1 00:00:06,840 --> 00:00:09,920 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Savor. I'm Annyes and I'm Lauren Vogelbaum, 2 00:00:10,039 --> 00:00:13,840 Speaker 1: and today we're talking about Thanksgiving here in the United States. 3 00:00:13,880 --> 00:00:16,840 Speaker 1: It's happening like tomorrow if you're listening to this podcast 4 00:00:16,840 --> 00:00:19,480 Speaker 1: the day that it comes out. Yeah, but it's it's 5 00:00:19,480 --> 00:00:21,319 Speaker 1: got a lot of fun stuff and a lot of 6 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:24,520 Speaker 1: sad stuff, but it's interesting. Nonetheless, Yes, stuff going on. 7 00:00:24,600 --> 00:00:26,320 Speaker 1: So I would say you could listen to it at 8 00:00:26,320 --> 00:00:29,040 Speaker 1: any time and enjoy it at any time. Absolutely, but 9 00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:33,880 Speaker 1: it is appropriate for the season as it comes out, right, Yes, 10 00:00:34,040 --> 00:00:36,720 Speaker 1: And I have a lot, a lot of thoughts on Thanksgiving. 11 00:00:37,080 --> 00:00:38,920 Speaker 1: It's a holiday that I love, but I do find 12 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:42,559 Speaker 1: it has the most family drama of the holidays in 13 00:00:42,600 --> 00:00:46,720 Speaker 1: my case. Um, although last Christmas that might have been 14 00:00:46,720 --> 00:00:48,440 Speaker 1: the winner, That might have been the all time winner. 15 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:53,199 Speaker 1: I usually do the cooking, which is very stressful, but 16 00:00:53,240 --> 00:00:55,960 Speaker 1: I do enjoy it. Last year, for instance, my little 17 00:00:56,000 --> 00:01:00,960 Speaker 1: brother announced he had become a vegetarian the day before Thanksgiving. 18 00:01:01,120 --> 00:01:03,800 Speaker 1: No he didn't, he did. Was he doing it just 19 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:08,120 Speaker 1: to spite you? I'm not sure, Lauren. I still ponder 20 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:11,600 Speaker 1: this to this day. But that's why our recent episode 21 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:15,039 Speaker 1: on Satan was appropriate because there was a last minute 22 00:01:15,120 --> 00:01:17,880 Speaker 1: rush to find some oh yeah, that he could eat. 23 00:01:18,800 --> 00:01:24,040 Speaker 1: Uh huh and uh. For Thanksgiving, we cook a turkey 24 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:26,760 Speaker 1: and a picking turkey. I love I've never heard of this, 25 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:29,399 Speaker 1: and I love it. Yeah, it's a smaller turkey that 26 00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:32,080 Speaker 1: you cooked the night before and you just pick at it. 27 00:01:32,880 --> 00:01:35,000 Speaker 1: The picking turkey. I don't know if that's a thing. 28 00:01:35,080 --> 00:01:37,800 Speaker 1: My uncle says he invented it, but he's a he's 29 00:01:37,800 --> 00:01:41,280 Speaker 1: a known exaggerator, so I'm not sure. People listeners write 30 00:01:41,319 --> 00:01:44,960 Speaker 1: in about that. We have him cornbread dressing, sweeptate a 31 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:48,120 Speaker 1: cast role without marshmallows. And this is the one that 32 00:01:48,160 --> 00:01:50,640 Speaker 1: goes first. This is the dish that is gone. And 33 00:01:50,680 --> 00:01:53,760 Speaker 1: it has been a source of many scandals in my family, 34 00:01:53,920 --> 00:01:58,560 Speaker 1: hiding of tupperwares, finding of tupperwares, leaving of empty tupperwares, 35 00:01:58,600 --> 00:02:01,000 Speaker 1: and the refrigerator and then you go to get some 36 00:02:01,120 --> 00:02:02,840 Speaker 1: and you're so excited you open it up and there's 37 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:07,800 Speaker 1: nothing passive aggressive notes, Oh man, okay, deal. They keep 38 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:10,360 Speaker 1: campaigning for me to make two and it's not gonna happen. 39 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:15,040 Speaker 1: Um home made cranberry sauce, giblet gravy, rice, green beans, 40 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:17,639 Speaker 1: chocolate pie, and routine. Probably I mixed up every year. 41 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:20,679 Speaker 1: So it's a it's a lot of food. Wow yeah, 42 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:22,399 Speaker 1: and all of that bite Like, you're the one who 43 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:25,320 Speaker 1: cooks all of this, does anyone help you? My mom 44 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:29,640 Speaker 1: she taught me so that I could continue the tradition 45 00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:34,680 Speaker 1: and then sort of just disappeared, which I love. She 46 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:36,720 Speaker 1: she stays in the kitchen with me and keeps me company, 47 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:40,400 Speaker 1: but I generally do most of the wow. Huh. It's 48 00:02:40,440 --> 00:02:42,760 Speaker 1: always been u or in my adult life anyways, it's 49 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:46,239 Speaker 1: always been a very collaborative effort between me and whate 50 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:48,800 Speaker 1: her friends I'm spending the holiday with because yeah, Thanksgivings 51 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:50,200 Speaker 1: a weird one for me because my dad was in 52 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:52,880 Speaker 1: the restaurant industry when I was growing up, So for him, 53 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:56,320 Speaker 1: Thanksgiving started at like one or two am when he 54 00:02:56,360 --> 00:02:58,840 Speaker 1: would get up and go to work and start cooking 55 00:02:58,880 --> 00:03:02,000 Speaker 1: like forty turkeys and like thirty gallons of mashed potatoes 56 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:05,560 Speaker 1: and like just crazy numbers of stuff. So A, he 57 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:08,720 Speaker 1: hated those foods. Those foods were never anything he ever 58 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:11,120 Speaker 1: wanted to eat, especially not on a nice day. B 59 00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:12,560 Speaker 1: I mean, like he would come home and go to 60 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:17,200 Speaker 1: sleep like that. Yeah, I think turkeys might do that 61 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:19,400 Speaker 1: to you. Absolutely, but um, so yeah, it was never 62 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:21,480 Speaker 1: a family thing for the two of us. Like growing up, 63 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:23,440 Speaker 1: I would go with my grandmother to my cousin's house 64 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:26,440 Speaker 1: and I don't remember any of the food we ever 65 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:30,680 Speaker 1: ate there, didn't make an impression. Um. I do remember 66 00:03:30,680 --> 00:03:33,640 Speaker 1: that she made this cranberry relish. She called it a relish. 67 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:36,720 Speaker 1: It was it was very bitter, uh, and had like 68 00:03:36,760 --> 00:03:39,400 Speaker 1: orange peel in it. That's the only thing, literally, the 69 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:42,440 Speaker 1: only thing. Everything else, everything else is lost to the 70 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:43,920 Speaker 1: mist of time because it wasn't that big of a 71 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:47,240 Speaker 1: deal for me. But uh, I don't think I was 72 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:52,160 Speaker 1: exposed to a lot of traditional Thanksgiving foods until after college, 73 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:55,480 Speaker 1: when my friends and I started hosting our own. Um, 74 00:03:55,520 --> 00:03:57,960 Speaker 1: for me, the important dishes are the turkey, the stuffing, 75 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:01,400 Speaker 1: the gravy, and having homemade crame, ray sauce and pumpkin pie. 76 00:04:02,520 --> 00:04:07,240 Speaker 1: Critical yeah um yeah. These these days my roommates and 77 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:09,640 Speaker 1: I go up to one of their mom's house and 78 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:14,520 Speaker 1: cooked together and like day drink and it's it's pretty fabulous. Yeah. 79 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:18,719 Speaker 1: I started drinking at like nine am on Thanksgiving because 80 00:04:18,960 --> 00:04:20,640 Speaker 1: you're in the kitchen. In the kitchen, what else are 81 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:24,040 Speaker 1: you doing. It's a holiday. Yeah, I kind of slowly daydrink. 82 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:28,320 Speaker 1: But one Thanksgiving a pipe under our sink broke and 83 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:32,160 Speaker 1: it flooded our kitchen, which meant that we didn't eat 84 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:35,880 Speaker 1: until really late. Usually we around two pm. At this time, 85 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:38,880 Speaker 1: it was like eight pm or something. Because I normally 86 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:42,560 Speaker 1: start day drinking so early. By the time we ate, 87 00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:47,320 Speaker 1: I was drink. I was so drunk. And I fixed 88 00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:50,320 Speaker 1: up this huge plate, like really ambitious plate of food, 89 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:54,440 Speaker 1: and I put it down and promptly fell asleep at 90 00:04:54,440 --> 00:04:56,960 Speaker 1: the table. Goodness, And there's a funny picture of me, 91 00:04:57,080 --> 00:05:01,000 Speaker 1: just my head on my arms, sprawled and people ate 92 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:05,560 Speaker 1: the food off my plate. Oh they Oh nice, dude. 93 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:09,360 Speaker 1: I'm getting furious thinking about it. And when I woke up, 94 00:05:09,960 --> 00:05:11,720 Speaker 1: it was all gone. It's the only Thanksgiving that has 95 00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:16,360 Speaker 1: ever happened. Um that all the leftovers so I didn't 96 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:21,080 Speaker 1: get to have anything. Oh my goodness. I still think 97 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:24,680 Speaker 1: about it to this day. Clearly I would. I've never 98 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:27,720 Speaker 1: had a disaster like quite like that, but uh yeah, 99 00:05:27,760 --> 00:05:29,760 Speaker 1: I think the worst things, like I dropped my phone 100 00:05:29,760 --> 00:05:35,440 Speaker 1: in the oven one year. Um, yeah, that was interesting. 