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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Greece, the so called killer yoga teacher.

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Speaker 1: Why won't she go away? Well, she's not going anywhere,

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Speaker 1: and as a matter of fact, in the last days,

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Speaker 1: she has popped up again in court. Think back, Think

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Speaker 1: back in your mental time machine. Remember the beautiful, young,

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Speaker 1: world class dirt bike rider Mariah aka Mo Wilson, just

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Speaker 1: twenty five years old, scrubbed in sunshine, beautiful, smile, real

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Speaker 1: outdoors girl. She's dead Why because she had the audacity

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Speaker 1: to go on a date with the killer yoga teachers

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Speaker 1: cheating boyfriend, Like who wants him? Who wants a cheater man?

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Speaker 1: I'd send him home to mommy c O. D. But

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Speaker 1: that's not what happened. In the last hours. As I

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Speaker 1: just mentioned, the killer yoga teacher Caitlin Armstrong in court

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Speaker 1: demanding not only a jury trial, but a speedy jury trial.

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Speaker 1: This as we piece together what we have learned about

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Speaker 1: her life on the run. I mean, see Grace, this

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Speaker 1: is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us here

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Speaker 1: at Fox Nation in serious xemn one eleven man, this

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Speaker 1: girl wants at all. Take a listen to our friends

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Speaker 1: at GMA. She's the former yoga teacher turned accused killer

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Speaker 1: and fugitive, but Caitlin Armstrong says she's not guilty. Miss

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Speaker 1: Armstrong wants her day in court, she wants a trial.

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Speaker 1: Armstrong entering that plea during a brief court appearance Wednesday

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Speaker 1: in Austin, her attorney claiming some reported details in the

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Speaker 1: case are not accurate. Simply, there's a lot more to

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Speaker 1: this story than has yet been heard. She's charged with

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Speaker 1: first degree murder, accused defeatially shooting pro cyclist Anna Moe

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Speaker 1: Wilson in me mm hmm, okay. Did hear that some

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Speaker 1: details are not accurate that you've heard on the press?

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Speaker 1: Why our lawyers, defense lawyers always so worried about what's

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Speaker 1: being said in the press. Think about it. O. J. Simpson,

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Speaker 1: Robert Blake, so many others whose stories were covered heavily

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Speaker 1: in the press. Michael Jackson did not affect the jury

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Speaker 1: at all. I guess some of those facts maybe not accurate,

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Speaker 1: But what seems to be accurate is that she gunned

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Speaker 1: down Mariah, who is trapped in a bathroom with me.

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Speaker 1: And I'll start pale to make sense of what we

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Speaker 1: know right now. But first I want to go to

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Speaker 1: Alexis to Reschuck Crime online dot Com investigative reporter on

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Speaker 1: the case, Alex tell me about her court appearance. So

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Speaker 1: her court appearance happened not days after Moe was murdered,

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Speaker 1: but six weeks later. Because she fled the country and

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Speaker 1: Nancy she disappeared. Police questioned her immediately after Moe was

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Speaker 1: found murdered. They noticed that her jeep was seen on

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Speaker 1: security footage right at the crime team. So the police

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Speaker 1: called her in. They questioned her. They said, you know,

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Speaker 1: this doesn't look good, and she had really no answer.

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Speaker 1: She stammered through it. There was a fluke, she was like,

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Speaker 1: she was released and she disappeared. She took a flight

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Speaker 1: the investigators, the FBI was involved, the Texas Rangers, the

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Speaker 1: US Marshall. They tracked out that they believe she used

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Speaker 1: her sister's passport. Her sister was living I think in

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Speaker 1: a yoga commune in New York, mister nine, Christina or Christina,

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Speaker 1: and she used her passport to fly to Costa Rica,

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Speaker 1: where she hit out for forty three days. So on

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Speaker 1: the run. That is not a story that is disputed.

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Speaker 1: This is an very very glamorous, yoga teacher, beautiful. I

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Speaker 1: don't know why she was all worked up over a

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Speaker 1: she goes from this, a beautiful, golden haired long she

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Speaker 1: looks like a model, to this she looks like cousin It.

