Speaker 1: Of the law and order franchises, SVU is considered especially watchable.
Speaker 2: We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the
Speaker 2: vicious felonies.
Speaker 3: These episodes are based on. These are our stories.
Speaker 4: Done done.
Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to That's Messed Up n SVU podcast.
Speaker 3: I'm Kara Klank and I'm Liza Traeger. Hello.
Speaker 2: Every week we talk about an episode of SVU, the
Speaker 2: true crime it's based on, and then we have a
Speaker 2: guest from the episode that we should chat with. And
Speaker 2: now Kara and I are going to catch up because
Speaker 2: we've been in separate parts of the country for weeks weeks.
Speaker 3: This is our longest break. Now that's not.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well when you were yeah, yeah, that's not true.
Speaker 3: We really have just recorded, but.
Speaker 1: It feels like a long it feels like a long
Speaker 1: hours breakn't really been anywhere so in a long time.
Speaker 3: So this has been great. Yeah, and hello, what oh,
Speaker 3: I was just going to say.
Speaker 1: We are going to be at moon Tower. Yeah, in Austin, Texas.
Speaker 1: We're so excited. Moontower Comedy Festival in Austin, Texas, which
Speaker 1: you've done it before, right, I've been to it before.
Speaker 1: It's such an amazing festival. So if you are in
Speaker 1: Texas or the Austin, Texas area specifically, come see us.
Speaker 1: We're going to do a live show. We're going to
Speaker 1: be doing stand up also as ourselves and I We're excited.
Speaker 2: Very excited. Yeah, Austin is great. I can't wait to eat. Well,
Speaker 2: mostly it is sick. Austin has so much to offer.
Speaker 2: But in my head, all I know is I know
Speaker 2: there's a Jimmy John's there. Oh my god, because I
Speaker 2: always see stay near the Jimmy John. So it's like,
Speaker 2: it's so sick of all the barbecue. There's great Japanese
Speaker 2: restaurants there. There's so much, and I'm the Case so
Speaker 2: I can't wait. I love Case. So I'm so glad
Speaker 2: Chipotle finally got on the QSO game. That was like
Speaker 2: a very weird move. How long it took them?
Speaker 3: Same with us.
Speaker 2: You know all places cheese fries brings people together. What
Speaker 2: are people waiting for?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Add more cheese everyone. If you're a well known.
Speaker 2: Well I was in Raleigh. It took me eighty years
Speaker 2: to remember how to say it rally. Yes, we did
Speaker 2: get a couple of notes.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just I could. I could even there.
Speaker 2: It really took me weeks after I left even figured
Speaker 2: it out, or a week. But there were so many
Speaker 2: cute people at the show. Because of COVID and all that,
Speaker 2: I couldn't get to talk to anybody, but there were
Speaker 2: like two cutis to the left of me, and hello.
Speaker 2: I did tell them that they that he won most
Speaker 2: Cute audience Member, So.
Speaker 3: Hey, what's up?
Speaker 2: You know we're talking to I also found out my
Speaker 2: nephew's girlfriend listens, so, oh, what's up, girl. I hope
Speaker 2: you're enjoying college. I know on a former episode, I
Speaker 2: said you guys should break up and get over this
Speaker 2: long distance stuff.
Speaker 3: But I take it back. You know, I think you
Speaker 3: guys really are going to go the distance. That was
Speaker 3: the first thing I thought of it.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, the girlfriend that you said probably okay, No,
Speaker 1: I think it's great.
Speaker 2: Yeah, own your mistakes. They could make it. But I
Speaker 2: didn't even know. I just meant it in the terms
Speaker 2: of like my own like being young and all of that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, obviously wasn't a judgment on herself. But he said yesterday,
Speaker 1: he's like, she loves you.
Speaker 2: I go, I don't know her. I'd never met her,
Speaker 2: you know. Of course I stalk the Instagram. But he
Speaker 2: was like, she listens to the podcast and.
Speaker 1: I went, uh, oh this might be a problem.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's great. I'm glad.
Speaker 2: She also, what do you think about this? So you know,
Speaker 2: my nephew is eighteen, he's going to college. He says,
Speaker 2: I've muted all of them from my stories. He says,
Speaker 2: now that he's in college, I should.
Speaker 3: Unmute him from my stories. Yeah you think you agree? Yeah? Okay,
Speaker 3: why not? Okay, yeah he knows I smoke weed. Yeah wait,
Speaker 3: because that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: You're not like on there shooting up Heroin and like
Speaker 1: you're you know, you're just kind of like living your life.
Speaker 1: I think you're It's a great example of a cool
Speaker 1: aunt and you should.
Speaker 3: Just do it. Okay, I'll do it. I'll do it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll do whatever you say. And for those paying attention,
Speaker 2: I would like to say, my air conditioner is still broken.
Speaker 3: That is over a month of that. So they hate me,
Speaker 3: and I'm coming to you.
Speaker 1: I'm coming to you live from a closet, so you
Speaker 1: know we are getting it done for you.
Speaker 2: They hate me because I call them too much, because
Speaker 2: they don't call me back enough, and so I called
Speaker 2: yesterday and they wouldn't answer, and then I called from
Speaker 2: the hotel phone and they answered, and I went, oh,
Speaker 2: that's interesting, Wendy. I just called you twice, so it's
Speaker 2: weird that you're picking up now, isn't it.
Speaker 3: I told Wendy, I hope you listen to the podcast.
Speaker 2: I've been honest with you. I go, do you am
Speaker 2: I too annoying? Am I calling too much? Then maybe
Speaker 2: send me more update. I'm like, what you are doing
Speaker 2: is immoral. Even though I'm out of town, I'm still
Speaker 2: pretending I'm in there, like I don't know, yeah, but
Speaker 2: still fighting.
Speaker 1: Is anyone else in the building having a problem where
Speaker 1: it's like your specific unit is fucked?
Speaker 3: I think it's just my specific unity.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's so frustrated AdFest. Even though you are in
Speaker 2: a closet right now. Your closet, your brother's closet is
Speaker 2: bigger than my whole apartment.
Speaker 3: I would say it's quite large. It's a very like, Yeah,
Speaker 3: have you guys been in the pool every day? Yeah?
Speaker 1: My brother has a nice ass pool. And this is
Speaker 1: like our new airbnb. We're just like coming here and
Speaker 1: it's like an airbnb where people will hold my children
Speaker 1: for me, so I love it, which is.
Speaker 2: Very Oh my god, oh yeah, I was so mad.
Speaker 2: On my flight there was like ten to fifteen families
Speaker 2: with kids. I'm like, this is too many kids. I
Speaker 2: know you tweeted about it.
Speaker 1: It was so funny that, but when you tweeted me
Speaker 1: that an eight year old, I'm sorry, your eight year
Speaker 1: old does not eat extra help getting seated on the
Speaker 1: plane unless there's look, don't come for me if there's
Speaker 1: some kind of special needs issue. But what you made
Speaker 1: it seem to me was that it was a regular,
Speaker 1: fully neurotypical eight year old that just needed to, like,
Speaker 1: was just getting on early. I don't think that's what
Speaker 1: they mean when they say people with young children.
Speaker 2: No, but they can't ask like you can, even if
Speaker 2: they say if you need time, like I can go
Speaker 2: up there. If I had, like, if my ethics leaned
Speaker 2: that way, I could totally do.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: You could be like I have restless leg I need
Speaker 1: to get on first, yeah, or something like that.
Speaker 2: But my mom always told me don't lie about health.
Speaker 2: Oh not good. You don't want to lie about health.
Speaker 2: You can lie about an invented person's health, but yeah,
Speaker 2: don't show anything on your bod. You know you don't
Speaker 2: want any of that goofiness inside of yourself. You know,
Speaker 2: I'm very into the evil eye. And our friend I
Speaker 2: kept telling her, I'm like, you need you need the eye.
Speaker 2: I could tell people are going to be jealous of you.
Speaker 2: And she got a stut. She got a little eye
Speaker 2: like second whole earrings. So the eye is always with
Speaker 2: you and no one can even see that you're wording
Speaker 2: away they're evil.
Speaker 1: Ooh, you're confused. No, I want to know who it is.
Speaker 1: We have two friends, let's be honest. Okay, right, well
Speaker 1: gee I thought there were more, but I guess now
Speaker 1: at least it's now telling me I have two friends.
Speaker 3: I'm saying who I could be tough. No, we have
Speaker 3: a lot of friends. We have a lot of friends.
Speaker 2: I got picked up in a red convertible vintage BMW
Speaker 2: this weekend.
Speaker 1: By mean, I mean, come on, I deserved it. You
Speaker 1: deserve that kind of My friend had that in high
Speaker 1: school and she would pick me up once in a while,
Speaker 1: Like it wasn't her car all the time, it was
Speaker 1: her dad's car. That once in a while he would
Speaker 1: let her drive and she would pick me up, and
Speaker 1: I'd be like I'm.
Speaker 3: In a movie like this is amazing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've only been in two convertibles, but even as
Speaker 2: an adult, you know it hasn't A convertible is cool.
Speaker 3: No matter what, it's always exciting.
Speaker 1: I used to borrow my friends like Toyota Solara a
Speaker 1: convertible and still thought I was the bomb dot com.
Speaker 1: And that's like I think, literally the stupid car that
Speaker 1: Michael Scott gets in the office to like show off
Speaker 1: to everybody know what it is.
Speaker 3: So I was watching The Office on the plane. It's
Speaker 3: a nice plane view.
Speaker 2: So many people watch Fox News that I couldn't believe it.
Speaker 2: Everywhere I looked there was a Fox News on the screen.
Speaker 3: Really.
Speaker 2: I know they're number one obviously in ratings, but I
Speaker 2: was really shocked, like people that had books with that,
Speaker 2: like people, young people, this hip guy next to me
Speaker 2: with a cool Tasmanian Devil shirt on, like I don't know,
Speaker 2: everyone had Fox News on.
Speaker 1: I don't know what the then diagram of Tasmanian Devil
Speaker 1: fans and Republicans are, but I guess it's more of
Speaker 1: a circle than we thought. Oh wow, yeah that is surprising.
Speaker 1: That is surprising.
Speaker 3: I'm like, well, I guess because where were you going from?
Speaker 3: Where to wear? I don't even know anymore.
Speaker 2: Oh, I lay the Salt Lake to Chicago. Okay, well
Speaker 2: maybe the Salt Lake connection the leg.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's actually I believe the exact flight that I
Speaker 1: took my baby on to go to our friend's bachelorette party.
Speaker 1: I took a two leg flight to take a five
Speaker 1: month bulcho about party. In case you're wondering who I
Speaker 1: am as a person, No, Delta is very close to
Speaker 1: losing me as a customer. I mean, I lost my status.
Speaker 1: So now I'm anybody's game. I could literally move to anybody.
Speaker 3: I could. I could become a Mint person. I'm enemies
Speaker 3: with Uber too.
Speaker 2: I scheduled a car over a day in advance, running
Speaker 2: twenty minutes late.
Speaker 3: Excuse me, why would I order you early?
Speaker 2: Yeah, these are stupid problems. I really apologize with what's happening.
Speaker 2: I feel like we're just we're at the playground and
Speaker 2: we're two moms that kind of know each other. That's
Speaker 2: what we're talking about. Really was Okay, listen what I
Speaker 2: notice it ended? That's Oh my god. I loved it.
Speaker 2: I loved it. I loved it, loved it. Anyone that
Speaker 2: says it's it's not for them or disappointing.
Speaker 3: Or not good. I'm like, maybe you're dumb. It was perfect.
Speaker 5: I know.
Speaker 1: My my sister's fiance said, he's like, I just don't
Speaker 1: like the show, and I'm like, but.
Speaker 3: I need I love you. Don't do that. Don't say
Speaker 3: that to me.
Speaker 2: And if he doesn't like it, as long as you
Speaker 2: understand the value you and how good it actually is,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 1: No, but I don't think he does. He goes, I
Speaker 1: don't get why you guys like the show? Well, is
Speaker 1: he a problem? Would he be one of the white
Speaker 1: lotus to hotel people?
Speaker 3: Would he be? He is Steve's on? I mean Steve's on.
Speaker 1: I thought we were supposed to kind of like him.
Speaker 1: And then when he did that second to last episode
Speaker 1: when he had that little monologue about how hard it
Speaker 1: is to be a white person and how we can't
Speaker 1: really do reparations or whatever, I was like, and, yeah,
Speaker 1: you're supposed to hate every single person in the show
Speaker 1: except for like Natasha Rothweld.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: But then someone I was reading interviews and obviously all
Speaker 2: the articles, and someone's like, yeah, but why would you
Speaker 2: want to go into business with that lunatic. You know,
Speaker 2: I know that also seems like a tough situation of sorts.
Speaker 3: I don't know. She's so good, Jennifer Coolidge. I love
Speaker 3: her so much. Oh.
Speaker 2: I also wanted to say fuck you to anyone that
Speaker 2: message just going, oh, just add another face to your
Speaker 2: face unlocking on your phone.
Speaker 3: It'll work. That's a lot.
Speaker 2: I tried to do it with a mask on and
Speaker 2: my sunglasses, and my phone kept saying face substruction, the
Speaker 2: face is obstructed, and refuse to take a photo.
Speaker 3: So fuck you Apple, fuck you everyone.
Speaker 2: What a dumb invention. I can't wear sunglasses and open
Speaker 2: my phone.
Speaker 1: But I feel like it worked for me the other
Speaker 1: day after you told me that when I was wearing
Speaker 1: my sunglasses.
Speaker 3: Okay, well the mask, I get the mask.
Speaker 2: It's not gonna work, that's fine, that's fine, But what
Speaker 2: about sungle I just think this is a dumb invention.
Speaker 1: Yeah no, And a lot of people actually wrote a
Speaker 1: message of saying fucking right on, Lisa, there are with
Speaker 1: you on fuck it face ID. You can also just
Speaker 1: turn it off and go back to your old ways.
Speaker 3: But what's the old way? A code entering in your password,
Speaker 3: that's not the old way. My old way was a thumb.
Speaker 3: I touched the thumb. Oh I never.
Speaker 1: Used the thumb. Oh I did use the thumb. You're right, Damn,
Speaker 1: I don't want to type in a long ass code.
Speaker 2: I used to have a phone that you could lied
Speaker 2: and not yeah, and that was like kind of good.
Speaker 2: But I was just everyone got my hopes up. But
Speaker 2: maybe I'll try. I'll keep forgot about the fucking fingerprint.
Speaker 2: You're right, that was the old way. I felt really old.
Speaker 2: Mym I had so many problems. I was like taking
Speaker 2: photos of my nephew, like I just didn't know how
Speaker 2: technology worked. And then the children fixed it in ten
Speaker 2: seconds and it wasn't actually a problem, you know, truly graduated.
Speaker 2: And then if anyone that follows me on Instagram blend
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Speaker 2: is us. You told me about this, Yeah, fifteen blends
Speaker 2: per charge and it washes itself. You know, you put
Speaker 2: soap and you blend it and it washes so anywhere
Speaker 2: you want, you make smoothies anywhere you want. Wow, And
Speaker 2: it's pink and cute and quiet. Like someone was like, yeah,
Speaker 2: fill it with the fruits and veggies, and then at
Speaker 2: the airport put ice and a liquid in it and
Speaker 2: you can blend it at the like anywhere you want.
Speaker 3: I've been making shakes in my hotel room.
Speaker 1: Damn yes, Blenjet sponsor US. We're here out here doing
Speaker 1: it for free.
Speaker 3: Sponsor US.
Speaker 2: But it's like, yeah, our one friend posted about it,
Speaker 2: and now I know like ten people who have bought it,
Speaker 2: and now we're on this Blenjet journey together.
Speaker 3: All right.
