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Speaker 2: Joining us now is presidential candidate Vivek Ramaswami, fresh off
Speaker 2: of his debate appearance in Miami. Viveke, we wanted to
Speaker 2: get started with something that's been dominating the news cycle.
Speaker 2: There was a moment there between you and presidential candidate
Speaker 2: Nikki Haley. You called out her daughter using TikTok despite
Speaker 2: her criticizing you. There led to a moment where she
Speaker 2: called you scum. The moderators actually didn't give you a
Speaker 2: chance to respond. We're going to play that and we're
Speaker 2: going to give you the a chance to respond. Let's
Speaker 2: take a listen and we'll get your reaction.
Speaker 4: Well, I want to laugh at why Nicki Haley didn't
Speaker 4: answer your question, which is about looking at families in
Speaker 4: the eye. In the last debate, she made fun of
Speaker 4: me for actually joining TikTok while her own daughter was
Speaker 4: actually using the app for a long time.
Speaker 3: So you might want to take care of your family first.
Speaker 4: The next generation of Americans are using it, and that's
Speaker 4: actually the point.
Speaker 3: You have her supporters.
Speaker 5: You're crapping her up. That's fine, here's the truth. You're
Speaker 5: an easy answer.
Speaker 3: So what was your reaction to that moment?
Speaker 2: Vi vague into the kind of a broader ideological disagreement
Speaker 2: that erupted between the two of you all throughout last night.
Speaker 6: Look, I think that there's the ideological disagreement, which I
Speaker 6: think is more important. There's a personal dimension to this,
Speaker 6: at least to her. She's used four letter words to
Speaker 6: name call me in each of the last two debates.
Speaker 6: And you know what, for a Republican party that is
Speaker 6: for a long time talked about Hunter, Biden or otherwise.
Speaker 5: I think it's fair game for us.
Speaker 6: To talk about the issues of anybody running for US president.
Speaker 6: In this case, my criticism wasn't of her family or
Speaker 6: her daughter, though. It was a criticism of nicky out
Speaker 6: of touch as a generation to say, this is where
Speaker 6: young people are, and her utter obliviousness or lack of
Speaker 6: awareness of it was astounding to say that she's going
Speaker 6: to be sanctimonious lecturing families across this country about TikTok.
Speaker 5: It would be a gaping.
Speaker 6: Black hole not to observe that, even in your own community,
Speaker 6: in your own family, like so many young people across
Speaker 6: this country, being on TikTok is not a sin, but
Speaker 6: it's worth calling that out. And that's a symptom of
Speaker 6: a deeper ideological disagreement. You're right that I do have
Speaker 6: with her. I'm the only free speech absolutist on that stage.
Speaker 6: People like Nikki Haley Rona Santus as well advocate for
Speaker 6: censorship of views that they disagree with. If they disagree
Speaker 6: with the platform they think the right answers for Republicans
Speaker 6: to virtue signal not show up on that platform. I
Speaker 6: view things differently, and I think that this is a
Speaker 6: symptom of a deeper generational divide in the GOP. Same
Speaker 6: thing with respect to going to foreign wars that don't
Speaker 6: advance the American interest. Nikki Haley is on the other
Speaker 6: side of that generational divide, and the irony is that
Speaker 6: Visa v.
Speaker 5: Trump, she talks the need for generational change.
Speaker 6: The way I see it is that she's on the
Speaker 6: wrong side of the generational change that the Republican Party
Speaker 6: actually needs. She might have been an appropriate candidate back
Speaker 6: in two thousand and two or two thousand and four,
Speaker 6: not today. Out with the Nikki Halees of the past
Speaker 6: and onto the future.
Speaker 3: I want to pick up on that about the censorship.
Speaker 2: We really want to give you a chance to actually
Speaker 2: elucidate some of your thoughts, genuinely very standing out in
Speaker 2: terms of the rest of the stage. You know, we've
Speaker 2: had Chris Christie and others saying, you know, this crosses
Speaker 2: the line from free speech and the hate speech you
Speaker 2: mentioned Governor Ron de Santis there banning the students for
Speaker 2: Palestine moment, Why do you think it's important to speak
Speaker 2: up on this issue even though you ideologically believe that
Speaker 2: some of the statements made have been abhorrent.
Speaker 6: Oh, I definitely believe that many of those statements are abhorrent.
