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Speaker 3: Welcome to Stuff you Should Know, a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 1: Hey, and welcome to the podcast Good Buddy. I'm Josh Clark,

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Speaker 1: and there's Charles W. Chuck Bryant and Jerry's here too,

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Speaker 1: so that makes us a route tune an episode of

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Speaker 1: Stuff you Should Know?

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Speaker 2: Was there anything more thrilling as a child being on

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Speaker 2: the highway and getting that trucker to pull that horn change?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was very thrilling. You felt drunk with power,

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Speaker 1: didn't you?

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Speaker 4: Sort of that as a kid it was.

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Speaker 2: It was like, wow, like they paid attention to me

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Speaker 2: sort of, you know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, And the only time I ever tried that,

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Speaker 1: though the trucker flipped me off.

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Speaker 4: No really kidding. I totally bought that.

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Speaker 1: That would be a Josh Clark childhood story though for

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Speaker 1: sure it fit. Yeah, for sure. So was that it?

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Speaker 1: Is that all you wanted to talk about with truckers?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I know, I don't know if this

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Speaker 2: came specifically from a specific trucker as an idea, but

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Speaker 2: I know that we've gotten a few emails here and

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Speaker 2: there from long haul and regional shorthaul truckers that say

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Speaker 2: they listen to us, and you know that they're out

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Speaker 2: there and they'd love to hear something about it.

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Speaker 1: So to that, we say ten to four, ten to four.

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Speaker 4: Good.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, apparently stuff you should know is the greatest thing

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Speaker 1: that's ever happened to the trucking industry in the history

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Speaker 1: of the trucking industry. As far as the truckers who

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Speaker 1: listen to us, they're concerned. So hello out there, everybody

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Speaker 1: driving trucks listening to us. We appreciate you. In fact,

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Speaker 1: we appreciate you so much. We're doing a whole episode

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Speaker 1: on your industry. And it's one of those things, Chuck,

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Speaker 1: that I mean, you drive alongside truckers, you tell them

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Speaker 1: just a part of life. But it's definitely one of

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Speaker 1: those things that if it goes wrong, it becomes apparent

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Speaker 1: whole world runs on commercial trucking. That's how stuff gets

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Speaker 1: moved around. Yes, we move stuff by sea, that's true,

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Speaker 1: the vast majority of stuff that goes from a factory

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Speaker 2: I think the Grabster helped us with this, and I

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Speaker 2: think he found a stat that said that long haul

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Speaker 2: trucking carries about seventy percent by weight of everything that

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Speaker 1: Yeah, eleven billion tons of freight in a year. I

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Speaker 1: saw that maybe about six hundred billion dollars. That's how

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Speaker 1: They they've allowed it. Like as trucking is advanced, it's

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's why, even though it can be frustrating,

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Speaker 2: Something tells me he's German, I think so. And he

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Speaker 1: Yeah, if you've ever seen a naked semi driving along

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Speaker 1: Literally that's my understanding, all.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. I mean, if you ate like a swordfish steak

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Speaker 4: have said that the eighteenth sixties. Let me try that again.

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Speaker 2: If you ate swordfish Until's Oklahoma in the nineteen twenties,

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Speaker 4: You're lucky to be alive. Anyway, If you're alive, then.

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Speaker 1: I think Swordfish in Tulsa is a great album.

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Speaker 4: Oh man, Aaron Cooper get busy.

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Speaker 1: So I guess we're trying to say here is that

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, truck farming started a couple of

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Speaker 1: Right, And that's another example, like you can haul a

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Speaker 1: another big, one, huge, huge change not just in trucking

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Speaker 1: The closest we came to was the floaty friendly floaties,

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Speaker 4: Aren't there still long shoremen?

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Speaker 2: They just like now, they just managed the loading and

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Speaker 5: Now.

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Speaker 1: That's also apparently so that's what's called detention time pay

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Speaker 2: Well, and just to put a button on this, I

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Speaker 2: And then they came back and said, oh, well, we

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Speaker 2: paying that even because that's not true. Yeah, but if

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Speaker 1: Bucks, right, Yeah, No, it's rible. So how did it end?

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Speaker 4: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: They've ignored me since I sent in these text messages

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Speaker 1: Yeah. That's really terrible.

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Speaker 4: I'd never been able to look in the What you did?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, some of them are. Basically they cut the mid

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Speaker 4: You know, what's comfy is that seat?

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Speaker 1: Utah that weighed four hundred tons apiece. That's so big,

441
00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:20,600
Speaker 1: that's enormous.

442
00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:22,480
Speaker 4: That's is that.

443
00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:26,040
Speaker 1: It's seventeen trillion billion ounces.

444
00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:30,400
Speaker 2: If you and we'll get into the you know, whether

445
00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:32,200
Speaker 2: or not you work for a company that gives you

446
00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:36,000
Speaker 2: a truck, or whether or not you're a freelance you know,

447
00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:40,040
Speaker 2: Devil may care independent, I don't need any friends anyway.

448
00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:43,840
Speaker 4: What do you call them? Just an independent trucker.

449
00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:46,959
Speaker 1: There's another name for him, no, I think they're owner operators,

450
00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:48,879
Speaker 1: is yeah, owner operators. Okay, yeah, that's what I was

451
00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:49,280
Speaker 1: looking for.

452
00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:53,440
Speaker 2: But if you are throwing down cash on just that

453
00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:56,880
Speaker 2: that you know, tractor part, that front part, you can

454
00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:58,560
Speaker 2: pay a couple of hundred grand. You could pay more

455
00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:00,920
Speaker 2: than that if you get the you know, the deluxe ones,

456
00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:04,720
Speaker 2: if you get amused you know, twenty thirty fifty up

457
00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:07,800
Speaker 2: to one hundred and fifty. But these things are an

458
00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:10,040
Speaker 2: investment because it's not like a car.

459
00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:12,320
Speaker 4: These these trucks are meant.

460
00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:15,720
Speaker 2: To go for you know, eight nine hundred to over

461
00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:19,880
Speaker 2: a million miles sometimes and they say, at about seven

462
00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:23,320
Speaker 2: hundred thousand miles, maybe you should get that engine rebuilt.

463
00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:25,960
Speaker 1: One of the other things about those engines is they've

464
00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:29,840
Speaker 1: they've are diesel engines, like diesel is just they're bigger engines,

465
00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:32,800
Speaker 1: and they can haul more, they can accelerate using heavy

466
00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:35,400
Speaker 1: loads faster. They're just better for that kind of thing.

467
00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:38,360
Speaker 1: But the problem is diesel is so dirty that if

468
00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:41,480
Speaker 1: you have a diesel car or truck in a state

469
00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:44,199
Speaker 1: that requires emissions checks, they don't even bother with you

470
00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:46,240
Speaker 1: because you have diesel, because you're going to fail the

471
00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:50,160
Speaker 1: emissions inspection In two thousand and six, the EPA said

472
00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:51,919
Speaker 1: enough is enough. We're going to try to do what

473
00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:54,880
Speaker 1: we can with diesel, and they basically force the industry

474
00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:58,159
Speaker 1: to come up with ultra low sulfur diesel, which really

475
00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:02,239
Speaker 1: helps cut down on the greenhouse gas. And yet despite that,

476
00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:09,639
Speaker 1: between twoenty twenty and nineteen ninety the amount of CO

477
00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:13,920
Speaker 1: two released by the trucking industry increased by eighty percent.

478
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:18,879
Speaker 1: Despite those gains in efficiency, they still there's so many

479
00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:22,639
Speaker 1: trucks out there now that they added an extra eighty

480
00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:26,960
Speaker 1: percent of CO two. So electric semis just cannot come

481
00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:27,879
Speaker 1: fast enough.

