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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan, and this episode number one thirty

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Speaker 1: seven tay in the show, we are joined again by

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Speaker 1: Donnie Vincent, and this time we're diving deep into his

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Speaker 1: hunting and habitat improvement experiences on his own Wisconsin property.

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Speaker 1: Hey there, folks, welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast,

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Speaker 1: brought to you by Sick of Gear. And today we're

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Speaker 1: back again with a very recent guest, Donnie Vincent. And

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Speaker 1: in our last episode with him back during the fall,

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Speaker 1: we talked about a bunch of different things, but right

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Speaker 1: towards the end of that conversation we really briefly touched

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Speaker 1: on the fact that Donnie had been doing some habitat

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Speaker 1: And after that episode went live, both Donnie and I

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Speaker 1: got feedback from folks wanting to hear more about that

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Speaker 1: side of what Donnie's doing. You know, you hear a

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Speaker 1: lot about Donnie's big sheep hunts, and I don't know

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Speaker 1: moose hunts or bear hunts all over the place, but

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Speaker 1: not often do we get to hear about what he's doing,

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Speaker 1: you know, on a regular piece of property that he

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Speaker 1: owns and manages kind of like us. So today we

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Speaker 1: wanted to specifically talk about, you know, how Donnie found

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Speaker 1: this property, how he acquired this property, what his habitat

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Speaker 1: and deer management goals and plans have been, what has

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Speaker 1: he specifically done, why do it all that kind of stuff,

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Speaker 1: and also kind of catch up on some of his

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Speaker 1: more recent hunts there too since last time we talked.

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Speaker 1: So that's the plan for today and then and then

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Speaker 1: also on top of that, I did want to follow

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Speaker 1: up on something that we talked about again last time,

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Speaker 1: and that was a book that Donnie had mentioned that

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Speaker 1: he reads. I think he said he reads every year,

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Speaker 1: and I've read it recently while I read it several

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Speaker 1: years ago again recently, and that's a Sand County Almanac

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Speaker 1: by Aldo Leopold. And Leopold someone you've probably heard about

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Speaker 1: you might not know a lot about his ideas, or

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Speaker 1: in particular his idea about a land ethic, which is

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Speaker 1: something that's guided much of the conservation movement over the

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Speaker 1: last I don't know, thirty fifty years or so. So

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Speaker 1: I'm hoping we can dive into this idea of a

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Speaker 1: land ethic too, because I think Donnie is going to

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Speaker 1: have some interesting insights to share on that front. And Uh,

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Speaker 1: this whole topic of a land ethic and conservation and

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Speaker 1: wildlife and wild places that's been on both of our

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Speaker 1: minds a lot lately, hasn't it been. That's a fact man.

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Speaker 1: You you sent me a message today and you said, hey,

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Speaker 1: I need to. I need to vent about some of

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Speaker 1: this kind of stuff. And and I love it when

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Speaker 1: I get those messages from you, because when you need

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Speaker 1: to vent, I know, it's usually about something that I

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Speaker 1: want to vent up out to. So, right, what's what's

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Speaker 1: on your mind? Well? And you know, this all kind

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Speaker 1: of started. I mean it didn't really start, but it

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Speaker 1: diesel was dumped on the flame, so to speak, at

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Speaker 1: the A T A Show when I realized, you know,

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Speaker 1: when it I shouldn't say, I realized I felt that

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Speaker 1: there was not enough emphasis on conservation or the animal

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Speaker 1: or you know, the keep it public movement, UM, that

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Speaker 1: we hunters should be really focusing on. And I don't

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Speaker 1: just mean we, I mean every person in the industry,

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Speaker 1: a commodity. Almost. Yeah, no, absolutely. It's funny you mentioned

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Speaker 1: we're Donnie, I want to actually read a couple of

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Speaker 1: And it's funny. I was just thinking about this too,

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Speaker 1: I have got to experience them a lot. I've gotten

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Speaker 1: you know. And I start wondering, you know, what, do

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Speaker 1: Mark again on in one of his rants about public land.

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Speaker 1: And I started thinking, like, should these people that only

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Speaker 1: still but but really quickly like, Okay, I think about this.

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Speaker 1: votes equal privilege. Right, So I won't go down this

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Speaker 1: thinking of a completely different company. Um, they're an out

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Speaker 1: know upland hunting and he I know he lives in Jackson,

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Speaker 1: Daddy sometimes? Yeah? I want to come go to the

430
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Speaker 1: mountains with you sometimes, And I cannot wait for that

431
00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:49,840
Speaker 1: day to take her to some you know drop, you know,

432
00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:53,399
Speaker 1: drive up overlook of the giant Valley somewhere, it doesn't

433
00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:55,720
Speaker 1: matter what state it's in, and just be like, look

434
00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:58,480
Speaker 1: at all this we could explore if you wanted to. Yeah,

435
00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:02,360
Speaker 1: we can do we can do whatever you want. Yeah,

436
00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:04,399
Speaker 1: that's and that's gonna be a pretty awesome moment. And

437
00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:09,200
Speaker 1: then I'll say, though, too, right, the tiny at home

438
00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:12,639
Speaker 1: wilderness quote unquote areas are are just as important to

439
00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:16,440
Speaker 1: whether it be you know, the little county park or

440
00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:18,919
Speaker 1: you're hunting property. I mean, I think I think the

441
00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:22,119
Speaker 1: things we're talking about, like the valuing these places and

442
00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:25,119
Speaker 1: trying to find a way to protect them or um

443
00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:27,720
Speaker 1: help conserve them in some way like that can be

444
00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:30,000
Speaker 1: applied to big Western public lands, but it can also

445
00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:32,639
Speaker 1: be applied to your little farm too, and showing that

446
00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:36,000
Speaker 1: care and respect even here. Um. And I think that's

447
00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:38,960
Speaker 1: kind of kind of where our conversation is going to

448
00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:40,880
Speaker 1: go from here. As we talked to Donnie, I really

449
00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:43,040
Speaker 1: want to hear about how he's implementing these types of

450
00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:46,239
Speaker 1: ideas on a little property here in Wisconsin, just like

451
00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:49,200
Speaker 1: any one of us listening could probably do. UM, because

452
00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:51,080
Speaker 1: there's something special about that too. I think you've got

453
00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:52,679
Speaker 1: to kind of feel that even a little bit. Just

454
00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:54,760
Speaker 1: planning a food plot this year, you know, it's kind

455
00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:57,920
Speaker 1: of cool to to to to give back in some little,

456
00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:01,320
Speaker 1: tiny way and see the wildlife using that and benefiting

457
00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:03,200
Speaker 1: from it. I mean, didn't that feel pretty special in

458
00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:08,960
Speaker 1: a small way? Yeah? It Uh, I don't know, man,

459
00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:11,240
Speaker 1: Like I said, it's it's more feeling for me than

460
00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:17,320
Speaker 1: than words. I I got so much enjoyment out of it.

461
00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:20,320
Speaker 1: Was almost like check me out, I'm a man, right.

462
00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:24,720
Speaker 1: I planted stuff and it grew like beat my chest.

463
00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:27,439
Speaker 1: There's there's a little a little bit of that, and

464
00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:29,480
Speaker 1: at the same time there was this, hey man, this

465
00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:36,159
Speaker 1: is awesome. I helped feed the animals through breaking of ground,

466
00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:39,760
Speaker 1: I don't know it was. Well, it's it's another one

467
00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:42,520
Speaker 1: of those ways that we connect back to the earth

468
00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:44,640
Speaker 1: kind of you know, and I think every time we're

469
00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:48,520
Speaker 1: reminded of that connection, it like it. It's so it's natural, right,

470
00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:51,280
Speaker 1: I mean, humans have been doing this forever. It's only

471
00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:53,800
Speaker 1: just recently that there have been all these kind of

472
00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:56,000
Speaker 1: I don't know what you call them, obstructions put in

473
00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:58,960
Speaker 1: the way between our relationship with the land and us.

474
00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:02,440
Speaker 1: Now there's grocery stores and you know, all these other

475
00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:04,679
Speaker 1: things that keep us from being connected to it. So

476
00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:07,840
Speaker 1: every time that we can reconnect that, you know, whether

477
00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:10,760
Speaker 1: it be through you know, planting a garden yourself, or

478
00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:13,440
Speaker 1: planting a food plot for wildlife or hunting, I think

479
00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:15,520
Speaker 1: all these things that were tap into something that's like

480
00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:19,800
Speaker 1: very human and um, it just feels right, you know.

481
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:23,800
Speaker 1: Or even something as simple as leaving your phone in

482
00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:27,439
Speaker 1: your truck or your vehicle and going and sitting down

483
00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:34,760
Speaker 1: next to a pond or lake and just not being connected. Yeah,

484
00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:37,680
Speaker 1: so true, so true. I think I think people feel

485
00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:40,280
Speaker 1: vulnerable and that's what scares them on some of this.

486
00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:42,200
Speaker 1: You know, this is a little hippie talk, you know

487
00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:46,520
Speaker 1: what I mean. But hippie podcast episode, right, But this

488
00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:49,800
Speaker 1: is definitely it's definitely needed. It makes I feel, it

489
00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:54,119
Speaker 1: makes people better. I agree. I agree. Speaking of better,

490
00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:57,440
Speaker 1: is is your daughter feeling better after screaming back there

491
00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:01,840
Speaker 1: in the background. I told you every podcast there's gonna

492
00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:05,320
Speaker 1: be the random outbursts, and that there it was, and there.

493
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:08,160
Speaker 1: I love it. But it was perfect because we need

494
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:10,760
Speaker 1: to we need to take a break now and we

495
00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:12,840
Speaker 1: gotta get ahold of donning. But first we're gonna take

496
00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:15,960
Speaker 1: a fast break to thank our partners at Sitka Gear.

497
00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:20,000
Speaker 1: So if you heard our episode last week discussing the

498
00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:23,000
Speaker 1: Archer Trade Show, you might remember us mentioning that Sitka

499
00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:26,520
Speaker 1: is launching a new big game line and camera pattern

500
00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:29,440
Speaker 1: this year called Subalpine. And today, to give you just

501
00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:32,439
Speaker 1: a little more insight into what this whole Subalpine thing

502
00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:34,200
Speaker 1: is all about, I wanted to share with you guys

503
00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:36,840
Speaker 1: a little snippet of the video they're released to help

504
00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:42,400
Speaker 1: with this announcement. We don't design all purpose gear, because

505
00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:47,119
Speaker 1: all purpose gear really translates to designed to compromise. We

506
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:56,480
Speaker 1: designed specialized gear an improves the experience. So it's a

507
00:26:56,520 --> 00:27:01,440
Speaker 1: constant questioning are we doing everything to land to optimize

508
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:05,560
Speaker 1: for the pursuit. Our core big game hunters start chasing

509
00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:08,199
Speaker 1: Elkin Yell during late summer and it can be hot

510
00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:13,159
Speaker 1: at that point. Weight and breathability mean everything. So we

511
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:19,640
Speaker 1: developed the lightest system we've ever created. This is close

512
00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:23,679
Speaker 1: quarters Huney. So we've optimized these systems with an all

513
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:28,000
Speaker 1: new pattern called Opti Fate Subalpine. It's designed for engagements

514
00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:30,760
Speaker 1: of fifty yards or less on the ground in bench

515
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:36,920
Speaker 1: Dave Terin. And so it comes back to experience. It's

516
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:40,840
Speaker 1: our desire to go further, to get closer, to stay longer,

517
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:45,399
Speaker 1: and it's through a focused approach they were able to

518
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:53,080
Speaker 1: experience more. If you would be interested in learning more

519
00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:57,000
Speaker 1: about Sitka's new Subalpine line, you can visit sitka gear

520
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Speaker 1: dot com, slash sub Alpine and out. We're gonna get

521
00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:04,800
Speaker 1: back to the show and give Donnie a call. Al

522
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:08,480
Speaker 1: right back with us for round three is Donnie Vincent?

523
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:12,560
Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us again, Danny, Yeah, thanks for having that.

524
00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:14,919
Speaker 1: At least it's not two years in between like the

525
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:17,600
Speaker 1: last time. That's true, that's true. It's it's only been

526
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:19,800
Speaker 1: like a couple of months or something like that. And

527
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:22,480
Speaker 1: and like we were talking about um before we got

528
00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:24,480
Speaker 1: you on here. You know, when we talked with you

529
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:27,280
Speaker 1: last time this fall, we talked all about, you know,

530
00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:29,480
Speaker 1: your deer hunts in North Dakota, and we talked about

531
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:32,520
Speaker 1: some different things with kind of current events and everything.

532
00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:34,639
Speaker 1: But at the very end we had touched on, you know,

533
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:36,720
Speaker 1: really briefly, the fact that you have this property in

534
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:39,720
Speaker 1: Wisconsin that you're working on and hunting all that kind

535
00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:43,160
Speaker 1: of stuff, and we just very briefly touched on. So

536
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:45,880
Speaker 1: I thought today we could really focus there, um, you know,

537
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:49,640
Speaker 1: talk about how you found this property, how you start

538
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:52,080
Speaker 1: thinking about it, what were the things of your goals plans,

539
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:54,959
Speaker 1: what did you actually do all that kind of stuff. Um.

540
00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:57,120
Speaker 1: So does that all sound pretty good Donny if we

541
00:28:57,160 --> 00:29:01,200
Speaker 1: go down that road? Yeah? Absolute? Really In fact, um,

542
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:04,800
Speaker 1: after our last podcast, UM, I had quite a few

543
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:08,600
Speaker 1: people write me just questions here and there about things

544
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:11,800
Speaker 1: that I've done, management, Why why this? Why not this?

545
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:15,040
Speaker 1: So there's definitely some interest even though we just touched

546
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:18,720
Speaker 1: on it towards the end there. Yeah. So I think

547
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:20,560
Speaker 1: when most of us think about you, Donny, we think

548
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:23,400
Speaker 1: about you know, your films. The rivers divide out there

549
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:27,840
Speaker 1: in North Dakota or Terra Nova hunting Caribou. I think

550
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:32,320
Speaker 1: that was in Nova Scotia or something like that. Um, Newfoundland, Newfoundland.

551
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:35,280
Speaker 1: Thank you and your bare hunts out in Canada or

552
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:37,080
Speaker 1: last all these different things. I don't think many people

553
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:40,200
Speaker 1: think about you hunting a little egg property in Wisconsin

554
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:43,040
Speaker 1: like all the rest of us. Um, can you can

555
00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:45,440
Speaker 1: you tell us a little bit just about like your

556
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:48,600
Speaker 1: history from a deer hunting perspective in that part of

557
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:50,520
Speaker 1: the country, because that's like where you've lived and hunted

558
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 1: for quite a while when it comes to deer, right, Yeah,

559
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:59,200
Speaker 1: I've I've hunted Wisconsin since oh Man, um, since the

560
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:02,720
Speaker 1: early two since I had a friend of mine, Like

561
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:04,720
Speaker 1: when I was in college. I had a friend of

562
00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:09,000
Speaker 1: mine that owned fifty three acres in Manominee, Wisconsin, which

563
00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:12,400
Speaker 1: is about, I don't know, call it two hours east

564
00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:17,280
Speaker 1: of Minneapolis, uh in you know central Wisconsin and people

565
00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:20,400
Speaker 1: in north central Wisconsin. And I leased that from him

566
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:22,440
Speaker 1: for years and years and years, and then a few

567
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:24,360
Speaker 1: years ago he ended up selling that property. And it

568
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:28,080
Speaker 1: was fantastic because it was fifty three acres. It was

569
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:31,160
Speaker 1: a rolling wooded ridge with a little trout stream what's

570
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:34,920
Speaker 1: my eastern border and you think fifty three acres whatever,

571
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:37,720
Speaker 1: what could that be? But um lo and behold. It

572
00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:40,320
Speaker 1: had fantastic wildlife on it, and I had a couple

573
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:43,320
Speaker 1: of really I never killed one. It was a difficult

574
00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:45,600
Speaker 1: property to hunt, but I had some books that lived

575
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:48,680
Speaker 1: there that were you know, world class one and you know,

576
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:52,000
Speaker 1: if you're talking inches of antler, I'm talking one sixties

577
00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:54,920
Speaker 1: to one nineties things like that, that of deer that

578
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:57,320
Speaker 1: I had, um that were you know, that lived in

579
00:30:57,360 --> 00:31:02,760
Speaker 1: that valiant. And so when my friends sold that property, um,

580
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:05,479
Speaker 1: you know, I just kind of would hunt with friends

581
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:08,200
Speaker 1: here and there. But I was very much interested in

582
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:12,320
Speaker 1: finding another property the lease or buy, um just because

583
00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:15,840
Speaker 1: I love obviously I love hunting their home. Not everything

584
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:19,160
Speaker 1: can be a huge expedition. And I've had some really

585
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:25,080
Speaker 1: very real adventures and very real, um sensational hunts, you know,

586
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:27,560
Speaker 1: an hour from my house or minutes from my house,

587
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:29,960
Speaker 1: I've I've seen some really fantastic things. So I never

588
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:33,240
Speaker 1: I never turned my nose down to hunting around locally.

