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Speaker 1: us off very familiar territory. Right now, Vince says, is

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Speaker 1: And you never know who could be getting backed into

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Speaker 2: How bad does it suck? I know, a lot of you.

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Speaker 1: That wasn't in the question. This is if Florida cannot

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Speaker 1: mystery team in twenty twenty, and I listed all the

437
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Speaker 1: reasons that the orange and blue angel on one shoulder

438
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Speaker 1: would tell me that, hey, they're going to shock the

439
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Speaker 1: world this year. And then I listed probably a few

440
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Speaker 1: more reasons that the red devil or Crimson devil or

441
00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:25,880
Speaker 1: a purple and gold devil on the other shoulder told

442
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Speaker 1: me that they were going to bomb terribly this year,

443
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Speaker 1: just crater into the earth. And I said all that

444
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Speaker 1: to say, this is the most unpredictable.

445
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Speaker 2: Team in America this year. And we're going to do

446
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Speaker 2: our Auburn.

447
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Speaker 1: As well as many other teams season grand previews coming

448
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Speaker 1: up in the next few weeks on the twenty four

449
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Speaker 1: to seven Sports YouTube channel, So subscribe there because you

450
00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:48,119
Speaker 1: won't get it anywhere else. We won't have that in

451
00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:50,760
Speaker 1: podcast form, it won't even be on Late Kick Live.

452
00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:53,440
Speaker 1: It'll just appear on the channel there, seemingly out of nowhere.

453
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Speaker 1: And I was doing the entire segment on the basis

454
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Speaker 1: of I've been doing some research on Auburn. I have

455
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Speaker 1: no clue what I'm going to predict here. Luckily, I

456
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Speaker 1: don't have to do the video tonight. I have no

457
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Speaker 1: clue what I'm going to predict. And the reason I'm

458
00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:09,919
Speaker 1: saying that is because au EGO seven one four, I

459
00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:12,320
Speaker 1: have not the slightest clue what to say about them

460
00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:14,879
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty, So I certainly don't know what to

461
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Speaker 1: say about him in twenty twenty one.

462
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Speaker 2: Your guess is as good as mine. Brother.

463
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Speaker 1: Next up is Andrew. Some teams are sitting at around

464
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Speaker 1: twenty two verbal commits right now and the season has

465
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Speaker 1: not even started. Do you think teams will pause taking

466
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Speaker 1: verbal commitments for a bit or could programs like Tennessee

467
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Speaker 1: and Florida go past twenty five? Interesting question, very interesting question.

468
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Speaker 1: So remember at the outset of COVID when Springball got canceled.

469
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Speaker 1: So as a result, staffs like Tennessee and pretty much

470
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Speaker 1: every other staff they just really went into overdrive in recruiting,

471
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Speaker 1: and Tennessee that was a painful hiccup. Tennessee garnered a

472
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Speaker 1: lot of verbal commitments and they racked them up really

473
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Speaker 1: really quick. Alabama is a program that took the opposite approach.

474
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Speaker 1: They were a lot more measured and thorough and not

475
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Speaker 1: to say either is right or wrong, but it was

476
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Speaker 1: just a different approach. Well, now you know Alabama has

477
00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:12,720
Speaker 1: since loaded up there a verbal commit roster too, and

478
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Speaker 1: Tennessee is still sitting as you said in the low twenties.

479
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Speaker 2: I didn't look it up. I should have.

480
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Speaker 1: And so the question Andrew asks is, well, it's only

481
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Speaker 1: early September here, like, are we gonna pump the brakes,

482
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Speaker 1: are we gonna drop some guys or are they just

483
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Speaker 1: gonna fly past twenty five?

484
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Speaker 2: Well they're not flying past twenty five. I can tell

485
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Speaker 2: you that pretty confidently.

486
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Speaker 1: So I think what could happen is you could have

487
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Speaker 1: a lot more churn and by churn I mean a

488
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Speaker 1: lot higher percentage than usual of guys who maybe in

489
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Speaker 1: your class right now who won't be in your class

490
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Speaker 1: come early signing period. If we have one that's still

491
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Speaker 1: undecided to everything's up in the air. It's like there

492
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Speaker 1: is no firm ground under the answer of any question

493
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Speaker 1: out there right now about college football. But I'm not

494
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Speaker 1: speaking about Tennessee here, just generically, Tennessee included. I think

495
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Speaker 1: you'll have a lot higher churn rate on average for

496
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Speaker 1: these big programs because remember a lot of these guys

497
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Speaker 1: were taken as verbal commitments before you had well, you

498
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Speaker 1: didn't have senior film on them obviously, but you hadn't

499
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Speaker 1: gotten some of them in a camp setting. And to

500
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Speaker 1: go a step further, a lot of big time names,

501
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Speaker 1: four and five star names are committed to programs that

502
00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:22,760
Speaker 1: even to this day, they have not set foot on

503
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Speaker 1: campus with. So the initial assumption was we're going to

504
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Speaker 1: have a wave of de commitments. But see, we were

505
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Speaker 1: saying that in April, May, June, under the assumption that eventually,

506
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Speaker 1: you know, COVID restrictions are going to lift and we'll

507
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Speaker 1: have a normal college football season and we'll have just

508
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Speaker 1: a flood of official visits in the fall, and naturally

509
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Speaker 1: guys will see that maybe I'm not a great fit here,

510
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Speaker 1: or maybe I'm committed somewhere, but I like it here

511
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Speaker 1: a lot better.

512
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Speaker 2: About it being bought a boom.

513
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Speaker 1: Well to this point, aside from players taking it upon

514
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Speaker 1: themselves to unofficially visit, places like Oklahoma and Georgia have

515
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Speaker 1: done this recently with groups of players taking it upon

516
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Speaker 1: themselves to organize unofficial visit weekends, aside from those blips

517
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Speaker 1: on the radar screen, you still haven't really gotten an opportunity.

