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Speaker 1: wife of more than fifty years, Camille Cosby made her

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Speaker 1: first appearance since the trial began, Andred Constance says that

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Speaker 1: Bill Cosby sexually assaulted her January February two thousand four.

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Speaker 1: Cosby is charged with felony aggravated in decent assault. This

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Speaker 1: and says their encounter was consensual, praying upon and exploiting

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Speaker 1: my vulnerabilities. He then trucked and raped me. Seventy nine

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Speaker 1: like this. Judges only allowing one other accuser to take

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Speaker 1: the stand. The comedian left court Monday night without a verdict,

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Speaker 1: but with his spirits still intact. Closing arguments by the

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Speaker 1: defense are done. Now what will go down in a

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Speaker 1: Bill Cosby? Not as funny anymore. I'm Nancy Grace. This

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Speaker 1: Before we get to your relationship, let me say with

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Speaker 1: Bill Cosby, I want to talk about the closing argument

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Speaker 1: by the defense. What was that, Well, the each side

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Speaker 1: Cosby's lawyers brought out her inconsistent statements how she originally

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Speaker 1: They go about business as normal, They tell very few people,

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Speaker 1: An ordinary rape victim is someone who indeed was raped.

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Speaker 1: That's why she's not an ordinary rape victim, because she

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Speaker 1: Angia Constant, who was in touch with Bill Cosby. She

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Speaker 1: I asked a renowned defense attorney, who's doing so well

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Speaker 1: He came before Obama. He was. He was the Obama

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Speaker 1: of an earlier time. Love, Mr Ficker. Lady Justice is blind.

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Speaker 1: So let's see what Lady Justice does with this one

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Speaker 1: and again. If you're not there when a fire starts,

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Speaker 1: off your system today, it's simply safe dot com slash Nancy,

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Speaker 1: that's simply safe dot com slash Nancy. Nancy Grace climbed

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Speaker 1: stories along with Robin Ficker and Allan Dick, signing off

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