589
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:36,720
Speaker 1: And I always like to, you know, have something some

590
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 1: place to go, a place that's my own, you know,

591
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:41,480
Speaker 1: where I can just go and Wednesday night when I

592
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:42,960
Speaker 1: get when I get out of the office, I could

593
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:45,000
Speaker 1: sneak into a tree like everyone else for a couple

594
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:47,600
Speaker 1: of hours. Do you have any one of those hunts

595
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:50,040
Speaker 1: or experiences that close to home hunt or experience that

596
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:52,479
Speaker 1: stands out is like one of those that right off

597
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:53,880
Speaker 1: the top that you heard like that was one of

598
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:58,720
Speaker 1: those really special moments even though it was just right there. Yeah,

599
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:01,920
Speaker 1: I'll be uh, to be honest with you. One of

600
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:04,280
Speaker 1: the ones that I think of often, there's there's two

601
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:07,520
Speaker 1: of them. One is the very first white tail buck

602
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:09,520
Speaker 1: that I ever killed with a bow was on that

603
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 1: fifty three acres. Because I didn't start bow hunting until

604
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:14,760
Speaker 1: pretty late in life. Um so I was in my

605
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 1: twenties when I started bow hunting, and and I had

606
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:23,600
Speaker 1: I got off that super early in the morning, and

607
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:26,240
Speaker 1: and this was back when I was just fanatical about

608
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 1: quote unquote scent controls. So I had all my clothes washed.

609
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 1: I had washed my street clothes because I had a

610
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:34,480
Speaker 1: long drive, trolled all the way from my house in

611
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:39,360
Speaker 1: Minneapolis to my property. And I got out in my

612
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:41,840
Speaker 1: driveway and I was getting dressed. It was chilly. Morning,

613
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:44,280
Speaker 1: was awesome. It was in November, I was just starting

614
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:47,120
Speaker 1: to snow a little bit and I realized that I

615
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:50,680
Speaker 1: had forgotten my release on my kitchen table in Minneapolis.

616
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:54,720
Speaker 1: I was just my word, I forgot my release, so

617
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:58,400
Speaker 1: really quickly. I tried to come to full draw with

618
00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:00,080
Speaker 1: my compound boat and I was shooting a whole it

619
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:02,120
Speaker 1: at the time, and I tried to come to full

620
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:04,000
Speaker 1: draw with just fingers, and I was like, can I

621
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:06,120
Speaker 1: do this? And I and I did come to full draw,

622
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:07,880
Speaker 1: and I was like, I cannot do this. This is

623
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:10,000
Speaker 1: this is gonna be messed up, you know, because I

624
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:12,280
Speaker 1: was still learning. So I was like, no, this can't happen.

625
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 1: So I was like, calm down, chill out, because I was,

626
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:19,360
Speaker 1: you know, very very high energy about hunting perfectly as

627
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:21,200
Speaker 1: perfectly as I could. So I just got back on

628
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 1: my truck, calmly, drove all the way home, walked inside

629
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:28,120
Speaker 1: literally my releases sit right down in the kitchen table,

630
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:30,360
Speaker 1: and grabbed it, walk right back outside, got in my truck,

631
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:34,640
Speaker 1: drove another two hours back to the property, and I

632
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 1: got there about I don't know, it's like nine thirty

633
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:39,480
Speaker 1: ninety five in the morning something like that. Got my

634
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:41,400
Speaker 1: stuff on. I was like I was just quietly walking,

635
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:46,640
Speaker 1: and I walked in big puffy snowflakes coming down, and um,

636
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:49,880
Speaker 1: I've always been afraid of heights, and so early on

637
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:52,160
Speaker 1: I was very afraid of heights. I've gotten much more

638
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:54,640
Speaker 1: comfortable over years of hunting and being in the mountains

639
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:57,360
Speaker 1: and in the cliffs. I've just kind of come to

640
00:33:57,400 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 1: the realization of dealing with it. But back then, I

641
00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:02,680
Speaker 1: was terrified of being twenty ft in a tree, and

642
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:05,240
Speaker 1: so I hunted with a summit climber. You guys know

643
00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:08,040
Speaker 1: those things, right, climbing up the tree that way. Yeah,

644
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:11,040
Speaker 1: So I really like hunting with a climber because it

645
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:13,200
Speaker 1: had that rail that was around my body and I

646
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:16,279
Speaker 1: would just feel so much safer in that manner. So

647
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:19,480
Speaker 1: I had my climber, I hiked into my spot, set

648
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:24,000
Speaker 1: my climber up, and I sat there, you know, all

649
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:27,080
Speaker 1: the way up got into my spot, this is absolutely

650
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:29,799
Speaker 1: true story. And I was pulling my bowl, roll up

651
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:32,960
Speaker 1: my bow rope, pop yet my bow up. I was

652
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:34,960
Speaker 1: pulling it up, and just as I got it to

653
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:37,879
Speaker 1: the base of my stand, I bumped my quiver off

654
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 1: and it fell all the way down to the bottom

655
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:43,680
Speaker 1: and I just literally stop there like and im a

656
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:48,279
Speaker 1: state like, okay, just everybody chill out where it's still.

657
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 1: There's a lot of hours left. It's a beautiful November day, USA.

658
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:58,719
Speaker 1: So I all the way down, grabbed my quiver all

659
00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:03,200
Speaker 1: the way up, and I had, um, this is gonna

660
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:06,719
Speaker 1: be kind of gross, but I had drank a couple

661
00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:09,200
Speaker 1: of theses of tea while I was driving back force.

662
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:13,000
Speaker 1: I'm like that P So I pulled my PA battle out.

663
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:17,560
Speaker 1: I'm going pe Actually, let me interrupt myself. I decided

664
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 1: I'm going to do a rattling sequence, then I'm going

665
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 1: to pee, then I'm going to sit down. And so

666
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:27,400
Speaker 1: I rattled, as you can guess. In the midst of peeing,

667
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:31,880
Speaker 1: I looked down and here comes the buck of my dreams,

668
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:34,960
Speaker 1: comes walking in circles of the tree at twenty yards

669
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:38,279
Speaker 1: and I shoot him perfectly. This was my first year

670
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:40,719
Speaker 1: with the ball, first buck with the ball, and it

671
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:43,920
Speaker 1: was really funny. I shoot him perfectly. He runs just

672
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 1: a short distance, tips over dead um, and I text

673
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 1: a couple of my friends and said, I just shot

674
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:55,960
Speaker 1: a hundred and fifty ten. And when I got down

675
00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:58,600
Speaker 1: and got to him, he ended up being a hundred

676
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 1: and twenty one inch seven. Well, and he looked absolutely

677
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:09,279
Speaker 1: monstrous to me. After after a hunting a day like that,

678
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:13,000
Speaker 1: I'd say, any buck is a giant. Well yeah, hang

679
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:16,719
Speaker 1: on a second, Hang on a second. You didn't you

680
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:20,560
Speaker 1: didn't like finished the story where you were? I mean,

681
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:24,760
Speaker 1: did you? My mind instantly goes to, did you shoot

682
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:28,719
Speaker 1: this buck with your Johnson hanging out? I was, I

683
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:33,600
Speaker 1: was not. I was not put away. Okay, that makes

684
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:38,759
Speaker 1: the story even better. I we did it. We did

685
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:42,000
Speaker 1: it in the moment. Yeah, it was just free Willy

686
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:44,759
Speaker 1: if you will, Well that is that is a very

687
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:48,799
Speaker 1: memorable story, Donny. I wasn't expecting one that. And I've

688
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:51,120
Speaker 1: had lots of them, man, I've had lots of you know,

689
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:53,839
Speaker 1: awesome turkey mornings. I love the turkey on I've got

690
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:57,239
Speaker 1: awesome big white tails and and um, I've just been

691
00:36:57,280 --> 00:37:02,960
Speaker 1: fortunate enough to I am. People think this is a line.

692
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:06,480
Speaker 1: But whether I'm hunting stone sheep in British Columbia or

693
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:09,280
Speaker 1: you and I link up on a Thursday evening and

694
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:11,000
Speaker 1: and we're gonna go and shoot a dough or we're

695
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:14,800
Speaker 1: gonna go hunt does on my hunting lease, literally, those

696
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:18,280
Speaker 1: two things are the exact same thing to me, They weren't.

697
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:21,640
Speaker 1: Always when I was younger, the bigger expeditions, I thought

698
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:25,600
Speaker 1: they meant more. But the more I went on them,

699
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:29,960
Speaker 1: the more every day on the expedition it was first day, second,

700
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:32,279
Speaker 1: third day, the more I realized that these were just

701
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:35,239
Speaker 1: little sub days of the exact same thing that I

702
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 1: was doing at home, and that I shouldn't um It

703
00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:43,960
Speaker 1: wasn't even a cognitive thought. It just became that I

704
00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:47,880
Speaker 1: was getting just as excited. I didn't have to mentally

705
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:50,040
Speaker 1: get there. I was getting just as excited to hunt

706
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 1: at home as I was to hunt in far off places.

707
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 1: And it just happened because I realized that no matter what,

708
00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 1: whether it be in my backyard or in the Arctic Circle,

709
00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:04,320
Speaker 1: they're both fantastic. Yeah, yeah, very true, very true. So

710
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:06,879
Speaker 1: and that and that's not the line. That's literally I

711
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:11,280
Speaker 1: literally wrapped my hand around that right now. I love it.

712
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:12,799
Speaker 1: It kind of falls right in line with something we

713
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:15,600
Speaker 1: were talking about earlier before you got on, just the

714
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:19,040
Speaker 1: just talking about how there is, you know, this special

715
00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 1: kind of experience and value in having big wilderness places,

716
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:25,360
Speaker 1: but then there's also a special type of value and

717
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:28,399
Speaker 1: experience and enjoyment of just the tiny little patches behind

718
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:32,279
Speaker 1: the house, and how there's a different kind of um

719
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:37,440
Speaker 1: special experience in both absolutely absolutely and they and they

720
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:41,359
Speaker 1: and they can hold tremendous value. Right that's like, right now, um,

721
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:43,600
Speaker 1: what we're about to talk about, I'm trying to manage

722
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:47,440
Speaker 1: or starting to change, not even managed, that's that's not

723
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:49,600
Speaker 1: even the word I want to use. But I'm trying

724
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:55,239
Speaker 1: to implement good into this small property because even a

725
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:59,200
Speaker 1: small strip of grass or a small tree cutting or

726
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 1: planting a small section of pines or whatever it is

727
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:06,400
Speaker 1: I'm doing, I'm just trying to make that little section better.

728
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:09,120
Speaker 1: And you'd be amazed the impact that you can have

729
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 1: by managing just bye bye planting and and um implementing

730
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:17,600
Speaker 1: habitat and just a small little pieces. It's incredible. Yeah,

731
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:20,239
Speaker 1: So take us back to the beginning. How did you

732
00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:22,320
Speaker 1: go about you know, because it sounds like you've hunted

733
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:26,000
Speaker 1: Wisconsin at your buddy's place least different things like that,

734
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:29,680
Speaker 1: But how did you actually go to deciding to purchase?

735
00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:33,560
Speaker 1: Because he did purchase this farm right now, and um, no, no,

736
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:35,920
Speaker 1: I I only leased this farm. I leave it. I

737
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:38,920
Speaker 1: don't I haven't purchased. I haven't purchased it yet. The

738
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 1: landowner and myself I talked about it. We've been talking

739
00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:44,400
Speaker 1: about it. He really wants me to own it, but um,

740
00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:47,280
Speaker 1: we just haven't went down that road as of yet. Okay,

741
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:49,200
Speaker 1: So then can you tell us how you found this

742
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:50,719
Speaker 1: property to lease? Because I know a lot of people

743
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:52,239
Speaker 1: are always trying to fait. How do you find the least?

744
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:54,440
Speaker 1: How do you get a good lease? So how how

745
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:56,360
Speaker 1: did this work out? How do you know this is

746
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:57,759
Speaker 1: the place that you want to hunt? How do you

747
00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:02,480
Speaker 1: pick it? That kind of stuff? Yep, Um, it happened

748
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:08,359
Speaker 1: to be the building maintenance man of where we have

749
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:12,560
Speaker 1: our offices for Sickmanta in Hudson. Uh. He's a local

750
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:15,960
Speaker 1: school teacher. He teaches uh special needs kids but in

751
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:19,080
Speaker 1: his uh not free time, but in his you know,

752
00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:22,680
Speaker 1: this is like his second job. He's an awesome handyman carpenter.

753
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:25,399
Speaker 1: So he takes care of several buildings in town when

754
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:28,960
Speaker 1: he's not teaching the special needs kids and so and

755
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 1: he has he has a lot of free time because

756
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:34,840
Speaker 1: he gets off early um at school. And so justin

757
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:37,880
Speaker 1: just a happenstance out speaking with him one day and

758
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:39,919
Speaker 1: he was telling he had a nineteen year old son,

759
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:44,560
Speaker 1: um at the time, and he's taught me about him

760
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:47,200
Speaker 1: and his son have this property out of town that

761
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:50,360
Speaker 1: they love to go to and just walk around the woods,

762
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:53,120
Speaker 1: and and he had just noticed around our offices, you know,

763
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:55,080
Speaker 1: the pictures of the wildlife and things like that. So

764
00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:56,560
Speaker 1: he's like, oh, yeah, I have I have a chunk

765
00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:59,040
Speaker 1: of woods east the town here that me and my

766
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:00,800
Speaker 1: kids love to go out on. And so I was

767
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:02,600
Speaker 1: asking him about it. He's like, yeah, it's it's a

768
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:06,120
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty three acres. And then I started asking.

769
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:08,919
Speaker 1: I said, does anyone hunt it? And he said yeah,

770
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:12,239
Speaker 1: there's there's a house on the property, and the guy

771
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:15,719
Speaker 1: that rents the house, he hunts it. And so I said, okay, cool.

772
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:19,279
Speaker 1: I said, well, if that ever changes, um, let me

773
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:21,600
Speaker 1: know I'd be interested in potentially leasing that thing. I'd

774
00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:22,680
Speaker 1: have to go out there and look at it, but

775
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:24,560
Speaker 1: i'd be I'd be interested in leasing it for a

776
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:27,640
Speaker 1: long term. He's like, oh, let's talk about it right now,

777
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:29,720
Speaker 1: because the guy that rents the house is like seven

778
00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:36,640
Speaker 1: months behind. And read Oh, well that's fantastic. So I'll

779
00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:38,760
Speaker 1: leave you to deal with that gentleman in the house.

780
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:42,200
Speaker 1: But I basically went in and least I didn't do

781
00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:45,000
Speaker 1: it maliciously, but I basically went in and and least

782
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:48,759
Speaker 1: the hunting rights out from underneath this landowner. So um,

783
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:53,000
Speaker 1: you know, are are superhero. Just basically once the rent

784
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:56,880
Speaker 1: e the renter and just said, hey, uh, you no

785
00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:59,960
Speaker 1: longer have any hunting rights here. Uh you know, obviously

786
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:02,280
Speaker 1: you're still in the house. We'll we'll figure out rent

787
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:04,960
Speaker 1: that way. But the hundred and fifty three acres and

788
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:09,280
Speaker 1: as a whole, I've leased it to another guy. And

789
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:11,719
Speaker 1: and so I basically just went out there and checked

790
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:16,880
Speaker 1: the property out. And what it was is, um it's

791
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:21,960
Speaker 1: mostly wooded with secondary growth deciduous hardwoods lots and maple

792
00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:25,399
Speaker 1: lots of popular things like that. UM. And then the

793
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:28,719
Speaker 1: whole center of the property, basically right down the middle

794
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:31,279
Speaker 1: like a you know, like a landing strip, is a

795
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:36,680
Speaker 1: twenty seven acre old agricultural field. Now, when when our

796
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:41,840
Speaker 1: super bought it, heat that field was, UM saw it

797
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:45,480
Speaker 1: had completely become overgrown and had little patches of cedar

798
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:48,799
Speaker 1: trees and then amongst it. But he was approached a

799
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:51,239
Speaker 1: few years ago, I think like four or five years

800
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:54,080
Speaker 1: ago by a local farmer and he said, hey, I'd

801
00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:56,000
Speaker 1: love to come in there and rent that twenty seven

802
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:58,600
Speaker 1: acres from you to do roll crops, soybeans and corn.

803
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:01,919
Speaker 1: And at the time, he you know, he just wanted

804
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:03,839
Speaker 1: to make more rent on the property, just to make

805
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:07,200
Speaker 1: the property make more sense. So he was very reluctant

806
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:11,080
Speaker 1: as his nineteen year old son, Um really wanted to

807
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:14,440
Speaker 1: He had a vision of you know, he wanted to

808
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:17,200
Speaker 1: go out there and build tent platforms for him and

809
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:19,040
Speaker 1: his dad and so that if you go camping out

810
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:21,920
Speaker 1: there and camp amongst the you know, black eyed Susans

811
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:24,239
Speaker 1: and the prairie flowers and stuff like that, and just

812
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:27,440
Speaker 1: enjoy their time out there. But um, you know, so

813
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:29,880
Speaker 1: they ended up leasing it to this road crop farmer.

