Speaker 1: Baby, whatever, I ain't got no job, man, What do
Speaker 1: you mean you're got no job? I'm working with Tobby.
Speaker 2: Well, I will say, on the bright side of things,
Speaker 2: I am happy to have you home and be more
Speaker 2: prepared for a situation like this this time around. Hey,
Speaker 2: I'm Kadeen and I'm Devout and we're the Ellis's.
Speaker 3: You may know us from posting funny videos with.
Speaker 2: Our boys and reading each other publicly as a form
Speaker 2: of therapy.
Speaker 3: Wait, I make you need therapy most days. Wow.
Speaker 2: Oh, and one more important thing to mention, we're married.
Speaker 3: Yes, sir, we are.
Speaker 1: We created this podcast to open dialogue about some of
Speaker 1: li's most taboo topics.
Speaker 2: Things most folks don't want to talk about.
Speaker 1: Through the lens of a millennial married couple. Dead ass
Speaker 1: is a term that we say every day. So when
Speaker 1: we say dead app that's we're actually saying facts one
Speaker 1: hundred the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.
Speaker 3: Were about to take Bilos off to our whole new level.
Speaker 2: Dead ass starts right now.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take y'all back all the way back to
Speaker 1: May May.
Speaker 2: I always laugh when you say all the way back,
Speaker 2: because it could be like yesterday it could be May,
Speaker 2: or it could be like two thousand and two.
Speaker 3: Yo.
Speaker 1: So no matter of fact, I'm gonna take y'all even
Speaker 1: further back than May.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna take you back to April. April. I'm in Canada, Toronto.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're filming, filming a movie that I can't disclose
Speaker 1: yet because we're on strike. And also when I can't
Speaker 1: disclose it, I'm gonna be excited to tell you about.
Speaker 1: But we're filming, and I hear from Tyler Perry Studios
Speaker 1: that the scripts for season seven Sisters are starting to
Speaker 1: come out. And when we get the scripts, we're looking
Speaker 1: through the scripts and we noticed that there are some changes,
Speaker 1: and there are some characters who are no longer here
Speaker 1: in the script, no longer script or any story right,
Speaker 1: And we're starting to like wonder, like what's going on.
Speaker 1: And we found out that TP is no longer writing
Speaker 1: the scripts for Sisters, and he's hired the writer's room.
Speaker 1: So the writers took liberties to write their own stories
Speaker 1: for certain characters, introduce new characters, and dismiss certain characters.
Speaker 1: So the characters that have been on the show that
Speaker 1: are no longer going to be on the show found
Speaker 1: out via a phone call.
Speaker 3: Approximately three weeks before we were supposed to start filming
Speaker 3: in May. So we're planning to go back to film
Speaker 3: and then you find out that you're not going to
Speaker 3: be on the show, right, And it was heartbreaking for
Speaker 3: us because there's a camaraderie, right. I remember being cut
Speaker 3: in the NFL and you get that phone call they
Speaker 3: asked you to come bring your playbook and you get cut,
Speaker 3: and then like the team just continues to go on,
Speaker 3: Like you go back home, you with your family, You
Speaker 3: don't see your teammates no more. Your teammates walk in
Speaker 3: the door one day and they're like, yo, where's Ellis
Speaker 3: And they're like, yo, Ellis got cut. Yeah, and it's
Speaker 3: kind of like it's very similar. So I remember that fit.
Speaker 1: I remembered that feeling and having to deal with that
Speaker 1: with some of my cast mates, and it kind of
Speaker 1: hurt because it brought me back and I felt sorry
Speaker 1: for them because three weeks you're planning on getting these
Speaker 1: next group of checks so that you can plan out
Speaker 1: the rest of your year because as an actor, there's
Speaker 1: no guarantee that you book. You know, sometimes you have
Speaker 1: good years, sometimes you have bad years. And in bad years.