518
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Speaker 1: So in a way, not much has changed from what

519
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Speaker 1: we were talking about two and a half three months ago.

520
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Speaker 1: And I think a lot of coaches sort of planned

521
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Speaker 1: on things being a lot more back to normal in

522
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Speaker 1: the recruiting world at this point than they are. So

523
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Speaker 1: could it be one of those classic conundrums of Oh,

524
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Speaker 1: we're sitting here with twenty two, Oh boy, we got

525
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Speaker 1: six out here. We know we could take a verbal

526
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Speaker 1: from right now. Do we want to do it and

527
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Speaker 1: just make some tough decisions later? Do we want to

528
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Speaker 1: tell a kid in September as his senior year of

529
00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:45,320
Speaker 1: football starts, sorry, you don't have a committable offer, and

530
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Speaker 1: then watch him blow up his senior year and then

531
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Speaker 1: just shove it in our face when he goes to

532
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Speaker 1: play for our rival.

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Speaker 2: Now, they are paid seven.

534
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Speaker 1: Figures a year to figure this out, so we're not

535
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Speaker 1: feeling sorry for them. But even if you're paid a

536
00:25:59,880 --> 00:26:03,720
Speaker 1: trillion dollars a year, a hard decision is a hard decision. So, Andrew,

537
00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:06,119
Speaker 1: I don't know really how that's gonna shake out. And

538
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Speaker 1: this is not really a good sign because I think

539
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Speaker 1: I have arrived at the conclusion of I don't know

540
00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:12,880
Speaker 1: for like three questions in this podcast so far.

541
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Speaker 2: Hopefully you'll keep listening.

542
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Speaker 1: But you know, if I'm being honest with you, that's

543
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Speaker 1: how you have to answer a lot of questions. No,

544
00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:23,399
Speaker 1: lie right now, because I'll tell you this. When we

545
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Speaker 1: ask coaches, they say that, when we ask people inside

546
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Speaker 1: college football, inside programs, and inside the industry, that's the answer.

547
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Speaker 1: You get into a lot of questions recruiting and otherwise

548
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Speaker 1: just I don't know. And they're not trying to blow

549
00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:38,159
Speaker 1: you off. It's just they don't know. We don't know.

550
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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Next up, jahoes fifty six. With a team like FSU

552
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Speaker 1: that figures to be below average offensively and above average

553
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Speaker 1: to potentially really good defensively, how will that impact the

554
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Speaker 1: tempo that Mike Norvel calls plays at. Typically uptempo offenses

555
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Speaker 1: are not conservative while prioritizing field position. That's really good

556
00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:02,440
Speaker 1: question here, and you could apply that to a number

557
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Speaker 1: of different places, to a varying degree. Places where you

558
00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:09,520
Speaker 1: have a new staff, you know, it's beyond just a

559
00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:12,320
Speaker 1: new offensive coordinator at FSU. They got an entire new

560
00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:15,959
Speaker 1: staff at FSU, so you're installing new everything. But there

561
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:18,600
Speaker 1: are a lot of places where they have either new

562
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Speaker 1: staffs or new offensive coordinators.

563
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Speaker 2: Or defensive coordinators.

564
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Speaker 1: But we're talking offense here, and they didn't have spring,

565
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Speaker 1: so you know the deal by now.

566
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Speaker 2: And I was.

567
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Speaker 1: Talking to someone the other day, and usually the approach

568
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Speaker 1: with your freshmen in camp when you first get them

569
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Speaker 1: on campus. A lot of coaches take the approach with

570
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Speaker 1: their freshmen that they just throw everything at them. You know,

571
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:44,919
Speaker 1: there's one approach that says you ease them in, but

572
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Speaker 1: then there's another approach that says, you just throw everything

573
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Speaker 1: at them, and eighty percent of it's going to fall

574
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Speaker 1: to the floor. Okay, twenty percent of it sticks to

575
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:55,680
Speaker 1: the wall, though, So leave what's stuck to the wall

576
00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:58,119
Speaker 1: up there, and then pick up the eighty percent and

577
00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:01,040
Speaker 1: throw it all at them again, and then hopefully twenty

578
00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:04,280
Speaker 1: five more percent sticks. And so you just keep throwing it,

579
00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:06,320
Speaker 1: keep throwing it, keep throwing it till enough of it

580
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:09,560
Speaker 1: sticks that you feel confident putting them on the field.

581
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:11,760
Speaker 1: You're not waiting to see if a guy can do

582
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Speaker 1: it right. Hopefully they rep it so much that they

583
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:17,720
Speaker 1: can't get it wrong. That is normally the standard with

584
00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:19,679
Speaker 1: which you want to wait to put a guy on

585
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:22,080
Speaker 1: the field, probably not going to be able to meet

586
00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:25,760
Speaker 1: that standard to a critical mass this year. So what

587
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:28,280
Speaker 1: do you do if you're Mike Norvel, You've got two options.

588
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:31,360
Speaker 1: You can either run your entire playbook, your entire offense,

589
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:33,800
Speaker 1: and probably look foolish in the process.

590
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:37,040
Speaker 2: Or you can adjust, because you.

591
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Speaker 1: Can either adjust, or you can ask a roster full

592
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Speaker 1: of guys to adjust and listen, you know you're capable

593
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:48,920
Speaker 1: of adjusting. Doesn't matter how nice you ask them. They're

594
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:51,959
Speaker 1: only capable of what they're capable of. So it's not

595
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:55,240
Speaker 1: like they can expand their mind and expand their physical

596
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:59,440
Speaker 1: and mental capability. You, however, can adjust, and I think

597
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:02,880
Speaker 1: you'll pro probably see Mike Norvel running what he calls

598
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:05,920
Speaker 1: a fraction of his offense in the early portion of

599
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:08,600
Speaker 1: the season, and not even just that, I mean, even

600
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:12,600
Speaker 1: if it's executed perfectly. He's not even capable at the

601
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 1: early points of this season of running his entire offense.