814
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 1: He came in started to start doing road crops. Um.

815
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:36,480
Speaker 1: Then I came in and started leasing the hunting rights,

816
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 1: and then you know, I just saw this thing. It's

817
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:42,800
Speaker 1: just you know, it's awesome having the farmer there and

818
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:45,160
Speaker 1: the crops and everything. But you know, as soon as

819
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 1: the farmer would harvest, you know, he just leaves this

820
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:49,880
Speaker 1: you know, you know what I'm saying that he just

821
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:55,680
Speaker 1: leave this giant muddy are you know? Craft fest behind

822
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:58,600
Speaker 1: when they were done harvesting their crop out, and I

823
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:02,040
Speaker 1: was just like, man, I would of to do more here,

824
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:05,879
Speaker 1: because I would just look at literally as simply as

825
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:08,440
Speaker 1: I look at the woods and say, okay, the woods

826
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:10,920
Speaker 1: are doing this. Look at this field, which is basically

827
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:13,839
Speaker 1: essentially came up a parking lot, and then I look

828
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:15,640
Speaker 1: at the other side of the wood and say, okay,

829
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:18,239
Speaker 1: this wood's over here is doing this. And so then

830
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:20,160
Speaker 1: I just started thinking like, what if I could change

831
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:24,080
Speaker 1: this from a parking lot into actually having some value? Um,

832
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:26,440
Speaker 1: And so I sat down and talked to talk to

833
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:30,759
Speaker 1: the super and just said, hey, UM, would you anticipate

834
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:33,360
Speaker 1: would you have an interest at least in the entire

835
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:37,040
Speaker 1: thing to me? And as it were, Um, sadly enough,

836
00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:40,920
Speaker 1: his nineteen year old son ended up passing away right

837
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:44,400
Speaker 1: at about that same time that I had asked him

838
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:48,000
Speaker 1: if I could lease the entire property, and so UM

839
00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:51,160
Speaker 1: we had a very heartfelt conversation about me coming in

840
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:55,760
Speaker 1: and returning much of that seven acres back to how

841
00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:58,879
Speaker 1: his oldest son kind of had a vision of going

842
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:00,920
Speaker 1: out there and camping with at and just bringing that

843
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:05,560
Speaker 1: place back to being very wildlife centric and turning it

844
00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:10,560
Speaker 1: into a place that had prairie and uh and more

845
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:13,799
Speaker 1: wildlife and and than than it had evolved into with

846
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:18,160
Speaker 1: the road crops. If if you will, hm. Wow. So

847
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:21,080
Speaker 1: when you first saw it, you know, when you first

848
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:24,799
Speaker 1: started leasing it, you know, what did you see there

849
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:27,120
Speaker 1: that made you think it had potential? And I guess

850
00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:29,880
Speaker 1: what we're I know it sounds like your goals changed

851
00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:31,759
Speaker 1: when you start seeing that. You know, you just kind

852
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:33,719
Speaker 1: of had this camera parking lot in the middle and

853
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:35,600
Speaker 1: you could do more. But in the beginning, did you

854
00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:37,360
Speaker 1: ever look at and say, wow, this could be a

855
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:39,239
Speaker 1: long term great thing or did it kind of grow

856
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:43,280
Speaker 1: on you? Um? It kind of grew on me actually

857
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:48,640
Speaker 1: because the first I'm not a very um I'm not

858
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:52,200
Speaker 1: an over anxious type of hunter. I'm not somebody that

859
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:57,239
Speaker 1: gets completely fixated on um. You know, I guess I

860
00:45:57,320 --> 00:45:59,719
Speaker 1: leased it for at leased the property for two years

861
00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:02,000
Speaker 1: before I even ever hunted it. I mean not, I

862
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:05,920
Speaker 1: did not step foot on it for two years. I

863
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:08,160
Speaker 1: just want I knew it was something that I want

864
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:10,360
Speaker 1: to put myself into, but I was so busy traveling

865
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:11,680
Speaker 1: and I didn't have a lot of time to put

866
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:13,840
Speaker 1: so I just put a bunch of cameras up on

867
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:17,200
Speaker 1: the property in different locations and just you know, trail

868
00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:20,640
Speaker 1: photo trail cameras, and just left them and then became

869
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:24,600
Speaker 1: increasingly interested in seeing. Like when I went back and

870
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:26,840
Speaker 1: looked at the photos, I didn't have any big bucks

871
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:29,200
Speaker 1: on on the pictures or anything like that, but just

872
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:33,880
Speaker 1: watching the box interactions. I had taught several bucks, fighting,

873
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:38,840
Speaker 1: making scrapes, all of this stuff. And then ironically, the

874
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:44,440
Speaker 1: property was owned by an elderly woman prior to my

875
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:48,920
Speaker 1: super buying it, and she was I believe she was widowed,

876
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:52,320
Speaker 1: and she was a deer hunter. So on my entire

877
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:56,080
Speaker 1: eastern border of the farm field, she had planted apple

878
00:46:56,120 --> 00:46:58,360
Speaker 1: trees all the way down that edge so that she

879
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:00,960
Speaker 1: could shoot deer underneath the apple trees with a rifle.

880
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:04,600
Speaker 1: And so I was starting to get pictures of these

881
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:08,080
Speaker 1: box under these apple trees and just getting tons of

882
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:11,440
Speaker 1: daylight movement, Like most of the photos I was getting

883
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:13,160
Speaker 1: up the box were in the middle of the day,

884
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:15,359
Speaker 1: broad daylight, and as you well know, as you start

885
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:19,600
Speaker 1: to hunt a property, that very quickly transitions to nighttime movement.

886
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:21,759
Speaker 1: If you're not you know, if you're not stealthy bot

887
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:24,320
Speaker 1: or if you're over hunting the property. So just seeing

888
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:28,000
Speaker 1: that the box were just moving throughout the property without harm.

889
00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:31,279
Speaker 1: And then I've done some turkey hunts there and I

890
00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:34,319
Speaker 1: went out three or four mornings in a row, not

891
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:36,440
Speaker 1: a row, but went up there three or four mornings

892
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:38,520
Speaker 1: and said, let's say like a week and a half.

893
00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:42,239
Speaker 1: I ended up calling in like thirty five different coms

894
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:44,880
Speaker 1: on the property. And so there are a lot of

895
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:47,280
Speaker 1: turkeys out there gobbling their heads off and do a stuff.

896
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:50,480
Speaker 1: So I thought, man, there's all this going on when

897
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:54,360
Speaker 1: this is just a farm field, Like, what what pencil

898
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:58,200
Speaker 1: would this have if I actually started doing grasses and

899
00:47:58,200 --> 00:48:01,040
Speaker 1: and planted some food that I laft year round and

900
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:05,280
Speaker 1: started planting food for both deer and birds and songbirds

901
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:07,359
Speaker 1: and you know, right on down the line. And so

902
00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:10,560
Speaker 1: that's when it started to just kind of you know,

903
00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:13,400
Speaker 1: started to roll in my head, started to kind of

904
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:16,759
Speaker 1: gain steam, and that I wanted to do more and

905
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:19,920
Speaker 1: and make the place pretty cool or try to anyway. Yeah,

906
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:22,680
Speaker 1: So how did that process then go when you started

907
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:26,120
Speaker 1: thinking about that you want to do more here? What

908
00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:28,560
Speaker 1: what was your vision? How did you start putting a

909
00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:34,560
Speaker 1: plan together? Well, I oddly enough, UM, I have a

910
00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:39,040
Speaker 1: small infatuation with warm seasoned grasses. Don't ask me why.

911
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:41,840
Speaker 1: I just think they're pretty cool. Like my house is

912
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:46,480
Speaker 1: completely spotted by prairie. Yeah, and they're just like and um,

913
00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:48,959
Speaker 1: you guys know that Mark Jury is a good friend

914
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:51,319
Speaker 1: of mine and and uh, you know, I talked to

915
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:56,400
Speaker 1: Mark often about habitat and about white tail management and

916
00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:59,560
Speaker 1: white tail hunting and um, you know, and he sends

917
00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:01,640
Speaker 1: me his videos every year. And I watched his video

918
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:03,840
Speaker 1: just like everyone else, and I, you know, I was

919
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:06,360
Speaker 1: looking at how he sets his properties up and just

920
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:09,759
Speaker 1: kind of seeing, you know, Because even though I have

921
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:13,080
Speaker 1: worked as a research biologist, I'm not very much of

922
00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:16,000
Speaker 1: a white tilt biologist. I'm a deer hunter, but I've

923
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:19,160
Speaker 1: never spent that much time studying the white til deer.

924
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:22,239
Speaker 1: So while I had some ideas that I really liked

925
00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:24,560
Speaker 1: warm season grasses, I knew I wanted to have a

926
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:27,200
Speaker 1: year round food things like this, I really didn't know

927
00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:32,359
Speaker 1: what to implement. And so, um, I actually reached out

928
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:35,959
Speaker 1: last year to Ben Harshine, who was a new friend

929
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:39,360
Speaker 1: of mine. I had met Ben the year before, uh

930
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:42,480
Speaker 1: and really loved his maps that you know, Ben owns

931
00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:48,560
Speaker 1: hun Teren makes these absolutely beautiful and ridiculously functional maps,

932
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:51,880
Speaker 1: and so we had spoken on the phone. I was like, hey,

933
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:53,920
Speaker 1: would you make me a map of this property? And

934
00:49:54,120 --> 00:49:56,000
Speaker 1: they're like, yeah, man, I'd be honored to, you know.

935
00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:59,160
Speaker 1: And so we started a relationship there and the maps came,

936
00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:03,960
Speaker 1: and that solidified my ideas even more. Right. That got

937
00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:05,920
Speaker 1: the wheel spinning even more because now I had this

938
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:08,000
Speaker 1: bird's eye view, and not just a bird's eye view,

939
00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:11,920
Speaker 1: not just a pople map, but in the way that

940
00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:14,239
Speaker 1: Ben does his maps, you know, I was able to

941
00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:19,560
Speaker 1: see um edge. You know. You know, some people know

942
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:22,160
Speaker 1: that white tailed deer and different animals do really well

943
00:50:22,200 --> 00:50:24,880
Speaker 1: where there's an edge where you know, goes from controvers

944
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:28,400
Speaker 1: to all hardwoods or conifers to a field or a

945
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:31,800
Speaker 1: hardwoods to a field whatever. Wherever there's a distinction and habitat,

946
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:34,719
Speaker 1: the deer do really well. So I started looking with

947
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:38,400
Speaker 1: Ben's map. I could see because Ben used Ben uses

948
00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:40,279
Speaker 1: the sunlight, if you will, to kind of show you

949
00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:42,040
Speaker 1: the shaded there is to show you to parking. And

950
00:50:42,040 --> 00:50:45,759
Speaker 1: I started seeing edge in the woods um that I

951
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:49,640
Speaker 1: didn't realize it's there, stands up conifers butting up against

952
00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:52,160
Speaker 1: the siduus trees that I didn't really see how they

953
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:53,960
Speaker 1: laid out until I got this map. So it's started

954
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:56,440
Speaker 1: to get me excited that I called Ben because he

955
00:50:56,520 --> 00:50:59,080
Speaker 1: does a lot more with quality deer management. He does

956
00:50:59,120 --> 00:51:01,680
Speaker 1: a lot more with white tail management stuff that I do,

957
00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:04,279
Speaker 1: and um, it's just not a world that I live in.

958
00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:07,240
Speaker 1: And I said, hey, do you know of any white

959
00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:10,000
Speaker 1: tail managers or wildlife managers that could give me a hand?

960
00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:13,840
Speaker 1: And very quickly he introduced me to a gentleman named

961
00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:17,759
Speaker 1: um Eric Long who owns Drumming Log Wildlife Management. I

962
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:20,359
Speaker 1: think that's the name of company, Drumming Log, you know,

963
00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:24,799
Speaker 1: like Grous Drumming. And he introduced me to Eric, and

964
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:29,279
Speaker 1: I just wanted to Um. I knew I wanted to

965
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:31,320
Speaker 1: do cool things out here. I knew I wanted to

966
00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:35,000
Speaker 1: change it up, but I didn't really know what to

967
00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:37,000
Speaker 1: do or how to do it, or when to do it.

968
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:40,319
Speaker 1: And as lazy as this sounds, I just didn't have

969
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:42,360
Speaker 1: the time to do all the research on the plants

970
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:44,000
Speaker 1: and the timings and all this tiff and stuff. And

971
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:46,759
Speaker 1: I'm certainly not a farmer. And so I reached out

972
00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:50,000
Speaker 1: to Eric and just started the ball rolling. We had

973
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:53,000
Speaker 1: a conversation and it actually started out when I said, hey,

974
00:51:54,120 --> 00:51:56,480
Speaker 1: I don't want to creep you out. I love warm

975
00:51:56,560 --> 00:52:00,200
Speaker 1: season glasses. He said, well, I love warms eas and

976
00:52:00,239 --> 00:52:04,719
Speaker 1: grasses too, So we're gonna get along this time. And

977
00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:08,640
Speaker 1: that's kind of how it started. Um, And you know,

978
00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:13,680
Speaker 1: and we slowly grew the project. Um. And luckily they

979
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:17,359
Speaker 1: both become friends. And you know, they have come here

980
00:52:18,120 --> 00:52:22,680
Speaker 1: um very often on their own dime, have come up,

981
00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:26,160
Speaker 1: driven up here, or or flew up here um to

982
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:30,880
Speaker 1: come in onto the property and grab a chainsaw and

983
00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:34,759
Speaker 1: grab you know, a handseater and and come and help

984
00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:37,200
Speaker 1: me when just out of the love of getting their

985
00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:40,000
Speaker 1: hams dirty. So um, you know, that's kind of how

986
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:44,399
Speaker 1: it started, that's how it perpetuated. So we last time

987
00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:46,839
Speaker 1: we talked to you briefly mentioned that you guys did

988
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:48,680
Speaker 1: a bunch of hinge cutting, I think, or cutting at

989
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:52,000
Speaker 1: least in the woods, and you had planned the grasses

990
00:52:52,040 --> 00:52:55,000
Speaker 1: and some food plots. But how much how much work

991
00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:57,360
Speaker 1: did this actually entail? I mean, was this was this

992
00:52:57,520 --> 00:52:59,600
Speaker 1: all of the course of like one or two weekends,

993
00:52:59,719 --> 00:53:02,120
Speaker 1: or this over the course of the entire year and

994
00:53:02,120 --> 00:53:07,600
Speaker 1: what specifically did all you end up putting in place? Sure, um,

995
00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:10,319
Speaker 1: it ended up being it was a considerable amount of work,

996
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:14,120
Speaker 1: but it didn't um, you know, it didn't envelope a

997
00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:17,279
Speaker 1: ton of time. It's certainly enveloped much of I mean

998
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:21,200
Speaker 1: I talked to Eric and then often not daily, but

999
00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:25,720
Speaker 1: often um in you know, April, May and June certainly,

1000
00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:28,440
Speaker 1: and actually March, April, May and June, because we did

1001
00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:30,840
Speaker 1: the majority of our cutting. We had a warm March

1002
00:53:30,920 --> 00:53:33,600
Speaker 1: here last year, so Ben and I and and Eric

1003
00:53:33,600 --> 00:53:36,400
Speaker 1: were able to get in and and um and we

1004
00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:39,319
Speaker 1: wanted to cause some disruption. Right, I'm not gonna sit

1005
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:41,680
Speaker 1: here and tell you that, you know, Eric did help

1006
00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:44,600
Speaker 1: us lay out and map out exactly where we wanted

1007
00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:46,960
Speaker 1: to cut with the chainsaws and everything that we've done

1008
00:53:47,120 --> 00:53:50,399
Speaker 1: so far, I've been incredibly happy with. I can't tell

1009
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:53,440
Speaker 1: you that I'm wrapping up like twenty years study on

1010
00:53:53,480 --> 00:53:56,200
Speaker 1: this because you know, I'm going into my second summer

1011
00:53:56,200 --> 00:53:59,200
Speaker 1: now where we've actually altered things. But we wanted there

1012
00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:05,480
Speaker 1: is literally a sea a secondary girls trees right literally

1013
00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:10,200
Speaker 1: of having um, you know, having three trunks that were

1014
00:54:10,640 --> 00:54:14,120
Speaker 1: two feet around down two four inches around and just

1015
00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:15,840
Speaker 1: an absolute see of them. Like if I told you

1016
00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:17,440
Speaker 1: to run in a straight line of stats that you could,

1017
00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:19,400
Speaker 1: you couldn't because you'd kill yourself. You know what I mean.