Speaker 1: You know, you're constantly auditioning, but you may just not
Speaker 1: have a project that fits you, so you don't make
Speaker 1: that additional money. And I remember saying like, man like,
Speaker 1: I'm proud of myself and I'm proud of us that
Speaker 1: we prepare a table for our family to eat if
Speaker 1: I don't book anything or if I ever get cut
Speaker 1: from a project. And then literally after doing season seven,
Speaker 1: we hear about the writers' strike and they were saying, oh,
Speaker 1: the writers will be on strike, but we're supposed to
Speaker 1: go back and shoot Satima in August. And now we're
Speaker 1: in June and July and we hear the SAG strike
Speaker 1: is happening, and then I get that phone call that
Speaker 1: we won't be returning in August, and I was like wow.
Speaker 1: I was just saying to Kadeen, at least we know
Speaker 1: what we have to do if this ever happens to us.
Speaker 1: And now we're literally here and it's happening to us.
Speaker 1: Very simple for karaoke today, I'm gonna take you back
Speaker 1: to a time when we were rapping about things that matter, like.
Speaker 3: The power, fight the power that be. Let's say, fight
Speaker 3: the power, fight the power that be.
Speaker 1: Right now, power is the AMPTP, and that was all
Speaker 1: the collection of studios that the actors are fighting against
Speaker 1: to get fair wages, fight against AI and also health insurance,
Speaker 1: which is.
Speaker 3: A big deal.
Speaker 2: Listen, it's a lot of layers to this whole thing here,
Speaker 2: and I think it's worth us kind of chatting about it.
Speaker 2: We're going to talk about what the Screen Actors Guild
Speaker 2: AFTRA is and why they're striking.
Speaker 1: And ultimately the importance of knowing your labor union and
Speaker 1: understanding what your role can be in any of this,
Speaker 1: because it may not be a sad strike for you.
Speaker 3: You could be a teacher.
Speaker 1: The teacher's been talking about going on strikes ups work
Speaker 1: has just went on strike. Amazon workers on strikes at
Speaker 1: one point, and I feel like it's important for people
Speaker 1: to understand why strikes happen, why labor unions exist, but
Speaker 1: how you can protect your family in times where you
Speaker 1: may have to strike and not work.
Speaker 2: For sure, and then how we've been able to find
Speaker 2: a silver lining around all that. So stay tuned. We're
Speaker 2: going to pay some bills with whatever money to Veil
Speaker 2: got in his bank account now and we'll be back,
Speaker 2: all right, So we're back. So if you've tried to
Speaker 2: tune into your favorite daily shows like The View or
Speaker 2: the Today Show, only to be surprised by a repeat
Speaker 2: episode from a few months ago. That's because Hollywood's performers
Speaker 2: and writers are now on strike, y'all. And if you
Speaker 2: are not in the entertainment industry, you may not know
Speaker 2: a lot about WGA or sag Afstra unions. But if
Speaker 2: you're familiar with having a eight hour work day, then
Speaker 2: you are familiar with the work of unions. Okay, so
Speaker 2: we're going to unpack that for you today. We have
Speaker 2: some facts and stats, and then we'll be chit chatting
Speaker 2: in between it just to kind of break some things
Speaker 2: down and develop being as though you are a member
Speaker 2: of sag Astra and Astra and keep saying tongue ti Afstra.
Speaker 2: Since you are a member, you will be able to
Speaker 2: also break down what that looks like for you from
Speaker 2: an actors dam point. But let's start with the basics
Speaker 2: here in case people don't know what a labor union is.
Speaker 3: Right, Well, before we even start about that.
Speaker 2: You want to go back to the story.
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's just unpack the story, right, and how there's
Speaker 3: success to that.
Speaker 2: Let's do that.
Speaker 1: The reason why strikes affect people, especially actors. And I
Speaker 1: don't want to make it about actors only, sure, but
Speaker 1: I just want to clarify some things, and even even
Speaker 1: the NBA, because I was a part of the NFLPA. Yes,
Speaker 1: when I played in the NFL, which is the players Association,
Speaker 1: which is our labor union against the league, and the
Speaker 1: NBA also has their own players union. Right, when you
Speaker 1: watch people on TV, everyone assumes the minute that you
Speaker 1: make on TV, the minute you make it on TV,
Speaker 1: you've made it.
Speaker 3: Right, So whether it's a commercial or whether it's it's.
Speaker 1: A one liner or you have one word you're a
Speaker 1: co star on the show, people think, oh, you made it,
Speaker 1: you made millions of dollars.