Speaker 6: And my first message to the rest of the GOP
Speaker 6: field is, you know, back when I was writing Woke
Speaker 6: in a few years ago, it wasn't popular to call
Speaker 6: out the hypocrisies of BLM or otherwise they were chanting
Speaker 6: death to America, death to white people, death to Christians.
Speaker 5: Now the chanting death Israel. It's wrong then, it's wrong now.
Speaker 6: But it is interesting where the people who are on
Speaker 6: their high horses today where they were three years ago
Speaker 6: or four years ago. The deeper point is this, though,
Speaker 6: We're a country where all opinions get to be expressed,
Speaker 6: no matter how heinous.
Speaker 5: That's what makes America itself.
Speaker 6: I mean, the thing that makes America the United States
Speaker 6: is our First Amendment that says that all opinions go,
Speaker 6: no matter how heinous. So we're not going to fix
Speaker 6: anti Semitism by telling people they can't express those opinions.
Speaker 6: I worry we would make the problem worse, actually creating
Speaker 6: a worse underbelly of toxic attitudes.
Speaker 5: Young people are lost.
Speaker 6: We need to lead them with actual leadership through example,
Speaker 6: not through censorship. And the American way is you know what,
Speaker 6: We're the country that said the Nazis could march in Skokie.
Speaker 5: That's the United States of America.
Speaker 6: That's different than European countries, it's different than other countries.
Speaker 5: Around the world. That's what makes America great.
Speaker 6: Though, And you mark my words for a conservative audience
Speaker 6: to really make the point if you, then, few years
Speaker 6: from now, want to go the direction of Ron de
Speaker 6: Santis or Nikki Haley and sensor views you don't disagree with.
Speaker 6: What do you think the other side is going to
Speaker 6: be doing? When it comes to somebody who questions the
Speaker 6: side effects of vaccines, you'll be able to bioterrorist. Somebody
Speaker 6: who says jasics peaceful protesters should be released from prison,
Speaker 6: where you're an insurrectionist terrorist. Somebody who says that you're
Speaker 6: a concerned parent showing up at a school board meeting,
Speaker 6: We've already seen it labeled domestic terrorists. So I don't
Speaker 6: think that censorship should be a partisan issue. The free
Speaker 6: speech crusade that conservatives have been on, we undermine our
Speaker 6: own case if we say that it depends on whether
Speaker 6: you agree with the underlying views. And so are those
Speaker 6: statements of college campus students and otherwise or students on
Speaker 6: college campuses heinous?
Speaker 5: In many cases, yes, they are.
Speaker 6: They're lost, and they're clueless about the Israel Hamas conflict.
Speaker 6: They don't have the first idea about it. But the
Speaker 6: right answer is to tell them they can't express themselves.
Speaker 6: That's anti American and I think it's unconstitutional when the
Speaker 6: likes of Ronda Says That are even calling for using
Speaker 6: government power to ban student groups on campus.
Speaker 1: Vivig, I want to say, obviously, you and I have
Speaker 1: a lot of differences. I've really appreciated your consistency that
Speaker 1: on this issue in particular, and I think it's been
Speaker 1: very rare, and it was nice to hear at least
Speaker 1: one person up on the stage last night articulating a
Speaker 1: clear vision of why free speech is important. I want
Speaker 1: to dig in a little bit more to you know,
Speaker 1: you said the statements of some college students are heinous,
Speaker 1: You've said they're abhorrent. Do you think that it's anti
Speaker 1: semitic to criticize the Israeli government? Do you think it's
Speaker 1: anti Semitics to criticize Zionism? Do you think it's anti
Speaker 1: semitic to call for a ceasefire?
Speaker 6: So I think that we have to be very careful,
Speaker 6: and I'm not one of these people that just slop
Speaker 6: willy throws around terms. We have enough anti Semitism that
Speaker 6: actually exists in the world that we don't need to
Speaker 6: manufacture more of it. I think more healthy debate on
Speaker 6: the merriage is good Frankly, look at talk to your
Speaker 6: friends in Israel as I have. Many of them are
Speaker 6: critical of the Israeli government. Many of them are appropriately
Speaker 6: critical of Bebe. If only the American press and the
Speaker 6: Republican Party here were as critical of the Israeli administration
Speaker 6: as many Israelis are in Israel, we could actually be
Speaker 6: having an open and honest debate, as we should.