Speaker 2: Well, a chocolate peanut butter shake with a banana, what's better?
Speaker 3: That's amazing for the girl on the go. Yeah, this
Speaker 3: is all right.
Speaker 2: I feel this has been the most uneventful intro of
Speaker 2: all time, and I need to apologize to all the listeners.
Speaker 1: You know what, Lisa, We're not going to be able
Speaker 1: to come to these people every week and be like,
Speaker 1: here's the magical shit that's been going on. Sometimes we
Speaker 1: have just a solo ass week where I've just been
Speaker 1: soaking in a pool and I'm sitting in a closet
Speaker 1: and you had to take some flights with too many kids.
Speaker 3: That's what happened this week.
Speaker 4: I know.
Speaker 2: Oh God, but I have my I have a jeep
Speaker 2: to use this one, and you know what, next week
Speaker 2: I'm doing like family Skokie week one week, and then
Speaker 2: next week's Chicago Friends Week, and then you guys will
Speaker 2: have some stories.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I can't wait for the hot goss coming out of
Speaker 1: the Chicago street.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm gonna go.
Speaker 2: To the Soho house pool. Ooh, I'm go go to
Speaker 2: the beach. I'm gonna get a Jimmy Johnson witch. I
Speaker 2: have great plans for next week. Wow, I can't wait.
Speaker 1: All right, Well, let's get started, because this is a
Speaker 1: good app. We got a lot of info, an amazing guest,
Speaker 1: and I'm excited.
Speaker 3: I love the guest this week so much. Wait, JK,
Speaker 3: I have nothing.
Speaker 1: But I didn't even wait long enough for the joke
Speaker 1: to even to fucking go through.
Speaker 2: Oh you know what's embarrassing. I'm looking at my sleep
Speaker 2: mask from the plane. It's the only one I could buy,
Speaker 2: and it says dreaming of first class on it.
Speaker 3: Like, how embarrassing? Oh that's embarrassing. I'm sleeping in the
Speaker 3: main cabin and it says dreaming first class on my
Speaker 3: thing on my sleep mask. They gave that to you. No,
Speaker 3: I had time to like stop at CBS.
Speaker 2: Before the flight, I'm like sleep mass, sleep mask and
Speaker 2: this is the only one they had classiest classes a
Speaker 2: classes bullshit sleep match.
Speaker 3: Okay, now for real, on the second try, we're starting.
Speaker 2: All right, season seventeen Patrimonial Burden, and I'm not telling
Speaker 2: you the episode number. Hulu plays some games here again
Speaker 2: and I refuse, I refuse to be thrown him to
Speaker 2: these false numbers. So seventeen patrom O'Neil Burnen and it
Speaker 2: opens up on like a creepy, creepy thing. And we've
Speaker 2: seen some creepy fucking shit on this show, but this
Speaker 2: is it's like a grown ass man looks like he's
Speaker 2: marrying a young girl, but instead of just a loose
Speaker 2: old man, it is a dad making his daughter do
Speaker 2: his ceremony to never fuck anyone until marriage and that
Speaker 2: her pussy belongs to her father or until another man
Speaker 2: can take it. So that makes sense, Like, like do
Speaker 2: they ever say their ideas out loud before they do this?
Speaker 2: I just don't understand it. Let's just like I don't
Speaker 2: even think these kids would ever think about any of
Speaker 2: these situations or fucking or anything. And now you're just
Speaker 2: you're putting all this pressure on these kids not to fuck.
Speaker 2: You don't fuck for yourself, you fuck for your dad
Speaker 2: like it's uh, it's I hate it. And then you
Speaker 2: see it opens up and there's a ton of these freaks.
Speaker 2: So the audience can you know, vibe that there's it's
Speaker 2: a cult situation. People are smiling and acting like this is.
Speaker 3: Normal, but really quick, can I ask you?
Speaker 1: Because when I was growing up, not even necessarily in
Speaker 1: a religious way, but there were daddy daughter dances. And
Speaker 1: I have a feeling you're gonna tell me that no,
Speaker 1: you and your dad did not ever go to a
Speaker 1: daddy daughter dance.
Speaker 2: We know, but I'm gonna bet whatever possessions I have
Speaker 2: that those people are religious nuts. You're not a secular
Speaker 2: person in this country going to daddy daughter dances.
Speaker 1: Well, in my well equally disturbing in my town. Not equally,
Speaker 1: but also disturbing in my town. It was called Indian Incesses.
Speaker 1: Was like some kind of and definitely culturally appropriate of
Speaker 1: like I don't even it was definitely not about India
Speaker 1: the country. It was about Native Americans and they had
Speaker 1: a daddy daughter dance and I wasn't.
Speaker 3: Part of that group. And it may have been religious
Speaker 3: and I don't remember.
Speaker 1: You're probably right, it definitely was, but like I just
Speaker 1: remember being like, why would that be fun?
Speaker 3: And they'd all be like, yeah, this weekend's the daddy daughter.
Speaker 1: Dance, and I'd be like, wait why, and I'm sure
Speaker 1: we have like listeners that are gonna come for us
Speaker 1: and be like, no.
Speaker 3: I did it with my dad and it was actually
Speaker 3: really sweet.
Speaker 1: But like I just there's I cannot decreepify a daddy
Speaker 1: daughter dance in my mind, Like there's just no way.
Speaker 3: I don't understand why.
Speaker 1: Those are done and they're so and maybe if it's
Speaker 1: like a disco theme, yeah, okay, go ahead in the eighties,
Speaker 1: but are you all wearing white nightgowns and getting rings?
Speaker 3: Okay, then it's not okay, right right?
Speaker 2: But someone I was just watching someone else about daddy
Speaker 2: daughter dances. If they don't get their love from their dad,
Speaker 2: they're gonna get somewhere out or is it this this
Speaker 2: I don't even remember, but I feel like I had
Speaker 2: another weird daddy situation happening on Instagram or something.
Speaker 3: I was trying to work on a.
Speaker 1: Joke about this a couple of years ago, just with
Speaker 1: like daddy daughter dances I.
Speaker 3: Did an Indian princess. It was not crazy.
Speaker 6: You did yes, my dad, Well, I was trying to
Speaker 6: be respectful.
Speaker 3: It was lovely.
Speaker 6: You did weekend trips with dad and some daughters, and
Speaker 6: you went to summer camps.
Speaker 3: I loved it.
Speaker 2: Well, she's back in once there's summer camp. Kara's on board.
Speaker 3: Okay. It's like horse nighting and camping and.
Speaker 1: Be sure, okay, sure, and that's fine, like quality time
Speaker 1: with your dad, not for me, but okay, but the
Speaker 1: dance part.
Speaker 3: Maybe your dad.
Speaker 2: Can just be doing stuff day to day and you
Speaker 2: wouldn't have to do excursions.
Speaker 3: So yeah, that's something also, but also you good father
Speaker 3: every day.
Speaker 2: You wouldn't have to go, you know, grind with your
Speaker 2: daughter on the weekend to show how close you are.
Speaker 3: Okay, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Like a camping trip, whatever, a hike, that's fun, I
Speaker 1: guess for you.
Speaker 3: But like a dance, I don't understand.
Speaker 1: A dance is so like a date scenario, like even
Speaker 1: I did like ballroom cotillion type thing, and it's like
Speaker 1: the boy comes up and asks the girl to dance,
Speaker 1: like it's all it's all very dainty. So I just
Speaker 1: don't get the dance part of it, Like did you
Speaker 1: do that with your dad, Hannah?
Speaker 3: I think it was more we put on skits and things.
Speaker 6: It was through the YMCA, Like this is kiotic and
Speaker 6: now it's called Why Guides. Just it's no longer called
Speaker 6: Indian Prince.
Speaker 3: I wonder why.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you know what I did with my dad.
Speaker 3: We went to the aquarium. That's what we did. I
Speaker 3: took I took Rosie to the aquarium yesterday. We would
Speaker 3: go play racquetball. That's what my dad and I did.
Speaker 3: We would go rollerblading, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: You never felt the need for him to touch you
Speaker 1: on your hips and sway gently to lady in red.
Speaker 3: I know. We just.
Speaker 2: Would sneak into the pool he worked at, Like, come on, yeah,
Speaker 2: you can find shenanigans to do with your da.
Speaker 3: That's not slow dancing. Let's move on. Sorry, Okay, I
Speaker 3: mean there.
Speaker 2: I bet there's gonna be a lot of asides because
Speaker 2: this just keeps getting freakier and freakier as it all
Speaker 2: goes down. So then you see a logo on the
Speaker 2: bottom of the screen of this dance and it's you
Speaker 2: could tell it's like a TV logo, like how it
Speaker 2: would say NBC News but instead it says Bakers doesn't.
Speaker 2: So it's a TV show and Baker's doesn't. I think
Speaker 2: it's like a funny game, you know, like, oh, look,
Speaker 2: there's thirteen of us. And then I'm assuming we all
Speaker 2: know exactly what this one is based on. You know,
Speaker 2: some it's like, oh could it be this? Could it
Speaker 2: be that? What about this cry? We know it's the Douggers.
Speaker 2: We know it's one hundred percent based on the Duggers.
Speaker 2: And the only thing I remember about the dug did
Speaker 2: you ever watch it?
Speaker 5: Kara?
Speaker 1: Never?
Speaker 2: Okay, I did, And the only thing I remember I
Speaker 2: remember a few things. But they ate very bad. They
Speaker 2: didn't eat well. It's not like there's a ton of
Speaker 2: us and we're on the farm. They would go to
Speaker 2: ald and buy tons of frozen food and they just
Speaker 2: would have tater talk castle roles constantly, and it was
Speaker 2: like an assembly line of all these kids, and each
Speaker 2: one was in charge of something and they would just
Speaker 2: eat gray, mushy tater talk cast roles.
Speaker 3: Oh god, yes, it was fucked. It was fucked.
Speaker 2: It was pretty disgusting and yeah, just made by tiny
Speaker 2: little child hands. So back from the duggars were onto
Speaker 2: the Baker's dozen.
Speaker 6: Oh god.
Speaker 3: And so the.
Speaker 2: Girl, the main girl, she has half down, half up
Speaker 2: hair really long, which is religious hair. You can that's
Speaker 2: religious hair from a mile away. There's purple and lavender everywhere.
Speaker 2: And the parents are doing like a cutaway confessional type
Speaker 2: thing where they're talking about how this is normal and
Speaker 2: good and there's no holier relationship than between dad and daughter,
Speaker 2: even though they truly came out of my body.
Speaker 3: But okay, so nothing holier.
Speaker 2: You know, it did come out of my vagina, but
Speaker 2: holy this.
Speaker 3: Baby did grow inside of me. But okay.
Speaker 2: So the parents' names we learn are Frank and Pam. Great,
Speaker 2: I don't care, no, I care.
Speaker 3: This is good.
Speaker 2: The Virtue Ball is in New York City and they
Speaker 2: can't wait to go, so they're traveling to New York
Speaker 2: for this.
Speaker 3: This is like also such a stretch for the show.
Speaker 1: Yeah, these balls would just take place in your shitty
Speaker 1: like small rural town or whatever in Arkansas, like you
Speaker 1: would not be like we have, like these kind of
Speaker 1: people think New York is like a den of iniquity.
Speaker 1: The fact that in this episode they go to New York,
Speaker 1: like multiple times is very like, how can we make
Speaker 1: SVU cover this?
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's one moment we will get to where it's
Speaker 2: like this is why they go there, and it's pretty
Speaker 2: funny and we'll get to it.
Speaker 3: So they're in New York. Lene is thirteen.
Speaker 2: She's wearing classic religious outfit, long sleeves, long skirt, and
Speaker 2: she's holding a stuffed pig.
Speaker 3: So she's a kid.
Speaker 2: She shouldn't even be thinking about who she's gonna be
Speaker 2: fucking like.
Speaker 3: That's my thing.
Speaker 2: It's like you're ap preaching all this chastity and all
Speaker 2: these things, but that's not even on your kid's mind,
Speaker 2: Like you are implanting it, I know.
Speaker 3: But I think they're like, let's get that going now.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 1: They're like, get it going before they even think of it,
Speaker 1: so that when the dick presents itself, they know just
Speaker 1: swat it away.
Speaker 2: It's just fresh in my mind because I'm on Instagram
Speaker 2: all day. But there's a lot of things where people
Speaker 2: are like homosexuality, like leave it out of the kids,
Speaker 2: And it's like, honestly, is it just like sexuality. It
Speaker 2: seems like to these hetero religious people is thrown on
Speaker 2: their children from such a young age. Like you guys
Speaker 2: are actually the creeps, Like why are you doing this?
Speaker 2: You know, and they think they're like morally superior or something,
Speaker 2: but you're truly forcing, like you're the creeps. You're forcing
Speaker 2: these sexual ideas and restrictions.
Speaker 3: On kids who would have just been chilling.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know when people are like, look it's your
Speaker 2: girlfriend and boyfriend. Look how cute, and it's like you're
Speaker 2: that's the thing, Like dancing shit could be a secular,
Speaker 2: like non sexual fun thing, but it's not because they
Speaker 2: force it, you know, like you should be able to
Speaker 2: dance with an uncle without being creeped out, but that
Speaker 2: is not the case. So we see them getting off
Speaker 2: the bus in New York. There's tons of luggage, so
Speaker 2: much luggage, and the girls are all talking about how
Speaker 2: they have to save themselves for marriage. Even though sex
Speaker 2: does involve multiple people. For some reason, the guys never
Speaker 2: talk never talked about it. The concept of virginity and
Speaker 2: chastity is not for men. But it's like then who
Speaker 2: are they fucking? Like what is happening? I just hate
Speaker 2: all of this is like truly boils my blood, Like
Speaker 2: this is Atli's a hot button for sure, It definitely is.
Speaker 2: So they're holding hands outside in a circle, probably praying.
Speaker 2: All the sisters are helping the girl who's daddy day dance.
Speaker 2: This is so to me. I'm like, how many of
Speaker 2: these dances have they done? There's so many of these kids,
Speaker 2: so they're just like hop into New York to do
Speaker 2: these dad and then she goes, I hope my daddy
Speaker 2: approves of my hair.
Speaker 3: It's twisted.
Speaker 1: Oh did you ever see the I don't really watch
Speaker 1: Say Yes to the Dress, but I hate the one
Speaker 1: where the dad has to approve the dress.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that doesn't bother me as much.
Speaker 1: They're like min desong as my daddy likes it, he's
Speaker 1: paying for it.
Speaker 3: I'm like yes.
Speaker 2: Because those episodes also include annoying mothers, weird sisters that
Speaker 2: are jealous, a gay best friend who thinks he knows everything.
Speaker 2: Like there's so much judgment on that show. It's not
Speaker 2: so glaring. Yeah, where it's like, Okay, this bitch has
Speaker 2: a dad, that girl has a you know, an ugly sister,
Speaker 2: so let's have it.
Speaker 3: It's not so.
Speaker 2: Much just like dads and if your dad and it's
Speaker 2: whoever's paying, usually that's who I guess who.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's just something gross about the girls coming.
Speaker 1: Out being like, what do you think, daddy, and like,
Speaker 1: I don't know. The dad's like too much boob, Like
Speaker 1: I don't like.
Speaker 2: This is also telling that we have a weird relationships
Speaker 2: with our fathers. Some people listening to this are like,
Speaker 2: I would totally no, it's weird. Don't take a bad
Speaker 2: wedding dress shopping.
Speaker 3: It's so fucked up. I would go alone.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't want anyone's fucking opinions unless you know my
Speaker 2: mom had a dying wish. Oh, okay, So the kid
Speaker 2: gets a tiara, which I like. So then we meet
Speaker 2: more of the kids. Summer is fifteen. There's Rick, there's
Speaker 2: Timber and they're married to each other and they've only
Speaker 2: kissed each other. And then there's Graham who's seventeen. And
Speaker 2: this is actually a YouTube category.
