>I think the closest... Shaun of the Dead.

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<v Speaker 2>Or Cabin in the Woods.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I like Cabin in the Woods. Probably the most

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<v Speaker 1>I've enjoyed a horror comedy is Evil Dead or Evil

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<v Speaker 1>Dead 2. But those films, I think, like, there is

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<v Speaker 1>a point in the film where the humor does kind

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<v Speaker 1>of stop.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. And I would say, like, by the time we're

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<v Speaker 1>at the third act, or maybe, like, truly, like, the

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<v Speaker 1>last 10 minutes... it's pretty much all scares, all stakes.

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<v Speaker 2>I found when I watch horror comedy, I find relief

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<v Speaker 2>in the comedy, right? So when the stakes of a

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<v Speaker 2>certain scary moment are happening, or when a certain jump

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<v Speaker 2>scare is like in our midst, or we're facing something

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<v Speaker 2>that looks really terrifying, to me, the horror comedy genre

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<v Speaker 2>offers the sweet relief of a punchline. And I honestly

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<v Speaker 2>don't really remember. I haven't seen those first two Evil

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<v Speaker 2>Dead movies.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, girl, you need to.

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<v Speaker 2>I need to.

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<v Speaker 1>You need to, especially because there's an evil dead haunted

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<v Speaker 1>house at Halloween horror nights. I'm going to put together

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<v Speaker 1>a syllabus of things you need to watch before Halloween.

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<v Speaker 2>Can I watch two without watching one? I don't really

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<v Speaker 2>want to watch.

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<v Speaker 1>You can actually, because two, um, basically they recap the

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<v Speaker 1>entire first film in like the opening five minutes of

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<v Speaker 1>the movie. So yeah, you can go straight to two.

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<v Speaker 1>And I do think two is the better movie.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Okay. Okay. Okay. That makes sense. Um, but like

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<v Speaker 2>when I, like cabin in the woods and zombie land, like,

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<v Speaker 2>Those are like, and Shaun of the Dead, like those

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<v Speaker 2>are like punchlines till the very end. And I like, well,

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<v Speaker 2>so then I think I'm, for me, going into critique

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<v Speaker 2>this film, I always want to try to accept a

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<v Speaker 2>film for what it's presenting to me. And I actually

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<v Speaker 2>do think you should consider maybe what you want. I

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<v Speaker 2>think you wanted maybe the film to be a slightly

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<v Speaker 2>different genre of Um, but also like, you know, Sure.

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<v Speaker 1>But I can still feel the way that I felt

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<v Speaker 1>about it. No, no, no.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just, you know, probing into it because I, I

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<v Speaker 2>did like, I just thought that this was such an

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<v Speaker 2>A plus film and I kind of thought you would

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<v Speaker 2>feel the same, but now I'm like hearing more about

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<v Speaker 2>like what you like hearing more about like what your

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<v Speaker 2>desire was, um, from the film's tone helps me understand

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<v Speaker 2>a bit about like maybe what I didn't, get or

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<v Speaker 2>did get out of it, you know? Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And I, I, I'm so happy that you enjoyed it

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<v Speaker 1>so much because I wasn't sure if you were going to,

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<v Speaker 1>we didn't see this together. Right. I, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>but between the two of us, I'm more into horror

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<v Speaker 1>and that might be like where the divide is because

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<v Speaker 1>I did go into this film because I had no

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<v Speaker 1>prior knowledge of resident evil really. expecting something that was

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<v Speaker 1>going to be more straight up scary. Right. And I

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<v Speaker 1>totally agree with you about the place.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a hard, it was a hard comedy. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I totally agree with you about the place of comedy

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<v Speaker 1>in horror. Like, because some of the most cathartic moments

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<v Speaker 1>in a horror movie are when something is so scary

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<v Speaker 1>that it becomes funny. Or when you smash cut to

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<v Speaker 1>something funny from something scary as Zach Krieger did, like,

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<v Speaker 1>geniusly in Barbarian, you know, with that quick cut to

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<v Speaker 1>Justin Long after like Bill Skarsgård gets like taken by the,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, big titted mommy. Like the laughter is such

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<v Speaker 1>a great way to relieve or build up tension in

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<v Speaker 1>a horror film. I just like, it got a little

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<v Speaker 1>annoying for me. It got a little hat on a

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<v Speaker 1>hat for me towards the end. And I can also

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<v Speaker 1>recognize that my experience was tinged by what was going

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<v Speaker 1>on in the theater.