101 00:05:35,880 --> 00:05:39,200 Speaker 1: We had to gone. It wasn't it wasn't it was okay, 102 00:05:39,320 --> 00:05:42,919 Speaker 1: it fell through like a crack um. It involved some 103 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:47,880 Speaker 1: very creative craft making in order to retrieve it. Oh, 104 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:52,520 Speaker 1: I've really intrigued. But um, other than that, like I 105 00:05:52,520 --> 00:05:58,320 Speaker 1: don't like I've like exploded a pyrex pan. Yeah my goodness, Yeah, yeah, 106 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:01,840 Speaker 1: I've had. I could regale you with so many stories 107 00:06:01,880 --> 00:06:08,520 Speaker 1: of Thanksgiving mishapps, fiascos, but we should really get to 108 00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:18,600 Speaker 1: our question. I suppose Thanksgiving. What is it? Well, Thanksgiving 109 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:21,239 Speaker 1: is a holiday celebrated by many people in the United 110 00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:24,560 Speaker 1: States and Canada. Here it falls on the fourth Thursday 111 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:28,520 Speaker 1: of November and Canadas the second Monday in October. It's 112 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:30,560 Speaker 1: national holiday Here, lots of folks have the day off. 113 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:33,799 Speaker 1: Businesses tend to be closed. It's family oriented and centers 114 00:06:33,800 --> 00:06:36,400 Speaker 1: around a feast type meal involving lots of the foods 115 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:39,560 Speaker 1: we've been talking about. Um. And it's ostensibly a day 116 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:42,640 Speaker 1: to be thankful for whatever good things are bountiful in 117 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:49,400 Speaker 1: your life. Ostensibly, yeah, exactly what foods people eat varies 118 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:52,560 Speaker 1: by regent and by family. You know, cornbread dressing versus 119 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:56,400 Speaker 1: bread stuffing, uh, Pecan pie versus apple versus pumpkin versus 120 00:06:56,400 --> 00:06:59,920 Speaker 1: sweet potato, corn pudding versus sweet potato. Putting brussels for 121 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:02,920 Speaker 1: is green beans? Is your extra starch? Rice? Or mac 122 00:07:02,960 --> 00:07:05,680 Speaker 1: and cheese or grips or mashed potatoes is everything in 123 00:07:05,720 --> 00:07:09,080 Speaker 1: casserole form with cheese and cream. Um sweet potatoes versus 124 00:07:09,080 --> 00:07:14,000 Speaker 1: canny yamps, cornbread versus yeast, rolls versus biscuits. Lots of options, 125 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:19,480 Speaker 1: very much, very much, lots of options. UM and General 126 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:24,440 Speaker 1: Mills collected data on recipe searches one year from Betty 127 00:07:24,440 --> 00:07:28,040 Speaker 1: Crocker dot com at Pillsbury dot com and tablespoon dot com. 128 00:07:28,280 --> 00:07:31,920 Speaker 1: Uh November one through Thanksgiving Day. They collected all these 129 00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:34,080 Speaker 1: recipe searches and put out a list of the most 130 00:07:34,080 --> 00:07:37,800 Speaker 1: popular recipes by state. And I mean like a lot 131 00:07:37,840 --> 00:07:39,360 Speaker 1: of it was stuff that you would expect, maybe like 132 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:43,280 Speaker 1: pumpkin cheesecakes shows up in there, um, mac and cheese, 133 00:07:43,320 --> 00:07:46,560 Speaker 1: things like that. But the one and I suspect that 134 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:48,920 Speaker 1: football season had some effect on this too, but Buffalo 135 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:52,040 Speaker 1: chicken dip showed up a lot. It was like three 136 00:07:52,160 --> 00:07:56,760 Speaker 1: states most popular recipe, the most popular. Yeah, I would 137 00:07:56,800 --> 00:07:58,960 Speaker 1: imagine football, and I find just in general, when you're 138 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:01,800 Speaker 1: doing a potlok type thing, that's a really popular option. Oh, 139 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:06,240 Speaker 1: it's a great one. I'm not dissing. It's delicious. Yes, 140 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:09,440 Speaker 1: it's just a little outside the ramble, but we normally 141 00:08:09,480 --> 00:08:14,000 Speaker 1: think of right, it's more modern, more modern. Yes, so 142 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:21,280 Speaker 1: let's talk about some nutrition. Yeah, long laugh, ha ha ha. 143 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:24,760 Speaker 1: I have to say I get angry every year when 144 00:08:24,760 --> 00:08:28,000 Speaker 1: I see those magazine headlines that are like, hey, ladies, 145 00:08:28,200 --> 00:08:30,560 Speaker 1: here's not here's a way out to not gain weight 146 00:08:30,600 --> 00:08:33,000 Speaker 1: over the holiday, and it's tips like don't eat the 147 00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:36,959 Speaker 1: skin of the turkey, don't eat the pie. It's one 148 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:42,560 Speaker 1: day a year, enjoy it, right, And I've been there, 149 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:46,360 Speaker 1: I've done that thing, and it's miserable. It is miserable. Um, 150 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:50,000 Speaker 1: if you are wondering. In general, people gain one to 151 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:52,440 Speaker 1: three pounds over the holidays, but most people lose it 152 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:54,760 Speaker 1: in the first couple of months of the year. And 153 00:08:54,760 --> 00:08:58,800 Speaker 1: the problem comes in when you don't and it compounds. Yeah. Really, 154 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:00,640 Speaker 1: binging on a single meal is not going to do 155 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:03,760 Speaker 1: much of anything. Um. It's continuing to eat rich foods 156 00:09:03,760 --> 00:09:06,400 Speaker 1: throughout the season, be like leftovers from these feast meals 157 00:09:06,480 --> 00:09:09,720 Speaker 1: or just having multiple celebrations. Um, that is going to 158 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:12,520 Speaker 1: affect your weight. If you can enjoy yourself for one 159 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:15,440 Speaker 1: day and like, eat your leftover turkey on top of 160 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:18,720 Speaker 1: some greens instead of mashed potatoes. I would say that 161 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:22,240 Speaker 1: that's a better plan than trying to abstain entirely. Yeah. Yeah, 162 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:25,600 Speaker 1: and you're just going to enjoy yourself more, I would say. 163 00:09:25,640 --> 00:09:27,920 Speaker 1: And yes, for folks with eating disorders, I know it 164 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:30,679 Speaker 1: is not as simple as enjoy it. Right, that's a 165 00:09:30,720 --> 00:09:35,319 Speaker 1: whole separate episode. But we do see you. So let's 166 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:40,200 Speaker 1: get into some Thanksgiving numbers. Yeah. Yeah. According to the 167 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:43,640 Speaker 1: American Farm Bureau Federation, the average cost for a Thanksgiving 168 00:09:43,679 --> 00:09:47,679 Speaker 1: meal for ten people is about forty nine and twelve cents, which, 169 00:09:47,760 --> 00:09:50,080 Speaker 1: if that sounds low to you, their data is a 170 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:52,440 Speaker 1: tiny bit skewed. It's assuming that you're shopping at a 171 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:55,280 Speaker 1: large supermarket chain with low prices, and that you're probably 172 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:57,400 Speaker 1: in a rural area where food costs are a little 173 00:09:57,400 --> 00:10:00,839 Speaker 1: bit lower, and that you're buying a real no frill 174 00:10:01,040 --> 00:10:06,000 Speaker 1: meal turkey, stuffing, sweet potatoes, rolls, cranberries, peas, pumpkin pie, 175 00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:09,600 Speaker 1: and a veggie tray. That's it. Respondence to various surveys, 176 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:12,040 Speaker 1: reports spending around a hundred to two hundred dollars on 177 00:10:12,080 --> 00:10:18,440 Speaker 1: their meals. Yeah. Um, for me, these days, Thanksgiving as 178 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:21,679 Speaker 1: a pretty small celebration. But when I was younger, it 179 00:10:21,800 --> 00:10:25,080 Speaker 1: used to be like fifteen people, and there was the 180 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:31,800 Speaker 1: coveted adult table seats. And one year, when I was nine, 181 