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Speaker 1: This is live cover each about one Steelers Minicamp by

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Speaker 1: from hines Field on your seven home for the Steelers SNR.

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Speaker 1: Steelers Nation Radio. We are back live here at Steelers

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Speaker 1: Mini Camp at hines Field. I'm Dale Lally here with

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Speaker 1: Matt Williamson. This is the Drive. You can hear us

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Speaker 1: regularly on Steelers Nation Radio every day during the season,

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Speaker 1: three days a week. Now. Of course we're also listening.

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Speaker 1: You're also listening here on ESPN Pittsburgh. We appreciate that

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Speaker 1: as well. And uh, a beautiful day in the It

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Speaker 1: is a beautiful day in the Berg, especially after yesterday.

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Speaker 1: My goodness. Yeah, we didn't kind of super hard. We

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Speaker 1: just missed today where I live at in Washing I

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Speaker 1: mean Washington, it was like armageddon. We missed. We missed

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Speaker 1: the rain all last week. Yeah, I was having my

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Speaker 1: baseball playoffs. I run the local pony league and we

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Speaker 1: got my my entire playoff season. We got we got

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Speaker 1: all the games in without rain last week. But I

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Speaker 1: like you know it was. It was hopefully like everyone's okay,

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Speaker 1: like it was bad. Apparently in that neck of the

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Speaker 1: woods it was right. But today for Steelers practices not

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Speaker 1: a problem at all. With the weather it was beautiful.

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Speaker 1: Mike Tomlin did just get done speaking a few minutes

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Speaker 1: ago talking about this latest session here, so I did

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Speaker 1: want to let people get a chance to hear what

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Speaker 1: Mike Tomlin the first we've heard it too. I'm interested

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Speaker 1: to what you say. Yeah, so let's go ahead and

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Speaker 1: go to that now. Really hold a little bit good afternoon,

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Speaker 1: Really excited about putting the finishing touches on what's been

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Speaker 1: a really good off season with our manicamp work over

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Speaker 1: here the stadium. We always want to give the new Steeler,

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Speaker 1: whether it's a guy going from Colls Pro where God

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Speaker 1: is new to us, um a feeling to what this

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Speaker 1: excited about doing that today. UM, we got a lot

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Speaker 1: of things on our agenda. General conditioning is always where

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Speaker 1: we start making sure that we walk out of here

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Speaker 1: with an understanding the physical conditioning preseas any other really excited,

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Speaker 1: good off season with our many camp. We chose to

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Speaker 1: the new stealer, whether it's a guy going from college

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Speaker 1: And so we're excited about doing that today. UM. We

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Speaker 1: got a lot of things on our agenda. Uh. General

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Speaker 1: preseas any other discussions. And the best thing that the

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Speaker 1: points in that regard. We're also talking schematics. Obviously we've

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Speaker 1: to work in totality, everyone is in a tendance besides

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Speaker 1: step onto it and his family is going through. Uh.

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Speaker 1: He has our full support and UM, you know, our

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Speaker 1: of course you know this the Steelers. UM. I want

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Speaker 1: and it's you know what it's you know, Ben Roethlisberger

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Speaker 1: And I mentioned McFarland's name. That could be a lot

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Speaker 1: Ben gets, you know, one of the teeth. I can't

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Speaker 1: sixteen events this year seven this year will be seventeen

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Speaker 1: and they're an hour long each of real time. You know,

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Speaker 1: we talked three six, five days a year about every

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Speaker 1: little bit of it. And right, you think about how

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Speaker 1: many snaps there actually are to analyze over the course

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Speaker 1: of the year. Even if your team wins to Super

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Speaker 1: Bowl and he plays in the Hall of Fame game

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Speaker 1: and you get extra ones from those type of things,

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Speaker 1: it really isn't that much stuff, you know. And but

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Speaker 1: it's sure it's fun, you know, in your practice every

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Speaker 1: day and camp's will blast and you know, these type

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Speaker 1: of environments are fun too. So I was just happy

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Speaker 1: to kind of get out of the house football wise,

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Speaker 1: and absolutely always good when when that happens. But we're