Speaker 3: I don't know if you know.
Speaker 2: About this, but people that save their first kisses to marriage,
Speaker 2: you can watch them kiss It's like a category. So
Speaker 2: you watch people who have never kissed in their lives
Speaker 2: kissing in front of everyone in the church for the
Speaker 2: first time, and they're terrible kissers. It looks horrific. They
Speaker 2: look like fish like being pounded against each other like
Speaker 2: it's really sickening. And so, because then it's adults. When
Speaker 2: kids don't know what they're doing. It's like you're in
Speaker 2: junior high.
Speaker 1: Or learning to kiss, right, these are grown people marrying
Speaker 1: each other, kissing for the first time in front of
Speaker 1: their families.
Speaker 3: So, oh my god, this is horrific. It's a risic.
Speaker 3: I can't the douche chills.
Speaker 1: Okay, wait, I was gonna ask a question, and now, oh, Timber, what.
Speaker 3: Do you think of the name?
Speaker 1: I feel like that's right out of the Sarah Palin
Speaker 1: name handbook. I feel like she should have had a Timber.
Speaker 2: I know, but I love the song Timber by Kesha.
Speaker 5: Oh.
Speaker 3: I know you do because you cleared a dance floor
Speaker 3: with it one yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I like Timber kim and it reminds me
Speaker 2: of a bo Jack Horseman character named Kimber, So I
Speaker 2: kind of like it.
Speaker 3: I'm on your list for baby names, got it? Timber?
Speaker 2: So the dad is spinning his daughter and she's not
Speaker 2: feeling good, and she's like stop stop, and he doesn't
Speaker 2: listen to her.
Speaker 3: I wonder why.
Speaker 2: I wonder why this man doesn't listen to his daughter
Speaker 2: who's asking him to please stop, you know what I mean. Yeah,
Speaker 2: just pretty telling, and then she passes out. She wobbles,
Speaker 2: passes out, amazing acting for a young child, like truly
Speaker 2: just passes the fuck out. So Chris Elliot suddenly on
Speaker 2: camera and he runs in and for those who don't know,
Speaker 2: he's in a scary movie too, and he has a
Speaker 2: little and he mixes the mashed.
Speaker 3: Potatoes with it.
Speaker 1: So but most recently, Shit's Creek. He's the mayor of
Speaker 1: the town and.
Speaker 3: That's very popular show. Oh yeah, all my references are
Speaker 3: twenty five to thirty years so sorry.
Speaker 2: But he is not dressed in Purity Ball outfits, so
Speaker 2: you're like, who is this guy. He's dressed in secular
Speaker 2: clothing and he obviously knows this family.
Speaker 3: He's like, call the cops, give her air.
Speaker 2: He's actually trying to help out and we will learn
Speaker 2: more about him later. So, Benson, Finn, and Caries you
Speaker 2: are doing some walking and talking, chatting about what's happened.
Speaker 2: Carisi tells Benson it was the fourth kid out of ten,
Speaker 2: and Benson is horrified when she finds out about the
Speaker 2: Virtue Ball. Obviously we're all on the same page, like
Speaker 2: we wouldn't be disagreeing with her queen.
Speaker 3: So she's also like what and Casey.
Speaker 2: Explains it to her and says it's when girls promised
Speaker 2: to be virgins for their daddy. And Finn is like, well,
Speaker 2: you know, so much for that promise because ladies three
Speaker 2: months pregnant dune dune dum sous. Because you know they're
Speaker 2: not into abortions.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, if someone has long sleeves and long.
Speaker 3: Skirt, they don't love abortion.
Speaker 2: So then Benson looks back at the family and they're
Speaker 2: in a circle praying in front of the vending machines.
Speaker 3: Credits. That's a pretty jam packed opening scene.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, And we come back and we have Benson
Speaker 2: and Finn talking to the parents and the parents are like,
Speaker 2: we didn't call the cops, and she's like, yeah, the
Speaker 2: doctor did obviously. And then, off topic of this child
Speaker 2: that's pregnant, Benson's highlights are poppin' long hair later season,
Speaker 2: and I'm wondering if she'll ever go short again.
Speaker 3: I feel like she likes long hair and she's never.
Speaker 1: I don't think she will now because, like, not to
Speaker 1: be insulting in any way, but her face has gotten
Speaker 1: like a little bit white. She doesn't have quite the
Speaker 1: angular like face that she had in her younger days,
Speaker 1: and I don't I don't think that that's gonna work.
Speaker 2: I know, but they usually say when you become older,
Speaker 2: to cut your hair, but she defies all odds.
Speaker 3: Yeah, is able to rock long hair. So who are
Speaker 3: these rules? Keep your hair how you want. It's fucked up.
Speaker 2: So Benson's like, okay, yeah, that's a thirteen year old
Speaker 2: pregnant person. So yeah, we're obviously involved, and the dad goes,
Speaker 2: this is a family matter, and it just is confusing
Speaker 2: to me because suddenly you know, it's purity Ball, Purity Ball,
Speaker 2: purity ball, virginity, virginity, and then your kid's pregnant and
Speaker 2: you're like, it's actually fine. So it's just like, I
Speaker 2: don't understand the tone of being so into virginity and
Speaker 2: then being so chill when your kid is fucking pregnant. Yeah, Like,
Speaker 2: don't you want to find the person.
Speaker 3: Who did it? You fucking hypocrites?
Speaker 2: Like how do you travel to go to a purity
Speaker 2: ball and then try to sweep a pregnant kid under
Speaker 2: the rug.
Speaker 3: It's like it just doesn't make sense.
Speaker 2: And there's tons of these moments in this show that
Speaker 2: are like you are not doing you know, it's like
Speaker 2: the mental gymnastics people do to believe in the shit
Speaker 2: they believe in. Yeah, so the parents won't let Benson
Speaker 2: or anyone talk to the kid, and it's like, you can't,
Speaker 2: she's upset, and they're like no, we have to and
Speaker 2: they're like no, and the parents say, well, we want
Speaker 2: to talk to Lane first. She doesn't even know she's
Speaker 2: pregnant yet, and Finn is like, yeah, but she knows.
Speaker 3: How she got pregnant. Hello.
Speaker 2: Mom says, we don't need your help and she's our
Speaker 2: daughter and we'll take care of her. And Benson explains
Speaker 2: how she got pregnant is a crime, and the mom says,
Speaker 2: if she was hurt, she would tell us, but it's
Speaker 2: like she didn't.
Speaker 3: She's pregnant. What the fuck? Three months have gone by.
Speaker 3: She has not told you what happens.
Speaker 2: So then they try to get scooped from the doctor
Speaker 2: and the doctor is like, I couldn't get a second
Speaker 2: with her.
Speaker 3: The parents were there the whole time and I couldn't
Speaker 3: talk to her. And then the.
Speaker 2: Parents and detectives keep talking. They're like listen, we're good
Speaker 2: and we keep a good eye on our kids.
Speaker 3: Back off, and it's like, no, your kid is pregnant.
Speaker 3: You did a bad job.
Speaker 2: Like yeah, it's a Twilight sub No one makes sense,
Speaker 2: but they believe it anyways. So Benson asks like, hey,
Speaker 2: is she alone with any boys? And they say no,
Speaker 2: of course not, she's homeschooled. Then runs in the pastor
Speaker 2: perfect timing SVU style, and he is disgusting obviously, and
Speaker 2: he's like, listen, we're going to handle this with the
Speaker 2: local authorities. And but you don't think he's a little
Speaker 2: bit handsome? No, I thought the pastor was a little cute.
Speaker 3: No, that hairdoo to me? Is you have seen you? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Not great the fashion, the hair is not great. But
Speaker 1: like facially I was like, oh, this is like a
Speaker 1: handsome man.
Speaker 3: That's a pastor. No, he's gonna have like a Jeffrey
Speaker 3: Koeberg career. This is a creep.
Speaker 2: You will be paying creeps from now on. I will
Speaker 2: never see him. Now I understand my mother. My mother
Speaker 2: always hates the people that play villains, and I think
Speaker 2: she's crazy.
Speaker 3: And now I am her. The transition is complete.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So he says they're going to handle with local authorities.
Speaker 2: Which is actually the first time I caught this little
Speaker 2: foreshadow nugget and I've seen this episode like seven times,
Speaker 2: but this is a foreshadow. So this pastor is also
Speaker 2: the family's lawyer. Perfect. So we're back at the precinct.
Speaker 2: Benson's pissed. She's very frustrated, and with her is Rollin's baby,
Speaker 2: Dodds and Finn and Creesy, and Rollins brings up the Duggers,
Speaker 2: and I really like when they do this, when they
Speaker 2: bring up like a real life case, like yeah, I
Speaker 2: think Rolin's brought up Jimmy Saville once and so I
Speaker 2: just I love when they bring it back down to reality.
Speaker 2: It also is easy for us that way too, assuming
Speaker 2: a which case to cover and Careese is.
Speaker 3: Like, listen, leave them alone. They just love God, they're
Speaker 3: just nice.
Speaker 2: And Dodds is like, whatever the parents said, no, who cares,
Speaker 2: and Benson reminds him like, you know, she's thirteen, so
Speaker 2: it doesn't really matter, and Dodds goes, yeah, but I've
Speaker 2: tried to penetrate religious Jews and they're very secretive and
Speaker 2: they're not talking, and that's true too. Yeah, but instead
Speaker 2: of stopping, we love Benson and why it's because she
Speaker 2: goes That's why we push harder. You don't say, oh,
Speaker 2: there's a religious sect not letting us in. Okay, I
Speaker 2: guess we're gonna let all these kids be abused.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this isn't Benson's first time tangoing with a religious sect.
Speaker 1: I mean she's infiltrated the Jews before, and she's not
Speaker 1: afraid to do it to the Christian.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean.
Speaker 2: Also, like we've learned and this was a listener or suggestion,
Speaker 2: and it's true, they have to have characters have the
Speaker 2: opposite point of view to get these lessons across to
Speaker 2: the public. But Dodds is so annoying. She is so
Speaker 2: annoying this whole episode, Like she's your fucking boss. Okay,
Speaker 2: just do what she says. But he shouldn't be a
Speaker 2: cop if your thing is like, oh, they're secretive, Okay,
Speaker 2: I guess we have to let kids suffer. Like go
Speaker 2: on your fucking business trajectory. So Benson's like, listen, this
Speaker 2: girl's life is insular as hell. Who does she spend
Speaker 2: time with? Those are the suspects. So it's a predator
Speaker 2: with access, but they're kind of stuck because it's outside
Speaker 2: of the jurisdiction. But Rollin's is doing some internet searches
Speaker 2: and she finds a blog and then they blog the
Speaker 2: shit out of their lives. And they were in New
Speaker 2: York around the time that she got pregnant, which gives
Speaker 2: them reason to investigate to see what's up. And Rollin's
Speaker 2: is pregnant in this episode begging to go to work.
Speaker 2: Everyone's like, sit down, relax, do paperwork, and she's like, no,
Speaker 2: I gotta go work, and she goes, I'm the only
Speaker 2: one who watches this fucking show. Okay, I have the
Speaker 2: inside scoop and they make her sit down.
Speaker 3: That's the thing about Rollins.
Speaker 1: When we finally get Kelly Giddish on the show, we
Speaker 1: have to be like, your character knows everything about media
Speaker 1: and pop culture.
Speaker 3: Like she's always like that's the monster, Like she always
Speaker 3: like knows.
Speaker 1: Who the athletic people are, she knows she watches American Diva.
Speaker 1: I mean, like she knows all pop culture stuff. Maybe
Speaker 1: we should give her another chance.
Speaker 2: So Intent, which was what we're talking about, was on
Speaker 2: TV yesterday. Truly watched it and then a friend facetimeed
Speaker 2: me and she goes, So you're just never sick of SVU.
Speaker 3: I go, no, it's a sickness. I don't know what
Speaker 3: to tell you.
Speaker 2: It's also episodes we fully covered in depth, and I'm
Speaker 2: just like sitting pushing plans back, watching Blue Glacier episodes,
Speaker 2: watching on multiple screens, and it's like I put off
Speaker 2: SVU work sometimes to just watch other SVU episodes and
Speaker 2: it's like, just watch the one you have to watch,
Speaker 2: but I'm like, nah, like it is pretty crazy.
Speaker 1: I love finding one. I love finding one where I'm like,
Speaker 1: I don't remember the ending of this one. I remember
Speaker 1: sort of what's happening, but what happens It's like Christmas.
Speaker 2: Well, I was watching the Amy Smart one and I
Speaker 2: was jumping up and down.
Speaker 3: I couldn't sit.
Speaker 1: I got off my bed and started pacing and shaking
Speaker 1: like I hadn't seen it eight times, like I.
Speaker 3: Couldn't believe it.
Speaker 2: But I was like, what, I don't remember what happened,
Speaker 2: Like it was just like a shoot off. It's just
Speaker 2: great television. So anyway, I mean, this is gonna be
Speaker 2: so long. This alone is going to be eight hours long.
Speaker 3: I can't stop.
Speaker 2: Okay, so much opinions out of this son, so Phil
Speaker 2: Finnan dot Oh my god, if I call him Phil
Speaker 2: Finn and Dodds. What if, remind, what if I get
Speaker 2: a shark iced tea tattoo? Because I've wanted a shark
Speaker 2: tattoo and and an SVU? What if I get a
Speaker 2: little shark that looks like iced tea? Wow, Well, according
Speaker 2: to your face, that's a bad idea.
Speaker 1: Well, I just I don't understand what that would look
Speaker 1: like in my mind, I'm trying to put it together.
Speaker 3: Well, I don't know, we have iced tea spatial features?
Speaker 1: Yeah, but then a Finn, Yeah, okay, I'll talk to Carly.
Speaker 3: Your tattoos always turn out great, so who knows.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, that's nice of you all. Not always red
Speaker 2: hot chili pepper on my ankle for life. Okay, well
Speaker 2: that's a taste level thing, but you know, all right,
Speaker 2: So Fin and Dodds go check things out, and the
Speaker 2: elevator doors closed, and Dodds tries to talk shit about Olivia,
Speaker 2: and it's like to Finn, yeah, they've known each other
Speaker 2: for two decades. This is Chauvin's behavior.
Speaker 3: Though.
Speaker 2: This is the thing, like this guy thinks that this
Speaker 2: other guy is just gonna think this woman is crazy.
Speaker 2: But it's like gnaw bitch. Finn's on Olivia's side. And
Speaker 2: this has happened to me where someone tried to talk
Speaker 2: shit about our friend Megan to me and I was like,
Speaker 2: are you out of your mind?
Speaker 4: Bitch?
Speaker 2: And then she acted like a victim because I was
Speaker 2: not nice to her, But I'm like, you are insane
Speaker 2: to talk shit about a clear like most of my
Speaker 2: Instagram photos are with her. Why would you talk shit
Speaker 2: about Meghan to anyone else but not to me?
Speaker 3: Like you will have a problem.
Speaker 1: Wait and side note, our friend Meghan had a girl
Speaker 1: talk shit about her to her. Yeah, this girl was
Speaker 1: so drunk that she went do you know this girl Meghan?
Speaker 1: And like she was talking to Meghan? That is one
Speaker 1: of my favorite stories.
Speaker 3: Of all times.
Speaker 1: And Meghan added in She's like, oh yeah, tell me.
Speaker 1: She was like, bitch sucks.
Speaker 3: If anyone can talk shit about themselves, it's Megan. Yeah.
Speaker 3: But I've also been this person.