602
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:18,400
Speaker 1: But then you start talking about mistakes being made, and

603
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:21,760
Speaker 1: you start talking about all the things that you would

604
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:25,360
Speaker 1: normally be ironing out outside of the public view in

605
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:28,120
Speaker 1: a scrimmage setting, and that stuff's going to be happening

606
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:29,560
Speaker 1: on national TV.

607
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:33,760
Speaker 2: So for those reasons, I really.

608
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:35,840
Speaker 1: Tend to believe that you know the up tempo and

609
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:40,000
Speaker 1: how quickly do you call plays down to down series

610
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:42,560
Speaker 1: to series. I don't know how that's managed, but I

611
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 1: do know philosophically. I think Mike Norvel's probably looking at

612
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:47,840
Speaker 1: things right now and saying, all right, here's how I

613
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:49,560
Speaker 1: want to do it. We'll just save that plan for

614
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:52,280
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one and beyond, because here's how we're going

615
00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:56,320
Speaker 1: to have to do it in twenty twenty. Andrew, next up,

616
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Speaker 1: how bad does losing this twenty twenty season hurt the

617
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:03,240
Speaker 1: in future recruiting? Will a team like Ohio State lose

618
00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:07,160
Speaker 1: a bunch of blue chip recruits? I don't think so, Andrew.

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Speaker 1: Now you brought up Ohio State. No, I don't think

620
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Speaker 1: Ohio State is going to suffer all that much. I

621
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Speaker 1: think that Ohio State is in a different classification. That's

622
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Speaker 1: not what I'm looking at. What I'm looking at is

623
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Speaker 1: how does Michigan handle it? How does Penn State handle it?

624
00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:26,880
Speaker 1: How does Wisconsin handle it? What does a team like

625
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:30,120
Speaker 1: Michigan State or Iowa look like after this is all

626
00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:32,720
Speaker 1: said and done. To me, Ohio State, in a lot

627
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:35,560
Speaker 1: of ways I view as an independent. True, they are

628
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:37,760
Speaker 1: a Big ten member. They wear that sticker on their

629
00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:39,200
Speaker 1: helmet every Saturday.

630
00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:39,920
Speaker 2: I may not be.

631
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:44,120
Speaker 1: Happy about it right now, but they operate almost in

632
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:46,560
Speaker 1: their own orbit, and so I don't think that this

633
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:48,680
Speaker 1: is any kind of fatal blow to Ohio State. And

634
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:50,520
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what else if I were Ryan Day

635
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:53,160
Speaker 1: and that staff, if you've seen them, if you've listened

636
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:56,400
Speaker 1: to them and seen them, they have been very front

637
00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 1: facing about this, and they have been vocally critical of this.

638
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:03,840
Speaker 1: And what they're doing is they are really maintaining their brand.

639
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 1: If you're a seventy two year old Buckeye donor, that

640
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:10,800
Speaker 1: messaging means something totally different than it does to me.

641
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 1: If I'm a seventeen year old five star wide receiver

642
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:17,920
Speaker 1: out of Tampa, Florida, and you're one of my final schools,

643
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:20,400
Speaker 1: because I'm looking at you and I'm saying, Okay, your

644
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:23,400
Speaker 1: conference canceled on you, But I mean you fought tooth

645
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:27,640
Speaker 1: and nail to get that thing played. So that stuff

646
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:31,080
Speaker 1: was out of your control. But that program still kind

647
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:33,840
Speaker 1: of bleeds and oozes the DNA that I want to

648
00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 1: be a part of.

649
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:36,160
Speaker 2: That's what I see with Ohio State.

650
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:39,280
Speaker 1: But see, they also have results to sell and that's

651
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:41,360
Speaker 1: the kicker for a lot of this. Like if I'm

652
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:44,000
Speaker 1: that five star receiver from Tampa, I also want to

653
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:45,920
Speaker 1: be developed and go into the league and play for

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Speaker 1: national championships and all that, And so you can sell

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Speaker 1: me on that too. If you're at Penn State, if

656
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Speaker 1: you're at Michigan, you can sell me on the vision

657
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Speaker 1: of doing that, But you can't quite match what your

658
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Speaker 1: brethren in Columbus Ohio can do. So Andrew, I don't

659
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Speaker 1: think the Ohio State situation is one to watch. Look

660
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Speaker 1: past them, look past them to Michigan, look past them

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Speaker 1: to Penn State, Wisconsin, Iowa, the second tier, if you will,

662
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Speaker 1: of the Big Ten, because there's only one team in

663
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Speaker 1: the first tier up there. How did they handle it?

664
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Speaker 1: Because that is really how the Big Ten and the

665
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Speaker 1: health of the Big Ten will ultimately be determined when

666
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Speaker 1: we come out of this. Quick reminder as we move

667
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Speaker 1: on here, five star reviews, it's all I ask. They're

668
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:28,240
Speaker 1: free and you can only do them in Apple podcasts.

669
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Speaker 1: So if you're listening elsewhere, Tony, worry about it. It's

670
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:32,560
Speaker 1: probably just a waste of your time. You just fast

671
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:34,719
Speaker 1: forward fifteen seconds and be done with it. And then

672
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:37,040
Speaker 1: subscribe to the twenty four to seven Sports YouTube channel

673
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:40,440
Speaker 1: as well. Now, Gus, we're about to ask his question.

674
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Speaker 1: He's got one of those good old fashioned gambling questions,

675
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Speaker 1: and we talk about that a lot during the season.