482
00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:29,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, but yeah, it will happen.

483
00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:33,000
Speaker 1: It probably will, or it certainly will someday, but who

484
00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:34,719
Speaker 1: knows exactly when is the question?

485
00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:39,840
Speaker 2: Speaking of electric and kind of cool stuff, I went

486
00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:42,400
Speaker 2: back in January. I went to the boat show, yeah,

487
00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:44,719
Speaker 2: which I had never been to a boat show. I've

488
00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:45,960
Speaker 2: been to one car show in my life.

489
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:48,120
Speaker 1: Oh, jump, indell, you've never been to a boat show.

490
00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:50,920
Speaker 1: Aren't they fascinating? It's like this sleep was awesome cab

491
00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:54,080
Speaker 1: in a semi, but in a boat it.

492
00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:54,560
Speaker 4: Was pretty cool.

493
00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:56,360
Speaker 2: It's fun to look, you know, walk around on those

494
00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:58,720
Speaker 2: like enormous boats that you would never get to, you know,

495
00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:02,040
Speaker 2: ride on much less buy. But there's one company that

496
00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:04,360
Speaker 2: was making there's a lot of companies making some electric

497
00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:07,040
Speaker 2: boats now, but there was one that made these like

498
00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:12,080
Speaker 2: super duper like old school Chrisscraft looking boats but long,

499
00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:15,760
Speaker 2: like twenty five footers that are all electric. That are

500
00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:17,919
Speaker 2: it was like three hundred and fifty grand. It was

501
00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:21,000
Speaker 2: one of the most beautiful machines I've ever seen. And

502
00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:23,200
Speaker 2: I asked the guy, I was like, what what does

503
00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:25,560
Speaker 2: it sound like out there? And he went, all you

504
00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:26,320
Speaker 2: hear is the water.

505
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:29,040
Speaker 1: Oh man, that's cool.

506
00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:31,919
Speaker 2: He said, you can hear like, you know, some sound,

507
00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:34,640
Speaker 2: but he said it's it's basically like the sounds of water,

508
00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:36,919
Speaker 2: because that's one of the problems with those big boats is.

509
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:39,760
Speaker 1: Just like, oh that's all you here. You can't talk

510
00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:40,720
Speaker 1: or anything anyway like that.

511
00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:43,040
Speaker 4: Go go go electric.

512
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:47,640
Speaker 1: So that's pretty much the trucks, Like we said, there's

513
00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:51,800
Speaker 1: a bunch of different types of trailers, flatbeds, refrigerator like

514
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:56,680
Speaker 1: low boys I think is one. Because you have all

515
00:26:56,680 --> 00:27:00,800
Speaker 1: sorts of height regulations, weight restrictions, there's a lot that

516
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:03,720
Speaker 1: that is kind of laid over the trucking industry for

517
00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:06,320
Speaker 1: good reason, because you don't want a truck taking out

518
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:10,639
Speaker 1: a bridge when it drives under it. No, but the

519
00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:14,280
Speaker 1: business as a whole, it's kind of fascinating in its

520
00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:15,800
Speaker 1: own right too, if you ask me.

521
00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:22,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, like we mentioned before just a minute ago, sometimes

522
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:25,440
Speaker 2: you work for a company that we'll say, here's your truck,

523
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:28,320
Speaker 2: here's your keys, we got our own fleet that we'll maintain,

524
00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:31,800
Speaker 2: and we'll pay forward and all that stuff. Very rarely

525
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:36,840
Speaker 2: you will be earning a base salary. It's exceedingly rare

526
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:39,080
Speaker 2: from what we found it. It's generally a pay by

527
00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:41,760
Speaker 2: the mile gig, whether or not you work for a

528
00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:44,360
Speaker 2: company or if you're an independent owner operator.

529
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:46,000
Speaker 4: But that is the other method.

530
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:48,040
Speaker 2: You can say, all right, I'm going to go buy

531
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:51,560
Speaker 2: my own thing, or at least my own tractor. But

532
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:54,920
Speaker 2: then you know, I'm my own business. I gotta get

533
00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:58,239
Speaker 2: these jobs. I gotta track them down. I gotta, you know,

534
00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:01,199
Speaker 2: figure out the scheduling of make making sure that I

535
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:03,320
Speaker 2: can get another job on the heels for this one,

536
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:07,760
Speaker 2: or ideally a return trip from where I just drop

537
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:10,879
Speaker 2: something off. There's a lot of figuring out to do.

538
00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:13,520
Speaker 2: You got to pay your own expenses, you have to

539
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:16,000
Speaker 2: I mean, you are a business that all comes out

540
00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:17,680
Speaker 2: of your pocket, and you got to figure out how

541
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:22,159
Speaker 2: to make that all work. And there are it's not

542
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:23,959
Speaker 2: like the old days, like where you were just on

543
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:27,120
Speaker 2: the telephone trying to call and get routes or as

544
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:30,879
Speaker 2: we'll see, actually purchase routes from people, which is happening

545
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:33,600
Speaker 2: in the seventies. Now they have like websites and apps

546
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:36,000
Speaker 2: and things where you can get hooked up with routes,

547
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:39,040
Speaker 2: and it's a lot easier now, but I imagine there's

548
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:41,440
Speaker 2: still quite a bit of work that goes into your

549
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:43,240
Speaker 2: scheduling and your planning and all that stuff.

550
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:48,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, and depending on how often you're willing to drive,

551
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:50,280
Speaker 1: how far you're willing to drive, how long you're willing

552
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:53,040
Speaker 1: to stay out, a trucker will typically stay away from

553
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:56,880
Speaker 1: home for four to six weeks. Yeah, two at a minimum.

554
00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:59,240
Speaker 1: From what I can understand, it's basically not worth going

555
00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:02,160
Speaker 1: out for anything less than two. For over the road truckers.

556
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:04,160
Speaker 1: And I don't know if we said at the outset

557
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:07,880
Speaker 1: specifically over the road truckers or long haul truckers. That's

558
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:12,320
Speaker 1: the one in the same term that describes truckers who

559
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:16,720
Speaker 1: drive a minimum two hundred and fifty miles below that

560
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:20,680
Speaker 1: is regional and short haul trucking. That includes less than

561
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:24,360
Speaker 1: truckload trucking, which is like a delivery truck or delivery

562
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:26,400
Speaker 1: van like FedEx.

563
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:31,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, my old across the street neighbor was an OTR

564
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 2: trucker and very nice guy, but we would you know,

565
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:39,720
Speaker 2: sometimes that tractor was parked in his kind of front yard, right,

566
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:42,800
Speaker 2: and many times most times it wasn't, you know.

567
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:45,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, for sure. That's a huge part of it

568
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:48,400
Speaker 1: is you're away from your family, and you have to

569
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:51,760
Speaker 1: have a very patient, understanding family that is willing to

570
00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:53,480
Speaker 1: be like, okay, see in a month and a half

571
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 1: while you're out on the road, you know, making money,

572
00:29:57,200 --> 00:29:59,479
Speaker 1: especially if you're an owner operator. That just sounds so

573
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:00,360
Speaker 1: stressful to me.

574
00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:03,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's like any freelance gig. I imagine it's

575
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:07,280
Speaker 2: pretty stressful. But while I don't know this for sure,

576
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:10,800
Speaker 2: I imagine that you get like a lot of freelance gigs,

577
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:13,240
Speaker 2: you get hooked into a sort of a regular thing

578
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:15,880
Speaker 2: and it's not like, boy, I don't know if I'm

579
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:18,560
Speaker 2: gonna have a route on next week, you know, like

580
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:20,800
Speaker 2: you probably get these sort of regular routes and regular

581
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:24,840
Speaker 2: jobs as long as they last, of course, But that's.