Speaker 2: I talked shit about someone I didn't like and this
Speaker 2: guy kept being like, no, that's my friend, like when
Speaker 2: you're not, and I wouldn't stop, and finally I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: you're a good friend, my bad You are right, you
Speaker 2: are right, should not have done that this other bitch. No,
Speaker 2: she just well we're fine now. I yelled at her
Speaker 2: in an elevator at a festival. But we're friends. Yeah,
Speaker 2: we wave to each other anyways. He's like, listen, is
Speaker 2: she always this proactive? And I just goes, is there
Speaker 2: a problem? And he keeps talking about Brooklyn and the
Speaker 2: DA calling off and YadA YadA what his dad said
Speaker 2: about picking battles. And I was thinking, Stabler and Tomorrow
Speaker 2: obviously have their problems, but they're also hot.
Speaker 3: Dods, You're not hot, so some people think he is.
Speaker 2: No one thinks okay, so people think yeah, the people
Speaker 2: that are like, why is much not on your sexy games?
Speaker 3: And it's like you can like someone off killed her.
Speaker 3: There's someone for everyone. Yeah, I guess.
Speaker 2: Dods is not hot though, and I'm mad that you're
Speaker 2: trying to argue with me about that.
Speaker 1: I'm look, look, look, look, he's not for me. But
Speaker 1: people a lot of people were like Dods. Like people
Speaker 1: like Dods.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they to kill him for us to be like
Speaker 3: sympathetic to him.
Speaker 2: He had to fully die for us to be like,
Speaker 2: all right, I feel bad.
Speaker 3: Oh you know who I think is hot? Not baby Dods.
Speaker 3: But Stone. I kind of think Stone is hot in
Speaker 3: like a Wall Street kind.
Speaker 2: Of like just Stone is classic good looks of course. Yeah,
Speaker 2: oh I think George Clute is hot. I'm a weird
Speaker 2: help we know Stone is hot. He could play Superman.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I feel like Dods is kind of in the same
Speaker 1: like category as those guys.
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, Dods is a physical Baby Dodds.
Speaker 2: Yeah, baby Peter Gallagher is hotter than Baby Dods. You know,
Speaker 2: Peter Gallagher is like fucked hot. Hollywood women like he Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean he.
Speaker 3: Was remember while you were sleeping? He was a hot guy.
Speaker 3: I love that movie.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's a Chicago movie for Sandraw Bullocks Chicago. Anyways,
Speaker 2: We're in this goddamn elevator and Isa's response is perfect,
Speaker 2: give him a medal. He goes, She's been doing this
Speaker 2: a long time. If she thinks something is fucked, it is, so.
Speaker 3: Who are yeah? Who are YEA?
Speaker 2: So the hospital discharged them, obviously, Ice is like what
Speaker 2: the fuck? Nurses like, oh oops, it's said.
Speaker 3: To call you.
Speaker 2: We didn't my bad, but SBUs very acab are they
Speaker 2: also anti nurse? Like, I just wonder what this is
Speaker 2: because it's really mean.
Speaker 3: It's fucked up.
Speaker 2: So we follow the detectives to the bus outside the
Speaker 2: church and they're trying to peace out, and the parents
Speaker 2: are doing a video segment like all smiles to the camera,
Speaker 2: and Chris Elliott is the cameraman, so that's who helped
Speaker 2: earlier when the daughter passed out.
Speaker 3: He is the cameraman we learn.
Speaker 2: So Finn and Dodds are like, hey, what's up, and
Speaker 2: they're like no, no, no, no, no no. Finn says, well,
Speaker 2: you guys were in New York in July. It couldn't
Speaker 2: happened here, so we're gonna like figure out who this was.
Speaker 2: And a crowd starts forming, and since they want their
Speaker 2: like baggage to be secret, they agree to go to
Speaker 2: the precinct and chat, so there's not like a crowd listening.
Speaker 2: And Chris's running a day okay, He's watching other kids,
Speaker 2: he's feeding the vending machine snacks, he's getting the kid's pizza.
Speaker 2: He asks Graham to help him order. He's doing a
Speaker 2: lot of manipulation games with these children. He's trying to
Speaker 2: get scoop from the oldest boy and he's like, why
Speaker 2: were you in New York?
Speaker 3: What's going on? What happened? They flew to New York
Speaker 3: to cover graffiti? I did not pick up on that.
Speaker 3: I did not.
Speaker 2: Pick up on that the most pointless of charity work
Speaker 2: you can do.
Speaker 3: It's like.
Speaker 2: Your fly, why don't you feed some people? Why don't
Speaker 2: you hand out tampons to some shelters? Like what the
Speaker 2: fuck is going on? To fly through multiple state lines
Speaker 2: or driving this god forsaken bus to cover up graffiti?
Speaker 3: Like is there? Why? Who cares? Who needs this so nuts?
Speaker 3: Who needs so nuts? To cover up graffiti? And think
Speaker 3: you're doing a good job?
Speaker 2: Like this is like the cold sure that I don't
Speaker 2: understand why religious people don't just stop.
Speaker 3: I'm like I'm lumping him in with people.
Speaker 2: It's like you hated rock and roll, you lost, you
Speaker 2: didn't want SegReg you know, you didn't want schools to
Speaker 2: what is it?
Speaker 3: Integrate? Integrate?
Speaker 2: And you were wrong? Like you're wrong about everything? When
Speaker 2: do you just go, you know what? Let the graffiti stay? Yeah,
Speaker 2: don't look at it truly on a like on.
Speaker 1: The bottom of a list of problems with New York
Speaker 1: City that could use some help, you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: Like the bottom is the graffiti ran.
Speaker 2: Some trees, pick up some dog shit, just give sanitation
Speaker 2: kits to the homeless, like there are water bottles on
Speaker 2: a hot day.
Speaker 1: Truly, so many ways to help people, that is the kitchens.
Speaker 1: I mean yeah, the options are endless, like scraping off
Speaker 1: somebody's tag, I mean please. I wonder if they got
Speaker 1: the idea from Sister Act or something in the montage,
Speaker 1: but well maybe they were like, nothing would have ever
Speaker 1: happened to that sweet little boy Logan who was up
Speaker 1: on that roof.
Speaker 3: Maybe they were referring to identity.
Speaker 1: He never would have been a guy's penis going down
Speaker 1: and actually was Lucas, not Logan, but yeah, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we know, we know. So anyways, he's like, did
Speaker 2: you notice anything creepy? We need your help, and he goes, no,
Speaker 2: it's just us, you know, and the crew, and that's that.
Speaker 3: So then.
Speaker 2: They're gonna talk to Lane without the parents, and the
Speaker 2: dads really livid that they're going to do that, and
Speaker 2: they go, yeah, but that's policy.
Speaker 3: So that's what it is.
Speaker 2: And the mom is with Rollins and Ra and the
Speaker 2: mom asks Rollin's like, hey, is your husband okay with
Speaker 2: you working with so many men, and it's just like
Speaker 2: perfect line of questioning, and Rollins goes, it's not a problem,
Speaker 2: and then she guesses how many months along Rollins is
Speaker 2: and notices no wedding ring and just assumes it's because
Speaker 2: her hand is swelling. And it's just like, I love
Speaker 2: closed minded in this sometimes it's just so fun. So
Speaker 2: Benson is with Lane obviously they got to put the
Speaker 2: big guns in with her, and she says, you know
Speaker 2: how you got pregnant. She goes, I had sexual activity,
Speaker 2: and when Benson says it's not your fault, she says, yep,
Speaker 2: he says that to me too, and I'm still a
Speaker 2: good person. And Benson's like, I need the name. She says,
Speaker 2: I can't say it. I promised not to tell. So
Speaker 2: DoD's just talking to the dad and the dad is like, well,
Speaker 2: I'm going to go get the lawyer. And it's like, oh,
Speaker 2: did you do something wrong? Oh you didn't, so then
Speaker 2: why do you need a lawyer? I like love this gameplay,
Speaker 2: even though you know you always get a lawyer. Do
Speaker 2: not ever talk to the police without one.
Speaker 1: So Benson is with the girl and she's like, girl,
Speaker 1: tell me who it is, who it is, and she says, no,
Speaker 1: this guy wouldn't hurt me.
Speaker 3: He loves me. And she's like, you said you wouldn't
Speaker 3: say it. Why don't you write it down so then
Speaker 3: it's not breaking your promise.
Speaker 1: Or as Derinda would say, say it, forget it, write
Speaker 1: it down, regret it. Ever, when Derenda say that about
Speaker 1: text messages, no, but who sent a Tyler Perry quote?
Speaker 3: That was part of it?
Speaker 1: Okay, but then Derenda sent it to Perry quote. So
Speaker 1: it's like, I don't know who's right here, Drinda. Anyway, Sorry,
Speaker 1: that's our Housewives segment for today.
Speaker 2: So Chris Elliot's and the other crew guys are putting
Speaker 2: the gear on the truck and he says, don't worry.
Speaker 2: They'll ship her off to some camp in the woods
Speaker 2: and we'll be up and running in no time. Think again,
Speaker 2: Finn and Creasy ask him for a DNA sample. They say,
Speaker 2: open your mouth. They have a warrant to look through everything,
Speaker 2: and that you rape Laney. And it's like what And
Speaker 2: even the mom has like Pete our cameraman, no way
Speaker 2: did Pete do this.
Speaker 3: He's like he's watched the kids grow up. We trusted him.
Speaker 3: There's no way.
Speaker 2: The parents refuse an amnio obviously to like try to
Speaker 2: connect the DNA, you know, And she goes, we don't
Speaker 2: believe in things like that.
Speaker 3: What don't you believe in? What is this?
Speaker 2: Even this isn't in the Bible. An amnio is not
Speaker 2: a thing that has any morality built into it. What
Speaker 2: are you fucking talking about? They think it would endanger
Speaker 2: the life of the baby. Okay, but your baby is pregnant.
Speaker 3: I know. I mean, I know you okay, So anyways,
Speaker 3: I'm not taking it personally.
Speaker 2: So the mom is like, well, why don't you just
Speaker 2: get him to confess? So isn't that your job? So
Speaker 2: Benson reminds her, like, hey, girl, like you have other daughters,
Speaker 2: So mate, let's make sure we get to the bottom
Speaker 2: of this. Chrisy and Finner with Chris Elliot in interrogation,
Speaker 2: and I noticed Chris Elliot, Chris Maloney, Elliott Stabler, that's
Speaker 2: a fun little name. But he has a gray Camo
Speaker 2: laptop and there's footage of the teen girls changing in
Speaker 2: the bathroom and he denies the rape. He's like, yes,
Speaker 2: the tape is a bad look. I should have deleted it.
Speaker 2: I'm supposed to capture everything, like it is wrong that
Speaker 2: I have this video and I kept it, but I'm
Speaker 2: not raping children. And they say she's pregnant and once
Speaker 2: we get the DNA, you're done. And he smiles and
Speaker 2: is so happy, and you're like, what's going on? He
Speaker 2: had of aseectomy, like ten years ago, he had of aseectomy.
Speaker 3: He didn't do it. Laney is lying.
Speaker 2: She's obviously protecting someone closer to the family, and I
Speaker 2: love this twist.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a great twist.
Speaker 1: But it's also like, are you like, do these idiot
Speaker 1: religious people are don't like, do you guys know that
Speaker 1: about DNA testing?
Speaker 3: Like they're gonna check and see if this man is
Speaker 3: the dad, you know, like we've just talked to you
Speaker 3: about an amnio. You can't like this fake story is
Speaker 3: like not gonna go anywhere.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: Al also entitlement their small town and we'll learn more
Speaker 2: about their dumbass town. But I this is one of
Speaker 2: my top twenty moments of spew. I would say, like,
Speaker 2: I love this vasectomy drop.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: They ask why she would say it was you, and
Speaker 2: he goes, you know what, I've been thinking about this
Speaker 2: in my head the whole time, and he's like, listen,
Speaker 2: she's a good girl and she does what she's told.
Speaker 3: And this family protects their own.
Speaker 2: And he has tons of footage in the cloud and
Speaker 2: he's gonna reveal some fucking secrets. And Dodd says, maybe
Speaker 2: he just looks like a creep and isn't a creep shade.
Speaker 2: He doesn't even look creepy, like Dods, you look more
Speaker 2: fucked up. Careesy shows the tapes and it's the brother
Speaker 2: Graham who's a problem. He's like touching the piano teacher's boobs,
Speaker 2: and the town judge knew this and sent him away
Speaker 2: to camp. Write you for Jesus, freak scorebad. The camp
Speaker 2: is in Allenville, and so now they have to go.
Speaker 2: So they go to Allenville. They're at a golf course
Speaker 2: trying to get scooped from this judge that sent him away,
Speaker 2: and like it's just another annoying thing where he says,
Speaker 2: you know, it's not his fault, he just needed help.
Speaker 2: There's no criminal charges a boy with that many sisters,
Speaker 2: they just need some boy time. It's like, if you
Speaker 2: want to fuck your sisters, there's a problem.
Speaker 3: Oh my god.
Speaker 2: These the mental gymnastics can't stop fucking saying that. So
Speaker 2: the judge is playing golf with the pastor's dad and
Speaker 2: the son is the family lawyer. Like, you know, there's
Speaker 2: just a lot of ancestual shit happening in this town
Speaker 2: and it's very insular, and they're just showing how like
Speaker 2: these powerful dudes play golf together and are in charge
Speaker 2: of everything. And Christi and Finn are driving and it's
Speaker 2: very get out vibes. And if you've not seen get Out,
Speaker 2: see it. They get pulled over, of course, and the
Speaker 2: cop is swarmy and annoying and disgusting but lets them go,
Speaker 2: and then inside his coat pocket he reaches out and
Speaker 2: gives him like a long envelope and says, this is
Speaker 2: for you. And so this like annoying us cop is
Speaker 2: actually a good guy. He's on our side. So another twist,
Speaker 2: another great twist in this show, and it's Graham's Juvie records.
Speaker 2: There's three complaints of forcible touching, one attempt of assault,
Speaker 2: speeding tickets, and it was all ordered to be sealed
Speaker 2: by this judge. So the pastor, mom, Laney, and dad
Speaker 2: are with a handful of other people doing some sort
Speaker 2: of Bible study and Benson and Dodds ask for some
Speaker 2: private time with the parents, and the pastor Benson stares
Speaker 2: down Laney the girl, like, I know what you did,
Speaker 2: you dumb bitch.
Speaker 3: So Benson would never call the girl of a bitch. Okay.
Speaker 3: So they're doing a normal parent thing, like we did
Speaker 3: a great job raising her.
Speaker 2: She wouldn't lie. She wouldn't lie. And it's like the parents,
Speaker 2: you actually suck, that's why we all have problems.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 2: So Benson brings Graham into the conversation and they say, whatever,
Speaker 2: he's a boy, it's show, it's curiosity.
Speaker 3: We dealt with it.
Speaker 2: And he's actually now an Ecuador for a mission trip,
Speaker 2: so you can't talk to him. And Dad's like, oh,
Speaker 2: you guys work fast, motherfuckers. And Benson gets in the
Speaker 2: pastor's face and is like the judge or your dad called,
Speaker 2: you told you. And now Graham's out of town, like
Speaker 2: we see what's going on, and he turns like lawyer
Speaker 2: card immediately.
Speaker 3: And kicks them out of the church.
Speaker 2: Benson can't leave and tries to appeal to the mom's
Speaker 2: inner spirit of wanting to keep her kids safe, and
Speaker 2: she says, these issues don't just go away, and your
Speaker 2: daughter needs help back of the precinct. It's group project time.
Speaker 2: They're all together. Rollin's with the info. Says she's been
Speaker 2: watching the show and they usually show the whole pregnancy
Speaker 2: in the show, but not with the latest kid.
Speaker 3: With Tate, who's two years old.
