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Speaker 1: Sapping. Everybody. Welcome too.

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Speaker 2: On Wednesday edition of Texans All Access from Monday Texans

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Speaker 2: Radio Studio. I'm your host, John Harris, football analyst, sideline reporter,

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Speaker 2: and we will get right into it. On Thanksgiving Eve,

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Speaker 2: general manager Nick Cassio stepped into studio with Mark and

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Speaker 2: I let's kick it off right here. General manager of

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Speaker 2: your Houston Texans, Nick Asario joining us in studio.

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Speaker 3: It's executive vice president and general manager Nick Assario.

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Speaker 1: Nick, great to see you. How's it going, fellas morning?

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Speaker 3: My, good morning, Hello, and we're in the midst of

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Speaker 3: another big Division week, facing the Jaguars Sunday on the road,

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Speaker 3: first time on the road in the division since opening day.

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Speaker 3: Let's talk about the situation here, coming off the lost

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Speaker 3: of Tennessee.

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Speaker 1: That kind of heightens the thing a little bit.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Division games are always of the utmost importance, so

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Speaker 4: regardless of the result on this past Sunday, so all

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Speaker 4: we can do is prepare for what's in front of us,

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Speaker 4: which is Jacksonville's hard to believe we am playing the

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Speaker 4: road since the opener with Indy, but played a good,

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Speaker 4: you know, pretty good game they or the first time

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Speaker 4: against Jacksonville kind of came down to the war, are

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Speaker 4: we able to execute the end of the game. So

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Speaker 4: that was one of the games we were able to execute.

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Speaker 4: You know, made some winning plays there at the end.

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Speaker 4: So they're a good football team. We'll talk about them

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Speaker 4: here in a minute. So you know, whatever happened is

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Speaker 4: past Sunday. In the end, we didn't do enough to

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Speaker 4: win the game against Tennessee. Give them credit. Now we've

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Speaker 4: got to get ready for the next opportunity division, which

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Speaker 4: is the Jaguars.

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Speaker 5: Nick.

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Speaker 2: I always love when you have hard decisions to make,

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Speaker 2: such as a guy like Tommy Togii, he's been on

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Speaker 2: a practice squad, gets his opportunity because some guys are

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Speaker 2: banged up and he's doing the most with that opportunity.

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Speaker 1: I don't want you to get into.

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Speaker 2: How tough the decision is, but with the fact that

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Speaker 2: he's playing that, well, how tough does the decision become

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Speaker 2: When you have a guy playing like that, you really

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Speaker 2: don't want to take him out of the lineup, even

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Speaker 2: though he's a practice squad guy.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it's a good thing about our program.

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Speaker 4: So regardless of where you come from or how you

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Speaker 4: get here, when you get here, if you go in there,

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Speaker 4: take advantage of your opportunity. You potentially have a chance

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Speaker 4: to earn more playing time. So we're kind of forced

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Speaker 4: into a situation where with fully being out, we need

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Speaker 4: some reinforcement on the defensive line. I've been shuffling some

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Speaker 4: guys back and forth. I had to deal with Mario

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Speaker 4: situation kind on and off. But Tommy's going in there

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Speaker 4: and given us some good place. He showed up again

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Speaker 4: there the other day in the game on Sundays. So

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Speaker 4: experienced player has been in the league. I mean he

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Speaker 4: was a fourth round pick or whatever he was by

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Speaker 4: the Browns are going back, So it's kind of bounced

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Speaker 4: around roster practice squad and was on our practice squad

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Speaker 4: here for a little bit, still is on our practice squad.

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Speaker 4: So we'll look at where we are rosterwise going into

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Speaker 4: the week and figure out what makes the most sense

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Speaker 4: relative to you know, who gives us the best chance

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Speaker 4: to win on Sunday.

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Speaker 3: At the end of the day against Tennessee, you look

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Speaker 3: at it, it's a loss, but you look at so

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Speaker 3: many big plays that were made throughout the course of

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Speaker 3: the game, a lot of things that you can build

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Speaker 3: on moving forward.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that game is really emblematic of our season. So

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Speaker 4: for their number of positives that took place in the game,

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Speaker 4: but they're offset by the negatives. So we just have

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Speaker 4: going into the game, you know, John and I we

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Speaker 4: that was good. In other senses it kind of was

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Speaker 4: a negative. It say, the explosive plays on both sides

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Speaker 4: have explosive plays, regardless of the side of the ball

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Speaker 4: that you're on, it's likely going to increase the chances

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Speaker 4: you know, we'll talk about here. So there's a number

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Speaker 4: of positives, but it's kind of two steps forward, three

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Speaker 4: just have to figure out a way to eliminate those

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Speaker 2: Something Mark and I had talked about a while for

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Speaker 2: a long time, but something that you brought up to

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Speaker 2: the day and it really just resonates in my head, Nick,

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Speaker 2: and that's first down production. You keep talking about first

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Speaker 2: down production, first down production on both sides of the ball.

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Speaker 1: How do you think that's gone both sides offense?

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Speaker 2: Defensively, staying basically ahead of the sticks with good first

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Speaker 2: down products, whether it's two, three, four yards, getting the

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Speaker 2: second and six can be a good thing. How do

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Speaker 2: you think that first down production has been on both

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's always a point emphasis and at times it

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Speaker 4: good enough. So off offensively, you know when you have

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Speaker 4: zero or negative yardage plays and you're in second and

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Speaker 4: track there to put yourself and you know, I think

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Speaker 4: we've had amongst the most third and longs in the league.

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Speaker 6: However you categorize that.

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Speaker 4: And then defensively, there's a couple examples there, and again

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Speaker 4: the first play of the game, you know, it's a

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Speaker 4: situation where they run a keeper. You know, we kind

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Speaker 4: were able to create a shong play and then to

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Speaker 4: play the chig. The winning touchdown was a first down play.

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Speaker 4: It was the start of the drive. So those are

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Speaker 4: always key plays. You want to try to get off

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Speaker 4: it's always a point of emphasis. And when you go

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Speaker 4: through the league, it's funny, I was looking at that

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Speaker 4: the other day.

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Speaker 6: Here.

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Speaker 4: You know, the teams at they're top of the league

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Speaker 4: in first down production, are some of the better teams.

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Speaker 4: We're kind of in the middle to the bottom. So

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Speaker 4: it's about making incremental improvements in some areas. So I

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Speaker 4: think first down production is going to enhance your overall

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Speaker 4: all tied together in the end.

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Speaker 3: Nick, why is it so hard? Just tell the audience.

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Speaker 3: Why is it so hard on special teams? Because I

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Speaker 3: watch tons of football, we all do, and every time

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Speaker 1: No flags because you.

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Speaker 3: Get this illegal block and the back kind of thing

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Speaker 1: Why is that difficult?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, typically you're seen on the perimeter with the gunners,

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Speaker 4: So if they defeat the vice or the block, you know,

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Speaker 4: gott to split them or go inside. And if you

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Speaker 4: just playing with the proper technique. So a lot of

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Speaker 4: plays go back to basic fundamentals hand placement, foot placement technique,

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Speaker 4: trust your technique and if you're out there, specifically on

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Speaker 4: then it's going to lead to potentially a negative play.

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Speaker 2: Speaking of kickoff returns, Damian Pierce has given us kickoff

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Speaker 2: it on the broadcast that he might be the perfect

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Speaker 2: that if you don't get a good shot on him,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he's really done a great job with this opportunity.

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Speaker 4: You can go back to last year, like alluded to,

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Speaker 4: you had a kickoff return against Cleveland. So if a

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Speaker 4: But dp's done a really good job and it really

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Speaker 4: you have to have a sensor of feel for space.

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Speaker 4: And then the play that he made the other day

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Speaker 4: to kind of bounce it outside and then Hutch and

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Speaker 4: Boyd were actually able to finish their block. So, but

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Speaker 4: we've gotten some explosive plays on kickoff returns, no question,

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Speaker 4: and dp's done a good job with those opportunities.

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Speaker 3: We know you want to move the ball better in

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Speaker 3: the second half. That's clear in CJ Stroud after the

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Speaker 3: game taking a lot of things upon himself, taking blame

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Speaker 3: for stuff.

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Speaker 1: What do you make of that?

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Speaker 3: And the unit as a whole is they try to

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Speaker 4: Yeah, players and coaches likewise, sometimes you internalize things and

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Speaker 4: you put everything on your shoulders. But in the end,

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Speaker 4: it's not about one person or one player. It's a

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Speaker 4: going to take responsibility. He probably gets his share of

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Speaker 3: And the things we have no control over department, the

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Speaker 3: buy doesn't come until after this game, Jacksonville coming off

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Speaker 2: The things that struck me. You were talking to Sean

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Speaker 1: Better at that?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you can leave the comments to us. We'll leave

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Speaker 2: That's what this is gonna be? Thirteen games in row.

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Speaker 4: out schedule the wise, what makes the most sense, not

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Speaker 4: to get too far ahead, but once you get past

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Speaker 4: the buy, the schedule I would say has some nuances

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Speaker 4: that we haven't had in the past, but we have

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Speaker 4: some experience because of the way the schedule had been

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Speaker 4: set up earlier, so you try to modify and it

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Speaker 4: just as we go to Miko does a great job

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Speaker 4: and kind of having a pulse of where the team

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Speaker 4: is and taking the information, and you want to make

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Speaker 4: sure physically the players are in a position where they

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Speaker 4: go out there and perform an optimal level on Sunday

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Speaker 4: or Monday or whenever we play.

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Speaker 3: I think I asked you this a couple of years ago,

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Speaker 3: But where are we at now with you sending somebody

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Speaker 3: to a game where the team is that's two weeks

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Speaker 3: down the line in the schedule, you're going to face them,

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Speaker 3: and you're in the building. You're still allowed to do

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Speaker 3: those kinds of things.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, typically the advanced scout will go watch the game

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Speaker 4: of the opponent the week before, unless there's a buy

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Speaker 4: and then maybe you go two weeks out. So it's

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Speaker 4: pretty standard procedure across the league. So you know, Miami,

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Speaker 4: whenever they play, will have somebody that's advanced in Miami

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Speaker 4: that will see them play live. And really you're not

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Speaker 4: looking for too many things other than a couple of

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Speaker 4: things to kind of clean up their report, right, maybe

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Speaker 4: send the injuries, what took place during the course of

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Speaker 4: the game, so the coaches have the most updated information

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Speaker 4: in terms of their preparation for that week.

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Speaker 1: How do you do that for yourself? Right?

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Speaker 3: Do you have different people and they have different roles

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Speaker 3: every week looking at specific things.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, every opponent has a specific scout assigned to that team,

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Speaker 4: and then you have other people within the organization analytics,

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Speaker 4: some of the other different groups will providing information on

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Speaker 4: that particular team. So you kind of segment the responsibility

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Speaker 4: to spread the responsibilities out and everybody kind of has

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Speaker 4: a certain workload each week all to provide the information

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Speaker 4: to the staff and to the players so we can

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Speaker 4: utilize it and put ourselves in the best position on Sunday.

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Speaker 4: So it's the scout and you report on Mount Union.

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Speaker 4: They're a good football team that we haven't beaten I

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Speaker 4: think in a long time.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: Sure, if you ask Cecil, he'll tell you if and

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Speaker 6: when it's ever happened.

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Speaker 3: They have all those players, right, don't they have two

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Speaker 3: hundred players or something.

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Speaker 4: They've done a great job with a program, so they do.

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Speaker 4: They have a massive amount of kids at their disposal.

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Speaker 4: So however, many dress you know, varsity and then they

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Speaker 4: have the university program. But it's a great program. Have

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Speaker 4: a lot of respect for their program, what they've done

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Speaker 4: through the years. There's not too many programs in college

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Speaker 4: football that can compete with what Mount Union does, regardless

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Speaker 4: of the level. So it'll be I'm sure it'll be

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Speaker 4: a fun environment alliance here this week.

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Speaker 1: I know, I know you're working. I get all that

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Speaker 1: we're all working to.

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Speaker 2: Get that, But is this the best football weekend of

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Speaker 2: the year. That You've got Thanksgiving football, You've got high

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Speaker 2: school playoff games I think are in here. On Friday,

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Speaker 2: you've got obviously we travel, but then you've got all

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Speaker 2: the college games that are happening, especially one that's in

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Speaker 2: college station. And then you've got an NFL on Monday.

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Speaker 2: I mean, we got Black Friday game too. I mean,

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Speaker 2: we all kinds of things going on. Is this the

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Speaker 2: best football weekend of the year.

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Speaker 6: There's a lot of question. There's a lot going on.

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Speaker 4: So typically right around Thanksgiving or after Thanksgiving is really

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Speaker 4: when football season starts because those games typically are the

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Speaker 4: most meaningful, regardless of the level at our level, high

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Speaker 4: school level, like you alluded to, bolseason, college football playoff

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Speaker 4: starting to transition to that. So end of November December

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Speaker 4: it's exciting time if you're a football fan, and there's

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Speaker 4: a lot of content that's available, so content and they're

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Speaker 4: still maction so you can't.

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Speaker 1: Games on Tuesday night.

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Speaker 3: Johnny wants to volunteer to be the scout for Aggie's Longhorns.

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Speaker 1: By the way, absolutely tough tickets.

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Speaker 6: So I would go down.

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Speaker 4: There if the game wasn't too late. So but it's

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Speaker 4: it's it's six thirty Saturday night, or.

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Speaker 2: I couldn't make it back priorities mark you know this

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Speaker 2: hours for the game. Very important question.

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Speaker 6: Thanks National Anthem is playing.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we put coach on the spot about Thanksgiving, so

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Speaker 3: we're gonna put you on the spot as well. You

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Speaker 3: have to replace turkey as the main dish. Turkey's on waivers.

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Speaker 3: You need to come up with a replacement. Who's what

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Speaker 3: is going to replace the turkey?

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Speaker 6: Is chicken an option?

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Speaker 7: Or is.

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Speaker 1: An option?

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Speaker 4: We're kind of in the meat turkey family, so I probably.

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Speaker 3: Turkey poultry too. Yeah like that, I guess. So it

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Speaker 3: just doesn't seem like it.

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 4: Don't ask me about sides because I won't have a

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Speaker 4: good solution. Nobody's gonna like my solution for size. I

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Speaker 4: want to hear the sides, man, I want to hear

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Speaker 4: the sides.

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Speaker 1: I want to hear them. You're gonna have some sweet.

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Speaker 4: Replacements for the existing Yeah, nobody would ever have Thanksgiving

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Speaker 4: with me with the sides.

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Speaker 2: I would absolutely nick, no doubt, as long as you

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Speaker 2: have mass potatoes and I don't know, sweet potato cast role.

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Speaker 1: Then we'd be good. We'd be fine.

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Speaker 2: But my guess is that's not Hey here, Thanksgiving me

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Speaker 2: all right, we get back, Mark and I we'll talk

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Speaker 2: about the Jaguars, what takes back from Trevor Lawrence, and

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Speaker 2: we'll predict the three games on Thanksgiving.

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Speaker 1: That's tax on text.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to this Wednesday edition of Texans All Access

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Speaker 2: from the Unday Texans Radio Studio. John Harris, Mark Vandermire

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Speaker 2: on Thanksgiving, Eve.

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Speaker 1: Boy, we got a lot to be thankful.

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Speaker 2: Look, I know the Texans have been struggling with wins lately,

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Speaker 2: and I get all that.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's been tough. It's been tough sledding.

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Speaker 2: But we'll get back on the horse on Sunday against

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Speaker 2: the Jacksonville Jaguars. Mark, what do you make of Trevor

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Speaker 2: Lawrence potentially being back? We don't know for sure, maybe

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Speaker 2: be listed as questionable. I got feelings to be back.

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Speaker 2: What do you make of that as opposed to facing

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Speaker 2: Mac Jones, who's the backup there in Jacksonville.

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Speaker 3: I thought Mac Jones was going to be playing better

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Speaker 3: when he got into the lineup.

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Speaker 1: I thought he would perform better.

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Speaker 3: I thought this was a golden opportunity for him when

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Speaker 3: he went to Jacksonville.

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Speaker 1: I thought, Okay, great for him.

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Speaker 3: If Lawrence gets hurt, he's got that chance to prove Hey,

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Speaker 3: I'm the mac Jones of twenty twenty one that looked

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Speaker 3: pretty good and brought the Patriots to the playoffs. I mean,

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Speaker 3: that was a lot of hope for that franchise at

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Speaker 3: that point, and then he just regressed from there and

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Speaker 3: that was it.

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Speaker 1: So to me, it's worth noting that Lawrence.

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Speaker 3: Is not playing well, like we saw him make some

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Speaker 3: big plays from time to time earlier this season. But then, Johnny,

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Speaker 3: every time I watch a highlight, it's like, oh, here

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Speaker 3: there's a pick, or he gets sacked or whatever. And look,

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Speaker 3: I know it's a collective thing.

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Speaker 1: Johnny.

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Speaker 3: It's not going well at all for him. Look at

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Speaker 3: their offensive numbers. They are last or near last in

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Speaker 3: so many categories offensively and defensively for that matter. It

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Speaker 3: is a horrendous season. It's not so much about Lawrence

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Speaker 3: to me, it's what do the Jags have coming out

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Speaker 3: of the bye. Will there be some kind of bounce,

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Speaker 3: a dead cat bounce or something like that, or are

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Speaker 3: they really done? And everyone's thought about their summer plans

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Speaker 3: during the bye and they're just going to come back

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Speaker 3: and mail it in because I'm not so sure what

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Speaker 3: to expect. I think they'll look at what the Titans did,

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Speaker 3: but will they be able to do that? You tell me,

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Speaker 3: Devon Hamilton, you know Eric Armstead in the middle. This

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Speaker 3: is not exactly Jeffrey Simmons and Tovandre Sweat right, not

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Speaker 3: this trick. I think that you're going to have success

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Speaker 3: running against them because everybody has right there last in

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Speaker 3: the league, so you should be able to run the

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Speaker 3: football on them the way you did on Dallas, at

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Speaker 3: least somewhat. And I think that's really going to help

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Speaker 3: out the Texans and make life tough on Lawrence because

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Speaker 3: he might have to rally his team from behind, and

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Speaker 3: then you can get after them with this bunch of

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Speaker 3: as Matt Burke will tell us, explosive defensive playmakers, because

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Speaker 3: they can play like that. We've seen it and we

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Speaker 3: need to see more of it on the road Sunday.

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Speaker 2: So just to give you an idea, you the listener

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Speaker 2: to Willmark's talking about, as far as it pertains to numbers,

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Speaker 2: the Jaguars defense is the last in the league, giving

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Speaker 2: up four and fourteen points or four and fourteen points

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Speaker 2: per game, four and fourteen yards per game. Their last

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Speaker 2: in passing defense, giving up two hundred and seventy eight

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Speaker 2: yards per game.

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Speaker 1: There's seventh from the bottom.

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Speaker 2: Twenty sixth overall in the league with giving up one

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Speaker 2: hundred and thirty six yards per game. Points allowed, they're

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Speaker 2: giving up twenty nine. That's third to last in the NFL.

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Speaker 2: The only category, the only major offense or defensive category

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Speaker 2: where they are not within the last like ten last

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Speaker 2: third of the league is sacks. They're tied for twelfth

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Speaker 2: with twenty one, which makes sense. They've got Trayvon Walker,

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Speaker 2: who's done some better things. Yeah, and I want to

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Speaker 2: get to the comparison you had for him in a

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Speaker 2: little bit.

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Speaker 1: Theyve got Josh.

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Speaker 2: Haines Allen who hasn't as good a year, but they

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Speaker 2: can't rush the quarterback you mentioned, Von Hamilton, Eric Armison.

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Speaker 1: They've got some dudes that can get there. So that's

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Speaker 1: sack numbers up up.

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Speaker 2: But you look at everything else now, third down defense,

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Speaker 2: they're twenty ninth, giving up forty five percent conversion percentage,

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Speaker 2: red zone defense sixty five percent for twenty six in

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Speaker 2: the league takeaways, They're tied for twenty ninth with just eight,

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Speaker 2: and the offense isn't much better. Total offense their thirtieth

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Speaker 2: passing offense, they're twenty seventh, rushing offense their twenty fifth.

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Speaker 2: Here's what bothers me if I'm a Jaguars fan with

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Speaker 2: all of that mark, if I'm a Jaguars fan, I'm

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Speaker 2: looking at going hold on.

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Speaker 1: Trevor made a lot of strides.

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Speaker 2: A couple of years ago, and I know he's missed

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Speaker 2: last couple of games, But like what the two running

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Speaker 2: backs Tank Bigsby, Trevor e TN, Travis Etn. I'm getting

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Speaker 2: confused now because there's a Trevor and there's a Travis, Yes,

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Speaker 2: Travis Etn and you.

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Speaker 1: Got Tank Bigsby. Like what it is an offensive line?