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Speaker 1: We haven't really in the off season, but I'll hit

677
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Speaker 1: that right after this break. All Right, we're back and

678
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Speaker 1: Gus Golden, frequent contributor to Late Kick Extra, He asks,

679
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Speaker 1: are you going to do your five best plays every

680
00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:01,240
Speaker 1: week this college football season? I always loved that aspect

681
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:05,800
Speaker 1: when you were independent. Yes, I am, Gus. I am

682
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:09,120
Speaker 1: someone who goes about that a little bit differently. And

683
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:11,520
Speaker 1: if you've watched Late Kick when I was Independent, you know,

684
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Speaker 1: and if you don't, you'll find out soon enough. But

685
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:16,600
Speaker 1: we were pretty methodical with the way we do that

686
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:19,840
Speaker 1: what we normally do, and I plan on keeping this

687
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:22,760
Speaker 1: format this year. Is I know a lot of you,

688
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:24,440
Speaker 1: you know, the show is kind of like a buffet.

689
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:26,640
Speaker 1: I try and present the show as a buffet. Some

690
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:28,600
Speaker 1: of you like the Q and A stuff, Some of

691
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 1: you like behind the scenes, some of you like all

692
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:34,320
Speaker 1: access stories, some of you like hardcore game breakdowns, some

693
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Speaker 1: of you like gambling, and most of you probably like

694
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Speaker 1: a little bit of a lot of that, So you know,

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Speaker 1: it's kind of the it's the buffet style of presenting

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Speaker 1: a show. And I know a lot of you care

697
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:48,040
Speaker 1: about the gambling aspect. But what I try and do

698
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Speaker 1: is I try and tailor our gambling content in a

699
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Speaker 1: manner that's entertaining to someone who has never bet a

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Speaker 1: nickel on football, because I know a lot of you

701
00:33:57,040 --> 00:34:00,320
Speaker 1: are out there, a lot of you, and this kind

702
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:02,200
Speaker 1: of shock some people, but a lot of you do

703
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:05,840
Speaker 1: not bet on this, but you're fascinated by the concept

704
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Speaker 1: of odds making and point spreads and over unders and

705
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:12,480
Speaker 1: how those move and how the market affects those changes,

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Speaker 1: and you're.

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Speaker 2: Just kind of fascinated with the science of it.

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Speaker 1: But you're not wagering your money on it because you

709
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Speaker 1: don't want to live off rama noodles. And that is

710
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Speaker 1: fair and that is probably a wise approach to life.

711
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Speaker 1: So that's how we present that. But I give you

712
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:28,000
Speaker 1: five plays per week, and one of them we release

713
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Speaker 1: on Sunday night, And our entire philosophy behind that is,

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Speaker 1: if you know what you're doing, you want to get

715
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Speaker 1: as much of your action down on Sunday night.

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Speaker 2: Sunday afternoon as you can.

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Speaker 1: You don't want to be waiting until Thursday or Friday

718
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:41,040
Speaker 1: when all the value is pounded out of those lines.

719
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Speaker 1: So we give our best bet on Sunday night, which

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Speaker 1: is twenty four hours after the previous week's games have ended.

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Speaker 2: As soon as those numbers are being put on the board, we're.

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Speaker 1: Giving you one on Sunday night, and then we deliver

723
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Speaker 1: the rest on the Tuesday night and Thursday night shows

724
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Speaker 1: on Late Cack Live, which is all the mo reason

725
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:02,840
Speaker 1: to tune into every show that we produce. But yes, Gus,

726
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:06,520
Speaker 1: those will be presented this year. Caleb is up next.

727
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Speaker 1: If a majority of universities shift to remote or virtual learning,

728
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Speaker 1: but they keep players on campus, how can the NCAA

729
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Speaker 1: justify calling them amateur athletes that shouldn't be paid. Well,

730
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Speaker 1: this is a loaded question. So let's take the entire name,

731
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Speaker 1: image and likeness issue off the table, because that's already

732
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:28,879
Speaker 1: been addressed, that's being pushed through so very shortly. Guys

733
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Speaker 1: are going to be able to make money off their name,

734
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Speaker 1: image and likeness. But what Caleb is asking here is essentially,

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Speaker 1: wait a second, if if you're treating them different than

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Speaker 1: normal student athletes, and you're saying that this environment is

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Speaker 1: not safe for what I call civilian students, but it

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Speaker 1: is safe for players, and you're holding them to different

739
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:50,719
Speaker 1: standards and different protocols. How can you reasonably call them

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Speaker 1: student athletes? And it's an understandable It's probably the biggest

741
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Speaker 1: hurdle really, truth be told behind the scenes that a

742
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Speaker 1: lot of administrators have struggled with here. I've not struggled

743
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Speaker 1: with it because I don't think this has been any

744
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:05,440
Speaker 1: breaking news. I mean, I don't think this is anything

745
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:08,520
Speaker 1: that's a revelation to anyone. It's always kind of been,

746
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:11,840
Speaker 1: you know, wink wink, nod, nod. We all get it,

747
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:13,120
Speaker 1: but no one talks about it.

748
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:15,600
Speaker 2: So listen, no one's stupid here.

749
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Speaker 1: Everyone understands that the left tackle at Alabama is treated

750
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Speaker 1: a whole lot different than a polypign major at Alabama

751
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:24,360
Speaker 1: who is five eight, one hundred and thirty five pounds

752
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:27,800
Speaker 1: and lives in Bessemer and otherwise like works at Burger

753
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:31,080
Speaker 1: King Monday through Friday. It's just different. You're treated different.

