Speaker 1: The following. Here's a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com
Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club Cowboys. This is Mick
Speaker 1: Shot screening live on Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the
Speaker 1: official Dallas Cowboys at now Here are Bill Jones, Everson Walls,
Speaker 1: and Micky Spagnola. And just like any good team, whenever
Speaker 1: he comes down to playoff time, you have to be
Speaker 1: willing to roll with the punches. You gotta be able
Speaker 1: to call to the bench, called to the bullpen, and
Speaker 1: come in hot. And that is exactly what Mick Shots
Speaker 1: is doing today. I am not Bill Jones sitting in
Speaker 1: for the legend himself. I'm Kyle Yeoman's glad to be
Speaker 1: alongside Everson Walls. We've got Mickey Spagnola on the phone,
Speaker 1: and if you're watching us live, you won't see Mickey,
Speaker 1: but we guarantee Mickey is here and he is present
Speaker 1: as we bring you a Tuesday edition of Mix Shots.
Speaker 1: How's everybody doing ever? Since? You're doing all right? Man,
Speaker 1: I'm doing just fine. I gotta say you built yourself
Speaker 1: up pretty well. Then you kind of raise the bar.
Speaker 1: Oh well, thank you, how well you do? We'll see
Speaker 1: how I can fit in of course, I'm across Dallas
Speaker 1: Cowboys dot com, but glad to make my mix Shots appearance.
Speaker 1: You're wearing your victory white as the cowboys you're hiding.
Speaker 1: They're white out this way outside too. It went well
Speaker 1: with the with the weather. Oh good, good, absolutely, Mickey,
Speaker 1: how are you doing? Can you hear us? All right?
Speaker 1: I've got you loud and clear and ready to go.
Speaker 1: Now you've you've had an interesting day so far getting
Speaker 1: set for this show. We were just talking about it
Speaker 1: a little bit off the air, but you're your journey
Speaker 1: to be on mix Shots today was not your favorite thing, right, Yeah?
Speaker 1: It probably started it around quarters of eleven and ended
Speaker 1: at about one o'clock trying to figure out why the
Speaker 1: video from the uh app we used to get video
Speaker 1: on the show from Afar wasn't working, and we moved
Speaker 1: all the way to broken up video, which was better
Speaker 1: than the color bars that we were dealing with, but
Speaker 1: didn't quite get there. So, yeah, no one gets to
Speaker 1: see my beautiful face today. Yeah, that's unfortunate. That's a
Speaker 1: loss for everybody involved. They at least get to hear
Speaker 1: you say that. I mean, can we honestly say that
Speaker 1: to a loss? You know? We miss you, but to
Speaker 1: say a loss, that's uh, that's different. That's a little
Speaker 1: bit too far. But Chris beam in the back, he
Speaker 1: was he was trying to get it all set up,
Speaker 1: and I walked in. He goes look at Mickey and
Speaker 1: he just pointed up to the screen and it just
Speaker 1: looks like a bunch of colors put together. It actually
Speaker 1: looked like a painting. And Chris came up with, am
Speaker 1: not gonna see it first? Oh, we gotta know what
Speaker 1: it looked like. It looked like that commercial when the
Speaker 1: lady's face broke up. I'm not a bad aunt. The
Speaker 1: is that an a T and T commercial? I think?
Speaker 1: All right, here we go, here we go. I got it,
Speaker 1: I hope. So okay, yeah, there it is on Everson's
Speaker 1: camera here. That guys, what do we call that now, Kyle,
Speaker 1: you can go ahead. Is the Macasso? That is the Micasso? Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what happens when you have a droid phone as
Speaker 1: opposed to the beautiful iPhone that we're dealing with right here. Oh,
Speaker 1: this is what rod commercial. I'll tell you what. I'd
Speaker 1: rather get paid by one that works. Okay, I'd rather
Speaker 1: get paid by one that works. Thank you. Sir very much,
Speaker 1: Thank you Chris for that. This is this is better.
Speaker 1: You better check the sponsor list for the Cowboys before
Speaker 1: you start throwing that. Yeah, that's true, that's true. We
Speaker 1: need to we gotta be careful about It's okay. I
Speaker 1: think you're fine. I think you're fine. But the micasso
Speaker 1: was what we were we were greeted with today. But Mickey,
Speaker 1: any anything stand out to you? Jerry Jones was on
Speaker 1: the fan earlier today kind of talking about going into
Speaker 1: this wildcard matchup as the Cowboys and the San Francisco
Speaker 1: forty nine ers, a classic matchup that I know you
Speaker 1: guys talked about a death yesterday, But anything stick out
Speaker 1: to you? And what Jerry said, Mick, Well, he said,
Speaker 1: you know, I thought he started off basically pointing out that,
Speaker 1: you know, he appreciated what happened, what the Cowboys did,
Speaker 1: Like the game on Saturday night had nothing to do
Speaker 1: with what Philadelphia did or didn't. It had everything to
Speaker 1: do he said about us, how we executed, how our
Speaker 1: offensive line played, how different individuals executed, the defense performing,
Speaker 1: and it was just about us and he appreciated how
Speaker 1: that turned out. And then obviously move on to San
Speaker 1: Francisco and you know, and I think one of the
Speaker 1: questions was, you know, would you have preferred to play
Speaker 1: somebody else? And he said, hey, these are the playoffs. Um,
Speaker 1: everything's razor thin out there. Uh so you gotta go play.
Speaker 1: You can't worry about who you're playing. You gotta go play.
Speaker 1: And you know he's exactly right, there's there's no cream
Speaker 1: puffs out there. You know, they didn't they didn't give
Speaker 1: the Cowboys the opportunity to play Houston. Uh so, you know,
Speaker 1: just get ready, buckled down and see what your best
Speaker 1: can do against their best. Hey, hey, cows over here
Speaker 1: laughing at you, your Humphrey Bogart era of of of
Speaker 1: of language here. Yeah, I can see the headlines now.