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Speaker 2: It got rid of Cam Robinson, but Scott some first

647
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Speaker 2: round picks on it, Evan Ingram, Bryan Thomas, even though

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Speaker 2: there's no Christian Kirk, Gabe Davis, Like, like.

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Speaker 1: What that offense?

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Speaker 2: He says talent defensively mentioned some of the talent. Foyer

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Speaker 2: Luka is one of the better linebackers in the league.

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Speaker 2: Lloyd Devin Lloyd has played pretty well when he's been

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Speaker 2: in there.

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Speaker 1: Ventro Miller.

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Speaker 2: We saw the introduction of Ventro Miller back in Week four.

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Speaker 2: Ventro Miller was absolutely fantastic. Tyson Campbell we didn't face,

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Speaker 2: but he's a pretty good corner. Cisco Savage, Like, what

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Speaker 2: the absolute hell is going on that these numbers are abysmal.

659
00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:31,919
Speaker 3: It just it's mind bowl, not just a middle of

660
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:37,399
Speaker 3: the pack bottom third. It's dead DFL, dead freaking last.

661
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:40,760
Speaker 3: And I've said it, the whole is less than the

662
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:43,280
Speaker 3: some of the parts with the Jaguars, and the Texans

663
00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:45,480
Speaker 3: are playing that way offensively right now too, by the way,

664
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:47,840
Speaker 3: because you'd expect more was what they've got on the field.

665
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:50,400
Speaker 3: So they'll have to address that. Is this a get

666
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:52,560
Speaker 3: well game for the Texans. I don't think you can

667
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:54,159
Speaker 3: look at anything as a get well game right now.

668
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:56,280
Speaker 3: I don't know what just happened, but you do know this.

669
00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:58,760
Speaker 3: You knew going into the Titans game. It was not

670
00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:01,560
Speaker 3: the Dallas defense you were fake. It was a tougher

671
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:04,359
Speaker 3: defense statistically. It's true now in the red zone not

672
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:05,959
Speaker 3: as good, but they were pretty good in the red

673
00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:06,639
Speaker 3: zone on Sunday.

674
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:07,879
Speaker 1: I don't have the numbers in front of me, but

675
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:09,040
Speaker 1: I know you had the ball at the eleven.

676
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:12,040
Speaker 3: You went backwards right, so that was a problem, and

677
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:14,359
Speaker 3: again a lot of that self inflicted. But with the

678
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:16,800
Speaker 3: Jags in Dallas, you look at those numbers and you're

679
00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:19,440
Speaker 3: hoping that plays out that way, that you can run

680
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:21,520
Speaker 3: the ball with Joe, which is going to make life

681
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:24,359
Speaker 3: so much easier. And you went there last year in

682
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:28,240
Speaker 3: Week three and dismantled them. Now it was a closer

683
00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:30,080
Speaker 3: game here. It was a closer game last year when

684
00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:32,919
Speaker 3: you joint the field goal off the crossbar with Madame

685
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:36,679
Speaker 3: Mondola in the rematch. This is a rematch game. I

686
00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:39,240
Speaker 3: just can't look past it. I can't assume anything. I've

687
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:43,040
Speaker 3: always given up on predictions. Okay, for years I've given

688
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:45,920
Speaker 3: up on predictions, but I always feel like I've got

689
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:47,800
Speaker 3: a little bit of a feel for how the team

690
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:51,520
Speaker 3: might play, and I think I know they're gonna play hard.

691
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:54,440
Speaker 3: I never questioned the effort. Even Sunday against the Tennessee Titans.

692
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:57,280
Speaker 3: It was execution all the way. So they're gonna play hard.

693
00:28:57,520 --> 00:28:59,800
Speaker 3: Will they be able to execute? I think there'll be

694
00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:02,360
Speaker 3: a lot better, but I don't know until I see it.

695
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:04,480
Speaker 3: And I think the coach probably feels the same way.

696
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:05,360
Speaker 3: He's got to see it.

697
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:09,200
Speaker 1: Because Johnny early on in my you know, not pro.

698
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:12,280
Speaker 3: Football coverage, but football coverage career, just being a reporter

699
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:15,880
Speaker 3: and listening to great coaches. I was covering Penn State

700
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:19,280
Speaker 3: as a reporter. Yeah, and Joe Paterno said, you never

701
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:22,440
Speaker 3: know how they're gonna play. Sometimes you practice good and

702
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:24,959
Speaker 3: they play bad. Sometimes you don't practice as well as

703
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:27,560
Speaker 3: you want. They played great, So that was my bad.

704
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:29,640
Speaker 3: Joe Paterno, by the way, that actually is pretty good.

705
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:30,560
Speaker 6: I like it.

706
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:30,800
Speaker 1: Well.

707
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:33,520
Speaker 3: His brother George used to do the color yeah, so

708
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:36,400
Speaker 3: on the radio. So the postgame interview was like, so, Joe,

709
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:39,320
Speaker 3: what'd you think of that second down? Well, George, I

710
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:41,760
Speaker 3: gotta tell you. I'll see it for dinner tonight. Oh yes,

711
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:44,080
Speaker 3: Sue's gonna make some apple pie. It'll be great. They

712
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:46,640
Speaker 3: were talking like that. Anyway, you never know how they're

713
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:49,200
Speaker 3: gonna play. He said two things I'll never forget. You

714
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:50,880
Speaker 3: never know how the schedule is gonna play out. And

715
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:52,840
Speaker 3: you really don't know how the team's gonna perform until

716
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:53,719
Speaker 3: you roll the ball out there.

717
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:56,120
Speaker 2: That's really true. You know who, I have a hard time,

718
00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:59,280
Speaker 2: So I told us a little bit of this. But

719
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:02,040
Speaker 2: last last weekend, I was moving on Saturday, and so

720
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:06,040
Speaker 2: as I was driving the U haul back to the

721
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 2: U haul place I got it from, I got on

722
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:12,520
Speaker 2: my phone and I got on YouTube TV and I

723
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:15,640
Speaker 2: put on the Notre Dame Army game. Yeah, and I

724
00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:18,840
Speaker 2: just listened to it. And as I'm listening, I'm kind

725
00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:21,120
Speaker 2: of thinking about things. I'm thinking ahead to Sunday. So

726
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:24,480
Speaker 2: I'm kind of like, I'm listening, but I'm not really focused.

727
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:27,800
Speaker 2: And so I hear a voice and I was like, man,

728
00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:31,000
Speaker 2: why as I am doing this game, I thought NFL games,

729
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:33,440
Speaker 2: And then I realized, oh god, that's Noah.

730
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:38,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, they sound identical I do. I think Noah is

731
00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:39,720
Speaker 1: a tinge deeper.

732
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:43,040
Speaker 2: I mean, amazing, but just I'm a big guy. Well

733
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:44,760
Speaker 2: you know, I'm definitely my right ear. So I don't

734
00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:46,480
Speaker 2: hear as well as you do. You have you have

735
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:47,960
Speaker 2: great you have a great ear.

736
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:48,560
Speaker 7: I do not.

737
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:51,800
Speaker 2: I listen to them and go, oh my god. They

738
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:53,920
Speaker 2: they're they're so close, so like.

739
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:56,800
Speaker 1: They definitely sound like family members, think them.

740
00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:59,680
Speaker 2: Hearing them like hearing Noah doing I got to remind myself,

741
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:01,040
Speaker 2: oh man, Noah's doing the.

742
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:03,040
Speaker 1: Game and he's like sixteen years old.

743
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:05,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. He looks like he's just, you know, straight

744
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 2: out of it. But he But those two sound those

745
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 2: two sound identical. So I can imagine what listening to

746
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:14,719
Speaker 2: Joe and George was. But it's a great point. You

747
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:21,120
Speaker 2: never know, because we've said this a few times. I

748
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:24,640
Speaker 2: like to play this game about what if I told

749
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:26,160
Speaker 2: you would you take it?

750
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:26,840
Speaker 6: Okay?

751
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:29,360
Speaker 2: Because how many times did we in the offseason go,

752
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:32,960
Speaker 2: would you take ten and seven? No, you know nothing

753
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:36,240
Speaker 2: about the season nothing, Yeah, but would you.

754
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:39,160
Speaker 1: Take ten and seven? And how many times?

755
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:41,600
Speaker 2: And how many people would respond and say, hell yeah

756
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 2: against this schedule? Yes, I'll take ten and seven. Yes,

757
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:47,520
Speaker 2: against this schedule. Absolutely, I'll take ten and seven.

758
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:50,960
Speaker 3: People turn me down on that, you know, hypothetical, Yeah,

759
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:53,640
Speaker 3: but I took it. I took ten and seven, and

760
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:56,080
Speaker 3: I'm hoping for more and you still could get more.

761
00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:58,080
Speaker 3: But right now, ten and seven means three and two

762
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:00,920
Speaker 3: down the stretch here. Yeah, oh boy. After seeing what

763
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:03,440
Speaker 3: happened on Sunday, you're thinking, is that gonna happen for

764
00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:03,960
Speaker 3: then two?

765
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:05,600
Speaker 1: You know, you can't.

766
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:08,040
Speaker 3: Assume victories over Jacksonville in Tennessee, and then you get

767
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:09,080
Speaker 3: one of the others and you're good.

768
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:10,800
Speaker 1: I can't assume anything at this point.

769
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:12,800
Speaker 3: You got to play better, and I think they will, Johnny,

770
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:15,240
Speaker 3: I think they're gonna find a way. But you know, man,

771
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:18,239
Speaker 3: I'm the Norman Vincent Peel of sports casting. Yeah, I mean,

772
00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 3: I think I'm with you. I do think they'll they'll

773
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:23,960
Speaker 3: play better. I'm trying to.

774
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:28,720
Speaker 2: There are a lot of people that I went to

775
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:31,240
Speaker 2: lunch today with my friend Don and a few of

776
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:33,000
Speaker 2: his guys from the office, and we were talking about

777
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:35,680
Speaker 2: the game, and you're just talking about the team, et cetera.

778
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:39,880
Speaker 2: And it's I feel like this is kind of like

779
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:43,560
Speaker 2: a Chinese finger lock game and a Chinese finger lock

780
00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 2: if you ever got a Chinese finger lock, it's the

781
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:48,440
Speaker 2: thing where you put it on one finger, you put

782
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:51,640
Speaker 2: it on the other finger, and to get it off

783
00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:55,000
Speaker 2: you actually have to think the opposite, Like you think

784
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:58,160
Speaker 2: to rip it out, but no, if you pull harder,

785
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:02,040
Speaker 2: you end up tightening it up. But if you end

786
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:04,120
Speaker 2: up kind of using some finesse and kind of go

787
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:05,960
Speaker 2: against it and kind of go against the grain, which

788
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 2: is no no, no, push back in right and then subtly

789
00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 2: pull out.

790
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 1: I think that's kind of what this game is about.

791
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:16,360
Speaker 2: And this is what I worry about us in a sense,

792
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:21,360
Speaker 2: is that in football, you think work harder, hit harder,

793
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:26,120
Speaker 2: goer harder, you'll win the game. And I think there

794
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 2: are times where that's not always the case. Where I

795
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:32,040
Speaker 2: feel like that can put you in the Chinese finger lock.

796
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:34,520
Speaker 2: You start doing that, and yet now you're locked up.

797
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:37,200
Speaker 2: There's a finesse aspect too, right, There's a finesse and

798
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 2: a flow and a rhythm that you've got to be

799
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 2: able to find. And I think that's what this team

800
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 2: needs to find. We don't need the the you don't

801
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:48,280
Speaker 2: need that, you don't need the Rocky.

802
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 1: Speech, especially on defense right right, and they're already amped

803
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:53,320
Speaker 1: up as it is. But it's just.

804
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:58,040
Speaker 2: Play your game, get in your groove and dominate the game.

805
00:33:58,120 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 2: This is a team in the Jaguars that won't have

806
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:03,400
Speaker 2: Cam Robinson. He's in Minnesota, so you're gonna see Walker

807
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:05,560
Speaker 2: Little and you're gonna see the young guy Anton Harrison

808
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 2: on the other side.

809
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:08,360
Speaker 1: Get after it. Get yeah, just get after it.

810
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:10,640
Speaker 2: They're gonna they're gonna try and do whatever they can

811
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:14,840
Speaker 2: to slow you down. But it can't be this. And

812
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:17,239
Speaker 2: I think sometimes this happens and I mean it's you

813
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:19,359
Speaker 2: can use whatever analogy. I use a Chinese finger lock,

814
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:22,320
Speaker 2: but you can use any analogy that you want where

815
00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:25,160
Speaker 2: you're just squeezing it too hard. You squeezing the ball

816
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:28,239
Speaker 2: too hard, you're aiming the balls you shoot it. You know,

817
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:31,400
Speaker 2: you're trying to hit your seven iron a little extra

818
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:33,799
Speaker 2: because you're just gassed up, like I gotta hte this thing.

819
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:37,120
Speaker 2: It's like, no, just settle in and play your game

820
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 2: and you'll end up being okay, and let the emotion, like,

821
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:43,960
Speaker 2: don't let the emotion over take your execution in a game.

822
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:45,359
Speaker 1: You know you have to win.

823
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:47,480
Speaker 2: We have to win this, we have no, no, you

824
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:49,399
Speaker 2: have to just go play well, and if you play well,

825
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:49,839
Speaker 2: you'll win.

826
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:53,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, anybody who plays golf will tell you that's the thing. Right,

827
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:56,319
Speaker 3: swing harder, it's bound to go a lot better, right, Right,

828
00:34:56,960 --> 00:35:00,200
Speaker 3: Not always, you know, sometimes I'll just cut my swing

829
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:01,960
Speaker 3: and a half for three quarters and I'm hitting it

830
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:03,720
Speaker 3: just as far because I'm making better content.

831
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:04,120
Speaker 5: Right.

832
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:07,839
Speaker 3: Thirty eight special sang hold on loosely, but don't let go.

833
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:11,200
Speaker 3: If you came too tight, you're gonna lose control. I

834
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:13,680
Speaker 3: read that like Shakespeare, but there were a band that

835
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:18,560
Speaker 3: featured Donnie van Zant, Ronnie's little brother. Oh really, yeah,

836
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:21,080
Speaker 3: Donnie's the lead singer. Now he doesn't sing that song.

837
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:24,279
Speaker 3: The guitarist, I forget his name, sings that song. But

838
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:27,680
Speaker 3: Donnie was actually their lead singer. And he wore a

839
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:32,000
Speaker 3: hat like Ronnie used to sometimes. Yeah, Ronnie, though, there's Johnny,

840
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:35,240
Speaker 3: Ronnie and Donnie. As far as the van Zants, those

841
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:38,560
Speaker 3: two are you good for you? But Ronnie had this

842
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:42,680
Speaker 3: charisma that you couldnot define. It was an intangible it

843
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:46,760
Speaker 3: was a thing. He sang free Bird among sweet Home, Alabama. Obviously,

844
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:48,960
Speaker 3: Ronnie van Zant was a legend. He just had this

845
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:51,520
Speaker 3: thing about him. It's hard to put into words, it's

846
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:53,759
Speaker 3: hard to quantify. Ironic that you brought it up when

847
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:56,320
Speaker 3: we're going to Jacksonville. Well, I was thinking about the

848
00:35:57,360 --> 00:36:00,839
Speaker 3: home of Leonard Skidder, one of the greatest bands ever.

849
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:03,360
Speaker 3: And I will stand by this, Johnny. This isn't I

850
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:05,920
Speaker 3: don't know if this is a sizzlefire hot take. Okay,

851
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:08,520
Speaker 3: those of us who are into classic rock and all

852
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:11,040
Speaker 3: the great live albums that came out in the seventies,

853
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:13,080
Speaker 3: and I don't have to list them all, but I

854
00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:15,839
Speaker 3: think Leonard Skinner has the best live album of all time,

855
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:18,279
Speaker 3: One More from the Road. It has live free Bird

856
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:21,919
Speaker 3: on it. It blows away the studio version. It's so good,

857
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:26,200
Speaker 3: it's so tight, they're so it sounds thick. It's awesome.

858
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:28,480
Speaker 3: It's better than Almond Brothers, Phil Moore. Ease, Okay, I'll

859
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:31,160
Speaker 3: stop now. Three people like this, but we'll move on

860
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:31,920
Speaker 3: back to football.

861
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:33,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, so we're going to Jacksonville.

862
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:36,200
Speaker 2: It was Lee High School, which actually has been changed

863
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:39,000
Speaker 2: I think to Legacy High School because they didn't want

864
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 2: the Robert E.

865
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:43,120
Speaker 1: Lee connection in Jacksonville. That's where they met.

866
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:48,919
Speaker 2: They had a phys ed pe what a physical education whatever?

867
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:49,160
Speaker 7: You are?

868
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:52,560
Speaker 2: The teacher, right, the teacher was named Leonard Skinner, and

869
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:55,400
Speaker 2: so they changed. Skinner's a big name in Jacksonville, a

870
00:36:55,440 --> 00:37:00,960
Speaker 2: big name. Oh, and so Leonard Skinner was the I

871
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 2: don't know whether they named it, you know, ironically or whatever,

872
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:05,279
Speaker 2: but that's what they came up with they I saw

873
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 2: the documentary.

874
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:08,080
Speaker 3: I forget how they arrived at that. And Lee High

875
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:11,120
Speaker 3: School here, by the way, change its name too. Lee

876
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:14,120
Speaker 3: High School. Well, there's one in Baytown, right, yeah, and

877
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:18,719
Speaker 3: there's one in West tim or West Park area. I

878
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:21,280
Speaker 3: used to do a junior junior achievement class.

879
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:24,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm trying to think if that's I forget what

880
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:26,080
Speaker 1: they changed the name to. But they changed the name.

881
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:27,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, but a lot of the a lot of the

882
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:32,120
Speaker 2: Robert E. Lee schools have changed the name. Like Odessa

883
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:35,640
Speaker 2: Permian's rival was at the time Midland Lee. That's now

884
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 2: that's not Midland Legacy, so they've they've changed the name.

885
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 1: So they think, go Midland Billy Bob Thornton, Yeah, yeah, yeah,

886
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:43,640
Speaker 1: you remember that for Friday Night. Light's one of the

887
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:46,040
Speaker 1: worst movies there ever was. Okay, don't like that.

888
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:50,200
Speaker 2: Tomorrow night we will not be on the air because

889
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:56,279
Speaker 2: there are three Thanksgiving games. Now, what I do every

890
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:59,800
Speaker 2: Friday is I pick every game straight up and against

891
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:04,560
Speaker 2: spread for fun, for fun. I pick those games for

892
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:08,439
Speaker 2: fun entertainment purposes only, yes, And I stress that every

893
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:10,520
Speaker 2: time that I do it, that we're doing it just

894
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:13,000
Speaker 2: for fun, because it's a fun way to talk about

895
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:15,680
Speaker 2: the games. Well, we're not gonna be on the air

896
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:18,759
Speaker 2: till Friday, and there will be three Thanksgiving games. I

897
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:21,799
Speaker 2: think one of them is but two of them get

898
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:25,040
Speaker 2: to be kind of interesting, so we guess what the

899
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:27,239
Speaker 2: one I.

900
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 1: Mean, there's still drama with it. There always is. But

901
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:30,440
Speaker 1: I'll be watching.

902
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:37,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, don't forget your giant think I'm not watching. But

903
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:39,920
Speaker 2: there are three games, so we're gonna do this straight

904
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:41,560
Speaker 2: up and against the spread. You don't have to pick them,

905
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 2: but we can just discuss them and just how we

906
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:48,640
Speaker 2: feel about these being our Thanksgiving games. Uh for Thursday.

907
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:54,319
Speaker 2: So Thursday starts as it always does, in Detroit with

908
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:58,920
Speaker 2: the Lions taking on the Bears. Okay, I'll let you

909
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 2: guess Detroit's favorite. How much you think they're favored by

910
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:04,200
Speaker 2: against the Bears. It's a game eight and a half,

911
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:07,840
Speaker 2: you're good nine and a half? Okay, Detroit nine and

912
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:11,000
Speaker 2: a half point favorite. Chicago's plus three eighty on the

913
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:14,120
Speaker 2: money line. Wow, I think the Lions win this one.

914
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:16,200
Speaker 2: But the Bears are playing better. This whole Thomas Brown

915
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:18,480
Speaker 2: thing and offensive coordinator are a little bit.

916
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:19,600
Speaker 1: Barious, a little bit better.

917
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 2: I'm curious what how do I say this? What saves

918
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:24,960
Speaker 2: Matt Eberfus's job?

919
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:28,120
Speaker 1: They how many they have? Five or four and seven?

920
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:30,759
Speaker 1: Right now? Are there? Four and seven or four and seven?

921
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:31,799
Speaker 1: So I got six left?