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Speaker 1: She's walking out, guys for these For those of you

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Speaker 1: she was captured in Costa Rica, alluding federal authorities all

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Speaker 1: who was so worried about her appearance in court that

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Speaker 1: she made lip gloss. Joe Scott Morgan, I hate to

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Speaker 1: how does she make the lip gloss? I forgot it

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Speaker 1: was Jolly Ranchers. Yes, yes, Jackie is here in the

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Speaker 1: you remember? And this she had to know that cameras

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Speaker 1: insisted against her lawyer's advice and doing interview after interview

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Speaker 1: you could face the death penalty stopped with the lip

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Speaker 1: hear about Caitlin Armstrong at her arrayment that it was

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Speaker 1: And it's okay. Now, I've never had this happen to me,

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Speaker 1: Her hair before actually kind of glows, it's so shiny

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Speaker 1: me that she's working so hard to obtain a different look,

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Speaker 1: like a chameleon. Like you remember again, Jodiarius the bottle blonde,

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Speaker 1: hold on just a moment, or Brandt, wait a minute,

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Speaker 1: did you hear Lexus to Rust Chuck, I think she'd

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Speaker 1: better enjoining you at the US Marshalls Service International Investigations

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Speaker 1: course a fugitive wants to change their appearance of people

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Speaker 1: She obviously didn't do that because they found her in

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Speaker 1: Not only did she change her appearance to go on

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Speaker 1: to wonder the motivation. She's currently being held in Travis

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Speaker 1: with that altered short brown hair we've seen in more

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Speaker 1: recent mug shot photos. A speedy trial demand. Oh, let

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Speaker 1: because of the pandemic, and said it seemed privileged to

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Speaker 1: What you saw in that courtroom today was illuminating. Miss

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Speaker 1: Armstrong wants her day in court. She wants a trial,

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Speaker 1: and you heard of the district attorney threatened sanctions over

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Speaker 1: That's what it means. Time Stories with Nancy Grace straight

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Speaker 1: defense attorney joining us out of that jurisdiction Texas former prosecutor,

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Speaker 1: she said, Houston Criminal Defense dot com. Nicole as a prosecutor,

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Speaker 1: it would make me so angry when I would get

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Speaker 1: a demand for speedy trial. I'll tell you why, Just

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Speaker 1: got indicted. But once a speedy trial is is demanded

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Speaker 1: under our constitution. If you don't try the case within

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Speaker 1: even jagged, it will be very jagged. If it's blunt

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Speaker 1: force trauma. It's non specific. Surgeons are not non specific,

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Speaker 1: all right. They create these little neat margins when they

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Speaker 1: go in, and anybody that has any radiology training they

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Speaker 1: can look at that and say, nah, this is in

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00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:45,400
Speaker 1: blunt force trauma. This is something that one of our

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Speaker 1: colleagues down the road has done at some point in time. Yeah,

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00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:53,600
Speaker 1: they's going to have to show the x rays what

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00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:55,720
Speaker 1: it would have looked like if it had been a

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00:27:55,760 --> 00:28:02,520
Speaker 1: surfboard accident as opposed to the neat em precise maneuverings

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00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:05,880
Speaker 1: of a plastic surgeon. And also they've got to get

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00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:09,199
Speaker 1: down to Costa Rica and find the plastic surgeon. I mean,

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00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:12,520
Speaker 1: they've got the receipt. It shouldn't be that hard. Hey

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Speaker 1: or Brandt joining me former US Marshall Service, International Investigations

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00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:20,680
Speaker 1: Branch author a flying solo Top of the World on Amazon.

441
00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:25,200
Speaker 1: He's at or Brandt dot com ARV. Please don't get

442
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:29,080
Speaker 1: Alexis and I well forget her. Don't get me wrong.

443
00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:33,600
Speaker 1: I'm not interested and her hair color, or her makeup

444
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:39,680
Speaker 1: or her nose job fashion means nothing to me. The

445
00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:43,520
Speaker 1: reason I'm interested is it shows just like when Scott

446
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:46,720
Speaker 1: Peterson dyed his hair and went on the run, or

447
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:50,000
Speaker 1: serial killer Margaret Rude and the black widow changed her

448
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:52,200
Speaker 1: appearance and lived a double life on the other side

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00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:54,240
Speaker 1: of the country after murdering her husband. I mean, it

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00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:58,240
Speaker 1: goes on and on. I'm interested because it shows me

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00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:04,000
Speaker 1: deceit flight. Of course, a prosecutor can't get it charged

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00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 1: to a jury from the judge about flight indicating a guilt,

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00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:10,160
Speaker 1: but it can still be argued to a jury. I

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Speaker 1: mean er, if a state trooper comes up behind me

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00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:16,680
Speaker 1: and I'm going eighty miles an hour, i may tap

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00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 1: on the brakes, but I'm certainly not going to take

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00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:22,760
Speaker 1: off and hide out in Costa Rica. So why did she?