Speaker 5: So here's my view.
Speaker 6: Israel has a right and responsibility to defend itself, and
Speaker 6: I think it's wrong. Forget the individual labels that you
Speaker 6: would use, but I would call it wrong, a defensive
Speaker 6: to try to create a false moral equivalence between Israel's
Speaker 6: right to defend itself and Israel's actual defense of its
Speaker 6: homeland with the Hamas attacks on Israel, which were subhuman,
Speaker 6: medieval and targeted civilians drawing any kind of force, false equivalents,
Speaker 6: as you see in the subtext of even some of
Speaker 6: the comments from Secretary General Guteras and others.
Speaker 5: That's dent wrong.
Speaker 6: So our role is the US, I think should be
Speaker 6: a diplomatic one at the UN or internationally or otherwise
Speaker 6: saying that Israel absolutely has the right and responsibility to
Speaker 6: defend itself, that was the founding vision of Israel. That's
Speaker 6: what David Ben Gurham that George Washington Israel would have said.
Speaker 6: That's what I think George Washington would have said if
Speaker 6: you were in the United States today, but without intervening
Speaker 6: militarily into somebody else's conflict, let Israel get their own
Speaker 6: job done.
Speaker 5: Yeah. So, just to want to answer your question a
Speaker 5: little bit more directly, sure.
Speaker 6: I'll talk about you know, you hear this discussion now
Speaker 6: coming about Palestinian genocide, right, and I think that's let's
Speaker 6: just get to the facts, right. I'm not going to
Speaker 6: use anti Semitic labels or anything else. Let's just get
Speaker 6: to the facts. I find that laughable because genocide refers
Speaker 6: to the elimination of a race of people. And so
Speaker 6: you have to contend with the fact that twenty percent
Speaker 6: of Israel's population is Palestinian. That's a greater percentage of
Speaker 6: Israel's population than Hispanics.
Speaker 5: Are blacks of the US population.
Speaker 6: And probably the place on Earth where Palestinians live the
Speaker 6: best life in terms of a quality of life perspective
Speaker 6: and as civic participant.
Speaker 5: Citizens is in Israel.
Speaker 6: So when the facts alone speak for themselves, that yes,
Speaker 6: a lot of these anti Israeli used on college campuses
Speaker 6: or elsewhere in Europe or elsewhere are deeply misguided.
Speaker 5: But we have to do it.
Speaker 6: If I may say this myself, the way I'm approaching
Speaker 6: this is win on the facts, win on the arguments,
Speaker 6: don't silence the expression of the views.
Speaker 1: So, Vivik, I'm sure you know there are international legal
Speaker 1: scholars who say what Israel's doing right now is a
Speaker 1: textbook case of genocide. But I want to ask you
Speaker 1: a different question, though, Do you believe that Israel is
Speaker 1: following the Geneva Conventions in there? I don't think any
Speaker 1: very few people will dispute they have a right to
Speaker 1: defend themselves. But do you think they are and do
Speaker 1: you think they should be following the Geneva Conventions and
Speaker 1: international rules of war as they are quote unquote defending themselves.
Speaker 6: I do think the nations should follow the rules of
Speaker 6: international war. I have not seen evidence that they're not
Speaker 6: following the rules.
Speaker 1: Let me offer let me offer some evidence. So one
Speaker 1: of the Geneva Conventions very clearly prohibits collective punishment. Right now,
Speaker 1: you have all of Gaza, all two point two million
Speaker 1: sum residents. You know, some hmas many innocent civilians, including
Speaker 1: women and children, who are under a collective siege. So
Speaker 1: barring you know, water, food, fuel, et cetera, medical supplies
Speaker 1: does not not amount to the violation of Geneva conventions.
Speaker 5: I don't think so.