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:35,160 Speaker 1: I campaigned really hard, please let me sit at the 182 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:41,640 Speaker 1: adult table. But I had accidentally switched. I promised this 183 00:10:41,679 --> 00:10:43,760 Speaker 1: was an accident. No one believes me. But I had 184 00:10:43,800 --> 00:10:47,520 Speaker 1: picked up a cup of wine, a cup of juice, 185 00:10:48,320 --> 00:10:50,520 Speaker 1: and I took a sip of it. I did a 186 00:10:50,559 --> 00:10:54,240 Speaker 1: spittake and got it all over everyone and on the 187 00:10:54,400 --> 00:11:01,880 Speaker 1: nice white tablecloth. I was immediately back to the children's 188 00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:06,560 Speaker 1: table and they never invited me again. It's like sixteen 189 00:11:06,760 --> 00:11:14,360 Speaker 1: still table. It's a big fiasco that I call anyway. Um, 190 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:18,680 Speaker 1: if we're talking the calorie count, on average, the whole 191 00:11:18,679 --> 00:11:23,160 Speaker 1: shi bang comes out around four thousand five calories goodness, Yeah, 192 00:11:23,160 --> 00:11:25,320 Speaker 1: which is actually lower than I thought it would be. Big. Yeah, 193 00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:29,600 Speaker 1: that's not too bad. I mean really for all that 194 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:33,400 Speaker 1: wonderful food. Yeah, for just the amount of like just 195 00:11:33,400 --> 00:11:37,440 Speaker 1: gravy shots I take. Here's just hit me with another 196 00:11:38,360 --> 00:11:42,560 Speaker 1: Nine of Americans eat Thanksgiving out at a restaurant in 197 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:46,960 Speaker 1: American Soldiers stationed overseas, eight thirty four thousand, seven and 198 00:11:47,080 --> 00:11:50,199 Speaker 1: sixty pounds of turkey on th four and fifty pounds 199 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:54,720 Speaker 1: of ham, nine thousand pounds of stuffing, and eight hundred 200 00:11:54,760 --> 00:11:58,520 Speaker 1: seventy nine gallons of eggnog on Thanksgiving Day. I don't 201 00:11:58,559 --> 00:12:01,400 Speaker 1: understand the eggnog thing that's out of Thanksgiving food. It's 202 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:04,240 Speaker 1: a Christmas food. I mean, you know, people serving our 203 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:07,440 Speaker 1: country get to do whatever they want in terms of 204 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:12,760 Speaker 1: eating when they are stationed out wherever. But why you 205 00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:19,520 Speaker 1: can reach us at numbers from Peter say that each 206 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:22,719 Speaker 1: year forty million turkeys are killed in the US for Thanksgiving. 207 00:12:23,880 --> 00:12:29,080 Speaker 1: American Thanksgiving meals do include turkey. The butter Ball Hotline 208 00:12:29,520 --> 00:12:34,040 Speaker 1: answers one questions between November and December, and to bring 209 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:35,920 Speaker 1: up Stephen Colby all the time. But back I called 210 00:12:35,920 --> 00:12:38,360 Speaker 1: the Colby Report, and I think even on his um 211 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:42,080 Speaker 1: the new show, uh, the new old show. He's new 212 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:45,480 Speaker 1: host of an old show. UM, he had a segment 213 00:12:45,520 --> 00:12:48,200 Speaker 1: where he answered questions on the butter Ball Hotline. So 214 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:50,040 Speaker 1: you might get him when you call, Oh my goodness, 215 00:12:50,040 --> 00:12:54,960 Speaker 1: that's darling. When it comes to that dreaded scenario, the 216 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:57,880 Speaker 1: turkey is ready, the wonderful smell has filled the kitchen. 217 00:12:58,280 --> 00:13:02,000 Speaker 1: You got to take it out and right onto the floor. 218 00:13:03,040 --> 00:13:09,280 Speaker 1: What do you do? Survey says that of those surveyed 219 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:12,080 Speaker 1: would still serve the turkey if no one had seen 220 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:17,320 Speaker 1: the incident and wouldn't tell their guests said they would 221 00:13:17,360 --> 00:13:21,240 Speaker 1: still serve it, but they would tell the folks what happened. 222 00:13:21,800 --> 00:13:25,080 Speaker 1: Four percent said they would order pizza. I would totally 223 00:13:25,080 --> 00:13:28,160 Speaker 1: serve it. Oh man, I would. I would definitely serve it. 224 00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:30,719 Speaker 1: I think that has happened before. We were just like, 225 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:33,640 Speaker 1: oh yeah, yeah, just I mean, come on your floor 226 00:13:33,679 --> 00:13:37,520 Speaker 1: is probably fine. Didn't that happen, isn't Julia Child? Didn't 227 00:13:37,520 --> 00:13:39,280 Speaker 1: she have a moment where she did something like that. 228 00:13:39,559 --> 00:13:41,800 Speaker 1: It wasn't like a whole turkey or something, but yeah, 229 00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:44,800 Speaker 1: she was just like a blueprit back in the pan. Yeah, 230 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:49,920 Speaker 1: it's fine, According to one survey, with turkey out of 231 00:13:49,960 --> 00:13:53,560 Speaker 1: the picture, stuffing is the most important dish required for 232 00:13:53,559 --> 00:13:57,319 Speaker 1: making a Thanksgiving meal. Thanksgiving me all. After that it's 233 00:13:57,360 --> 00:14:00,120 Speaker 1: mashed potatoes and a quick word here. I've for a 234 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:02,679 Speaker 1: long time got very confused about stuffing and dressing. The 235 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:06,360 Speaker 1: stuffing is the stuff actually in the turkey? Yes, well, um, 236 00:14:06,400 --> 00:14:09,840 Speaker 1: these days, they don't really recommend putting cooking stuffing inside 237 00:14:09,880 --> 00:14:11,360 Speaker 1: of a turkey because it's really just going to slow 238 00:14:11,400 --> 00:14:13,079 Speaker 1: down your cooking time and make the rest of the 239 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:16,120 Speaker 1: turkey dry out. But I think stuffing and dressing are 240 00:14:16,160 --> 00:14:18,960 Speaker 1: too two different words for the same thing. That's what 241 00:14:19,040 --> 00:14:22,320 Speaker 1: I thought too. Yeah. Is it just for a long time, 242 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:25,480 Speaker 1: it's been different, different preparation methods, I suppose. Well, I 243 00:14:25,520 --> 00:14:27,840 Speaker 1: think that the dressing was also kept inside of the 244 00:14:27,840 --> 00:14:29,840 Speaker 1: bird for a long time. Yeah, I think it's just 245 00:14:29,840 --> 00:14:34,840 Speaker 1: two different words. Interesting. Well, my family doesn't do mashed potatoes, 246 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:37,600 Speaker 1: but it does make me think of that Friends episode 247 00:14:38,040 --> 00:14:40,680 Speaker 1: or Monica is cooking the Thanksgiving meal for everyone, and 248 00:14:40,840 --> 00:14:43,960 Speaker 1: everyone wants a specific type of potato that is the 249 00:14:43,960 --> 00:14:47,960 Speaker 1: tradition in their family, tater tots, mashed with lumps and 250 00:14:48,080 --> 00:14:51,920 Speaker 1: whipped with peas and onions. And because it's a sitcom, 251 00:14:52,160 --> 00:14:54,960 Speaker 1: they get locked out. Everything gets burned, and I think 252 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:58,320 Speaker 1: they order pizza. They like, order food from somewhere so 253 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:05,120 Speaker 1: no one got there. The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration 254 00:15:05,160 --> 00:15:07,600 Speaker 1: finds that Thanksgiving is the deadliest holiday on the road. 255 00:15:08,200 --> 00:15:10,720 Speaker 1: Don't drink and dry, folks, Yeah, don't. I find this 256 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:12,680 Speaker 1: really surprising because I would have thought New Year's Eve, 257 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:15,960 Speaker 1: our New Year's was the worst. I know, super Bowl 258 00:15:16,040 --> 00:15:18,440 Speaker 1: it's not like a holiday, but the Super Bowl Sunday 259 00:15:18,520 --> 00:15:20,360 Speaker 1: is a really bad one. Oh yeah, yeah. Well I 260 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:22,360 Speaker 1: think that those, you know, I think that more people 261 00:15:22,400 --> 00:15:25,480 Speaker 1: are likely to like call cabs on on a day 262 00:15:25,520 --> 00:15:29,000 Speaker 1: like year New Year's where they they're going out to party. 263 00:15:29,080 --> 00:15:30,600 Speaker 1: But you know, they're like, oh man, I'm just having 264 00:15:30,640 --> 00:15:33,680 Speaker 1: three bottles of wine with my family. That's gonna be 265 00:15:33,720 --> 00:15:37,640 Speaker 1: That's gonna be fine, right, No, no, no, no, no 266 00:15:37,720 --> 00:15:42,040 Speaker 1: it's not. So that's our our Thanksgiving overview. And we 267 00:15:42,160 --> 00:15:46,280 Speaker 1: have a lot of history. Oh yes, a lot. Yes, 268 00:15:46,760 --> 00:15:48,880 Speaker 1: But first we have a quick break for word from 269 00:15:48,920 --> 00:15:59,920 Speaker 1: our sponsor and we're back. Thank you sponsor, Yes, thank you. 270 00:16:00,920 --> 00:16:05,400 Speaker 1: For many of US Americans, we probably know the story 271 00:16:05,480 --> 00:16:10,040 Speaker 1: of Thanksgiving that we heard in elementary school is not 272 00:16:10,280 --> 00:16:16,480 Speaker 1: exactly historically accurate. Nope. However, there is a seed of 273 00:16:16,560 --> 00:16:22,760 Speaker 1: truth to it, m M, one very small pumpkin seed. Yes. Yes, 274 00:16:23,400 --> 00:16:25,840 Speaker 1: first off, the dates can get a little fuzzy, but 275 00:16:25,880 --> 00:16:27,960 Speaker 1: here it goes. And this this actually really surprised me. 276 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:30,480 Speaker 1: I was kind of shocked that they were like well, 277 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:33,520 Speaker 1: you don't know for sure, but we think it's the 278 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:37,760 Speaker 1: state after the one. Two passengers on the Mayflower made 279 00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:41,400 Speaker 1: landfall near Massachusetts in sixteen twenty and formed the town 280 00:16:41,400 --> 00:16:46,240 Speaker 1: of Plymouth. Things were rough during their first winter in 281 00:16:46,280 --> 00:16:50,480 Speaker 1: the New World. Most of the Pilgrims stayed on the Mayflower. 