Speaker 1: Mickey Spatt says the Houston Texans are puff. Well, you
Speaker 1: know what, they got one coming because a couple of
Speaker 1: years ago, when they were in the playoffs and the
Speaker 1: Cowboys weren't on their website, they posted a picture of
Speaker 1: an Wow, that's some shade. That some shade, that's I think.
Speaker 1: You know what, if you're in the playoffs every year,
Speaker 1: then go at it, right, but let's not get in
Speaker 1: one time and then stop throwing itself that's what you
Speaker 1: gotta do, though. You gotta establish your dominance when every
Speaker 1: time you can, and I guess that was the one
Speaker 1: time that the Texans were able to do that. I
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know why this turned into bashing
Speaker 1: the Texans in the away from that, because I want
Speaker 1: to get on how the Cowboys are in Unison in
Speaker 1: regards to the message. Uh, sometimes Jerry can go off
Speaker 1: spags a little bit to where, you know, hey, hey Jerry,
Speaker 1: maybe you shouldn't have said that, you know, bulletin board
Speaker 1: material or even sometimes it's just a little bit over
Speaker 1: the top. But right now, what he said, I think
Speaker 1: it was very accurate because the Cowboys got and I
Speaker 1: don't want to call this just a good practice because
Speaker 1: like you said that, there are no cream puffs spags,
Speaker 1: but you do you did have a team that just
Speaker 1: had no idea what was going on and they were
Speaker 1: totally outmatched. Now, as you look at some of the
Speaker 1: games that have gone on this entire year, you cannot
Speaker 1: predict anything. I'm not taking any team or win for granted.
Speaker 1: So when it's all said and done, I got the Jets.
Speaker 1: They came out and they beat a couple of good teams.
Speaker 1: I don't feel like going off all the upsets that
Speaker 1: happened throughout this entire season. I mean, unpredictable, dumbfounded upsets
Speaker 1: such as Cowboys dinfit. We always remember those, But then
Speaker 1: you have Tampaloos to the Saints twice. You know, you
Speaker 1: have some things that went on that lets you know
Speaker 1: you can't take any wins for granted. And the way
Speaker 1: we played the other day, that's how we should have played.
Speaker 1: That's how we should have beat them. So I don't
Speaker 1: look at this as anything as a ladder move. I
Speaker 1: looked at it as an improvement that we needed to
Speaker 1: make because offensively we haven't been consistent. We still haven't
Speaker 1: shown to be consistent. But I'd rather go out the
Speaker 1: way we went the way we did in that game
Speaker 1: than looking at how we went out as the game
Speaker 1: before that. Yeah, and that's a great point because Mickey
Speaker 1: very easily could have turned into the Cowboys matching the
Speaker 1: Eagles energy of saying, you know what, you're not playing
Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts, you're not playing all these starters that were
Speaker 1: on the COVID list. There's they're taking a week off.
Speaker 1: Nick Sirianni even said it they have earned a chance
Speaker 1: to take the week off. And that's not the way
Speaker 1: the Cowboys looked at it. The Cowboys looked at it
Speaker 1: as an opportunity to gather their momentum, to kind of
Speaker 1: get their feet underneath them. After a loss against Arizona
Speaker 1: and Mickey, they went out and executed, checking the boxes
Speaker 1: of health and execution. Along the way to improving their seating.
Speaker 1: They broke a few records, said a couple of personal records.
Speaker 1: I mean, come on, you can't. You can't beat that.
Speaker 1: I mean, that was the game to do it. We
Speaker 1: beat them the way they should have been beaten. And
Speaker 1: to me, you can't. You can't be down on that.
Speaker 1: And let me go further. I saw Church coming in here, Spags,
Speaker 1: and we were talking about how everyone is doubting the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: and I look at it like this. You've got a
Speaker 1: lot of form players, they're a pundits now, and those
Speaker 1: former players, for some reason, all of them think we
Speaker 1: should have drafted them, Spags, all of them that I
Speaker 1: should have played with a Cowboys who I didn't get.
Speaker 1: Drut Cowboys. I'm gonna go work. So they take that
Speaker 1: energy as players onto the booth. Right, So now all
Speaker 1: you get is oh the Cowboys, this Cowboys better look out.
Speaker 1: Nobody says Tampa better lookout. Yeah, you know, they played
Speaker 1: like crap many times this year. Nobody said, hey, Green
Speaker 1: Baby Baby should look out. You know, nobody talks about
Speaker 1: the Rams need to look out. Come on the way
Speaker 1: Matthew Stafford has been so inconsistent. Everyone's given getting the
Speaker 1: benefit of the doubt. But the Cowboys, and I think
Speaker 1: they always look forward to the moment when we crafted
Speaker 1: a bit. Well, and here's the other thing. And you know,
Speaker 1: I was talking with the guys during my segment on
Speaker 1: the fan this morning, and you know, we were talking
Speaker 1: about their physical defensive front. Talked a lot about Deebo
Speaker 1: Samuel and what he brings to the table. And I said, yeah,
Speaker 1: and guess what San Francisco's talking about. They're talking about, Oh,
Speaker 1: can we block Randy Gregory and DeMarcus Lawrence and what
Speaker 1: do we do with Micah Parsons. Yeah, so they got
Speaker 1: things to worry about. Two uh so, And I understand
Speaker 1: how it works because we see other teams and it's like, Okay,
Speaker 1: there's their strong points. Well they see the Cowboys strong
Speaker 1: points too. And the fact that I bet They're not
Speaker 1: just dismissing. Oh it was Washington, Oh it was Philadelphia,
Speaker 1: they put fifty points on them. No, they're looking at
Speaker 1: in two the last three games, this team scored fifty points,
Speaker 1: and that's what they're worried about, along with the other
Speaker 1: things that this team can do. Like the Cowboys three receivers.