754
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:33,400
Speaker 1: We all know you're treated different. Even the kid who

755
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:35,880
Speaker 1: works at Burger King knows he's going to be treated different,

756
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:37,960
Speaker 1: and he's okay with it, because he sits in that

757
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 1: stadium cheers the left tackle every Saturday, hopefully, And so

758
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Speaker 1: when I look at it, I remove that from the

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00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 1: table as well, and I say, okay, once we get

760
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Speaker 1: past that, and we all understand that there are several

761
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Speaker 1: instances in the year where kids are on campus when

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Speaker 1: the student body's gone home. Have you ever observed bowl practice, Like,

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00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:00,719
Speaker 1: have you ever observed win or break? When everyone else

764
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:02,520
Speaker 1: goes home and those guys are staying on campus. What

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Speaker 1: do you think they're staying there for. You think they're

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Speaker 1: staying there just cause they don't have any family to

767
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:08,279
Speaker 1: go home to. They're staying there because they're getting ready

768
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 1: for games. They've long since been treated differently than everyone else.

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Speaker 1: So Caleb, I don't look at it that way, but

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Speaker 1: I understand the sentiment. I understand what you're saying. And

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Speaker 1: I don't think that a lot of administrators and you know,

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Speaker 1: people in positions of power in Indianapolis and elsewhere, because

773
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 1: they only have really limited authority at the NCAA when

774
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:29,560
Speaker 1: it comes to the power five level of this whole

775
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:32,840
Speaker 1: ordeal situation, I don't think a lot of them are

776
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Speaker 1: quite as ready to have that conversation as loosely as

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Speaker 1: I just did. So for that reason, Caleb, you submitted

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Speaker 1: the question to the right podcast, because if you submitted

779
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Speaker 1: that question to NCAA headquarters, you can't even imagine how

780
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:48,000
Speaker 1: many pieces of paper they would have cut down a

781
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:51,360
Speaker 1: rainforest in their response to you, all kinds of legal

782
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:54,120
Speaker 1: words that you and I could never understand or decipher.

783
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:54,960
Speaker 2: It'd be a mess.

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Speaker 1: Next up is CC nineteen ninety nine. I knew when

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Speaker 1: I put this one in here this is going to

786
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 1: sound like a plant question. A plant question is one

787
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:07,680
Speaker 1: that basically you submit yourself, and I do not engage

788
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:10,080
Speaker 1: in that practice, but this is going to sound like

789
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Speaker 1: I do. CC nineteen ninety nine asks, if we get

790
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:16,239
Speaker 1: you to one thousand five star reviews, can you just

791
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:18,879
Speaker 1: do a true twenty four to seven format because five

792
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:22,600
Speaker 1: hours per week still isn't really enough. And now you

793
00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:24,880
Speaker 1: see why I think that you think that that's a

794
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:26,960
Speaker 1: plant question, but I promise you it's not. You can

795
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:29,080
Speaker 1: see that, and I think that came from the podcast

796
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 1: review section. Here's what I'll say about one thousand and

797
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:34,919
Speaker 1: five star reviews. We want them, we want them bad,

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00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:38,440
Speaker 1: we want a thousand bad. You remember when coach Yos's

799
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:42,160
Speaker 1: daughter and remember the Titans, when he makes the move

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00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:44,799
Speaker 1: that's right from a moral standpoint, but it cost him

801
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:47,120
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame. And she sits there and she says,

802
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:49,520
Speaker 1: I ain't gonna lie. I wanted the Hall of Fame

803
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 1: real bad. Well that's how we feel about one thousand

804
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 1: and five star reviews. We want them real bad, So

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00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:56,640
Speaker 1: get us there. Now here's what I can't do. I

806
00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:58,399
Speaker 1: cannot promise you any kind of twenty four to seven

807
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:00,720
Speaker 1: format because I do have to eat and leave and whatnot.

808
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:04,359
Speaker 1: But I'm sure we can come up with something, and

809
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:07,120
Speaker 1: to be honest, whereas I had a plan for when

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00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 1: we got to five hundred five star reviews, I may

811
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Speaker 1: just leave it up to you. I may just take

812
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:14,719
Speaker 1: submissions from you about which kind of ideas you want,

813
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:17,600
Speaker 1: so you can choose your own prize, and then I'll

814
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:21,480
Speaker 1: choose the best idea, the most reasonable idea. Can't take

815
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:23,399
Speaker 1: you on tours of the studio right now because we're

816
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:27,000
Speaker 1: locked down. Colin and I are the only adult males

817
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:29,359
Speaker 1: or females allowed in that building right now. But we'll

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00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:30,920
Speaker 1: come up with something, and I may just let you

819
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:33,320
Speaker 1: come up with it. But get us there first. I

820
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:35,960
Speaker 1: think we're close to six hundred right now, So get

821
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:38,640
Speaker 1: us there and then we'll figure that out, all right.

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Speaker 1: Next up, this is a pretty good one here. Can

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Speaker 1: you explain home field advantage and what all goes into it?

824
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Speaker 1: I remember the Notre Dame at Georgia game from last year,

825
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Speaker 1: and it was obvious the crowd affected Notre Dame. But

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Speaker 1: how does that noise not also hurt the home team?

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Speaker 2: This is a good question.

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Speaker 1: I think a lot of you who are experienced football

829
00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:57,960
Speaker 1: fans probably listen to this and you think the answer

830
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:00,719
Speaker 1: is common sense. I think that it's a little more

831
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 1: in depth than that. Now, obviously, the biggest factor during

832
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Speaker 1: a game when you go on the road is that

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00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:09,799
Speaker 1: the coordination of the home fans is such that they

834
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Speaker 1: make a whole lot of noise when you're on offense,

835
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Speaker 1: and when you're on offense, you're trying to communicate and

836
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:17,480
Speaker 1: you're trying to audible, and the more noise there is,

837
00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:20,400
Speaker 1: the harder that is. And that's why you see a

838
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:22,840
Speaker 1: lot of those hand signals and people go what they

839
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:25,680
Speaker 1: call silent count. It's a lot of times when you

840
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:29,359
Speaker 1: will see a quarterback clap his hands instead of saying, huh,

841
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:31,920
Speaker 1: what's because their center wouldn't be able to hear that,

842
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:34,759
Speaker 1: And so you can hear the clap of hands, and

843
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:36,759
Speaker 1: most of you know that, some of you may not,

844
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:39,120
Speaker 1: So I just go through it because I know someone

845
00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:41,839
Speaker 1: out there is probably a first year college football fan

846
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:42,520
Speaker 1: listening to this.