1018
00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:22,160
Speaker 1: It's just literally a wall. So we wanted to create

1019
00:54:22,239 --> 00:54:26,280
Speaker 1: some sort of disruption and and open up that canopy

1020
00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:28,960
Speaker 1: to get some secondary girls. And it was great because

1021
00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:31,160
Speaker 1: I went in there with Ben and we did a

1022
00:54:31,160 --> 00:54:35,200
Speaker 1: bunch of cutting and everything has kind of worked out

1023
00:54:35,239 --> 00:54:37,479
Speaker 1: exactly how we wanted to. But it was also great

1024
00:54:37,520 --> 00:54:39,680
Speaker 1: because Eric came back after we did a bunch of

1025
00:54:39,719 --> 00:54:41,960
Speaker 1: cutting and he came in the woodard us and he's like,

1026
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:44,280
Speaker 1: you guys did a great job, but you did it wrong.

1027
00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:48,480
Speaker 1: And we're like, okay, well, uh, this is fantastic to

1028
00:54:48,560 --> 00:54:50,920
Speaker 1: know because we were sitting there at high five and

1029
00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:52,719
Speaker 1: fatting ourselves on the back all the way back to

1030
00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:54,919
Speaker 1: the truck. We're a sandwich, so this is awesome going

1031
00:54:55,680 --> 00:54:58,440
Speaker 1: and and basically it was like, you didn't do it wrong,

1032
00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:02,400
Speaker 1: but you did. Basically, we did a bunch of hinge

1033
00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:05,600
Speaker 1: cutting and we did a bunch of true cutting. I

1034
00:55:05,640 --> 00:55:07,279
Speaker 1: don't know if that's really a term, but I'm gonna

1035
00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:08,920
Speaker 1: make it up. We did a bunch of true cutting,

1036
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:14,760
Speaker 1: but we didn't dismember these trees well enough and dropped

1037
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:16,839
Speaker 1: them down all the way to the fourth floor so

1038
00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:19,440
Speaker 1: that we could get really good growth coming up. We

1039
00:55:19,560 --> 00:55:22,440
Speaker 1: basically just dropped their canopies down to the ground. They

1040
00:55:22,440 --> 00:55:25,080
Speaker 1: still ate up sunlight, they still consumed ground. So we

1041
00:55:25,120 --> 00:55:28,440
Speaker 1: went in there a second time and clean them up

1042
00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:30,759
Speaker 1: even more. Once we had Eric's direction where he came

1043
00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:33,759
Speaker 1: in and you know, it's kind of funny because you know,

1044
00:55:33,760 --> 00:55:36,000
Speaker 1: we're sitting there like the protege like looking at him

1045
00:55:36,040 --> 00:55:37,719
Speaker 1: and looking at the spot and looking at him and

1046
00:55:37,719 --> 00:55:40,160
Speaker 1: going what do you think? And he's like rubbing his

1047
00:55:40,320 --> 00:55:43,000
Speaker 1: chin on and you know, you know it's bad and

1048
00:55:43,160 --> 00:55:46,560
Speaker 1: he's rubbing and saying goes, well, you know, I mean

1049
00:55:46,719 --> 00:55:49,000
Speaker 1: you did a good job, and you're like, trap, here

1050
00:55:49,080 --> 00:55:52,880
Speaker 1: we go and he's like yeah. So we did the

1051
00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:55,359
Speaker 1: cutting and we knew like and I think we're even

1052
00:55:55,360 --> 00:55:58,279
Speaker 1: gonna do more cutting this spring. Um. And then we

1053
00:55:58,320 --> 00:56:01,440
Speaker 1: took the twenty seven acres. And I'll be honest with

1054
00:56:01,480 --> 00:56:03,880
Speaker 1: I think Eric will admit this to Ben will admit this.

1055
00:56:04,040 --> 00:56:07,399
Speaker 1: I'm still per plats. I'm still sitting scratching my head.

1056
00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:09,880
Speaker 1: But we took the twenty seven acre's this open palette.

1057
00:56:09,880 --> 00:56:13,279
Speaker 1: We could do whatever we wanted, and we made an

1058
00:56:13,360 --> 00:56:16,719
Speaker 1: idea of where we wanted to plant grasses, where we

1059
00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:19,520
Speaker 1: wanted to plant food, and kind of how the deer

1060
00:56:19,640 --> 00:56:23,160
Speaker 1: might move and how some of the other animals, both

1061
00:56:23,200 --> 00:56:27,080
Speaker 1: game species like pheasants and grouse, turkeys and also non

1062
00:56:27,160 --> 00:56:29,680
Speaker 1: game species would kind of move and utilize the property.

1063
00:56:30,160 --> 00:56:34,080
Speaker 1: And so um, you know, we made the best gas

1064
00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:36,640
Speaker 1: and we went in there. We ended up planting I

1065
00:56:36,680 --> 00:56:40,080
Speaker 1: think eleven or twelve acres of switch grass, and then

1066
00:56:40,120 --> 00:56:44,000
Speaker 1: we planted some sorghum um, some soybeans, and then we

1067
00:56:44,080 --> 00:56:48,000
Speaker 1: planted a few other areas with you know, different different

1068
00:56:48,200 --> 00:56:51,920
Speaker 1: um cultures of our different different clusters of you know,

1069
00:56:52,080 --> 00:56:55,279
Speaker 1: brassicas and radishes and things like that, things that would

1070
00:56:55,280 --> 00:56:58,600
Speaker 1: give because we have harsh winters here, so we wanted, um,

1071
00:56:58,680 --> 00:57:01,719
Speaker 1: the deer and the turkeys. We wanted these animals to have,

1072
00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:04,799
Speaker 1: these larger animals to have lay season food source. And

1073
00:57:04,840 --> 00:57:07,360
Speaker 1: it's actually amazing the other animals that I'm seeing feeding

1074
00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:10,600
Speaker 1: on them now. But you know, we laid everything out,

1075
00:57:11,360 --> 00:57:13,799
Speaker 1: we made our best you know, not not I'm not

1076
00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:16,120
Speaker 1: going to say our best lay plan. We made a plan,

1077
00:57:16,240 --> 00:57:19,240
Speaker 1: because when you do this stuff, you know, you have

1078
00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:21,960
Speaker 1: to sling some crap against the wall. Right. We don't

1079
00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:24,320
Speaker 1: anyone that's gonna sit there and tell you, Okay, this

1080
00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:26,200
Speaker 1: is exactly how I'd laid the thought, and this is

1081
00:57:26,200 --> 00:57:30,360
Speaker 1: exactly how it's gonna go. And this this, this is

1082
00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:33,160
Speaker 1: going to be profession is lying to your face. Right.

1083
00:57:33,200 --> 00:57:37,280
Speaker 1: You have to try and adjust, try and adjust, try

1084
00:57:37,320 --> 00:57:41,160
Speaker 1: and adjust. And so we tried last year. Um, and

1085
00:57:41,200 --> 00:57:44,400
Speaker 1: then we took our information and then now you know,

1086
00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:49,200
Speaker 1: this spring, we'll make some adjustments for sure, but um,

1087
00:57:49,600 --> 00:57:54,000
Speaker 1: but that's essentially what we implemented was eleven acres of

1088
00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:57,560
Speaker 1: warm season grasses strategically throughout the property, most of them

1089
00:57:57,640 --> 00:58:01,560
Speaker 1: hugging the the edge of the fours um and creating

1090
00:58:01,640 --> 00:58:05,760
Speaker 1: some travel quotaurs for the deer. And then um, and

1091
00:58:05,760 --> 00:58:07,760
Speaker 1: then we planned to the bean field that we left,

1092
00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:10,240
Speaker 1: We planned to the sorghan field that we left, and

1093
00:58:10,280 --> 00:58:12,160
Speaker 1: then and then some of the green plots and stuff

1094
00:58:12,160 --> 00:58:14,360
Speaker 1: for the deer to utilize now now that it's freezing

1095
00:58:14,360 --> 00:58:17,720
Speaker 1: cold and there's snow. Yeah, So when you decided to,

1096
00:58:18,640 --> 00:58:22,080
Speaker 1: you know, do all of this work on this property,

1097
00:58:22,200 --> 00:58:26,440
Speaker 1: and especially when you were talking about planning some of

1098
00:58:26,440 --> 00:58:30,680
Speaker 1: these grasses and some of this food. You mentioned something

1099
00:58:30,760 --> 00:58:35,360
Speaker 1: about grouse and turkeys, but was your main focus on

1100
00:58:35,440 --> 00:58:38,680
Speaker 1: white tails or were you trying to better this property

1101
00:58:39,080 --> 00:58:49,000
Speaker 1: for an overall game habitat, for overall game habitat and

1102
00:58:49,000 --> 00:58:51,880
Speaker 1: and non game species. And I mean, I mean that sincessarily.

1103
00:58:51,960 --> 00:58:55,520
Speaker 1: Like I started hunting the property when Eric came and

1104
00:58:55,560 --> 00:58:58,160
Speaker 1: met with me um and ben les here and and

1105
00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:02,240
Speaker 1: you know, said what are your goals? And I said,

1106
00:59:02,280 --> 00:59:05,880
Speaker 1: I really want to create a habitat here. I mean

1107
00:59:06,040 --> 00:59:08,920
Speaker 1: definitely was interested in the white tile deer in the

1108
00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:12,160
Speaker 1: wild turkey. I very much enjoy hunting both of them.

1109
00:59:12,240 --> 00:59:17,680
Speaker 1: I very much enjoy hunting healthy populations and healthy age

1110
00:59:17,720 --> 00:59:20,160
Speaker 1: class of both those animals. And so I wanted to

1111
00:59:20,200 --> 00:59:23,960
Speaker 1: create a habitat a property that these animals called safe

1112
00:59:23,960 --> 00:59:26,840
Speaker 1: at that they weren't being over hunted at, and they

1113
00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:29,880
Speaker 1: could get some actually get some refuge from my neighbors.

1114
00:59:29,880 --> 00:59:33,520
Speaker 1: Because this is Wisconsin, right there's hunted very heavily, reffal

1115
00:59:33,520 --> 00:59:35,600
Speaker 1: season muggled or season archery season. So I wanted it

1116
00:59:35,640 --> 00:59:38,440
Speaker 1: all encompassing. But I told Eric right away, like the

1117
00:59:38,480 --> 00:59:40,600
Speaker 1: first day, he said, well, what are your goals? And

1118
00:59:40,640 --> 00:59:43,160
Speaker 1: I said, well, this may sound silly, and I'm sure

1119
00:59:43,240 --> 00:59:46,680
Speaker 1: you don't ever hear this from other clients, but I've

1120
00:59:46,720 --> 00:59:48,760
Speaker 1: been on this property now for a few years. I've

1121
00:59:49,200 --> 00:59:52,080
Speaker 1: never seen a snake on this property. I know that

1122
00:59:52,160 --> 00:59:54,560
Speaker 1: sounds silly, but with all the times of walking through

1123
00:59:54,560 --> 00:59:57,160
Speaker 1: these fields, all the times they're walking through these woods,

1124
00:59:57,160 --> 00:59:59,280
Speaker 1: and I have a few crick bottoms, and like, I've

1125
00:59:59,320 --> 01:00:02,000
Speaker 1: never seen a turtle. I've not seen a box turtle.

1126
01:00:02,080 --> 01:00:04,919
Speaker 1: I've seen a few frogs, and I have never seen

1127
01:00:04,960 --> 01:00:09,200
Speaker 1: a snake. And um, and He's like, Okay, I totally

1128
01:00:09,200 --> 01:00:12,040
Speaker 1: get that. And so it's not that I was trying

1129
01:00:12,080 --> 01:00:14,360
Speaker 1: to create a property that's crawling with snakes, although I

1130
01:00:14,400 --> 01:00:16,400
Speaker 1: would love that. I was trying to create a property

1131
01:00:16,440 --> 01:00:19,320
Speaker 1: that all of these animals. I wanted to elevate the

1132
01:00:19,520 --> 01:00:23,800
Speaker 1: entire property so that you know, the songbirds are doing better.

1133
01:00:23,960 --> 01:00:28,760
Speaker 1: The grouse, like I would um every spring when I

1134
01:00:28,800 --> 01:00:30,960
Speaker 1: was hunting turkeys, that here a couple of grows, drumming.

1135
01:00:31,080 --> 01:00:33,960
Speaker 1: That's it. This year now, since planting some of this

1136
01:00:34,080 --> 01:00:36,640
Speaker 1: food and adjusting some of the cover and getting some

1137
01:00:36,680 --> 01:00:39,360
Speaker 1: of the grasses near the field edge, I mean I've

1138
01:00:39,400 --> 01:00:42,280
Speaker 1: averaged of you know, I flushed like four to six

1139
01:00:42,320 --> 01:00:45,320
Speaker 1: grouse every time I've went out there, which is fantastic

1140
01:00:45,400 --> 01:00:48,720
Speaker 1: to see. Now, did I create more grouse? Absolutely not.

1141
01:00:48,840 --> 01:00:52,160
Speaker 1: All I did was pulled grows from my neighbors or

1142
01:00:52,240 --> 01:00:55,920
Speaker 1: pull grouse centrally to utilize the food and habit that

1143
01:00:56,040 --> 01:00:58,560
Speaker 1: that I planted. But in the long run, this is

1144
01:00:58,600 --> 01:01:00,760
Speaker 1: definitely going to you know, this will bump off the

1145
01:01:00,760 --> 01:01:04,040
Speaker 1: grouse habitat. But it was a total ecosystem change that

1146
01:01:04,120 --> 01:01:07,720
Speaker 1: I wanted to do with an emphasis on the white

1147
01:01:07,760 --> 01:01:09,920
Speaker 1: to thea right. If I wasn't a deer hunter, I

1148
01:01:09,960 --> 01:01:13,760
Speaker 1: probably would have put in even more grasses and and

1149
01:01:13,800 --> 01:01:16,760
Speaker 1: did even more betting and try to increase some natural

1150
01:01:16,840 --> 01:01:19,040
Speaker 1: browsing different things like that if I didn't want to,

1151
01:01:19,200 --> 01:01:20,560
Speaker 1: if I didn't want to hunt the deer and I

1152
01:01:20,560 --> 01:01:23,160
Speaker 1: didn't want them to to reside on the properties, that

1153
01:01:23,240 --> 01:01:28,280
Speaker 1: make sense, ye, sure. So, so Dan planted his first

1154
01:01:28,320 --> 01:01:30,880
Speaker 1: food plot this year. And I've been planning and doing

1155
01:01:30,880 --> 01:01:33,880
Speaker 1: different habitat management type projects for probably five or six

1156
01:01:33,960 --> 01:01:35,600
Speaker 1: or seven years now. And we were just talking a

1157
01:01:35,600 --> 01:01:40,240
Speaker 1: little while ago about this kind of intangible feeling of

1158
01:01:40,280 --> 01:01:44,480
Speaker 1: accomplishment or something special about doing this kind of work

1159
01:01:44,560 --> 01:01:47,800
Speaker 1: and giving back to the wildlife and and and that

1160
01:01:47,840 --> 01:01:50,440
Speaker 1: little piece of ground there you're working on. Did you

1161
01:01:50,480 --> 01:01:52,400
Speaker 1: feel at all after doing these projects and now that

1162
01:01:52,440 --> 01:01:55,360
Speaker 1: you're kind of interacting with this landscape in a different way,

1163
01:01:58,880 --> 01:02:04,040
Speaker 1: you know what? It's absolutely I mean, you know, get

1164
01:02:04,120 --> 01:02:08,479
Speaker 1: tremendous value in watching, you know, sitting in a tree

1165
01:02:08,480 --> 01:02:11,560
Speaker 1: stand or in the ground blind or even just um

1166
01:02:11,600 --> 01:02:14,440
Speaker 1: being out there and glassing and seeing you know, a

1167
01:02:14,480 --> 01:02:16,880
Speaker 1: big fat dough come out of the woods with two

1168
01:02:16,920 --> 01:02:19,720
Speaker 1: fonds and they're out there cooker in their town. They're

1169
01:02:19,760 --> 01:02:22,880
Speaker 1: running around like mad men and they're eating. And you know,

1170
01:02:22,960 --> 01:02:26,400
Speaker 1: you're watching these plants that you planted, that you purchased.

1171
01:02:26,440 --> 01:02:29,080
Speaker 1: Right this is expensive, you know, and and a lot

1172
01:02:29,120 --> 01:02:33,840
Speaker 1: of work went into this. Consulting Ben consulting, Eric, we

1173
01:02:33,840 --> 01:02:37,160
Speaker 1: we we got all of our seeds from a company. UM.

1174
01:02:37,960 --> 01:02:39,280
Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys have ever worked with

1175
01:02:39,720 --> 01:02:42,760
Speaker 1: Have you ever heard of Merit seed in Ohio? I have

1176
01:02:42,720 --> 01:02:47,120
Speaker 1: have not? Okay, so Merit seed n e R I

1177
01:02:47,280 --> 01:02:48,960
Speaker 1: T just put it in the back of your brains.

1178
01:02:48,960 --> 01:02:52,480
Speaker 1: There's a guy there named John, There's a wildlife genius.

1179
01:02:52,800 --> 01:02:55,000
Speaker 1: And I would call John like when I couldn't get

1180
01:02:55,000 --> 01:02:57,360
Speaker 1: ahold of Eric, or Eric would call it John, their friends.

