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Speaker 1: Music Saved Me.

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Speaker 2: I'm your host, Lynn Hoffman. Now, if you enjoy this podcast,

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Speaker 2: thank you so much. I host another one called Comedy

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Speaker 2: Save Me. And also I want to tell you about Buzznight,

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Speaker 2: who hosts an awesome, in depth music history podcast called

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Speaker 2: Taken a Walk, and the newest podcast to the Buzznight

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Speaker 2: media family, Taken a Walk Nashville with Sarah Harrelson at

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Speaker 2: the Helm, who, by the way, is killing it on

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Speaker 2: the podcast charts and getting rave reviews. You might want

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Speaker 2: to check her out too while you're at it. Today's

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Speaker 2: guest is a powerhouse of passion and purpose. Singer, songwriter, guitarist,

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Speaker 2: producer and musical director for Little Stephen van Zandt and

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Speaker 2: the Disciples of Soul from gigging in New York clubs

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Speaker 2: as a teenager to writing Billboard hits like anything at All,

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Speaker 2: to building the beloved Mark Ribbler and Friends showcase at

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Speaker 2: the mccluns in Asbury Park. Mark Ribbler lives and breathes music.

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Speaker 2: He's written and produced songs for artists around the world.

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Speaker 2: He scored films and jingles and commercials, and he always

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Speaker 2: shows up with relentless energy, often eighteen hours a day.

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Speaker 2: This guy is an unstoppable force because music has always

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Speaker 2: been his lifeline. Now Mark C's music, He's told me

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Speaker 2: this personally has the ultimate way to process life's joys

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Speaker 2: and struggles, fight for what's right, and keep.

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Speaker 1: The dream alive.

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Speaker 2: So, whether music saved him or he's been saving it

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Speaker 2: for the rest of us, this is going to be

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Speaker 2: a very special edition of Music Save Me.

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Speaker 1: My dear friend.

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Speaker 2: An incredibly talented musician, Mark Ribbler joins me on Music

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Speaker 2: Save Me right after this.

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Speaker 1: Don't go anywhere you don't want to miss it.

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Speaker 2: Music Saved Me, Mark Ribbler, list, Welcome to Music Save Me.

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Speaker 1: It is so great to have you on the show.

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Speaker 2: Finally.

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Speaker 1: It took me like what four years to get you here.

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Speaker 3: Please check out all our shows taken out. It's so

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Speaker 3: great to see you. I'm doing well, busy, which is good,

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Speaker 3: you know, and taken over. We had trouble by yours

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Speaker 3: and uh your studio your looks beautiful, almost as beautiful

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Speaker 3: as you. Yeah, your introduction is very sweet and overwhelming,

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Speaker 3: So thank you for that.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's what I aim to do. But it's only

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Speaker 2: the truth, honestly, it really is. You're You're an incredible person.

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Speaker 2: You're an incredible human being. You've had quite an incredible

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Speaker 2: life and music's been a very big part of it.

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Speaker 1: Before we even get started.

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Speaker 2: When we were texting so I could get you on

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Speaker 2: the show, I was watching the Dick Caviot where Mark

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Speaker 2: is actually walking into Dick Caviot's house to do a

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Speaker 2: music video called Dick Caviot, which is hilarious. You can

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Speaker 2: catch it on YouTube. There's a lot of famous people

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Speaker 2: talk Dick Cavit into this? And also you texted me

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Speaker 2: and said that you were also on the set of

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Speaker 2: a film set last week, so what are you up.

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Speaker 3: To well at the moment filming a very it's a

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Speaker 3: It's it's quite a blessing to be around. You know.

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Speaker 3: we're instruments of you know, of God or of the universe,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's it's a perfect timing for this podcast

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Speaker 3: no relation, is the director and a friend of mine

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's very fulfilling. And how interesting because I

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Speaker 2: When I were drawn to it, it called to you

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Speaker 2: when when did you realize that music was magical? I

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Speaker 2: hearing you and hearing your music, and it was amazing.

432
00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:41,320
Speaker 2: And I think we had met just shortly before that,

433
00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:43,480
Speaker 2: so I didn't realize that all went down right before

434
00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:43,960
Speaker 2: I met you.

435
00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:48,160
Speaker 3: That's right. Everything everything went down just before I met you, Lynn,

436
00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:51,199
Speaker 3: and we even got the pandemic behind. I think we

437
00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:54,240
Speaker 3: met right as the pandemic was sort of yeah, subsiding

438
00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:56,800
Speaker 3: a bit, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it was probably I

439
00:23:56,840 --> 00:23:58,960
Speaker 3: think it was like April of twenty two if I'm

440
00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:00,720
Speaker 3: that we met.

441
00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:02,080
Speaker 1: Wow, please are you kidding me?

442
00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:04,480
Speaker 3: Thanks to thanks for four years ago.