847
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:44,560
Speaker 2: And so the basic premise there.

848
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Speaker 1: Is you go on the road, you know that the

849
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Speaker 1: road team is going to have to go silent. Offense

850
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:53,359
Speaker 1: is going to be impeded by crowd noise. Now what

851
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:57,680
Speaker 1: Brian was asking here is okay, but I mean that

852
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:00,600
Speaker 1: noise is happening. The home team's defense is on the

853
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:04,200
Speaker 1: field too, right, Yes they are, but they're in their

854
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:05,560
Speaker 1: set like they know what they're doing.

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Speaker 2: And it's all hand signals.

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00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:09,879
Speaker 1: It's all hand signals defensively, and you got usually your

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00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:13,839
Speaker 1: middle linebacker, your guy calling plays there, and it can

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00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:16,560
Speaker 1: all be delivered via hand signal. What used to take

859
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:19,520
Speaker 1: thirty seconds to deliver a play call in it's not

860
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:22,400
Speaker 1: a couple of hand signals. It's really crazy how they've

861
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:27,280
Speaker 1: shaved that down by necessity, and so typically don't see

862
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:30,520
Speaker 1: you don't see the defensive players being rattled by their

863
00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:34,040
Speaker 1: own home crowd. But that's just crowd noised. Okay, that's

864
00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:36,960
Speaker 1: not all home field advantage is to me. I've talked

865
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:38,600
Speaker 1: about this before, but it's been a little while. We

866
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 1: got a new batch of listeners. One of my favorite

867
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Speaker 1: aspects of college football is home field advantage. Now, obviously,

868
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Speaker 1: the atmospheres are just incredible, and if you're blessed enough

869
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:51,520
Speaker 1: and fortunate enough to grow up where I grew up,

870
00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 1: a lot of you grew up in the South or

871
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:56,680
Speaker 1: the Big Ten, it fits this description too. You just

872
00:41:56,760 --> 00:41:59,400
Speaker 1: walk into these places and they're cathedrals. Some of these

873
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 1: stadiums started being built in the early nineteen hundreds, and

874
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:05,919
Speaker 1: you've had several subsequent expansions and they've just become these

875
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:11,280
Speaker 1: huge colosseum type buildings, in some cases seating ninety one hundred,

876
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:14,120
Speaker 1: one hundred and five thousand people, and all of them

877
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:16,520
Speaker 1: are passionate, and all of them are at full throat.

878
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:17,520
Speaker 2: And you see that.

879
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:19,080
Speaker 1: You see it on TV, you see it when you're

880
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:20,799
Speaker 1: sitting out there in the stands if you go to

881
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:23,920
Speaker 1: a game. But sometimes you don't get to see the

882
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:27,080
Speaker 1: conditions around a locker room. You don't get to see

883
00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:30,400
Speaker 1: the conditions in a locker room, maybe even tunnels that

884
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:33,359
Speaker 1: go to a field. And so just briefly to walk

885
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:36,400
Speaker 1: you through some of this, everything is done with purpose.

886
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:40,759
Speaker 1: And when you renovate stadiums at the college level, home

887
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:43,480
Speaker 1: team gets all the greatest amenities and they barely touch

888
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:44,080
Speaker 1: the road.

889
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 2: Locker rooms. Some of these locker rooms, aside.

890
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:50,120
Speaker 1: From maybe you know, a layer or two of enamel

891
00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:52,480
Speaker 1: pain every now and then, they haven't been touched. It

892
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:54,600
Speaker 1: could still have us best us in the ceilings of

893
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:55,800
Speaker 1: some of these locker rooms.

894
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:56,760
Speaker 2: And it's great.

895
00:42:56,960 --> 00:43:00,479
Speaker 1: Oh, it's wonderful because it's true home field advantage. Here's

896
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 1: what's cool though. These major programs, the Alabamas of the world, Texas,

897
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:09,960
Speaker 1: Ohio State, Clemson, when they travel, it's massive, not just

898
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:14,400
Speaker 1: their roster, all the support staff, all the medical staff,

899
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:18,799
Speaker 1: the training staff, the nutrition staff, everybody that rolls with

900
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:23,720
Speaker 1: these traveling parties. You have family of coaches and whatnot.

901
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:27,320
Speaker 1: It's so many people they can't fit them in the

902
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:30,880
Speaker 1: locker room. And so sometimes what I'll do just to

903
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:33,799
Speaker 1: watch it happen because it's a fascinating process. I'll go

904
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:35,880
Speaker 1: up a tunnel when I know there's about two minutes

905
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:38,279
Speaker 1: to halftime, I'll go up the road tunnel, and I'll

906
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:41,839
Speaker 1: sit outside a road team's locker room and you'll have

907
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:45,880
Speaker 1: circles of folding chairs, like metal chairs, you know, like

908
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:47,680
Speaker 1: you used to use to hit your opponent over the

909
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:50,560
Speaker 1: head with before they bandit in pro wrestling. They'll just

910
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:53,839
Speaker 1: be seated out all in the concourse and you're under

911
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:59,360
Speaker 1: this like dank, kind of moist, dark bowel of a stadium.

912
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:01,239
Speaker 2: It's because they can't fit all the.

913
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:03,960
Speaker 1: Position groups in the locker rooms, and so there's this

914
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:07,319
Speaker 1: entire structure of halftime.

915
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:09,080
Speaker 2: Half of it happens in a locker room.