Speaker 1: You know, I understand that how good their defensive front
Speaker 1: is and that makes up for maybe what they have
Speaker 1: in the secondary. But Hooper Cup was running through them
Speaker 1: left to night, right, So now are they sitting there going, oh,
Speaker 1: are we worried about those three receivers the Cowboys have
Speaker 1: and that tight end who nearly And I didn't double
Speaker 1: check this what Schultz's final numbers were. I've got him
Speaker 1: right here. He ended up the second leading receivers seventy
Speaker 1: eight yards, I mean, seventy eight catches for eight hundred
Speaker 1: and eight yards and eight touchdowns. Will we worry about Kittle? Right? Yeah,
Speaker 1: well he's got seventy one catches for nine hundred and
Speaker 1: ten yards and six touchdowns. So are they sitting there
Speaker 1: worried about Dalton Schultz? I think they should be right,
Speaker 1: And so it works both ways. And I know this
Speaker 1: always happens in the in the playoffs, you know, and
Speaker 1: a lot of times everybody looks at the other team
Speaker 1: and it's almost like they romanticize about those players and
Speaker 1: they don't realize on the other side, they're thinking about
Speaker 1: what the Cowboys have and how do we stop them.
Speaker 1: Were you talking about Scholtz, I mean, were you not
Speaker 1: talking about a necessarily dynamic type of player, but the
Speaker 1: consistency that he's possessed, as well as his ability to
Speaker 1: get Dak out of trouble. Because when you're playing against
Speaker 1: that two men, which is they're going to start off
Speaker 1: on us, whether two man or some type of man
Speaker 1: to man, then it's always the tight end that has
Speaker 1: the best chances to get open down the middle. That's
Speaker 1: why tight ends were created, because wide receivers can't get open.
Speaker 1: And whenever that happens, that's what Scholtz does. He has
Speaker 1: tried and true with that and he has come through
Speaker 1: for us in moving the chains as well as working
Speaker 1: well in the red zone. So yeah, when he's on
Speaker 1: and when Dak is on with him, when they're connecting,
Speaker 1: I think they're a heck of a duo to deal with.
Speaker 1: And just based off of the numbers that Mickey just
Speaker 1: gave comparing him to George Kittle, who is widely renowned
Speaker 1: as one of the top tight ends in all of football,
Speaker 1: you can see that Schultz has more receptions but less
Speaker 1: yardage because he's not that big play for He's not
Speaker 1: going to have the yacka that's not his game. But
Speaker 1: that's right. You talk about the number of receptions he has,
Speaker 1: the amount of targets he has in the red zone
Speaker 1: eight touchdowns to go along with what he's done this year,
Speaker 1: because not only is he getting open inside ten yards
Speaker 1: toward the first down marker as a safety blanket to
Speaker 1: Dak Prescott, he's finding himself open in the red zone.
Speaker 1: And he's only the second tight end in Cowboys history,
Speaker 1: along with Jason Witten, to hit that eight hundred yard marks. So, Mickey,
Speaker 1: I think you're you're bringing up a fantastic point of
Speaker 1: Now it's a pick your poison sort of mentality for
Speaker 1: San Francisco, where the Cowboys of course have that same
Speaker 1: mindset looking at their opponents. But if you're San Francisco,
Speaker 1: who do you look at first and say that's going
Speaker 1: to be our biggest challenge? Yeah? No, absolutely, And I'm
Speaker 1: gonna just say this off top of my head. I
Speaker 1: hadn't done the research, but I'm guessing the Cowboys haven't
Speaker 1: had many, if any tight ends not named Witten end
Speaker 1: up with. I think it's only him and Schultz, I believe.
Speaker 1: I think it's Witnes Schultz. Yeah. So yeah, so when
Speaker 1: the Cowboys have been the Cowboys have been blessed with
Speaker 1: amazing tight ends since the inception of the Dallas Cares.
Speaker 1: That's saying a lot that that's that's that's that's tall
Speaker 1: what my dad used to say, that's tall cotton. Right there. Boy,
Speaker 1: that's a good one. I don't like what were you
Speaker 1: saying there? You know what? The other thing I just noticed,
Speaker 1: and I haven't looked up their record calling, but the
Speaker 1: referee cruise for this game have been named Cowboys have
Speaker 1: Alex Kemp's crew. Uh in this game. I'm glad we're
Speaker 1: delving into this, especially after last week the last couple
Speaker 1: of weeks past. Go ahead. Yeah, And and actually Jerry
Speaker 1: brought it up. He didn't know the crew, but he
Speaker 1: thought the guys that did the game last week did
Speaker 1: a really good job because they let him play. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because we having maybe ready to go homes bags right,
Speaker 1: they didn't want to call anything right in our day
Speaker 1: this game. But I just noticed Alex Kemp. He's eight
Speaker 1: years uh in the league. Uh and I think he's
Speaker 1: four four time head referee. So he's got the Cowboys game. Uh,
Speaker 1: they've got uh, it's it's a it's it's a somewhat
Speaker 1: young crew. There's only one guy other than Kemp. So
Speaker 1: Kemp's the eight year veteran. Uh. One guy wolf Sped
Speaker 1: Uh I'm um he no, I'm sorry, uh, Jim Mellow
Speaker 1: he's the uh d G what is d G Stanford? Okay,
Speaker 1: thank you wait j Yeah, he's been in the league eighteen.
Speaker 1: Nobody else has been in more than six other than
Speaker 1: the head referee. So it's a relatively young crew right now.
Speaker 1: I could care less about what how young they are.
Speaker 1: I want to know what their propensity is spags. Okay,
Speaker 1: I got you. How about this? They've had one call
Speaker 1: it up, Kyle beat me to the PA. I got you. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So they've had one game with the Dallas Cowboys this year.