443
00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:08,160
Speaker 2: Thanks, that was a fast four year Yeah right, that's

444
00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:11,760
Speaker 2: a great. Well, You've just brought nothing but light into

445
00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:13,800
Speaker 2: my life since I've met you. So I'm so grateful

446
00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:16,960
Speaker 2: that you're spending some time with us and on the

447
00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:19,240
Speaker 2: show today. Can I ask you a little bit of

448
00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:21,800
Speaker 2: a personal question because you have such an incredible life

449
00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:24,560
Speaker 2: outside of music, I mean just your dad and your

450
00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:28,240
Speaker 2: story of your family where you came from. Could you

451
00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:30,280
Speaker 2: share a little bit about that? And also I know

452
00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:35,639
Speaker 2: you had some health issues that almost sidelined you permanently,

453
00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:38,639
Speaker 2: and I wondered how music got you through that and

454
00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:41,800
Speaker 2: if there was any kind of suggestions for anyone going

455
00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:44,280
Speaker 2: through a time that they could use.

456
00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:51,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I'll tell you about my life, my health crisis. Yeah,

457
00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:56,080
Speaker 3: and my parents were certainly my parents were very I

458
00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:59,800
Speaker 3: was very blessed with parents. They were both always incredibly

459
00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:03,280
Speaker 3: portive that I wanted to be a musician, although my

460
00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:05,159
Speaker 3: mom would have you know, she would have preferred if

461
00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:07,679
Speaker 3: I went to college, I became a professional.

462
00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:11,119
Speaker 1: Doctor or a lawyer. Come on, yeah, exactly, great, I

463
00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:11,440
Speaker 1: had the.

464
00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:15,239
Speaker 3: Same right, you know. So she was at first she

465
00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:20,359
Speaker 3: was maybe disappointed that her vision for my future wasn't met,

466
00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:23,040
Speaker 3: but she realized how passionate I was, and then she

467
00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:26,800
Speaker 3: she got on board, you know. So they were always supportive.

468
00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:31,840
Speaker 3: In fact, even later in life, I had this residency

469
00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:34,480
Speaker 3: at this club in Asbury Park, which you mentioned, mclun's

470
00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:37,600
Speaker 3: Supper Club, and we played every Tuesday night. We'd play

471
00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:41,400
Speaker 3: original music and we'd play a tribute theme like whether

472
00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:44,719
Speaker 3: it be you know, the Beatles, Jimi Hendrix, Allman Brothers, whatever.

473
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:48,400
Speaker 3: Every week. My parents and then they were in their

474
00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:52,399
Speaker 3: late seventies early eighties. Every Tuesday they had their table,

475
00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:55,800
Speaker 3: they sat in the audience. My mom was like, you know,

476
00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:58,600
Speaker 3: the mayor, she would hold court. Everyone knew and loved

477
00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:01,280
Speaker 3: my mom my dad, but just to be able to

478
00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:05,159
Speaker 3: play music every week and have them present was the

479
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:08,040
Speaker 3: greatest gift, you know, and my mom. My mom passed

480
00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:12,359
Speaker 3: away almost seven years ago, but I feel like having

481
00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:15,320
Speaker 3: that experience. And then I was on the road with

482
00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:18,240
Speaker 3: Stephen when she passed, but we got to spend the

483
00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:20,600
Speaker 3: last three weeks of her life together thanks to Steve

484
00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:24,479
Speaker 3: and you know, deciding to hub from home and on

485
00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:27,040
Speaker 3: the in the Northeast. You know. So anyway, I've been

486
00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:30,120
Speaker 3: very blessed with parents. You know, my dad's still ninety three.

487
00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:32,160
Speaker 3: I'm my dad's still here. Yeah, God bless him.

488
00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:34,359
Speaker 1: You know, just moved him to Florida.

489
00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:39,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's My sister takes great care of him in Florida. Yeah. So,

490
00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:42,439
Speaker 3: so the health thing, you know, being in the in

491
00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:46,439
Speaker 3: the music business, uh are you know, my entire life,

492
00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:53,159
Speaker 3: it's incredibly stressful. You're constantly being rejected, You're constantly being

493
00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:57,280
Speaker 3: you know, you take a beating, you take an emotional beating,

494
00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:00,480
Speaker 3: and you have to be willing to go through and

495
00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:04,040
Speaker 3: back to survive in the music business. And and it's

496
00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:06,080
Speaker 3: not always that when and then you'll get you'll get

497
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:08,919
Speaker 3: little gems that kind of lead you on to like

498
00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:11,480
Speaker 3: hang in there, you know. Yes, but I never had

499
00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:13,600
Speaker 3: a plan b So I was going through whatever I

500
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:17,320
Speaker 3: had to go through. But you know, showcasing for record labels,

501
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:20,080
Speaker 3: having songs go up to chart and then they die

502
00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:24,199
Speaker 3: because grunge music comes in. You know, you have like

503
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:26,240
Speaker 3: like I had songs flying up a chart with with

504
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:29,080
Speaker 3: bands like like Alias, you know, they used to be Sheriff,

505
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:33,600
Speaker 3: this guy, Mitch molloy, and then grunge comes out and

506
00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:36,960
Speaker 3: anything that was pop oriented was over, you know. So

507
00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:38,320
Speaker 3: I was I used to write a lot of pop

508
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:40,760
Speaker 3: rock songs with a lot of these hair bands and

509
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:44,480
Speaker 3: you know, pop bands. So all these things, you know, occur,

510
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:47,119
Speaker 3: and you know you're taking on all this stress and

511
00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:49,399
Speaker 3: everything's fine and you're surviving, and then all of a sudden,

512
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:52,040
Speaker 3: one day, I was living in Lower Manhattan and I

513
00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:54,560
Speaker 3: was I was playing guitar. I was actually busking at

514
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:55,640
Speaker 3: the South Street Seaport.