916
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:11,000
Speaker 1: Some of it spilled out of the locker room, and

917
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:13,160
Speaker 1: guys are just all over the place. You're trying to

918
00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:16,400
Speaker 1: eat those peanut butter and jelly crustable things. They a

919
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:18,359
Speaker 1: lot of them love to eat those at halftime, and

920
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:22,600
Speaker 1: gatorade all over the place. And so you have training

921
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:24,640
Speaker 1: going on, you have retaping going on.

922
00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:27,319
Speaker 2: Meanwhile, in the home locker room.

923
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 1: Everyone's got a nice cushioned climate control chair. Everyone's got

924
00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:34,960
Speaker 1: their own locker.

925
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:35,920
Speaker 2: It's great.

926
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:39,280
Speaker 1: It wouldn't surprise me if they're serving prime rib at halftime.

927
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:42,040
Speaker 1: But that is a big difference that not a lot

928
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:44,840
Speaker 1: of people get to see. Now you've planned for it, obviously,

929
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:47,279
Speaker 1: Like if you're Georgia and you're going into Auburn, you've

930
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:49,600
Speaker 1: been there several times. You're planning for it. But it

931
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:52,840
Speaker 1: doesn't make it easy. And also, i'll tell you another

932
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:54,920
Speaker 1: thing about some of these places. If you'll look at

933
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:58,920
Speaker 1: the corridors and the tightness of the corridor, everything's designed

934
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:02,040
Speaker 1: with a purpose. You'll notice conveniently a lot of times

935
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:05,640
Speaker 1: the corridor the tunnel, in other words, to the road

936
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:09,680
Speaker 1: team's locker room, it is built so narrow that you

937
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:12,040
Speaker 1: can only fit one person through there at a time. Now,

938
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:14,279
Speaker 1: think out loud, what does that do? What it does

939
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:16,480
Speaker 1: when you've got to get one hundred people up that tunnel?

940
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:19,239
Speaker 1: Is it shaves off just a little bit on the

941
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:22,719
Speaker 1: front end and the back end of your halftime. What

942
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:24,880
Speaker 1: if you buy yourself if you're the home team, what

943
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:28,520
Speaker 1: if you buy yourself an extra minute forty five seconds,

944
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:31,400
Speaker 1: two minutes twenty five seconds that you get at halftime

945
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:34,240
Speaker 1: that they don't get. Who's to say how that affects

946
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:37,920
Speaker 1: a one possession game. But home field advantage is a huge,

947
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:41,879
Speaker 1: huge thing in college football, huge thing. Love it, love

948
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:43,719
Speaker 1: to observe it, and I show it to you guys

949
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:46,719
Speaker 1: as often as I can. All Right, we got one

950
00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:48,879
Speaker 1: more here, and then again, we've got another one coming

951
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:51,920
Speaker 1: up in about forty eight hours, so fear not. I mean,

952
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:54,719
Speaker 1: we're ending it maybe ten or fifteen minutes earlier than

953
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:59,040
Speaker 1: we normally would, but we'll be back very soon. Pierce

954
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:01,759
Speaker 1: and Kyle, actually, let's get two more because Pierce and Kyle,

955
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:04,359
Speaker 1: you guys asked questions that were kind of similar. It

956
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:07,080
Speaker 1: was about the extra year of eligibility, and I want

957
00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:10,480
Speaker 1: to table that because I think the answer would probably

958
00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:12,040
Speaker 1: go a lot longer than I wanted it to go

959
00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:14,480
Speaker 1: on this podcast, and it'd go many different directions. So

960
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:17,000
Speaker 1: let's table that. I saw them, I saw the questions.

961
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:18,480
Speaker 1: Let's table that, and we'll.

962
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:18,880
Speaker 2: Get back to that.

963
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:23,480
Speaker 1: Jake asks, do recruiting services put too much emphasis on

964
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:27,399
Speaker 1: camp performance. There's only one recruiting service I look at.

965
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:29,680
Speaker 1: There's only one worth looking at in my mind, and

966
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:31,239
Speaker 1: it's the one that I work for, twenty four to

967
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:34,360
Speaker 1: seven sports. I know that some people on our recruiting

968
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:36,480
Speaker 1: staff probably wouldn't go as far as to say that publicly,

969
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:37,120
Speaker 1: but I will.

970
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:39,360
Speaker 2: So it's just thorough.

971
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:44,239
Speaker 1: There's just an unmatched network in the industry, scouting unmatched,

972
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:46,240
Speaker 1: and so I see what goes on behind the scenes,

973
00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:49,080
Speaker 1: so I can confidently say it's the best by ten

974
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:52,919
Speaker 1: miles in the industry. Now, as for camp performances, Jake,

975
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:56,640
Speaker 1: I think it's a case by case basis sometimes, and

976
00:46:56,680 --> 00:47:00,239
Speaker 1: I think the guys who work here are guys who

977
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:02,000
Speaker 1: have been in this long enough to see through this.

978
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:06,040
Speaker 1: Sometimes what you'll have is you'll have a guy who

979
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:09,960
Speaker 1: is a camp star and a guy that in shorts

980
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:14,080
Speaker 1: and t shirt just wows you and the vertical jump,

981
00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:16,920
Speaker 1: you go through all the combine workouts, and he's just.

982
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:19,040
Speaker 2: A freak, a camp setting freak.

983
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:22,520
Speaker 1: But then you pop on his tape and you're looking

984
00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:25,920
Speaker 1: for him, and shouldn't he be popping off the screen?

985
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:27,879
Speaker 2: Where's he at? Was he hurt? Is he in the game? Yeah?

986
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:28,560
Speaker 2: He's right there.

987
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:31,080
Speaker 1: Wow, Yeah, he must have been hurt this game. And

988
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:32,560
Speaker 1: you find out, no, he wasn't hurt. He's just not

989
00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:35,360
Speaker 1: a football player. He's a camp guy. He's not a

990
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:37,799
Speaker 1: football player. And so you got to be careful with that.