Speaker 1: It was the first Washington football team game where they
Speaker 1: were in Washington, and it was the twenty seven yeah,
Speaker 1: twenty seven twenty game, and there was only seven penalties
Speaker 1: for sixty five yards in that game against the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: Seven for sixty for Washington Maryland in Maryland, Yes, in
Speaker 1: that FedEx field. So it's about as even as you
Speaker 1: can potentially get. It's not one of these big games
Speaker 1: like the Raiders or the Chiefs or the game against
Speaker 1: the Cardinals where the Cowboys had their their had their
Speaker 1: reserves about their referee. So right now you feel pretty
Speaker 1: good about the way that this this officiating crew is
Speaker 1: holding things up. I just don't like when when when
Speaker 1: officials become the conversation part of the game, they just
Speaker 1: shouldn't be part of the conversation. And anytime you do
Speaker 1: that as a group, uh that that lead referee or
Speaker 1: whatever you call them spags. He needs to tone that
Speaker 1: down before it gets out of hand, you know, especially
Speaker 1: when you look at what it might be looking like
Speaker 1: at halftime. Uh, you know what, what what are we doing?
Speaker 1: Are we throwing too many Let's take a look at
Speaker 1: and review, guys, because you could see some of these
Speaker 1: things happening and you couldn't stop him. To me, as
Speaker 1: a referee, you're a head referee, then you need to
Speaker 1: you need to handle that and look guys, we can't.
Speaker 1: We are we are becoming part of the script and
Speaker 1: that's not fair to the fans of the players. So
Speaker 1: I noticed all also on the on the crew, and
Speaker 1: I'm surprised this happened. Uh, former Cowboy defensive back Nate
Speaker 1: joneses the field judge. Wow. Wow, I didn't know that.
Speaker 1: I didn't how many former players are referees. Uh spags Ah,
Speaker 1: that's a good question. I never when he did it.
Speaker 1: I remember doing a story on him and he was
Speaker 1: like one of maybe two that were in the league
Speaker 1: that had been former players. Um, they've listened to him
Speaker 1: and this is what he had been doing before. Uh,
Speaker 1: he kind of got into the officiating thing. He's a
Speaker 1: he's a firefighter e MT. And he was doing that
Speaker 1: locally here. Okay, so wait, so he's from Dallas, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he lives there. He's he's from the he went to Rutgers.
Speaker 1: Uh did he played for Cowboys? He played for the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: Did we treat him well? Yeah? Right? Yea. Is it
Speaker 1: a good relationship because that's a big question here. Who
Speaker 1: quit who? He's a really good dude. That's good. Great
Speaker 1: to hear, that's a matter of fact. England he's the one.
Speaker 1: He's the one that knocked knocked right far out of
Speaker 1: that game that year Aaron Rodgers started his career. WHOA, well,
Speaker 1: I guess thanks for that. I don't know, all right.
Speaker 1: One another thing on the referee crew before we take
Speaker 1: our first break home win percentage. That's something that you
Speaker 1: were you were curious about with this crew this season,
Speaker 1: thirty one percent of the time the home team is one,
Speaker 1: which is like twenty points below the season average. The
Speaker 1: season average is fifty one, should be this is thirty one.
Speaker 1: But it's hard because this is an all star crew.
Speaker 1: By that's true, it's different completely. He has there's only
Speaker 1: two guys that are on Kemp's crew on it all year, right,
Speaker 1: and it's the replay official And I don't know what
Speaker 1: the r A is replay assistant. I U, yeah, I
Speaker 1: think it's probably replay assistant. So those are the only
Speaker 1: two guys that were on his crew. The rest are
Speaker 1: from basically all other crew. Well, well, Chris, that that
Speaker 1: means that the bombs that were the one flags on us,
Speaker 1: they didn't make the team. Oh no, yeah, you get
Speaker 1: you get raided. You here two grading and a three
Speaker 1: rating and they grade you so I don't want to
Speaker 1: see the guys from the Raiders game and Cardinals game. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they've thrown or at least his crew has thrown twenty
Speaker 1: five more flags on home teams than road teams in
Speaker 1: over the course of the season. Maybe so, But like
Speaker 1: Chris said, we can kind of throw a little bit
Speaker 1: of that out the window. It's just the head official
Speaker 1: that all these stats are on. So great point from
Speaker 1: Chris Bean. All right, when we come back, let's talk
Speaker 1: about what challenges do the San Francisco forty nine ers
Speaker 1: present and how are the Cowboys looking at things. We'll
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Speaker 1: twenty one Playoffs. Welcome back to mix Shots. Everybody's second
Speaker 1: segment Here from the s WBC Studios. Everson Walls, Mickey Spagnola.
Speaker 1: I'm Kyle Yeoman's Mickey, I'm wearing my white T shirt
Speaker 1: as underneath my navy jacket. I gotta take my jacket off.
Speaker 1: Everson's wearing his white You're on the phone, so you
Speaker 1: can lie to me if you want to. Are you
Speaker 1: wearing your white out today? I am not wearing a
Speaker 1: whitet out, and I'm not kind of a grayish white
Speaker 1: tent with a Cowboys star on it and half committed.
Speaker 1: That sounds like you have committed there. You know. I
Speaker 1: do respect the fact that he didn't lie there because
Speaker 1: he could have. Nobody sees him right now show, so
Speaker 1: he doesn't have to that's true, but hey, he was.
Speaker 1: He was an honest man about it, so I was
Speaker 1: dressed for success until we couldn't get the video. I'm
Speaker 1: sure you look phenomenal me as always, all right, Macky.