515
00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:57,080
Speaker 1: You were that's so cool.

516
00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:00,199
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it was a it was a trip, know,

517
00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:05,560
Speaker 3: so playing for this incredible spectrum of all of humanity

518
00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:08,280
Speaker 3: every day, and I made a living at it. Like

519
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:10,199
Speaker 3: I had a couple of years with you know, the

520
00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:13,480
Speaker 3: music business after grunge. You know, there were some years

521
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:15,280
Speaker 3: of like we had to do other things to make

522
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:18,280
Speaker 3: a living aside from writing and producing, you know, but

523
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:20,080
Speaker 3: one day I was, I was playing and I just

524
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:24,399
Speaker 3: I just kind of had some stomach pains and that

525
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:28,359
Speaker 3: turned into it sort was exacerbating, and then I developed

526
00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:32,080
Speaker 3: I was developing alternative colitis. And I didn't know that

527
00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:35,840
Speaker 3: at the time, but I went to a gastroentrologist. He

528
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:38,880
Speaker 3: diagnosed me as alternative colitis. You need to be on

529
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:41,680
Speaker 3: these drugs for the rest of your life. And I

530
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:43,760
Speaker 3: was like, I was a vegan. Then I was jogging

531
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:47,440
Speaker 3: seven miles a day, I was, I was, I was

532
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:52,280
Speaker 3: sort of alternative leaning with all anything medical, you know.

533
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:54,440
Speaker 3: So it was like, I'm not going to take these

534
00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:56,160
Speaker 3: drugs the rest of my life. I'm going to find

535
00:28:56,160 --> 00:29:00,680
Speaker 3: some alternative way of healing. I went to a natural

536
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:04,920
Speaker 3: food food person, this guy David Jubb, who was from Tasmania,

537
00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:08,760
Speaker 3: and he was he would He had a very rigid

538
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:13,760
Speaker 3: raw foods diet that I tried, and all these detoxification flushes,

539
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:19,080
Speaker 3: liver flushes and gall bladder flushes, and my my condition

540
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:23,000
Speaker 3: just kept getting worse. So finally, in the midst of this,

541
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:28,000
Speaker 3: UH this this producer David z who he produced Kenny

542
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:32,360
Speaker 3: Wayne Shepherd and uh he produced Funky Town back in

543
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:36,200
Speaker 3: the day he was also he was Prince's engineer through

544
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:37,680
Speaker 3: all the all the years of hits.

545
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:38,840
Speaker 1: Uh.

546
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:41,880
Speaker 3: He he loved my music and he wanted to do Uh.

547
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:43,840
Speaker 3: He said, would you come to Nashville and let you know,

548
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:46,000
Speaker 3: I like to produce your record, you know. So I

549
00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:49,200
Speaker 3: go to Nashville, I bring all my guitars, all my amps,

550
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 3: you know, drive down. We make this record and and

551
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:55,600
Speaker 3: he says, I'll want to go shop your record now,

552
00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:58,440
Speaker 3: and then I don't. I don't know what happened, but

553
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:01,280
Speaker 3: he got it. He got called for another projects and

554
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:03,160
Speaker 3: he couldn't mix the record, That's what it was. So

555
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:06,520
Speaker 3: we we got some mixes done. He like, he sent

556
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:09,160
Speaker 3: into a couple of labels and it was rejected. But

557
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:12,200
Speaker 3: in the course of like traveling and putting all this

558
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:16,640
Speaker 3: emotion and energy into like I'm getting my record deal,

559
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:18,320
Speaker 3: I'm finally gonna have you know, I'm gonna have my

560
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:19,800
Speaker 3: record deal. I'm gonna have a record out. You know,

561
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:24,479
Speaker 3: I'm gonna have hit records. Nothing happened, you know, and

562
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:31,040
Speaker 3: it exacerbated my colitis, so literally I was I needed.

563
00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:35,480
Speaker 3: I went into the hospital. This is October of nineteen

564
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:39,320
Speaker 3: ninety nine, and I spent four months in the hospital

565
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:41,840
Speaker 3: and I had a surgery that saved my life. But

566
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:45,200
Speaker 3: I wasn't going to have surgery, and I was you know,

567
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:48,040
Speaker 3: I was on I was on chemotherapy because it's an

568
00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:52,200
Speaker 3: autoimmune disease, to soil your immune system down. I was

569
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:55,520
Speaker 3: addicted to pain meds because it's the pain from all

570
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:58,720
Speaker 3: sort of colitis. If anyone that's experienced it, it's it's

571
00:30:58,840 --> 00:30:59,960
Speaker 3: incredibly intense.

572
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:00,760
Speaker 1: Yeah.

573
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:05,120
Speaker 3: So, anyway, when all was said and done, this surgeon

574
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:08,280
Speaker 3: came into the room one day and said, I think

575
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:12,240
Speaker 3: you need the surgery, and of course your condition is

576
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:13,680
Speaker 3: going to keep getting worse. At this point, I was

577
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:16,680
Speaker 3: about aheart and twenty pounds. I'm six foot, I was

578
00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:19,720
Speaker 3: very thin. You know. Yeah, I had this surgery and

579
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:22,800
Speaker 3: this guy saved my life. The thing that kept me

580
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:25,320
Speaker 3: alive was I couldn't I didn't have the strength to

581
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 3: play my guitar. But my guitar was in the corner

582
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:31,520
Speaker 3: of the room and it was a beacon of light

583
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 3: and hope for me, and I like, that's the thing

584
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:36,440
Speaker 3: I had to get back to. Yeah.