582
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:26,920
Speaker 4: Just me sort of speculating, But I bet that's the case.

583
00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:30,760
Speaker 1: Well, they also now today they've taken basically dating apps

584
00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:34,160
Speaker 1: and turned them into apps that connect truckers to loads

585
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:37,560
Speaker 1: that need to be hauled one so one way or

586
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:40,000
Speaker 1: the other. Exactly. One app is called one two three

587
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:44,720
Speaker 1: load Board, and there's a bunch of other ones. So

588
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:48,520
Speaker 1: it's not it's gotten exponentially easier to find a load

589
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:52,280
Speaker 1: exactly where you, you know, are dropping one off. Because

590
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:55,000
Speaker 1: anytime you're driving around, like you said, you're dead heading

591
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:58,840
Speaker 1: without it, without a load, you're just you're just wasting money,

592
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 1: like you're you're not only wasting money, you're also wasting

593
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:04,680
Speaker 1: time away from your family too. I'm sure that just hurts,

594
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:04,959
Speaker 1: you know.

595
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:08,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm just I'm sorry. I'm still thinking of the

596
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 2: thirteen different jokes I came up for trucking app names.

597
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 2: What can we hear any none of them? Oh okay,

598
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:18,800
Speaker 2: they're all dirty, every single one.

599
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:21,760
Speaker 1: Text to me then okay, okay, sure. So one of

600
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:25,280
Speaker 1: the other things, too, is all the unpaid hours that

601
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:28,720
Speaker 1: they have to deal with. Yeah, there's like we said,

602
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:33,160
Speaker 1: there's that detention time, which is downtime, whether it's government

603
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 1: enforced downtime because there's regulations about how how much you

604
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 1: can drive over how much time period. There's downtime where

605
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:44,480
Speaker 1: you know you're just going to pick up or deliver

606
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:46,520
Speaker 1: the load and they're backed up, so you have to

607
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:49,200
Speaker 1: sit there and wait. Sometimes I saw a day and

608
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:53,760
Speaker 1: a half once where you're just sitting there not getting paid. Yeah,

609
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:56,520
Speaker 1: there's times where you know, if you want to stop

610
00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:59,600
Speaker 1: and eat, that's downtime too, and a lot of times

611
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:02,320
Speaker 1: you just not paid for that at all. Apparently the

612
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:08,480
Speaker 1: Biden administration made getting better treatment for truckers like a priority,

613
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:11,720
Speaker 1: and one of those things was getting like basically getting

614
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:15,320
Speaker 1: rid of unpaid detention time. It's just so on its

615
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:20,040
Speaker 1: face unfair. That's it's just a flaw of the industry

616
00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:22,760
Speaker 1: that's actually keeping a lot of people from making a

617
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:23,480
Speaker 1: career of it.

618
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:26,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, And like you said, there are a

619
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:28,719
Speaker 2: lot of reasons why you might be waiting around and

620
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:31,640
Speaker 2: even though you may not be required to like help

621
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:35,040
Speaker 2: even load and unload, sometimes you're doing that just because

622
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:37,880
Speaker 2: you want to get on the road quicker, because you

623
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:39,880
Speaker 2: know you earn more money and you're you know, you're

624
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:40,480
Speaker 2: away from home.

625
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:41,400
Speaker 4: You just want to get done.

626
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:46,920
Speaker 2: Speaking of the regulations for hours, the Federal Motor Carrier

627
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:52,480
Speaker 2: Safety Administration, these days, the limit is eleven hours behind

628
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:57,800
Speaker 2: the wheel ten hours off and because of that, and

629
00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 2: we heard I remember emails from trucker couples.

630
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:03,840
Speaker 4: A lot of people pair up.

631
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:06,000
Speaker 2: To do their truck in so they can kind of

632
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:09,880
Speaker 2: just go NonStop or you know, almost NonStop and switch

633
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:13,560
Speaker 2: off driving. And a lot of these are like actual couples,

634
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:16,920
Speaker 2: like you know, people that have gotten together and said

635
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 2: I would I love you and you love me. Let's

636
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:21,440
Speaker 2: make a life together, and let's drive this truck together.

637
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:24,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, unless you're married. I don't think it makes much

638
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:28,920
Speaker 1: sense economically because you're sharing whatever rate you're getting for

639
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:30,600
Speaker 1: the for the hall, right.

640
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:34,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, but you can drive twice as much.

641
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:36,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you're still so you're driving twice as much,

642
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:39,120
Speaker 1: but you get half of that. So it's the same

643
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 1: I would think as driving alone now.

644
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:46,000
Speaker 2: Because it's basically like if you're driving eleven hours and

645
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:49,560
Speaker 2: your wife's in another truck driving eleven hours, you're doubling

646
00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:52,240
Speaker 2: your money, and that's essentially what you're doing because instead

647
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:54,800
Speaker 2: of having to wait that eleven hours someone else is driving,

648
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:58,320
Speaker 2: So I don't like to you're earning two wages in

649
00:33:58,360 --> 00:33:59,200
Speaker 2: one truck.

650
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:04,080
Speaker 1: Yes, but okay, So to keep this from devolving into

651
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 1: a crossword esque conversation, I'm just gonna stay like totally,

652
00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 1: I gotcha. But back on the regulations. You said that

653
00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:14,920
Speaker 1: you can't drive for more than eleven hours before you

654
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 1: need a ten hour off, like mandatory ten hours off

655
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:22,920
Speaker 1: to rest that also takes place within a certain time.

656
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:26,400
Speaker 1: You can't stretch those ten hours beyond fourteen hours, So

657
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 1: you can't go fourteen hours without taking ten hours to rest.

658
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:34,840
Speaker 1: And then you can't drive more than seventy hours in

659
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:37,840
Speaker 1: a seven day week or eighty hours an eight day week,

660
00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:41,480
Speaker 1: and you can't go beyond eight consecutive days of driving

661
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:46,680
Speaker 1: unless you take thirty four hours off afterward, which resets everything.

662
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:49,520
Speaker 1: Did you get all that?

663
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:50,640
Speaker 4: Sure?

664
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:53,399
Speaker 1: But I mean you have to keep up with all

665
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:55,120
Speaker 1: of that. And not only not only do you have

666
00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:57,920
Speaker 1: to plan like where you're you're taking your load and

667
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:00,600
Speaker 1: picking up your next load and try to figure out

668
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 1: the best place to get fuel for the cheapest and

669
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:05,480
Speaker 1: YadA YadA, you also have to figure out exactly when

670
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:08,520
Speaker 1: you're going to sleep, strategically, you don't want to just

671
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:10,440
Speaker 1: be like, oh man, I ran up against my wall.

672
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:11,960
Speaker 1: I've got to pull over here on the side of

673
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:13,920
Speaker 1: the road and sleep for ten hours. You have to

674
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:16,160
Speaker 1: plan that kind of stuff. So not only are you

675
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:19,960
Speaker 1: working with logistitions, you have to be a certain amount

676
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 1: of a logistition yourself to drive a semi.

677
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:24,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you got to map out all those roadside

678
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:25,720
Speaker 2: attractions you gotta see.

679
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:29,120
Speaker 1: You want to see the biggest ball of aluminum foil.

680
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:30,919
Speaker 1: You gotta plan that kind of thing.

681
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 2: All right, let's take our second break, and uh, we

682
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:38,000
Speaker 2: got a lot more to talk about, which is a

683
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:40,880
Speaker 2: lot to do with trucking, and we'll start again in

684
00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:41,600
Speaker 2: two minutes.

685
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:58,720
Speaker 5: Well, now we're on the road, driving in your truck.

686
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:02,560
Speaker 5: Want to learn a thing two from Josh Chuck.