282 00:16:50,520 --> 00:16:53,720 Speaker 1: Only about half of the original colonists lived to see 283 00:16:53,840 --> 00:16:59,240 Speaker 1: the spring. In the fifty three surviving Pilgrims and the 284 00:16:59,240 --> 00:17:03,280 Speaker 1: Patuxetan end of the Wampanoag tribe came together and held 285 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:07,280 Speaker 1: a three day fall harvest feast. This is generally thought 286 00:17:07,280 --> 00:17:10,800 Speaker 1: of as the first Thanksgiving. There were other feasts of 287 00:17:10,920 --> 00:17:14,080 Speaker 1: things before then. It was sort of a thing, these 288 00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:18,040 Speaker 1: days of prayer for military victories or for food, or 289 00:17:18,600 --> 00:17:22,000 Speaker 1: a lot of times we had a religious aspect to it, 290 00:17:22,760 --> 00:17:26,520 Speaker 1: these days of Thanksgiving. This by far was not the 291 00:17:26,560 --> 00:17:29,439 Speaker 1: first time people did that. Oh yeah, no, not not 292 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:32,760 Speaker 1: Europeans and also certainly not the indigenous people's. No. I 293 00:17:32,760 --> 00:17:36,360 Speaker 1: don't know, no, but this is the one that historians 294 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:40,200 Speaker 1: point to as the first. And we'll get into why 295 00:17:40,240 --> 00:17:43,800 Speaker 1: that is a little later. And a lot of myths 296 00:17:43,800 --> 00:17:47,160 Speaker 1: surrounded this event and why it took place. One story 297 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:51,040 Speaker 1: goes that the pilgrims were out fouling for turkeys, geese, 298 00:17:51,040 --> 00:17:54,199 Speaker 1: and duck, and they quote in one day killed as 299 00:17:54,280 --> 00:17:57,880 Speaker 1: much as served the company almost a week, so a lot. 300 00:17:58,960 --> 00:18:03,119 Speaker 1: Soon after, about ninety members of the Wampanoag tribe showed 301 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:07,000 Speaker 1: up at the settlement and the two groups interacted without incident. 302 00:18:07,400 --> 00:18:11,080 Speaker 1: They contributed venison to the feast, and the feast probably 303 00:18:11,560 --> 00:18:17,040 Speaker 1: featured eels, fish, shellfish, fishable stu, cornmeal, cranberries, pumpkin, and 304 00:18:17,080 --> 00:18:21,920 Speaker 1: of course beer. Drunk folks ran races and fired guns 305 00:18:22,080 --> 00:18:25,160 Speaker 1: and celebration. People sat on the ground or on barrels, 306 00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:28,800 Speaker 1: your plates balanced precariously on their lapse. This feast resulted 307 00:18:28,800 --> 00:18:32,000 Speaker 1: in a treaty between the two groups, but it only 308 00:18:32,080 --> 00:18:35,480 Speaker 1: lasted until King Philip's War from sixteen seventy five to 309 00:18:35,560 --> 00:18:39,160 Speaker 1: sixteen seventy six. Relations between the two groups had been 310 00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:42,600 Speaker 1: strained for a while as more and more colonists poured 311 00:18:42,640 --> 00:18:46,320 Speaker 1: into the colony and disease the colonists brought with them, 312 00:18:46,359 --> 00:18:51,320 Speaker 1: called Indian fever, killed about nine of the indigenous peoples 313 00:18:51,480 --> 00:18:55,840 Speaker 1: from sixteen sixteen to sixteen nineteen. Yeah, And to be clear, 314 00:18:56,480 --> 00:19:00,560 Speaker 1: King Philip was the leader of the Wampanoag tribe. It's 315 00:19:00,560 --> 00:19:04,159 Speaker 1: the name that the English gave him. He was the 316 00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:06,919 Speaker 1: son of the man who celebrated this first Thanksgiving with 317 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:10,280 Speaker 1: the Pilgrims. King Philip's War broke out after some of 318 00:19:10,359 --> 00:19:13,800 Speaker 1: King Philip's men, his Wampanoag name was a meta Commet, 319 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:20,160 Speaker 1: murdered Christian convert and the Punkapog interpreter John Sassamon. Hundreds 320 00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:24,480 Speaker 1: of colonists and thousands of Native Americans died. Some estimates 321 00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:27,400 Speaker 1: put the death toll at thirty percent of the English 322 00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:31,560 Speaker 1: population and fifty percent of the Native American population. The 323 00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:35,320 Speaker 1: town of Springfield and Massachusetts was burned down, the food 324 00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:40,800 Speaker 1: stores of the Narraganesset's tribe was destroyed. Meta Comet went 325 00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:44,200 Speaker 1: to New York for reinforcements, but was instead attacked by 326 00:19:44,280 --> 00:19:48,280 Speaker 1: the Mohawk tribe, and he was killed soon after returning home. 327 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:52,480 Speaker 1: Some accounts say he was beheaded and dismembered. His allies 328 00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:54,760 Speaker 1: were sold into slavery, and his head was put on 329 00:19:54,800 --> 00:19:57,879 Speaker 1: a spike where it remained for a quarter of a century. 330 00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:02,679 Speaker 1: And this was the again this and of the tribe 331 00:20:02,760 --> 00:20:08,560 Speaker 1: leader who celebrated that first Thanksgiving. Okay, other historians think 332 00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:11,520 Speaker 1: that The first Thanksgiving took place in sixteen thirty seven 333 00:20:11,840 --> 00:20:14,919 Speaker 1: after Massachusetts Governor John Winthrop called for a day of 334 00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:18,440 Speaker 1: Thanksgiving to celebrate the slaughter of seven hundred pe quads. 335 00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:28,280 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's not nice. M Early settlers in Virginia 336 00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:31,760 Speaker 1: celebrated an annual Thanksgiving as far back as sixteen nineteen, 337 00:20:32,240 --> 00:20:35,200 Speaker 1: and if you go back even further to fifteen sixty five, Florida, 338 00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:39,080 Speaker 1: members of the Seloy tribe had meal of Thanksgiving with 339 00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:46,399 Speaker 1: Spanish settlers that included things like salted pork and garbonzo beans. Yeah. Also, 340 00:20:47,240 --> 00:20:49,919 Speaker 1: when it comes to Squanto, who's someone a lot of 341 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:52,520 Speaker 1: US Americans are probably familiar with when it comes to 342 00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:56,520 Speaker 1: this whole Thanksgiving tail. As far as we know, he 343 00:20:56,560 --> 00:20:59,439 Speaker 1: did in fact help out newly arriving settlers in the 344 00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:03,320 Speaker 1: early seen hundreds as a translator and a teacher, showing 345 00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:07,240 Speaker 1: them where to catch fish and how to grow corn. However, 346 00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:10,200 Speaker 1: he was captured by the English in sixteen fourteen and 347 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:13,159 Speaker 1: sold into slavery. Over the next couple of years, he 348 00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:15,439 Speaker 1: learned English and he did make it back to New 349 00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:19,640 Speaker 1: England and sixteen nineteen, but by then the Patuxet tribe, 350 00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:26,720 Speaker 1: which was his tribe had been wiped out by smallpox. Thanksgiving, yeah, 351 00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:30,439 Speaker 1: right before you go celebrate with your family. Yeah, you 352 00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:34,040 Speaker 1: can get drunk on wine and regale them with these 353 00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:38,080 Speaker 1: fun facts. Yeah. The European settlers did really terrible things 354 00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:44,080 Speaker 1: they did, and we're not through. When the Constitution was enacted, 355 00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:48,840 Speaker 1: the Continental Congress called for a national Thanksgiving, but then 356 00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:51,600 Speaker 1: Congress left Thanksgiving up to be decided by the states, 357 00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:56,000 Speaker 1: in some of which really didn't like the federal government 358 00:21:56,000 --> 00:22:00,439 Speaker 1: getting involved in any religious observations, which, again, thank Giving 359 00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:03,879 Speaker 1: was for a long time a religious thing. The South 360 00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:07,000 Speaker 1: didn't really get into it like the North did, and 361 00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:09,200 Speaker 1: it was the source of a lot of controversy, more 362 00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:13,760 Speaker 1: divisive than unifying. And this brings us to the mid 363 00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:16,800 Speaker 1: eighteen hundreds, when the North dominated the