Speaker 2: Everyone's spaced out, but not Tate, who was born eleven
Speaker 2: months apart. And usually she announces all the pregnancies pretty early,
Speaker 2: but they didn't with Tate. It wasn't until seven months,
Speaker 2: and there's like really no photos, and like there's just
Speaker 2: a bunch of photos of her not pregnant within the
Speaker 2: time and nothing makes sense. So then they're like, holy shit,
Speaker 2: maybe Graham and pregnant another sister, and that's fucking Tate.
Speaker 2: So they think it's Summer, who was sent to another
Speaker 2: to hang out with a sick aunt that season, that
Speaker 2: maybe she was the one who was pregnant and that's
Speaker 2: why they kept her off camera. Dodds keeps trying to
Speaker 2: be like, this case is done, this case is done.
Speaker 2: Why are we doing this, and Benson goes, yeah, your
Speaker 2: point has been made, thank you, we heard you. They
Speaker 2: need to get Graham and Tate's DNA, but from the
Speaker 2: pizza party, Tate drooled on Careese's jacket when he was
Speaker 2: being you know, daddy daycare. And then they can get
Speaker 2: the dad's DNA from his time in the military, so
Speaker 2: it's already in the system, and then they'll get the
Speaker 2: baby's DNA from the drool. So then you know, the
Speaker 2: time has gone by, and Benson leaves and Dodds is
Speaker 2: still doing paperwork at his desk and said, my dad
Speaker 2: told me don't get up from my desk until the
Speaker 2: boss leaves his. And it's like, you mean hers, but also,
Speaker 2: do you have daddy issues? Why do you have to
Speaker 2: do everything your dad says like it? Grow up? Benson
Speaker 2: asked to be walked out by Dodds and he apologizes
Speaker 2: and Benson's like, Chill, I just have two rules. I'm
Speaker 2: down for open and free ideas, but two I am
Speaker 2: always right.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 2: So we're dealing with DNA tech Susan Chung, so finally
Speaker 2: we get some science involved. The baby is not an
Speaker 2: incest baby, so who did this? And rollin Suddenly something
Speaker 2: goes wrong ouch ouch and needs to go to the hospital.
Speaker 2: Kriese's there with her, telling her she needs rest, and
Speaker 2: doctors agree she needs to be on bed rest. She's
Speaker 2: questioning all her life decisions, which I agree with, but
Speaker 2: she is having this baby, and you know, Cariese tolds
Speaker 2: her there's nothing you can't handle. You can do it all,
Speaker 2: and her acting is great, and she's crying and she's
Speaker 2: confused and YadA YadA, and he goes, don't worry. My
Speaker 2: mom lit a candle for you at her church, so
Speaker 2: you'll be okay. Benson gets scooped from Caresy and she
Speaker 2: fills in the crew and then Paternal News drops closed community.
Speaker 2: Who can it be? Benson says, oh my god, it's
Speaker 2: the pastor. It's the fucking pastor. He was in New
Speaker 2: York on that trip. And also in the blog there's
Speaker 2: a photo of him with Summer and the pastor was
Speaker 2: at a Christmas mission trip also, like this is what
Speaker 2: they do.
Speaker 3: It's the fucking pastor.
Speaker 2: He gets them away from the family, Like he gets
Speaker 2: the kids away from the family alone and then molests them,
Speaker 2: so you.
Speaker 3: Know, and it's a good old pastor.
Speaker 2: The pastor's like, listen, we're gonna go white graffiti off.
Speaker 2: Can I grab a kid? And they go, yeah, take
Speaker 2: the kid, pastor, and so diabolical, This fucker is evil
Speaker 2: and Kara likes him, so.
Speaker 3: No, I just think he has a cute face.
Speaker 2: Finn and Dobbs come in to get him, and he's
Speaker 2: wearing like the biggest silver cross I've ever seen. He
Speaker 2: starts babbling about jealousy and fear about the Christians and
Speaker 2: they he calls New York Camorra and how he's there
Speaker 2: to save the souls and they ask for a DNA
Speaker 2: sample and they have a warrant. He shocked, but they
Speaker 2: got to do the DNA test, so ha ha ha ha,
Speaker 2: And it's a match. It's a paternal match. Tape to
Speaker 2: the pastor, he is the rapist. They go on a
Speaker 2: chase to find him and they are getting married at
Speaker 2: a fucking courthouse. So Lane and the pastor are getting
Speaker 2: married at a courthouse.
Speaker 3: The detectives run in.
Speaker 1: This is a thirteen year old girl, yes, and a
Speaker 1: grown ass man who is a lawyer slash pastor.
Speaker 3: Yeah, where does he find the time? Okay?
Speaker 2: So the detectives run in to stop this child bride
Speaker 2: wedding thing and it's so fucked and the parents are
Speaker 2: just standing there watching as their little kid gets married off.
Speaker 2: And the cop that gave them the papers like helps
Speaker 2: lead them in so you know, we love him. She
Speaker 2: and she just turned fourteen and the dad is the
Speaker 2: judge and it's legal and they're just gonna get married.
Speaker 2: And the dad says the pastor is just helping us
Speaker 2: out and willing to provide for her and the baby
Speaker 2: and he'd be a great son in law.
Speaker 3: And Benson looks.
Speaker 2: So angry, like so angry, and looks at the mom
Speaker 2: and goes, you gave consent and like they think.
Speaker 3: They're protecting their daughter.
Speaker 2: So the mom is like, this is good, and we'll
Speaker 2: give a bit, you know, give the baby a name
Speaker 2: and be like the father figure. And then it's like,
Speaker 2: well this is fitting because he is the father and
Speaker 2: the mom's face drops.
Speaker 3: She is shook.
Speaker 2: So Benson gives her the scoop and is like, listen,
Speaker 2: the pastor's the dad and to Summer's baby, and mom
Speaker 2: says Summer didn't have a.
Speaker 3: Baby, and it's like, come on, we know, yeah, jig
Speaker 3: is up. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And then the pastor is also a lawyer, so then
Speaker 2: he's like, what we're done talking to you, And then
Speaker 2: he adds that Tate's DNA is admissible in court because
Speaker 2: you didn't get permission to test it, and then Careesy
Speaker 2: has an amazing burn and goes, it's really bad that
Speaker 2: you're making a legal argument right now. Ough perfect. I
Speaker 2: hope I get to use that in person one day.
Speaker 2: I hope there's some guy that's talking about like legality
Speaker 2: of fucking underage girls or so, and then I get
Speaker 2: to bring this up, like this is such a good line,
Speaker 2: so that on a T shirt.
Speaker 3: That was my next note.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like, why are you making a legal argument if
Speaker 2: you didn't do it? Usually you go, I didn't do it.
Speaker 3: I didn't do it. I would never.
Speaker 2: I would never, you know. But DNA doesn't lie, and
Speaker 2: Benson looks so hot. Then we find out Graham never
Speaker 2: said he did it to the parents. The pastor said
Speaker 2: that Graham confessed to him. So we was also willing
Speaker 2: to sell this boy down to a different country to
Speaker 2: get away with this. Runs to Lane and says, tell
Speaker 2: me the truth. It's okay. She says, he loves me
Speaker 2: and it's God's plan for us. And he's still saying that,
Speaker 2: you know, we're gonna get married, and she starts screaming.
Speaker 2: She goes, this is just a child, and it's like, kiss,
Speaker 2: where have you been? We've been saying this the whole episode.
Speaker 3: This is a kid.
Speaker 2: What are you guys not wanting to investigate? And now
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, like the spell has been broken.
Speaker 2: It's midnight Cinderella's style, and she's like, this is a child.
Speaker 3: What are you doing?
Speaker 2: And she screams and summer and it seems like she
Speaker 2: cares about summer more than this kid.
Speaker 3: But whatever.
Speaker 2: He then says, Frank, control your wife, and she says no,
Speaker 2: and he says, you don't say no to your husband,
Speaker 2: and so she then says she will testify about Tate
Speaker 2: and everything. The pastor still tries to talk his way
Speaker 2: out of this, like you don't want to let your
Speaker 2: fans down, do you. So the mom apologizes to Lane
Speaker 2: and is like I should have protected you, and she says,
Speaker 2: I'm sorry. He told me this is what people in
Speaker 2: love do. And the mom says, they will tell the truth.
Speaker 2: I don't care about the show. I don't care about
Speaker 2: any thing. I want him put away. I care about
Speaker 2: my family. The local cops gets to arrest him, and
Speaker 2: the lawyer keeps rolling his eyes like like this is mock.
Speaker 3: Court or something.
Speaker 1: It's like, you, why are you still having attitude, and
Speaker 1: he says none of this will hold up in court
Speaker 1: and says, I love you to Lane one more time.
Speaker 3: And it's still cocky.
Speaker 2: And the Breakers are now on the news speaking out
Speaker 2: about all the abuse and the pastor and everything, and
Speaker 2: the squad is watching this confession news conference on New
Speaker 2: York One. Shout out to our friend Allison Libey, she
Speaker 2: loves New York One.
Speaker 3: Shout out to Pat Kiernan.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and pastor is pleading to multiple counts of statutory rape.
Speaker 2: Finn asks DoD if he still thinks this was a
Speaker 2: waste of time, and he goes, no, but I thought
Speaker 2: we'd be taking, you know, down rapists off the street,
Speaker 2: not from churches, and Benson goes, nah, rapists hunt where
Speaker 2: they are trusted, not in the streets.
Speaker 3: And then that's it. Dodds learns a lesson Boom.
Speaker 2: And that is the major lesson of rape crimes that
Speaker 2: I think is so misunderstood too, is like it's.
Speaker 1: Not just like yeah, shadowy figures in alleys, you.
Speaker 2: Know, yeah, and it's used as a way to like
Speaker 2: discredit victims. Stories are like but what about the and
Speaker 2: it's like, no, it's confusing. You don't want to turn
Speaker 2: on your friends. You're manipulated and it's just not really understood. Yeah,
Speaker 2: all right, let's go baby, true crime, duggar it go.
Speaker 1: Okay, let's get into the true situation.
Speaker 3: Crime. Yeah, it's a crime. There's crime. Yeah, this is
Speaker 3: your crime.
Speaker 1: I want to say first, I realized as you were
Speaker 1: talking about it, Lisa, that the whole mom having the
Speaker 1: secret baby, that's definitely I think based on Sarah Palin.
Speaker 1: That's it's definitely based on people think that her youngest baby, Trig,
Speaker 1: is Bristol's kid. Whether it's true or not, I have
Speaker 1: no idea about that as a conspiracy that's been going
Speaker 1: on for a really long time because similarly, like she
Speaker 1: was never photographed very pregnant, like she used to announce
Speaker 1: her pregnancies in a certain way like whatever, and then
Speaker 1: suddenly she just like had this baby. Suddenly she was
Speaker 1: eight months pregnant with Trigg.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: So interesting, But that's not obviously what this episode is
Speaker 1: based on. We are clearly talking about the Douggers, the
Speaker 1: Dugger family. This was interesting for me to research because,
Speaker 1: like I said, I knew like visually what they looked like,
Speaker 1: sitting in a fucking mass of children, but I'd never
Speaker 1: actually looked into anything about them. They came to prominence
Speaker 1: with their TLC reality show Seventeen Kids in Counting, which
Speaker 1: later became eighteen Kids Accounting and then nineteen Kids in
Speaker 1: Counting and that's when it ended. And the show centered
Speaker 1: around Michelle and Jim Bob Dugger of taunt to Town, Arkansas.
Speaker 1: And if you are from there, please don't write me
Speaker 1: in time. I'm mispronounced it. I really don't care about
Speaker 1: ton to Town.
Speaker 3: Sorry. And they're nineteen.
Speaker 1: Kids who all have names that begin with the letter J.
Speaker 1: And I do remember reading something about them in like
Speaker 1: a magazine like People or something, where I read one
Speaker 1: was named j I N G E R. And I
Speaker 1: was like, Jinger, but it's ginger. I couldn't understand why
Speaker 1: someone wu was named their kid Jinger.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I don't. Should I name all their names?
Speaker 1: Oh? Yeah, Okay, We've got Joshua, Jana, John, David, Jill, Jessa, Jinger, Joseph, Josiah,
Speaker 1: joy Anna, Jedediah, Jeremiah, Jason, James, Justin, Jackson, Joanna, Jennifer, Jordan, Grace,
Speaker 1: and Josie. And I think those are all the names
Speaker 1: that begin with Jay.
Speaker 2: I wish you read it like Cleatus from the Simpsons
Speaker 2: when he was naming his kids.
Speaker 3: But it's okay, Oh, I don't know that. I know
Speaker 3: you do it. How does he do it? Later?
Speaker 1: But I have all the name I have a screenshot
Speaker 1: of all the name. He goes, Oh, Melias, I'm bad
Speaker 1: at that.
Speaker 2: Don't put me on this. I shouldn't have said anything.
Speaker 2: Keep going, keep going.
Speaker 1: Or like when Bubba Gump when he's doing when he's
Speaker 1: doing all the kinds of shrimps.
Speaker 3: Yes, Jana John David. Okay, But what I love.
Speaker 1: Is like these people think they're like so devout and
Speaker 1: morally superior, and it's like you have the same naming
Speaker 1: like theory as the Kardashians.
Speaker 3: You ain't s you know, Like.
Speaker 1: It's so nuts. My aunt did this. I only have
Speaker 1: three cousins, but they all have m names and I'm
Speaker 1: just like, why why I don't understand that at all.
Speaker 1: But okay, So the Duggers are devout Baptists. They preached
Speaker 1: the values of purity, modesty, and faith in God. The
Speaker 1: parents got married at seventeen and nineteen, respectively. The wife
Speaker 1: was seventeen, the husband was nineteen, and they actually did
Speaker 1: use birth control pills earlier in their marriage, so they
Speaker 1: used birth control pills. They got off birth control pills
Speaker 1: to have the first kid. Then she got back on
Speaker 1: birth control pills after her first kid and got pregnant
Speaker 1: anyway with birth control pills, which can happen.
Speaker 3: And it led to a miscarriage, which can happen.
Speaker 1: And so then that was when they decided to allow
Speaker 1: God to determine the number of children they would have
Speaker 1: or you can pull out, but whatever. So that's when
Speaker 1: they started having just like a shit ton of children.
Speaker 1: And I think she was having a kid like every
Speaker 1: couple of years, their kid or every eighteen months.
Speaker 3: I believe she was having kids.
Speaker 1: And their kids had very limited exposure to media and
Speaker 1: mainstream forms of entertainment, and the kids would do something
Speaker 1: called group dating when they came of age, like they
Speaker 1: would go on groups where they got to know people
Speaker 1: in group settings. And the show started in two thousand
Speaker 1: and eight. It ran for ten seasons and it was
Speaker 1: one of TLC's highest rated shows. It was truly a
Speaker 1: smash hit for TLC. I watched it, and oh yeah, well,
Speaker 1: Lisa was one of those millions of people who watched
Speaker 1: and it was canceled in twenty fifteen following the revelation
Speaker 1: that the eldest son, Josh, had molested five young girls
Speaker 1: at a team, including a couple of his own sisters,
Speaker 1: and that his parents knew about it and kept it quiet.
Speaker 2: That's another thing that upsets me. It's all about like
Speaker 2: chastity for the girls. Girls, girls, and it's like all
Speaker 2: the boys are running around committing crimes. Yeah, maybe, why
Speaker 2: don't you put some parenting onto these fucking boys. Yeah, exactly,
Speaker 2: Hiding that your son is molesting people. It's like they're
Speaker 2: the lowest of the low and they will burn in hell. Yeah, JK,
Speaker 2: we're Jews, we don't believe in that.