687
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:04,359
Speaker 1: It's stuff you should know.

688
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:11,400
Speaker 4: All right, all right, let's talk about CBS.

689
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:15,440
Speaker 2: Okay, we talked about them on our Ham Radio podcast,

690
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:19,360
Speaker 2: and we'll get into the sort of the seventies CBE

691
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:24,320
Speaker 2: craze here in a little bit. But truckers still sometimes

692
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 2: communicate by CBE. There's a lot better technologies out there

693
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 2: now and a lot of truckers apparently say that the

694
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:34,600
Speaker 2: CBE band has become you know, pretty toxic, a lot

695
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:37,279
Speaker 2: of road ragers and people just sort of spouting off

696
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:38,560
Speaker 2: on their soapbox about things.

697
00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:43,200
Speaker 4: But apparently about a third of truckers still.

698
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:46,320
Speaker 2: Do use them to check out like highway conditions and

699
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:49,480
Speaker 2: stuff like that, or if they're on a like a

700
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 2: team with other drivers, you know, for a company like Oversize. Yeah, yeah,

701
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:57,279
Speaker 2: to communicate with them. But I imagine, you know, cell

702
00:36:57,280 --> 00:37:00,000
Speaker 2: phones and stuff and apps have replaced a lot of that. Yeah,

703
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:02,240
Speaker 2: it sounds like to the tune of about seventy percent.

704
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:06,200
Speaker 2: And then we need to talk about truck stops because

705
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:11,160
Speaker 2: these used to be ubiquitous and it was a you know,

706
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:13,080
Speaker 2: it was more than just a place to park and sleep.

707
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:15,960
Speaker 2: It was a respite, a place to socialize sometimes and

708
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 2: get a shower, maybe play a little video poker, or

709
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:23,799
Speaker 2: backcammon and backcammon and get a meal. But apparently the

710
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:26,879
Speaker 2: a lot of big chains have bought up a lot

711
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:31,360
Speaker 2: of these independent truck stops, and you know, when that happens,

712
00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:34,719
Speaker 2: a lot of times they will be closed because maybe

713
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:37,040
Speaker 2: they aren't as busy as they should be, or the

714
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:39,560
Speaker 2: amenities are just not kept up like they should be

715
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:42,480
Speaker 2: because they're not taking individual pride is like their own

716
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:43,480
Speaker 2: little business.

717
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:45,480
Speaker 1: Or they shave awful lot of the amenities to and

718
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:46,200
Speaker 1: pair them down.

719
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:47,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly.

720
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 2: So not only can you not get free overnight parking

721
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:55,840
Speaker 2: as much anymore, but you know, shipping lots and grocery

722
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:58,239
Speaker 2: store parking lots you can't park there, so you're having

723
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:00,799
Speaker 2: to park, pay to park and sleep at a lot

724
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:02,880
Speaker 2: of these now. And like you said, a lot of

725
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 2: them now like don't even have the showers and stuff

726
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:09,000
Speaker 2: like that, but there are some. I think the Travel

727
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 2: Centers of America is one company that still is trying

728
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:16,399
Speaker 2: to promote like not only like hygiene and having good

729
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:19,359
Speaker 2: showers and stuff, but fitness as well. Yeah, with their

730
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:22,800
Speaker 2: Stay Fit program, which has like medical clinics and fitness

731
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:24,680
Speaker 2: centers and stuff, which is a huge deal.

732
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 1: Yeah. And the reason why you would want a fitness

733
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:29,680
Speaker 1: center is because of something the rest of us who

734
00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 1: don't drive trucks probably overlook. If you're in a semi

735
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:36,640
Speaker 1: and you're on a hall, say across country, you're stuck

736
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:39,480
Speaker 1: to the highway, you're not allowed to get off the

737
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 1: highway and go drive to the grocery store, or go

738
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:45,360
Speaker 1: drive to the gym, or go drive to get your

739
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:48,759
Speaker 1: rotten tooth fixed, because it's driving you crazy, Like you

740
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:52,920
Speaker 1: have to find a specific designated place to park, usually

741
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:57,080
Speaker 1: either a rest stop or a truck stop, and say

742
00:38:57,120 --> 00:38:59,200
Speaker 1: like take an uber if you want, or a lyft

743
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:04,560
Speaker 1: less sinisterly that. Yes, that adds up very quickly too,

744
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 1: so you don't normally do that. So you really do

745
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 1: depend on truck stops to have all the stuff you

746
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:13,320
Speaker 1: need laundry, showers, and then nicer things like a place

747
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:16,000
Speaker 1: to kind of like get some fitness or get some exercise,

748
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:19,280
Speaker 1: or get a decent sit down meal. And another problem

749
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:21,839
Speaker 1: that they're running into is that these truck stops are

750
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 1: having fewer and fewer sit down diners and replacing them

751
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:29,560
Speaker 1: more and more with fast food. So you have really

752
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:32,359
Speaker 1: limited choices and trying to take care of yourself. It's

753
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:37,320
Speaker 1: really hard to stay fit and healthy as a trucker.

754
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:40,080
Speaker 1: You can do it, but you have to really try

755
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:40,960
Speaker 1: hard to do that.

756
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:44,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, and this is obviously if you're an owner operator.

757
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:47,719
Speaker 2: It's on you to figure this out by either you know,

758
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:52,400
Speaker 2: hopefully planning stops near like public parks maybe or walking

759
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:54,759
Speaker 2: trails or somewhere where you can get a little bit

760
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:58,760
Speaker 2: of exercise. There are companies that have their own fleets

761
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:01,319
Speaker 2: that are some are doing more than others. In this

762
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:04,799
Speaker 2: one article you sent, there's a company called Schneider that

763
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:08,840
Speaker 2: has i think right now forty Schneider operating centers in

764
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:12,239
Speaker 2: the US that have you know, they're like twenty four seven,

765
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:16,440
Speaker 2: three sixty five. They have showers and laundry and cafes

766
00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:20,200
Speaker 2: and fitness rooms and stuff like that. Yeah, and you know,

767
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:23,359
Speaker 2: that's a smart thing because if you're even if it

768
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:25,640
Speaker 2: just comes down to financials, and we've talked about this

769
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:28,920
Speaker 2: stuff before, like the cost of healthcare to a company.

770
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:33,719
Speaker 2: If they let their employees you know, you know, get

771
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:37,360
Speaker 2: diabetes in their forties or whatever, that costs a company

772
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:40,000
Speaker 2: a lot of money and insurance. So it really behooves

773
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:41,880
Speaker 2: them to keep their truckers a little more fit and

774
00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:42,880
Speaker 2: healthy and happy.

775
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:45,840
Speaker 1: Right, But if you're an owner operator, independent, they couldn't

776
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:48,040
Speaker 1: care less. So just go ahead and meet whatever you want.

777
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:49,799
Speaker 1: And you don't need these fitness centers if you don't

778
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:52,359
Speaker 1: want them kind of things. So there's one other thing

779
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:54,920
Speaker 1: that we overlook that's a big part of a truck

780
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:59,120
Speaker 1: stop and that's a restroom, a bathroom. Yeah, you might think, well,

781
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:01,759
Speaker 1: like the other's bathroom everywhere. If you're a truck driver,

782
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:05,239
Speaker 1: you're usually not allowed to use the bathroom at the

783
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:07,680
Speaker 1: place where you pick up whatever you're hauling and drop

784
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:10,680
Speaker 1: off whatever you're hauling, Like they just won't let you

785
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:13,840
Speaker 1: use the bathroom. And that's a huge issue too. Yes,

786
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:17,280
Speaker 1: it's an enormous issue. And like you might be sitting

787
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:21,000
Speaker 1: there for hours waiting to get loaded or unloaded and

788
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:23,520
Speaker 1: they're just like, sorry, there's no bathroom here for you.