Speaker 1: You mentioned it the other way around, how teams are
Speaker 1: looking at the Cowboys and they're saying, oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: there's Michael Parsons, there's DeMarcus Lawrence, there's Randy Gregory, and
Speaker 1: then there's this offense that's put up fifty points in
Speaker 1: two of the last three games. What are the Cowboys
Speaker 1: looking at with San Francisco on the other side of
Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage when they are game planning how
Speaker 1: to slow down this forty nine ers squad, Well, they're
Speaker 1: looking at Deebo Samuel to start with, right, I think
Speaker 1: it starts there. It's probably the second next guy and
Speaker 1: maybe the third next guy. He was phenomenal coming out
Speaker 1: of South Carolina, right. I saw enough of him beating
Speaker 1: up on Missouri for three years or however many years
Speaker 1: he was there. They just couldn't stop him, and I
Speaker 1: wanted the Cowboys to be able to get him. So
Speaker 1: this was before they got Cedee Lamb, and I think
Speaker 1: he went the second round maybe that year, and it
Speaker 1: was like, ah, he's gone, but check this out. So
Speaker 1: he's their second leading rusher fifty nine carries for three
Speaker 1: hundred and sixty five yards and eight touchdowns, and as
Speaker 1: a receiver he leads with seventy seven catches one thousand,
Speaker 1: four hundred and five yards and six more touchdowns. So
Speaker 1: if you add that together his yardage from the line
Speaker 1: of scrimmage one thousand and seven hundred and seventy yards
Speaker 1: and fourteen touchdowns, they better know where he is every
Speaker 1: time they line up defensively because if you go back
Speaker 1: and watch the Rams game, he linds up wide at
Speaker 1: wide receiver, he lines up at in the slot, he
Speaker 1: lines up at running back, and they will hand him
Speaker 1: the ball. They try to do everything they can to
Speaker 1: get the ball in his hands, and once he gets it,
Speaker 1: he is a load. He's a little bit thicker, maybe
Speaker 1: stronger Cede Lamb, but the same type of is a
Speaker 1: way thicker and stronger than Lamb. Yes, but it's the
Speaker 1: same type of it's the same type of guy makes
Speaker 1: great catches and once he gets in the in the
Speaker 1: open field, you're in trouble because he's gonna break your ankle.
Speaker 1: And he's a strong, strong runner. You could tell he's
Speaker 1: got some running back in his background spags. But also
Speaker 1: I think I heard this morning, Uh he's only second
Speaker 1: behind Chase if I'm mistaken. With the Bengals and yards
Speaker 1: per catch, I think he's up in the seventeen point
Speaker 1: something yard average. And so he's gonna beat you short
Speaker 1: and he's gonna have the yak and he can go
Speaker 1: deep on you as well. So yeah, he's somebody that
Speaker 1: if you can just eliminate him, then you're going to
Speaker 1: improve your chances of winning the game exponentially. He's not
Speaker 1: only their most dangerous threat at wide receiver, he's not
Speaker 1: only now their most dangerous thread at running back, but
Speaker 1: he also threw a touchdown pass in the final game
Speaker 1: of the regular season as against the Los Angeles ram
Speaker 1: So he can do a little bit of everything. So, Mick,
Speaker 1: when when you're talking about this guy, you have to
Speaker 1: know where he is at all times. San Francisco Kyle Shanahan,
Speaker 1: they're going to run all this motion. They're gonna run
Speaker 1: all this eyewash up in front, try and confuse the defense,
Speaker 1: and Deebo Samuel for the most part, him and Brandon
Speaker 1: i Yuk another very shifty, speedy wide receiver on the outside. Balls. Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: both of those guys are going to be tough matchups,
Speaker 1: just based off of the speed that they have and
Speaker 1: a lot of times they're already they're already running. They
Speaker 1: already have that momentum because of the motion and what
Speaker 1: they're able to do prior to the snap. And then
Speaker 1: not only that, but they want to run the football right.
Speaker 1: They they look at it that we are going to
Speaker 1: run right at you, and they do it with a
Speaker 1: lot of two tight ends. But you know, the other
Speaker 1: thing they use. How about this, they use a fullback right, wow,
Speaker 1: Yes it is Mick. He had it. And they will
Speaker 1: line him up in a true fullback. They'll line him
Speaker 1: up off the line of scrimmage to either the left
Speaker 1: or the right, behind the kind of offset from the
Speaker 1: offensive tackle. And he's a load and they use him.
Speaker 1: Uh you know, he's caught thirty passes. You know he
Speaker 1: rhymes me. Uh. Ever said you remember Rathman, the fullback
Speaker 1: the Niners. Yes, I do, Yes, I do. That type
Speaker 1: of guy, right, he will. He will go through a
Speaker 1: brick wall for you. But that's when that's when fullbacks
Speaker 1: were the norm in an offense. Yes, he was just another,
Speaker 1: just another fullback out there who was hardheaded and very determined.
Speaker 1: Maybe I should have said Daryl Johnston too. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: guess you could have. That's very true. But but when
Speaker 1: they run the ball and he's a load going into
Speaker 1: the middle. And by the way, I don't mean as
Speaker 1: I think about it, Darille Johnson, I don't think he
Speaker 1: had ten catches his entire career. Oh no, he did.
Speaker 1: Oh he may have had fifteen. Okay, I'm sorry. Now
Speaker 1: you got Kyle looking at this up now, you go ahead,
Speaker 1: masty little book. Nineteen ninety four, Daryl Johnson had forty
Speaker 1: four catches. Wow, Troy must have been on a lot
Speaker 1: of pressure that year. He had fifty ninety three. That's
Speaker 1: when he missed all his blocks and then de Troy
Speaker 1: had no choice but to throw. You want to know
Speaker 1: what's funny about that, though, Mickey, is the fifty catches.
Speaker 1: Out of those fifty catches, there wasn't a single catch
Speaker 1: for a first down. They were all undertake. I told
Speaker 1: you he blew his blocking a sigmon, and Troy's like, hey,
Speaker 1: your man is hanging off of me. Take this thing.