Speaker 6: Those are broad standards, broad they define and Christal, I'm
Speaker 6: going to answer your question, but I want to be
Speaker 6: very clear what hat I'm wearing. I'm running for president
Speaker 6: of the United States, not Secretary General of the UN,
Speaker 6: not president of Israel or otherwise. And I've been very
Speaker 6: clear that the US should stay out of this militarily
Speaker 6: or otherwise. I think we have our isshes to worry
Speaker 6: about here at home. And so I'm not going to
Speaker 6: be one of these Republicans or Democrats that say, hey,
Speaker 6: write a small check to Israel, but then armchair quarterback
Speaker 6: what they do or don't do, or Monday morning quarterback
Speaker 6: the decision afterwards or backseat driver from here for what
Speaker 6: Israel should do. I'm not in that camp, and I'm
Speaker 6: at least consistent about it because I say we stay
Speaker 6: out in both directions. That being said, you're asking for
Speaker 6: my opinion, so I'm not speaking my capacity about what
Speaker 6: I would do a commander in chief. You're asking for
Speaker 6: my opinion. Those are broad standards, and as an observer,
Speaker 6: here's what I will say. I believe Israel is very
Speaker 6: clear about moving. First of all, where they're going to go,
Speaker 6: ask civilians, bea give a clear telegraph signal for civilians
Speaker 6: to protect themselves. I think that it is also telling
Speaker 6: that other Arab nations, I mean Egypt initially reluctant. I
Speaker 6: think that there's a lot lot of responsibility to go around.
Speaker 6: And so when I think about this from the standpoint
Speaker 6: of a leader who would defend the United States, what
Speaker 6: would we do. We would have to have a clearly
Speaker 6: deterrent effect. My rule of thumb is if you hit us,
Speaker 6: we will hit you back ten times harder.
Speaker 3: Let's let's follow up on that.
Speaker 6: And this is obviously it's fair to allow another country,
Speaker 6: and it's not even our job to allow or not allow, right,
Speaker 6: But I'm giving you my opinion.
Speaker 5: I'm an Antieter.
Speaker 1: Well, when we I mean when we fund them with
Speaker 1: the amount of aid dollars that we do. So, for example,
Speaker 1: right now on the table is an additional fourteen billion
Speaker 1: dollars in military aid. You're against it completely.
Speaker 3: Go ahead, articularly against it.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and so this is where I want to give
Speaker 6: you a sense I'm not in the standard axis here.
Speaker 6: I'm principled and consistent, you know, if I may say
Speaker 6: so myself on this. I think which is which is
Speaker 6: the fact that Israel has a right to defend itself,
Speaker 6: and I diplomatically stand for that, but this is not
Speaker 6: our war to fight, and I don't think it's good
Speaker 6: for Israel, and I don't think it's good for the
Speaker 6: United States for us to mudy those waters.
Speaker 5: So I viewed I said on the stage.
Speaker 6: I think last night there was a lot that went on,
Speaker 6: but I think I said this on stage, which is.
Speaker 5: I would tell BB you torch.
Speaker 6: The terrorists, smoke the terrorists on your southern border, and
Speaker 6: then I'm going to worry about our southern border in
Speaker 6: this country, in the United States of America. And you
Speaker 6: have our diplomatic support to do it over there, and
Speaker 6: I expect yours as we do it over here diplomatically.
Speaker 6: And I'm not going to ask for Israel's military resources
Speaker 6: to do it, and I'm not going to use ours
Speaker 6: to do it over there either. And my ultimatum to Iran,
Speaker 6: which I think will be successful, is you stay the
Speaker 6: hell out as long as we stay out as well.
Speaker 6: Let the IDF get its own job done. And that's
Speaker 6: how we prevent this from spreading to a broader war
Speaker 6: in the Middle East, and dare I say even a
Speaker 6: broader war globally, which I don't want to see.
Speaker 5: We're not going.
Speaker 6: To be interventionist, but that means in a couple of
Speaker 6: different directions, we can't just be also armchair quarterbacking what
Speaker 6: Israel does or.
Speaker 5: Does not do.
Speaker 6: Yes, it's the job of international bodies to look after
Speaker 6: whether international laws are followed. I'm not running for President
Speaker 6: of the ICJ, I'm not running for Secondary General of
Speaker 6: the UN. But as President of the United States, I
Speaker 6: think it's appropriate to provide them a diplomatic iron dome
Speaker 6: to prevent the UENT or the EU from unfairly getting
Speaker 6: in the way of responding the way we would respond
Speaker 6: if our own country were hiding.
Speaker 2: Well to get into that, Thovi bak As you said,
Speaker 2: you're talking about Iran. However, we're already seeing indications that
Speaker 2: Iranian proxies are escalating not just against Israel, but against
Speaker 2: the United States. So in this case, we've had IRGC
Speaker 2: elements or at least reportedly, who've attacked US troops on
Speaker 2: multiple bases in Iraq and in Syria. We have seen
Speaker 2: threats from Hezbolah and others to enter the war. In
Speaker 2: those scenarios and the one that's real world where US
Speaker 2: troops are being attacked, how would you respond to those attacks?