585
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:39,480
Speaker 2: So so it got you, It got you where you were,

586
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:41,840
Speaker 2: but pulled you back exactly.

587
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:43,959
Speaker 1: Did say something not the actual music.

588
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 3: That's right. The business, the business of music almost took

589
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:51,719
Speaker 3: me out, and the thought of continuing to make music

590
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:54,600
Speaker 3: and the healing power of music is what is what

591
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 3: saved my life.

592
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:59,120
Speaker 4: Literally, we'll be right back with more of the Music

593
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:08,040
Speaker 4: Saved Me Podcast. Welcome back to the Music Saved Me Podcast.

594
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:12,720
Speaker 2: What would you give to an aspiring artist who has

595
00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:17,520
Speaker 2: gone through trials and tribulations like you to maybe sidestep

596
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:18,000
Speaker 2: an ulcer?

597
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:23,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, well I wish, you know, maybe when

598
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:26,800
Speaker 3: I was younger, i'd you know, I had some interest

599
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:29,840
Speaker 3: in yoga things like that, you know, anything any kind

600
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:34,040
Speaker 3: of stress management. You know. It's like as musicians, as

601
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:37,920
Speaker 3: emotional people, you know, we take everything, we take it

602
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:42,480
Speaker 3: to heart. We're empathetic by nature, you know. So you know,

603
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:47,480
Speaker 3: so if if you can come up with a health,

604
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:53,560
Speaker 3: a healthy way to manage stress, you know, whether it's yoga, meditation, exercise,

605
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:57,240
Speaker 3: eating healthy. As difficult as it is to be on

606
00:32:57,280 --> 00:33:00,720
Speaker 3: the road and eat healthy, you know, but but just

607
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:04,200
Speaker 3: make the effort, you know, because all these things will

608
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:07,320
Speaker 3: reduce stress. And if you I mean my Achilles heel

609
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:10,360
Speaker 3: was my was Mike Colon, you know, and I put

610
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 3: all my stress in there and I got very sick.

611
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 3: It's really about stress management.

612
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:18,600
Speaker 2: I think, Yeah, I agree, and keep going because you've

613
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:22,240
Speaker 2: made an entire career. You've also were in other parts

614
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:24,920
Speaker 2: of which I found really fascinating. It's kind of part

615
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:28,280
Speaker 2: of my world where I started in commercials and things

616
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:30,760
Speaker 2: of that nature. How did you like tell me about

617
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:34,200
Speaker 2: that experience a little bit for uh, maybe commercials people

618
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:36,080
Speaker 2: might remember jingles.

619
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, well the first, the first jingle that I ever

620
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:48,800
Speaker 3: won was an STD HIVV commercial by Trojan Condoms fun.

621
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:52,920
Speaker 3: So yeah, you know, we would joke, of course, you know,

622
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:57,040
Speaker 3: but it wasn't Trojan Man. It wasn't Trojan Man. It

623
00:33:57,120 --> 00:34:01,800
Speaker 3: was it was actually a very heartfelt song about respect

624
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:07,520
Speaker 3: and being responsible. So they send the head agency sent

625
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:12,200
Speaker 3: me a thirty second video with some temp music that

626
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:13,920
Speaker 3: was in it, but it was a couple holding hands

627
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:18,440
Speaker 3: on a couch and then the caption says forty percent

628
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:23,000
Speaker 3: of people with HIV don't tell their partners. What it

629
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:26,520
Speaker 3: blew my mind. I was so moved by whether you know,

630
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:30,880
Speaker 3: it's like these you know, statactics, real statistics, but but

631
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:32,640
Speaker 3: I was thinking it just made me, It put me

632
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:35,719
Speaker 3: in this emotional place about it. You know, it's like, hey,

633
00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:39,239
Speaker 3: if you know, people get sick, you know people, you know,

634
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:43,240
Speaker 3: people can be promiscuous, you know, and and things happen.

635
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:45,840
Speaker 3: So you know, if you know something about yourself, you

636
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:49,120
Speaker 3: need to be responsible. You can't just pretend that you know,

637
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:52,120
Speaker 3: this doesn't exist. So I walked away. So I watched

638
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:55,080
Speaker 3: this picture and I wrote this song. It was called

639
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:59,239
Speaker 3: This Life. So I would approach Jingles as a songwriter,

640
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:02,040
Speaker 3: so I would basically thinking of it as a song

641
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:04,680
Speaker 3: that would be great for a score in this movie

642
00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:08,360
Speaker 3: about this couple that needs to be you know, responsible,

643
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:10,439
Speaker 3: and you know, so I wrote this song, This Life,

644
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:14,560
Speaker 3: and we send it to the agency and they love it,

645
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:18,799
Speaker 3: except they spend two months trying to change it, like

646
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:21,640
Speaker 3: spinning my wheels for two months. You know. Can we

647
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:24,640
Speaker 3: start on a minor chord? Can we can we you know,

648
00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:26,799
Speaker 3: can we put it back to the can back to

649
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:29,879
Speaker 3: the major key? Can we can we make it a ballot? Can?