922
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:36,279
Speaker 3: If they go three and three, four and two and

923
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:40,600
Speaker 3: look good in the losses, close games, offensive proficiency, still

924
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:44,080
Speaker 3: playing good defense, Caleb making progress. I think there's I

925
00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:47,200
Speaker 3: think he's likely back, because what are you gonna do? Really,

926
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:49,200
Speaker 3: what are you gonna do? Are you gonna get Bill Belichick?

927
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:51,600
Speaker 3: Are you gonna get Mike Rabel? If you can get

928
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:55,240
Speaker 3: one of those guys, that's tempting. But if you can't,

929
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:57,680
Speaker 3: where you're gonna go some young coordinator?

930
00:39:57,800 --> 00:39:59,960
Speaker 1: I don't know is that really the way to go? Now?

931
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:03,680
Speaker 3: Wow, the Ben Johnson thing has been out there that

932
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:06,520
Speaker 3: if they needed a coach, he might want to go there.

933
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:10,560
Speaker 3: Coach Caleb take it from there. But the head coaching

934
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:11,719
Speaker 3: thing is a very different role.

935
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:12,480
Speaker 1: We all know that.

936
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:14,319
Speaker 3: Is he gonna want to go? Maybe he likes being

937
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:16,520
Speaker 3: a coordinator. I have no idea, but I would say

938
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:19,120
Speaker 3: that that could save Ebraflus's job and it would not

939
00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:20,960
Speaker 3: surprise me at all if the Bears keep this close.

940
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:24,640
Speaker 3: This is Thanksgiving Detroit good team, bad team. They tend

941
00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:27,879
Speaker 3: to lose on Thanksgiving, don't they Historically?

942
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:30,200
Speaker 2: Yes, But the last couple of years with Jared and

943
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:32,239
Speaker 2: the way that offense is playing, they are a good team.

944
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:34,400
Speaker 2: It's gonna be tough. I am I'm with you. I

945
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:36,000
Speaker 2: think Detroit wins this, but I think the Bear's gonna

946
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:37,239
Speaker 2: sid at nine. Now, that's a little too much for

947
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:38,080
Speaker 2: a division game to me.

948
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:43,280
Speaker 3: For entertainment purposes, I'll go twenty seven, twenty one.

949
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:45,600
Speaker 2: That sounds good. Toy Streuk is playing, I think that

950
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:49,360
Speaker 2: could happen. Okay, let's get to the let's get to

951
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:51,520
Speaker 2: the appetizer portion.

952
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:53,680
Speaker 1: Of Tommy DeVito didn't fly with the team. He did not,

953
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:57,560
Speaker 1: so it is going to be one. Drew Locke.

954
00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:01,080
Speaker 2: Now, during the game the other day, Hey, you know,

955
00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:05,600
Speaker 2: I brought this up. That Tennessee game to me, started

956
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:10,600
Speaker 2: having the feel Denver Broncos, Denver Broncos twenty nineteen, and

957
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:13,920
Speaker 2: that was Drew Locke special. He went off. And what

958
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:16,680
Speaker 2: has Drew Lock done? Not much since, but that day

959
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:20,839
Speaker 2: he went he was phenomenal. He was so good. He

960
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:23,279
Speaker 2: made throws. I mean he made it throw. I was

961
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:24,879
Speaker 2: sitting in the back of the end zone and Noah

962
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:26,960
Speaker 2: Fant was right in line with me in Lock and

963
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:31,200
Speaker 2: I saw this ball screaming at me and it goes

964
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:33,520
Speaker 2: through like three defenders and hits Fan right between the

965
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:36,160
Speaker 2: eight and seven for a touchdown. Like boys, we're in trouble.

966
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:40,239
Speaker 2: Today he will start for the Giants. Yeah, against the

967
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:42,880
Speaker 2: Dallas Cowboys. What do you think the spread is a

968
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:43,960
Speaker 2: Who do you think is favorite?

969
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:47,319
Speaker 1: What do you think it is? Dallas by five and

970
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:47,680
Speaker 1: a half?

971
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:51,120
Speaker 2: Oh, not bad, Dallas three and a half Cowboys with

972
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:54,080
Speaker 2: Cooper rushed to coming off. By the way, did you

973
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:56,759
Speaker 2: see the way that game ended against Washington last week?

974
00:41:57,000 --> 00:42:00,920
Speaker 1: That was incredible Turpin it was been did to us.

975
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:05,040
Speaker 3: He's the fastest guy, so fast other fast guys on

976
00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:08,280
Speaker 3: the field, he looks noticeably faster.

977
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:12,760
Speaker 2: I think he's the only guy that I've ever seen

978
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:14,960
Speaker 2: that might be.

979
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:21,200
Speaker 3: More explosive than Tyreek. Straight line, speedy, just like straight line,

980
00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:23,440
Speaker 3: just getting a ball and like in touchdown he had

981
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:26,719
Speaker 3: against the Texans, I couldn't even get the call out

982
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:27,920
Speaker 3: and he was celebrated.

983
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:29,319
Speaker 1: He's in a shower already. I know.

984
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:31,840
Speaker 3: It's like terpret with that touchdown. Oh my gosh, I

985
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:33,280
Speaker 3: couldn't even say a yard line.

986
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:35,640
Speaker 1: I mean, that's Tyreek stuff. That's Tyreek stuff.

987
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:38,400
Speaker 2: What he did, and then palming the ball, picking it

988
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:41,040
Speaker 2: up and then going for a touchdown. A little turn

989
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:45,279
Speaker 2: when he toward the Everybody was like, it's all right,

990
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:46,359
Speaker 2: comes comes back.

991
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:51,240
Speaker 3: It was total joystick stuff gone. It was incredible, Johnny.

992
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:53,520
Speaker 3: I like Dallas in this one. You know, they played

993
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 3: well last week. It's Thanksgiving. I think Rush is coming around.

994
00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:58,680
Speaker 3: I know he's been banged up. I like Dallas.

995
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:00,439
Speaker 1: This is kind of a must win. Dallas and played

996
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 1: well at home. I don't think the Giants are very good.

997
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:06,000
Speaker 2: Uh, they do have a good front, but we'll see

998
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 2: how that goes.

999
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:08,279
Speaker 1: I think Dallason can win. I think Dllason and cover

1000
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:11,719
Speaker 1: Tommy de Vito were healthy. Yeah, that'd be Timmy.

1001
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:15,160
Speaker 2: The fun game of the week of the Thanksgiving Day

1002
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:21,319
Speaker 2: Thursday is the nightcap in green Bay facing the eighty

1003
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:25,239
Speaker 2: three Packers the Miami Dolphins. The hot Dolphins went from

1004
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:26,799
Speaker 2: two and six to five and six.

1005
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 1: That is three in a row. What do you think

1006
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:31,719
Speaker 1: the spread is for this one? Not much, but for

1007
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:34,960
Speaker 1: green Bay three three and a half. Very good, very good.

1008
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:37,480
Speaker 3: I would say that's about that sounds about right. I

1009
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:39,080
Speaker 3: like the Packers, Yeah, I just do.

1010
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:40,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's cold weather.

1011
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:43,080
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what, though, our buddy Anthony Weaver has

1012
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:43,960
Speaker 2: done some good things.

1013
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:46,080
Speaker 1: He's done some good things. We'll get out of him.

1014
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:49,360
Speaker 3: Look, you and I identified him as a head coaching

1015
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:51,759
Speaker 3: candidate a long time ago, so we deserve credit for.

1016
00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:53,399
Speaker 1: His entire career, that's right, that's all.

1017
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:54,839
Speaker 3: And he should give us a cut of the new

1018
00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:57,239
Speaker 3: contract when he does get that gig if he forget it.

1019
00:43:57,480 --> 00:44:01,440
Speaker 3: But I like Green Bay and I love Anthony, but man,

1020
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:03,880
Speaker 3: I just I think Tuas should take the rest of

1021
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:07,760
Speaker 3: the year off for safety reasons. Yes, and we should

1022
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:11,040
Speaker 3: be facing anybody else by the time they get here.

1023
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:14,680
Speaker 1: Anybody next. That's the next Texans home game. It's not

1024
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:16,360
Speaker 1: for at least two and a half weeks.

1025
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:18,319
Speaker 2: I just remember watching that practice and he came here

1026
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:20,160
Speaker 2: and he had Tyreek, he didn't even have Jalen Waddle,

1027
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:23,600
Speaker 2: and he and Tyreek were just dialed in. I think

1028
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:25,200
Speaker 2: Packers win this. I think they're going to cover that

1029
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 2: three and a half. You though, mine is going to

1030
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:28,880
Speaker 2: make it interesting. Now, we won't be on there Friday

1031
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:31,680
Speaker 2: until six. This game will be over, So we'll pick

1032
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:33,719
Speaker 2: this one really quickly. It's green Bay all the way.

1033
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:37,600
Speaker 3: Look at thirty degrees low of twenty two precipitation.

1034
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:38,680
Speaker 1: Hawaiian Tua.

1035
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:40,920
Speaker 6: No not, it's not happening up there.

1036
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:43,359
Speaker 3: Although you know they had the Chiefs playoff game last

1037
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:47,880
Speaker 3: year points so to score fourteen and lose twenty one

1038
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:48,360
Speaker 3: to fourteen.

1039
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:49,279
Speaker 1: Okay, got it? Here you go.

1040
00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:54,600
Speaker 2: Black Friday game, Raiders at Chiefs in Arrowhead casey favored

1041
00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:58,440
Speaker 2: by thirteen. Raiders ain't winning this game, but can they

1042
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:01,279
Speaker 2: get decided thirteen? A lot of teams have a lot

1043
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:03,440
Speaker 2: of teams have against the Kansas City Chiefs.

1044
00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:05,720
Speaker 1: Kansas City Chiefs.

1045
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:09,640
Speaker 2: Have this inordinate amount, inordinate amount of one score games.

1046
00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:10,440
Speaker 1: Check this out.

1047
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:13,560
Speaker 2: One by seven, one by one, one by five, one

1048
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:16,319
Speaker 2: by seven. Now they beat the Saints by thirteen, beat

1049
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:19,359
Speaker 2: the Niners by ten. Then they won by seven, six, two,

1050
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:20,479
Speaker 2: nine to three.

1051
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:23,960
Speaker 3: Every time I turn on the TV, they're lining up

1052
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:25,920
Speaker 3: for a game winning field goal. That's what it feels

1053
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 3: like with the Kansas City Chiefs. So it wouldn't shock

1054
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:32,839
Speaker 3: me if it's close again. Aiden O'Connell, Right, O'Connell. If

1055
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:35,320
Speaker 3: i'm Amazon, I'm thinking you couldn't.

1056
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:37,440
Speaker 1: Do a little bit better for me on Friday. You

1057
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:40,320
Speaker 1: know who they got last year for the Jets, Tim Boyle.

1058
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:43,920
Speaker 1: They got Tim Boyle. On started they got the secutive

1059
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:47,520
Speaker 1: years Tim Boyle and eight O'Connell. I mean, sorry, Timmy,

1060
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:48,360
Speaker 1: We love you, Timmy.

1061
00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:51,239
Speaker 3: You know, tim Tim I feel about you, but you

1062
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:53,840
Speaker 3: know you're not exactly wanted marquee selling stuff.

1063
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:56,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, they wanted Rogers. Do you give the Raiders a

1064
00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:57,240
Speaker 2: chance to get inside thirteen?

1065
00:45:57,719 --> 00:45:57,959
Speaker 1: Yes?

1066
00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 2: Absolutely, Yeah, I think so too. Chiefs by ten. Yeah,

1067
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:02,600
Speaker 2: that's a good one. I'm going twenty four to fourteen.

1068
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:04,520
Speaker 2: That's a good one. All right, that's great stuff. Now

1069
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:06,280
Speaker 2: we got to go around the NFL. The injury report

1070
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:08,040
Speaker 2: is out. Let's take a look at it. Who was

1071
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:10,680
Speaker 2: in who was out on today's practice. We'll do that

1072
00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:12,880
Speaker 2: next on Texans All Access soap. But everybody, welcome back

1073
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:15,480
Speaker 2: to this Wednesday isation of Texans All Access. I'm your host,

1074
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:17,719
Speaker 2: John Harris, Football and the side of the Reporter for

1075
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:21,280
Speaker 2: your Houston Texans, And let's dive into this injury report

1076
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:25,280
Speaker 2: for Wednesday, first day back at practice. Notable names, especially

1077
00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:29,160
Speaker 2: on defense, especially on the defensive line. Will Anderson Junior,

1078
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:33,319
Speaker 2: Deniko Autry, Foley Fotacasi. All three did not participate in

1079
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:37,160
Speaker 2: practice on Wednesday. Jalen Petrie dealing with that shoulder you

1080
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:39,840
Speaker 2: heard Demko say on the coach A Show with us

1081
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:43,520
Speaker 2: A couple of weeks, A couple can be three, four,

1082
00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:45,560
Speaker 2: It can be five to six. We don't know, but

1083
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:49,760
Speaker 2: Jayleen Petrie did not participate. Don't anticipate him playing on Sunday.

1084
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:50,360
Speaker 1: Limited.

1085
00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:53,120
Speaker 2: Aziz Nico Blake was going to see Blake back at

1086
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:55,120
Speaker 2: least practicing dealing with that concussion for a couple of

1087
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Speaker 2: weeks ago. Ex Exavier Houtchieson with a shoulder shag, Mason

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00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:01,560
Speaker 2: Rest tunsl rest teaging with the knee, Jimmy Ward with

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00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:03,879
Speaker 2: the knee. So Jimmy took kind of a weird fall

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Speaker 2: right before the pick six on a TfL against the

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Speaker 2: Tennessee Titans. He had that pick six about a play later,

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Speaker 2: but then he went into the tenth. They looked at

1093
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:16,200
Speaker 2: it was out of practice. Was limited On the Jaguars side,

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00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:19,800
Speaker 2: The biggest two actually are in a limited category. Cornerback

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00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:22,360
Speaker 2: Tyson Campbell, really good player. Did not see him in

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00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:24,919
Speaker 2: week four. He's limited. But the big one is Trevor

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00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:26,879
Speaker 2: Lawrence and what Jaguars are gonna do.

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00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:27,919
Speaker 1: He's back at.

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Speaker 2: Practice and so kind of thought, all right, well, he's

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Speaker 2: probably gonna play, and I'm bracing for that. But then

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00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:35,560
Speaker 2: it was mentioned that surgery is not off the table,

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Speaker 2: So you don't know I think he's gonna be questionable,

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00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:39,960
Speaker 2: and we're just gonna have to play that waiting game

1104
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:42,279
Speaker 2: and see on Sunday whether Trevor Lawrence is the guy

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00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:45,080
Speaker 2: or it's gonna be Jacksonville native Mac Jones.

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Speaker 1: For the third straight week. We'll find out. I'm anticipating Trevor,

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00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:48,399
Speaker 1: but we'll see.

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Speaker 2: We get back speaking to Jacksonville membe out of Mike

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Speaker 2: Smart Vando me here with my guy, Frank FRANGI.

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Speaker 1: Next on Texans All Access. We got one hour down,

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00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:56,239
Speaker 1: one hour left to go.

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Speaker 2: Right here on a Wednesday edition to Texas All Access

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Speaker 2: from the Unday Texans Radios to you, I'm John Harris

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Speaker 2: football and a sideline reporter, and the Jacksonville.

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Speaker 1: Games are always some of my favorite ones.

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00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:09,960
Speaker 2: In particular because the two men that will be calling

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00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:13,400
Speaker 2: the game are good friends of mine my earlier life.

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00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:15,640
Speaker 2: When I was a young buck living in Jacksonville, I

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00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:18,279
Speaker 2: got to know Frank Franjie the Jaguars played by play

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Speaker 2: Man since twenty fourteen, and of course being in the

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00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:24,560
Speaker 2: building since twenty fourteen with my partner, my great friend,

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00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:27,840
Speaker 2: my family member, Mark Vandermiir the So it's always interesting

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00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:31,600
Speaker 2: when these two get together to talk about the Jaguars.

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Speaker 1: We call it men behind the mics.

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Speaker 2: It's part vandam R the Voice of the Texans with

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Speaker 2: the voice of the Jaguars Frank Frjie right.

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00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:41,799
Speaker 3: Here joining us here on Texans Radios. Frank Franzie, the

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00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:44,920
Speaker 3: voice of the Jacksonville Jaguars. And Frank, we catch you

1129
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:48,160
Speaker 3: up for the second time this year. So let's just

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00:48:48,239 --> 00:48:51,440
Speaker 3: start here. Characterize this season for me. I know it's

1131
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:52,600
Speaker 3: not what you expected.

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00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:54,879
Speaker 1: What are you getting out of the Jaguars in twenty

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00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:55,399
Speaker 1: twenty four.

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00:48:55,960 --> 00:48:58,279
Speaker 7: I'm mark good to be on with you and happy Thanksgiving,

1135
00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:00,640
Speaker 7: and I will tell you it's the strang the seasons

1136
00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:03,560
Speaker 7: since I've done this, I look a lot of times

1137
00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:06,840
Speaker 7: the Jags haven't been very good. We weren't super surprised

1138
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:10,439
Speaker 7: by it. Maybe a little. I'm surprised. I thought most

1139
00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:13,120
Speaker 7: people thought, not just here in town, but around that

1140
00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:15,080
Speaker 7: the Jags had a pretty good team this year, and

1141
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:16,759
Speaker 7: it hasn't gone the way anyone wanted.

1142
00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:17,080
Speaker 1: Two.

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Speaker 7: I spent a lot of time with Doug Peterson. I

1144
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:23,279
Speaker 7: know he's a little perplexed. I know everyone around here is.

1145
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:25,640
Speaker 7: So it's been a tough go. There's been a lot

1146
00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:27,680
Speaker 7: of games. They got blown out out of Detroit the

1147
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:29,640
Speaker 7: last game. I think they were kind of out of gas.

1148
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:31,840
Speaker 7: There were reports out there that this or that was

1149
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:34,319
Speaker 7: going to happen market. I think that affected them. Other

1150
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:37,240
Speaker 7: than that, they've played teams pretty close. They've had five

1151
00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:40,600
Speaker 7: games or six games they lost by five points or less.

1152
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:42,600
Speaker 7: That's a lot of games to lose by five points

1153
00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:45,000
Speaker 7: or less. All those games were decided kind of in

1154
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:46,520
Speaker 7: the last minute. But that's kind of how the league

1155
00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:49,880
Speaker 7: goes too, you know. So we're surprised that they struggled

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00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:51,920
Speaker 7: this much, and I think the hope is they had

1157
00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:54,560
Speaker 7: their bye last week two years ago they were three

1158
00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:56,759
Speaker 7: and seven at the buy. They were refreshed and made

1159
00:49:56,800 --> 00:49:58,719
Speaker 7: on a went on a little bit of a run,

1160
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Speaker 7: and hopefully that have this tub We'll see, all right.

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Speaker 3: So talk to me about Trevor Lawrence, Frank, because obviously

1162
00:50:04,680 --> 00:50:06,719
Speaker 3: not the kind of year he was looking for. I

1163
00:50:06,719 --> 00:50:08,200
Speaker 3: know he's been banged up, he's been out of the

1164
00:50:08,239 --> 00:50:10,799
Speaker 3: lineup for a while, but while he was in there,

1165
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Speaker 3: what are you seeing out of Trevor Lawrence this season?

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Speaker 7: I think Trevor at moments has played very well. The

1167
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:19,879
Speaker 7: biggest thing Trevor is all young quarterbacks, and he's still

1168
00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:22,200
Speaker 7: a young quarterback for twenty five years old and just

1169
00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:24,799
Speaker 7: turned twenty five. I think the one thing Trevor's got

1170
00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:26,759
Speaker 7: to learn is what plays not to make Mark. He's

1171
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:29,239
Speaker 7: made some mistakes that he wished he had bet but

1172
00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:31,160
Speaker 7: at times he's made big plays, and I'm not sure

1173
00:50:31,160 --> 00:50:32,560
Speaker 7: he's had a lot of help. I don't know that

1174
00:50:32,600 --> 00:50:34,480
Speaker 7: the Jags have been great at the line of scrimmage.

1175
00:50:34,719 --> 00:50:36,640
Speaker 7: They've run the ball from time to time, other times

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Speaker 7: they haven't. They've protected from time to time, but other

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Speaker 7: times they haven't. But I think Trevor's going to be fine.

1178
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Speaker 7: If right now he's dealing with the shoulder, they're not

1179
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:46,120
Speaker 7: sure he's going to play, they'll have to say it's

1180
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:48,000
Speaker 7: kind of been a day to day thing. He's been

1181
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:50,400
Speaker 7: out a left shoulder, not a throwing shoulder. He's been

1182
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Speaker 7: out the last mark the last two weeks, and they

1183
00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:55,680
Speaker 7: wanted him down before the breaks, and then they had

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Speaker 7: the two weeks plus to buy. But I don't know

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Speaker 7: if they're sure whether or not he's coming back or

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Speaker 7: when he's coming back. Hopefully he'll be able to play

1187
00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:03,200
Speaker 7: this week, but I don't think that's the guarantee, at

1188
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Speaker 7: least not today.