789
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:26,680
Speaker 1: And again, you can't go drive somewhere to the bathroom.

790
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:30,200
Speaker 1: So that's another thing again that the Biden administration is

791
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:34,600
Speaker 1: taking on to make bathrooms like to basically force through

792
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:39,279
Speaker 1: federal law, like grocery stores and distribution centers to let

793
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:41,759
Speaker 1: truckers use their bathroom if they want to.

794
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:44,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, well and not to get to you know, like

795
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:47,360
Speaker 2: drilled down on this. But if if you can't go

796
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:49,360
Speaker 2: to the bathroom as readily as you should, you're probably

797
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:50,399
Speaker 2: not hydrating like you should.

798
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:52,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a big and again this all leads to

799
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 4: poor health. I'm I'm glad that something's being done about

800
00:41:57,040 --> 00:41:57,560
Speaker 4: some of the stuff.

801
00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:02,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, because we're we not really we, but we allow

802
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:05,960
Speaker 1: the people who are keeping the lifeblood of the economy

803
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:11,160
Speaker 1: going to be mistreated widely in their industry, like their

804
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:14,319
Speaker 1: companies mistreat them, like in the whole industry as a

805
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:18,279
Speaker 1: whole is generally slanted toward squeezing as much as you

806
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:20,640
Speaker 1: can out of the trucker and giving as little as

807
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:21,520
Speaker 1: you can and return.

808
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:24,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know what, next time I get any

809
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:27,239
Speaker 2: kind of freight delivery or anything, I'm gonna say, you.

810
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:27,640
Speaker 4: Got a pee?

811
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's very nice.

812
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:32,800
Speaker 2: You're welcome to come in my house in only p

813
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:37,719
Speaker 2: P please no number two. What I don't want that

814
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 2: taco bell laden number two.

815
00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:43,040
Speaker 1: I think it's a fair line to draw, for sure.

816
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:46,520
Speaker 2: All right, well here comes sort of some more fun

817
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:49,400
Speaker 2: stuff because now we get to talk about the trucker

818
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 2: chic craze of the nineteen seventies and a lot of

819
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 2: this is a great blog post from a guy named

820
00:42:58,160 --> 00:42:58,719
Speaker 2: Travis D.

821
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:02,880
Speaker 4: In this blog travel Lanche.

822
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:04,799
Speaker 2: And I even let me look up the picture I

823
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:08,600
Speaker 2: took of Travis D's claim to fame. Because Travis D

824
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:15,279
Speaker 2: says that he is an author, comedian, critic, director, humorous journalist, MC,

825
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:23,080
Speaker 2: performance artist, playwright, producer, publicist, public speakers, songwriter, and variety booker.

826
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:25,160
Speaker 1: He put that in alphabetical.

827
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:29,879
Speaker 4: Order, Traves was it really trave SD So great job

828
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:30,600
Speaker 4: whoever you are.

829
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:34,799
Speaker 2: Great jobs, Yeah, great jobs because he wrote this great

830
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:36,719
Speaker 2: blog post about you know, stuff that you and I

831
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:40,520
Speaker 2: remember from when we were kids, which was there was

832
00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:45,239
Speaker 2: a fascination with truckers among kids. For sure, we all

833
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:47,440
Speaker 2: wanted that horn honked and we wanted to know what

834
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:51,040
Speaker 2: was in that little thing. But I also remember, very

835
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:54,759
Speaker 2: distinctly as a kid, like the playground talk, which is like, hey,

836
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:57,200
Speaker 2: you know, you're a trucker. You can make like one

837
00:43:57,239 --> 00:44:00,600
Speaker 2: hundred thousand dollars a year, which that still a really

838
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:03,520
Speaker 2: good salary, but in nineteen seventy seven, that was a

839
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:06,799
Speaker 2: ton of money, and I remember trying to reconcile that,

840
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:10,080
Speaker 2: like really, like this doesn't seem like, you know, a

841
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:12,520
Speaker 2: high paying six figure job, and that's amazing that you

842
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:14,040
Speaker 2: can make that money.

843
00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:15,959
Speaker 4: And it was true.

844
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:18,040
Speaker 2: And we'll talk about how that's changed over the years,

845
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:21,400
Speaker 2: but I think the salary back then in the seventies

846
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:24,080
Speaker 2: was like ninety eight grand a year for the median salary.

847
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:25,839
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's called way down.

848
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:30,560
Speaker 2: But you know, they hit hard times starting in the

849
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:34,839
Speaker 2: early seventies with the nineteen seventy three gas crisis when

850
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:38,400
Speaker 2: Congress said nobody can drive over fifty five, even you,

851
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 2: Sammy Hagar. Yeah, and he said, but I can't.

852
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:47,319
Speaker 4: And they said, I'm sorry, You're gonna have to.

853
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:50,080
Speaker 2: And he says, well, just you know, every coup that

854
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:51,759
Speaker 2: pulls me over is going to love me and not

855
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:52,360
Speaker 2: care anyway.

856
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:54,040
Speaker 1: You know who's gonna love that joke?

857
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:57,160
Speaker 4: Aaron Aaron Agar.

858
00:44:57,239 --> 00:44:59,319
Speaker 2: I texted him yesterday actually because I was listening to

859
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:02,840
Speaker 2: twenty one fifty while I was doing a big building project.

860
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:03,800
Speaker 1: Such a great album.

861
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:07,160
Speaker 2: Anyway, they passed that that took. That put a big

862
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:10,160
Speaker 2: hit on long distance truckers obviously, because their whole bag

863
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:14,759
Speaker 2: was getting place as fast, And that was sort of

864
00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:19,480
Speaker 2: what started the It was just in the news a lot,

865
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:22,640
Speaker 2: so people were aware of it more and their protests

866
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:24,640
Speaker 2: about it, and all of a sudden, it was in

867
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:26,640
Speaker 2: songs and TV shows and movies that we're going to

868
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:29,600
Speaker 2: talk about in a second, and it just became more

869
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:33,040
Speaker 2: part of the popular culture than it had ever been

870
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:35,840
Speaker 2: before in the history of the United States.

871
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:41,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I don't think anybody whose job or pursued

872
00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:46,000
Speaker 1: it was to forecast trends projected this. I think it

873
00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:48,360
Speaker 1: was one of the more surprising trends that ever happened.

874
00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:54,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, even CBE radios became part of like mainstream culture

875
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:57,279
Speaker 2: for you know, and I talked about this on hand radio.

876
00:45:57,360 --> 00:45:59,920
Speaker 4: My dad had one. It became a thing that suburban

877
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:01,680
Speaker 4: families got.

878
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:05,359
Speaker 2: And this Travis d guy that I think he's probably right,

879
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:08,400
Speaker 2: speculates it was for a couple of reasons. One is

880
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:11,239
Speaker 2: that it was a wireless communication, which was you know,

881
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:14,520
Speaker 2: even though it wasn't a cell phone, people were like, wow, crazy, Yeah, totally.

882
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:16,880
Speaker 2: But the thing with CBS is it was a pretty

883
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:22,640
Speaker 2: short lived fascination with people like our parents because you

884
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:25,360
Speaker 2: were sharing channels with other people, so it wasn't like

885
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:28,319
Speaker 2: having a cell phone, and so they quickly realized like,

886
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:30,920
Speaker 2: you couldn't just get on there and talk to your

887
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:35,000
Speaker 2: your partner or spouse about you know, day to day

888
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:37,319
Speaker 2: stuff and aarons you needed run. It wasn't for that.