650
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:30,160
Speaker 3: You know?

651
00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 1: And they know nothing about music compositions.

652
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:35,600
Speaker 3: Yeah they're not they're not musicians, you know, but but

653
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:38,400
Speaker 3: they're they're scared. I mean, I found that the people

654
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:41,520
Speaker 3: that work at ed agencies are scared to death of

655
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:44,200
Speaker 3: losing their job of making a wrong decision, you know,

656
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:47,080
Speaker 3: and they then they'll put the producer in, the artists

657
00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:50,360
Speaker 3: on all this on these trips because from their fear,

658
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:54,160
Speaker 3: they're projecting all this on the project. You know. Anyway,

659
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:56,560
Speaker 3: when all was said and done, after it was probably

660
00:35:56,600 --> 00:36:00,799
Speaker 3: six weeks, felt like a year. We we finally came

661
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 3: back and they signed off on what the original song was.

662
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:07,799
Speaker 3: So all these changes were in vain, but at least

663
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:10,160
Speaker 3: it got us to the point where they signed off.

664
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:16,200
Speaker 3: The commercial was extremely controversial. There was a lot of

665
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 3: like the gay community had issues with it, so it

666
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:23,759
Speaker 3: would it played. It ran for two years, but under

667
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:28,239
Speaker 3: with a lot of pushback. You know. The funny thing

668
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:30,520
Speaker 3: was after the song was on the TV and radio

669
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:33,120
Speaker 3: for like a month, I started getting I literally got

670
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 3: thousands of emails. This is the early day of the internet, yes,

671
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:39,640
Speaker 3: you know social media. It was the days of MySpace,

672
00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:42,759
Speaker 3: you know, and two thousand and six, I believe it was.

673
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:45,560
Speaker 3: And I was people were going to my website sending

674
00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:48,919
Speaker 3: me emails. I want this song, Please release this song.

675
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:51,680
Speaker 3: Where can I get the song? So I discussed who

676
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:53,640
Speaker 3: my manager. He says, well, let's make a record. Let's

677
00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:56,000
Speaker 3: make a whole album, you know. So I made a

678
00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:59,520
Speaker 3: record called This Life that was a featured song, and

679
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 3: and we sold a lot of records. But it wasn't

680
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:04,560
Speaker 3: through a record label. It was because I had a

681
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 3: song in a commercial that people they responded to it,

682
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 3: They love this song, they wanted the record. So, you know,

683
00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:13,000
Speaker 3: you make plants like oh, I need a record deal

684
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:14,719
Speaker 3: to sell. You know, you don't need a record deal.

685
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 3: You need whatever whatever's going to happen to you. That

686
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:21,920
Speaker 3: wherever your success can come from, you don't know. So

687
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:24,200
Speaker 3: you just get up every day, you keep doing what

688
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:29,759
Speaker 3: you're doing, and one day the light shines down and

689
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:31,280
Speaker 3: your dream happens.

690
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:34,440
Speaker 2: Well, Mark the light shines on you twenty four to seven.

691
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 2: In fact, I should put on some sunglasses right now,

692
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:40,840
Speaker 2: it's very bright. No, but you are a true testament

693
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:42,880
Speaker 2: to someone who believes in what they do, and you

694
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:45,239
Speaker 2: do it so well, and you've been able to sort

695
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:50,680
Speaker 2: of cobble together a career throughout your entire life, which

696
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:54,400
Speaker 2: I mean, the chips are down so many times and

697
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 2: you just rise like a phoenix every single time.

698
00:37:57,280 --> 00:37:59,920
Speaker 1: So I really appreciate that.

699
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 3: I appreciate you saying that line. You get enough, you

700
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:08,600
Speaker 3: get enough nuggets or you know, gems just appear like

701
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:11,880
Speaker 3: you know, when you least expected, and it's like and

702
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:14,680
Speaker 3: it reminds you why, you know, not that it's about

703
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:17,799
Speaker 3: you know, it's really about the process. If you don't

704
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:19,840
Speaker 3: enjoy the process of making music, then you shouldn't be

705
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:23,040
Speaker 3: in the business. We have goals, you know, but it's

706
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:25,719
Speaker 3: the journey, you know. It's like, that's what you have

707
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:27,400
Speaker 3: to be present for, and that's what you have to enjoy.

708
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:32,080
Speaker 3: And then these gems and these nuggets appear, as you know,

709
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:35,879
Speaker 3: to affirm you know that you're doing you know, you're

710
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 3: doing what you're supposed to be doing. You get the

711
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:41,319
Speaker 3: bills paid, you know. But I feel blessed just I've

712
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:43,640
Speaker 3: been able to follow my dream my entire life and

713
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:47,320
Speaker 3: make music. It's that itself is you know, that's a blessing.

714
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:48,400
Speaker 3: That's such a gift. You know.

715
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:50,880
Speaker 2: Speaking of those nuggets, I have to say, you're one

716
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:54,320
Speaker 2: of my nuggets, because one of my dreams was always

717
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:57,640
Speaker 2: too I wanted to do everything really and everyone kept

718
00:38:57,640 --> 00:38:59,680
Speaker 2: telling me just do one thing really well, and like that,

719
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:00,839
Speaker 2: that's that's not my brain.