1181
01:02:57,400 --> 01:02:59,560
Speaker 1: They worked together all the time. But I would call

1182
01:02:59,680 --> 01:03:02,760
Speaker 1: him and talk to him about all these different plants

1183
01:03:02,840 --> 01:03:07,040
Speaker 1: and seedings, and and he's just a wildlife freak. He

1184
01:03:07,160 --> 01:03:10,800
Speaker 1: just loved growing wild life. So, you know, consulting all

1185
01:03:10,800 --> 01:03:14,080
Speaker 1: these different gentlemen, buying the seed, buying all these different

1186
01:03:14,080 --> 01:03:16,880
Speaker 1: things that go into the property, and then actually seeing it.

1187
01:03:17,000 --> 01:03:20,120
Speaker 1: And I actually seen the animals utilizing it, actually seeing

1188
01:03:20,120 --> 01:03:23,240
Speaker 1: them hoping they're gonna have not such a harsh winter

1189
01:03:23,320 --> 01:03:26,360
Speaker 1: and hopefully they're gonna grow big and strong and fulfill

1190
01:03:26,440 --> 01:03:29,720
Speaker 1: their lives. Only a couple of them are gonna potentially

1191
01:03:29,760 --> 01:03:35,040
Speaker 1: get killed by my bow or a friend's arrow. And uh,

1192
01:03:35,360 --> 01:03:37,800
Speaker 1: but the value, the value of seeing it and the

1193
01:03:37,880 --> 01:03:42,120
Speaker 1: value value of experiencing it is tremendous, tremendous. I just

1194
01:03:42,160 --> 01:03:45,360
Speaker 1: went out there the other day two weeks ago. Maybe

1195
01:03:45,400 --> 01:03:48,480
Speaker 1: I've never seen a pheasant on the property ever, never,

1196
01:03:48,520 --> 01:03:51,320
Speaker 1: ever have I seen a pheasant, And just naturally walking

1197
01:03:51,360 --> 01:03:53,600
Speaker 1: through there's I have an old growth field that I

1198
01:03:53,720 --> 01:03:56,560
Speaker 1: just left as it is. It's all golden rod and

1199
01:03:56,560 --> 01:04:00,560
Speaker 1: and grasses and some shrubbery. Some of those are dog

1200
01:04:00,640 --> 01:04:04,840
Speaker 1: with things. Again, I walked through there. Um I flushed.

1201
01:04:06,280 --> 01:04:09,600
Speaker 1: I flushed six hens and three roosters. I've never seen

1202
01:04:09,600 --> 01:04:12,800
Speaker 1: a pasant on the property. It's just just cool seeing it,

1203
01:04:12,840 --> 01:04:16,720
Speaker 1: you know, it's just fantastic seeing I saw several snakes

1204
01:04:16,800 --> 01:04:19,760
Speaker 1: this summer. I saw a box turtle, like you know,

1205
01:04:19,800 --> 01:04:22,440
Speaker 1: it's just it's just cool to see these things. And again,

1206
01:04:23,000 --> 01:04:25,480
Speaker 1: I don't have this delusion that we have changed the

1207
01:04:25,520 --> 01:04:28,120
Speaker 1: world in a single year, but I know we've made

1208
01:04:28,160 --> 01:04:33,760
Speaker 1: some enhancement that have made these animals move in um,

1209
01:04:33,800 --> 01:04:36,080
Speaker 1: and it's just really cool. It's it's really cool to

1210
01:04:36,120 --> 01:04:40,000
Speaker 1: see and and and feel. And I know, I remember

1211
01:04:40,040 --> 01:04:42,160
Speaker 1: I made a comment to you at our last podcast

1212
01:04:42,200 --> 01:04:44,520
Speaker 1: where I said, and I don't have any bucks anymore.

1213
01:04:44,600 --> 01:04:49,400
Speaker 1: You remember that, Yeah, And so it's funny because I

1214
01:04:49,440 --> 01:04:52,040
Speaker 1: had a couple of people write me and say, oh

1215
01:04:52,040 --> 01:04:54,520
Speaker 1: my god, like you got rid of your box and

1216
01:04:54,640 --> 01:04:57,880
Speaker 1: oh my god, like this Eric guy got rid of

1217
01:04:57,880 --> 01:05:00,400
Speaker 1: your box. And I just thought, oh my god, No,

1218
01:05:00,560 --> 01:05:04,200
Speaker 1: I can't believe that people think that we have the

1219
01:05:04,240 --> 01:05:10,000
Speaker 1: ability too, you know, grow white tailed deer or two

1220
01:05:10,760 --> 01:05:14,560
Speaker 1: produce whitetailed deer in a fashion of if you you know,

1221
01:05:14,680 --> 01:05:16,680
Speaker 1: if you're hiring a white tail manager to come on

1222
01:05:16,760 --> 01:05:18,600
Speaker 1: your property. I'm sure you guys know this. I hope

1223
01:05:18,600 --> 01:05:20,120
Speaker 1: you know this. But if you're hiring a white tulp

1224
01:05:20,160 --> 01:05:23,640
Speaker 1: property to come onto your land and and alter your land,

1225
01:05:23,760 --> 01:05:26,880
Speaker 1: and suddenly there's gonna be a hundred sixty d sev

1226
01:05:27,840 --> 01:05:31,400
Speaker 1: deer running all around and you have to work less too,

1227
01:05:31,760 --> 01:05:35,680
Speaker 1: um shoot big giant box old boxing, and this is

1228
01:05:35,720 --> 01:05:38,480
Speaker 1: why you're doing it, then I think you're doing it

1229
01:05:38,560 --> 01:05:42,240
Speaker 1: for a tremendously wrong reason. And and I think that

1230
01:05:42,280 --> 01:05:47,440
Speaker 1: you're gonna probably be greatly disappointed in that wildlife manager's

1231
01:05:47,480 --> 01:05:52,520
Speaker 1: ability to turn your property into shang rulat what what

1232
01:05:52,560 --> 01:05:54,640
Speaker 1: you're paying for? This is in my mind's diet, what

1233
01:05:54,680 --> 01:05:57,320
Speaker 1: you're paying for. It is, well, this is how I

1234
01:05:57,360 --> 01:06:00,160
Speaker 1: think about it. You're paying for that wallet man, your

1235
01:06:00,320 --> 01:06:05,200
Speaker 1: failures and sample set, his data set that's in his head.

1236
01:06:05,240 --> 01:06:09,480
Speaker 1: Like Eric has set up a billion more properties than

1237
01:06:09,520 --> 01:06:12,920
Speaker 1: I have, He's failed as setting up a billion more

1238
01:06:13,000 --> 01:06:16,080
Speaker 1: properties than I have. Because anything that any of us do.

1239
01:06:16,280 --> 01:06:19,160
Speaker 1: You know, if he wanted to make a film, if

1240
01:06:19,480 --> 01:06:23,000
Speaker 1: he attempted to make a hunting film, I'm sure that thing.

1241
01:06:23,120 --> 01:06:27,240
Speaker 1: I'm positive his first hunting film would be not good.

1242
01:06:27,520 --> 01:06:29,840
Speaker 1: And if you would have come to me. I could say, hey,

1243
01:06:30,720 --> 01:06:33,480
Speaker 1: look at if you did these three things here, I

1244
01:06:33,600 --> 01:06:35,560
Speaker 1: made these same mistakes. You know. It's just like we

1245
01:06:35,640 --> 01:06:39,080
Speaker 1: do anything in life. But um I had some people

1246
01:06:39,120 --> 01:06:40,480
Speaker 1: right and you're like, oh my god, he got rid

1247
01:06:40,480 --> 01:06:41,960
Speaker 1: of your box and just made me laugh. It's like, no,

1248
01:06:42,000 --> 01:06:44,200
Speaker 1: he didn't get rid of my box. My box probably

1249
01:06:44,240 --> 01:06:46,959
Speaker 1: got shot, not my box. Can you even I can't

1250
01:06:46,960 --> 01:06:51,360
Speaker 1: believe I'm even saying this. The boss probably probably got

1251
01:06:51,440 --> 01:06:54,280
Speaker 1: I mean, this isn't Disney, probably got shot by my neighbors,

1252
01:06:54,440 --> 01:06:58,560
Speaker 1: or moved over to another neighbor who planted a field

1253
01:06:58,680 --> 01:07:01,600
Speaker 1: and didn't harvest it because it was too wet or whatever. Like.

1254
01:07:01,680 --> 01:07:05,160
Speaker 1: These animals are free to move throughout their range. And

1255
01:07:05,720 --> 01:07:09,880
Speaker 1: I actually found it quite comical that, Um, I had

1256
01:07:09,920 --> 01:07:12,120
Speaker 1: several bucks the year before, and then I went in

1257
01:07:12,440 --> 01:07:14,000
Speaker 1: and then we did all this work, and then this

1258
01:07:14,200 --> 01:07:17,040
Speaker 1: year I'm sitting They're going, it's not funny. We spent

1259
01:07:17,120 --> 01:07:19,120
Speaker 1: all this money, did all this work, all this blood,

1260
01:07:19,120 --> 01:07:23,280
Speaker 1: sweat and tears, and and I'm seeing less dear less, mature,

1261
01:07:23,360 --> 01:07:26,200
Speaker 1: antler deer than I was the year before. Fast forward

1262
01:07:26,560 --> 01:07:30,120
Speaker 1: to right now. So we we did that podcast in November.

1263
01:07:30,120 --> 01:07:32,880
Speaker 1: Did that song right or was that December? I think

1264
01:07:32,880 --> 01:07:36,840
Speaker 1: it was late November, Okay, so I think it was beginning. Yeah,

1265
01:07:36,840 --> 01:07:39,360
Speaker 1: I think it right because the beginning of December um

1266
01:07:39,440 --> 01:07:42,160
Speaker 1: and actually made me chuckle because I went out there. Um,

1267
01:07:42,200 --> 01:07:43,760
Speaker 1: I had been out of property a long time. I

1268
01:07:43,840 --> 01:07:46,600
Speaker 1: checked my cameras and boom, I had like five or

1269
01:07:46,640 --> 01:07:49,720
Speaker 1: six big deer that I've never seen before, and now

1270
01:07:49,760 --> 01:07:52,200
Speaker 1: they're residing on my place. How they got there, I

1271
01:07:52,240 --> 01:07:55,680
Speaker 1: don't know, But I created the type of haboitcat that

1272
01:07:55,800 --> 01:07:58,880
Speaker 1: makes it very welcoming in the late season. Will they

1273
01:07:58,960 --> 01:08:02,000
Speaker 1: stay next year? Wud else? I don't care. But I

1274
01:08:02,120 --> 01:08:04,520
Speaker 1: just want to do better things for my property, do

1275
01:08:04,560 --> 01:08:07,200
Speaker 1: better things through my neighborhood. Do I care if my

1276
01:08:07,200 --> 01:08:09,640
Speaker 1: neighbor shoots a big buck that lives on my property.

1277
01:08:09,680 --> 01:08:13,040
Speaker 1: Absolutely not. I just want everything in the area to

1278
01:08:13,080 --> 01:08:18,599
Speaker 1: get better. And so it's it's very rewarding. It's tremendously rewarding.

1279
01:08:18,640 --> 01:08:21,960
Speaker 1: But if you're chasing big deer, um, you might end

1280
01:08:22,040 --> 01:08:25,120
Speaker 1: up being disappointed at the end of the road, at

1281
01:08:25,120 --> 01:08:27,760
Speaker 1: the end of the journey. Yeah. And it's a process.

1282
01:08:27,800 --> 01:08:31,040
Speaker 1: It's a process. And to your point, if all you're

1283
01:08:31,080 --> 01:08:34,320
Speaker 1: concerned about is the eventual outcome or whatever your outcome

1284
01:08:34,360 --> 01:08:36,439
Speaker 1: in your head is, You're gonna be very disappointed if

1285
01:08:36,479 --> 01:08:38,560
Speaker 1: you aren't also enjoying the process and the fact that

1286
01:08:38,600 --> 01:08:41,120
Speaker 1: it takes time and takes work, and that stuff has

1287
01:08:41,200 --> 01:08:45,400
Speaker 1: value in and of itself. So and it will never

1288
01:08:45,439 --> 01:08:48,000
Speaker 1: live up to your expectations, right, it will never ever

1289
01:08:48,080 --> 01:08:50,240
Speaker 1: Even if you kill a one eight, then what next

1290
01:08:50,320 --> 01:08:52,559
Speaker 1: year you want a one ninety? Like That's that's not

1291
01:08:52,640 --> 01:08:54,400
Speaker 1: how to go about this thing. I think if you

1292
01:08:54,479 --> 01:08:57,839
Speaker 1: change habitat more than dear, you're gonna come out winning

1293
01:08:57,840 --> 01:09:01,960
Speaker 1: on all sides. So so on this, on this kind

1294
01:09:01,960 --> 01:09:07,960
Speaker 1: of topic, we talked well, whenever it was late November

1295
01:09:08,000 --> 01:09:10,679
Speaker 1: early December we last talked. You talked about the fact

1296
01:09:10,680 --> 01:09:13,599
Speaker 1: that you had read Elder Leopold's Book of Sand County

1297
01:09:13,640 --> 01:09:15,360
Speaker 1: Almanac a number of times. I think you maybe even

1298
01:09:15,360 --> 01:09:16,720
Speaker 1: said that you you try to read it once a

1299
01:09:16,800 --> 01:09:19,280
Speaker 1: year or something like that, and um, I picked it

1300
01:09:19,360 --> 01:09:21,559
Speaker 1: up again recently and was looking at it again recently.

1301
01:09:21,760 --> 01:09:23,240
Speaker 1: And a lot of this stuff we're talking about now,

1302
01:09:23,240 --> 01:09:26,639
Speaker 1: you know, giving back to a property or conservation, whether

1303
01:09:26,640 --> 01:09:28,840
Speaker 1: it being a small personal scale or a big public

1304
01:09:28,960 --> 01:09:31,680
Speaker 1: land scale. It's got me thinking a lot about the

1305
01:09:31,760 --> 01:09:35,519
Speaker 1: land ethic that Leopold talked about in his book, and

1306
01:09:36,120 --> 01:09:38,120
Speaker 1: I kind of wanted to pick your brain about that

1307
01:09:38,200 --> 01:09:40,400
Speaker 1: land ethic we've never talked about in the podcast before

1308
01:09:40,400 --> 01:09:42,439
Speaker 1: for people. But I think people hear the name, although

1309
01:09:42,479 --> 01:09:45,080
Speaker 1: Leopold a lot here has kind of float that name

1310
01:09:45,120 --> 01:09:48,320
Speaker 1: out there, but maybe people don't really know what he

1311
01:09:48,600 --> 01:09:51,479
Speaker 1: was suggesting, what he was recommending and how that maybe

1312
01:09:51,760 --> 01:09:54,360
Speaker 1: has has kind of changed the path of the conservation

1313
01:09:54,400 --> 01:09:56,519
Speaker 1: movement to a degree here in the last fifty years

1314
01:09:56,600 --> 01:09:58,640
Speaker 1: or so. So if you guys will indulge me for

1315
01:09:58,680 --> 01:10:01,519
Speaker 1: a quick second here for those that haven't read the book,

1316
01:10:01,520 --> 01:10:03,920
Speaker 1: I just wanted to read a passage here real quick,

1317
01:10:03,960 --> 01:10:05,720
Speaker 1: and then I wanted to get your your thoughts on it.

1318
01:10:05,800 --> 01:10:10,920
Speaker 1: Donning so excuse my poor reading skills if I fumble here,

1319
01:10:10,960 --> 01:10:13,120
Speaker 1: but but real quick from a sand County element, I

1320
01:10:13,160 --> 01:10:15,800
Speaker 1: want to quote this right here. Although said that all

1321
01:10:15,960 --> 01:10:19,360
Speaker 1: ethics so far evolved rest upon a single premise that

1322
01:10:19,479 --> 01:10:23,160
Speaker 1: the individual is a member of a community of interdependent parts.

1323
01:10:23,200 --> 01:10:25,479
Speaker 1: His instincts prompt him to compete for his place in

1324
01:10:25,479 --> 01:10:28,960
Speaker 1: that community, but his ethics prompted him also to cooperate,

1325
01:10:29,320 --> 01:10:31,160
Speaker 1: perhaps in order that there may be a place to

1326
01:10:31,200 --> 01:10:35,040
Speaker 1: compete for. The land ethic simply enlarges the boundaries of

1327
01:10:35,040 --> 01:10:39,000
Speaker 1: the community to include soils, waters, plants, and animals, or

1328
01:10:39,040 --> 01:10:43,200
Speaker 1: collectively the land. This sounds simple. Do we not already

1329
01:10:43,200 --> 01:10:45,360
Speaker 1: sing our love for and the obligation to the land

1330
01:10:45,400 --> 01:10:47,880
Speaker 1: of the free and the home of the brave? Yes?