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Speaker 3: All right, So what about the running game, because I

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00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:09,279
Speaker 3: know injuries have been a factor there too, Frank tell

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Speaker 3: me about that.

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Speaker 7: I think the main thing with the running game. Yeah,

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00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:17,400
Speaker 7: Etm has banged up earlier. More recently, Tank Bigsby's been hurt.

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Speaker 7: I think the bigger thing is they haven't blocked as

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Speaker 7: well as they would have liked. Now. Look, having both

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Speaker 7: running backs go through some injuries, to your point, is

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Speaker 7: affected it a little bit. But they've got to block

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Speaker 7: a little bit better. Mark. I think that's the thing

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Speaker 7: probably that stands out, at least to me more than

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00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:33,799
Speaker 7: anything else. Tank Digsby's kind of evolved into their downhill runner.

1201
00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:36,480
Speaker 7: I think he's a pretty good downhill runner. Travis Etm

1202
00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:39,279
Speaker 7: the first round thing and still do special things. He's

1203
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:41,680
Speaker 7: better in space, I think. But when they have both

1204
00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:43,239
Speaker 7: of those guys, they are a pretty good running team.

1205
00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:44,799
Speaker 7: They've just got to block better, be a little bit

1206
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Speaker 7: better at the point of impact. But I'll say this,

1207
00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:49,239
Speaker 7: the way they've built this thing, they've got to run

1208
00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:51,919
Speaker 7: the football to be effective. There's no debating that. There's

1209
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:53,799
Speaker 7: no doubting that. To be as good as they could be.

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Speaker 7: They've got to find a way to run the football,

1211
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Speaker 7: not just this week against the Texans, but in these

1212
00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:00,960
Speaker 7: last six games to try and salvage is the season,

1213
00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:03,440
Speaker 7: to try and salvage a good finish to the season.

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Speaker 7: This season, that's been tough. Mark, They've got to run

1215
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Speaker 7: the football better than they have.

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Speaker 3: Frank Frangie, Voice of the Jaguars with US on Texans Radio.

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Speaker 3: What kind of revelation has Brian Thomas Junior been for you?

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Speaker 7: What a terrific player we thought he would be good.

1219
00:52:17,719 --> 00:52:20,239
Speaker 7: I think the speed is really real, Mark. You know

1220
00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:23,160
Speaker 7: when you play those really fast receivers, and Texans have

1221
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:24,560
Speaker 7: a bunch of them. So you see this when you

1222
00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:27,399
Speaker 7: play other teams, when you play those really fast guys,

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00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:29,400
Speaker 7: when you play Tyreek Hill, when you play guys that

1224
00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:33,040
Speaker 7: can run by players. BETCHI it's hard to replicate that

1225
00:52:33,120 --> 00:52:36,200
Speaker 7: in practice. So I think what the Jags have found

1226
00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:38,400
Speaker 7: out is when they protect Trevor, Trevor is a very

1227
00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:41,520
Speaker 7: good deep ball thrower. He's getting deep. I think Brian

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Speaker 7: Thomas has been one of the most pleasant surprises. He

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00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:46,120
Speaker 7: shouldn't be surprised. He's the first round pick, but he

1230
00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:48,279
Speaker 7: went twenty third overall, and they traded down a little

1231
00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:50,960
Speaker 7: bit to get him. I think he's been one of

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Speaker 7: the most pleasant surprises. He's competitive, he's tough. He's six

1233
00:52:54,560 --> 00:52:56,799
Speaker 7: to one tool five, so he's a big, physical guy.

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Speaker 7: He's been a wonderful player here and he's been banged

1235
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:02,919
Speaker 7: up a little bit. What's happening lately now Christian Kirk's gone,

1236
00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:05,400
Speaker 7: Who's a really good player. They didn't have Gabe Davis

1237
00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:08,120
Speaker 7: last week, so teams are kind of double teaming Brian

1238
00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:10,200
Speaker 7: a little bit here. They've got a safety shading his

1239
00:53:10,680 --> 00:53:12,839
Speaker 7: side and that's affected him. You know, a young player

1240
00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:15,319
Speaker 7: hasn't gone through that. Routes are harder when there's two

1241
00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:17,600
Speaker 7: guys on you. At boy Mark, he's a good player.

1242
00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:19,560
Speaker 7: He's a guy that is the years move forward here

1243
00:53:19,560 --> 00:53:22,000
Speaker 7: in Jacksonville. Keep an eye on number seven. I think

1244
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:23,120
Speaker 7: he's special. I really do.

1245
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Speaker 1: Frank.

1246
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:26,600
Speaker 3: Back in two thousand and six, the Texans drafted Mario

1247
00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:30,200
Speaker 3: Williams number one overall, and I'm not saying he flew

1248
00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:32,480
Speaker 3: under the radar a bit, but he ended up putting

1249
00:53:32,560 --> 00:53:35,560
Speaker 3: up really good numbers. Slow start to his career because

1250
00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:37,440
Speaker 3: of injuries, but then he got it going.

1251
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:40,040
Speaker 1: Do you liking Trayvon Walker to that a little bit.

1252
00:53:40,080 --> 00:53:42,520
Speaker 3: He had ten sacks kind of quietly last year while

1253
00:53:42,520 --> 00:53:44,799
Speaker 3: the Jags were having that struggle down the stretch, and

1254
00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:46,839
Speaker 3: now he's got seven and a half and he's on

1255
00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:47,799
Speaker 3: pace to do more.

1256
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Speaker 1: What about Trayvon Walker in year three, Frank.

1257
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Speaker 7: That's a really good comparison. I hadn't thought about him

1258
00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:54,640
Speaker 7: compared to Mario Williams, but he's kind of like it.

1259
00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:56,759
Speaker 7: He's a very big end. He's not one of these

1260
00:53:56,800 --> 00:54:01,600
Speaker 7: little rush guys like Mario. He's eighty ninety. He's a big,

1261
00:54:01,640 --> 00:54:04,239
Speaker 7: physical guy. That's a great comparison. He had a really

1262
00:54:04,239 --> 00:54:06,719
Speaker 7: good year last year. It was overshadowed because Josh Hines

1263
00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:08,719
Speaker 7: Allen on the other side had seventeen and a half sacked.

1264
00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:10,560
Speaker 7: It was one of the best pass puss in the league.

1265
00:54:10,680 --> 00:54:13,080
Speaker 7: So I'm not sure people noticed Travon's ten This year

1266
00:54:13,080 --> 00:54:15,879
Speaker 7: he got seven and a half. He's played well, Mark,

1267
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:18,480
Speaker 7: The Jaggs have to play better at defensive tackle. I

1268
00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:20,680
Speaker 7: think that's the thing that struggled. That's the thing how

1269
00:54:20,719 --> 00:54:24,120
Speaker 7: the team you're seeing on on film. If you can't

1270
00:54:24,120 --> 00:54:26,359
Speaker 7: if you don't have good work at defensive tackle, if

1271
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:27,880
Speaker 7: you don't make an impact. If you don't get that

1272
00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:30,440
Speaker 7: middle push well, then you can control the edges, you

1273
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:32,200
Speaker 7: can chip them, you can double team them. And I

1274
00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:35,120
Speaker 7: think both Josh and Travon are seeing that some the

1275
00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:37,399
Speaker 7: tackles haven't played well the interior of the line. Von

1276
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:39,919
Speaker 7: Hamilton was a terrific noseguard and he's trying to fight

1277
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:42,359
Speaker 7: his way back. He had an illness that he's trying

1278
00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:44,440
Speaker 7: to overcome and he just had a tough time overcoming

1279
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:47,320
Speaker 7: it from last year. So the tackles have to play better.

1280
00:54:47,520 --> 00:54:49,040
Speaker 7: If they do, I think you'll see a lot. But

1281
00:54:49,080 --> 00:54:51,080
Speaker 7: I think the edge is particularly Trayvon. He's having a

1282
00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:53,040
Speaker 7: very good Trayvon walk is a good play and the

1283
00:54:53,080 --> 00:54:56,200
Speaker 7: Mario Williams comparison is a really really good one. Built

1284
00:54:56,280 --> 00:54:59,000
Speaker 7: kind of the same, a little coming on a little slower,

1285
00:54:59,080 --> 00:55:00,799
Speaker 7: but it's going to be a very good, really going

1286
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:01,400
Speaker 7: to be a good pro.

1287
00:55:01,719 --> 00:55:03,839
Speaker 3: Frank, give me another player or two that does not

1288
00:55:03,880 --> 00:55:06,560
Speaker 3: get the publicity, but that you want to highlight right

1289
00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:08,040
Speaker 3: here that fans should be aware of.

1290
00:55:08,080 --> 00:55:10,359
Speaker 1: With the Jacksonville Jaguars, I.

1291
00:55:10,280 --> 00:55:13,799
Speaker 7: Think their young players has been good. Ventrem Miller is

1292
00:55:13,840 --> 00:55:16,680
Speaker 7: a backup linebacker. He says He's drafted out of Florida,

1293
00:55:16,719 --> 00:55:18,520
Speaker 7: a fourth round pick a year ago, got hurt, was

1294
00:55:18,520 --> 00:55:20,840
Speaker 7: on IR the whole year. Last year he's had to

1295
00:55:20,840 --> 00:55:23,239
Speaker 7: come in when Foyer Lullikan was banged up a little bit.

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Speaker 7: He joined Devin Lloyd. Those screen now alternated. Those two

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Speaker 7: inside linebacker spots. Park Boy. Ventrol Miller is good. He

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Speaker 7: looks like he shot out of a cannon. He's a

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Speaker 7: very fast downhill linebacker number fifty one. He's had a

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Speaker 7: terrific seasons then. He's been very good. Tank Bigsby, well,

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Speaker 7: I talked about a moment ago, the second year running

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Speaker 7: back out of Auburn, he's been hurt. I hope they

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Speaker 7: have him back. I don't know what that what the

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Speaker 7: injury report is going to say come Sunday. But he's

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Speaker 7: a downhill runner that they really kind of like. You

1306
00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:51,359
Speaker 7: know about Brian Thomas Junior. So most of the guys

1307
00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:53,560
Speaker 7: around here, you have a pretty good idea. I would

1308
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Speaker 7: say Ventrel Miller is a guy that people don't know about.

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Speaker 7: This has been a terristic linebacker and Tank Bigsby when

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Speaker 7: he's healthy and when they run run block is going

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Speaker 7: to be a very good He's explosive. He's got four

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Speaker 7: or five explosives already. Those are runs of better than

1313
00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:07,920
Speaker 7: twenty yards. He's got a couple of fifty plus yard runs.

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Speaker 7: So number four take Bigsby a very good running back

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Speaker 7: when healthy and when he gets some holes to run through.

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Speaker 3: Frank Frangie, Voice of the Jaguars with US Frank, what

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00:56:16,480 --> 00:56:18,759
Speaker 3: was your reaction to what the Titans did to the

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Speaker 3: Texans on Sunday?

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Speaker 7: You know, I was shot. It's been an interesting division,

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Speaker 7: it really. The Texans have been the cream of the

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00:56:26,040 --> 00:56:27,840
Speaker 7: crop of the division every since about the middle of

1322
00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:30,279
Speaker 7: last season. And I think the Texans have a really

1323
00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:33,719
Speaker 7: good team. From afar. It looks like leaking oil a

1324
00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:35,480
Speaker 7: little bit now, you know better than I do, Mark,

1325
00:56:35,640 --> 00:56:37,880
Speaker 7: and every team does that a bit, and so I

1326
00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:40,360
Speaker 7: was very surprised. I think that I don't know what

1327
00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:42,200
Speaker 7: to think of Levis. I've seen him a lot. I

1328
00:56:42,239 --> 00:56:44,399
Speaker 7: know the Titans love him. They've got a first year

1329
00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:46,800
Speaker 7: coach there. They believe they've got something, and when Levis

1330
00:56:46,840 --> 00:56:48,439
Speaker 7: is good, they're going to have a pretty good team there.

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Speaker 7: I was surprised. I don't think the Texans are going

1332
00:56:51,160 --> 00:56:52,919
Speaker 7: to continue to struggle. I think they're going to snap

1333
00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:55,279
Speaker 7: out of that losing digs for the years affected. And

1334
00:56:55,400 --> 00:56:57,799
Speaker 7: again you know this better than I from Afar, that

1335
00:56:57,800 --> 00:57:00,239
Speaker 7: would be my take. The receivers have been in and

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Speaker 7: out of the lineup when all three of those guys

1337
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Speaker 7: were there, When all three of those receivers were there,

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Speaker 7: that might it's the fastest core in the league and

1339
00:57:07,719 --> 00:57:09,400
Speaker 7: might have been the best core in the league, but

1340
00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:11,080
Speaker 7: in and out of the lineup, and I know you

1341
00:57:11,080 --> 00:57:13,360
Speaker 7: guys have all dealt with that. DJ Stroud has got

1342
00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:15,359
Speaker 7: that sophomore thing where people kind of know him now

1343
00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:17,080
Speaker 7: a little bit, and I think that that happens every

1344
00:57:17,120 --> 00:57:20,400
Speaker 7: second year quarterback. So I was surprised by that result,

1345
00:57:20,480 --> 00:57:22,840
Speaker 7: and I'm surprised that Texans have struggled a little bit.

1346
00:57:23,200 --> 00:57:24,680
Speaker 7: But I think the Texans have a good team. I

1347
00:57:24,720 --> 00:57:26,560
Speaker 7: still think they're the cream of the crop in the

1348
00:57:26,600 --> 00:57:29,680
Speaker 7: division until they're not, and so I expect the Texans

1349
00:57:29,680 --> 00:57:31,520
Speaker 7: to play very well. When you guys get here on Sunday,

1350
00:57:31,520 --> 00:57:32,000
Speaker 7: I really do.

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00:57:32,520 --> 00:57:35,760
Speaker 3: Your reaction to what the Colts have undergone this season.

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00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:37,680
Speaker 1: Frank, you know it's funny.

1353
00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:41,040
Speaker 7: When they got here, the Anthony Richardson stuff was up

1354
00:57:41,040 --> 00:57:42,440
Speaker 7: and then I saw him a lot in college. You

1355
00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:44,000
Speaker 7: know that market. We do a lot of college stuff

1356
00:57:44,040 --> 00:57:46,400
Speaker 7: around here, and I saw him a lot in college.

1357
00:57:46,560 --> 00:57:49,560
Speaker 7: And Ar is a great kid. He's an immense talent,

1358
00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:52,360
Speaker 7: but there was always something there. He was hurt a lot.

1359
00:57:52,760 --> 00:57:55,200
Speaker 7: He would make a magnificent play, then a not so

1360
00:57:55,240 --> 00:57:57,760
Speaker 7: good play only started thirteen. Gave me the college player

1361
00:57:58,240 --> 00:58:00,640
Speaker 7: got to the NFL. Banged up againlast year, as you know,

1362
00:58:01,080 --> 00:58:03,040
Speaker 7: and then it was weird this year, the kind of

1363
00:58:03,040 --> 00:58:04,720
Speaker 7: tapping out the play. He got beat up for that,

1364
00:58:04,800 --> 00:58:07,240
Speaker 7: probably more than he should have. I can tell you this.

1365
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Speaker 7: When Joe Flacco played here, the Jags won the game,

1366
00:58:10,200 --> 00:58:13,080
Speaker 7: but I thought Flacco was better here that day, mark

1367
00:58:13,320 --> 00:58:15,760
Speaker 7: than Anthony Richardson would have been that day, So they

1368
00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:18,680
Speaker 7: went with Flacco. Then he started struggling. So now Ar

1369
00:58:18,760 --> 00:58:20,960
Speaker 7: is back in the lineup, and look they're in it.

1370
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Speaker 7: They're five and seven, the Texans are seven and five.

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Speaker 7: Nobody's sure what to make of the division right now.

1372
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Speaker 7: So I think they've got something in Anthony Richardson. They've

1373
00:58:29,160 --> 00:58:31,200
Speaker 7: got a good young team. I think Shane Sticken's a

1374
00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:34,400
Speaker 7: really good coach. But look, they'll go as Richardson. Everybody

1375
00:58:34,400 --> 00:58:36,000
Speaker 7: goes as the quarterback. Goes in this league, right when

1376
00:58:36,040 --> 00:58:38,560
Speaker 7: your quarterbacks, when Deshaun Watson's playing well, nobody could beat

1377
00:58:38,600 --> 00:58:40,840
Speaker 7: the technive when CJ got it going well. Last year,

1378
00:58:40,960 --> 00:58:43,400
Speaker 7: the Texans win the division. When Trevor's going really well.

1379
00:58:43,400 --> 00:58:45,160
Speaker 7: Here two years ago the Jags win the division. So

1380
00:58:45,160 --> 00:58:47,560
Speaker 7: you go as your quarterback goes. That's where the league's gone,

1381
00:58:47,960 --> 00:58:49,920
Speaker 7: and they'll go as ar goes. But it has been

1382
00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:51,560
Speaker 7: up and down. It's been hard to follow or hard

1383
00:58:51,560 --> 00:58:53,320
Speaker 7: to figure because it's been very up and down.

1384
00:58:53,160 --> 00:58:56,560
Speaker 3: For the Colt Frank Franjie joining us on Texans Radio. Okay,

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00:58:56,560 --> 00:58:58,960
Speaker 3: I know you do cover college football. You talked about it.

1386
00:58:59,120 --> 00:59:02,400
Speaker 3: So your thoughts on where we're at today or this

1387
00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:06,040
Speaker 3: week heading into the weekend with the twelve team playoffs?

1388
00:59:06,080 --> 00:59:08,680
Speaker 3: Are you really enjoying this season? I know you're not

1389
00:59:08,800 --> 00:59:11,320
Speaker 3: enjoying what's going on with the Knowles, but the Gators

1390
00:59:11,320 --> 00:59:13,960
Speaker 3: are coming around lately. But as far as just the

1391
00:59:14,040 --> 00:59:17,200
Speaker 3: macro picture of the playoffs, Frank, you know, I think.

1392
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Speaker 7: They're trying to find their way. So here's what's funny

1393
00:59:20,200 --> 00:59:21,320
Speaker 7: about that. And you're right, we do a lot of

1394
00:59:21,320 --> 00:59:24,680
Speaker 7: college football around here. Everybody wanted to get bigger than four,

1395
00:59:24,720 --> 00:59:27,440
Speaker 7: So they went from four teams to twelve teams. But

1396
00:59:27,520 --> 00:59:30,280
Speaker 7: they did that at the same time the SEC expanded

1397
00:59:30,280 --> 00:59:32,920
Speaker 7: and got better than ever. So what's interesting in the SEC?

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Speaker 7: And obviously you have both Texas and Texas and Texas

1399
00:59:35,480 --> 00:59:37,440
Speaker 7: A and very close to where you are both in

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Speaker 7: the league. What a big game that is that weekend

1401
00:59:39,240 --> 00:59:43,640
Speaker 7: by the way you're playing. But if the league got bigger,

1402
00:59:44,080 --> 00:59:46,720
Speaker 7: the league got harder. The SEC's almost evolved into a

1403
00:59:46,760 --> 00:59:49,480
Speaker 7: mini NFL where no one's going to go undefeated and

1404
00:59:49,560 --> 00:59:51,320
Speaker 7: very few teams are going to go eleven and one,

1405
00:59:51,760 --> 00:59:53,240
Speaker 7: so it's going to be hard to make that twelve

1406
00:59:53,240 --> 00:59:56,240
Speaker 7: team field. So as you look up, Indiana's going to

1407
00:59:56,240 --> 00:59:58,000
Speaker 7: be eleven and one and in the field right Well,

1408
00:59:58,040 --> 01:00:01,960
Speaker 7: nobody believes Indiana would beat Texas, Georgia or even LSU

1409
01:00:02,120 --> 01:00:04,280
Speaker 7: or Tennessee, but they're going to be in the field,

1410
01:00:04,560 --> 01:00:06,280
Speaker 7: and some of those SEC teams are not going to

1411
01:00:06,320 --> 01:00:07,840
Speaker 7: make it. So I think that's got to play out.