federal government and 364 00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:20,920 Speaker 1: the country was more divided than ever during the Civil War, 365 00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:26,439 Speaker 1: and it brings us to Sarah Josifa Hale. She was 366 00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:29,560 Speaker 1: the editor of the magazine Goadie's Ladies Book and also 367 00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:31,800 Speaker 1: the author of Mary Had a Little Lamb Just for 368 00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:36,080 Speaker 1: another fun tidbit about her, and she thought that a 369 00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:42,359 Speaker 1: national day of Thanksgiving was just what America needed to unify. Okay, sure, 370 00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:46,080 Speaker 1: She had found the writings of Edward Winslow, one of 371 00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:49,320 Speaker 1: the two attendees at the supposed first Thanksgiving who wrote 372 00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:52,840 Speaker 1: about it, whose records still survive, and she wanted to 373 00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:57,000 Speaker 1: revive this. Of note, the Boston clergyman who rediscovered and 374 00:22:57,040 --> 00:23:00,439 Speaker 1: published these writings labeled them the first thing giving that 375 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:02,840 Speaker 1: they were describing the first Thanksgiving, but he did it 376 00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:09,119 Speaker 1: kind of arbitrarily. She started publishing articles and recipes about it. 377 00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:12,680 Speaker 1: A description of Turkey from the other surviving written record 378 00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:15,040 Speaker 1: of the event convinced her that Turkey needed to be 379 00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:20,520 Speaker 1: involved in this meal, and beginning in she started a 380 00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:26,520 Speaker 1: letter campaign m HM five American presidents. Five received a 381 00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:32,200 Speaker 1: letter from Hale, President Taylor, President Fillmore, President Pierce, President Buchanan, 382 00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:35,440 Speaker 1: and then President Lincoln, and more than one letter a piece. 383 00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:37,920 Speaker 1: Right like this was like at least once a year 384 00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:42,000 Speaker 1: she would send these letters. She was very, very determined, 385 00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:46,080 Speaker 1: and it paid off. Her efforts were successful when Abraham 386 00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:50,960 Speaker 1: Lincoln declared that Thursday, November eighteen sixty three, which was 387 00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:54,600 Speaker 1: during the Civil War, as a national Thanksgiving Day. He 388 00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:58,680 Speaker 1: advised Americans to quote commend to his tender care all 389 00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:02,320 Speaker 1: those who have become widows orphans, mourners or sufferers in 390 00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:06,800 Speaker 1: the littlementable civil strife, and to heal the wounds of 391 00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:11,520 Speaker 1: the nation. Hale also really helped sell this idea that 392 00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:15,480 Speaker 1: the first Thanksgiving was a beautiful love fest between the 393 00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:18,359 Speaker 1: Native Americans and the Pilgrims, that version we hear in 394 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:21,680 Speaker 1: elementary school. Yeah. She was also the one who kind 395 00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:25,159 Speaker 1: of cemented our concept of the visual concept of the 396 00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:27,520 Speaker 1: Pilgrims that we learned in elementary school, that whole black 397 00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:30,520 Speaker 1: and white outfit and the whole thing. Yeah, it in reality, 398 00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:33,080 Speaker 1: they would have been wearing like, I mean, they were 399 00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:35,920 Speaker 1: really poor and they've kind of been run out of England, 400 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:38,720 Speaker 1: like they were wearing whatever they could afford, which was 401 00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:43,680 Speaker 1: probably a wild hodgepodge of different colors and cheap fabrics. Yeah. 402 00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:47,360 Speaker 1: I've always wondered about that, but yeah, Sarah Josifa Hall 403 00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:52,399 Speaker 1: real victorian about stuff. Yeah she was. Indeed, her idea 404 00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:55,600 Speaker 1: of a Thanksgiving meal did include turkey and stuffing, but 405 00:24:55,640 --> 00:25:00,240 Speaker 1: also steak, pork, mutton, geese, ducks, chicken pie, roasted veged bowles, 406 00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:03,640 Speaker 1: lots of gravy, mashed potatoes, cranberry sauce, and pumpkin pie. 407 00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:07,720 Speaker 1: You know, I have to go on a brief aside. 408 00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:12,320 Speaker 1: I love pumpkin and I love pumpkin pie. My family 409 00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:14,280 Speaker 1: is really weird about it, and they won't eat it. 410 00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:18,960 Speaker 1: They've never had it. They used to try it. Have 411 00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:22,959 Speaker 1: they had sweet potato pie? No, okay, but they've had 412 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:25,920 Speaker 1: sweet potato castrole And I told you that's something that 413 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:29,160 Speaker 1: goes first, and it's it's become a source of contention 414 00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:32,800 Speaker 1: because in my view, if I'm cooking the meal, then 415 00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:34,840 Speaker 1: they're stuck with what you give it. I want to 416 00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:39,040 Speaker 1: eat some pumpkin pie, right, but they won't eat it. 417 00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:41,000 Speaker 1: I did make one year. I made a virgin I 418 00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:42,720 Speaker 1: thought they might like, which is sort of a pumpkin 419 00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:48,960 Speaker 1: cheesecake concoction, and they didn't need it. I'm so jealous 420 00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:54,680 Speaker 1: of people eating pumpkin Thanksgiving. You can. You can make 421 00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:57,399 Speaker 1: one for yourself. I mean, it's true. I know that 422 00:25:57,400 --> 00:26:00,159 Speaker 1: that's like extra work. Yeah, and I'm afraid I'll the 423 00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:06,200 Speaker 1: whole thing. I probably would, uh, but of about pumpkin pie. 424 00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:10,879 Speaker 1: By eighteen sixty nine, pumpkin pie was called the inevitable 425 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:18,119 Speaker 1: Thanksgiving dish. So that's been around for a while. And 426 00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:22,000 Speaker 1: if you're wondering why the last Thursday of the month 427 00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:25,520 Speaker 1: for this holiday. Hale thought that this would give women, 428 00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:27,520 Speaker 1: who were pretty much doing all of the cooking at 429 00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:32,200 Speaker 1: the time, time to prepare this huge feast on top 430 00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:37,440 Speaker 1: of the traditional weekly big Sunday meal. So so, yeah, 431 00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:40,200 Speaker 1: so place it on a Thursday, and that way, ladies, 432 00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:43,879 Speaker 1: you have time to clean up your dishes and do 433 00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:49,760 Speaker 1: it again on Sunday. That's why it's on Thursday. Huh. 434 00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:52,640 Speaker 1: In eighteen seventy six we have the first Thanksgiving Day 435 00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:58,080 Speaker 1: football game with Yale v. Princeton. Each president after Lincoln 436 00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:01,120 Speaker 1: has declared the national Day of Thanksgiving along with what 437 00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:04,240 Speaker 1: date it would fall on, and typically it was the 438 00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:09,080 Speaker 1: last Thursday of the month during President Franklin Roosevelt's time 439 00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:11,640 Speaker 1: in office, so he specified that Thanksgiving should be celebrated 440 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:15,679 Speaker 1: on the fourth Thursday, never on the rare fifth Thursday 441 00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:20,919 Speaker 1: of November, as opposed to President Lincoln's last Thursday of 442 00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:24,760 Speaker 1: the month, which could be the fifth one. FDR did 443 00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:27,879 