889
00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:40,440
Speaker 2: And then also all the all the CB speak. I

890
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:42,000
Speaker 2: think it was kind of fun for a minute for

891
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:46,799
Speaker 2: Normi's civilians, and then pretty soon they were kind of like, eh,

892
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:50,040
Speaker 2: you know this, I've done it for like six months

893
00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:51,040
Speaker 2: and now kind of tired of it.

894
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:55,279
Speaker 1: So yeah, everybody kind of scuttled CBS. But the the

895
00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:57,960
Speaker 1: trucker crazy, I mean, like I said, it was in fashion.

896
00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:02,560
Speaker 1: It like entire movies written about it, and the whole

897
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:04,880
Speaker 1: thing is really crazy. But if you dig into the

898
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:08,360
Speaker 1: origin of it, it's just like what Because the whole

899
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:17,279
Speaker 1: thing was rooted in a Omaha, Nebraska based bread company's

900
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:21,600
Speaker 1: commercial jingle. That's where the trucker sheet craze started.

901
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:26,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean explain that bears explanation because it's a

902
00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:27,400
Speaker 2: pretty cool story.

903
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:30,279
Speaker 1: So there was Old House or Old Humps are Old

904
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:35,600
Speaker 1: Home bread company and they hired an advertising executive named

905
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:40,280
Speaker 1: Bill Freeze, and he wrote a jingle for an ad,

906
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:42,440
Speaker 1: like basically a minute long song for this ad. The

907
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:45,320
Speaker 1: whole ad was just this trucker singing and a waitress singing,

908
00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:49,239
Speaker 1: and it was like a super trucker centric ad song.

909
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:51,839
Speaker 4: Yeah, and it was.

910
00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:55,400
Speaker 1: It just became dynamite in that area, so much so

911
00:47:55,520 --> 00:48:00,359
Speaker 1: that I saw that the local TV stations listed when

912
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:01,760
Speaker 1: the ad was going to play.

913
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:03,200
Speaker 4: That's so weird.

914
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:05,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is weird, but that's how crazy people were

915
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:09,200
Speaker 1: for the ad, and the jingle made it onto the

916
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:12,799
Speaker 1: Billboard charts, the top one hundred, not just country, the

917
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:16,640
Speaker 1: actual Billboard chart, so that kicked off the country craze

918
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:20,759
Speaker 1: and Bill Freese was so successful with it that Nashville

919
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:23,919
Speaker 1: actually came calling and said, hey, you want to cut

920
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:27,880
Speaker 1: an album, So he basically adopted a persona c W. McCall.

921
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:31,720
Speaker 1: C W McCall was basically the center of the Trucker

922
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:35,000
Speaker 1: Sheet Craze wrote the song Convoy, which was the most

923
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:37,840
Speaker 1: popular song in the Trucker Sheet Craze and he was

924
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:42,160
Speaker 1: just some advertising exec pretending to be a country Western

925
00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:43,600
Speaker 1: trucker lover.

926
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:49,440
Speaker 2: It's amazing the song Convoy. The song was from nineteen

927
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:54,240
Speaker 2: seventy five, number one of the pop and country charts.

928
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:59,319
Speaker 2: And a convoy is, you know, like a line of

929
00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:02,200
Speaker 2: trucks that was taken from the Navy when chips would

930
00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:04,760
Speaker 2: line up, but the idea was a bunch of trucks

931
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:08,080
Speaker 2: would line up like in a big long line, and

932
00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:10,120
Speaker 2: the cops like they can do whatever they want because

933
00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:11,840
Speaker 2: the cops can't pull over thirty trucks.

934
00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:14,080
Speaker 4: Safety in numbers, Safety in numbers.

935
00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:18,520
Speaker 2: And a big wave of movie and TV shows followed.

936
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:21,879
Speaker 2: I think the first one that Travis d mentions here

937
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:26,560
Speaker 2: is White Line Fever from nineteen seventy five. But then

938
00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:29,880
Speaker 2: you know you had Smoking the Bandit. Henry Fonda was

939
00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:31,840
Speaker 2: on one called The Great Smoky Roadblock.

940
00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:32,880
Speaker 4: Yeah.

941
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:37,320
Speaker 2: Jonathan Dimmy, the first sort of non Roger Corman movie

942
00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:40,879
Speaker 2: he directed was called Citizen's Band or Handle with Care

943
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:44,719
Speaker 2: had a couple of titles. Chuck Norris one of his

944
00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:46,879
Speaker 2: first big movies, and it wasn't even a martial arts thing.

945
00:49:47,239 --> 00:49:48,080
Speaker 4: Was a breaker breaker.

946
00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:50,759
Speaker 1: He was like, can I kick? They're like, no, just stand.

947
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:55,000
Speaker 4: There, kick that accelerator Convoy.

948
00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:57,000
Speaker 2: The movie based on the song, or at least you know,

949
00:49:57,080 --> 00:49:59,160
Speaker 2: inspired by the song, came out a few years after

950
00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:00,000
Speaker 2: in seventy eight.

951
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:02,880
Speaker 1: I don't want to let that walk by too easily.

952
00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:06,480
Speaker 1: They made a movie based on the song that was

953
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:11,160
Speaker 1: recorded by C. W. McCall, who was actually an advertising executive.

954
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:13,120
Speaker 1: Just really want to make sure that it's driven home.

955
00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:16,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that when I saw that when I was

956
00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:19,560
Speaker 2: a kid on I think a few years later on HBO.

957
00:50:19,719 --> 00:50:22,560
Speaker 2: But it was out of all these, you know, had

958
00:50:22,560 --> 00:50:24,520
Speaker 2: a little bit of cred because it was a Sam

959
00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:29,320
Speaker 2: peckin Paal movie. No, his biggest movie ever gross wise,

960
00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:32,960
Speaker 2: and then yeah, biggest grossing. And then I had a

961
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:35,279
Speaker 2: great cast at Bert Young of course, Chris Christofferson in

962
00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:40,040
Speaker 2: the lead, Seymour Cassell, ally McGraw, Academy Award winner, Ernest borgnine.

963
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:43,000
Speaker 2: So that actually I mean, of course, Henry Fonda and

964
00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:48,200
Speaker 2: was legit, but this one actually was. Critically, I don't

965
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:49,960
Speaker 2: think it was great, but it was better than the

966
00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:53,440
Speaker 2: rest of these. And then of course b J and

967
00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:56,160
Speaker 2: the Bear we've talked about before, the short lived TV

968
00:50:56,239 --> 00:50:58,279
Speaker 2: show where it was a trucker and his monkey and

969
00:50:58,320 --> 00:50:58,800
Speaker 2: his chimp.

970
00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:00,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't forget every one which way but loose

971
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:02,759
Speaker 1: and every which way you can, the Clint Eastwood in his.

972
00:51:02,719 --> 00:51:05,160
Speaker 4: Orangutang, Yeah, any which way you can.

973
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:10,800
Speaker 1: Oh, sorryry So. And then just like that, like Kaiser

974
00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:14,440
Speaker 1: So say, just splitting the scene, the trucker sheet craze

975
00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:19,600
Speaker 1: just disappeared. It just went away. That didn't fade out,

976
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:23,359
Speaker 1: It didn't do anything but just stop and truckers went

977
00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:24,840
Speaker 1: back to just being truckers again.

978
00:51:25,160 --> 00:51:27,320
Speaker 4: But yeah, oh he got his trucker hats now to

979
00:51:27,360 --> 00:51:28,280
Speaker 4: show forth exactly.