Speaker 2: And then secondary it has Bulah enters the war against Israel?
Speaker 3: What would your policy be as commander in chief?
Speaker 5: So a lot there.
Speaker 6: Let me address the first piece of debt first, good questions. So,
Speaker 6: so my view is if you hit us, you as
Speaker 6: a group, okay, like the group that hits us. If
Speaker 6: you hit us, we will hit you back ten times harder.
Speaker 6: If you're hitting US troops on you US bass, that
Speaker 6: is not okay, and we will have you pay hell
Speaker 6: as the consequence of it the group that actually hits us.
Speaker 6: This is against a broader backdrop saga of my view
Speaker 6: that we should not be in Syria or Iraq in
Speaker 6: the first place. We were told that we left or
Speaker 6: quietly suggested in the American popular understanding of it, that
Speaker 6: we left these places. Now we find out that our
Speaker 6: sons and daughters are still sitting targets in places that
Speaker 6: do not strategically advance the US interests. So I'm not
Speaker 6: going to say, you know, that's not a decision I
Speaker 6: would have made, and I would change that in the
Speaker 6: medium to long run. But in the meantime, if you
Speaker 6: hit us and you're that group, we will hit you.
Speaker 5: Back ten times harder.
Speaker 3: Okay, Now you.
Speaker 6: Got to be careful about the rules of proxy warfare
Speaker 6: because then you'll have Republican hawks saying that, oh that
Speaker 6: means you go preemptively strike Iran.
Speaker 5: Well, on that theory.
Speaker 6: Of proxy warfare, just because Iran is funding some group
Speaker 6: and then that group does a thing against Israel, then
Speaker 6: that gives the right to hit Iran. Just think about
Speaker 6: that logic, say in Ukraine, on that logic, that would
Speaker 6: give Russia right to hit the United States.
Speaker 5: That would be nonsense.
Speaker 6: And on those broken theories of proxy war engagement, that's
Speaker 6: what provides a path to World War three, which I
Speaker 6: want to keep us out of.
Speaker 5: And I believe that staying out.
Speaker 6: Of World War three right now is a vital US
Speaker 6: national interest, especially when our homeland is as vulnerable as
Speaker 6: it's ever been. And so I would redirect a lot
Speaker 6: more of our national defense spending, not to random presences
Speaker 6: in places like Syrian Rock, but to protecting our own
Speaker 6: homeland from everything from cyber attacks to super emp attacks,
Speaker 6: which yes, Iran could mount on the United States taking
Speaker 6: out electric grid, to nuclear missile defenses, to more basic
Speaker 6: missile defenses, to basic defenses of our border, to space
Speaker 6: based defenses. Nobody's talking about this. This is where the
Speaker 6: priorities actually need to be. And that's where my worldview
Speaker 6: would be as commander achieve focus on defence of the
Speaker 6: homeland stat of World War three, and let Israel get
Speaker 6: its own job done given the diplomatic iron dome, they need.
Speaker 3: To do it so Vivak.
Speaker 1: Of course, the reality is that you know, the bombs
Speaker 1: that are being dropped oftentimes on Palestinian civilians at this
Speaker 1: point are stamp made in America. And I wonder if
Speaker 1: you were that this fuels a security concern for our population,
Speaker 1: and if we're not breeding by allowing us to continue
Speaker 1: this indiscriminate response from Israel, if we're not breeding extremism
Speaker 1: and hatred toward our country that could both fuel you know,
Speaker 1: attacks on our troops, but also the type of terror
Speaker 1: that we experience from al Qaeda and ISIS and the like.
Speaker 6: That extremism exists, whether or not we're breeding it. I
Speaker 6: do worry about the threats to the United States, though
Speaker 6: seventy thousand special interest aliens crossing our southern border that
Speaker 6: were just the ones that were apprehended last year. I
Speaker 6: mean the day I visited the southern border about a
Speaker 6: month ago, the night before, there were two eleveniest men
Speaker 6: that had just been apprehended crossing. And for everyone who's apprehended,
Speaker 6: we don't know how many more, but we know there's
Speaker 6: a lot.
Speaker 5: More that weren't.