Speaker 1: try to move Thanksgiving to the third Thursday of the 444 00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:31,400 Speaker 1: month in order to extend the holiday shopping season. Oh 445 00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:34,240 Speaker 1: that's what he was ankling for, yeah, which which starts 446 00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:38,760 Speaker 1: after Thanksgiving and boost the economy in but some states 447 00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:42,840 Speaker 1: were not on board and did not comply, and he 448 00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:45,440 Speaker 1: and Congress moved it to the fourth Thursday in nine. 449 00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:48,440 Speaker 1: So one year later, okay, they're like, oh, never mind, 450 00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:51,880 Speaker 1: never mind. People are not happy with this. Yeah, maybe 451 00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:54,160 Speaker 1: not the last Thursday, but certainly not the third okay, 452 00:27:54,760 --> 00:28:00,639 Speaker 1: fourth compromise. The first Macy's Day Parade took place in 453 00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:06,880 Speaker 1: nineteen twenty four, and the turkey timer popped up uh 454 00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:09,639 Speaker 1: in the nineteen fifties as the result of a serious 455 00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:13,800 Speaker 1: brainstorm done by the California Turkey Producer's Advisory Board. A 456 00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:16,600 Speaker 1: serious storm. Serious. Oh yeah, Well, they were worried that 457 00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:19,960 Speaker 1: turkey was being given a bad name due to people's 458 00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:24,320 Speaker 1: poor cooking of turkey on Thanksgiving, and so they this. 459 00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:27,040 Speaker 1: It was like a three day they all like locked 460 00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:29,080 Speaker 1: themselves in a room and we're all like, we need 461 00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:31,399 Speaker 1: to solve this problem. How can we let people know 462 00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:35,520 Speaker 1: when their turkey is done? And uh, finally, the picture 463 00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:37,440 Speaker 1: that I have in my head is of this one 464 00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:40,560 Speaker 1: guy like in an office chair, spinning around, staring at 465 00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:46,480 Speaker 1: the ceiling hopelessly, and his eyes fell upon a fire 466 00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:49,760 Speaker 1: sprinkler in the ceiling and he was like, there's a 467 00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:54,520 Speaker 1: little bit inside a fire sprinkler that melts when when 468 00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:57,240 Speaker 1: it hits a certain temperature, and that's how the water 469 00:28:57,440 --> 00:28:59,920 Speaker 1: knows to release. That's how the water is trigger to release. 470 00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:02,080 Speaker 1: And he was like, I can do that in a 471 00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:05,840 Speaker 1: turkey tim er and so yeah, so it works by 472 00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:08,959 Speaker 1: a little thing in their milts when when the turkey 473 00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:13,720 Speaker 1: is at the right temperature. Hypothetically, yeah, not use a 474 00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:19,440 Speaker 1: probe thermometer, y'all. She is very suspicious. But I do 475 00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:22,200 Speaker 1: love the story. I do. That's a great story. As 476 00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:24,880 Speaker 1: we touched on in our Turkey episode, the first turkey 477 00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:30,480 Speaker 1: was officially pardoned by President George H. W. Bush And Um, 478 00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:33,960 Speaker 1: if you want kind of a funny, I'll say funny. Yeah, 479 00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:37,240 Speaker 1: I know it's funny. Kristen Kristen is hilarious. Risten Conger 480 00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:40,720 Speaker 1: of Unlady like our past stuff Mom Never Told You 481 00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:43,200 Speaker 1: co host, Um, I was a video producer over at 482 00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:45,520 Speaker 1: Stuff I Ever told You And we made a video 483 00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:49,840 Speaker 1: of her story video all about this If you want 484 00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:52,800 Speaker 1: to check it out, it's on YouTube. It definitely focuses 485 00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:58,200 Speaker 1: more on Sarah Josepha Hale and her eccentricities. Yes that's 486 00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:00,680 Speaker 1: a good word. Yeah, I love it. I love it. 487 00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:04,560 Speaker 1: It's really it's really funny. Um, And we should say 488 00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:09,560 Speaker 1: on Thanksgiving, some indigenous people's fast and observe a national 489 00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:14,240 Speaker 1: day of morning. So I think it's good to to 490 00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:18,240 Speaker 1: keep all of this history in mind. It does feel 491 00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:22,760 Speaker 1: as though we've become very divorced from what it once was, 492 00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:26,600 Speaker 1: from from what like the reality of the situation could 493 00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:29,120 Speaker 1: have possibly been. Um and and yeah, and that that 494 00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:33,200 Speaker 1: syrupy story is it'll fine for kindergarteners. I'm not saying 495 00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:38,280 Speaker 1: that you should be like, well right, timmy, um, don't 496 00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:41,640 Speaker 1: scardim me for a life. But but yeah, no, it's 497 00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:43,760 Speaker 1: it's it's really important to keep in mind. And as 498 00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:45,520 Speaker 1: it is with with all of the with all of 499 00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:48,120 Speaker 1: the terrible things we tell you about history on this show, 500 00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:53,680 Speaker 1: yes you're welcome. But as we've mentioned a little bit 501 00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:56,480 Speaker 1: in this episode, the United States is not the only 502 00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:59,800 Speaker 1: country that celebrates Thanksgiving, and turkey is not the only 503 00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:02,920 Speaker 1: thing that's consumed. That's right, And we'll get to both 504 00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:04,920 Speaker 1: of those things after we get back from a quick 505 00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:15,480 Speaker 1: break for a word from our sponsor, and we're back. 506 00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:19,560 Speaker 1: Thank you, sponsor, Yes, thank you. So a gallop pole 507 00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:23,400 Speaker 1: in this our year of found that about eight percent 508 00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:26,920 Speaker 1: of Americans don't eat meat, about five percent being vegetarian 509 00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:30,280 Speaker 1: and three vegan. And that is a smallish percentage, but 510 00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:33,200 Speaker 1: it equals out to over twenty six million people. So 511 00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:36,040 Speaker 1: what are those folks to do on a holiday built 512 00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:43,200 Speaker 1: around turkey? What are the The kind of traditional answer 513 00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:48,360 Speaker 1: at this point is to furkey mm hmm. The first 514 00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:51,320 Speaker 1: to furkey meal was sold locally in Oregon. It was 515 00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:54,960 Speaker 1: a collaboration between a tempa maker and a vegetarian catering company. 516 00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:58,640 Speaker 1: The tempa maker was one Seth Tibot, who had founded 517 00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:02,720 Speaker 1: the brand Turtle Island Foods. And he started with an incubator. 518 00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:06,520 Speaker 1: An incubator because that's how you make temper. We did 519 00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:09,240 Speaker 1: a whole episode about it. It involves fungus. It's pretty rad, 520 00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:11,320 Speaker 1: you know, see see that episode for more. But yeah, 521 00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:14,200 Speaker 1: he made his first incubator out of a discarded refrigerator 522 00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:18,400 Speaker 1: that was heated with strands of Christmas lights. Oh my goodness. 