1331
01:10:48,479 --> 01:10:51,360
Speaker 1: But just what in whom do we love? Certainly not

1332
01:10:51,439 --> 01:10:55,080
Speaker 1: the soil which we're sending helter skelter downriver. Certainly, not

1333
01:10:55,160 --> 01:10:58,000
Speaker 1: the waters, which we assume have no function function except

1334
01:10:58,080 --> 01:11:01,679
Speaker 1: to turn turboines, float barges, and care off sewage. Certainly,

1335
01:11:01,680 --> 01:11:04,160
Speaker 1: not the plants of which we exterminate whole communities without

1336
01:11:04,160 --> 01:11:06,720
Speaker 1: batting an eye. Certainly not of the animals of which

1337
01:11:06,720 --> 01:11:08,840
Speaker 1: we have already extirpated many of the largest and most

1338
01:11:08,880 --> 01:11:12,000
Speaker 1: beautiful species. A land, I think, of course, cannot prevent

1339
01:11:12,040 --> 01:11:15,840
Speaker 1: the alteration, management, and use of these resources. But it

1340
01:11:15,880 --> 01:11:18,760
Speaker 1: does affirm the right to continued existence, and, at least

1341
01:11:18,760 --> 01:11:22,920
Speaker 1: in spots, their continued existence in a natural state. In short,

1342
01:11:22,960 --> 01:11:25,519
Speaker 1: a land ethic changes the role of Homo sapiens from

1343
01:11:25,560 --> 01:11:28,719
Speaker 1: conquer of the land community to plane member and citizen

1344
01:11:28,800 --> 01:11:31,840
Speaker 1: of it. It implies respect for his fellow members and

1345
01:11:31,920 --> 01:11:36,920
Speaker 1: also respect for the community as such. So Downny there

1346
01:11:37,160 --> 01:11:40,200
Speaker 1: is a brief snapshot of what Eldo Leopold was talking

1347
01:11:40,240 --> 01:11:41,920
Speaker 1: about when he said that we need to have this

1348
01:11:41,920 --> 01:11:45,439
Speaker 1: this land ethic. What what does that mean to you?

1349
01:11:45,479 --> 01:11:47,800
Speaker 1: How do you interpret those words from Eldo and how

1350
01:11:47,840 --> 01:11:51,760
Speaker 1: has that kind of been played out through your life? Maybe?

1351
01:11:52,760 --> 01:11:58,000
Speaker 1: Wells Um, you know it's in a word, it's harmony, right, Um.

1352
01:11:58,000 --> 01:12:00,360
Speaker 1: In a word, he describes that we're not here, and

1353
01:12:00,400 --> 01:12:03,360
Speaker 1: you can you can hear it in his writing. Um,

1354
01:12:03,400 --> 01:12:07,200
Speaker 1: you know we're not here. Um. To use everything. Having

1355
01:12:07,280 --> 01:12:11,160
Speaker 1: a renewable resource doesn't mean that you use it beyond

1356
01:12:11,240 --> 01:12:16,800
Speaker 1: belief for selfish reasons to make your life better, your

1357
01:12:16,880 --> 01:12:21,920
Speaker 1: life easier, and to propel the mechanized world and and

1358
01:12:22,000 --> 01:12:27,120
Speaker 1: make your you know, your day, Uh, you know, less busy,

1359
01:12:27,320 --> 01:12:31,200
Speaker 1: less full of hard work. Um. It's it's much more

1360
01:12:31,240 --> 01:12:35,840
Speaker 1: about you existing within the land and contributing as much

1361
01:12:35,880 --> 01:12:41,200
Speaker 1: as you're taking and and being being one with the land. Right.

1362
01:12:41,200 --> 01:12:48,240
Speaker 1: It's it's um, he's absolutely absolutely. You can catch and

1363
01:12:48,320 --> 01:12:51,040
Speaker 1: keep a fish and enjoy a fish for dinner. You

1364
01:12:51,080 --> 01:12:55,680
Speaker 1: can shoot a dock and shoot a deer and um,

1365
01:12:55,760 --> 01:12:59,640
Speaker 1: and you can cut trees down, but certainly all of it,

1366
01:13:00,000 --> 01:13:02,640
Speaker 1: whether you're killing a deer or planting a tree or

1367
01:13:02,680 --> 01:13:05,600
Speaker 1: cutting a tree down, um, all of it has to

1368
01:13:05,640 --> 01:13:09,720
Speaker 1: be done with great wherewithal on what your contribution is

1369
01:13:10,200 --> 01:13:12,840
Speaker 1: and what you're taking away from the resource, and how

1370
01:13:12,880 --> 01:13:17,240
Speaker 1: you're belonging in the resource, not dominating the resource, belonging

1371
01:13:17,360 --> 01:13:21,320
Speaker 1: in the resource, and so um in my life it

1372
01:13:21,400 --> 01:13:24,200
Speaker 1: has been you know, I had to learn these things.

1373
01:13:24,240 --> 01:13:28,920
Speaker 1: Obviously I didn't have this in not genius enough for

1374
01:13:29,280 --> 01:13:31,120
Speaker 1: at all to have this in my mind as a

1375
01:13:31,120 --> 01:13:35,439
Speaker 1: young man. So as I learned these principles, things that

1376
01:13:35,920 --> 01:13:38,160
Speaker 1: we're stirring in the back of my mind started to

1377
01:13:38,200 --> 01:13:41,840
Speaker 1: make sense. Uh. You know, when I was coming when

1378
01:13:41,840 --> 01:13:44,640
Speaker 1: I had encounters with grizzly bears, or I had encounters

1379
01:13:44,640 --> 01:13:48,120
Speaker 1: with different animals and different situations in my life, I

1380
01:13:48,280 --> 01:13:52,679
Speaker 1: really appreciated them and and wasn't I just wasn't always

1381
01:13:52,720 --> 01:13:56,719
Speaker 1: this um for lack of a better term, bloodthirsty hunter.

1382
01:13:56,800 --> 01:13:59,880
Speaker 1: It wasn't. I just didn't want to just um kill

1383
01:14:00,000 --> 01:14:02,760
Speaker 1: as much as I could and take away from the

1384
01:14:02,840 --> 01:14:04,599
Speaker 1: land as much as I could. When I was in

1385
01:14:04,640 --> 01:14:08,679
Speaker 1: these places, I wanted to envelope myself into the place

1386
01:14:08,760 --> 01:14:12,680
Speaker 1: as much as I could exist with the wildlife, with

1387
01:14:12,840 --> 01:14:15,639
Speaker 1: the fishes, with the plant as much as I could

1388
01:14:15,640 --> 01:14:18,439
Speaker 1: and participate in the present. And I didn't. Again, I

1389
01:14:18,439 --> 01:14:20,160
Speaker 1: didn't know any of the stuff. And then I started

1390
01:14:20,200 --> 01:14:23,439
Speaker 1: reading his writings and some other writings and some other

1391
01:14:24,160 --> 01:14:27,240
Speaker 1: um conservationists and the hunters, that I started to realize

1392
01:14:27,240 --> 01:14:30,000
Speaker 1: that that that's where I was getting. I had some

1393
01:14:30,080 --> 01:14:33,639
Speaker 1: similar concepts in my head that that they were lining out.

1394
01:14:33,640 --> 01:14:36,320
Speaker 1: And of course he's a beautiful, brilliant writer, and he

1395
01:14:36,400 --> 01:14:41,800
Speaker 1: had tremendous respect for the smallest pieces of land, and

1396
01:14:41,840 --> 01:14:44,000
Speaker 1: one of the things he also had that I have

1397
01:14:44,200 --> 01:14:47,000
Speaker 1: no idea how he accomplished this, but he had a

1398
01:14:47,080 --> 01:14:50,880
Speaker 1: fantastic idea of the history of the land. And maybe

1399
01:14:50,880 --> 01:14:54,160
Speaker 1: it was easier back then, maybe there were such significant

1400
01:14:54,280 --> 01:14:57,759
Speaker 1: events that went on and there was such a small

1401
01:14:57,880 --> 01:15:01,840
Speaker 1: human population that you could really put your finger down

1402
01:15:01,880 --> 01:15:04,879
Speaker 1: on timelines and really lay it out. But he literally

1403
01:15:05,720 --> 01:15:09,760
Speaker 1: has such a mental timeline, such a date book in

1404
01:15:09,840 --> 01:15:13,200
Speaker 1: his head of when things happened and how big changes

1405
01:15:13,240 --> 01:15:15,959
Speaker 1: happened and why they happened. And like he's talking about

1406
01:15:16,000 --> 01:15:19,840
Speaker 1: the extirpation of these major animals, well, that's all of

1407
01:15:19,920 --> 01:15:23,120
Speaker 1: that is from overuse from human beings. Everything that he

1408
01:15:23,240 --> 01:15:27,600
Speaker 1: listed off, everything, the commonality, the one commonality is the

1409
01:15:27,680 --> 01:15:31,760
Speaker 1: human being. And um, we're the ones that create overuse.

1410
01:15:32,200 --> 01:15:34,600
Speaker 1: We're the ones that are burning down entire pastures for

1411
01:15:35,800 --> 01:15:39,000
Speaker 1: you know, what he quotes is no particular reason. Um,

1412
01:15:39,240 --> 01:15:41,320
Speaker 1: someone else, you know, the rancher, if you will, just

1413
01:15:41,479 --> 01:15:43,639
Speaker 1: picking this out. But the rancher might think he has

1414
01:15:43,640 --> 01:15:46,559
Speaker 1: a tremendous reason. I have to create more brows from

1415
01:15:46,560 --> 01:15:49,200
Speaker 1: my cows. Um, and this is how this all works.

1416
01:15:49,240 --> 01:15:53,400
Speaker 1: But for him, he's saying, there's there's a way to

1417
01:15:53,479 --> 01:15:57,960
Speaker 1: do this in harmony, and can you do with eight

1418
01:15:57,960 --> 01:16:00,720
Speaker 1: billion people on the globe. Absolutely not. So we've had

1419
01:16:00,760 --> 01:16:05,760
Speaker 1: to make we've had to make up you know, adjustments

1420
01:16:05,800 --> 01:16:08,760
Speaker 1: all along the way. And that's where you start to

1421
01:16:08,800 --> 01:16:12,200
Speaker 1: have these extirpations of animals, right when you when you

1422
01:16:12,320 --> 01:16:15,519
Speaker 1: realize that, you know, Minnesota used to have woodland carible

1423
01:16:15,600 --> 01:16:17,799
Speaker 1: in it. Why doesn't have littleland caribou in it anymore?

1424
01:16:18,439 --> 01:16:20,479
Speaker 1: Because the white tail deer pushed them out, Because the

1425
01:16:20,479 --> 01:16:23,120
Speaker 1: white til deer started become more successful, because the different

1426
01:16:23,200 --> 01:16:26,000
Speaker 1: edges that were being created. You know, people talk about

1427
01:16:26,040 --> 01:16:28,080
Speaker 1: back in the day, but there were so few white

1428
01:16:28,080 --> 01:16:30,759
Speaker 1: deil beer that if you saw one, you told everyone

1429
01:16:30,800 --> 01:16:33,680
Speaker 1: in town about it. And now we have them everywhere,

1430
01:16:33,680 --> 01:16:36,719
Speaker 1: and people think, oh my god, we're doing such amazing

1431
01:16:36,760 --> 01:16:40,040
Speaker 1: things with management. We now have deer everywhere, But people

1432
01:16:40,080 --> 01:16:45,519
Speaker 1: don't realize that this animal has become incredibly abundant because

1433
01:16:45,560 --> 01:16:47,880
Speaker 1: of the changes that we've done to the landscape, the

1434
01:16:47,960 --> 01:16:51,000
Speaker 1: force we've cut down, the fields that we've burned, the

1435
01:16:51,120 --> 01:16:54,000
Speaker 1: fires that we've stopped when they needed to burn, and

1436
01:16:54,120 --> 01:16:59,200
Speaker 1: thus these animals become overpopulated. And you can cheer about

1437
01:16:59,240 --> 01:17:02,479
Speaker 1: this and think you're the champion of bringing these animals

1438
01:17:02,520 --> 01:17:05,880
Speaker 1: to a greater population, but it really wasn't meant to

1439
01:17:05,880 --> 01:17:10,240
Speaker 1: be right. These animals thrived in a smaller population in

1440
01:17:10,320 --> 01:17:12,680
Speaker 1: a big forest. And I'm just using this as a

1441
01:17:12,720 --> 01:17:16,439
Speaker 1: single example, as people you know, are fixated on deer,

1442
01:17:16,600 --> 01:17:18,800
Speaker 1: fixated on this type of movement. But you see what

1443
01:17:18,840 --> 01:17:21,320
Speaker 1: I'm saying. There was a there was a harmony with

1444
01:17:21,400 --> 01:17:24,040
Speaker 1: each thing that we do. We are creating way more

1445
01:17:24,120 --> 01:17:27,719
Speaker 1: disruption than we are harmony. And I think that's where

1446
01:17:27,720 --> 01:17:31,040
Speaker 1: he really lived with his ideas. That's why his writing

1447
01:17:31,160 --> 01:17:33,960
Speaker 1: is so beautiful and so eloquent because you can see

1448
01:17:33,960 --> 01:17:36,880
Speaker 1: in his heart and in his words that he wanted

1449
01:17:36,880 --> 01:17:39,760
Speaker 1: that harmony. And when you read about it and see it,

1450
01:17:39,800 --> 01:17:41,960
Speaker 1: whether he's cutting down a dead tree or cutting up

1451
01:17:41,960 --> 01:17:44,240
Speaker 1: a dead tree, or catching a trout and putting in

1452
01:17:44,280 --> 01:17:48,479
Speaker 1: his creole, everything was done with tremendous wherewithal and it's

1453
01:17:48,479 --> 01:17:54,960
Speaker 1: it's a really fantastic notion to belong to. Yeah, yeah, agree. So,

1454
01:17:54,960 --> 01:17:58,040
Speaker 1: so Elda wrote this back in the forties, I think

1455
01:17:58,120 --> 01:18:02,080
Speaker 1: late forties or early fifties, and so he had these

1456
01:18:02,120 --> 01:18:04,920
Speaker 1: ideas and he was, you know, talking about this given

1457
01:18:04,960 --> 01:18:07,519
Speaker 1: the context of that time period and the impacts that

1458
01:18:07,520 --> 01:18:09,120
Speaker 1: have already been seeing at that timp here. But now

1459
01:18:09,160 --> 01:18:11,160
Speaker 1: fast forward, you know, sixty five years or whatever has

1460
01:18:11,200 --> 01:18:13,920
Speaker 1: been now when you're looking at the world we live

1461
01:18:13,960 --> 01:18:18,000
Speaker 1: in today and the situation we have with wildlife and land,

1462
01:18:19,400 --> 01:18:21,960
Speaker 1: do you how do you feel about this concept of

1463
01:18:22,000 --> 01:18:26,040
Speaker 1: the land ethic that although you know, recommended or hope

1464
01:18:26,080 --> 01:18:28,599
Speaker 1: described us to have we have we do you think

1465
01:18:28,600 --> 01:18:30,439
Speaker 1: we put that into play or do you see that

1466
01:18:30,560 --> 01:18:32,080
Speaker 1: we have not been able to find a land ethic

1467
01:18:32,160 --> 01:18:37,879
Speaker 1: from your perspective, No, there's there's no land ethic anymore. Um,

1468
01:18:38,000 --> 01:18:42,040
Speaker 1: that's that ship has sailed. That's why, UM, I think,

1469
01:18:42,320 --> 01:18:45,919
Speaker 1: I think so. I'm truly not smart enough to understand

1470
01:18:45,960 --> 01:18:50,880
Speaker 1: the variables UM around it in all the difference UM,

1471
01:18:50,920 --> 01:18:54,760
Speaker 1: society and human interests that come into play. But UM,

1472
01:18:55,000 --> 01:18:59,280
Speaker 1: there are definitely, certainly individuals, certainly organizations, and certainly areas

1473
01:18:59,280 --> 01:19:02,120
Speaker 1: of the world that are chasing this harmony and try

1474
01:19:02,160 --> 01:19:07,479
Speaker 1: to live in such harmony. But you know, by and

1475
01:19:07,600 --> 01:19:10,439
Speaker 1: large we have thrown that any sort of land epic

1476
01:19:10,479 --> 01:19:14,920
Speaker 1: out the window. And that's why you know myself, UM,

1477
01:19:15,040 --> 01:19:18,439
Speaker 1: that's why I I chase off to these places, right,

1478
01:19:18,479 --> 01:19:20,479
Speaker 1: That's why I love going to the Arctic Circle because

1479
01:19:20,880 --> 01:19:23,639
Speaker 1: while it's not the same unic circle that was there

1480
01:19:23,640 --> 01:19:27,439
Speaker 1: in n I still get to look around and watch

1481
01:19:27,520 --> 01:19:31,639
Speaker 1: caribou migrate, watch wolves hunt, and and watch grizzy beerris

1482
01:19:31,680 --> 01:19:33,760
Speaker 1: deep blueberries and big for the ground squirrels and I

1483
01:19:34,320 --> 01:19:37,120
Speaker 1: And that's why I celebrate the same fact of going

1484
01:19:37,160 --> 01:19:40,040
Speaker 1: and slipping into a tree stand or a ground blind

1485
01:19:40,120 --> 01:19:43,240
Speaker 1: or even off to the lease, because I might bump

1486
01:19:43,280 --> 01:19:45,320
Speaker 1: into a garter snake and I might plush it as

1487
01:19:45,360 --> 01:19:47,920
Speaker 1: an or see a deer, or see the black eyed

1488
01:19:47,920 --> 01:19:51,200
Speaker 1: Susans in full bloom, and just for that split second,

1489
01:19:51,560 --> 01:19:54,400
Speaker 1: which is very important to me, just to let split second.