720
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 1: So I liked it.

721
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:05,920
Speaker 2: I wanted to do everything and including make a documentary film.

722
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:09,920
Speaker 2: So that's what brought you and I together, But really

723
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:14,200
Speaker 2: the biggest moment from all of that was we met.

724
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:16,719
Speaker 2: And then next thing, you know, my husband and I

725
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 2: are putting a movie studio. In the car were driving

726
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:23,319
Speaker 2: into the city to meet you at Stephen's studio. Just

727
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:26,800
Speaker 2: unbeknounced to me on your own you were so inspired

728
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:28,839
Speaker 2: by our project we were working on that you wrote

729
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 2: a song and performed it and we were able to

730
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:34,880
Speaker 2: film it and I could see you working with Stephen,

731
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:38,400
Speaker 2: who was so gracious to come by during the filming

732
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:42,640
Speaker 2: and release of the song. And it was really a

733
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:45,440
Speaker 2: place that I never thought that I would be. And

734
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:49,920
Speaker 2: it was a surreal day. And I know it's you know,

735
00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 2: it's still being massaged everything, and there's so much patience

736
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:55,120
Speaker 2: you have to have in this industry with everything that

737
00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:55,520
Speaker 2: you do.

738
00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:58,600
Speaker 1: You know, things don't always happen right away.

739
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:02,880
Speaker 3: They don't. And and see the thing that happened when we

740
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:08,120
Speaker 3: met you and Ireland and and and Jim Tomlinson and

741
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:12,399
Speaker 3: and Rivera. You know, it's like I was investing in

742
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:14,960
Speaker 3: you because I felt like you guys are real. This

743
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:18,200
Speaker 3: is like we believed in you guys and the project.

744
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:20,759
Speaker 3: You know. So and when I I don't do I

745
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:22,960
Speaker 3: don't commit to anything that I can't put my heart

746
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:25,520
Speaker 3: and soul in. That's the other thing. Like for for

747
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:29,160
Speaker 3: young musicians, it's like, don't you know I have friends

748
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:32,279
Speaker 3: that they're scared to say no to every project that

749
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:34,719
Speaker 3: comes in, but do things that fulfill you. You know,

750
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:38,600
Speaker 3: this music project that I've been working on with Lynn

751
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:41,680
Speaker 3: and Jim and Mark the last few years, it's about

752
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:45,919
Speaker 3: you know, it's the connectivity of the music community, where

753
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:49,440
Speaker 3: we come from, you know, how we got here, the history,

754
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:53,239
Speaker 3: and so immediately, you know, we have this idea for

755
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:55,040
Speaker 3: a song that must be in the water, you know,

756
00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:59,320
Speaker 3: and and which you know, I remember watching the Muscle

757
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:04,600
Speaker 3: Shoals move the and the the Wrecking Crew movie or

758
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:07,799
Speaker 3: the one about the Funk Brothers. You know, it's like

759
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:12,399
Speaker 3: a lot of a lot of where great music comes from.

760
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:14,480
Speaker 3: It's by a body of water, you know. And it's

761
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:18,840
Speaker 3: like Asbury Park, yeah, you know, in Detroit. You know,

762
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:23,440
Speaker 3: there's the lakes. You know. It's like so it's like, well,

763
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 3: it must be in the water, you know.

764
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:26,760
Speaker 1: Well it happened to you two on the text feed.

765
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:28,520
Speaker 2: We were all in a text feed and I saw

766
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:30,719
Speaker 2: you both you and Mark were going back and forth

767
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:32,480
Speaker 2: and next thing, you know, you both came up with

768
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:33,760
Speaker 2: the name at the same time.

769
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:36,399
Speaker 3: That's right, that's right, the title. Yeah, just in from

770
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:37,480
Speaker 3: our conversation that day.

771
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:39,080
Speaker 2: I felt like a fly on the wall in a

772
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:41,680
Speaker 2: creative session that like you forgot that I was on

773
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 2: the feed.

774
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:45,960
Speaker 3: That was great, it's great. Yeah. Yeah, we just just

775
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:49,360
Speaker 3: kind of by asthmosis. And that's the thing as a musician,

776
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:52,759
Speaker 3: like always be present. There's magic. First of all, there's

777
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:56,919
Speaker 3: magic happening, happening in every human beings life all day long.

778
00:41:57,040 --> 00:41:59,719
Speaker 3: It's like I look at it like if you know,

779
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:02,520
Speaker 3: it's like, oh, I can't believe that you know, you

780
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:05,920
Speaker 3: know this person. And it's like I get more concerned

781
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:08,879
Speaker 3: when those things don't happen. Yes, when you don't see

782
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 3: those you know, these these connections, these soul connections that

783
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:16,680
Speaker 3: we all have, and these magical experiences that happen. For example,

784
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:21,560
Speaker 3: even the Dick Cavit story. You know, I I wrote

785
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 3: a song called Dick Cabot. It was it was on

786
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:28,240
Speaker 3: my last record, right for six months before the record

787
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:32,000
Speaker 3: came out, I was just dreaming literally at night, daydreaming,

788
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:36,120
Speaker 3: never said anything to anybody. I want Dick Cabot. My

789
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:40,879
Speaker 3: dream was my mantra. My internal mantra was I want

790
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:44,160
Speaker 3: Dick Cavit to hear this song. That's it. So I

791
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:47,000
Speaker 3: get a call one day, six months after this mantra

792
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:50,200
Speaker 3: has been going on, not even you know, not even realizing,

793
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:52,040
Speaker 3: but it's like this loop going on in my head.