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<v Speaker 2>Here's like another thing that I'll say is I think

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<v Speaker 2>that referencing his other films is like smart though, like

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<v Speaker 2>Barbarian and Weapons are not hard comedies. I would say

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<v Speaker 2>Barbarian has tons of jokes. I think Weapons has a

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<v Speaker 2>few jokes and a really funny ending. But this movie

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<v Speaker 2>is a hard comedy as a hard horror comedy, you know, genre.

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<v Speaker 2>The reason I want to give it so many flowers

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<v Speaker 2>is because I think about other horror comedies, and I'm like,

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<v Speaker 2>I actually like... This movie is so much better than, sorry,

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<v Speaker 2>Shaun of the Dead, Cabin in the Woods, Zombieland. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know. I remember loving those movies, but they did

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<v Speaker 2>not make me feel the way this movie made me feel.

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<v Speaker 2>I think... I wonder if there's a version of this movie...

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<v Speaker 2>that felt a little more like get out where get

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<v Speaker 2>out is like hard comedy set up. Um, really, really

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<v Speaker 2>fucking funny while also being really fucking scary. And then

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<v Speaker 2>the ending, the, like the, the kind of climax and

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<v Speaker 2>the latter portion of the film is like almost no comedy.

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it's all horror. It's all spooks.

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<v Speaker 1>Um, I mean, the end of Get Out is still

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<v Speaker 1>pretty funny. Like, when his friend comes to rescue him.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>There's still a lot of jokes right up until the end.

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<v Speaker 2>Right. And that's, like, such a perfect film to me.

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<v Speaker 2>But that film, you know, got an Oscar. And Resident

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<v Speaker 2>Evil's not getting any Oscar noms, I don't think.

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<v Speaker 1>And of Jordan Peele's films, I do prefer Us. Oh, right.

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<v Speaker 1>I prefer Us to Get Out. And Us, like, has

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<v Speaker 1>more of a, you know, serious kind of bummer ending.

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<v Speaker 1>And that is usually... what I'm looking for in horror.

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<v Speaker 1>And this movie does end like the, the hero dies,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, like, so it does end on like kind

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<v Speaker 1>of a sad note. I just like, I kind of

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<v Speaker 1>wanted the tone to match that. And I'm not saying

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<v Speaker 1>that it's a bad movie because it didn't, it just

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<v Speaker 1>like doesn't necessarily align with my personal taste, but I

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<v Speaker 1>still really enjoyed this movie. And I feel like this

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<v Speaker 1>is the kind of movie that, That's going to have

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of rewatchability for me.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes. I want to watch it again. I will watch

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<v Speaker 2>it again with you. Just as a quick aside, where

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<v Speaker 2>does Nope rank in your Jordan Peele ranking? If Us

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<v Speaker 2>is your favorite?

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<v Speaker 1>Us is my favorite. Nope has to be third, right?

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<v Speaker 1>For me, Nope is third. It's third, but it's a

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<v Speaker 1>close third because I really loved Nope.

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<v Speaker 2>I need to re-watch Us, honestly.

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<v Speaker 1>Us is incredible. Us is a masterpiece. Nope.

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<v Speaker 2>I think I need to re-watch as well, but it

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<v Speaker 2>was such a beautiful fucking film and Kiki's so fucking

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<v Speaker 2>good in it.

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