1490
01:19:54,439 --> 01:19:59,120
Speaker 1: I kind of am experiencing an alleged harmony, right, I'm

1491
01:19:59,160 --> 01:20:04,480
Speaker 1: convincing my off that I'm in the woods. I'm outside. Um.

1492
01:20:04,600 --> 01:20:09,400
Speaker 1: Our lives are finite. The clock is ticking. I might

1493
01:20:09,479 --> 01:20:11,640
Speaker 1: die in my truck tonight on my way along. I

1494
01:20:11,720 --> 01:20:13,320
Speaker 1: might I might get killed in a car, I said,

1495
01:20:13,320 --> 01:20:15,360
Speaker 1: when we get off the phone with this, So I'm

1496
01:20:15,360 --> 01:20:18,719
Speaker 1: going to try to live the life. You're to live

1497
01:20:18,760 --> 01:20:21,599
Speaker 1: your life like you're dying. Is is a foolish concept.

1498
01:20:21,640 --> 01:20:24,160
Speaker 1: It's a fantastic idea, but none of us can actually

1499
01:20:24,240 --> 01:20:28,720
Speaker 1: do it. But anytime you can steal away one of

1500
01:20:28,720 --> 01:20:32,920
Speaker 1: those seconds or a moment or the present in the outdoors,

1501
01:20:33,000 --> 01:20:36,960
Speaker 1: I really think that you've conquered that that realm of

1502
01:20:37,120 --> 01:20:39,559
Speaker 1: wanting to live in the moment. And for me, all

1503
01:20:39,560 --> 01:20:44,080
Speaker 1: those little things are my little personal land ethic. Right.

1504
01:20:44,160 --> 01:20:46,240
Speaker 1: If I sit in my office and think about eight

1505
01:20:46,280 --> 01:20:50,680
Speaker 1: billion people, If I think about the Internet, Facebook, social media, Instagram,

1506
01:20:51,120 --> 01:20:54,599
Speaker 1: the elections, all the freaking nuts, so I try not

1507
01:20:54,640 --> 01:20:58,680
Speaker 1: to pay attention to any of it, um, and I

1508
01:20:59,120 --> 01:21:01,280
Speaker 1: try to just go all I try to just go

1509
01:21:01,320 --> 01:21:05,280
Speaker 1: about my life. If I could spend time in the

1510
01:21:05,320 --> 01:21:07,760
Speaker 1: wild places that I want to be and be with

1511
01:21:07,840 --> 01:21:09,920
Speaker 1: my friends and be with my family because it's very

1512
01:21:09,960 --> 01:21:12,920
Speaker 1: important to me. But I can share my life with

1513
01:21:12,960 --> 01:21:18,200
Speaker 1: the wildlife. And that's greaty as it sounds and business like,

1514
01:21:18,479 --> 01:21:20,479
Speaker 1: is this sounds if I could do that stuff and

1515
01:21:20,560 --> 01:21:24,200
Speaker 1: create films that that people really enjoy to see. If

1516
01:21:24,439 --> 01:21:26,240
Speaker 1: if you can't get to the Autic circle, but I

1517
01:21:26,280 --> 01:21:28,920
Speaker 1: can show you some sites from the Arctic circle. It

1518
01:21:29,000 --> 01:21:31,760
Speaker 1: really gives you goose bumps or makes you well up

1519
01:21:31,760 --> 01:21:34,600
Speaker 1: inside with your mind, or sit in the theater and

1520
01:21:34,600 --> 01:21:37,320
Speaker 1: and maybe kind of forget that your mouth is wide

1521
01:21:37,320 --> 01:21:39,920
Speaker 1: open or that you're even supposed to be breathing right now.

1522
01:21:40,040 --> 01:21:42,360
Speaker 1: Like that's the stuff that I really love, is trying

1523
01:21:42,400 --> 01:21:46,920
Speaker 1: to trying to celebrate this stuff through film. And you know,

1524
01:21:47,000 --> 01:21:49,920
Speaker 1: sometimes we're successful. Sometimes we fell so visibly it's not

1525
01:21:49,960 --> 01:21:53,960
Speaker 1: even funny. Um, but that's that's Those are the little

1526
01:21:54,200 --> 01:21:56,719
Speaker 1: times that I try to steal away myself, right I don't,

1527
01:21:57,800 --> 01:22:01,800
Speaker 1: I don't, Um, I just that that's hunting for me,

1528
01:22:02,080 --> 01:22:05,120
Speaker 1: that's hunting everything for me, and and um, there's a

1529
01:22:05,200 --> 01:22:07,479
Speaker 1: lot of hunting that's going on right now that's not

1530
01:22:07,560 --> 01:22:09,920
Speaker 1: for me, and I don't even care to talk about it.

1531
01:22:10,000 --> 01:22:15,000
Speaker 1: But that harmony that Aldo wrote about, um, that's what

1532
01:22:15,080 --> 01:22:17,559
Speaker 1: I want to chase the rest of my life. Yeah.

1533
01:22:18,120 --> 01:22:21,639
Speaker 1: So so for those people that that that resonates with,

1534
01:22:22,280 --> 01:22:24,080
Speaker 1: for other people out there right now that this whole

1535
01:22:24,120 --> 01:22:27,800
Speaker 1: idea resonates with. But to your point, if you sit

1536
01:22:27,920 --> 01:22:30,640
Speaker 1: and you look on the web, you know, if you

1537
01:22:30,640 --> 01:22:32,439
Speaker 1: look on the web, or if you watch the news

1538
01:22:33,040 --> 01:22:35,639
Speaker 1: or anything, I think you know, continue with Eldo quotes.

1539
01:22:35,680 --> 01:22:37,680
Speaker 1: He had some kind of he mentioned something in the

1540
01:22:37,720 --> 01:22:41,559
Speaker 1: lines of like the curse of having an education in

1541
01:22:41,600 --> 01:22:44,360
Speaker 1: ecology is the fact that you will forever live in

1542
01:22:44,360 --> 01:22:46,519
Speaker 1: a world with a million wounds, or with your eyes

1543
01:22:46,600 --> 01:22:48,639
Speaker 1: open to a world of a million wounds, you know,

1544
01:22:48,960 --> 01:22:51,519
Speaker 1: saying that when you start paying attention to the things

1545
01:22:51,560 --> 01:22:54,879
Speaker 1: going on to the land, to wildlife, to the environment,

1546
01:22:55,280 --> 01:22:56,720
Speaker 1: you all of a sudden open your eyes up to

1547
01:22:57,000 --> 01:23:01,160
Speaker 1: just so many things that are going wrong, and it

1548
01:23:01,200 --> 01:23:04,280
Speaker 1: can be like disheartening, it can be depressing. I'll sit

1549
01:23:04,320 --> 01:23:06,320
Speaker 1: here and then the more I've started paying attention to this,

1550
01:23:06,400 --> 01:23:08,400
Speaker 1: the more it's like, oh my gosh, it almost seems

1551
01:23:08,439 --> 01:23:11,240
Speaker 1: like insurmountable, Like how can we stop some of this stuff?

1552
01:23:11,280 --> 01:23:13,880
Speaker 1: How can we make a positive difference, you know, how

1553
01:23:13,920 --> 01:23:16,720
Speaker 1: can we create a world where there is some type

1554
01:23:16,760 --> 01:23:18,559
Speaker 1: of land ethic. I mean when when you sit and

1555
01:23:18,560 --> 01:23:22,600
Speaker 1: think about that stuff, what what is the answer? I

1556
01:23:22,640 --> 01:23:24,639
Speaker 1: mean for someone listening, what is the answer for that person?

1557
01:23:24,680 --> 01:23:26,760
Speaker 1: How can we all build a little bit of this

1558
01:23:26,920 --> 01:23:31,840
Speaker 1: land ethic in our own world? You have to contribute, right,

1559
01:23:31,920 --> 01:23:36,759
Speaker 1: you have to do the best you um Like, um,

1560
01:23:36,840 --> 01:23:41,080
Speaker 1: for instance, I'll talk about something so so, for instance,

1561
01:23:41,760 --> 01:23:44,719
Speaker 1: you have a quarter of an acre next to your house.

1562
01:23:45,000 --> 01:23:48,599
Speaker 1: It's just Kentucky blue grass. It's grass that you every

1563
01:23:48,600 --> 01:23:51,480
Speaker 1: Saturday morning you get up and mow that thing, and

1564
01:23:51,479 --> 01:23:54,120
Speaker 1: and you know, you sit on the riding on more.

1565
01:23:54,160 --> 01:23:56,280
Speaker 1: You push your riding on more half hoping that a

1566
01:23:56,320 --> 01:23:59,320
Speaker 1: sniper's bullet catches you on the forehead before you finish.

1567
01:23:59,680 --> 01:24:02,040
Speaker 1: But what if you took that little strip of land

1568
01:24:02,479 --> 01:24:05,880
Speaker 1: and planted, you know, grasses. What if you just said,

1569
01:24:05,880 --> 01:24:07,679
Speaker 1: you know, like this summer, I'm gonna have a project.

1570
01:24:07,680 --> 01:24:10,040
Speaker 1: I'm gonna kill this up. I'm gonna kill this Kentucky

1571
01:24:10,120 --> 01:24:12,639
Speaker 1: blue grass. I'm gonna plant grasses, or I'm gonna plant

1572
01:24:13,040 --> 01:24:17,599
Speaker 1: a little stand of of pine trees or whatever it is. Um,

1573
01:24:17,640 --> 01:24:20,559
Speaker 1: and you create a little strip of habitat next year house.

1574
01:24:20,640 --> 01:24:25,479
Speaker 1: You know, is that going to do anything ecologically towards harmony. No,

1575
01:24:25,840 --> 01:24:28,880
Speaker 1: but it's going to do a little tiny bit to

1576
01:24:29,360 --> 01:24:31,320
Speaker 1: the animals that are in your neighborhood. Is going to

1577
01:24:31,320 --> 01:24:33,320
Speaker 1: do a little tiny bit to the animals that live

1578
01:24:33,360 --> 01:24:37,120
Speaker 1: around your house, to your intrinsic value of your own home,

1579
01:24:37,560 --> 01:24:39,600
Speaker 1: because you'll see butterflies and you know, you know, you

1580
01:24:39,600 --> 01:24:41,120
Speaker 1: go out there, your son or your daughter and you're

1581
01:24:41,160 --> 01:24:44,400
Speaker 1: gonna see different song birds utilizing the grasses and you

1582
01:24:44,439 --> 01:24:47,040
Speaker 1: were seeing before and and even catching one of the

1583
01:24:47,160 --> 01:24:52,240
Speaker 1: glimpses of them, or experiencing just having some dichotomy in

1584
01:24:52,280 --> 01:24:56,320
Speaker 1: your life rather than just mowing that lawn. Is uh,

1585
01:24:56,400 --> 01:24:59,040
Speaker 1: you know, that's that's taking a step in the right direction.

1586
01:24:59,080 --> 01:25:01,280
Speaker 1: And I think, you know, we just have to go

1587
01:25:01,960 --> 01:25:03,640
Speaker 1: if you take a look around and you see all

1588
01:25:03,640 --> 01:25:06,400
Speaker 1: the ecological wounds of living with your eyes wide open,

1589
01:25:06,840 --> 01:25:10,400
Speaker 1: like Algo says, you know, you can chase yourself into

1590
01:25:10,439 --> 01:25:14,360
Speaker 1: disgust and despair, but really, um, you just have to

1591
01:25:14,400 --> 01:25:19,599
Speaker 1: try to be better. You make better decisions and and

1592
01:25:19,920 --> 01:25:23,320
Speaker 1: do everything that you can to try to perpetuate good

1593
01:25:23,840 --> 01:25:26,960
Speaker 1: And you should hunt the same way. Um. You know,

1594
01:25:27,000 --> 01:25:32,479
Speaker 1: if you're hunting for um, a four bowl elk, and

1595
01:25:32,560 --> 01:25:35,680
Speaker 1: you could care less how you do it, or you

1596
01:25:35,720 --> 01:25:38,719
Speaker 1: could care less the things that you see along the way.

1597
01:25:39,000 --> 01:25:40,840
Speaker 1: You just want to get this animal balance so you

1598
01:25:40,880 --> 01:25:42,640
Speaker 1: can snap some photos of it to throw it up

1599
01:25:42,640 --> 01:25:44,640
Speaker 1: on Instagram so all your friends can say what a

1600
01:25:44,680 --> 01:25:48,759
Speaker 1: badass you are. Um, that's just gross. It's just not

1601
01:25:49,120 --> 01:25:53,240
Speaker 1: It's just not the same hunting that that I think about.

1602
01:25:53,360 --> 01:25:56,800
Speaker 1: And we've all fallen victim to it. We've all chased

1603
01:25:56,800 --> 01:26:00,320
Speaker 1: the big animals. We've all um lost their way at times,

1604
01:26:00,360 --> 01:26:05,000
Speaker 1: that's for certain. But I think you just have to

1605
01:26:05,080 --> 01:26:08,680
Speaker 1: do little things. You have to chase the good. You

1606
01:26:08,760 --> 01:26:11,040
Speaker 1: have to be better than you are right now and

1607
01:26:11,120 --> 01:26:14,160
Speaker 1: just constantly try to make you know, make changes. I'm

1608
01:26:14,160 --> 01:26:16,360
Speaker 1: gonna do that to this you know, do that to

1609
01:26:16,400 --> 01:26:18,280
Speaker 1: this hunting least that I'm working on. I'm just going

1610
01:26:18,360 --> 01:26:20,920
Speaker 1: to try to make it better. Is me changing that

1611
01:26:20,960 --> 01:26:23,720
Speaker 1: twenty seven acre field going to do anything to the

1612
01:26:23,760 --> 01:26:28,479
Speaker 1: ecology of that neighborhood? Probably not. Um, it might do

1613
01:26:28,600 --> 01:26:31,360
Speaker 1: some really good little things. UM, I don't know. Maybe

1614
01:26:31,400 --> 01:26:34,479
Speaker 1: it's gonna have a greater impact than I think it is. UM,

1615
01:26:34,520 --> 01:26:36,120
Speaker 1: but I don't know. But I'm gonna try to just

1616
01:26:36,240 --> 01:26:39,880
Speaker 1: keep keep focusing on the good and keep trying to

1617
01:26:39,920 --> 01:26:43,880
Speaker 1: do good things. We we just so many people on

1618
01:26:43,920 --> 01:26:46,640
Speaker 1: the globe right now that it's just really hard to

1619
01:26:46,680 --> 01:26:52,559
Speaker 1: find some alone time and and some wilderness space and people.