980
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:31,920
Speaker 1: So that was a huge thing in the seventies. It's

981
00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:35,120
Speaker 1: just still is mind boggling and kind of awesome. But

982
00:51:35,239 --> 00:51:37,919
Speaker 1: I think we should fast forward now to present day

983
00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:44,560
Speaker 1: because trucking in the seventies and trucking today are essentially

984
00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:47,799
Speaker 1: the same job, but the industry's changed so much that

985
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:52,480
Speaker 1: there it's unrecognizable how truckers are treated and respected. And

986
00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:57,279
Speaker 1: what's really interesting is the best we could find it

987
00:51:57,440 --> 00:52:01,360
Speaker 1: all is rooted in a nineteen eighty passed by Jimmy

988
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:06,880
Speaker 1: Carter or his administration that deregulated. Jimmy Carter deregulated the

989
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:12,560
Speaker 1: trucking industry in order to take some of the freight

990
00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:16,319
Speaker 1: rate off of the American consumer to bring inflation down,

991
00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:19,240
Speaker 1: and it worked. But what he did was he opened

992
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:23,040
Speaker 1: trucking up to competition, like just anybody who wants to

993
00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:25,279
Speaker 1: start a trucking company, come start one. And it led

994
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:28,200
Speaker 1: to a what I saw described as a race to

995
00:52:28,239 --> 00:52:31,839
Speaker 1: the bottom to cut trucker's wages to stay competitive.

996
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:35,799
Speaker 4: Yeah. What was what article was that from?

997
00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:38,040
Speaker 1: I think it was a Business Insider article.

998
00:52:38,520 --> 00:52:39,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was really good.

999
00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:43,279
Speaker 2: You know, they do a lot of statistics, and from

1000
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:46,560
Speaker 2: seventy seven to eighty seven, the mean truck driver average

1001
00:52:46,560 --> 00:52:50,200
Speaker 2: earnings or I guess the mean, not the average, declined

1002
00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:53,760
Speaker 2: twenty four percent, and then from nineteen eighty to today,

1003
00:52:54,080 --> 00:52:59,279
Speaker 2: I believe another almost thirty six percent. And like you said,

1004
00:52:59,320 --> 00:53:02,399
Speaker 2: it was it was a out that act because from

1005
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:06,120
Speaker 2: the nineteen thirties till nineteen eighty there was not a

1006
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:11,359
Speaker 2: lot of laws passed in regard to trucking at all.

1007
00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:14,680
Speaker 2: It was, like we said, you could make a lot

1008
00:53:14,680 --> 00:53:20,720
Speaker 2: of money. Union membership, the Teamsters union was very stocked

1009
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:24,480
Speaker 2: up in influential and in nineteen seventy four there were

1010
00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:29,960
Speaker 2: more than two million truckers in the Teamsters. Now they're

1011
00:53:30,040 --> 00:53:33,680
Speaker 2: seventy five thousand, so that's a huge, huge drop. And

1012
00:53:33,719 --> 00:53:36,680
Speaker 2: so they didn't have as much sway when Carter came

1013
00:53:36,719 --> 00:53:39,920
Speaker 2: along to deregulate. And you know, there's too much to

1014
00:53:39,960 --> 00:53:42,120
Speaker 2: get into on what was going on before nineteen eighty,

1015
00:53:42,160 --> 00:53:45,439
Speaker 2: but let's just say it was it was a lot

1016
00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:47,920
Speaker 2: harder to get licenses, It was a lot harder for

1017
00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:53,879
Speaker 2: companies to start, like a new trucking company. All those

1018
00:53:54,040 --> 00:53:58,359
Speaker 2: routes were way more locked down before deregulation, right, yeah, yeah,

1019
00:53:58,400 --> 00:54:04,000
Speaker 2: pre nineteen eighty, and since then it's just it's almost

1020
00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:07,280
Speaker 2: the way the Business Insider. They interviewed a bunch of people.

1021
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:10,960
Speaker 2: The way they described it was it was it was

1022
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:14,440
Speaker 2: almost a what word do they use? Some kind of competition,

1023
00:54:15,360 --> 00:54:18,480
Speaker 2: like free competition, but like toxic or something. I can't

1024
00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:23,040
Speaker 2: remember the word they use, but basically the competitive atmosphere was.

1025
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:27,000
Speaker 2: I mean, it was ultimately good for the consumer because

1026
00:54:27,160 --> 00:54:31,440
Speaker 2: prices did go down, but it just devastated the truckers themselves.

1027
00:54:31,480 --> 00:54:34,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I don't think anybody, including the truckers, predicted

1028
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:37,680
Speaker 1: that this was going to happen it certainly, I don't

1029
00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:40,080
Speaker 1: think the Carter administration meant to do that to truckers,

1030
00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:42,800
Speaker 1: but that was definitely the outcome of it. And that's

1031
00:54:43,080 --> 00:54:45,440
Speaker 1: I mean, that's largely where we are today. The trucking

1032
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:48,680
Speaker 1: industry is kind of settled into this, you know, just

1033
00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:52,800
Speaker 1: pinch every single penny you possibly can. And one of

1034
00:54:52,840 --> 00:54:55,240
Speaker 1: the ways that they do it is by treating their

1035
00:54:55,360 --> 00:54:59,319
Speaker 1: drivers not so great. So that's a that's not a

1036
00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:01,799
Speaker 1: great state to be in because there's a lot of

1037
00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:05,000
Speaker 1: turnover today. I saw one year. In one year, there's

1038
00:55:05,040 --> 00:55:08,160
Speaker 1: like three hundred thousand truckers that just stopped trucking. They

1039
00:55:08,200 --> 00:55:10,400
Speaker 1: just went off and did something else, and we actually

1040
00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:12,560
Speaker 1: have a trucker shortage right now in part because of

1041
00:55:12,600 --> 00:55:16,880
Speaker 1: the low wages, bad treatment, The services and amenities are

1042
00:55:16,920 --> 00:55:21,640
Speaker 1: drying up. And but there's enough people out there with

1043
00:55:21,880 --> 00:55:25,960
Speaker 1: valid commercial driver's licenses to make up for the trucker shortage.

1044
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:29,320
Speaker 1: And then some it's just that's how bad the industry

1045
00:55:29,360 --> 00:55:32,440
Speaker 1: treats them and how bad their prospects are. They're just like,

1046
00:55:32,520 --> 00:55:34,840
Speaker 1: forget that. I'm gonna I'm not gonna use this commercial

1047
00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:37,200
Speaker 1: driver's license any longer. I'm gonna go do something else.

1048
00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:39,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, oh, here I found it.

1049
00:55:39,280 --> 00:55:43,680
Speaker 2: Actually, they you called it destructive competition, and this is

1050
00:55:43,719 --> 00:55:46,960
Speaker 2: a quote. He's a competition so severe that it undermines

1051
00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:50,240
Speaker 2: profitability to the point that it causes under investment by firms,

1052
00:55:50,640 --> 00:55:54,480
Speaker 2: industry wide inefficiency, market instability, and poor surface quality.