Speaker 1: He had. He averaged seven point four yards of Come on, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's about it. That's funny. Whatever happened to the fullback man,
Speaker 1: I mean bringing back there's probably what two or thrifts
Speaker 1: that college offense. Ye, college happened to the fullbacks and
Speaker 1: they got rid of them, and they basically got rid
Speaker 1: of the tight end. Uh, And all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: it's four and five wide receivers out there. Can't you
Speaker 1: can't get rid of that tight end. Though. That tight
Speaker 1: end is a stubborn creature, and I'm glad of that
Speaker 1: because you right now, the tight ends, to me are
Speaker 1: the most impressive players on most professional football teams. I
Speaker 1: mean they are the studs of the squad. You look
Speaker 1: at Andrews from from the Ravens, I mean that guy
Speaker 1: right there. You look at the guy from the Pittsburgh Steelers,
Speaker 1: and not only do you have one, you've always got backup.
Speaker 1: It looks just like him. So you know that's I
Speaker 1: love it. They've got big studs at tight end, and
Speaker 1: I hope they never go away. Well you know what
Speaker 1: if we and I don't mean to swerve off to
Speaker 1: the side of the road, but the tight ends last
Speaker 1: night in that National Championship game, they had a big
Speaker 1: hand in what went on. Yeah, and I And when
Speaker 1: I was watching that, I was going to ask Everson,
Speaker 1: It's like, so kind of teams normally cover the tight
Speaker 1: end because these days those types of tight ends they
Speaker 1: can't the running backs can't, I mean, the linebackers can't
Speaker 1: run with them. Well, I would call the matchup that
Speaker 1: we always had with tight ends was our strong safeties.
Speaker 1: And now you're talking to Tom lad your defense, Uh
Speaker 1: even you're even doing it with when I went to
Speaker 1: the Giants with Belichick, no your strong safety is gonna
Speaker 1: handle that tight end. But let's just be real. We
Speaker 1: always made the tight end have to work his way
Speaker 1: off the line of scrimmage. Nowadays they just don't do
Speaker 1: that necessarily, you know. I remember Dexter clean Scale, Charlie Waters.
Speaker 1: Uh god, I remember some great strong safeties that we had,
Speaker 1: Myron Guyton, Kenneth Jackson in New York. These guys had
Speaker 1: to match up with not just tight ends. We had
Speaker 1: strong safeties then Dvin Woodson, who could match up with
Speaker 1: wide receivers and running backs as well. So I don't
Speaker 1: know what's going on with the strong safeties these days,
Speaker 1: but that's the way it was back then. Probably no
Speaker 1: one wants to be a strong safety. They don't want
Speaker 1: to have that type of assignment to deal with. And
Speaker 1: that's where a guy, I guess, on the Cowboys side,
Speaker 1: I know what we do want to talk about that
Speaker 1: that National Championship game last night, But on the Cowboys side,
Speaker 1: that's where having a guy like Jaron Curse helps out
Speaker 1: because he's a bigger bodied safety who has the coverage ability,
Speaker 1: has the physicality to be able to cover guys watching
Speaker 1: as well. I'm sorry Wilson as well, Yeah, both of
Speaker 1: those guys very athletic. But when we talk about jay
Speaker 1: Ron Curves, very special. I don't know what Minnesota was
Speaker 1: doing when they got rid of him, but you're looking
Speaker 1: at a guy. I mean that's He's one of the
Speaker 1: best hybrid players that you can kind of put your
Speaker 1: finger on right now. He's like a Tyler Matthew type
Speaker 1: of guy. We don't use him necessarily like they would
Speaker 1: use Matthews, but he has that ability and he has
Speaker 1: made an extreme impact on this team. I would imagine
Speaker 1: he's probably top five in tackles on this team by four.
Speaker 1: Oh no, he's number one. Wow. Yeah, that's pretty impressive.
Speaker 1: By the way, since you guys brought it up, we
Speaker 1: got a kind of an injury COVID update yesterday after
Speaker 1: our show obviously, and uh, you know, like everybody was
Speaker 1: coming back off COVID by Wednesday, and I think Jayron
Speaker 1: Curse might be the last one. I think Jerry and
Speaker 1: Mike said they are hoping to have him back by Thursday.
Speaker 1: Not only was he on COVID, but I think he
Speaker 1: had a growing or a hamstring going on. Yeah hamstring, Yeah,
Speaker 1: And so they're hoping to have him back by Thursday,
Speaker 1: But the other COVID guys, Anthony Brown came off the
Speaker 1: COVID list, so they're they're hopeful that when they hit
Speaker 1: the practice field tomorrow that they'll be nearly at full strength,
Speaker 1: with the exception of Jayron Curve. So your guys are
Speaker 1: exactly right. And you know, and he owes dan Quinn
Speaker 1: whatever he makes next year in free agency, Quinn, dan
Speaker 1: Quinn's working as curses agent. He's got a percentage of
Speaker 1: the cut coming to godfather. He's his godfather. Somebody finally
Speaker 1: figured out how to use them. Right, Yeah, that's right,
Speaker 1: that's exactly right. That's a good transition piece. Let's take
Speaker 1: our second break, because when we come back, let's talk
Speaker 1: about dan Quinn and some of the interview requests that
Speaker 1: have been flying his direction. Is that a big distraction
Speaker 1: to the cowboys or is it really not that big
Speaker 1: a deal at the moment. We'll answer that when we
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Speaker 1: Mick When they announced Walter Peyton Man of the Year.
Speaker 1: They do it that Saturday before the Super Bowl when
Speaker 1: they have the big show. Oh, the big honor show show.
Speaker 1: I was kind of I was at that show, but
Speaker 1: I was kind of listless. I just failed miserably in
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Speaker 1: we're a little pissed up here. We went to the show.
Speaker 1: We all our lips were hanging in our laps. We
Speaker 1: would pissed. Man. So that that list of the running
Speaker 1: backs with tight ends, yeah, I mean touchdowns, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: Where was Dan Reeves? Oh? So we were talking in
Speaker 1: the break and we were talking about most receiving touchdowns
Speaker 1: for a running back and a fullback for those of
Speaker 1: you listening, and we were talking about how actually Daryl
Speaker 1: Johnston and Dan Reeves had the most. Dan Reeves had seventeen,
Speaker 1: Darryl Johnston had fourteen. Who did you ask about? You
Speaker 1: ask about Reeves? Just now? No? Yeah, So so I
Speaker 1: looked because I thought I remembered this after looking at
Speaker 1: his stats after he passed away last week, and in
Speaker 1: his first three years he had fifteen touchdown receptions until
Speaker 1: he tore up his knee. Wow, so that's just in
Speaker 1: three years. Three years. Yeah, Tom Landry always had certain
Speaker 1: players that he wanted to be in certain pos positions.