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Speaker 1: gonna take another break, he is Matt Williamson. Oh, I

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Speaker 1: guess we're not taking another break. Uh so Uh anyways,

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Speaker 1: um real quickly. I we talked about this off the

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Speaker 1: era a little bit and I was kind of surprised

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Speaker 1: by this, and I'm sure this the Steelers might have

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Speaker 1: been a little surprised as well. With Devin Bush's contract

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Speaker 1: coming up here. Oh yeah, I guess make a decision

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Speaker 1: on him after this season to pick up his his

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Speaker 1: fifth year option. Jerome Baker, that one shocked me. Three years,

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Speaker 1: thirty nine million dollars from the Dolphins. It's Jerome Baker Baker.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he's an okay player, and he is a

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Speaker 1: modern day you know, running hit type. I mean, the

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Speaker 1: they are very much a patriot like defense, and that's

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Speaker 1: i'll side the norm for their second level players. They

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Speaker 1: like the high tower thumper, you know, hard, you know,

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Speaker 1: big power players, and they play a lot of defensive

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Speaker 1: backs on the field. So maybe they're taking a little

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Speaker 1: bit different wrinkle with him because he's, you know, a

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Speaker 1: good combine guy, fast, you know, runs well, but he's

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Speaker 1: not top ten, top twenty linebacker, I mean maybe top twenty.

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Speaker 1: I mean, as he's ascending, but that that numbers blew

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Speaker 1: me away. And I have a lot of respect for

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Speaker 1: what Miami has done. They've had a lot of resources

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Speaker 1: to do it. But some of their not that you do.

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Speaker 1: Some of their signings though, look at last year's you know,

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Speaker 1: a year ago free agency van Noy and Lawson and

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Speaker 1: Um there was like four or five pretty big signings

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Speaker 1: that the only lasted one year with the team, and

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Speaker 1: the and Xavian Xavian Howard skipping their minicamp today. Obviously

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Speaker 1: he wants to be paid. Um he probably saw the

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Speaker 1: like he just gave Jerome Baker thirteen million dollars. I'm

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Speaker 1: the fourth best guy in our defense. What I mean,

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Speaker 1: I'm doing the right and to a through five interceptions today,

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Speaker 1: I heard that the question for you is being one

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Speaker 1: of those beat reporter types. I mean the sometimes I

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Speaker 1: read that and think those things are overblown. You know,

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Speaker 1: someone through a couple of interceptions, I mean five is

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Speaker 1: five is noteworthy and hard to do when no one's

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Speaker 1: hitting you, especially, I mean you're starting quarterback in a

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Speaker 1: in a training camp type setting or mini camp type

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Speaker 1: setting is probably throwing passes. Yeah, it sounds in seven

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Speaker 1: on sevens and in eleven on eleventh and the defenses

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Speaker 1: aren't tricking you or planning for you or rushing you

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Speaker 1: for you know, So either the Dolphins defense is really good.

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Speaker 1: Before too, was really bad. It was really bad. I

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Speaker 1: remember you've told the Kent Graham story a couple of times.

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Speaker 1: I forget it was competing with Cordell. He was competing

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Speaker 1: with Cordel for a starting spot. And then but we

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Speaker 1: were all tracking the completions and all that stuff, and

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Speaker 1: people were remarking remarking that, oh yeah, kenk Graham was

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Speaker 1: you know, eighteen and twenty and a on on elevens today,

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Speaker 1: but none of the passes went more than five yards

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Speaker 1: down that he was like, it was dump off, dump off,

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Speaker 1: dump off, which is great for your completion percentage, But

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Speaker 1: are you gonna take a chance at any point right

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Speaker 1: exactly against guy of like the Bridgewater verse lock conversation too.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's like, again, I'm not disparaging what some

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Speaker 1: beat writers do, and sometimes I just know things have

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Speaker 1: to come out. But you hear, man, the ball is

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Speaker 1: hardly ever hitting the grass whenever this guy when Justin

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Speaker 1: Fields is rowing, or tell me what he's throwing. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'd like to hear what he's doing. Is he's throwing