1412
01:00:08,120 --> 01:00:09,920
Speaker 7: Here's where I think it's going to land, believe it

1413
01:00:10,040 --> 01:00:12,480
Speaker 7: or not. As much as everybody wanted to get to

1414
01:00:12,520 --> 01:00:15,640
Speaker 7: eight or twelve, it's probably gonna ultimately land at sixteen

1415
01:00:15,880 --> 01:00:18,240
Speaker 7: because right now You've got too many teams that could

1416
01:00:18,240 --> 01:00:20,520
Speaker 7: beat the top twelve teams left out, So I think

1417
01:00:20,520 --> 01:00:22,000
Speaker 7: that's where it's going to land. I loved it though

1418
01:00:22,120 --> 01:00:25,200
Speaker 7: it keeps teams in play. I think a lot of

1419
01:00:25,200 --> 01:00:27,120
Speaker 7: the mystery's gone out of it now if there's no

1420
01:00:27,120 --> 01:00:29,520
Speaker 7: more upsets. I think we kind of know the twelve teams.

1421
01:00:29,600 --> 01:00:31,520
Speaker 7: But you think Greg Sankee's going to stand for the

1422
01:00:31,520 --> 01:00:33,840
Speaker 7: fact that four big ten and three secs are in. No,

1423
01:00:33,960 --> 01:00:35,760
Speaker 7: he's not going to stand for it. So you'll see

1424
01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:37,800
Speaker 7: more changes in the years to come. But Mark, I

1425
01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:39,160
Speaker 7: think it's been a fun year. I really do. In

1426
01:00:39,160 --> 01:00:41,200
Speaker 7: the Canes, by the way, who you call their game

1427
01:00:41,280 --> 01:00:43,280
Speaker 7: for many years? Or they've got a good team, best

1428
01:00:43,280 --> 01:00:45,439
Speaker 7: Miami team they've had in many, many years. So it's

1429
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Speaker 7: been a fun college football season. It really has.

1430
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Speaker 1: All Right.

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01:00:47,920 --> 01:00:50,360
Speaker 3: One more for you, Frank, I'm on a national campaign

1432
01:00:50,440 --> 01:00:52,920
Speaker 3: to replace Thanksgiving turkey with brisket.

1433
01:00:53,040 --> 01:00:53,560
Speaker 1: Are you in?

1434
01:00:57,000 --> 01:00:59,080
Speaker 7: You know what? First of all, you're the perfect guy

1435
01:00:59,120 --> 01:01:00,920
Speaker 7: to lead that. If I could dominate one guy to

1436
01:01:01,000 --> 01:01:03,040
Speaker 7: lead that, it would be VanderMeer. Okay, So I love

1437
01:01:03,080 --> 01:01:05,000
Speaker 7: the fact that you're leading the charge. Yes, I'm in.

1438
01:01:05,040 --> 01:01:07,720
Speaker 7: I don't like turkey. It's on American to say you

1439
01:01:07,720 --> 01:01:10,720
Speaker 7: don't like turkey. I like the dressing. I'm a dressing guy,

1440
01:01:11,280 --> 01:01:14,200
Speaker 7: the stuffing guy. I don't like turkey. So if you

1441
01:01:14,240 --> 01:01:16,440
Speaker 7: need any help, Mark, I'm not going to contribute a

1442
01:01:16,440 --> 01:01:20,000
Speaker 7: whole lot financially to it, but I will contribute emotionally.

1443
01:01:20,240 --> 01:01:22,440
Speaker 7: I'm here emotionally for you and I will support you

1444
01:01:22,480 --> 01:01:23,479
Speaker 7: in that. You've got my work.

1445
01:01:23,760 --> 01:01:26,800
Speaker 3: All we need is airtime, Frank. Airtime can get this done.

1446
01:01:26,840 --> 01:01:30,120
Speaker 3: People get excited over brisket. Nobody gets excited about turkey.

1447
01:01:30,160 --> 01:01:32,320
Speaker 3: I'd get excited about going over to somebody's house for

1448
01:01:32,320 --> 01:01:33,560
Speaker 3: a brisket.

1449
01:01:33,520 --> 01:01:35,640
Speaker 7: Especially that end cut with all the fat in it.

1450
01:01:36,200 --> 01:01:39,520
Speaker 7: I'm in. Put me down all the airtime you need, Mark,

1451
01:01:39,560 --> 01:01:40,960
Speaker 7: I've got your back led to do it.

1452
01:01:41,040 --> 01:01:43,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, don't come at me with that lean meat. I

1453
01:01:43,160 --> 01:01:46,120
Speaker 3: want the fun meat. Okay, Frank, thanks so much for

1454
01:01:46,240 --> 01:01:48,720
Speaker 3: joining us. We look forward to see it on Sunday,

1455
01:01:48,720 --> 01:01:49,400
Speaker 3: my friend.

1456
01:01:49,200 --> 01:01:51,360
Speaker 7: Mark, always a pleasure. Happy Thanksgiving and see you Sunday.

1457
01:01:51,520 --> 01:01:55,000
Speaker 2: Happy Thanksgiving to you, mister Frangie as well. We'll see

1458
01:01:55,040 --> 01:01:56,120
Speaker 2: you on Sunday.

1459
01:01:56,120 --> 01:01:56,440
Speaker 1: All right.

1460
01:01:56,440 --> 01:01:59,320
Speaker 2: Coming up next is one of our favorite interviews that

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Speaker 2: we have done. With an assistant coach and partially, well

1462
01:02:04,160 --> 01:02:08,280
Speaker 2: actually mostly why is the story that Matt Burke, defensive

1463
01:02:08,320 --> 01:02:11,160
Speaker 2: coordinator for your Houston Texans, tells at the beginning.

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Speaker 1: This is intriguing.

1465
01:02:12,560 --> 01:02:14,360
Speaker 2: You're gonna love this story and it has to do

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Speaker 2: with My Cause, My Cleats that's coming up next on

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Speaker 2: for defensive coordinator Matt Burke to join myself, your host,

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Speaker 2: John Harris Football and a sideline reporter for your Houston

1478
01:02:49,840 --> 01:02:52,840
Speaker 2: Texans and the voice of the Texans, Mark vandermir Now,

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Speaker 2: My Cause My Cleats is coming up.

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Speaker 1: I think it's for us the fifteenth, the.

1481
01:02:58,600 --> 01:03:02,120
Speaker 2: Game against the Miami Dolphin, and I always love that

1482
01:03:02,160 --> 01:03:04,280
Speaker 2: game because I love to see all the different causes.

1483
01:03:04,920 --> 01:03:06,480
Speaker 2: If you guys have followed me over the years, you

1484
01:03:06,560 --> 01:03:10,520
Speaker 2: know that Mine is Autism Speaks. I absolutely love that

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Speaker 2: organization for what it does for young people with autism

1486
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Speaker 2: and families that deal with individuals on the spectrum. And

1487
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Speaker 2: so Mine is Autism Speaks. Matt Burks is a little different.

1488
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Speaker 2: And so when Matt walked intoday and you'll hear Mark

1489
01:03:29,800 --> 01:03:31,720
Speaker 2: Vinier talk about this a little bit more. But Matt

1490
01:03:31,760 --> 01:03:35,280
Speaker 2: walked in, there was a box right here by the

1491
01:03:35,360 --> 01:03:36,280
Speaker 2: chair that he sits.

1492
01:03:36,080 --> 01:03:37,040
Speaker 1: In to do the interview.

1493
01:03:37,680 --> 01:03:39,560
Speaker 2: And of course when I walked in, there's nobody in here,

1494
01:03:39,600 --> 01:03:40,760
Speaker 2: and I was like, Oh, it's this box for me.

1495
01:03:40,800 --> 01:03:42,440
Speaker 2: I didn't think so, but I was like, ah, let

1496
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Speaker 2: me check. And I looked inside. I was like, no,

1497
01:03:44,080 --> 01:03:45,720
Speaker 2: it's not for me, and I knew it was in

1498
01:03:45,800 --> 01:03:51,320
Speaker 2: my cause Mike Cleat's situation. But the story behind it

1499
01:03:51,360 --> 01:03:53,080
Speaker 2: is absolutely fantastic.

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Speaker 1: You will get that with me and Mark right now.

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01:03:57,040 --> 01:04:00,360
Speaker 3: In studio with us. It's defensive coordinator, Matt Burr coach.

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01:04:00,360 --> 01:04:01,120
Speaker 3: How's it going today?

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01:04:01,160 --> 01:04:01,560
Speaker 1: It's great.

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01:04:01,560 --> 01:04:02,200
Speaker 5: How are you guys?

1505
01:04:02,280 --> 01:04:03,480
Speaker 1: Great? Happy Thanksgiving?

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01:04:03,520 --> 01:04:04,040
Speaker 5: Same to you.

1507
01:04:04,240 --> 01:04:06,800
Speaker 3: I know it's a busy week always in the NFL,

1508
01:04:06,880 --> 01:04:08,960
Speaker 3: but with Thanksgiving, it changes things a little bit. How

1509
01:04:09,000 --> 01:04:11,960
Speaker 3: does it affect things preparation in your vision?

1510
01:04:12,480 --> 01:04:14,920
Speaker 8: I just really, I mean, obviously there's a few more

1511
01:04:14,960 --> 01:04:17,080
Speaker 8: distractions during the week, and a lot of guys have

1512
01:04:17,160 --> 01:04:21,520
Speaker 8: family in town, and Demko's obviously really accombinating for family things.

1513
01:04:21,560 --> 01:04:22,720
Speaker 5: So just adjusting our schedule a.

1514
01:04:22,720 --> 01:04:26,600
Speaker 8: Little bit tomorrow to make sure we can spend some

1515
01:04:26,640 --> 01:04:27,480
Speaker 8: time with those people.

1516
01:04:27,520 --> 01:04:29,520
Speaker 5: But work still got to get done.

1517
01:04:29,560 --> 01:04:30,720
Speaker 8: So at the end of the day, we're just we're

1518
01:04:30,760 --> 01:04:33,320
Speaker 8: just kind of readjusting and squeezing in some different time frames.

1519
01:04:33,840 --> 01:04:37,560
Speaker 2: Let's address the eight hundred pound gorilla in the room. Oh,

1520
01:04:38,280 --> 01:04:41,120
Speaker 2: we'll get to that in a second. Okay, dart with

1521
01:04:41,240 --> 01:04:44,480
Speaker 2: Beat Brown, All right, this past week, go ahead and gloat.

1522
01:04:44,480 --> 01:04:46,000
Speaker 2: You got thirty seconds to glove go.

1523
01:04:46,120 --> 01:04:49,520
Speaker 8: Beat first of all beats probably an understatement. Yes, fifty

1524
01:04:49,520 --> 01:04:50,240
Speaker 8: six we hung up.

1525
01:04:50,320 --> 01:04:52,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know, fifty six It was not good,

1526
01:04:53,160 --> 01:04:53,760
Speaker 1: not a good thing.

1527
01:04:53,720 --> 01:04:56,160
Speaker 8: And bought us to share the title of the league title.

1528
01:04:56,240 --> 01:05:00,000
Speaker 8: So I think that's three in a row for the Green. Yeah, someday, someday.

1529
01:04:59,720 --> 01:05:00,640
Speaker 1: John, someday.

1530
01:05:00,840 --> 01:05:02,960
Speaker 2: I mean, a man could dream. It's been since I

1531
01:05:02,960 --> 01:05:04,880
Speaker 2: think two thousand and five, maybe for us.

1532
01:05:04,960 --> 01:05:06,840
Speaker 1: So do they play this weekend or is it done?

1533
01:05:06,920 --> 01:05:09,120
Speaker 5: That's it. That's over a ten game schedule.

1534
01:05:09,480 --> 01:05:12,360
Speaker 8: They literally start the Saturday before Thanksgiving and work backwards

1535
01:05:12,360 --> 01:05:13,600
Speaker 8: and no buys ten straight.

1536
01:05:14,400 --> 01:05:14,760
Speaker 1: That's it.

1537
01:05:14,760 --> 01:05:15,160
Speaker 9: It's over.

1538
01:05:15,240 --> 01:05:17,120
Speaker 2: Wow, where they've done it the way they will always

1539
01:05:17,120 --> 01:05:20,400
Speaker 2: do it. Now let's address the real eight hundred pound.

1540
01:05:20,200 --> 01:05:23,040
Speaker 1: Gorilla in the room and that are.

1541
01:05:22,880 --> 01:05:25,040
Speaker 2: These beautiful You see how I did that? That you

1542
01:05:25,120 --> 01:05:29,160
Speaker 2: learn at ivery think schools. We have your my cause, Mike. Yeah,

1543
01:05:29,240 --> 01:05:31,880
Speaker 2: these are freaking awesome, by the way. Cool the Diana

1544
01:05:31,880 --> 01:05:35,320
Speaker 2: Fossey Gorilla Fund International. Now, we had a feeling when

1545
01:05:35,360 --> 01:05:38,160
Speaker 2: these were sitting in here that there was a story

1546
01:05:38,200 --> 01:05:40,520
Speaker 2: in The very first words out of your mouth were, well,

1547
01:05:40,520 --> 01:05:43,600
Speaker 2: there's a story always, So let's get a story with

1548
01:05:43,640 --> 01:05:46,960
Speaker 2: First of all, why why this foundation? And what do

1549
01:05:46,960 --> 01:05:47,680
Speaker 2: you think about the kicks?

1550
01:05:47,840 --> 01:05:50,400
Speaker 5: Kicks are sweet? Man, I like them, great job. I

1551
01:05:50,480 --> 01:05:51,919
Speaker 5: was appreciative. Honestly, this is cool.

1552
01:05:51,920 --> 01:05:53,320
Speaker 8: This is like the first team I've been on that

1553
01:05:53,520 --> 01:05:56,040
Speaker 8: uh kind of lets coaches participate in and helps us

1554
01:05:56,040 --> 01:05:58,320
Speaker 8: out with this stuff. So that's that's pretty sweet. I'm

1555
01:05:58,320 --> 01:06:03,600
Speaker 8: appreciated the organization for that. But my wife and I

1556
01:06:03,600 --> 01:06:07,600
Speaker 8: got engaged in Uganda hiking with gorillas.

1557
01:06:07,800 --> 01:06:08,320
Speaker 1: Oh nice.

1558
01:06:08,560 --> 01:06:12,320
Speaker 8: So we were on a trip over there and there's

1559
01:06:12,920 --> 01:06:15,840
Speaker 8: it's actually at the time there were only this was

1560
01:06:16,240 --> 01:06:18,120
Speaker 8: however many years ago that was, but there were only

1561
01:06:18,120 --> 01:06:21,960
Speaker 8: about eight hundred mountain gorillas in the wild still in

1562
01:06:22,000 --> 01:06:23,400
Speaker 8: the eighties. It was down like it was like two

1563
01:06:23,520 --> 01:06:28,040
Speaker 8: hundred and fifty. We left obviously in dangered species, and

1564
01:06:28,080 --> 01:06:29,760
Speaker 8: so it's obviously near and dear to us, like we

1565
01:06:29,960 --> 01:06:32,240
Speaker 8: got engaged over there like that just obviously a big

1566
01:06:32,280 --> 01:06:34,760
Speaker 8: moment in our lives and was a huge experience for

1567
01:06:34,880 --> 01:06:37,000
Speaker 8: us besides the besides an engagement part, like just being

1568
01:06:37,040 --> 01:06:39,600
Speaker 8: around it. We spent three days where you hike out

1569
01:06:39,640 --> 01:06:43,800
Speaker 8: into the Bewindy impenetrable forest. There as a national park

1570
01:06:43,800 --> 01:06:48,560
Speaker 8: there right in the Rwanda you Ganda border, and you

1571
01:06:48,600 --> 01:06:50,560
Speaker 8: can kind of track the gorillas and see them. I mean,

1572
01:06:50,600 --> 01:06:54,720
Speaker 8: we were ten feet from from gorilla pods, which is

1573
01:06:54,760 --> 01:06:58,280
Speaker 8: really really cool experience. So the fund is one of

1574
01:06:58,320 --> 01:07:01,800
Speaker 8: the ones that we actually give to reg annually that

1575
01:07:01,960 --> 01:07:05,200
Speaker 8: just continues to protect the environment and protect the habitat,

1576
01:07:05,280 --> 01:07:08,480
Speaker 8: preserve poaching still that goes on there and stuff. And

1577
01:07:08,520 --> 01:07:12,600
Speaker 8: just like I said, probably in the last call, it

1578
01:07:12,640 --> 01:07:16,720
Speaker 8: thirty forty years. I mean, they've almost like probably quadrupled

1579
01:07:16,760 --> 01:07:20,640
Speaker 8: the population of Mounta grillas in the wild. So it just, uh,

1580
01:07:21,120 --> 01:07:23,440
Speaker 8: it's just part of that process to help continue preserve

1581
01:07:23,480 --> 01:07:26,760
Speaker 8: those environments. Obviously even now with just the the forests

1582
01:07:26,760 --> 01:07:30,200
Speaker 8: and stuff that their their habitats are getting affected and stuff.

1583
01:07:30,240 --> 01:07:33,080
Speaker 8: So and then obviously we have a personal connection to

1584
01:07:33,120 --> 01:07:36,000
Speaker 8: the area and to the animals. So yeah, that's kind

1585
01:07:36,000 --> 01:07:38,800
Speaker 8: of where that started. So that's cool, that'll be fun.

1586
01:07:38,920 --> 01:07:42,520
Speaker 3: So when Lindsay Fox, our pr goddess, informed me that

1587
01:07:42,800 --> 01:07:46,520
Speaker 3: the Coach Burke Cause was the Diane Fossey Gorilla Foundation,

1588
01:07:46,800 --> 01:07:50,240
Speaker 3: I went full Sigourney Weaver. Gorilla's in the Miss nineteen

1589
01:07:50,280 --> 01:07:52,480
Speaker 3: eighty eight. I've seen the movie, so that's how I'm

1590
01:07:52,520 --> 01:07:54,920
Speaker 3: familiar with and I read up on Diane foss after

1591
01:07:54,960 --> 01:07:57,240
Speaker 3: seeing the movie, and I saw it again relatively recently

1592
01:07:57,280 --> 01:07:57,640
Speaker 3: within the.

1593
01:07:57,680 --> 01:07:58,600
Speaker 1: Last year and a half.

1594
01:07:58,760 --> 01:08:01,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, did that movie have a lot to do with

1595
01:08:01,280 --> 01:08:04,000
Speaker 3: the support really, because it's great publicity at the time

1596
01:08:04,160 --> 01:08:06,680
Speaker 3: in the eighties to alert everybody to this.

1597
01:08:06,800 --> 01:08:10,520
Speaker 8: Absolutely like her work over there and obviously like spending

1598
01:08:10,520 --> 01:08:12,360
Speaker 8: time and I think she was a little bit more

1599
01:08:12,400 --> 01:08:14,200
Speaker 8: focused in on the Rwanda side of things. It's the

1600
01:08:14,200 --> 01:08:16,840
Speaker 8: borders right there, and so like I think ninety percent

1601
01:08:16,840 --> 01:08:19,360
Speaker 8: of the world's gorilla population is in that one region

1602
01:08:20,200 --> 01:08:22,160
Speaker 8: and those there's like a mountain range that runs through there.

1603
01:08:22,200 --> 01:08:27,280
Speaker 8: So obviously her like sort of recognition internationally like allowed

1604
01:08:27,280 --> 01:08:29,519
Speaker 8: her to start this and and sort of like continue

1605
01:08:29,520 --> 01:08:31,960
Speaker 8: to preserve the animals. So it's been cool, like just

1606
01:08:31,960 --> 01:08:34,559
Speaker 8: to see them, even like I said, my ways gonna

1607
01:08:34,600 --> 01:08:38,120
Speaker 8: kill me, I gauged. I think what year that was,

1608
01:08:38,680 --> 01:08:41,720
Speaker 8: seventeen maybe, so like even the last seven years, I

1609
01:08:41,720 --> 01:08:45,360
Speaker 8: think it's it's added another like almost two hundred gorillas

1610
01:08:45,360 --> 01:08:47,040
Speaker 8: have been added into the wild population.

1611
01:08:47,560 --> 01:08:51,519
Speaker 2: So did you go there, I mean obviously were you

1612
01:08:51,560 --> 01:08:54,599
Speaker 2: aware at the time or was this something that when

1613
01:08:54,640 --> 01:08:57,639
Speaker 2: you got there you were made aware of that situation.

1614
01:08:57,720 --> 01:08:59,600
Speaker 2: Did you go there with that thought in mind, or

1615
01:08:59,640 --> 01:09:01,759
Speaker 2: did you go they're just want to have a great

1616
01:09:02,240 --> 01:09:04,880
Speaker 2: situation and then oh, man, look at this, this is

1617
01:09:04,920 --> 01:09:06,960
Speaker 2: something that we had discovered while we were there.