Speaker 1: He would draw a place for players. I don't know
Speaker 1: if that was an ego thing for him to where
Speaker 1: it's like, well, I'm picking you because I think only
Speaker 1: you can do this when clearly everyone else could have
Speaker 1: done it could have probably done. But but you know,
Speaker 1: player coaches have their favorites, and Tom land You always
Speaker 1: had a certain type of player for a certain type
Speaker 1: of play in a certain situation, and that was pretty
Speaker 1: consistent throughout his entire coaching career. You know what, that
Speaker 1: sounds a lot like what's that Dan Quinn? On the
Speaker 1: defensive side of things with Michael Parsons in company, I
Speaker 1: think That's a great transition because that's what dan Quinn
Speaker 1: has done all year along, right, Nick, Yeah, No, he
Speaker 1: has figured out roles for guys that he could sit
Speaker 1: them into what he's doing. Instead of saying, this is
Speaker 1: what I do, now, let me see who can do that. No,
Speaker 1: he looked and saw what guys could do and said, okay,
Speaker 1: I'm going to do that. And that's what he did
Speaker 1: with jay Ron Curse, That's what he did with Michael Parsons.
Speaker 1: That's what he did with Layton Vanderesh. Yeah, and all
Speaker 1: the players that he brought over from the Falcons as well.
Speaker 1: The seat Yeah. Absolutely. And by the way, speaking of fullbacks,
Speaker 1: when's the last time you saw three hundred and sixty
Speaker 1: pounder line up at fullback like he did last night?
Speaker 1: I'm the goal line other than Connor McGovern, I guess
Speaker 1: Connor's not even three sixty. Then nobody got pushing the
Speaker 1: one guy last night on Georgia. They said he lost
Speaker 1: forty pounds, he was still sixty and he ran a
Speaker 1: four sixty pounds. I'm like, man, I told my son,
Speaker 1: this guy runs faster than I ever ran and he's
Speaker 1: three sixty. That was unbelievable. Talking about the Georgia Bulldogs.
Speaker 1: Number ninety five kind of reminds me of Lakwan McGowan.
Speaker 1: You remember that name at all? Probably not. He was
Speaker 1: the Baylor tight end during like the Art Briles runs
Speaker 1: where he was three eighty and he played tight end
Speaker 1: at three eighty were number eighty and everything. I remember him.
Speaker 1: He had a touchdown to Coton ball Michigan h where now,
Speaker 1: Oh I don't even know. Yeah, no idea, Hopefully it's okay.
Speaker 1: He was a legend and they put two of their
Speaker 1: guys on their goal line offense. What is fullback of?
Speaker 1: What is sight in? And guess where the guy ran
Speaker 1: right between the Yeah, that was a fun game, Church
Speaker 1: coming out on top of LL tell you, I tell
Speaker 1: this bad right? No, I got it right. You guys
Speaker 1: were piggybacking, okay, Alabama? Yeah first, yes, exactly, So all right,
Speaker 1: nicky real quickly give us an update on what you've
Speaker 1: heard abround the offensive and defensive coordinators Dan Quinn Kellen Moore,
Speaker 1: both of which I feel like every time I opened
Speaker 1: up my phone, I get a notification that a team
Speaker 1: is requesting to interview one of those two guys. What
Speaker 1: have you heard the latest well, I think the latest
Speaker 1: was Denver. Right, Miami just got on the phone. Miami
Speaker 1: just did it too for both of them, Right, dan
Speaker 1: Quinn for Miami is all I see. I could see
Speaker 1: dan Quinn a pretty good fit in Denver. I just
Speaker 1: think that. But again, so these guys want to interview him, Right,
Speaker 1: But if I'm dan Quinn and I know what I
Speaker 1: went through as a head coach, I'm gonna be pretty
Speaker 1: picky on the situation I get myself into the second time,
Speaker 1: all right, you know. And I think Mike McCarthy probably
Speaker 1: was the same way. Yeah, you know, I'm I'm gonna
Speaker 1: get into a situation where there's a good general manager,
Speaker 1: the ownership is strong, and it's a it's a good organization.
Speaker 1: I think those are the things that you don't just
Speaker 1: go to go right. You better pick someplace where you
Speaker 1: fit in awfully well. And Kyle we We I talked
Speaker 1: about this. I believe it was last week when we
Speaker 1: talked about Sean Payton when he had an interview with
Speaker 1: the Raiders and he just didn't feel comfortable in two
Speaker 1: thousand and five taking that job. I think he was
Speaker 1: a little iffy on the quarterback situation. And you know,
Speaker 1: you had to be a certain person to go in
Speaker 1: there with Al Davis. Yeah, I was gonna say, yeah,
Speaker 1: when you talk to Al, that's a whole different field. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: And so he feel like you're being threatened doing the interview. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he turned the job down, and everybody's like, oh,
Speaker 1: you can't turn Al Davis down. You're you're committing you know,
Speaker 1: professional suicide. And then the next year he took the
Speaker 1: Saints job. In the rest is history. So I think
Speaker 1: if you're you know, especially if you're getting the second chance,
Speaker 1: you just don't take anything. I think I'd be pretty
Speaker 1: particular and where I went and who I worked with,
Speaker 1: and I would darn sure make sure that either I
Speaker 1: have a quarterback or I've got a high draft choice
Speaker 1: to get one. Now, he was he was in a
Speaker 1: great place with Atlanta, you know, I mean, the ideal
Speaker 1: situation for him, quarterback situation. He had a defense that
Speaker 1: he could walk around, just like he's doing with the
Speaker 1: Cowboys right now. Obviously he went to the Super Bowl away,
Speaker 1: we remember what happened there, But that was a great
Speaker 1: situation for him there. He's obviously he's very cagy about
Speaker 1: the choices that he makes and he won't do anything
Speaker 1: foolish at all. He's too old for that. Number one,
Speaker 1: it's too accomplished. And it also, Yeah, he had a
Speaker 1: great quote yesterday about you know, I like what I'm
Speaker 1: doing here and I'm trying to remember how he put it,
Speaker 1: and he goes, I'm damn sure going to do this
Speaker 1: or that it was. It was. It was pretty good
Speaker 1: response to uh doing interviews, because he sounds like he
Speaker 1: would prefer, you know, if he's gonna do him or
Speaker 1: if he's gonna let it out that he's doing him,
Speaker 1: that he wants to do it at the end of
Speaker 1: the season, not in the middle of his playoff run.