Speaker 3: That is absolutely wrong.
Speaker 2: Much like when you were signed to the NFL. Yes,
Speaker 2: oh millionaire, multimillionaire.
Speaker 3: That's what people thought.
Speaker 2: No the hell he was. I was there. I've seen
Speaker 2: the checks. The checks wasn't checking it.
Speaker 3: Well, no, no, they wasn't checking. It wasn't checking.
Speaker 1: We were grateful, We were extremely extremely grateful, grateful. What
Speaker 1: people need to understand even about performers or even if
Speaker 1: you if you work.
Speaker 3: As an actor now not as an actor, if you
Speaker 3: work as an athlete.
Speaker 1: Right, I'll give you. I'll give you some stats real quick. Right,
Speaker 1: Duncan Crabtree Island. The sag After National Executive Director reports
Speaker 1: actors make made a median salary of forty six thousand
Speaker 1: dollars in twenty twenty one, a median salary, So most
Speaker 1: actors that you see make a median salary of forty
Speaker 1: six thousand dollars, with the lower quartile averaging thirty thousand dollars.
Speaker 1: Those studios make over twelve billion dollars a year. However,
Speaker 1: actors must make a minimum of around twenty six thousand
Speaker 1: a year to qualify for healthcare benefits.
Speaker 2: We've been there.
Speaker 1: According to We've Been There Sean Sharman, actor and sag
Speaker 1: After board member, just twelve point seven percent of sag
Speaker 1: After members qualify for the union's health plan, which means
Speaker 1: most of the people you watch on television still have
Speaker 1: to have another job, right, still have to carry some form.
Speaker 3: Of health insurance.
Speaker 1: So if they're only acting and they're only making around
Speaker 1: forty six forty seven thousand a year, if they're paying
Speaker 1: their own health insurance out of pocket, because they don't
Speaker 1: qualify for sag Extra, because that median doesn't mean that
Speaker 1: you only make that money acting right, like you could
Speaker 1: have done some non union work to still make up
Speaker 1: that money. But the truth of the matter is only
Speaker 1: twelve percent of actors have health insurance.
Speaker 2: Do you remember when we were literally looking at the
Speaker 2: mail every single day, yes, knowing that we needed an
Speaker 2: additional I think it was like thirty five. It was
Speaker 2: like an exact number, thirty five ninety two, was it
Speaker 2: or so it was something like that. It was like
Speaker 2: down to a dollar that we needed to qualify for
Speaker 2: health insurancement. At this point, we had Jackson. I was
Speaker 2: trying to go back to freelancing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we had just had jack.
Speaker 2: Yes, I was trying to go back to freelancing so
Speaker 2: that I would have more flexibility with my schedules to
Speaker 2: spend more time with you and Jackson, to kind of
Speaker 2: make my own business flourish. But I was holding onto
Speaker 2: my job in retail because I'm like, I needed this
Speaker 2: health insurance for the family. And Deval made me a promise.
Speaker 2: Deval said, could he even promise you? He said, as
Speaker 2: soon as I get enough money in from these commercials
Speaker 2: and my residuals, you will be able to cut back
Speaker 2: a little bit to start your own makeup business and
Speaker 2: have flexibility to be home with us. And I mean
Speaker 2: literally every day checking the mail and counting the dollars
Speaker 2: and adding everything up, but also the uncertainty of not
Speaker 2: knowing when that would even happen, and getting that check
Speaker 2: almost down to the dollar amount just to qualify for
Speaker 2: health insurance, and then having to maintain that so you
Speaker 2: can get it for a.
Speaker 3: Quarter, get a full quarter, but if you don't maintain, if.
Speaker 2: You don't maintain it, it's like what happens. Then?
Speaker 3: Well, here's the crazy part is that I.
Speaker 1: Was one of those actors before I became a series
Speaker 1: right now, I was doing commercials, living off of residuals.
Speaker 1: But I also owned the gym on the nonprofit organization
Speaker 1: mentoring young men and women. I was also a substitute teacher,
Speaker 1: Like there were so many things you helped supplement our
Speaker 1: income while working freelance as a makeup artist, Like we
Speaker 1: had multiple jobs while I was pursuing my acting career.