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00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:28,720
Speaker 1: It's evidence of guilt. Hence the nose job, cutting the hair,

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00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:32,720
Speaker 1: the dyeing the hair, the hiding out, all of that

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00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:37,520
Speaker 1: shows evidence of guilt. Help me earth, oh, Craig, Nancy,

461
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:42,440
Speaker 1: And like you said, there's evidence to be gathered in

462
00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:48,800
Speaker 1: Costa Rica, maybe interviewing the doctor, obtaining the medical records.

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00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 1: The United States has a extradition treaty with Costa Rica,

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00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:57,959
Speaker 1: and that's important when it comes to evidence gathering because

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00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:02,240
Speaker 1: the prosecutors in this case in Austin can put in

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00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:06,680
Speaker 1: a request through the Office of International Affairs for bilateral

467
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:10,800
Speaker 1: requests through the Treaty to collect evidence and have it

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Speaker 1: brought back to the United States, which, like you said,

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00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:21,760
Speaker 1: would prove flight to avoid prosecution. They also have evidence

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00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:26,200
Speaker 1: that is just now being developed regarding the so called

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Speaker 1: killer yoga teachers, movements and actions. While on the lamp,

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Speaker 1: what if anything do they prove? Take a listener out

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Speaker 1: seventy three. Our friends at GMA Police say Armstrong considered

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Speaker 1: Wilson a love rival, believing Wilson was involved with a

475
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:46,720
Speaker 1: man that Armstrong was seeing. Authority say days after Wilson's death,

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00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:50,400
Speaker 1: Armstrong fled on a series of flights, eventually arriving in

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00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:54,960
Speaker 1: Costa Rica using someone else's passport and possibly even getting

478
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:58,320
Speaker 1: a nose job to change her appearance. Once there, they

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00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:02,840
Speaker 1: say she began taking yoga classes using multiple aliases. She

480
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:05,920
Speaker 1: really was going to these yoga studios and taking those

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00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:08,840
Speaker 1: classes to where we believe she was trying to become

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Speaker 1: some type of instructors. Yeah, there's some talk of surf yoga,

483
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Speaker 1: So we're learning now about the aliases, her nose job,

484
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:22,080
Speaker 1: of movements in Costa Rica. But take a listen to

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00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 1: this guy on GMA. Zachary Paulson says he was at

486
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:30,280
Speaker 1: the hostel where Armstrong was staying when Costa Rican police

487
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 1: detained her asking about how to get around cheaper, and

488
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 1: then the police came among Armstrong's belongings. Authorities say they

489
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:42,600
Speaker 1: found a receipt for cosmetic surgery with someone else's name

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00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:47,719
Speaker 1: and her sister's passport, but also several of Armstrong's real documents,

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00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:52,240
Speaker 1: her passport, social Security card, and COVID vaccination car. So

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00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:57,680
Speaker 1: we're learning, especially from this guy Zachary Paulson, about her

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00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:01,520
Speaker 1: plans to live on the run in Costa Rica. Take

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Speaker 1: a listen now to our friends at k v UE

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00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 1: party of the US Marshall's Service. While in Costa La

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Speaker 1: Costa Rica, Kavin Armstrong was using aliases like Beth Martin

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00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 1: at the hostel she was staying at, along with signing

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00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:18,760
Speaker 1: in for yoga classes. We also learned that to get

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00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:20,800
Speaker 1: to Costa Rica and Maya teen, she flew out a

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00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:24,000
Speaker 1: new Ark International Airport a day after a murder warrant

501
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:27,200
Speaker 1: was issued for her, accusing her of killing annam Riah Wilson.

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00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 1: US Marshall's Service says that she was using a fraudulent

503
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:33,880
Speaker 1: passport not belonging to her, It belonged to someone closely

504
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:37,880
Speaker 1: associated with her. We learned that to get to Costa Rica,

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00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:41,200
Speaker 1: she flew out of Newark. That's going to be caught

506
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 1: on camera. There was a lot of confusion about where

507
00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:49,280
Speaker 1: she went, how she got there, and what name under

508
00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 1: what name she was traveling? What more do we know

509
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 1: about her life on the run in Costa Rica? Take

510
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:58,840
Speaker 1: a listen now Friends at KUE While in Costa Rica

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00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:02,920
Speaker 1: US Marshall Service she used three aliases, Beth Martin, Liz

512
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:06,680
Speaker 1: and Ari Martin. It was also discovered that Kaylin Armstrong

513
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:09,560
Speaker 1: had changed her appearance and a receipt for plastic surgery

514
00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:12,320
Speaker 1: and passports were found in a lockbox at a hostel

515
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:17,000
Speaker 1: she was staying at. We believe strongly, based upon our investigation,

516
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:21,080
Speaker 1: that she was trying to really enhance her yoga instruction

517
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:24,200
Speaker 1: with some type of yoga at a retreat to where

518
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:27,040
Speaker 1: she was going to specialize in some type of surf yoga.