Speaker 1: But so I actually looked at the police report. There
Speaker 1: are like screenshots of the police report which I will
Speaker 1: put into our show notes our sources. But the police
Speaker 1: report was filed in two thousand and six, and it
Speaker 1: was about events that happened in two thousand and two
Speaker 1: slash two thousand and three, and that was when Josh
Speaker 1: would have been about fourteen or fifteen. And from the
Speaker 1: police report, it seems like there was a random caller
Speaker 1: who called these tips in saying that Josh had fondled
Speaker 1: the breasts and vaginas of several victims while they were
Speaker 1: sleeping in the family's home, and that this happened four
Speaker 1: to five times between two thousand and two and two
Speaker 1: thousand and three. Victims included his own sister and non
Speaker 1: family members. It also says this was shocking to me.
Speaker 1: It also says that the family had traveled to Chicago
Speaker 1: to appear on Oprah. This is before they're even on
Speaker 1: a show. This is this is just like they're this
Speaker 1: family in Arkansas. The people know about this is like
Speaker 1: how they're on their rise to fame. They're in Chicago
Speaker 1: to appear on Oprah. The Oprah Show receives an email
Speaker 1: from a sixty one year old unidentified female that warned
Speaker 1: the show about the Dougger family, and I would like
Speaker 1: to read the email here. Should I do it in
Speaker 1: a Southern accent?
Speaker 3: Yes? No, I won't.
Speaker 1: All right, I'll do it a Southern accent. Before you
Speaker 1: air the Dougger family from Arkansas with redacted, you need
Speaker 1: to know the truth. They are not what they seem
Speaker 1: to be. Redacted has molested redacted while redacted we're sleeping
Speaker 1: and the parents have been hid in this secret for
Speaker 1: a long time. Jimbob lies to his church and his
Speaker 1: friends to make him look good. At this moment, he
Speaker 1: is in trouble with the church for lying about redacted
Speaker 1: and things that concern the way the church members redacted.
Speaker 1: I think that you should know that the You should
Speaker 1: know the truth before they make a complete fool of
Speaker 1: you and your show. Respect for Oprah, They've been on
Speaker 1: TV before and come across as a perfect family, which
Speaker 1: couldn't be further from the truth. They jump from show
Speaker 1: to show to receive gifts for their family to make
Speaker 1: them look really good too. Please confront them about their secret.
Speaker 1: Here's what the Oprah Show did. They canceled the appearance
Speaker 1: and Harpo's studios then fax the email to the Department
Speaker 1: of Human Services hotline and that was when the report
Speaker 1: was open for an investigation. So truly, Oprah is one
Speaker 1: of the reasons why these charges even came out.
Speaker 3: Wow, I had no person who wrote the letter.
Speaker 1: The person who wrote the email, but like, I had
Speaker 1: no idea there was like an Oprah connection in this
Speaker 1: whole thing.
Speaker 3: It's kind of wild.
Speaker 1: So the report says that the Dugger parents were then
Speaker 1: brought in They confirmed the allegations to the police. They
Speaker 1: were like, yes, we knew about this. We discipline Josh
Speaker 1: for these acts. Jim Bob said that he consulted the
Speaker 1: elders of his church and they agreed that Josh would
Speaker 1: go to a treatment program. A treatment program Jimbob completely
Speaker 1: forgot the name of. He's like, oh, I forgot what
Speaker 1: it's called. So it's like, I don't think he wanted
Speaker 1: anyone to look into how non treatment e it was
Speaker 1: because they didn't want to send him to a true
Speaker 1: sex offender program. They were worried that he would learn
Speaker 1: to offend more seriously from other members of the program,
Speaker 1: which apparently people have said that when you go to
Speaker 1: sex offender treatment programs, like other offenders just teach you
Speaker 1: how to groom better and teach you how to do things.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but what if your kid's actually the most evil
Speaker 2: and he's teaching the others. You know, It's like it's
Speaker 2: always like, my kid wouldn't lie, my kid wouldn't do that.
Speaker 3: I can't send my kid.
Speaker 2: Your kid is the criminal, yes, for sure, blinded by love.
Speaker 3: Some of these parents, not me.
Speaker 1: Rosie's going to jail, Okay, So they put Josh into
Speaker 1: this Christian program in Little Rock for three months from
Speaker 1: March to July of two thousand and three, which consisted
Speaker 1: of hard physical labor and counseling. And I think nothing
Speaker 1: stops a sinful boner like hard physical work and counseling.
Speaker 1: And I'm being sarcastic that obviously probably did nothing. The
Speaker 1: Douggers said that they felt that no further assaults took
Speaker 1: place after Josh's treatment, But how could we ever fucking
Speaker 1: know that? We could never know? That it's possible he's
Speaker 1: molested tons of people that we don't.
Speaker 3: Even know about.
Speaker 1: Another part of the report says that a family member
Speaker 1: who the Douggers would not identify.
Speaker 3: Wrote a letter.
Speaker 1: They wrote a letter down about what had happened at
Speaker 1: the time in two thousand and three, put it in
Speaker 1: a book, and then the book was completely forgotten about,
Speaker 1: and then the book was lent out to someone in
Speaker 1: the Dougger's church and eventually found. And the person who
Speaker 1: found that letter is the one who called the hotline wow,
Speaker 1: and maybe the one that wrote the email to Oprah
Speaker 1: who knows.
Speaker 3: They won't reveal who this person is.
Speaker 1: So Jim Bob said that Josh confessed to a state
Speaker 1: trooper what he did after he returned to rehab, but
Speaker 1: no report was ever filed. And wouldn't you know that
Speaker 1: state trooper is currently serving fifty six years in Arkansas
Speaker 1: prey on child pornography charges.
Speaker 3: That state trooper later said, if I thought he had.
Speaker 1: Done it more than once, I would have reported him,
Speaker 1: like he thought the kid was just confessing a singular incident. Anyway,
Speaker 1: there is a lot more in this report if you
Speaker 1: want to read it in like I said in our show, sources,
Speaker 1: but a lot of it is redacted as you get
Speaker 1: into it, so when you're reading it, it's kind of
Speaker 1: just like three words and then a black square, and
Speaker 1: then three words and a black square. So you kind
Speaker 1: of have to infer all of this. But we know
Speaker 1: it's confirmed. Later I'll tell you how they all know
Speaker 1: it's about Josh. So after this report is filed in
Speaker 1: two thousand and six and all of this investigation is done,
Speaker 1: the police decide that the time in which they could
Speaker 1: have pressed charges has expired, which I don't even understand
Speaker 1: how that's true. It's two thousand and six, this happened
Speaker 1: in two three. That's only four years.
Speaker 3: I know.
Speaker 1: In some states the statute limitations is five years, but
Speaker 1: four years seems like not a lot of time. First,
Speaker 1: I think five is a crazy amount, so I can't
Speaker 1: imagine four.
Speaker 3: But I don't know. They just don't press charges against Josh.
Speaker 1: And then a fun fact is like in May two
Speaker 1: thousand and two, kind of around when these actual crimes
Speaker 1: were happening, Jim Bob, the father of this family, lost
Speaker 1: a primary bid for a Republican Senate seat, in which
Speaker 1: he ran on a platform that quote, rape and incest
Speaker 1: represent heinous crimes and as such should be treated as
Speaker 1: capital crimes end quote. So while this man's own son
Speaker 1: is molesting his daughters incestually, he's out there going incest
Speaker 1: is the worst crime, like, and it's like you don't
Speaker 1: even know what's going on under your own roof. And
Speaker 1: he didn't win the bid, but whatever, he ended up
Speaker 1: finding fame.
Speaker 2: Another way, that's so interesting you said that, because that's
Speaker 2: the whole thing. Like people are like, oh, this good
Speaker 2: religious family, and it's like no, no, no, they wanted fame, yeah,
Speaker 2: running for and then this like they just wanted attention.
Speaker 2: So it's like fake humble, it's fake righteous. It's like
Speaker 2: so fake in every way yeah, for sure.
Speaker 3: So now that was all going down in two thousand
Speaker 3: and six.
Speaker 1: In two thousand and seven, the internet is like buzzing
Speaker 1: about the Douggers, Like people are talking about them on
Speaker 1: message boards and shit, and I'm reminding you they don't
Speaker 1: even have a show at this point yet people are
Speaker 1: just talking about this fucked up family in Arkansas on
Speaker 1: like Reddit, message boards and whatever. And the Oprah cancelation
Speaker 1: fueled a lot of the online rumors, and like people
Speaker 1: were like, oh, she might have canceled for other reasons,
Speaker 1: like their backwards view of gender roles, or but it
Speaker 1: was probably more likely the allegation that Josh had molested
Speaker 1: some of his siblings. So then in two thousand and eight,
Speaker 1: the following year, their show debuts, and then we hear
Speaker 1: nothing about this really until twenty fifteen. And then in
Speaker 1: May twenty fifteen, in Touch Weekly, of all sources, in
Speaker 1: Touch Weekly, a magazine that I would not trust as
Speaker 1: far as I can throw, publishes the police report, which
Speaker 1: they have obtained through a FOIA request, a Freedom of
Speaker 1: Information Act request, and basically Josh Dugger immediately confirms it
Speaker 1: on Facebook. Right twelve years ago, as a young teenager,
Speaker 1: I acted inexcusably, for which I am extremely sorry and
Speaker 1: deeply regret. I heard others, including my family and close friends.
Speaker 1: He resigned from his job as a lobbyist at this
Speaker 1: conservative group, the Family Research Council, which is an anti
Speaker 1: gay organization according to Glad, so fuck them. And then TLC.
Speaker 1: At first TLC just pulled all the reruns. Okay, so
Speaker 1: they're still going to air the show, but they're pulling
Speaker 1: all the reruns. And at the same time, the Arkansas
Speaker 1: Police destroy the police report per a judge's orders. So
Speaker 1: they destroy the physical police report, but it's all over
Speaker 1: the internet. I've read it like there are pictures of
Speaker 1: it in Touch, has it in Touch published it like
Speaker 1: it's everywhere. So I don't know why you're having this
Speaker 1: ceremonial destruction of the police report when everything lives forever
Speaker 1: on the internet. So then as this story grows, advertisers
Speaker 1: start pulling out of the show amid the scandal that
Speaker 1: state trooper creep. Like I said, like I didn't know
Speaker 1: the full extent of it, or I would have reported
Speaker 1: it blah blah blah. In June of twenty fifteen, so
Speaker 1: like a month after, a month after the story has broken. Jim, Bob,
Speaker 1: and Michelle go on TV and acknowledge that four of
Speaker 1: their the victims were their daughters, including the younger sisters
Speaker 1: Jill and Jessa, who also went on TV and spoke
Speaker 1: to Fox News as Megan Kelly of all people to
Speaker 1: share your story with.
Speaker 2: And this is very much housewives. It's like, if you're
Speaker 2: committing crimes, why are you going on TV and spending
Speaker 2: cash on camera? And that's this It's like, your son
Speaker 2: is a known molester, why are you then going on television?
Speaker 2: You fucking see. I mean, I'm glad they did. I'm
Speaker 2: glad you know they got caught, but right.
Speaker 1: Confusing but seven like for seven years they were just
Speaker 1: on TV being like, no one's going to know our secret,
Speaker 1: and then their plans were foiled by in Touch weekly
Speaker 1: the Duggers. So this is how they're spinning it, going
Speaker 1: on Fox News and shit, they're spinning it as the
Speaker 1: bigger story that Josh's police records were released under a
Speaker 1: Freedom of Information Act requests, and they threatened to sue
Speaker 1: to quote unquote protect juvenile records because mistakes juvenile make
Speaker 1: when they're young should be sealed.
Speaker 3: That's what Jim Bob said.
Speaker 1: So they're like, we're persecuted because our baby's secret got revealed.
Speaker 1: In July of twenty fifteen, TLC pulls the plug on
Speaker 1: the Duggers, so finally the show gets canceled.
Speaker 3: Josh's wife now, now, Josh.
Speaker 1: Has since obviously married to a woman named Anna, and
Speaker 1: she said that she knew about Josh's crimes two years
Speaker 1: before she married him and believed that the counseling he
Speaker 1: received had quote unquote changed his life. Okay, two months later,
Speaker 1: in October of that same year, things keep going badly
Speaker 1: for Josh Dougger, who admits to being unfaithful to his
Speaker 1: wife Anna after a Gauka report comes out claiming that
Speaker 1: he was a member of the Ashley Madison website, which
Speaker 1: we all know, which they say in this in this
Speaker 1: thing promotes adultery, and it does. I guess it's kind
Speaker 1: of like, here's a way to like safely commit adultery
Speaker 1: on that website, right, But it's also it's also people
Speaker 1: go on it like looking for sugar Daddy's sugar babies.
Speaker 3: It's not like that's its sole purpose, no.
Speaker 2: But the tagline is come here to cheat, you can
Speaker 2: cheat secretly. Got it, Oh, is your wife pregnant, you
Speaker 2: can go fuck a slut here Like that's yeah, that's
Speaker 2: when the subscribe.
Speaker 3: That's like usually when men cheat on their wives.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I knew a girl in high schoo I knew a
Speaker 1: girl from high school who writes like these big experiential
Speaker 1: journalistic pieces, you know, like I got an enema on
Speaker 1: a date. Here's how it went, and like they're all
Speaker 1: for like Playboy and different magazines and shit. And she
Speaker 1: did a one about joining Ashley Madison to become a
Speaker 1: sugar baby. So I owe, in my mind, I always
Speaker 1: kind of think it's about sugar babies and sugar daddies,
Speaker 1: but you're right, their main goal is cheating. So when
Speaker 1: he got found out about that, Josh released another statement
Speaker 1: and said, I have been the biggest hypocrite ever. While
Speaker 1: espousing faith and family values, I have secretly, over the
Speaker 1: last several years been viewing pornography on the Internet and
Speaker 1: this has become a secret addiction, and I became unfaithful
Speaker 1: to my wife.
Speaker 3: End of end quote.
Speaker 1: And he released that via douggerfamily dot Com. Now, like, yes,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm glad you're admitting what a hypocrite you are.
Speaker 1: As so many religious people are super super hypocrites. But
Speaker 1: like you're basically saying that a pornography addiction led you
Speaker 1: to this unfaithfulness. And it's like, no, you just you
Speaker 1: cheated on your wife, like you're blame You're still blaming
Speaker 1: something else. To me, he's blaming the internet pornography on
Speaker 1: why he cheated on his wife, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So that's like, that's it all in twenty fifteen, and
Speaker 1: that's kind of all.
Speaker 3: We've never gone to jail or anything.
Speaker 1: No, I mean, he was a kid when it happened too,
Speaker 1: it was he was fourteen when it happened. I bet
Speaker 1: if the cops had actually dug in in Arkansas, they
Speaker 1: would have found that he was continuing.
Speaker 3: To molest or like you know, do stuff like that later.
Speaker 2: But I mean the fact that the judge ordered for
Speaker 2: the like documents to be destroyed. I didn't realize that
Speaker 2: part was true in the episode. And again we talk
Speaker 2: about this NonStop, but it's like, stop telling people to
Speaker 2: go to the cops, or why don't you go to
Speaker 2: the cops, or if this happened, you should have done
Speaker 2: this or that, And it's like the cops and judge
Speaker 2: the lead are destroying complaints and documents. It's like, the fuck,
Speaker 2: it's so fucked yuh up.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, So now we don't hear anything about the
Speaker 1: duggers and not nothing we obviously for some reason, People
Speaker 1: Magazine keeps posting when these people get married or when
Speaker 1: they have a kid, and like the two of the
Speaker 1: younger daughters get like a spin off show about them
Speaker 1: having kids. Like it's like gross, how obsessed people are
Speaker 1: with this family.
Speaker 3: But I wonder if.
Speaker 2: People are watching it like us that are like, oh
Speaker 2: I want to see these freaks, or how many like
Speaker 2: or is it religious people being like these are our heroes?
Speaker 3: I know, I wonder what the percentage is.