794
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:56,160
Speaker 3: My friend Rich Russo, who's he's a DJ at the

795
00:42:56,239 --> 00:43:00,200
Speaker 3: underground garage, calls me up. He says, Mark, well, let

796
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:03,040
Speaker 3: me preference this by apologizing. I said, okay, what are

797
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:05,480
Speaker 3: you What are you apologizing for? Well, I got an

798
00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:09,040
Speaker 3: advanced copy of your record. I love that song, Dick Caviot,

799
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:13,160
Speaker 3: and I sent it to my friend, who is Dick

800
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:18,440
Speaker 3: Kavit's director. He handles his estate, he's his assistant, and

801
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:22,320
Speaker 3: I go. I said, first of all, Rich, you're you're apologizing,

802
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:24,880
Speaker 3: but I want to give you a kiss. You know,

803
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:28,880
Speaker 3: it's like you're a magician, you're an alchemist. You're answering

804
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:32,240
Speaker 3: this like a prayer, like you know, like running around

805
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:36,319
Speaker 3: in your head exactly exactly. He said, Okay, well, keep

806
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:38,319
Speaker 3: your fingers crossed. Dick's going to hear this song in

807
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:40,920
Speaker 3: the next couple of days, and I'll give you a

808
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:43,000
Speaker 3: call and let you know what happens. He calls me

809
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:48,360
Speaker 3: back two days later. Dick loved your song. He in fact,

810
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:50,799
Speaker 3: he said, no one's ever written a song for him,

811
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:53,759
Speaker 3: and he's inviting you and the band up to his

812
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:55,600
Speaker 3: house to make a music video.

813
00:43:56,480 --> 00:43:59,160
Speaker 1: What that's your response when that happened? Like what I

814
00:43:59,320 --> 00:43:59,600
Speaker 1: was doing?

815
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:01,480
Speaker 3: I was doing a jig, you know, I was dan,

816
00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:04,120
Speaker 3: I don't know, you know, I was. I was exploding

817
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:08,680
Speaker 3: with joy, and you know, I mean, I can't when

818
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:11,600
Speaker 3: I think of that day, it's like, well, this is magic.

819
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:14,120
Speaker 3: You know, it's all magic. You know, it's just just

820
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:15,840
Speaker 3: the fact you're able to do what you love is

821
00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:19,400
Speaker 3: it's magic. You know. There's so much chaos in the universe.

822
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:24,040
Speaker 3: The fact that you can get from your home to wherever,

823
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 3: New York City or Los Angeles flying, you know, these

824
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:29,960
Speaker 3: are all magical occurrences. You know, it's like so much

825
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:32,239
Speaker 3: can go wrong. So when everything's going right, you know

826
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:36,640
Speaker 3: it it's kind of yeah, it should be celebrated. Exactly. Wow.

827
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:39,200
Speaker 2: Well, I first of all, you got to check out

828
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:40,240
Speaker 2: that it's called It's so easy.

829
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:40,840
Speaker 1: Dick Cavit.

830
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:42,920
Speaker 2: I ran into him on one of my first auditions

831
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:46,200
Speaker 2: at the William Morris Agency in the recording booth. You

832
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:49,279
Speaker 2: had to do an audition, and I opened the door

833
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:50,400
Speaker 2: and there's Dick Cavit.

834
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:51,719
Speaker 3: Oh Amo. Guy.

835
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:54,879
Speaker 2: He's so durable and he's almost like what ninety years

836
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:56,920
Speaker 2: old now and he's still just incredible.

837
00:44:57,440 --> 00:44:59,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's going to I think he's probably eighty nine,

838
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:04,400
Speaker 3: and I mean so full of life. And you get

839
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:10,000
Speaker 3: why Muhammad Ali, Groucho Marx, John Lennon, why these people

840
00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:13,560
Speaker 3: revered him. They were He makes you feel like like

841
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:15,920
Speaker 3: you're in his like you're a family member sitting in

842
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:19,480
Speaker 3: his living room. Like no, you know, he has no

843
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:22,799
Speaker 3: heirs of and he's hilarious and he's a rascal and

844
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:26,240
Speaker 3: he's he has a cutting sense of humor. But he's

845
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:29,360
Speaker 3: like he's like your your your your uncle or you know,

846
00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:32,320
Speaker 3: your your favorite uncle. You know. He makes you feel

847
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:35,120
Speaker 3: like you know you're supposed to be there with him,

848
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:37,120
Speaker 3: and he makes you feel like a family member, you know.

849
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:40,320
Speaker 3: So it's I can see why Muhammad Ali would whenever

850
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:42,879
Speaker 3: he was off, he would go stay at Dick's house

851
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:46,200
Speaker 3: in Montauk to get away from everything because he felt safe,

852
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:46,879
Speaker 3: you know. Yeah.