Speaker 6: And so yes, I think there are serious concerns, but
Speaker 6: the way we address that foremost is through actual border security,
Speaker 6: which we're missing both on our.
Speaker 5: Southern border and our northern border too.
Speaker 6: And so I don't think that we're going to convert
Speaker 6: people who are in of a jihadist mindset out of it.
Speaker 6: But I also think that we have to be we
Speaker 6: don't need to be going out of our way to
Speaker 6: increase those risks to ourselves as well. So again my view,
Speaker 6: I don't mean to be repetitive here. Let Israel defend itself,
Speaker 6: we stay out militarily. I think, even from a financial standpoint,
Speaker 6: my general rule of thumb is we're thirty four trillion.
Speaker 5: In national debt. We shouldn't be giving four and aid.
Speaker 6: It's certainly new elective for an aid to any country
Speaker 6: whose national debt per capita is less than ours.
Speaker 2: Last question to you, and this is on the electability front.
Speaker 2: The last time we spoke to you were the number
Speaker 2: two candidate in the race. We've seen a pretty major
Speaker 2: poll movement to Nikki Haley and with Ron DeSantis, you've
Speaker 2: kind of fallen out of that. What is your plan
Speaker 2: to close that up and to actually perform in Iowa
Speaker 2: and in New Hampshire?
Speaker 6: Yeah, bounced around. If you're number two and number four nationally.
Speaker 6: That the reality of UK politics. Horse race stuff. The
Speaker 6: other candidates, they're super PACs, have been flooding the airwaves
Speaker 6: with advertisements.
Speaker 5: We haven't done that until this week.
Speaker 6: My own campaign is going to be the one that's
Speaker 6: actually putting up ads in Iowa, New Hampshire. So we're
Speaker 6: competing to win. I think we're going to be successful.
Speaker 6: Nikki Haley hasn't faced the scrutiny. I'm going to just
Speaker 6: speak a hard truth, but I just think it's true.
Speaker 6: The mainstream media believes, I think for identitarian and for
Speaker 6: identity politic reasons, and even the Republican establishment, though they
Speaker 6: criticized identity politics, practices it all the time. I think
Speaker 6: that she has been shielded from a form of criticism
Speaker 6: and the things she's for letter names. She's been using
Speaker 6: the whole debate stage. But then you throw a criticism
Speaker 6: in reverse and suddenly she can't handle it. My view is,
Speaker 6: just because you have two X chromosomes doesn't mean you're
Speaker 6: immune from criticism for the corruption of selling off our
Speaker 6: foreign policy in your time in the un to become
Speaker 6: a military contractor, to become on the board of Boeing,
Speaker 6: who used back you scratched for years as a governor
Speaker 6: of South Carolina, collecting stock options in the middle of
Speaker 6: running a presidential campaign. Unprecedented as far as I know.
Speaker 6: You have Hillary Clinton's style, secretive speeches to foreign actors,
Speaker 6: making millions of dollars, going from being bankrupt in debt
Speaker 6: as a family becoming a multimillionaire. Republicans criticize Biden for this,
Speaker 6: but have been careful delicate about touching this around Nikki
Speaker 6: Haley and her family's issues. Well, if you're running for
Speaker 6: president of the United States, I think she's going to
Speaker 6: get that scrutiny. The media is not giving it to her.
Speaker 6: I gave it to her on that debate stage, and
Speaker 6: I'm just getting warmed up. And so I think when
Speaker 6: people see through that corruption, we're going to have a
Speaker 6: result here that puts us right back in that number
Speaker 6: two position. I think by you know, between the period
Speaker 6: between Io Caucus and Super Tuesday, and I expect to
Speaker 6: be the nominated.
Speaker 1: All right, I got I got a one last one
Speaker 1: for you. You made a quip about Dick Cheney and
Speaker 1: three inch heels last night. Are you a Ron De
Speaker 1: Santis heel truther?
Speaker 3: Yes or no?
Speaker 5: I said, there's two of them on stage. That's what
Speaker 5: I said.
Speaker 3: All right, all right, how tall are you to bank?
Speaker 5: For the record, I'm just short of six.
Speaker 3: Okay, all right, just short of six. There we go.
Speaker 2: So he's right in line with the with the average.
Speaker 2: All Right, we appreciate you joining us, sir, Thank you
Speaker 2: very much.
Speaker 5: Appreciate it.