Speaker 1: I bet you could tell a lot by looking at
Speaker 1: like a demographic map of like who's watching it, like,
Speaker 1: because I'm sure the people that are like in their
Speaker 1: area are like this is an example of perfect like pious,
Speaker 1: righteous living, and then the people that are watching it
Speaker 1: in New York City are clearly like, you know, watching.
Speaker 3: It to see look at how these weirdos live.
Speaker 1: But now fast forward to twenty twenty one, this current
Speaker 1: year of our Lord, and this past April April twenty fourth,
Speaker 1: Josh Douger and his wife Anna announced they are pregnant
Speaker 1: with their seventh child. They all have m names, by
Speaker 1: the way, VARV, which US Magazine published. And I think
Speaker 1: that you guys need to just like stop keeping up
Speaker 1: with Josh Dugger, Like why are you posting like a
Speaker 1: a birth announcement for a child, like a former child molester,
Speaker 1: well not a former I don't know what you would say,
Speaker 1: why are you posting? I don't understand why US Weekly
Speaker 1: is like everyone needs to know about Josh Douger's like
Speaker 1: whereabouts and like what's comings and goings. We don't need
Speaker 1: to know anymore. He doesn't need to be in the
Speaker 1: celebrity section like you no longer like People magazine doesn't
Speaker 1: put like when Jared from Subway has a birthday, or
Speaker 1: like when Harvey Weinstein gets remarried, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Like these people could just be off the list of
Speaker 1: famous people. So April twenty ninth, five days after this
Speaker 1: birth announcement, Josh Douger is arrested by US Marshalls on
Speaker 1: child pornography charges. Nuts He pleads not guilty, but if
Speaker 1: he is found guilty.
Speaker 3: He could get up to twenty years in federal prison.
Speaker 3: I hope he gets the max.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And don't worry, his dumb wife is still standing
Speaker 1: by her man.
Speaker 3: And I want you to know.
Speaker 1: That I am reading articles on Fox News for you
Speaker 1: guys here, so you're welcome, Like I'm actually doing the
Speaker 1: things you don't want to be doing. Uh. And I
Speaker 1: read an article where his wife was like they were
Speaker 1: saying his that like divorce is like not even an
Speaker 1: option for her. She's a good Christian girl and she
Speaker 1: would not even consider that. Josh is currently living with
Speaker 1: third party custodians at a home away from his aunt
Speaker 1: wife Anna and their six kids, per court order. So
Speaker 1: now this poor fucking pregnant woman and has to keep
Speaker 1: track of six kids and is pregnant because her husband
Speaker 1: can't even be home to help her because he's a
Speaker 1: fucking criminal. And last month Josh was granted to stay
Speaker 1: at his trial and it was moved from July to November,
Speaker 1: so we will see what happens. It was supposed to
Speaker 1: happen July sixth, now it's happening November thirtieth. An active case.
Speaker 1: An active case. I will obviously be probably keeping an
Speaker 1: eye on it. I'm sure you guys will also let
Speaker 1: me know, in the DMS. But we'll see what happens
Speaker 1: to him in November. In terms of this chop pornography case,
Speaker 1: I don't really think that the US Marshals, I don't
Speaker 1: know with internet crimes. I'm kind of like, if they
Speaker 1: found the stuff on your computer, like there's I don't
Speaker 1: see how there's a way to get out of it,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's pulling a Hank Abraham everything he can. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he's just grasping at straws. And I always I mean,
Speaker 2: obviously this is not true, but it's like if the
Speaker 2: FBI or US Marshals are involved, you're pretty much guilty.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Cause it's just like for me, internet stuff is
Speaker 1: like a little bit different than like, you know, crimes
Speaker 1: on the street or whatever. It's like, I wasn't there.
Speaker 1: I have an alibi. It's like, no, it's your computer.
Speaker 1: It's like your IP address. Like stuff is a little
Speaker 1: bit more. You know, you paid for this with your
Speaker 1: credit card, et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 3: And it's like what we hate them all for.
Speaker 2: And it's still just like and the wife won't divorce
Speaker 2: them because she is a good person, and it's like
Speaker 2: it's all, it's all still put on this woman who
Speaker 2: has to like stick by this child molester. And I'm
Speaker 2: going off of no evidence at all. There's no way
Speaker 2: this motherfucker did not molest.
Speaker 1: The childild, right, because I bet you that a lot
Speaker 1: of people are like he was fourteen fifteen, he was
Speaker 1: in a religious environment where he was he was not
Speaker 1: allowed to have any sexual outlet, so of course he
Speaker 1: molested his sisters, Like I could see people arguing that.
Speaker 3: But now that he's.
Speaker 1: Gone through puberty and he's married to like a woman,
Speaker 1: he's you know, probably getting the sex life that he
Speaker 1: needs from his wife. And I'm sure he hasn't committed
Speaker 1: any crimes. And it's like no, now now he has
Speaker 1: a child pornography like charge.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's like twenty twenty one, what was I
Speaker 2: looking forward to my birthday?
Speaker 3: Halloween? And now this fucking trial add it to the list.
Speaker 1: All right, Well we have like if you guys are like, wow,
Speaker 1: what a bummer of a crime, we have such a
Speaker 1: great guests coming up, So you're gonna have your palette cleansed. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm so excited for you guys to hear our chat
Speaker 1: with our next guest. She is a Tony nominated actress
Speaker 1: her performance in the Playhand to God on Broadway.
Speaker 3: But you can see her now on.
Speaker 1: The show Bull, which is every Thursday night on CBS
Speaker 1: at ten pm. She has been on all of the
Speaker 1: Law and Orders multiple times and has been on SVU
Speaker 1: three times. But we are talking with her today about
Speaker 1: her role as Pam Baker. Guys, we're talking to the
Speaker 1: one and only Geneva Carr. Wait, so you just got
Speaker 1: back from France. Tell us what's going on in France?
Speaker 5: Less than forty eight hours ago. I went to graduate
Speaker 5: school there and the lady that I taught English too,
Speaker 5: who I didn't do a great job, I'll admit it.
Speaker 5: We're still like this and I go see them all
Speaker 5: the time. And I went to spend time with her
Speaker 5: and her family and we did a Pilates retreat that
Speaker 5: was utterly life affirming after this very painful year.
Speaker 1: Yeah, whereabouts in France?
Speaker 5: I was in Paris, and then I went to Normandy
Speaker 5: to see friends and the plates restreat. Retreat was in
Speaker 5: La Drome, which is in the southeast part of France
Speaker 5: but not up to the water, so it's where they
Speaker 5: grow lavender.
Speaker 3: Oh wow, my god.
Speaker 5: I was in lavender fields.
Speaker 3: So pilates all day.
Speaker 2: How much pilates versus you know, chatting and hanging.
Speaker 5: It's plates in the morning, pilates in the afternoon, a
Speaker 5: lot of chatting. And the French like to eat dinner
Speaker 5: around eleven o'clock at night.
Speaker 3: So yeah, who.
Speaker 5: We were at the pool, but it was ten ladies
Speaker 5: and just like everywhere in life, everybody had gone through
Speaker 5: something traumatic and come out the other side. And I
Speaker 5: it just makes me so grateful to be able to
Speaker 5: spend time and learn from people after this gear of
Speaker 5: sadness and loss and loneliness. There was ice cream, but
Speaker 5: there was a lot.
Speaker 2: Of this episode jam packed with drama. Did it look
Speaker 2: and seem feel creepy or did it feel like a set?
Speaker 2: One was just like a child and the men and
Speaker 2: everyone's wearing white dresses and then the kid wedding at
Speaker 2: the end.
Speaker 3: Was that like off putting the look at or.
Speaker 5: How What was so interesting is that Ryan Devlin, who
Speaker 5: played the bad guy. I hope I've spoiled it for
Speaker 5: everyone who'll watch it in the future, but.
Speaker 3: They've just listened to us recap the entire episode.
Speaker 5: Oh goodness, looks Ryan looks like he was on the
Speaker 5: cover of Tiger Beat Andy. He's like a preteen girls
Speaker 5: fantasy of a man because he's so innocent and sweet
Speaker 5: and kind. So it was creepy to know that was
Speaker 5: the bad guy. And those kids, My god, how many
Speaker 5: kids did I have? You know, Bakers doesn't.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was.
Speaker 5: They were all so sweet. They were all so sweet,
Speaker 5: and I run into them all the time. And Victoria,
Speaker 5: her dad wrote a movie and they asked me to
Speaker 5: do it and I couldn't because of my schedule. But
Speaker 5: I'm in touch with all those kids. I talked to Victoria,
Speaker 5: touch to Rachel, who is my oldest daughter, who was
Speaker 5: the one babysitting the little kid, because apparently this mom
Speaker 5: just passed her kids off to the one that got bigger. Yeah,
Speaker 5: but Victoria is a tiny little thing. Oh wow, it's
Speaker 5: pretty creepy.
Speaker 3: I can't believe you kept in touch with the kids.
Speaker 5: I loved those kids.
Speaker 3: They were so amazing.
Speaker 1: We were wondering, was it like twenty five sets of
Speaker 1: parents on the on the set, like, because they all
Speaker 1: have to have their parents with them.
Speaker 5: The minute you turn eighteen, they don't have to be there,
Speaker 5: so anybody taller than me was okay, just the little
Speaker 5: tiny kids.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Well we were also wondering, like, how was
Speaker 1: it because you obviously have like a great fashion sense French,
Speaker 1: et cetera, but like you had to wear these, like,
Speaker 1: you know, turtleneck dresses. What was what was the wardrobe
Speaker 1: situation like for you?
Speaker 5: The wardrobe situation was a little painful because I felt amish.
Speaker 5: I don't know how to say that in a nice way.
Speaker 5: Just baggy, unattractive clothes. Turtlenecks just make they make me
Speaker 5: look awful. So I felt really homely. But I felt
Speaker 5: very maternal because Victoria, who played the girl that you
Speaker 5: know had the mishap, shall we say it, was this tiny,
Speaker 5: little feminine angel, So it was easy to think about
Speaker 5: someone other than myself. On a daily basis, I'm completely
Speaker 5: self involved, but on that day it was nice.
Speaker 3: Did you get along with your co star who played
Speaker 3: your husband?
Speaker 5: Well, I can out him because he's already out in
Speaker 5: the open, but I've had a crush on him for
Speaker 5: about fifteen years. And his husband came to the set.
Speaker 3: That is that would not be accepted in their religion.
Speaker 3: That would be right, okay.
Speaker 2: Well not unexpected, but you know, and where did you.
Speaker 2: When did you develop the crush on him? Was he
Speaker 2: in something that you saw him in?
Speaker 5: I saw him at an audition and I just was smitten.
Speaker 5: And he tells really funny story when he quit doing
Speaker 5: commercial acting because he had to show up to a
Speaker 5: commercial audition and pretend to be a bear and stand
Speaker 5: on a table and undress and like Patti's chest. He
Speaker 5: just said that was his last commercial audition, and I
Speaker 5: was there, and I think he was so charming telling
Speaker 5: that story. So it's ever it's been like fifteen years.
Speaker 5: Was it don Kay's casting? I'll never forget it? And
Speaker 5: then I found out not in my wheelhouse. But he
Speaker 5: was great to work with.
Speaker 2: Have you ever met someone at an audition that you've
Speaker 2: hooked up with or stayed friends with?
Speaker 5: I never hooked up, but I have stayed friends with.
Speaker 5: I would say seventy five percent of the people I
Speaker 5: audition with. There's a funny thing that happens in New
Speaker 5: York where when you audition with people I used to
Speaker 5: call us the usual suspects. They're looking for a middle
Speaker 5: aged blonde, I know everybody. And then there's something also
Speaker 5: great in New York when they want a middle aged
Speaker 5: harmless looking lady. You all see each other, and so
Speaker 5: I've grown up with these women. I've watched their babies
Speaker 5: in strollers while they're auditioning, and they're just the best
Speaker 5: support system. And when I was on Broadway to Cantic
Speaker 5: Good before Bowl, they came every night every night after
Speaker 5: said I knew from auditions that are my friends would come,
Speaker 5: and the other actress be like, Jesus, how many people
Speaker 5: do you know? They're still coming? But they just came
Speaker 5: like crazy. They're so supportive, And that's kind of the
Speaker 5: great thing about New York is we know each other,
Speaker 5: we support each other. If I don't get it, I
Speaker 5: want you to get it. And that's a really healthy
Speaker 5: attitude that I really cherish here.
Speaker 2: Well, better part of it is also you, because it
Speaker 2: seems like you still keep in touch with the kids
Speaker 2: you worked with and all these people, so it probably
Speaker 2: is your friendly spirit as well.
Speaker 5: We'll see if you and I stay in touch.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, speaking of auditions, since you were in the Dick
Speaker 2: Wolf universe and done so many of the crime shows,
Speaker 2: did was this an offer only or how did this
Speaker 2: come about?
Speaker 5: It was my first offer. I have some exciting news.
Speaker 5: Warren Light is the show runner of SBU and he
Speaker 5: writes and he wrote it for me.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 1: But yeah, your first episode was with Amanda Plumber, you
Speaker 1: played her sister, and then your second episode was Mahershela,
Speaker 1: and then your third was this one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that Amanda Plumber episode's one of my favorites.
Speaker 5: Amanda Plumber was not acting. She was so amazing that
Speaker 5: even when we weren't filming, she decided to stay in
Speaker 5: character and she was that fragile all through the week
Speaker 5: long shoot. She was astounding to watch.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Wow, that's how she does it. She can't get
Speaker 5: out of character. She had to stay focused to play
Speaker 5: that lady.
Speaker 3: Yeah. And I think she won an Emmy for that.
Speaker 5: Oh she deserved it. Yeah, I think she did.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Well.
Speaker 2: Being in the SVU universe for so many years, have
Speaker 2: you noticed any changes on set or with the vir
Speaker 2: or any sort of like big different changes from your
Speaker 2: first to last episode.
Speaker 5: Yes, because my first episodes, Maloney was number one, Marishka
Speaker 5: was number two, and then he left to do something else.
Speaker 5: We all know he has a great show, and they
Speaker 5: did that stuff together because they have such great chemistry.
Speaker 5: But the number one really dictates the vibe, and Maloney
Speaker 5: is very serious. He's there to work. I mean, he's
Speaker 5: super nice. He was always very kind to me, especially
Speaker 5: the one with Marschela where I know I had to
Speaker 5: burst into tears at the drop of a hat and
Speaker 5: I was like, listen, Chris, I really have to focus,
Speaker 5: and he was absolutely understanding. But when Marishka became the
Speaker 5: number one, she's got a very silly quality and she's
Speaker 5: super fun and laughy and silly, which is so ironic
Speaker 5: but the subject matter, but particularly episode with all the kids,
Speaker 5: they were also excited to meet her. She will stop
Speaker 5: doing anything to get a selfie with someone to make
Speaker 5: sure they feel special. And I think now that she's
Speaker 5: a mother, she really caters to making the guest children
Speaker 5: feel special and protected and wonderful. And that was the
Speaker 5: vibe that it was. It was a serious job, and
Speaker 5: with Marishka, she really wants kind of a goofy, happy,
Speaker 5: freer set. So both are good. I mean, listen, when
Speaker 5: you got to cry at the drop of a hat.
Speaker 5: I was appreciative that Maloney was so understanding. But it
Speaker 5: was nice with Mrshcha and she was super complimentary. I
Speaker 5: don't know if you remember the scene where we find
Speaker 5: out you know, who did this to my daughter? And
Speaker 5: I had to, you know, burst into tears and be horrified.
Speaker 5: And I got to go first, which is very rare.