523 00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:21,440 Speaker 1: By this point he had moved on from that. But 524 00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:24,920 Speaker 1: but yeah, the catering company Higher Taste had been making 525 00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:28,280 Speaker 1: these two order stuffed tofu roasts that were glazed with 526 00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:31,160 Speaker 1: orange juice and soy sauce. They were pretty popular, and 527 00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:34,920 Speaker 1: Tibet to go with this, mixed some wild rice and 528 00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:37,880 Speaker 1: cranberry into his temper, stamped it into little drumat forms, 529 00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:39,840 Speaker 1: and they packaged the two together. Is this nice little 530 00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:43,400 Speaker 1: frozen entree. Tibet insisted on the name to fur Key, 531 00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:46,640 Speaker 1: over the strong objections of everyone else involved. They were like, 532 00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:49,240 Speaker 1: that's ridiculous. Can we have a little bit of decorum here, 533 00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:54,880 Speaker 1: and he was like, no, no, to fur Key. They 534 00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:57,480 Speaker 1: bought a recipe for wheat gluten and started mixing their 535 00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:00,840 Speaker 1: tofu with that, which which made from much better texture 536 00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:04,040 Speaker 1: after freezing and reheating, because tofu unto itself goes a 537 00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:07,760 Speaker 1: little bit like spongey when it's been frozen and reheated. Yeah, 538 00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:11,280 Speaker 1: And meanwhile, folks were so entertained by the name that 539 00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:14,000 Speaker 1: the product was getting a lot of press and orders 540 00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:16,959 Speaker 1: started pouring in from all over the country. It was 541 00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:21,360 Speaker 1: a wild success. In a food co op in Minneapolis 542 00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:27,040 Speaker 1: publicly pardoned a toe furkey, of course, of course, And uh, yeah, 543 00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:28,640 Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know if y'all listeners have 544 00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:32,360 Speaker 1: ever had one. Um, they're they're kind of rubbery, they 545 00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:35,040 Speaker 1: don't you know they don't really brown. Well, they roll 546 00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:40,600 Speaker 1: around in roasting pans maddeningly. Um, but uh. A writer 547 00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:43,320 Speaker 1: for The New Yorker Vegetarian by the name of Jonathan 548 00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:47,960 Speaker 1: Kaufman said that it's quote nonetheless a bit turkey like 549 00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:50,720 Speaker 1: and its trusty stodginess. It's the thing that's on the 550 00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:56,760 Speaker 1: holiday table because it's supposed to be there. Oh, that's 551 00:33:56,840 --> 00:34:01,800 Speaker 1: kind of wonderful. He was right about the nigmebok. Yes, Um, 552 00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:03,720 Speaker 1: I feel like I just have vastly different taste and 553 00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:07,960 Speaker 1: almost everyone in my family but I love turkey and 554 00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:10,080 Speaker 1: I never get to eat it. But they all act 555 00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:14,200 Speaker 1: like they'd be fine if it wasn't and I've been 556 00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:17,600 Speaker 1: determined to keep it, keep the tradition going. But that's 557 00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:19,839 Speaker 1: why we cook him as well, because they would rather 558 00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:24,640 Speaker 1: have him. But yeah, they definitely think it's just the 559 00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:27,480 Speaker 1: thing that's supposed to be there. Huh. Yeah. That that 560 00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:29,560 Speaker 1: The whole ham thing is still mystifying to me because 561 00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:32,000 Speaker 1: beside of my family that I grew up having holidays 562 00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:34,279 Speaker 1: with was the Jewish side of my family, and so 563 00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:37,080 Speaker 1: we did not eat ham. Well, I mean, my dad 564 00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:40,319 Speaker 1: and my grandma and I all ate ham. But at 565 00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:45,880 Speaker 1: family holidays where we had some slightly more pious observers, right, 566 00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:49,520 Speaker 1: we certainly wouldn't serve a ham, And so the very idea, 567 00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:51,879 Speaker 1: I'm like, I've gotten used to the idea that people 568 00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:53,960 Speaker 1: eat it for Christmas, but I'm still mystified by its 569 00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:57,400 Speaker 1: showing up on Thanksgiving tables. Yeah. I think it's just 570 00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:01,200 Speaker 1: because some people don't really dig turkey. Um, I love 571 00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:03,759 Speaker 1: a turkey. I do too. And for my brother that 572 00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:07,200 Speaker 1: is a vegetarian, now, um, there's just so much food 573 00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:12,960 Speaker 1: anyway that he didn't ask for a to furkey. Oh yeah, 574 00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:16,400 Speaker 1: there's there's a lot. I mean, there's some really interesting 575 00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:20,479 Speaker 1: looking recipes for making your own tofu roast or other 576 00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:24,759 Speaker 1: meat alternative roast on online, so you know, if you're 577 00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:27,759 Speaker 1: not really into cooking and you like to for I mean, also, 578 00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:29,760 Speaker 1: if you like to furkey, go for it. Oh totally, 579 00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:33,680 Speaker 1: don't let our opinions sway. You like what you like, 580 00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:35,400 Speaker 1: like would you like? But but if you're less than 581 00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:37,400 Speaker 1: happy with it, there's so many recipes out there for 582 00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:42,000 Speaker 1: cool stuff. So yeah, yeah, but now to furkey. Side 583 00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:46,920 Speaker 1: to side, it's time for a word about Canada. Canada, 584 00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:49,400 Speaker 1: too has a Thanksgiving with a lot of the same 585 00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:52,439 Speaker 1: themes and a lot of the same foods. One thing 586 00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:56,040 Speaker 1: we should mention the indigenous peoples of Canada were also 587 00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:59,760 Speaker 1: doing something similar to a thanks getting feast long before 588 00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:04,040 Speaker 1: in the Europeans showed up. The first known day of 589 00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:07,080 Speaker 1: a European base thanks having in Canada took place in 590 00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:10,920 Speaker 1: fifteen seventy eight, after Martin Frobisher's expedition came to a 591 00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:15,080 Speaker 1: safe conclusion Frobisher's fleet. In the present day Noneavate tribe 592 00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:21,839 Speaker 1: were in attendance or not. Another similarity multiple origin stories here. 593 00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:24,680 Speaker 1: Another version goes that in sixteen or six, a meat 594 00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:29,080 Speaker 1: heavy celebration in Port Royal on November sixteen or six, 595 00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:32,880 Speaker 1: hosted by Samuel de Champlain, might have been the first 596 00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:36,360 Speaker 1: European based thanksgiving. The meal, a part of the Order 597 00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:38,920 Speaker 1: of Good Cheer, brought together the indigenous peoples of the 598 00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:41,759 Speaker 1: region and the Europeans. The Order of Good Cheer, by 599 00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:43,799 Speaker 1: the way, was a dinner series with the goal of 600 00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:48,719 Speaker 1: preventing malnutrition and scurvy among colonists. Yesn't that is an 601 00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:53,680 Speaker 1: Order of Good Cheer dinner series. I like that. Also 602 00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:57,520 Speaker 1: note here that either either of these stories Canadians beat 603 00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:00,600 Speaker 1: us to the Thanksgiving punch by like a good decades, 604 00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:05,080 Speaker 1: which is interesting. Yeah go Canada, Yeah, Yeah go Canada. Um, 605 