1620
01:26:53,240 --> 01:26:57,519
Speaker 1: You know, it's it's um. It's one of the things

1621
01:26:57,560 --> 01:27:02,640
Speaker 1: that drives me most nuts about um. Anti hunters or

1622
01:27:02,720 --> 01:27:07,800
Speaker 1: non hunters that try to celebrate untouched ecology. They're just

1623
01:27:08,040 --> 01:27:11,920
Speaker 1: absolute fools about it. And it drives me bananas that

1624
01:27:12,000 --> 01:27:17,200
Speaker 1: you think, if we stop killing wolves, or if we

1625
01:27:17,320 --> 01:27:21,840
Speaker 1: never hunt grizzly bears, or if we um, I can't

1626
01:27:21,840 --> 01:27:24,120
Speaker 1: even think of some of the idiotic things that some

1627
01:27:24,160 --> 01:27:26,280
Speaker 1: of these people come up with. But if we if

1628
01:27:26,320 --> 01:27:29,960
Speaker 1: we chase some of these things, um, and you think

1629
01:27:30,040 --> 01:27:32,479
Speaker 1: that things are going to perpetuate into shangra law, are

1630
01:27:32,479 --> 01:27:35,800
Speaker 1: going to perpetuate into the the happy place that that

1631
01:27:35,920 --> 01:27:39,920
Speaker 1: Walt Disney creates in his sketches and in his art, Um,

1632
01:27:39,960 --> 01:27:42,360
Speaker 1: you're absolutely nuts. And it's to go the same goals

1633
01:27:42,400 --> 01:27:44,640
Speaker 1: for hunters guys that you know, I see guys with

1634
01:27:44,720 --> 01:27:47,080
Speaker 1: stickers on the truck to say smoke a packet day,

1635
01:27:47,120 --> 01:27:49,760
Speaker 1: you know, shoot all the wolves you can. It's just

1636
01:27:50,080 --> 01:27:53,320
Speaker 1: as foolish if you think that you're gonna do if

1637
01:27:53,320 --> 01:27:55,840
Speaker 1: you think you're going to come in and change ecology

1638
01:27:55,920 --> 01:28:00,360
Speaker 1: and change a particular area or spot by killing all

1639
01:28:00,479 --> 01:28:03,519
Speaker 1: the wolves, are killing all of the coyotes, You're you're

1640
01:28:03,520 --> 01:28:06,040
Speaker 1: a fool. You're an absolute fool. Are there places that

1641
01:28:06,080 --> 01:28:09,160
Speaker 1: wolves need to be killed? Absolutely? Are the places where

1642
01:28:09,200 --> 01:28:11,800
Speaker 1: kyles need to be killed. Absolutely. There's also places where

1643
01:28:11,840 --> 01:28:14,879
Speaker 1: deer have to be killed, and where you know, species

1644
01:28:14,920 --> 01:28:16,799
Speaker 1: of trout need to be killed out of a stream,

1645
01:28:17,040 --> 01:28:19,800
Speaker 1: or microbes that are killing the trout or plants. There's

1646
01:28:19,920 --> 01:28:26,479
Speaker 1: lots of imbalance. But celebrating any of those with absolute certainty,

1647
01:28:26,760 --> 01:28:30,519
Speaker 1: um just points out to me that you're clear cut

1648
01:28:30,640 --> 01:28:33,400
Speaker 1: a fool. Absolutely, if you think you things can be

1649
01:28:33,439 --> 01:28:36,000
Speaker 1: reduced to a single variable and that you're going to

1650
01:28:36,080 --> 01:28:40,680
Speaker 1: have an impact with your rifle a foolish. It all

1651
01:28:40,720 --> 01:28:43,960
Speaker 1: comes back down to that concept of harmony, right we

1652
01:28:44,720 --> 01:28:48,640
Speaker 1: That's like we have indelibly left our mark, you know,

1653
01:28:48,720 --> 01:28:50,640
Speaker 1: human beings on this earth. We've left a mark that

1654
01:28:50,720 --> 01:28:53,960
Speaker 1: can't be taken off unfortunately or fortunately however you choose

1655
01:28:53,960 --> 01:28:56,280
Speaker 1: to look at it. And because of that, there is

1656
01:28:56,280 --> 01:28:59,439
Speaker 1: a can right, there's a chance once we all die

1657
01:28:59,439 --> 01:29:02,080
Speaker 1: off and we had to restart point we you, you

1658
01:29:02,160 --> 01:29:03,720
Speaker 1: and I won't be here to see it, but it

1659
01:29:04,160 --> 01:29:08,240
Speaker 1: will happen, right true, in the in then more near

1660
01:29:08,360 --> 01:29:10,639
Speaker 1: term future, though at least like that. There's no way

1661
01:29:10,680 --> 01:29:14,720
Speaker 1: to wholly remove our influence on ecosystems and everything. That's

1662
01:29:14,760 --> 01:29:16,920
Speaker 1: all we can try to do is as best as possible,

1663
01:29:17,040 --> 01:29:21,479
Speaker 1: find some means of harmony and balance. But but that's

1664
01:29:21,520 --> 01:29:24,439
Speaker 1: the challenge. And to your point, I think anytime you

1665
01:29:24,560 --> 01:29:27,960
Speaker 1: try to skew that balance in the favor of one

1666
01:29:28,240 --> 01:29:31,320
Speaker 1: person or group's interests. You know, when you say, well,

1667
01:29:31,360 --> 01:29:33,800
Speaker 1: we don't care about X animal because we just want

1668
01:29:33,840 --> 01:29:36,400
Speaker 1: a lot of why I mean, you know, to the

1669
01:29:36,520 --> 01:29:40,439
Speaker 1: to the example you've shared, predators. I think that this

1670
01:29:40,520 --> 01:29:42,840
Speaker 1: is a dangerous thing sometimes that we as hunters get

1671
01:29:42,880 --> 01:29:46,439
Speaker 1: into when we worry about our competition. Understandably, there needs

1672
01:29:46,479 --> 01:29:48,719
Speaker 1: to be balanced, but at the same time, the idea

1673
01:29:48,840 --> 01:29:52,880
Speaker 1: of eliminating predators completely just because we want tons and

1674
01:29:52,920 --> 01:29:55,519
Speaker 1: tons and tons of tons of deer, will you lose

1675
01:29:55,520 --> 01:29:57,960
Speaker 1: that harmony there too, And then what what you're left

1676
01:29:58,000 --> 01:30:03,120
Speaker 1: with is not a holy harmonious ecosystem. And it is

1677
01:30:03,160 --> 01:30:06,719
Speaker 1: not natural and you lose something there too, And I think, UM,

1678
01:30:06,760 --> 01:30:09,000
Speaker 1: we've got to be careful to to know that, yes

1679
01:30:09,040 --> 01:30:12,000
Speaker 1: we need, we have to have a piece apart in

1680
01:30:12,040 --> 01:30:14,479
Speaker 1: this whole system. But at the same time there has

1681
01:30:14,520 --> 01:30:19,439
Speaker 1: to be balanced to m HM and certainly live you know,

1682
01:30:19,520 --> 01:30:23,720
Speaker 1: live your life, find your harmony, find find your interactions.

1683
01:30:23,760 --> 01:30:25,880
Speaker 1: You know. A few years ago, I was in the

1684
01:30:25,920 --> 01:30:28,640
Speaker 1: Arctic Circle and I happened to be fortunate enough to

1685
01:30:29,320 --> 01:30:32,479
Speaker 1: um get surrounded by a pack of wolves, and UM,

1686
01:30:32,520 --> 01:30:34,719
Speaker 1: could I have shot one? Absolutely how a wolf tag

1687
01:30:34,720 --> 01:30:36,680
Speaker 1: in my pocket there were ten yards away from me,

1688
01:30:36,760 --> 01:30:40,360
Speaker 1: had my bow. Um, I chose not to shoot one.

1689
01:30:41,120 --> 01:30:42,800
Speaker 1: I just did not want to shoot a wolf. Did

1690
01:30:42,800 --> 01:30:44,280
Speaker 1: not want to shoot a wolf in that instance. I

1691
01:30:44,280 --> 01:30:46,280
Speaker 1: didn't want to shoot a wolf on that trip. Right then,

1692
01:30:46,640 --> 01:30:50,639
Speaker 1: I was hunting moose. Fast forward a year, another gentleman

1693
01:30:50,640 --> 01:30:52,840
Speaker 1: that I know that was hunting the same region. He

1694
01:30:52,880 --> 01:30:55,040
Speaker 1: went in there with his hunting partner, and they shot

1695
01:30:55,080 --> 01:30:58,040
Speaker 1: two of those same wolves out of that pack. Um

1696
01:30:58,080 --> 01:31:01,320
Speaker 1: that had surrounded me. Either one of us was right

1697
01:31:01,479 --> 01:31:04,040
Speaker 1: or wrong. I did not choose to shoot a wolf.

1698
01:31:04,080 --> 01:31:07,080
Speaker 1: It was not um what I wanted to do. UM.

1699
01:31:07,120 --> 01:31:10,360
Speaker 1: He chose to shoot two wolves. That area has a

1700
01:31:10,400 --> 01:31:13,600
Speaker 1: healthy population of wolves, that pack is a healthy population

1701
01:31:13,640 --> 01:31:16,519
Speaker 1: of wolves, and he shot two adults out of the pack.

1702
01:31:16,840 --> 01:31:19,320
Speaker 1: M is the packing to feel it, absolutely is the

1703
01:31:19,400 --> 01:31:23,000
Speaker 1: packing to recover. Absolutely. You know, both of us lived

1704
01:31:23,080 --> 01:31:26,320
Speaker 1: on lives, Both of us lived in the harmony that

1705
01:31:26,360 --> 01:31:29,400
Speaker 1: we wanted to be in in that area, UM, and

1706
01:31:29,439 --> 01:31:31,559
Speaker 1: both of us had a different experience, but neither neither

1707
01:31:31,600 --> 01:31:35,000
Speaker 1: one of them was right or wrong. Yeah, yeah, very true.

1708
01:31:35,600 --> 01:31:38,000
Speaker 1: So I kinda want to wrap this up down we can.

1709
01:31:38,080 --> 01:31:40,120
Speaker 1: I could talk about this stuff for for really very

1710
01:31:40,120 --> 01:31:41,880
Speaker 1: long time, and there's a lot we haven't touched on

1711
01:31:41,920 --> 01:31:43,439
Speaker 1: that I would like to talk to you about, but

1712
01:31:43,439 --> 01:31:45,760
Speaker 1: but we do need to wrap it up. UM. I

1713
01:31:45,800 --> 01:31:48,840
Speaker 1: want I want to kind of get your final thoughts

1714
01:31:48,840 --> 01:31:53,840
Speaker 1: though on the message that you want to leave with people.

1715
01:31:53,880 --> 01:31:57,360
Speaker 1: I mean, when Donnie Vincent is dead and gone someday

1716
01:31:57,400 --> 01:32:00,960
Speaker 1: and you've done your work, what message do you want

1717
01:32:01,000 --> 01:32:04,840
Speaker 1: to have left hunters or people anyone who's seen your

1718
01:32:04,880 --> 01:32:08,080
Speaker 1: work or been influenced by you. What is that thing

1719
01:32:08,320 --> 01:32:11,920
Speaker 1: or concept or idea or message that you hope will

1720
01:32:11,960 --> 01:32:16,439
Speaker 1: be left to those people. You know, it's very very

1721
01:32:16,479 --> 01:32:21,479
Speaker 1: similar to all those message and that UM, as as

1722
01:32:21,479 --> 01:32:25,840
Speaker 1: I went through my life filming and writing and just

1723
01:32:25,960 --> 01:32:28,800
Speaker 1: experiencing and being in wild places either by myself are

1724
01:32:28,880 --> 01:32:33,760
Speaker 1: with people, that UM, I've really chased that harmony and

1725
01:32:33,800 --> 01:32:36,720
Speaker 1: it's more and more every day. And I don't know

1726
01:32:36,760 --> 01:32:41,200
Speaker 1: if it's because I'm getting older and wiser and more aware, UM,

1727
01:32:41,280 --> 01:32:45,599
Speaker 1: but that's that's exactly what I want people to, um,

1728
01:32:45,640 --> 01:32:48,720
Speaker 1: to hang their hats on. Is that. UM. The way

1729
01:32:48,760 --> 01:32:52,240
Speaker 1: I hunted off camera or on camera is the same

1730
01:32:52,280 --> 01:32:57,080
Speaker 1: for me and my interactions with wildlife and habitat and

1731
01:32:57,160 --> 01:33:02,000
Speaker 1: just being present with in wild places with just UM,

1732
01:33:02,040 --> 01:33:05,639
Speaker 1: I try to go forth every time with harmony. Obviously, UH,

1733
01:33:06,200 --> 01:33:11,479
Speaker 1: it's not always perfect, um, but but it's it's it's

1734
01:33:11,479 --> 01:33:14,519
Speaker 1: where I really enjoy it's where I really enjoy living,

1735
01:33:14,560 --> 01:33:18,599
Speaker 1: and it's it's how I really enjoy interacting and and UM,

1736
01:33:19,400 --> 01:33:21,599
Speaker 1: you know that's basically and I mean that that book

1737
01:33:21,640 --> 01:33:23,559
Speaker 1: means so much to me. Is writing means so much

1738
01:33:23,600 --> 01:33:27,400
Speaker 1: to me. It's I can't articulate as well as he

1739
01:33:27,520 --> 01:33:32,400
Speaker 1: can not, not nearly in his writings, but so much

1740
01:33:32,400 --> 01:33:35,120
Speaker 1: of his words ring true to how I live my

1741
01:33:35,160 --> 01:33:36,960
Speaker 1: life and want to continue to live my life. From

1742
01:33:37,000 --> 01:33:42,000
Speaker 1: here on out. Yeah, I can say the same things too.

1743
01:33:42,080 --> 01:33:44,960
Speaker 1: There's really a lot there to be um to be digested.

1744
01:33:45,200 --> 01:33:47,519
Speaker 1: And from what I from what I've seen from the

1745
01:33:47,560 --> 01:33:49,280
Speaker 1: work down, you think you're well on your way to

1746
01:33:49,280 --> 01:33:53,240
Speaker 1: to communicating that message as well. So I appreciate that.

1747
01:33:53,320 --> 01:33:56,280
Speaker 1: I appreciate what you're doing. And uh, and hopefully we'll

1748
01:33:56,320 --> 01:33:59,880
Speaker 1: we'll see plenty more in the future. Thanks, man. I

1749
01:34:00,000 --> 01:34:02,200
Speaker 1: really appreciate the time to talk. It's uh. I really

1750
01:34:02,280 --> 01:34:05,160
Speaker 1: enjoy speaking with you, gentlemen. Yeah, and I gotta say

1751
01:34:05,240 --> 01:34:07,960
Speaker 1: Dan actually had to drop off the phone call. As

1752
01:34:08,000 --> 01:34:10,880
Speaker 1: our listeners know, sometimes he has baby issues and he

1753
01:34:10,920 --> 01:34:14,200
Speaker 1: had one of those right now. So so Dan is

1754
01:34:14,200 --> 01:34:16,840
Speaker 1: attending to the family. But but from both of us,

1755
01:34:16,880 --> 01:34:20,360
Speaker 1: t Yeah, from both of us though, thank you so much,

1756
01:34:20,560 --> 01:34:23,960
Speaker 1: and uh, we'll hopefully talk to you again soon. I

1757
01:34:24,040 --> 01:34:27,120
Speaker 1: appreciate it. Mark, thank you. And there you have it.

1758
01:34:27,320 --> 01:34:30,200
Speaker 1: Another episode is in the books. And as we said before,

1759
01:34:30,520 --> 01:34:33,880
Speaker 1: if you haven't gotten to check out Elderlyopold Sand County Almanac,

1760
01:34:34,160 --> 01:34:36,040
Speaker 1: pick up a copy and give it a shot. You

1761
01:34:36,040 --> 01:34:38,400
Speaker 1: know what it's It's amittately a little bit dense at times.

1762
01:34:38,439 --> 01:34:40,920
Speaker 1: It's not one of those quick, easy fund reads necessarily,

1763
01:34:40,960 --> 01:34:43,760
Speaker 1: but if you're reading little bits and take it over

1764
01:34:43,800 --> 01:34:45,439
Speaker 1: time and kind of chew on it, I do think

1765
01:34:45,479 --> 01:34:49,240
Speaker 1: you'll find something very valuable there. So moving on, I

1766
01:34:49,280 --> 01:34:50,880
Speaker 1: want to thank any and all of you who have

1767
01:34:50,920 --> 01:34:53,599
Speaker 1: left reviews all this podcast on iTunes. That's been such

1768
01:34:53,600 --> 01:34:56,000
Speaker 1: a big help over the years, and I appreciate that

1769
01:34:56,000 --> 01:34:57,800
Speaker 1: feedback so much. I just want to take an extra

1770
01:34:57,840 --> 01:34:59,920
Speaker 1: second to to call all of you out and thank you.

1771
01:35:00,160 --> 01:35:01,920
Speaker 1: And I also want to thank our partners who have

1772
01:35:01,960 --> 01:35:04,920
Speaker 1: helped to keep this podcast on the air. Big thanks

1773
01:35:04,960 --> 01:35:09,080
Speaker 1: to Sick Gear, Redneck Blinds, hunter a Maps, Yetie Coolers, Ozonics,

1774
01:35:09,200 --> 01:35:12,280
Speaker 1: Carbon Express, Maven Optics, and the White Tailed Institute of

1775
01:35:12,360 --> 01:35:16,080
Speaker 1: North America. And finally, thank you for being with us today.

1776
01:35:16,200 --> 01:35:18,120
Speaker 1: I hope you were able to stick with us on

1777
01:35:18,160 --> 01:35:20,280
Speaker 1: this one as we've kind of weaved our way through

1778
01:35:20,280 --> 01:35:23,000
Speaker 1: these topics of conservation and giving back and having a

1779
01:35:23,040 --> 01:35:25,800
Speaker 1: land ethic. I know, you know that's not always as

1780
01:35:25,800 --> 01:35:29,200
Speaker 1: exciting or entertaining as talking about new strategies and hunting

1781
01:35:29,200 --> 01:35:31,720
Speaker 1: stories and all that good stuff, but but ultimately I

1782
01:35:31,760 --> 01:35:33,960
Speaker 1: do think it's just as important, if not more so.

1783
01:35:33,960 --> 01:35:35,559
Speaker 1: So I thank you for being a part of this

1784
01:35:35,680 --> 01:35:38,800
Speaker 1: ongoing conversation that we've been having over these past few years,

1785
01:35:39,080 --> 01:35:43,679
Speaker 1: and finally, until next time, thank you all and stay

1786
01:35:44,280 --> 01:35:45,479
Speaker 1: wired to hunt.