Speaker 5: That's another generous thing she gave me. Usually the number
Speaker 5: one goes first for the close up, but Marishka let
Speaker 5: me go first, and I was a nightmare. And she
Speaker 5: came up to me afterwards and said, Hey, we're going
Speaker 5: to break for lunch and I'm going to need you
Speaker 5: to do all of that again because I need to
Speaker 5: be as good as I just was. I was like, girl,
Speaker 5: you got it. I'm going to do it, so you know,
Speaker 5: I just I did it for everybody. And she's super supportive,
Speaker 5: so it was really fun working with her.
Speaker 2: And how do you get to that place when you
Speaker 2: have to cry on, like you said, a drop of
Speaker 2: a hat and do multiple takes? Do you think how
Speaker 2: do you get to the crying spot?
Speaker 4: That is a.
Speaker 5: Great question, And I actually have to say that it's
Speaker 5: the writing that really matters. If the writing leads you there,
Speaker 5: then you lean into the writing because you can't cry
Speaker 5: about nothing. So that episode was so intense to fight.
Speaker 5: That's the moment I find out that my thirteen year
Speaker 5: old daughter was giving birth to the pastor's baby, and
Speaker 5: the writing led me there and looking at that little girl,
Speaker 5: I mean they cast a teeny I think she was
Speaker 5: seventeen at the time, but she looked eleven. So that
Speaker 5: was easy. The one that I did with Amanda Plumber
Speaker 5: was more exposition, and it was harder to get to
Speaker 5: that place. And it's interesting that you ask how do
Speaker 5: you do that? Because I was much greener when I
Speaker 5: did that first episode, and I was I was so nervous,
Speaker 5: and I did everybody else's close up first, and that
Speaker 5: day Marishka had said, yeah, it takes a really great
Speaker 5: actress to cry on cue, which was a compliment to me.
Speaker 5: But in my nervousness, I was like, oh god, am
Speaker 5: I go to actress. Let me see if I could
Speaker 5: cry again. And I'm on my own close up. I
Speaker 5: was squeezing out tears. It was really hard. Yeah, but
Speaker 5: it just but that's when in the day that I
Speaker 5: worked with Chris, I knew that after having done that
Speaker 5: other episode, and I was like, do you mind if
Speaker 5: we don't talk because it's hard to deliver in seconds
Speaker 5: like that. And I think Marishka's trick is that she
Speaker 5: is so embedded. She and maloney, are so embedded who
Speaker 5: those people are that they can pull on stuff. And
Speaker 5: also she said, I think she said this to the
Speaker 5: daughter that she wasn't asked the same thing. The people
Speaker 5: who guests are have to pull off the tears and
Speaker 5: the drama because they're the people having it happen and
Speaker 5: the SVU team or the people figuring it out. And
Speaker 5: she was generous to say that, you know it's hard
Speaker 5: when you step into those shoes.
Speaker 2: And were you aware of the duggers when you went
Speaker 2: to film this episode.
Speaker 5: Oh heaven, STEVETSI, I sure was. I actually watched some
Speaker 5: dugger to get a load of it, and I brought
Speaker 5: my hair extensions in because Mamma Douggar has really thick
Speaker 5: hair those having all those children to take away that
Speaker 5: for her, and they didn't give me a ponytail because
Speaker 5: it was too dugger. She's big on the ponytail. But yes,
Speaker 5: I wanted to recreate some of that. I think I
Speaker 5: was definitely inspired by Mama Dougar.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're like sweetness and the naivete is that the
Speaker 2: word for sure? Like the innocence of it is there
Speaker 2: anywhere else you drew inspiration from the character besides the Duggars.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was wondering if you knew ever had any
Speaker 1: religious fanatics in your life where you could get inspiration.
Speaker 5: I was raised Catholic, but it's the same thing. There's
Speaker 5: a there's a naivete and also a willingness to go
Speaker 5: along with who's in charge. And I used my dad
Speaker 5: was a deacon, my mother was a secretary for a priest,
Speaker 5: and I thought a lot about how the Catholic Church
Speaker 5: teaches subservience. And so I don't know if you remember,
Speaker 5: in the first scene we're we're questioned by Mauritia, I
Speaker 5: looked to my husband every time I answered because I
Speaker 5: wanted to get his approval. That was something that I
Speaker 5: thought that character would do. And that last scene, when
Speaker 5: I find out who did it, that's when I didn't
Speaker 5: look to my husband, because that was a mother, you know,
Speaker 5: terrified and protecting her daughter. So that was something I
Speaker 5: consciously did. Outward appearances and that kind of culture, and I,
Speaker 5: you know, I'm making broad stroke statements, but from what
Speaker 5: I decided in that particular family, the Bakers, that outside
Speaker 5: appearances really matter. When you asked, was I creeped out about?
Speaker 5: You know the pastor, I was more creeped out at
Speaker 5: the Purity Ball because it was it was almost romantic
Speaker 5: and seeing all these fathers dance with their daughters, the
Speaker 5: mothers pushed to the side. I didn't get some cute outfit.
Speaker 5: Nobody was dancing with me. I married the man and
Speaker 5: it was so creepy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So you've done like so many law and orders.
Speaker 1: You've done Blue Blood's Elementary Bull is a legal show
Speaker 1: in a way, Like, is this just kind of your genre,
Speaker 1: this like the legal stuff, or just kind of where
Speaker 1: you're I don't know.
Speaker 5: Well, I think there's so much of this kind of
Speaker 5: TV in New York that that's what I've done. But
Speaker 5: I came from theater and I did kind of crazy comedy,
Speaker 5: you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well we saw you, We saw you been on
Speaker 1: like Onion stuff and Chappelle's Show. So I was wondering
Speaker 1: your feelings on comedy. Is that like, I mean, obviously
Speaker 1: you probably have feelings that they're both fun to do
Speaker 1: in different ways.
Speaker 3: But well, I.
Speaker 5: Think it's funny that you say that. We have new
Speaker 5: showrunners on Bowl and we had interviews with the new
Speaker 5: showrunners and the writers, and they said, what are your
Speaker 5: goals this year? What would you like us to accomplish
Speaker 5: for you? And I said, I want to speak French.
Speaker 5: I'd like to date a man of color, and I'd
Speaker 5: like to be funny. And one of our writers used
Speaker 5: to be the head writer on Mysteries of Laura. Oh okay,
Speaker 5: and that was a really funny show. And he kindly
Speaker 5: timed in for me and said that I was funny.
Speaker 5: But they are adding some comedic stuff. Michael Weatherley's directing
Speaker 5: our first episodes. I chatted with him today about that
Speaker 5: for season six and we're going to bring some funny
Speaker 5: bones into bowl because that's my jam.
Speaker 3: I love it.
Speaker 2: If you were to come back to SVU for your
Speaker 2: fourth time, what would be your dream role?
Speaker 5: Yeah, that is a great question.
Speaker 1: Because you've been a victim's sister, You've been a victim,
Speaker 1: and now you've been like sort of this mom main character.
Speaker 3: But what haven't you done?
Speaker 5: I think I would like to be a stepmother who
Speaker 5: has a romantic relationship with her step son and I
Speaker 5: would like them to try to prove to me that
Speaker 5: it's wrong, and I'd go to prison and I just
Speaker 5: can't understand. You know, love is love. It's hideous, but
Speaker 5: it would be so fun to play. To be such
Speaker 5: a wicked, awful person, but to think that you're really
Speaker 5: just loving someone.
Speaker 3: That is a great answer.
Speaker 1: We get like a young Timothy Chalomet type in there
Speaker 1: to play your steps on.
Speaker 5: Oh god, I'm ready, Where do my said?
Speaker 3: What a superstar she was dressed. I love so good.
Speaker 2: She has such a good attitude, and I just I
Speaker 2: want to eat chocolate with her in her closet.
Speaker 1: You're both in closets and I want her to take
Speaker 1: me to France. Yes, we're both closet cases.
Speaker 2: Drinking champagne in her closet while eating like a box
Speaker 2: of chocolates where we each eat half and like have
Speaker 2: Like that's what I imagine doing with Geneva.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she should start a podcast called dark Chocolate and
Speaker 1: Dry Champagne. And that's what she does. People come to
Speaker 1: her closet, she wears awesome outfits. They speak a little
Speaker 1: French and then they gap.
Speaker 2: And I'll be like, can I call you Jenny, And
Speaker 2: She'll be like no, no, no, no, That's what I
Speaker 2: want with our girl, Geneva. And I can't wait to
Speaker 2: see her love scenes. Don't you watch bull or no
Speaker 2: Bosh bull Bosh. She like it all well, I don't.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I actually don't watch bull but I might start
Speaker 1: watching it because I love her so much, So it's possibility.
Speaker 1: It's a possibility. But let's get into our post mortem.
Speaker 1: What did we learn from today's episode, Lisa? Besides that
Speaker 1: religion is creepy in a lot of times.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess we don't have to keep harping that,
Speaker 2: like your daughter's virginity shouldn't be the core. I don't know,
Speaker 2: guiding principle and characteristic of your child shouldn't be just
Speaker 2: what's between their legs.
Speaker 1: Right, or you should actually have like real conversations with
Speaker 1: your kids about sex so that they kind of can
Speaker 1: identify when they're trying to be taken advantage of by
Speaker 1: a pastor, because clearly.
Speaker 3: She didn't really know what was going on.
Speaker 2: Don't trust any pastor that's also a lawyer. I would
Speaker 2: say that if they need a dual citizenship like that,
Speaker 2: that's no, no.
Speaker 3: No duels. They're causing problems.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think we learned that religious ladies, you guys
Speaker 1: need a new Hairdo you need to just come up
Speaker 1: with something different? It can't just be what I call
Speaker 1: some here up, some here down with a poof and
Speaker 1: a long and a long crimp.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just don't have a ton of kids? Is that bad?
Speaker 3: More than ten? You can't.
Speaker 2: I mean, China has the bad rule of more than
Speaker 2: one's a problem and it leads to bad things and
Speaker 2: murdered girl babies.
Speaker 1: But I think ten. Can we have a limit of ten?
Speaker 1: I mean, I think the limit should be lower. And
Speaker 1: I'm coming from a family of I'm one of six,
Speaker 1: my mom's one of fourteen, so I think the limit
Speaker 1: should be even lower. But listen, I think that what's
Speaker 1: crazy is like, let God decide how many kids we're
Speaker 1: going to have, like God. Also, if you believe that
Speaker 1: God also made birth control possible. God made the person
Speaker 1: who discovered birth control allowed that to happen, So birth
Speaker 1: control can be part of your god fearing life. And
Speaker 1: I think that nineteen kids in counting is yeah, too
Speaker 1: many kids.
Speaker 3: It's weird. Too many kids, Yeah, especially if one's a molester.
Speaker 3: You know, Yeah, I don't know what that even means.
Speaker 1: And like, it doesn't make you a good person to
Speaker 1: stand by your husband that continually breaks the law, breaks
Speaker 1: your trust, you know, has to keep writing confessional statements
Speaker 1: about their hypocrisy on Facebook.
Speaker 3: If once they've written a couple, it's okay for you
Speaker 3: to leave.
Speaker 2: It's so clear that men in power created religion. It
Speaker 2: just seems a little too convenient. It's like you have
Speaker 2: to do everything domestic and do what I want and
Speaker 2: fuck when I want and I'm always right, and it's
Speaker 2: like that's the really okay, Well that seems that seems
Speaker 2: like a kid making up rules and monopoly to win, right,
Speaker 2: But that also is a gun to your head, Like
Speaker 2: that is like what is this? Like you have to
Speaker 2: question life a little bit, just a little bit, I
Speaker 2: don't know, to be like I hope my daddy likes
Speaker 2: my hair. Like that is sick. It's sick to listen about. Also,
Speaker 2: small towns, you know, don't let the judge and the
Speaker 2: lawyer and the pastor all be related and friends and
Speaker 2: playing golf together. Like yeah, yeah, my new rule. If
Speaker 2: you work for the government, you must live in isolation forever.
Speaker 2: Obviously not real. I so did forget to mention something
Speaker 2: up top that I'd like to talk about. I did
Speaker 2: talk about this a little on Instagram, but I was
Speaker 2: stoned nighttime in my hotel room and people were knocking
Speaker 2: on my door NonStop, like at two in the morning
Speaker 2: and they were kids.
Speaker 3: Kids were pulling a prank on me. Lazy you got pranked.
Speaker 2: I did, but I was in a full on panic.
Speaker 2: I called downstairs. I sent an engineer up. The security came,
Speaker 2: they caught the kids and they're like, we can call
Speaker 2: the police. I'm like, we definitely don't have to call
Speaker 2: the police. We won't be pressing charges. What's the charge?
Speaker 2: What's the charge?
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I was like diservance of disturbance of the comedian, like
Speaker 1: what are you?
Speaker 3: What are you like?
Speaker 2: I don't even know, scaring scaring women that are easily spooked,
Speaker 2: I don't know. But I was like looking at the
Speaker 2: peep hole stressed, you.
Speaker 3: Know which I mean. It's true.
Speaker 1: It's like ninety percent of that hotel people are probably
Speaker 1: watching s view because it is hotel viewing. So you're
Speaker 1: walking around just like scaring a very easily scared population.
Speaker 2: Yeah, or it's like someone cheating on their wife and
Speaker 2: so it's like you're you know, they're gonna be nervous.
Speaker 3: They right, everybody's a little on edge in a hotel.
Speaker 2: Well, I've never stayed in a hotel in my hometown.
Speaker 2: Oh ever, like obviously in Chicago, but never in Skokie.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you've done airbnb's there, but never a hotel.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 2: It is pretty wild to like be by the mall,
Speaker 2: you know, I feel poul just walking to my nephew's
Speaker 2: coming to soul cycle with me, my little one, the
Speaker 2: littler one.
Speaker 3: Oh, I cannot wait.
Speaker 2: I think it'll be fun or you'll think I'm crazy.
Speaker 2: I'm embarrassed, so cute. I'm embarrassed to like go like,
Speaker 2: I don't know, we'll see what.
Speaker 1: Happens to really like pull out all the stops and
Speaker 1: like get to the top of that hill.
Speaker 2: Yeah, or what if I start crying? Like what if
Speaker 2: they play Kesha in the right moment and I tear up?
Speaker 2: Tell them it's sweat. Wait, I did learn so we
Speaker 2: also this is obvious us, but don't let your pastor
Speaker 2: marry or child. That's just to throw that in just
Speaker 2: if anyone didn't realize, right, yeah.
Speaker 3: He's wrong with you? What's in your eye? Nothing?
Speaker 1: I was trying to figure out why that pastor was
Speaker 1: like single to begin with, Like why does not that
Speaker 1: pastor have a wife because he's a pedophile?
Speaker 3: Right okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, figure it out. So
Speaker 3: this week, so we did it.
Speaker 1: This week's what would Mister Peg Do our weekly segment
Speaker 1: where we give you guys some more information about what
Speaker 1: we talked about in today's episode or a resource or
Speaker 1: something that can help shine a little bit more of
Speaker 1: a light. And this week our organization is called Recovering
Speaker 1: from Religion. It is Recovering from Religion dot org.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 1: It is an organization that helps people who have questioned, doubted,
Speaker 1: or changed their beliefs. They connect people with resources, community,
Speaker 1: and help through peer support and professional support. They do
Speaker 1: have a peer support hotline which is one eight for
Speaker 1: I doubt it, I do ou it? And they have
Speaker 1: you know, a secular therapy project with gets you connected
Speaker 1: to a therapist who offers non religious, science based treatment
Speaker 1: and I just thought it was a cool organization, so
Speaker 1: check that out. They've got a blog, YouTube, et cetera,
Speaker 1: et cetera.
Speaker 2: Thanks for sharing, Kara, and next week we will be
Speaker 2: doing a learning curve. That's season thirteen, episode twenty one,
Speaker 2: so watch along with us before or after on Hulu
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