853
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:49,560
Speaker 2: Well, well, when someone like that invites you into their home,

854
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:52,120
Speaker 2: I mean that's a pretty special thing and a pretty

855
00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:53,040
Speaker 2: special person to.

856
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:55,920
Speaker 1: Even do that. Yeah, in this in this world.

857
00:45:56,520 --> 00:46:00,600
Speaker 2: Speaking of special, So you're working on an incredible documentary

858
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:04,040
Speaker 2: film that I cannot wait to see. It's called The

859
00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:08,160
Speaker 2: Sounds of Valor. Yes, and so keep an eye out

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Speaker 2: for that. I'm sure it's going to be where somewhere, Hulu, Netflix, somewhere,

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Speaker 2: It'll be on a screen near you soon. But what

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Speaker 2: else do you does Mark Ribbler have coming up that

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Speaker 2: we can look out for.

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Speaker 3: Well, I this will be the fourth year we're doing

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Speaker 3: the American Music Honors, which is it's part of the

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Speaker 3: Bruce Springsteen Archives. So I'm the music director and I've

867
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Speaker 3: been using the Disciples of Soul the last four years

868
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Speaker 3: for these shows. So each year at Mammoth University, we

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Speaker 3: honor the legends, you know, for lack of a better word,

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Speaker 3: the people that got us here. It's last year was

871
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Speaker 3: Emmy Lou Harris, Tom Morello, Smokey Robinson, John Fogerty. So

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Speaker 3: it's like it's like our idols, you know. It's like

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Speaker 3: I like, it's my record collection every year. This year

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Speaker 3: it's Dion War Doctor Dre the two remaining Doors, Robbi

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Speaker 3: Krieger and John Densmore the band so Amy Helm. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: so honoring the band. You know, We've we've done Jackson Brown,

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Speaker 3: We've done John Mellencamp. So each year I spend like

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Speaker 3: two months preparing all of the music for the you know,

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Speaker 3: for the show. And and that'll be that's April eighteenth

880
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:29,440
Speaker 3: at Mammoth University at the Pollack Theater. And then in

881
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Speaker 3: June we're doing it's it's called something like Concert for America.

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Speaker 3: It's the music I forget the exact title, but it's

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Speaker 3: the music that got us here. And that's that'll be

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Speaker 3: two days at the the MAC, which is the arena

885
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Speaker 3: at Mammoth University, and that'll be who's who of artists.

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Speaker 3: They they none of the names have been released yet,

887
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Speaker 3: but it's it's one night. It'll be like more like traditional,

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Speaker 3: but it's like the history from blue the blues through

889
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Speaker 3: you know, rhythm and blues, jazz, country, R and B.

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Speaker 3: It'll be all these artists, two days of like a

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Speaker 3: music festival at a month university honoring all these musicians.

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Speaker 3: So we got that coming up, So there's a lot

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Speaker 3: of preparation going on right now for these shows.

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Speaker 2: Those things take a long time because you've got a

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Speaker 2: lot of people and a lot of bands, and I mean,

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Speaker 2: there's so much going on with that. Plus, of course,

897
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:26,359
Speaker 2: anytime you turn on Little Steven's Underground Garage, you're going

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Speaker 2: to hear a song by Mark Ribbler and a lot

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Speaker 2: of other great music as well.

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Speaker 1: So I just love you. I don't want to let

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Speaker 1: you go, but I know you're a busy guy.

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Speaker 2: So I really appreciate the time, and I appreciate you,

903
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:43,120
Speaker 2: and I love you, and I thank you for sharing

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Speaker 2: a bit of yourself and your story and hopefully it's

905
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:51,200
Speaker 2: inspired someone or help somebody. And if that's the case,

906
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Speaker 2: then we've done our job today.

907
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Speaker 3: Yeah, And I hope, so, you know, and I love

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00:48:57,840 --> 00:49:00,760
Speaker 3: you dearly, And I'm so happy with this excess of

909
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Speaker 3: your podcast. I mean, it's so deserved, and you know,

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Speaker 3: you're yeah, you, yeah, you deserve all the great things

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Speaker 3: that are happening. And I'm so glad we could share

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Speaker 3: it today And I'll come back anytime. You know that.

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Speaker 2: Please do, please do? Are you kidding me? We have

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Speaker 2: a lot more to do still, Plus we're working on

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Speaker 2: that documentary.

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Speaker 3: That's right.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes these things, these things take well.

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Speaker 2: I have friend working on a show for thirteen years

919
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Speaker 2: and finally made it to television, So I have faith.

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Speaker 3: I know we both know that these things, everything takes time.

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Speaker 3: And if you're impatient and you're in the music business

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Speaker 3: or the entertainment business, you will be taught patience.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, among other things exactly we don't have to

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Speaker 1: talk about.

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Speaker 2: Thank you Mark Ribbler for coming on Music Save Me,

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Speaker 2: and we'll talk to you again very soon.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, this has been great. Thank you so much.

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Speaker 5: I'm buzz Night and thanks for listening to Lynn Hoffman

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Speaker 5: and the Music Save Me podcast produced by Buzznight Media Productions.

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Speaker 5: Please check out are other shows, Taken a Walk Nashville

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Speaker 5: and Taken a Walk hosted by Yours Truly. All shows

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