991
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:40,759
Speaker 1: And there's a lot of a lot of folks who

992
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:42,880
Speaker 1: are cognizant of that. I'll say, because I listened to

993
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:44,440
Speaker 1: the conversations here at twenty four to seven.

994
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:47,400
Speaker 2: They talk about it constantly. But I will also say this,

995
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:48,680
Speaker 2: camps are important.

996
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:52,200
Speaker 1: They're very important because think about it from the other aspect, Jake.

997
00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:54,440
Speaker 1: If you popped on a tape and you had a

998
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:56,200
Speaker 1: guy playing, let's say, one.

999
00:47:56,120 --> 00:47:58,200
Speaker 2: A ball down in Georgia, that's where I'm from.

1000
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:00,480
Speaker 1: You got a guy down there and Brock Vandergriffer right now,

1001
00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:03,799
Speaker 1: who's playing lower caliber high school football, but yet he's

1002
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:08,480
Speaker 1: an extremely highly rated quarterback. Well, that probably didn't come

1003
00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:11,759
Speaker 1: off film alone, because you can only tell so much

1004
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:15,560
Speaker 1: about a guy who's playing against vastly inferior competition. But

1005
00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:19,320
Speaker 1: when you get them in an elite eleven setting, for example,

1006
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:22,440
Speaker 1: and you got them right there in front of you,

1007
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:25,200
Speaker 1: your eyeballs are on them and the other best quarterbacks

1008
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:28,239
Speaker 1: in America, and they're comparing very favorably. You're watching the

1009
00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:30,440
Speaker 1: ball come out of their hand. You're checking off their

1010
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:33,120
Speaker 1: height and their weight. You can check off all the measurables,

1011
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:34,840
Speaker 1: but you can see how they carry themselves.

1012
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:35,879
Speaker 2: You can talk to them.

1013
00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:37,920
Speaker 1: Do they look you in the eye, How firm is

1014
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:41,399
Speaker 1: the handshake, how big is the hand size? For that matter,

1015
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:43,920
Speaker 1: while you're doing the handshake, how do they carry themselves?

1016
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:46,600
Speaker 2: Are they intimidated? Are they walking broad chested?

1017
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:49,680
Speaker 1: Do they look right at home competing against the best

1018
00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:51,840
Speaker 1: in America. That's the kind of stuff that does not

1019
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:54,880
Speaker 1: pop off a tape in one a football that you

1020
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:58,480
Speaker 1: may pop in. So in that setting, camp is very important.

1021
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:02,439
Speaker 1: My answer here is it has its pluses, it has

1022
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:05,560
Speaker 1: its advantages, but at the end of the day, there

1023
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:08,840
Speaker 1: still will never be a substitute for watching a football

1024
00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:12,040
Speaker 1: player play a football game. And if you're not skilled

1025
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:14,920
Speaker 1: enough to be able to tell how good that football

1026
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:17,799
Speaker 1: player is, or pretty close to being able to tell

1027
00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:20,440
Speaker 1: how good that football player is when you're watching him

1028
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:23,080
Speaker 1: play a football game, you may just need to find

1029
00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:26,400
Speaker 1: another line of work. That's why, again I count myself

1030
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:28,440
Speaker 1: very fortunate that I get to work at a place

1031
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:30,799
Speaker 1: where you got the best in the industry, and they

1032
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:32,919
Speaker 1: do it every week. They hammer on it every week.

1033
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:36,399
Speaker 1: I mean, I was listening to our rankings council fight

1034
00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:39,640
Speaker 1: the other day about a ranking for a guy in

1035
00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:42,480
Speaker 1: the class of twenty twenty three. Think about that for

1036
00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:45,000
Speaker 1: a second. So if it's that thorough already for the

1037
00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:47,640
Speaker 1: class of twenty twenty three. How much more thorough must

1038
00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:50,560
Speaker 1: it be for this cycle and the next cycle, because

1039
00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:52,040
Speaker 1: twenty twenty three is still.

1040
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:52,839
Speaker 2: A good ways down the road.

1041
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:55,760
Speaker 1: Big ten may be playing football by twenty twenty three.

1042
00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:57,840
Speaker 2: That's that's crazy to think about.

1043
00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:02,000
Speaker 1: All right again, remember we are bringing you another episode

1044
00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:04,040
Speaker 1: of Late Kick Extra on Thursday.

1045
00:50:04,080 --> 00:50:05,480
Speaker 2: It'll be released Thursday morning.

1046
00:50:05,560 --> 00:50:08,120
Speaker 1: Jordan new to the podcast team here at least with

1047
00:50:08,239 --> 00:50:10,680
Speaker 1: Late Kick doing a great job banging these things out,

1048
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:14,200
Speaker 1: and so give him a round of applause and also

1049
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:17,000
Speaker 1: tune back in subscribe. I would assume you have already

1050
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:19,200
Speaker 1: if you're listening, but also subscribe to the twenty four

1051
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:21,840
Speaker 1: to seven Sports YouTube channel and give me a follow

1052
00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:25,680
Speaker 1: on Twitter too. At Late Kick Josh on Twitter, a

1053
00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:28,120
Speaker 1: lot goes down that we don't always have time to

1054
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:30,000
Speaker 1: talk about. And if it's eleven thirty five in the

1055
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:32,160
Speaker 1: morning on a Friday, probably not going to go live

1056
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Speaker 1: emergency style on the YouTube channel. So that's where you'll

1057
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:38,520
Speaker 1: want to be until next time. Again for Jordan, I'm

1058
00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:41,759
Speaker 1: Josh Fate. This has been the Late Kick Extra podcast.

1059
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Speaker 1: Take care, God bless