Speaker 1: And maybe Kelly Moore is not in that same scenario.
Speaker 1: Maybe he's not in the same position. Kellen may take
Speaker 1: these interviews here. He already took the Jacksonville interview, and
Speaker 1: because he is the younger guy has not been at
Speaker 1: head coach previously, he needs to get every avenue that
Speaker 1: he could be in order to be that head coach.
Speaker 1: But how much of a distraction is before we wrap
Speaker 1: things up, how much of a distraction could that be?
Speaker 1: Mickey for a locker room like this, because Dan Quinn
Speaker 1: is making a stand saying I don't want to do
Speaker 1: this until after the playoff run is over, whereas Kelln
Speaker 1: Moore has already taken an interview and is probably thinking
Speaker 1: about a couple of these other spots as well. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I think as long as you're doing virtually, uh
Speaker 1: you know, at some point at night, you're done working
Speaker 1: right good point and it's like or you know, the
Speaker 1: night before a game, when everything's settled. I don't think
Speaker 1: that affects these guys. Just schedule it out. It's just
Speaker 1: schedule it out. Yeah, I mean, it's not like you're
Speaker 1: flying somewhere to go beat people. And you also have
Speaker 1: to understand these teams are going to interview ten people
Speaker 1: for the job, right, They're not going to just interview
Speaker 1: one or two and then make a decision. Uh. You know,
Speaker 1: it's like what the Cowboys did with my well no,
Speaker 1: when they hired when they hired, when they hired Wade Phillips.
Speaker 1: They must be interviewed ten different guys. There you go.
Speaker 1: And a lot of that what Jerry was doing was
Speaker 1: picking other people's mind about his situation, his roster. He
Speaker 1: wanted to see what they thought of what he had
Speaker 1: and maybe where they were going right and so, and
Speaker 1: remember this was after Bill Parcels finally got him to
Speaker 1: two consecutive winning seasons for the first time. Well, it
Speaker 1: would have been they had winning seasons in five o
Speaker 1: six they were both nine and seven, right, So you
Speaker 1: would have to go back to ninety five ninety six
Speaker 1: for the last time they had consecutive winning seasons because
Speaker 1: they had a losing season in ninety seven, they had
Speaker 1: a winning season in ninety eight they were five hundred
Speaker 1: and ninety nine, and then the three in a row
Speaker 1: five and eleven seasons, a winning season, a losing season,
Speaker 1: and then those two winning seasons. So yeah, I think
Speaker 1: I'll put that on my mind. Spects tried to block
Speaker 1: that one out, block it away. Well, I'm glad to
Speaker 1: hear that. I'm glad to hear that. You guys don't
Speaker 1: think it's that big of a deal, because a lot
Speaker 1: of Cowboys fans are a little up in arms, and
Speaker 1: I think it's because they're they're safeguarding what they see
Speaker 1: as a great situation with Dan Quinn as the defensive coordinator,
Speaker 1: Kelly Moore as the OC. I think at some point
Speaker 1: you got to look at it and say you're in
Speaker 1: a great spot to be in because they've been so successful.
Speaker 1: Because they're so so I don't finish it out. They're
Speaker 1: gonna finish it out. I think that's either way. Isn't
Speaker 1: worried about it. They're gonna finish the season. Yeah, they're
Speaker 1: not gonna like to like, college's not gonna go away
Speaker 1: because we got not gonna pull a Lincoln Riley before
Speaker 1: the al that's not happening. We're gonna stay intact until
Speaker 1: this thing is done. Yeah, So that's good, you know,
Speaker 1: And I thought Jerry put it a good way. He said,
Speaker 1: he said, you know, when he goes, you know, he said,
Speaker 1: rest assured, he goes when you're sat successful. And he
Speaker 1: was talking about how the NFL is kind of Bill.
Speaker 1: He said, when you're successful, it works to the team
Speaker 1: that aren't successful meeting, they're going to come to the
Speaker 1: team that is successful and try to hire somebody and
Speaker 1: he goes. And then on the other hand, when you're unsuccessful,
Speaker 1: it works that the team's advantage to be able to
Speaker 1: take advantage of the teams that are successful, and y'all,
Speaker 1: and that's kind of how the schedule goes, right, you know,
Speaker 1: that's how it works out. Gotta take advantage whenever you
Speaker 1: have that window of opportunity. But that's it for us
Speaker 1: here on Mick Shots Today. Mickey, are you back tomorrow?
Speaker 1: I maybe back tomorrow and appreciate you. Or I don't
Speaker 1: think I'm back tomorrow. I haven't been told I'm back.
Speaker 1: I believe Bill will be here Tomorrow's But yeah for
Speaker 1: Everson Walls for Mickey's back, Nola for Chris Beam, I'm
Speaker 1: Kyle Yeoman's filling in for Bill Jones. We'll see you
Speaker 1: tomorrow on a new edition of Mick Shots, Gold, Cowboys
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