519
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:43,280
Speaker 1: So she was really educating herself. Time stories with Nancy

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00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:50,360
Speaker 1: Grace do you a code aboard Hutch Club? High profile

521
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:54,400
Speaker 1: lawyer are joining us out of the Texas jurisdiction. How

522
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:58,160
Speaker 1: does all this factor in to the trial, what we're

523
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:03,960
Speaker 1: learning about her changing appearance and her movements in Costa Rica,

524
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:07,800
Speaker 1: How will the state and or the defense use these

525
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:11,200
Speaker 1: facts at trial. We're not just passing the time of

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00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 1: a day like we're playing a game of canasta. All

527
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:18,960
Speaker 1: of this is evidence that, once marshalled, can be used

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00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:22,720
Speaker 1: at trial. How absolutely this is such a huge gift

529
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:26,240
Speaker 1: to the prosecution in the case where if the defense

530
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:28,000
Speaker 1: is right, they still may be putting some of the

531
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:30,359
Speaker 1: pieces of the puzzle together. But what they do know

532
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:35,480
Speaker 1: is that this woman, who they have circumstantial at least

533
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:39,560
Speaker 1: evidence to connect her to the crime, immediately went through

534
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:43,360
Speaker 1: some fairly complicated machinations to get out of the country,

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00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:47,640
Speaker 1: did quite a lot to change her appearance, and even

536
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 1: started trying to gather up the resources to begin what

537
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:53,959
Speaker 1: seems like a new life in a foreign country. And

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00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 1: all of this is relevant when it might not otherwise

539
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 1: be relevant in a case because it goes to show

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00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:06,279
Speaker 1: consciousness of guilt. And so what that means is that

541
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 1: the judge wouldn't normally let evidence in about things that

542
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:14,560
Speaker 1: really weren't connected to the actual moments of the crime.

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00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 1: Or the crime itself. But what the laws and rules

544
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:22,080
Speaker 1: of evidence say is is that if you have actions

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00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:27,160
Speaker 1: that immediately follow or follow closely to the facts of

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00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:31,200
Speaker 1: the crime that's alleged, that show that you're aware that

547
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:34,680
Speaker 1: you need to be escaping or leaving or have consciousness

548
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:38,000
Speaker 1: of your guilt, that that will be relevant and can

549
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:41,640
Speaker 1: come before a jury. So this is a huge gift

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00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:45,240
Speaker 1: to the prosecution, unfortunately for the defense, and the defense

551
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 1: is going to have to marshal their resources to try

552
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:51,160
Speaker 1: to keep it out or to dispute it. Guys, I

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00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:53,839
Speaker 1: want you to take a listen to our cut sixty four.

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00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:59,440
Speaker 1: This is Lisa Guerrero from Inside Addition, and from it

555
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:03,520
Speaker 1: we learn that the so called killer yoga teacher, just

556
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:09,839
Speaker 1: a glamorous yoga teacher, seemingly with everything that anyone would

557
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:15,560
Speaker 1: want in life, helped beauty a great practice. She had

558
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:21,520
Speaker 1: a long term plan for life after murder. Listen us

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00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:24,960
Speaker 1: Marshalls say Armstrong was trying to build a new life

560
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 1: in the remote beach town. It looks that, you know,

561
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:30,839
Speaker 1: she retreated back to her you know, her hobby, her

562
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:33,880
Speaker 1: career being in the yoga practice. We believe that she

563
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:36,520
Speaker 1: was trying to learn some type of new yoga, possibly

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00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:40,239
Speaker 1: to instruct up these stairs here as the yoga deck

565
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:42,759
Speaker 1: where they do yoga here. What kinds of things did

566
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 1: she do to her appearance? She cropped her hair about

567
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:49,000
Speaker 1: shoulderly and she died at dark brown. Before we get

568
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 1: too wrapped up in her hair color and her nose job,

569
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:56,400
Speaker 1: let's harken back to what this case is really about.