1618
01:09:07,040 --> 01:09:09,080
Speaker 8: No, we went specifically for this, like you have to

1619
01:09:09,160 --> 01:09:12,759
Speaker 8: kind of plan ahead. They because gorillas are so close

1620
01:09:12,880 --> 01:09:16,880
Speaker 8: to like humans, like a lot of the diseases, the

1621
01:09:16,960 --> 01:09:19,040
Speaker 8: same diseases affect them and things, so they actually limit

1622
01:09:19,080 --> 01:09:21,280
Speaker 8: the exposure, so you kind of have to buy almost

1623
01:09:21,280 --> 01:09:23,479
Speaker 8: like lottery tickets to like actually like go on some

1624
01:09:23,520 --> 01:09:25,960
Speaker 8: of these tracks. They try to limit the number of

1625
01:09:26,680 --> 01:09:29,000
Speaker 8: humans that actually get up and and things like that,

1626
01:09:29,040 --> 01:09:30,479
Speaker 8: so you have to kind of plan ahead to like

1627
01:09:30,479 --> 01:09:31,880
Speaker 8: actually get a get a chance to do this.

1628
01:09:31,920 --> 01:09:33,080
Speaker 5: So that was our goal.

1629
01:09:33,120 --> 01:09:35,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was cool when you got engaged on the trip.

1630
01:09:35,400 --> 01:09:39,240
Speaker 3: Was that so you would win every engagement story.

1631
01:09:39,320 --> 01:09:41,000
Speaker 1: I've got right here?

1632
01:09:41,240 --> 01:09:42,760
Speaker 5: No, I think this the clock was ticket.

1633
01:09:42,800 --> 01:09:44,840
Speaker 8: We've been danged for about five years already, so I

1634
01:09:44,840 --> 01:09:46,320
Speaker 8: had to do it at some point. But no, we

1635
01:09:46,479 --> 01:09:48,720
Speaker 8: just we travel a lot. That's like been part of

1636
01:09:48,760 --> 01:09:50,639
Speaker 8: that was part of our relationship still is to this day,

1637
01:09:50,760 --> 01:09:52,759
Speaker 8: like both of us to a lot of international travel

1638
01:09:52,800 --> 01:09:54,439
Speaker 8: and and so it just kind of felt like the

1639
01:09:54,520 --> 01:09:55,360
Speaker 8: right right thing to do.

1640
01:09:55,720 --> 01:10:01,240
Speaker 2: Speaking of marriage, your work, marriage with obviously the defense

1641
01:10:01,280 --> 01:10:04,200
Speaker 2: you're being married to the defense just your thoughts thus far, coach,

1642
01:10:04,280 --> 01:10:07,519
Speaker 2: because the last couple of games, especially at home, we've

1643
01:10:07,520 --> 01:10:11,720
Speaker 2: had situations where five interceptions, eight sacks. I mean, you're

1644
01:10:11,760 --> 01:10:13,840
Speaker 2: doing stuff that we're looking up during the third or

1645
01:10:13,880 --> 01:10:15,799
Speaker 2: fourth quarter of a game, going, hey, what's the record

1646
01:10:15,840 --> 01:10:18,320
Speaker 2: for sacks in a game, Well, how many interceptions? What's

1647
01:10:18,360 --> 01:10:20,639
Speaker 2: our record for interceptions? We're doing things that the Texans

1648
01:10:20,680 --> 01:10:23,840
Speaker 2: have never done before. Defensively, how do you kind of

1649
01:10:23,880 --> 01:10:26,080
Speaker 2: feel about what the unit has been able to do lately.

1650
01:10:26,560 --> 01:10:28,519
Speaker 8: Yeah, obviously there's a lot of a lot of good things,

1651
01:10:29,120 --> 01:10:32,760
Speaker 8: all those things stats and I would say, you know,

1652
01:10:33,720 --> 01:10:35,040
Speaker 8: we have dynamic playmakers.

1653
01:10:35,160 --> 01:10:35,479
Speaker 5: We do.

1654
01:10:35,600 --> 01:10:38,519
Speaker 8: We have good players, and there's explosive talent on the board.

1655
01:10:38,560 --> 01:10:41,840
Speaker 8: And I think, really and really, the messaging this week

1656
01:10:41,880 --> 01:10:45,320
Speaker 8: has been like that's all well and good and being

1657
01:10:45,320 --> 01:10:48,000
Speaker 8: an explosive defense, and everyone talks about explosive offense.

1658
01:10:48,040 --> 01:10:49,680
Speaker 5: I look at us as an explosive.

1659
01:10:49,240 --> 01:10:52,439
Speaker 8: Defense and the ability to create big plays and sacks

1660
01:10:52,439 --> 01:10:54,680
Speaker 8: and we've had a touchdown last two games, and the

1661
01:10:54,720 --> 01:10:59,400
Speaker 8: turnovers and all those things. But you know, there's still

1662
01:10:59,439 --> 01:11:01,840
Speaker 8: a little bit of inconsistency in the play and play

1663
01:11:01,840 --> 01:11:04,720
Speaker 8: out execution of your job, and so that can either

1664
01:11:04,760 --> 01:11:07,160
Speaker 8: carry so far or can mass things or that's when

1665
01:11:07,680 --> 01:11:09,559
Speaker 8: to me, that's when the results are a little up

1666
01:11:09,600 --> 01:11:12,320
Speaker 8: and down, right, when you have to cut through and say,

1667
01:11:12,360 --> 01:11:15,400
Speaker 8: hey man, we have to be able to execute consistently,

1668
01:11:15,439 --> 01:11:17,599
Speaker 8: playing and play out within the details of your job

1669
01:11:17,680 --> 01:11:20,719
Speaker 8: or whatever your responsibility is and if that's missing, then

1670
01:11:21,040 --> 01:11:23,800
Speaker 8: the big plays happened. But that fluctuates, right, and then

1671
01:11:24,080 --> 01:11:25,960
Speaker 8: you're giving up big plays all sort of stuff. So

1672
01:11:26,320 --> 01:11:29,160
Speaker 8: I think our messaging, especially coming off last week, is like, hey,

1673
01:11:29,160 --> 01:11:31,960
Speaker 8: we've got like great things and we wish we could

1674
01:11:32,000 --> 01:11:34,760
Speaker 8: be celebrating those things more. I mean, Daniel Hunter had

1675
01:11:34,760 --> 01:11:36,720
Speaker 8: an unbelievable game last week, you know what I mean,

1676
01:11:36,760 --> 01:11:39,559
Speaker 8: with three sacks and five TFLs. But we're not talking

1677
01:11:39,560 --> 01:11:42,400
Speaker 8: about that because we lost and because and why did

1678
01:11:42,400 --> 01:11:44,920
Speaker 8: that happen? And so I think the messaging has been, hey,

1679
01:11:44,920 --> 01:11:48,760
Speaker 8: we need to work on the consistency level of execution

1680
01:11:49,040 --> 01:11:51,200
Speaker 8: play and play out. I know Demico talked about focus

1681
01:11:51,280 --> 01:11:53,920
Speaker 8: or in the week and saying like, hey, this play,

1682
01:11:53,960 --> 01:11:57,200
Speaker 8: what's my responsibility like hyper focus on this and when

1683
01:11:57,240 --> 01:11:59,160
Speaker 8: you do that and the consistency level comes. Now the

1684
01:11:59,200 --> 01:12:01,880
Speaker 8: talent and the explos and those big plays are leading

1685
01:12:01,880 --> 01:12:02,679
Speaker 8: to bigger results.

1686
01:12:03,160 --> 01:12:06,640
Speaker 3: So what about facing Trevor Lawrence possibly most likely and

1687
01:12:06,680 --> 01:12:09,040
Speaker 3: the Jacksonville Jaguars whatever they put on the field, because

1688
01:12:09,080 --> 01:12:11,400
Speaker 3: they do have explosive playmakers. They haven't always done it

1689
01:12:11,400 --> 01:12:13,240
Speaker 3: this year, but they're capable of doing, no.

1690
01:12:13,160 --> 01:12:15,000
Speaker 5: Doubt, no doubt. I mean, I think it's the same thing.

1691
01:12:15,040 --> 01:12:17,559
Speaker 8: I mean, two good running backs, a great tight end,

1692
01:12:17,600 --> 01:12:20,639
Speaker 8: a great receiver. I mean, and yeah, they're starting quarterback.

1693
01:12:20,640 --> 01:12:22,599
Speaker 8: We're assuming coming back. We'll see how that plays out.

1694
01:12:22,600 --> 01:12:25,800
Speaker 8: But you know it's a division game and on the

1695
01:12:25,880 --> 01:12:28,040
Speaker 8: road again, so I mean all those things like it's

1696
01:12:28,160 --> 01:12:30,559
Speaker 8: it's it's gonna take our best effort. And I think

1697
01:12:30,880 --> 01:12:33,320
Speaker 8: again we're starting with hey man, like, we got to

1698
01:12:33,360 --> 01:12:35,800
Speaker 8: do it playing and play out and we can't. We

1699
01:12:35,840 --> 01:12:37,920
Speaker 8: can't slip all my bad There's there's not a week

1700
01:12:37,960 --> 01:12:39,439
Speaker 8: for my bads. I mean, they have a lot of

1701
01:12:39,439 --> 01:12:42,880
Speaker 8: talent and a lot of capability of creating plays on you.

1702
01:12:42,960 --> 01:12:46,080
Speaker 8: So hopefully we can go down and show really what

1703
01:12:46,600 --> 01:12:48,799
Speaker 8: what improvements we've made going through this process.

1704
01:12:49,120 --> 01:12:52,439
Speaker 2: Court you mentioned Danil the last two games. It feels

1705
01:12:52,479 --> 01:12:54,559
Speaker 2: like there are things that he's doing on a field

1706
01:12:54,560 --> 01:12:56,720
Speaker 2: where if you're watching a film, you got to a

1707
01:12:56,760 --> 01:12:58,960
Speaker 2: little quicker, You're like, what what did I do?

1708
01:12:59,080 --> 01:12:59,479
Speaker 1: What am I?

1709
01:13:00,080 --> 01:13:03,320
Speaker 2: Holy cow? What did he just do to get to

1710
01:13:03,360 --> 01:13:06,080
Speaker 2: the quarterback here? It feels like he's hitting a stride

1711
01:13:06,120 --> 01:13:07,840
Speaker 2: that I don't even know that he hit.

1712
01:13:07,920 --> 01:13:08,720
Speaker 1: Minnesota.

1713
01:13:08,840 --> 01:13:10,760
Speaker 2: What's been kind of the biggest thing for him to

1714
01:13:10,840 --> 01:13:12,439
Speaker 2: kind of get to this level, because it feels like

1715
01:13:12,439 --> 01:13:13,840
Speaker 2: he's played at a high level all year.

1716
01:13:14,120 --> 01:13:15,640
Speaker 1: Last two weeks, it's almost like he went to a

1717
01:13:15,680 --> 01:13:16,360
Speaker 1: different level.

1718
01:13:16,479 --> 01:13:16,799
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1719
01:13:16,880 --> 01:13:20,840
Speaker 8: Yeah, he's on a heater for sure. I don't know, man,

1720
01:13:20,960 --> 01:13:23,160
Speaker 8: Like I do think he's kind of just growing into it.

1721
01:13:23,200 --> 01:13:24,439
Speaker 8: You know, we all I say this a lot.

1722
01:13:24,560 --> 01:13:25,160
Speaker 5: Man, It's.

1723
01:13:26,640 --> 01:13:28,639
Speaker 8: It's a different system off, it's it's a different style

1724
01:13:28,840 --> 01:13:30,719
Speaker 8: of kind of how we how we play and preach

1725
01:13:30,760 --> 01:13:32,840
Speaker 8: things here and it and and even though when he's

1726
01:13:32,880 --> 01:13:35,320
Speaker 8: a great player and he is, like, it still takes

1727
01:13:35,360 --> 01:13:38,120
Speaker 8: some growth and some time to really acclimate to to

1728
01:13:38,280 --> 01:13:40,479
Speaker 8: our our system and our style. And so I think

1729
01:13:41,280 --> 01:13:44,519
Speaker 8: he's just getting more and more comfortable within that. And

1730
01:13:44,560 --> 01:13:47,120
Speaker 8: so the sort of like you know, for anyone, not

1731
01:13:47,200 --> 01:13:49,760
Speaker 8: just him, like when you're learning something new, like the

1732
01:13:49,840 --> 01:13:53,439
Speaker 8: hesitation and the uncertainty, like obviously the more reps you get,

1733
01:13:53,479 --> 01:13:56,400
Speaker 8: that part's going away. And again now he's just he's

1734
01:13:56,479 --> 01:13:58,320
Speaker 8: such a he's like in a flow state right now,

1735
01:13:58,360 --> 01:14:00,799
Speaker 8: and it's just it's just happening naturally. He's not thinking,

1736
01:14:01,360 --> 01:14:03,960
Speaker 8: he's just really out there just playing and reacting to

1737
01:14:04,000 --> 01:14:05,920
Speaker 8: what he's seeing. So he's just to me, it's been

1738
01:14:05,960 --> 01:14:07,880
Speaker 8: a little bit like more he's playing with a little more

1739
01:14:07,880 --> 01:14:11,360
Speaker 8: freedom almost mentally, because he's just not I think he's

1740
01:14:11,439 --> 01:14:12,640
Speaker 8: kind of he's got it.

1741
01:14:12,640 --> 01:14:16,480
Speaker 5: It kind of clicked for him and yeah.

1742
01:14:16,720 --> 01:14:18,599
Speaker 1: Players getting it in. Yeah, it's kind of in that area.

1743
01:14:18,680 --> 01:14:21,479
Speaker 8: Yes, I think he sure has been, so I hope

1744
01:14:21,479 --> 01:14:23,160
Speaker 8: he stays that way for a couple of months.

1745
01:14:23,240 --> 01:14:25,559
Speaker 3: All right, one more for a very important question here.

1746
01:14:25,600 --> 01:14:28,679
Speaker 3: I asked to coach this and Nick Cassario and Eric Murray,

1747
01:14:28,680 --> 01:14:30,080
Speaker 3: we had him in here yesterday.

1748
01:14:30,880 --> 01:14:32,719
Speaker 1: It's Thanksgiving company right there.

1749
01:14:32,840 --> 01:14:37,080
Speaker 3: And look, you have to replace turkey on the Thanksgiving table,

1750
01:14:37,240 --> 01:14:39,680
Speaker 3: You have to put turkey on waivers and need to

1751
01:14:39,760 --> 01:14:41,920
Speaker 3: replace it on the Thanksgiving roster.

1752
01:14:42,280 --> 01:14:43,600
Speaker 1: What are you going to replace turkey with?

1753
01:14:44,520 --> 01:14:45,360
Speaker 5: Is a protein?

1754
01:14:45,880 --> 01:14:47,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I would assume you're not going to

1755
01:14:47,600 --> 01:14:49,280
Speaker 3: go alfalfa sprouts and stuff.

1756
01:14:50,040 --> 01:14:51,519
Speaker 5: Live on the potatoes and stuffing.

1757
01:14:52,840 --> 01:14:54,479
Speaker 1: I mean I would. I'd love.

1758
01:14:55,680 --> 01:14:59,000
Speaker 8: We always were like a spiral ham side note back

1759
01:14:59,000 --> 01:15:00,760
Speaker 8: in the day. So I feel like that's got some

1760
01:15:00,920 --> 01:15:02,120
Speaker 8: like holiday association.

1761
01:15:02,320 --> 01:15:04,040
Speaker 1: I mean, see you and Tomico think alike.

1762
01:15:04,080 --> 01:15:04,519
Speaker 5: Yeah, just.

1763
01:15:07,280 --> 01:15:09,080
Speaker 1: Go said barbecue.

1764
01:15:09,439 --> 01:15:12,439
Speaker 3: I think did. But just to be politically correct, in Texas.

1765
01:15:12,479 --> 01:15:18,240
Speaker 1: That's exactly what he's doing. He didn't want to, you know, Coach,

1766
01:15:18,280 --> 01:15:19,800
Speaker 1: thanks so much for joining us. Good luck this week.

1767
01:15:19,800 --> 01:15:20,280
Speaker 5: Appreciate it.

1768
01:15:20,320 --> 01:15:21,960
Speaker 1: Guys. Man, I love that dude.

1769
01:15:21,960 --> 01:15:25,280
Speaker 2: He's a great coach, great dude, great man, great great humanitarian.

1770
01:15:25,320 --> 01:15:28,360
Speaker 2: Matt Burke, Devinces coordinator for your Houston Texans. All right,

1771
01:15:28,360 --> 01:15:31,160
Speaker 2: we got one segment left, and you know, Wednesday it

1772
01:15:31,280 --> 01:15:33,599
Speaker 2: is time for in the Lab. So Drew and I

1773
01:15:33,680 --> 01:15:36,400
Speaker 2: had a little a little venting to do, but then

1774
01:15:36,400 --> 01:15:37,880
Speaker 2: we're gonna leave it behind us and we're gonna move

1775
01:15:37,920 --> 01:15:38,680
Speaker 2: on to Jacksonville.

1776
01:15:38,680 --> 01:15:40,120
Speaker 1: That's next on Texans All Access.

1777
01:15:43,240 --> 01:15:44,800
Speaker 2: Weren't one to find a segment of this inedition to

1778
01:15:44,840 --> 01:15:46,840
Speaker 2: Texans All Acts. I appreciate you being with me, John

1779
01:15:46,840 --> 01:15:49,960
Speaker 2: Harris Football on a sideline reporter and one half of

1780
01:15:50,120 --> 01:15:53,120
Speaker 2: the In the Lab crew, my ma Andrew Doherty is

1781
01:15:53,600 --> 01:15:56,280
Speaker 2: the better half. And we had a lot to think

1782
01:15:56,360 --> 01:16:01,559
Speaker 2: and say as we get into this Thanksgiving Eve. Happy

1783
01:16:01,600 --> 01:16:04,080
Speaker 2: Thanksgiving to everybody, because I know I'm gonna probably forget

1784
01:16:04,080 --> 01:16:05,920
Speaker 2: at the very end of the show to say that,

1785
01:16:06,560 --> 01:16:10,360
Speaker 2: but here's Drew and I dive in in the Lab,

1786
01:16:10,600 --> 01:16:13,000
Speaker 2: a little venting and then leaving it behind and then

1787
01:16:13,040 --> 01:16:14,280
Speaker 2: talking about Jacksonville.

1788
01:16:14,720 --> 01:16:19,160
Speaker 10: Right here, this is a weird, weird, weird season that

1789
01:16:19,200 --> 01:16:20,160
Speaker 10: we're still in the middle of.

1790
01:16:21,600 --> 01:16:24,759
Speaker 9: Yes, the final chapter has not been written.

1791
01:16:24,960 --> 01:16:25,360
Speaker 1: Correct.

1792
01:16:26,000 --> 01:16:29,880
Speaker 10: Much could still go great, much could not. We could

1793
01:16:29,880 --> 01:16:31,840
Speaker 10: be see, we could see something somewhere in the middle.

1794
01:16:32,000 --> 01:16:33,800
Speaker 10: But what I want to focus on right now, John,

1795
01:16:35,360 --> 01:16:38,639
Speaker 10: and you and I have talked offline about this. It's

1796
01:16:38,720 --> 01:16:43,880
Speaker 10: the damnedest thing. Starting with the Patriots win.

1797
01:16:45,040 --> 01:16:45,680
Speaker 9: Since then, so.

1798
01:16:45,720 --> 01:16:50,000
Speaker 10: Week six, Week six, yep, the Texans are plus twelve

1799
01:16:50,360 --> 01:16:54,320
Speaker 10: solely in that span turnover differential wise, meaning including the

1800
01:16:54,320 --> 01:16:56,760
Speaker 10: Patriots game, blitting the Patriots game plus three. In that one,

1801
01:16:56,800 --> 01:16:59,400
Speaker 10: they're plus three. The next week they're plus one, plus one,

1802
01:16:59,520 --> 01:17:01,840
Speaker 10: they were even in a game they're plus one and

1803
01:17:01,840 --> 01:17:04,400
Speaker 10: plus three, So three different games they've been plus three,

1804
01:17:04,439 --> 01:17:08,559
Speaker 10: which is bonkers. But anyways, they've been plus twelve, meaning

1805
01:17:08,600 --> 01:17:10,920
Speaker 10: they've taken the ball away twelve more times than they've

1806
01:17:10,960 --> 01:17:12,960
Speaker 10: turned it over. Now, yes, they have turned it over

1807
01:17:13,000 --> 01:17:18,040
Speaker 10: some in that span, but plus twelve. They're the third

1808
01:17:18,120 --> 01:17:21,040
Speaker 10: best team overall in the NFL in the entire season

1809
01:17:21,200 --> 01:17:24,760
Speaker 10: or on the entire season at plus nine. So they

1810
01:17:24,800 --> 01:17:27,519
Speaker 10: came into that Patriots game, they were down, they were

1811
01:17:27,520 --> 01:17:29,920
Speaker 10: in the bottom third of the NFL in turnover differential,

1812
01:17:30,479 --> 01:17:32,840
Speaker 10: had a good week that boosts them back up, and

1813
01:17:32,840 --> 01:17:35,880
Speaker 10: they've steadily risen. There's only two teams that have a

1814
01:17:35,880 --> 01:17:38,360
Speaker 10: better turnover differential rate than they do right now.