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Speaker 1: the ball thirty yards down the field, or is he

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Speaker 1: just dumping off to the backs all times to give

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Speaker 1: eight seconds to throw in the pocket? Or they blowing

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Speaker 1: the whistle on him, or you know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: Both edge rushers are standing there beside him when he

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Speaker 1: throws because they've they've stopped their pass rushing. He's just

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Speaker 1: standing there for five seconds or whatever. You know. So

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Speaker 1: you know, again, this is Bob mentioned, you know, this

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Speaker 1: is remember Yeah, it's a different world. It's not quite

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Speaker 1: the same game. I mean, it's you know, if a

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Speaker 1: pitcher's mowing down all his teammates, I'd be like, well,

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Speaker 1: you know, he's growing best you can you know, these guys,

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Speaker 1: you know, or basketball players are dominating in practice. I

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Speaker 1: could see it. But this they're not playing the same

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Speaker 1: game out there today that they are a couple of

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Speaker 1: you know, a couple of months from them. No, they

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Speaker 1: are definitely not. But certainly it's always something it's worth noting. Five,

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Speaker 1: you know, right, I mean that's a remarkable number. Not

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Speaker 1: to mention it came out like a week or so ago,

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Speaker 1: Like I didn't really know the playbook as well as

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Speaker 1: I want. Like that's not a real good looks, real

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Speaker 1: good timing either. No, it is not. Makes you wonder

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Speaker 1: about again. It goes back to the to the uh

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Speaker 1: just a perception of some of these teams. I see

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Speaker 1: a lot of people say, well, the Dolphins are going

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Speaker 1: to be one of the teams to beat. Yeah, not

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Speaker 1: if the quarterbacks bad. Not quarterbacks bad, and there's still

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Speaker 1: a lot of pieces of place there. I mean I

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Speaker 1: did a Power rank like a month or so ago,

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Speaker 1: I had the Steelers over the Dolphins. I've never gotten

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Speaker 1: such response from power ranks. And you're so low on

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Speaker 1: the Dolphins that they're not even the Steelers are even

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Speaker 1: close to them, you know, like, man, they were like

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Speaker 1: they played right now, yeah right, I mean I don't

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Speaker 1: care where they play at right right right. I mean

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Speaker 1: there's a lot less questions here than there. Yeah, you

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Speaker 1: know what I mean. And that's true with a lot

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Speaker 1: of the a FC teams. Indeed. I mean they're hoping

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Speaker 1: this quarterback who was really really bad last year is

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Speaker 1: really really good, you know what I mean. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I mean Philip Rivers had a good year. Last year

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Speaker 1: he did, he did a good year. He was Carson

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Speaker 1: Wentz do that that could he have a Rivers? I

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Speaker 1: think they would take it. If if if Rivers was

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Speaker 1: a seventy out of a hundred last year, they get

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Speaker 1: seventy out of a hundred out of Wentz, I think

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Speaker 1: I'd say, yeah, I'll take that one because it could be.

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Speaker 1: But that's what they need because last year he was

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Speaker 1: he was a forty. I mean he failed. And even

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Speaker 1: with Rivers playing pretty well, the Colts weren't really a contender.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the Steelers are a better team than them

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Speaker 1: last year. Yeah, you know what I mean. I mean

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Speaker 1: they made the playoffs, but that's all they did. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: they're fine. I mean they're winning record type team. But

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean I look at Miami and

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Speaker 1: some of these teams, and I think Cleveland's past this.

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Speaker 1: He's a start. Teams that really came from nowhere. We'll see.

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Speaker 1: I mean it takes a while, it takes. Don't put

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Speaker 1: the cart before the horse. Absolutely, it's really true in

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Speaker 1: the a f C. It really is. But now we

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Speaker 1: are going to take a break. Uh he is Matt Williamson.

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Speaker 1: I'm Dale Lally. You're listening to Steelers Nation Radio. This

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Speaker 1: we do check out those reviews from time to time.

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Speaker 1: But we're gonna take a break. We'll be back right

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Speaker 1: after this with more live from Steelers training a minicamp

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Speaker 1: here in hines Field