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00:36:57,360 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 1: To Joseph Scott Morgan, death investigator, let's talk about the

571
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:09,480
Speaker 1: way that this young woman, Mariah Wilson Moe was found dead,

572
00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:15,000
Speaker 1: cornered in a bathroom, murdered. Hit it. Yeah, she's you know,

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00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:18,719
Speaker 1: you walk into the scene and trust me, when they

574
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:21,840
Speaker 1: went in and she's in a bathroom, all right, her bathroom,

575
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:25,879
Speaker 1: and it gives you the impression at least and that

576
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:29,719
Speaker 1: she's retreated, you know, to this location. Perhaps she came

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00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:32,520
Speaker 1: to the door unaware of what's going to happen. There's

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00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:35,200
Speaker 1: no sign, you know, when when they got there, that

579
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:38,879
Speaker 1: there's any evidence of forced entry in this environment. There's

580
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:41,319
Speaker 1: no sign of, say, for instance, a struggle. Well, what

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00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:43,440
Speaker 1: does that imply? Well, I think that one of the

582
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:45,800
Speaker 1: things that you can kind of, you know, walk away

583
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:49,480
Speaker 1: with is that somebody's got a gun in your face

584
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 1: at that point in time, how do you get somebody

585
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:53,960
Speaker 1: to comply like this? You know, you've got this woman

586
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:56,720
Speaker 1: that's raging. She shows up, she's got a handgun and

587
00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:58,880
Speaker 1: you know, and she's wielding it and she directs you

588
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:02,080
Speaker 1: back to that bathroom or she's retreated there out of fear,

589
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:04,799
Speaker 1: and she's captured. In that moment, there's nowhere to run,

590
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:07,560
Speaker 1: and at that point in time, she starts to fire

591
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:10,440
Speaker 1: rounds off at this young woman and she's going to

592
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:13,279
Speaker 1: be dead right there on the spot. The upside, if

593
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 1: there can be relative to forensics here is that everything

594
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:21,880
Speaker 1: in that environment is contained. That is that when you

595
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:24,280
Speaker 1: go into that environment, you can pick up on blood

596
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:26,279
Speaker 1: evidence she can pick up. Remember we talked about the

597
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:29,080
Speaker 1: casings just a little while ago. All that stuffs contained

598
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:32,040
Speaker 1: because the perpetrator did not take the time to pick

599
00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:36,400
Speaker 1: these casings up after they went into the bathroom and

600
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 1: shut these rounds into her body. To doctor Sherry Schwartz,

601
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:47,759
Speaker 1: joining US forensics psychologists specializing in criminal behavior, Doctor Sherry Schwartz,

602
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:54,840
Speaker 1: a grown woman that cannot control her impulse impulses driven

603
00:38:54,920 --> 00:39:03,200
Speaker 1: by rage, the desire to possess the boy friend, anger, obsession.

604
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:07,400
Speaker 1: Mariah was shot. This twenty five year old girl was

605
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:13,399
Speaker 1: shot multiple times while cornered in the bathroom. What does

606
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:17,000
Speaker 1: that tell you, Well, there's there's a couple of things there.

607
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:21,000
Speaker 1: One of the things that we don't diagnose very often,

608
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:24,640
Speaker 1: but it is becoming more and more recognized, is obsessive

609
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:27,839
Speaker 1: love disorder, right where this person has a constant need

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00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:31,800
Speaker 1: for validation from the person they love. They are obsessively

611
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:36,000
Speaker 1: keeping track of this person. They ignore personal boundaries, they're

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00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 1: controlling extreme jealousy. It could also be accompanied by, or

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00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:47,080
Speaker 1: in place of, borderline personality disorder, which is actually very

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00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:50,480
Speaker 1: similar that the manifestations would be very very similar, just

615
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:55,120
Speaker 1: that with borderline personality disorder, you it's more observable, the

616
00:39:55,200 --> 00:40:00,440
Speaker 1: extreme emotional swings, chronic feelings of emptiness, explosive anger, and

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00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:07,360
Speaker 1: it all culminates in an unarmed woman being shot multiple times.

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Speaker 1: So is this for real? Alexis trust We're going to

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Speaker 1: trial in October. That's what her attorney wants. He says,

620
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:16,040
Speaker 1: she doesn't want to sit in jail. She wants to go.

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Speaker 1: She has She's ready to say that. Everybody else did

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00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:22,120
Speaker 1: it accept her? Well? I've got my seat belt buckled.

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Speaker 1: We wait as justice unfolds Nancy Gray's crime story, signing

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Speaker 1: off goodbye,