1815
01:17:38,520 --> 01:17:39,000
Speaker 9: Only two.

1816
01:17:41,040 --> 01:17:43,360
Speaker 10: I don't know what the span is since week twelve

1817
01:17:43,479 --> 01:17:46,080
Speaker 10: with the rest of the NFL, but excuse me, since

1818
01:17:46,080 --> 01:17:48,840
Speaker 10: week six with the rest of the NFL, but plus twelve,

1819
01:17:49,600 --> 01:17:51,760
Speaker 10: I mean, you're at a plus two rate per game.

1820
01:17:51,960 --> 01:17:58,240
Speaker 10: That's bananas, and it hasn't equated or it hasn't come

1821
01:17:58,240 --> 01:18:01,000
Speaker 10: out to wins and losses, and it's it's the weirdest

1822
01:18:01,080 --> 01:18:04,200
Speaker 10: freaking thing. And you pick off a guy five times

1823
01:18:04,240 --> 01:18:06,680
Speaker 10: and you lose. You sack a guy eight times and

1824
01:18:06,680 --> 01:18:08,559
Speaker 10: you also get a pick six off him and you lose.

1825
01:18:08,600 --> 01:18:11,960
Speaker 10: It was just the weirdest freaking thing. What is going on?

1826
01:18:12,160 --> 01:18:15,840
Speaker 10: How is this happening? But with the turnover stuff, like.

1827
01:18:15,960 --> 01:18:20,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, well yeah, it's mind blowing. I mean it really is.

1828
01:18:22,680 --> 01:18:24,880
Speaker 2: You know, I think that the Detroit game was the

1829
01:18:24,920 --> 01:18:27,360
Speaker 2: one five interceptions.

1830
01:18:27,400 --> 01:18:28,240
Speaker 1: You got five.

1831
01:18:28,800 --> 01:18:31,680
Speaker 2: Now I'll take you back, You've got four extra possessions

1832
01:18:31,680 --> 01:18:34,400
Speaker 2: because the fifth interception out of the where it ranked

1833
01:18:34,600 --> 01:18:35,200
Speaker 2: in the order.

1834
01:18:35,560 --> 01:18:37,639
Speaker 1: But Kamari Laster picked offhill Mary.

1835
01:18:38,320 --> 01:18:43,200
Speaker 2: But you got four extra possessions against Detroit, because that's

1836
01:18:43,439 --> 01:18:45,880
Speaker 2: the way in essence, you need.

1837
01:18:45,800 --> 01:18:47,799
Speaker 1: To think about a turnover.

1838
01:18:47,960 --> 01:18:51,719
Speaker 2: That's an extra possession for your offense that you weren't

1839
01:18:51,800 --> 01:18:55,200
Speaker 2: planning on getting but you got. And when you're plus

1840
01:18:55,280 --> 01:18:57,920
Speaker 2: twelve now, obviously, like I said, take that hill Mary.

1841
01:18:57,960 --> 01:19:04,400
Speaker 2: At the end, you're eleven extra possessions over seven, eight, nine, ten,

1842
01:19:04,520 --> 01:19:08,280
Speaker 2: eleven like six games ish, so you're averaging about two

1843
01:19:08,320 --> 01:19:12,280
Speaker 2: extra possessions per game and you just haven't been able

1844
01:19:12,320 --> 01:19:14,519
Speaker 2: to turn that into points.

1845
01:19:15,320 --> 01:19:17,720
Speaker 1: And that to me.

1846
01:19:19,479 --> 01:19:24,160
Speaker 2: The you can go one step further of the weirdness

1847
01:19:24,920 --> 01:19:29,400
Speaker 2: since New England since that game, because Damian Pierce had

1848
01:19:29,400 --> 01:19:31,519
Speaker 2: a touchdown in that game. I'm trying to think with

1849
01:19:31,520 --> 01:19:34,720
Speaker 2: the other's another touchdown in that second half was Digs. Yeah,

1850
01:19:34,760 --> 01:19:37,919
Speaker 2: maybe Digs after the turnover, So you had two touchdowns

1851
01:19:37,920 --> 01:19:40,439
Speaker 2: in the second half of that game. Since that game,

1852
01:19:40,960 --> 01:19:46,160
Speaker 2: so that would be Green Bay going forward. Derek Barnett

1853
01:19:46,160 --> 01:19:50,639
Speaker 2: has one touchdown, but offensively, Jimmy Ward has a touchdown,

1854
01:19:50,720 --> 01:19:53,879
Speaker 2: So Derek Barnett Jimmy Ward have touchdowns and the offense

1855
01:19:53,920 --> 01:20:00,360
Speaker 2: has a touchdown. That's right there, the crux of of

1856
01:20:00,400 --> 01:20:04,240
Speaker 2: the issue, and that's that's in the second half, you know,

1857
01:20:04,400 --> 01:20:07,760
Speaker 2: finishing games, and you know, there are a lot of

1858
01:20:07,800 --> 01:20:12,960
Speaker 2: different theories reasons why the second halves of games have

1859
01:20:13,080 --> 01:20:14,439
Speaker 2: been a struggle.

1860
01:20:14,920 --> 01:20:17,000
Speaker 9: There's still one answer to answer.

1861
01:20:17,400 --> 01:20:19,719
Speaker 2: There's there's no clean answer like, oh, it's this guy,

1862
01:20:19,960 --> 01:20:22,960
Speaker 2: or it's this scheme, or it's this issue a bunch

1863
01:20:22,960 --> 01:20:28,600
Speaker 2: of and sometimes one of the people don't want to

1864
01:20:28,640 --> 01:20:31,000
Speaker 2: hear it. But sometimes it just comes down to bad luck.

1865
01:20:32,160 --> 01:20:36,599
Speaker 2: And I mean and sometimes turnovers are luck. I don't

1866
01:20:36,640 --> 01:20:39,120
Speaker 2: think so. I mean that in Underdemiko, they've turned teams

1867
01:20:39,120 --> 01:20:40,320
Speaker 2: over I don't know how many times.

1868
01:20:40,680 --> 01:20:43,240
Speaker 1: But sometimes it just comes down to bad luck.

1869
01:20:43,600 --> 01:20:46,679
Speaker 2: You know, what if what if CJ sees tank earlier

1870
01:20:46,720 --> 01:20:49,760
Speaker 2: in that game against Detroit throws that touchdown, I think

1871
01:20:49,800 --> 01:20:52,639
Speaker 2: we win that Detroit game. I think after winning Detroit,

1872
01:20:52,640 --> 01:20:56,479
Speaker 2: there's no way we're losing to.

1873
01:20:55,320 --> 01:20:57,160
Speaker 1: To Tennessee at home.

1874
01:20:58,520 --> 01:21:01,400
Speaker 2: But I think this offense is in a in a

1875
01:21:01,479 --> 01:21:03,760
Speaker 2: rut in some sense and just hard to get out.

1876
01:21:03,800 --> 01:21:06,280
Speaker 2: And when you know, you think about if your car

1877
01:21:06,320 --> 01:21:10,120
Speaker 2: gets stuck in the mud, you think about if you

1878
01:21:10,439 --> 01:21:13,800
Speaker 2: gas it, you're just gonna create a bigger and bigger

1879
01:21:13,800 --> 01:21:16,800
Speaker 2: and bigger rut, Like just give it more power through

1880
01:21:17,200 --> 01:21:19,599
Speaker 2: hit the accelerator more. You're just gonna leave a big

1881
01:21:19,600 --> 01:21:21,880
Speaker 2: old rut, like an even bigger tire rut.

1882
01:21:21,960 --> 01:21:23,240
Speaker 9: Just gotta jiggle it a little bit.

1883
01:21:24,720 --> 01:21:26,639
Speaker 1: Right, There's you've gotta you've got to.

1884
01:21:26,560 --> 01:21:28,920
Speaker 9: Be one of the tires right the ward on one

1885
01:21:28,960 --> 01:21:29,240
Speaker 9: of the time.

1886
01:21:29,280 --> 01:21:34,519
Speaker 2: You've got to do something outside of just harder, you

1887
01:21:34,520 --> 01:21:36,240
Speaker 2: know what I mean, it's gotta there's got to be

1888
01:21:36,280 --> 01:21:40,120
Speaker 2: something different than that. You could keep working hard and

1889
01:21:40,240 --> 01:21:43,360
Speaker 2: try trying harder, but there's got to be something else

1890
01:21:43,439 --> 01:21:45,799
Speaker 2: that's got to kind of jolt it back into into

1891
01:21:46,479 --> 01:21:49,760
Speaker 2: you know, it's like a dislocated knee, you know, it's

1892
01:21:49,760 --> 01:21:53,719
Speaker 2: like you gotta you know, kind of turn it and oh, okay,

1893
01:21:53,720 --> 01:21:57,840
Speaker 2: it's back and hopefully at some point that can happen.

1894
01:21:58,000 --> 01:21:59,960
Speaker 2: Maybe not, I don't know. Maybe that's what this sea

1895
01:22:00,960 --> 01:22:02,640
Speaker 2: is going to teach all of us. Drew, I don't know,

1896
01:22:03,520 --> 01:22:05,760
Speaker 2: but I know I know people are upset. Look, most

1897
01:22:05,800 --> 01:22:09,559
Speaker 2: upset people are the offensive staff's his team not getting games.

1898
01:22:09,600 --> 01:22:11,600
Speaker 2: I mean, the defensive staff was probably pretty upset with

1899
01:22:11,600 --> 01:22:12,519
Speaker 2: the way things went down.

1900
01:22:12,640 --> 01:22:14,720
Speaker 9: Well, I was gonna say, yeah, I was gonna say that.

1901
01:22:15,520 --> 01:22:18,320
Speaker 10: I can't remember who was asking the question, but it

1902
01:22:18,400 --> 01:22:20,559
Speaker 10: was basically, hey are you Demiko?

1903
01:22:20,720 --> 01:22:23,320
Speaker 9: What do you think about this offense? You know, what's

1904
01:22:23,360 --> 01:22:23,639
Speaker 9: the deal?

1905
01:22:23,680 --> 01:22:25,960
Speaker 10: And he said, we got to play better complimentary fill

1906
01:22:26,000 --> 01:22:27,920
Speaker 10: And normally you roll your eyes at that type of thing,

1907
01:22:27,960 --> 01:22:32,040
Speaker 10: but man, all three phases, they made some whoppers of

1908
01:22:32,200 --> 01:22:35,599
Speaker 10: mistakes yep. That helped lose that game the other day,

1909
01:22:35,760 --> 01:22:38,160
Speaker 10: but they all it's the weirdest thing. They all also

1910
01:22:38,640 --> 01:22:40,840
Speaker 10: did all sorts of great stuff too. On each side

1911
01:22:40,840 --> 01:22:43,960
Speaker 10: of the ball. There were miraculous things that happened, not miraculous,

1912
01:22:44,000 --> 01:22:46,320
Speaker 10: but fantastic things that happened. But he did too many

1913
01:22:46,320 --> 01:22:50,280
Speaker 10: things that didn't go your way in every phase, all

1914
01:22:50,320 --> 01:22:52,759
Speaker 10: three of those phases that kept you from winning.

1915
01:22:52,960 --> 01:22:53,760
Speaker 1: Yew.

1916
01:22:53,840 --> 01:22:56,400
Speaker 10: You saw Kyane Fairburn throwing his helmet off at the end,

1917
01:22:57,280 --> 01:22:59,360
Speaker 10: But Kanye, he also made a fifty yard field goal.

1918
01:22:59,360 --> 01:23:02,719
Speaker 10: He also had a phenomenal kickoff or turn to start

1919
01:23:02,760 --> 01:23:05,000
Speaker 10: the game that helps you get that first touchdown, But

1920
01:23:05,040 --> 01:23:07,560
Speaker 10: then you get a penalty on on some returns a

1921
01:23:07,600 --> 01:23:10,720
Speaker 10: couple of times that set you back defense. Yeah you

1922
01:23:10,760 --> 01:23:13,960
Speaker 10: get eight secks, Yeah you score, but also you might

1923
01:23:14,840 --> 01:23:18,439
Speaker 10: ice the game if you wrap up and bring Pollard

1924
01:23:18,479 --> 01:23:21,599
Speaker 10: down they're inside the five instead of let them get

1925
01:23:21,600 --> 01:23:23,000
Speaker 10: free for the first I mean, there's all sorts of

1926
01:23:23,240 --> 01:23:26,200
Speaker 10: every single phase of the ball, and we've talked at

1927
01:23:26,240 --> 01:23:29,160
Speaker 10: linked about what the offense needs to do better every

1928
01:23:29,160 --> 01:23:31,799
Speaker 10: single phase of the ball. They all looked at themselves

1929
01:23:31,840 --> 01:23:34,360
Speaker 10: and were blaming themselves, and you know, it was a

1930
01:23:34,360 --> 01:23:36,519
Speaker 10: collective loss, which stinks.

1931
01:23:36,920 --> 01:23:39,519
Speaker 1: But this is what I wrote, Drew and Harris his

1932
01:23:39,720 --> 01:23:40,479
Speaker 1: this is a paragraph.

1933
01:23:40,560 --> 01:23:41,960
Speaker 9: Yeah, drawing a lot on that too.

1934
01:23:42,040 --> 01:23:47,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's you know, when you you wonder often, Okay,

1935
01:23:47,840 --> 01:23:51,200
Speaker 2: could we have prevented the bad things that happened?

1936
01:23:51,680 --> 01:23:52,000
Speaker 5: Okay?

1937
01:23:52,080 --> 01:23:55,040
Speaker 2: So as I read this, think about the bad things

1938
01:23:55,040 --> 01:23:57,040
Speaker 2: that happen. Could these have been prevented? Texans had a

1939
01:23:57,040 --> 01:23:59,400
Speaker 2: penalty a kickoff but wiped out a forty eight yard

1940
01:23:59,439 --> 01:24:02,560
Speaker 2: Damian Pierce the illegal contact penalty and a third and

1941
01:24:02,600 --> 01:24:03,920
Speaker 2: eight they led to a Titans field goal in the

1942
01:24:03,960 --> 01:24:04,479
Speaker 2: first half.

1943
01:24:04,640 --> 01:24:06,320
Speaker 1: Had a delay a game penalty on a punt in

1944
01:24:06,360 --> 01:24:06,919
Speaker 1: the first.

1945
01:24:06,720 --> 01:24:09,439
Speaker 2: Half, nearly gave up a touchdown because the returner didn't

1946
01:24:09,439 --> 01:24:10,800
Speaker 2: down the ball and had to dive on it to

1947
01:24:10,840 --> 01:24:14,240
Speaker 2: avoid a Titan's touchdown. Dropped a kickoff after the cheek

1948
01:24:14,280 --> 01:24:17,160
Speaker 2: or cockboard touchdown and was tackled at the eighteen yard line.

1949
01:24:17,320 --> 01:24:20,280
Speaker 2: Had consecutive false starts on third down on the first

1950
01:24:20,320 --> 01:24:22,560
Speaker 2: drive of the fourth quarter. Had a holding penalty that

1951
01:24:22,680 --> 01:24:25,559
Speaker 2: cost the Texans field position on a punt to the

1952
01:24:25,600 --> 01:24:27,920
Speaker 2: Tennessee thirty nine yard line. Committed a two man in

1953
01:24:28,000 --> 01:24:30,519
Speaker 2: motion this is a killer illegal shift penalty on go

1954
01:24:30,520 --> 01:24:32,600
Speaker 2: ahead Nico Collins touched on the fourth quarter, committed a

1955
01:24:32,600 --> 01:24:35,559
Speaker 2: holding on first and ten from the Tennessee eleven Three

1956
01:24:35,560 --> 01:24:38,560
Speaker 2: plays later after Collins should have been td missed a

1957
01:24:38,600 --> 01:24:40,519
Speaker 2: shorter than an extra point twenty yard field goal, and

1958
01:24:40,560 --> 01:24:43,280
Speaker 2: finally committed a fifteen yard blind side block penalty and

1959
01:24:43,320 --> 01:24:45,320
Speaker 2: the final Titans punt with the ball to the Texas

1960
01:24:45,360 --> 01:24:47,720
Speaker 2: seven yard line intead of Texans twenty four that led

1961
01:24:47,720 --> 01:24:49,640
Speaker 2: to a Titan safety for a final thirty two to

1962
01:24:49,680 --> 01:24:50,479
Speaker 2: twenty seven lead.

1963
01:24:50,880 --> 01:24:52,920
Speaker 1: As I'm going through that, I'm seeing.

1964
01:24:52,600 --> 01:24:56,600
Speaker 2: All those plays, I think sometimes the penalties, especially on

1965
01:24:56,640 --> 01:24:58,800
Speaker 2: special teams, those can be kind of tough. Those are

1966
01:24:59,040 --> 01:25:03,360
Speaker 2: you know, you're trying haul, but still you got to

1967
01:25:03,400 --> 01:25:05,639
Speaker 2: do everything possible to avoid, Like, for example, the holding

1968
01:25:05,680 --> 01:25:11,400
Speaker 2: penalty that the Titans were backed up, Titans were backed up.

1969
01:25:12,040 --> 01:25:13,760
Speaker 2: Robert Woods came up and fuelled the ball and got

1970
01:25:13,760 --> 01:25:16,040
Speaker 2: to the thirty nine yard line. You're already fugal range.

1971
01:25:16,160 --> 01:25:19,880
Speaker 2: You're in fugal range. And there's a holding on Kamara

1972
01:25:20,040 --> 01:25:22,920
Speaker 2: last year and I was like, wait, that's weird.

1973
01:25:22,960 --> 01:25:25,439
Speaker 1: Kamara doesn't really play special teams. And remember, oh Cadar

1974
01:25:25,520 --> 01:25:26,280
Speaker 1: Holman got hurt.

1975
01:25:26,760 --> 01:25:29,920
Speaker 2: He's got and play the gunner and he doesn't do that.

1976
01:25:29,920 --> 01:25:32,320
Speaker 2: That's not his he's not used to that. So of

1977
01:25:32,360 --> 01:25:34,200
Speaker 2: course he held. Hey got a ten year old penalty. Now,

1978
01:25:34,240 --> 01:25:36,920
Speaker 2: that was also the drive that you had the illegal

1979
01:25:36,960 --> 01:25:39,000
Speaker 2: shift with two menu in motion, and that was that

1980
01:25:39,080 --> 01:25:41,439
Speaker 2: was a killer And to me, of all of them,

1981
01:25:41,720 --> 01:25:43,559
Speaker 2: that's the one that bothers me the most. Not because

1982
01:25:43,600 --> 01:25:45,599
Speaker 2: it took a touchdown off the board. It did take

1983
01:25:45,640 --> 01:25:46,800
Speaker 2: a touch on off the board. It would have been

1984
01:25:46,800 --> 01:25:51,720
Speaker 2: the go ahead touchdown. But it's the week twelve. We

1985
01:25:51,720 --> 01:25:56,000
Speaker 2: were week twelve. That shouldn't be happening. Those are the

1986
01:25:56,040 --> 01:26:00,479
Speaker 2: things that shouldn't be happening. Penalties, you know, like daring

1987
01:26:00,479 --> 01:26:02,519
Speaker 2: not getting on the ball in the end zone, like okay,

1988
01:26:02,520 --> 01:26:04,559
Speaker 2: he should know that. Two minute emotion like come on,

1989
01:26:04,600 --> 01:26:09,280
Speaker 2: we can't we can't have that. But those kind of things,

1990
01:26:09,640 --> 01:26:12,120
Speaker 2: you know, like the holding penalty that was on Jared Patterson.

1991
01:26:12,680 --> 01:26:16,160
Speaker 1: It never should have happened. It never should have happened.

1992
01:26:16,160 --> 01:26:19,280
Speaker 2: There was a double team on Simmons, but Shaq Mason

1993
01:26:19,800 --> 01:26:22,360
Speaker 2: got thrown down basically by Simmons. And now it's what

1994
01:26:22,400 --> 01:26:24,200
Speaker 2: I want against Patterson. WHI Jared's not gonna win that.

1995
01:26:24,360 --> 01:26:26,680
Speaker 2: Nobody's gonna win that against Simmons one on one. That

1996
01:26:26,800 --> 01:26:29,000
Speaker 2: was the whole point that double team needed to stay stronger.

1997
01:26:29,040 --> 01:26:31,599
Speaker 2: But no, it's a holding penalty. Now move Bob moves back,

1998
01:26:32,240 --> 01:26:33,559
Speaker 2: and now you got to settle for the twenty eight

1999
01:26:33,640 --> 01:26:34,160
Speaker 2: yard field goal.

2000
01:26:34,200 --> 01:26:37,200
Speaker 1: And of course Kaimi has been fantastic all year and.