00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:08,560 Speaker 1: another Stego. Settlers in Canada might not have survived at 606 00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:11,759 Speaker 1: all without the help of micmac who taught them how 607 00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:14,799 Speaker 1: to ice fish and introduced them to a beret with 608 00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:17,359 Speaker 1: a lot of vitamin C in it. As a thank you, 609 00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:21,520 Speaker 1: the colonists invited the micmak to their November fourteen celebration 610 00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:25,000 Speaker 1: with food, muskets and perhaps the first play ever performed 611 00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:29,520 Speaker 1: in North America, They Have to Do Neptune. Basically, it 612 00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:32,799 Speaker 1: was the story of the indigenous people swearing fealty to 613 00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:38,000 Speaker 1: the newly arrived explorers after these newcomers had received congrats 614 00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:42,400 Speaker 1: from the god Neptune. These explorers also bought smallpox with 615 00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:46,960 Speaker 1: them and conflict and war. An organization called Canada first 616 00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:51,400 Speaker 1: started pushing for a white Protestant Canada in the eighteen sixties, 617 00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:55,879 Speaker 1: and Thanksgiving was a part of that push. Um and yeah, 618 00:37:56,160 --> 00:38:00,760 Speaker 1: remember Thanksgiving used to be much more religious. The National 619 00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:03,560 Speaker 1: Thanksgiving Day was declared to be on November six by 620 00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:06,640 Speaker 1: Parliament in eighteen seventy nine, and it's moved a few times, 621 00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:08,920 Speaker 1: but in nineteen fifty seven, it was degreed to fall 622 00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:11,920 Speaker 1: on the second Monday in October, and it is an 623 00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:15,960 Speaker 1: optional holiday in Atlantic Canada and like not really a 624 00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:18,120 Speaker 1: big deal at all in Quebec, where it is known, 625 00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:20,839 Speaker 1: by the way, not as Thanksgiving but as the help 626 00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:24,919 Speaker 1: me with the sandy. Oh there you go. A few 627 00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:29,240 Speaker 1: other cultural differences because there's no holiday to buffer Halloween 628 00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:32,480 Speaker 1: and Christmas. Because this happens in early October, some Canadians 629 00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:35,400 Speaker 1: start putting up Christmas decorations the day after Halloween. M 630 00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:42,120 Speaker 1: My stomach churns at that. Also, another Thanksgiving tradition in 631 00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:45,960 Speaker 1: the United States is Black Friday, the shopping day after Thanksgiving. 632 00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:49,200 Speaker 1: And although it started in the United States, of course, 633 00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:51,560 Speaker 1: because you know, Canadians don't have the next day off, 634 00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:54,840 Speaker 1: it's being picked up in Canada now too, Black Friday. 635 00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:59,320 Speaker 1: Black Friday as in after the US Thanksgiving or okay, 636 00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:03,520 Speaker 1: so yeah, huh yeah. In order to prevent Canadians who 637 00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:05,520 Speaker 1: live near the border like just going over to the 638 00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:09,280 Speaker 1: US for sales, They're like to keep the money in Canada. 639 00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:14,759 Speaker 1: We'll have sales too, Okay, sure. My mom and I 640 00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:18,359 Speaker 1: I have a history of Black Friday shopping and it 641 00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:20,719 Speaker 1: has been fascinating to see it the rise and fall 642 00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:24,480 Speaker 1: of it, because now it's kind of wonderful in my opinion, 643 00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:28,240 Speaker 1: because there's nobody really there. Oh yeah, oh man. People 644 00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:30,120 Speaker 1: come in around like one or two, which is when 645 00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:34,680 Speaker 1: the doorbusters are over. Um, so I don't understand why, 646 00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:38,319 Speaker 1: but most people are doing their shopping online. I imagine, yeah, well, 647 00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:40,839 Speaker 1: it got to be such a terrible thing for so long. 648 00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:45,120 Speaker 1: But yeah. Oh. I had a friend one time, one 649 00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:47,239 Speaker 1: family that I was spending a lot of Thanksgivings with, 650 00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:53,000 Speaker 1: the husband would stay up all night to get there 651 00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:58,760 Speaker 1: so early and do the thing. And I was just like, Yeah, 652 00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:01,560 Speaker 1: that is a dedication and a tolerance for other human 653 00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:05,919 Speaker 1: people that I do not possess. I worked on Black 654 00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:12,000 Speaker 1: Friday for a while, so I've seen some things. Some things. Man, 655 00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:16,400 Speaker 1: You've got like a lot of Thanksgiving scars. But I 656 00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:20,600 Speaker 1: love it. Um. And this this brings us to the 657 00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:23,600 Speaker 1: end of this episode for a little peek behind the curtain, 658 00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:26,720 Speaker 1: because we're not gonna do listener mail. Um. We're actually 659 00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:31,399 Speaker 1: recording this on Halloween because I'm about to I'm going 660 00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:33,440 Speaker 1: on a vacation for a little bit and then we're 661 00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:37,040 Speaker 1: going to be in New Orleans and the New York. 662 00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:39,919 Speaker 1: It feels like time traveling in a strange way. It does, 663 00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:42,080 Speaker 1: it does. I also, I don't think we've ever been 664 00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:45,839 Speaker 1: this far ahead in recording the show. It feels really 665 00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:49,480 Speaker 1: strange and I don't like it. I know, like, should 666 00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:53,520 Speaker 1: I be getting ready for Thanksgiving? It's Halloween. Also, in 667 00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:56,239 Speaker 1: case anyone's worried, I found the butter finger today, so 668 00:40:56,280 --> 00:41:00,440 Speaker 1: I got my candies. We won't be destroyed. Congratulate Latians. 669 00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:07,680 Speaker 1: Thank you. I'm glad. But we really hope that you 670 00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:12,360 Speaker 1: enjoy your Thanksgiving, if you celebrate it, whatever you happen 671 00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:16,680 Speaker 1: to be celebrating. Yeah, we we hope that whether or 672 00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:19,000 Speaker 1: not you're celebrating, that you have lots of things to 673 00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:23,600 Speaker 1: be thankful for, and that you're eating something great. Yes, yes, 674 00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:25,759 Speaker 1: we're all about that. Or if you are choosing to 675 00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:28,560 Speaker 1: take a day of fast that tomorrow you will eat 676 00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:33,680 Speaker 1: something great. Yes, well put Lauren um and we would 677 00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:37,440 Speaker 1: love to hear what kind of foods you eat, oh, yeah, 678 00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:41,120 Speaker 1: giving or whatever kind of feasting meal that you have 679 00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:44,560 Speaker 1: throughout the year. Um, please send those two us. You 680 00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:47,880 Speaker 1: can email us at hello at savor pod dot com. 681 00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:50,880 Speaker 1: We're also on social media. You can find us on Facebook, Twitter, 682 00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:53,960 Speaker 1: and Instagram at savor Pod. We hope to hear from you. 683 00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:56,600 Speaker 1: Thank you so much to our super producer Dylan Fagan, 684 00:41:56,840 --> 00:41:58,600 Speaker 1: Thank you to you for listening, and we hope that 685 00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:02,280 Speaker 1: lots more good things are coming your way.