1053
00:55:54,640 --> 00:55:56,920
Speaker 1: Right. And then the other thing is like, well, just

1054
00:55:57,080 --> 00:55:59,360
Speaker 1: organize if you've got I saw anywhere from one and

1055
00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:02,000
Speaker 1: a half million into five hundred thousand to two million

1056
00:56:02,080 --> 00:56:04,680
Speaker 1: to three million truckers. I'm not quite sure. It's hard

1057
00:56:04,719 --> 00:56:06,400
Speaker 1: to drill down because there's so many different kinds of

1058
00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:09,320
Speaker 1: truckers to find just how many over the road truckers

1059
00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:12,040
Speaker 1: there are. But it's not the same thing as like

1060
00:56:12,120 --> 00:56:14,560
Speaker 1: getting the band back together. There's like a whole new

1061
00:56:14,600 --> 00:56:18,160
Speaker 1: generation of truckers that were not raised to be union members,

1062
00:56:18,560 --> 00:56:24,640
Speaker 1: and truckers in general are very independent, very right leaning

1063
00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:28,920
Speaker 1: typically and are not necessarily prone to organize. I saw

1064
00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:32,080
Speaker 1: one trucker describe it as trying to organize anarchists. It's

1065
00:56:32,120 --> 00:56:36,760
Speaker 1: about as easy as that. So that's yeah, it's just

1066
00:56:36,920 --> 00:56:38,520
Speaker 1: the state that things are in right now, and a

1067
00:56:38,560 --> 00:56:41,480
Speaker 1: lot of people are like, well, is this, you know,

1068
00:56:41,560 --> 00:56:45,879
Speaker 1: like the death rattle of human trucking because coming down

1069
00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:49,439
Speaker 1: the pike literally coming down the turnpike depending on where

1070
00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:55,040
Speaker 1: you're standing. There are driverless trucks semis that are now

1071
00:56:55,080 --> 00:56:58,880
Speaker 1: being tested on public roads and they're actually some of

1072
00:56:58,920 --> 00:57:02,640
Speaker 1: them are coming back with pretty promising results.

1073
00:57:03,080 --> 00:57:06,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I'm certainly not calling for this, but

1074
00:57:06,800 --> 00:57:09,040
Speaker 2: it makes more sense in this industry more than it

1075
00:57:09,080 --> 00:57:12,319
Speaker 2: does driving around a city street because the roads are

1076
00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:16,240
Speaker 2: very uniform. They're you know, have stop signs and pedestrians

1077
00:57:16,280 --> 00:57:19,840
Speaker 2: and cross streets and you know, it's it's it's one

1078
00:57:19,840 --> 00:57:23,360
Speaker 2: where it's it's probably way easier to get a successful

1079
00:57:23,360 --> 00:57:26,120
Speaker 2: test run with an electric or I'm sorry, a self

1080
00:57:26,200 --> 00:57:29,880
Speaker 2: driving well and electric truck on the highway than one

1081
00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:33,960
Speaker 2: driving around San Francisco, which I've seen, And so they're

1082
00:57:34,040 --> 00:57:36,840
Speaker 2: kind of saying like if not, it's not an if

1083
00:57:36,880 --> 00:57:41,480
Speaker 2: but win situation. And they may have just like trains

1084
00:57:41,520 --> 00:57:44,200
Speaker 2: of these trucks with a real driver at the front,

1085
00:57:44,520 --> 00:57:47,680
Speaker 2: sort of leading a convoy almost at a pack, a

1086
00:57:47,720 --> 00:57:49,720
Speaker 2: convoy of driverless trucks.

1087
00:57:49,640 --> 00:57:52,080
Speaker 1: Kind of like Steve Doors today, like there's still some

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Speaker 1: of them, but they're just basically controlling the automation.

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Speaker 4: Now, yeah, what you what were you saying?

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Speaker 1: Kind of like, who's Steve Doors?

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Speaker 4: What is that?

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Speaker 1: It's the boss of the long shoreman, the actual workers,

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Speaker 1: the one who's like the head the foreman, is a

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Speaker 1: Steve Door.

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Speaker 4: Okay, you said that earlier and I pretended like I

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Speaker 4: knew what you meant.

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Speaker 1: So it's it's spelled exactly like it's pronounced too.

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Speaker 4: And it's a word. Yeah, it's not a guy named

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Speaker 4: Steve Dor.

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Speaker 1: No, it's it's s T E v E d O

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Speaker 1: r E. And it is a specific type of long shortman.

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Speaker 2: Okay, because I thought, see this is a good lesson everyone.

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Speaker 2: You shouldn't just act like you know what someone's talking about.

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Speaker 2: Because you don't want to look done.

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Speaker 1: I think that's a great lesson.

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Speaker 4: Look dumb and ask a question because I thought you

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Speaker 4: were talking about a character from the Wire. That's what they.

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Speaker 1: Call themselves in the Wire, Steve Doors.

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Speaker 4: It's been a long time since I saw that season.

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Speaker 1: That's where I learned how to pronounce it correctly.

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Speaker 2: Actually instead, but you have to do it with the

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Speaker 2: Baltimore accent, which I don't even know what that is.

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Speaker 1: So I guess the long and short of all this

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Speaker 1: is no one's quite sure where the tucking industries going,

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Speaker 1: although there's some pretty good bets about the future. But

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Speaker 1: in the meantime, regardless, if you see a trucker out

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Speaker 1: there on the road, be extra nice to him, give

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Speaker 1: them one of those honk your horned kind of signs,

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Speaker 1: or a wave or anything like that, or maybe buy

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Speaker 1: them a sit down dinner at a diner a truck stop

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Speaker 1: you're at.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and if someone in one of those trucks delivers

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Speaker 4: something to your house, open your steep door for them

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Speaker 4: and let them pee.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: Yes, since Chuck made a hilarious joke, everybody that is

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Speaker 1: obviously triggered listener mail.

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Speaker 4: Uh, this one's short, and sweet.

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Speaker 2: This is from Aubrey rode In because she says, during

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Speaker 2: the recent Selects episode, you were covering terosaurs and Josh

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Speaker 2: used the phrase batching it as in.

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Speaker 4: Like being a bachelor.

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Speaker 2: Uh huh, you know, like like you me went out

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Speaker 2: of town so on batching it for the weekend or whatever.

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Speaker 1: I think I was saying we were batching it because

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Speaker 1: Jerry wasn't around.

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Speaker 2: Probably, yeah, that sounds about right. Chuck ponders whether the

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Speaker 2: phrase was new or not. And this phrase jogged a

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Speaker 2: memory that I had in my Bookshelf. I've attached a

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Speaker 2: photo from Laura Ingalls Wilder's The Long Winter, published in

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Speaker 2: nineteen forty, and she describes how her future husband and

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Speaker 2: his brother in law were living in the back of

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Speaker 2: their feed store in town with the word batching. So

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Speaker 2: in the very least the phrase was around in the

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Speaker 2: thirties when she was writing the manuscripts and just thought

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Speaker 2: i'd share. I looked it up, or I didn't look

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Speaker 2: it up. She included the photo and it said you know,

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Speaker 2: who are busy or no, who were batching it?

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Speaker 4: And it said they were batching in the rear room

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Speaker 4: or something.

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Speaker 2: But the way I needed more context because I couldn't

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Speaker 2: tell if because batching is also a verb, like you

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Speaker 2: would batch for a business.

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Speaker 1: You know, you'd make a bunch of differens together once.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, And I couldn't tell if it was used

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Speaker 2: in that context or not.

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Speaker 4: But I believe Aubrey. So that's what I'm not even

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Speaker 4: gonna look for that.

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Speaker 1: Have you ever even met? No, but Aubrey seems.

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Speaker 2: Great because she goes on to say this, love your show.

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Speaker 2: Life has been pretty hectic for me lately. Chasing my

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Speaker 2: two year old twins around me and listening to Stuff

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Speaker 2: you Should Know reduces my perceived stress. Somehow, you guys

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Speaker 2: managed to be informative and calming simultaneously.

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Speaker 4: So I believe Aubrey.

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Speaker 1: That's awesome. Yeah, I'll believe you to Aubrey, And just

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Speaker 1: the phrase two year old twins made my neck muscles tense.

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Speaker 4: Oh boy, me too.

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Speaker 1: If you want to be like Aubrey and write in

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Speaker 1: to let us know something that we were wondering about,

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Speaker 1: we love that kind of stuff. Thanks again, Aubrey. You

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Speaker 1: can send us an email to Stuff Podcast at iHeartRadio

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Speaker 1: dot com.

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