2001
01:26:37,120 --> 01:26:40,080
Speaker 2: He and he missed, Yeah, he pushed it left, and

2002
01:26:40,160 --> 01:26:42,200
Speaker 2: you know those things are gonna happen. Happening against the Jets.

2003
01:26:42,400 --> 01:26:43,960
Speaker 2: You know, those things are gonna happen. This guy's been

2004
01:26:43,960 --> 01:26:46,519
Speaker 2: carrying us all year. And I think as I as

2005
01:26:46,560 --> 01:26:48,360
Speaker 2: I have thought through this, and I've talked to a

2006
01:26:48,400 --> 01:26:50,120
Speaker 2: lot of people. I was actually on lunch at lunch

2007
01:26:50,160 --> 01:26:52,160
Speaker 2: on Wednesday, and you know, the guys that I was

2008
01:26:52,160 --> 01:26:53,800
Speaker 2: at lunch with were like, well, you know there's this,

2009
01:26:53,880 --> 01:26:55,880
Speaker 2: and there's that, and there's you know, all these different things.

2010
01:26:56,479 --> 01:26:59,400
Speaker 2: And I think what's frustrating is in a sense is

2011
01:26:59,400 --> 01:27:01,960
Speaker 2: one of them said, they talked about CJ and Kayimi,

2012
01:27:01,960 --> 01:27:04,439
Speaker 2: and they're like, we're just so used to those guys

2013
01:27:04,840 --> 01:27:07,880
Speaker 2: putting a cape on and bailing us out basically, you know,

2014
01:27:07,960 --> 01:27:09,400
Speaker 2: playing not not hero ball.

2015
01:27:09,479 --> 01:27:12,080
Speaker 9: But we got spoiled to a degree. Yeah, yet spoiled.

2016
01:27:12,160 --> 01:27:14,960
Speaker 10: And they are they are human and they're still way

2017
01:27:15,360 --> 01:27:19,360
Speaker 10: I say human, they're superhuman, but even superhuman sometimes.

2018
01:27:18,960 --> 01:27:21,320
Speaker 2: Absolutely and and and this was one and this was

2019
01:27:21,320 --> 01:27:23,679
Speaker 2: one of those times. And those guys are gonna step

2020
01:27:23,760 --> 01:27:25,559
Speaker 2: right back up, and they're gonna nail fifty yard field

2021
01:27:25,560 --> 01:27:27,400
Speaker 2: goals and they're gonna hit fifty yard bombs and hit

2022
01:27:27,400 --> 01:27:29,839
Speaker 2: twenty yard deep comebacks, and they're gonna be the guys

2023
01:27:30,120 --> 01:27:32,439
Speaker 2: that we want them to that we have always thought

2024
01:27:32,439 --> 01:27:35,160
Speaker 2: them to be. But there are gonna be moments you

2025
01:27:35,200 --> 01:27:37,360
Speaker 2: trip up. And that was that was one of them.

2026
01:27:37,360 --> 01:27:39,840
Speaker 2: And they just there was a confluence of events and

2027
01:27:39,880 --> 01:27:41,640
Speaker 2: that was part of it. And it ended up with

2028
01:27:41,720 --> 01:27:44,360
Speaker 2: us getting a fifth loss, and we probably deserve to lose.

2029
01:27:44,400 --> 01:27:47,439
Speaker 2: We we didn't desert win that game totally but we

2030
01:27:47,439 --> 01:27:49,120
Speaker 2: could have stolen it totally.

2031
01:27:49,200 --> 01:27:52,479
Speaker 10: And one last thing, Yeah, they were two and eight,

2032
01:27:53,120 --> 01:27:55,679
Speaker 10: but damn it, that's a good defense the Titans have, Yes,

2033
01:27:55,720 --> 01:27:56,000
Speaker 10: it is.

2034
01:27:56,520 --> 01:27:57,639
Speaker 1: That was as good as secondary.

2035
01:27:57,680 --> 01:28:00,240
Speaker 2: Those guys were stickier in coverage than I did have

2036
01:28:00,280 --> 01:28:02,719
Speaker 2: L Jerry sneed I know. They were sticky in coverage

2037
01:28:02,760 --> 01:28:04,720
Speaker 2: and that was probably the best secondary I could think

2038
01:28:04,760 --> 01:28:08,479
Speaker 2: of because they didn't sack CJ early in the game.

2039
01:28:08,560 --> 01:28:10,880
Speaker 2: Now they they did pressure him and move him off

2040
01:28:10,880 --> 01:28:11,320
Speaker 2: his spot a.

2041
01:28:11,280 --> 01:28:14,040
Speaker 9: Little eliminated the run. They eliminated the run.

2042
01:28:14,280 --> 01:28:15,960
Speaker 1: Simmons, that secondary was sticky man.

2043
01:28:16,040 --> 01:28:19,960
Speaker 2: Daryl Worley stepped up at safety and uh was really

2044
01:28:20,000 --> 01:28:22,840
Speaker 2: really good. And he was subbing for Harmoni Hooker, who

2045
01:28:23,040 --> 01:28:24,960
Speaker 2: had made the trip but was sick and couldn't play,

2046
01:28:25,000 --> 01:28:27,240
Speaker 2: so Worley had to step in there last second and

2047
01:28:27,439 --> 01:28:29,200
Speaker 2: ended up making a couple of really key plays in

2048
01:28:29,240 --> 01:28:29,599
Speaker 2: that game.

2049
01:28:29,640 --> 01:28:31,600
Speaker 10: Are you ready to put Jeffrey Simmons up on the

2050
01:28:31,640 --> 01:28:34,800
Speaker 10: Mount Rushmore of AFC South, Yes, villain's with t Y

2051
01:28:34,880 --> 01:28:37,040
Speaker 10: Hilton who has two places on the Mount Rushmore?

2052
01:28:37,200 --> 01:28:38,920
Speaker 9: And who's the who's the who's the other?

2053
01:28:39,320 --> 01:28:39,439
Speaker 1: Oh?

2054
01:28:39,600 --> 01:28:42,519
Speaker 10: King Henry, Yeah, Derrick Henry, Yeah, King Henry is there

2055
01:28:42,560 --> 01:28:43,920
Speaker 10: a jaguar that we can put in there or.

2056
01:28:43,880 --> 01:28:46,400
Speaker 1: No, I don't think so.

2057
01:28:46,560 --> 01:28:48,800
Speaker 9: Who's got who's the guy that caught that hail Mary?

2058
01:28:48,840 --> 01:28:51,760
Speaker 10: That Mike Thomas not you can't really put don't even

2059
01:28:51,760 --> 01:28:55,440
Speaker 10: know if you have at this point. Not not Jeffrey Simmons,

2060
01:28:56,720 --> 01:28:59,960
Speaker 10: Whiz that guy's good Simmons, Derrick Henry t Y Hill.

2061
01:29:00,520 --> 01:29:03,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, all.

2062
01:29:03,160 --> 01:29:06,599
Speaker 10: Right, So we look back in a good We're back

2063
01:29:06,640 --> 01:29:07,880
Speaker 10: in a good friend of mind, because that's what we're

2064
01:29:07,920 --> 01:29:08,240
Speaker 10: gonna be.

2065
01:29:09,040 --> 01:29:11,360
Speaker 9: We're gonna be in a good friend wind. It's Thanksgiving.

2066
01:29:11,640 --> 01:29:15,080
Speaker 10: I'm thankful for you, John, and I'm thankful for Randy

2067
01:29:15,080 --> 01:29:17,880
Speaker 10: the macho man, savage with his cream of the crop,

2068
01:29:18,080 --> 01:29:21,240
Speaker 10: the crop, cream of the crop, saying, because we're gonna

2069
01:29:21,240 --> 01:29:23,600
Speaker 10: pick a cream of the crop this guy. If the

2070
01:29:23,640 --> 01:29:27,000
Speaker 10: Texans are flying back on Sunday evening with a victory,

2071
01:29:27,080 --> 01:29:29,519
Speaker 10: their eighth of the year, if they're flying back with

2072
01:29:29,560 --> 01:29:32,719
Speaker 10: a victory, it'll be because these guys, these two guys,

2073
01:29:32,840 --> 01:29:35,479
Speaker 10: one for me, one for you, were Cream of the

2074
01:29:35,600 --> 01:29:40,160
Speaker 10: Crop award winners. I'm going with Tank Dell. Tank Dell

2075
01:29:40,520 --> 01:29:45,120
Speaker 10: erupted right outside his hometown last year. He's from Daytona Beach,

2076
01:29:45,240 --> 01:29:47,439
Speaker 10: he had a nice crowd there on the sidelines. In

2077
01:29:47,479 --> 01:29:49,920
Speaker 10: Week three, when the Texans got that first win of

2078
01:29:49,920 --> 01:29:52,639
Speaker 10: the Debigo Ryans Era, their first win of the season,

2079
01:29:53,200 --> 01:29:55,760
Speaker 10: they took it to them. You had the Tank Dell

2080
01:29:55,840 --> 01:30:00,280
Speaker 10: long touchdown. You had another long Tank Dell reception early

2081
01:30:00,320 --> 01:30:00,719
Speaker 10: in the game.

2082
01:30:00,920 --> 01:30:03,040
Speaker 9: Get the Andrew Beck. God bless Andrew Beck.

2083
01:30:03,120 --> 01:30:06,400
Speaker 10: Yeah, kickoff return for a score and uh youh Will

2084
01:30:06,439 --> 01:30:08,679
Speaker 10: and Anderson block in a field goal. Lots of good stuff,

2085
01:30:08,760 --> 01:30:11,200
Speaker 10: Brevin Jordan, lots of fun stuff. So I'm gonna go

2086
01:30:11,200 --> 01:30:12,960
Speaker 10: with Tank Dell because I think he's gonna get his

2087
01:30:13,400 --> 01:30:16,960
Speaker 10: I think the matchups will present themselves. I think Nico

2088
01:30:17,040 --> 01:30:18,880
Speaker 10: is gonna get what he normally gets. But I think

2089
01:30:18,920 --> 01:30:20,920
Speaker 10: when you add in Tank to it, let me get

2090
01:30:20,920 --> 01:30:23,360
Speaker 10: a redo a reducts of last season.

2091
01:30:23,920 --> 01:30:26,719
Speaker 9: More Tank Dell heroics. CJ.

2092
01:30:26,840 --> 01:30:29,640
Speaker 10: Stroud and the crew come through after the break as

2093
01:30:29,640 --> 01:30:32,120
Speaker 10: well and get some touchdowns. You get back on the

2094
01:30:32,120 --> 01:30:36,040
Speaker 10: winning track. You're coasting into a much needed bye week.

2095
01:30:36,439 --> 01:30:38,479
Speaker 10: You get some things fixed, you jiggle some things, and

2096
01:30:38,479 --> 01:30:42,040
Speaker 10: then hing about a bam, you roll into the playoffs

2097
01:30:42,040 --> 01:30:43,040
Speaker 10: with a nice December.

2098
01:30:43,080 --> 01:30:43,960
Speaker 9: You like that? You cool with that?

2099
01:30:44,120 --> 01:30:44,360
Speaker 6: Like that?

2100
01:30:44,439 --> 01:30:48,800
Speaker 2: Okay, who's your In fact, I struggled with this one

2101
01:30:48,800 --> 01:30:50,720
Speaker 2: because there's a guy I want to say, but I'm

2102
01:30:50,720 --> 01:30:51,360
Speaker 2: not going to do it.

2103
01:30:52,600 --> 01:30:55,040
Speaker 1: I'll tell you who that is, Okay, and that's CJ Stroud.

2104
01:30:55,360 --> 01:30:57,599
Speaker 9: All right, we kind of got to take him out.

2105
01:30:57,600 --> 01:30:59,400
Speaker 9: He's straw that stirs the drink.

2106
01:30:59,320 --> 01:31:02,840
Speaker 2: You know, taking him out, Yeah, because this quarterback and

2107
01:31:02,880 --> 01:31:06,439
Speaker 2: there's in this instance, it would be yeah, I would

2108
01:31:06,439 --> 01:31:09,479
Speaker 2: grant that. I think there's been a lot of noise

2109
01:31:09,680 --> 01:31:12,479
Speaker 2: about about CJ and a lot of people like.

2110
01:31:12,520 --> 01:31:15,080
Speaker 1: What's wrong CJ, sophomore slump, all this kind of stuff.

2111
01:31:15,080 --> 01:31:16,760
Speaker 2: Man, I went back and I watched every single throw

2112
01:31:16,800 --> 01:31:18,280
Speaker 2: he made against Tennessee Titans.

2113
01:31:18,840 --> 01:31:21,240
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, I'll take sophomore slump all week.

2114
01:31:21,360 --> 01:31:21,439
Speaker 3: Ye.

2115
01:31:21,439 --> 01:31:23,439
Speaker 1: Sure, he threw an interception that was a bad he

2116
01:31:23,520 --> 01:31:24,640
Speaker 1: knew it. He knew he threw a.

2117
01:31:24,600 --> 01:31:27,759
Speaker 2: Bad interception the first interception, I didn't. I'm not putting

2118
01:31:27,760 --> 01:31:31,160
Speaker 2: on him because I I think there was something. I

2119
01:31:31,160 --> 01:31:33,800
Speaker 2: think there was a disconnect there. I think that route

2120
01:31:33,800 --> 01:31:35,599
Speaker 2: was supposed to run a little deeper. I think CJ

2121
01:31:35,680 --> 01:31:37,280
Speaker 2: expected it to be a little deeper, and he threw

2122
01:31:37,320 --> 01:31:39,800
Speaker 2: it a little deeper. Thought I'm not putting that one

2123
01:31:39,800 --> 01:31:41,360
Speaker 2: on him. There were two of the throws that were

2124
01:31:41,400 --> 01:31:44,599
Speaker 2: kind of like they were on CJ. Like, but he

2125
01:31:44,640 --> 01:31:48,719
Speaker 2: made plus throws throughout that game. He made I thought

2126
01:31:48,760 --> 01:31:51,759
Speaker 2: the throw to Nico on the sideline where Nico toe tapped,

2127
01:31:51,840 --> 01:31:54,160
Speaker 2: that was a plus plus throw. That was just a

2128
01:31:54,240 --> 01:31:57,840
Speaker 2: extraordinary throw that not many quarterbacks in this league end

2129
01:31:57,960 --> 01:32:00,799
Speaker 2: up making. So you know all this, Oh he's slumping,

2130
01:32:00,800 --> 01:32:02,680
Speaker 2: he's just look at numbers last few weeks. Look, the

2131
01:32:02,720 --> 01:32:05,799
Speaker 2: overall offense hasn't been great, but he has been fighting

2132
01:32:05,800 --> 01:32:09,400
Speaker 2: through some protection issues and then just second year stuff

2133
01:32:09,400 --> 01:32:10,200
Speaker 2: that he's just trying.

2134
01:32:10,280 --> 01:32:10,920
Speaker 1: He's getting over.

2135
01:32:10,960 --> 01:32:12,599
Speaker 2: But I think this is a big game for him

2136
01:32:12,960 --> 01:32:14,360
Speaker 2: from from that standpoint.

2137
01:32:14,600 --> 01:32:16,200
Speaker 1: So I'm not gonna I'm not gonna pick CJ.

2138
01:32:16,360 --> 01:32:20,920
Speaker 10: Okay, so hold on, I almost I almost have to

2139
01:32:20,920 --> 01:32:23,559
Speaker 10: put Nico in that same category as you can't pick

2140
01:32:23,640 --> 01:32:25,639
Speaker 10: him because he's just guy. I wasn't gonna he's gonna

2141
01:32:25,640 --> 01:32:28,960
Speaker 10: do yeah, got Lee John, he wasn't gonna pick him.

2142
01:32:29,000 --> 01:32:30,880
Speaker 10: I mean, he's had those two touchdowns wiped off the board,

2143
01:32:30,880 --> 01:32:34,200
Speaker 10: but he's still he still gets the yardage, he still

2144
01:32:34,240 --> 01:32:35,280
Speaker 10: gets the big catches.

2145
01:32:35,600 --> 01:32:38,559
Speaker 9: Like he is in another stratosphere right now.

2146
01:32:38,600 --> 01:32:40,559
Speaker 2: So I almost want to put this next guy that

2147
01:32:40,600 --> 01:32:41,960
Speaker 2: I am gonna pick on the shelf.

2148
01:32:42,520 --> 01:32:44,600
Speaker 9: Okay, because the last two games.

2149
01:32:44,600 --> 01:32:48,479
Speaker 2: Have been arguably one of the best back to back

2150
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Speaker 2: games for a defensive player I've ever seen. And we

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Speaker 2: watched Watt in the twenty twenty four fourteen season, and

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Speaker 2: that is Daniel Hunter.

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Speaker 1: I'm going with him.

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Speaker 2: The Jags traded Cam Robinson because they wanted to see

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Speaker 2: what they had Walker Little, and so now it's gonna

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Speaker 2: be Walker Little, Anton Harrison against Daniel Hunter and hopefully

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Speaker 2: Will Anderson Junior.

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Speaker 1: So I'm going with Danil.

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Speaker 2: I think he has been absolutely extraordinary pro Bowl level

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Speaker 2: the last few weeks. He took his sack level from

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Speaker 2: I think it was five and a half going to

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Speaker 2: Dallas game, it's now ten and a half.

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Speaker 1: I believe. I think there was the numbers either way,

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Speaker 1: he's been phenomenal.

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Speaker 10: He entered that Dallas game leading the NFL in pressures, right,

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Speaker 10: the sacks hadn't coming down the names.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he has played. I mean last week three sacks,

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Speaker 2: five TFLs. I mean, just incredible. And I guarantee you

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Speaker 2: Jacksonville will put some you know, chips and things against him,

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Speaker 2: and they've been defeating those. In fact, the one player

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Speaker 2: that went viral on on Twitter was a chip was

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Speaker 2: supposed to be a chip by Ezekiel Elliott, but then

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Speaker 2: Neil spun inside to get away from it and he

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Speaker 2: ends up getting I can't remember if it's a sack

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Speaker 2: or pressure on that play, but it was just incredible

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Speaker 2: to see what he's gonna do. So I'm gonna go

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Speaker 2: cream of the crop against the Jacksonville Jaguars, Danil Hunter,

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Speaker 2: do it against Walker Little and Cam Robinson. Yeah, because

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Speaker 2: Walker Little and Anthony Harrison.

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Speaker 10: You get just one of those that winds up, maybe

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Speaker 10: more one of those winds up being a strip sack

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Speaker 10: and you you recover it.

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Speaker 1: Right, Who knows what that means? It exactly possessions we

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Speaker 1: talked about to start this.

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Speaker 9: Yes, we tied it all back together like the great

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Speaker 9: comedians do.

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Speaker 1: Look at that.

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Speaker 10: Hey, I'm thankful for you, Like I said, I'm thankful

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Speaker 10: for you for checking this podcast out. Hope you have

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Speaker 10: all your turkey, all your ham, all your sides that

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Speaker 10: you want some fun desserts as well. I hope you're

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Speaker 10: with the ones you love and if not, I'm sorry

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Speaker 10: that stinks, but we've all been there. My first first

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Speaker 10: Thanksgiving away from home. I had a ham sandwich to

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Speaker 10: start the day, did a sports cast out in Lubbock,

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Speaker 10: and then got some Waterburger for dinner, which was that

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Speaker 10: was nice.

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Speaker 9: But it's not bad.

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Speaker 10: I was employed, I had my health, I was not hungry,

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Speaker 10: you know, so I can't complain too much, right, yeah,

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Speaker 10: all right, man?

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Speaker 9: What was your first did you ever have a Thanksgiving

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Speaker 9: away from home?

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Speaker 1: You know?

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Speaker 2: My my actually my first Thanksgiving that I was away

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Speaker 2: from home tournament is probably Paige and I just having

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Speaker 2: you know, our Thanksgiving dinner and now we've just expanded

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Speaker 2: it work.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's good, it's great.

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Speaker 2: But uh, the last couple of years it's been just

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Speaker 2: myself and my son Jack, Yes, and we've we've handled

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Speaker 2: it and had some fun.

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Speaker 1: And that's what I wanted to be for everybody.

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Speaker 2: Listen, fun family, watch the football if you want, go

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Speaker 2: play football.

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Speaker 1: In the yard.

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Speaker 2: But either way, just huggle loved one, be around a

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Speaker 2: loved one, enjoy Thanksgiving, and give thanks. I give thanks

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Speaker 2: to Drew, to Mark, to Frank Frangie, to Matt Burke,

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Speaker 2: who was awesome. We appreciate you guys for listening. Thank

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Speaker 2: you for everything Texans fans enjoy the day Tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: Will reconvene on Friday.

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Speaker 2: With more all access before we get ready to take

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Speaker 2: on the Jacksonville Jaguars on Sunday.

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Speaker 1: Happy Thanksgiving, and as always, Go Texans.