Speaker 1: And I remember, and the reason why I wanted to
Speaker 1: talk about this before we get into all the details
Speaker 1: of the strike, but I remember when I got cut
Speaker 1: by the NFL, and at that time, that was our
Speaker 1: only source of revenue got cut in two thousand and eight.
Speaker 1: That's when the economic crisis happened and I ended up
Speaker 1: having to go back to the University of Michigan to
Speaker 1: work as a learning coordinator, And that's how you started
Speaker 1: working at MAC that fall. And I remember saying to myself,
Speaker 1: never again in my life will I allow one source
Speaker 1: of income to be my sole source of revenue from
Speaker 1: my entire family, because if that revenue was stopped for
Speaker 1: whatever reason, then we're.
Speaker 2: Fucked, particularly in a field like for example, professional sports, right,
Speaker 2: or you know, the entertainment industry, where so much of
Speaker 2: your livelihood is dependent on someone else's decision.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: You know, somebody wakes up on the wrong side of
Speaker 2: the bed in the morning and decides, you know what,
Speaker 2: I'm going to go with this person instead of that person,
Speaker 2: or oh, we have this role and you know this
Speaker 2: person looks good, but ah, he doesn't look as good
Speaker 2: with this person, so we can't match them. Like that
Speaker 2: was I think the biggest thing, knowing the fields that
Speaker 2: you were into, it was that much harder to maintain
Speaker 2: a job.
Speaker 1: What I'm going to say now, I want people to
Speaker 1: really listen to right, because what I'm going to say
Speaker 1: is going to sound disheartening for some, but it is.
Speaker 3: It is an absolute fact, and it is the truth.
Speaker 1: To be accepted or to get an opportunity in any field,
Speaker 1: whether it's TV, film, whether it's being an athlete, whether
Speaker 1: it's being a CEO of Fortune five hundred company, whether
Speaker 1: it's being an executive at a tech firm, right, requires
Speaker 1: more than.
Speaker 3: Just your ability to do the job.
Speaker 1: Like the world is overpopulated, there are tons of people
Speaker 1: that can do the same job you can do, but
Speaker 1: what is required to get that opportunity is relationships. And
Speaker 1: I feel like a lot of people miss out on
Speaker 1: opportunities because they refuse to build and maintain relationships that
Speaker 1: can give them opportunities.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: So, I feel like I was able to reach this
Speaker 1: level because I understood the value of relationships early on
Speaker 1: from playing.
Speaker 3: Oh no, no, no, absolutely, I won't.
Speaker 1: I won't discredit someone who works hard, right, But but
Speaker 1: my thing is just working hard and being good at
Speaker 1: the job is not enough. That number the old saying
Speaker 1: it's not what you know, what's who you know. That's
Speaker 1: not even the same. It's not who you know, it's
Speaker 1: who knows you and who.
Speaker 2: Likes you, just wants to be around you.
Speaker 3: Thank you.
Speaker 2: Who wants to work with you?
Speaker 3: Thank you. That's what I wanted to get to bab. Yes,
Speaker 3: that's imagine.
Speaker 1: You have to work, whether it's on a team and
Speaker 1: you got to spend fourteen hours and travel with them,
Speaker 1: or you're on a set and it's eighteen hours and
Speaker 1: you may have to travel with them, or you're working
Speaker 1: in sales, or you're working as a Fortune five hundred company.
Speaker 1: You have to be with these people more often than
Speaker 1: you have to be with your family.
Speaker 3: People don't want to work with people they don't like.
Speaker 2: That's a fact. Or it's hard to work with you
Speaker 2: know what.
Speaker 1: I'm saying for sure, So a lot of it ends
Speaker 1: up being CLICKI right. Yes, Hollywood is CLICKI yes, the
Speaker 1: basketball is CLICKI yes.
Speaker 3: Working in the financial district, it's clickie.
Speaker 1: Why do people hire so many of their friends in
Speaker 1: the fund Why is nepotism such a big deal in
Speaker 1: every industry?
Speaker 3: Because people like to work with people they like.
Speaker 2: It's a classic case of I know a guy, yes,
Speaker 2: or I know a girl, or I know somebody who
Speaker 2: man not only is he a beast at his job
Speaker 2: or is she a beast at her job. This person
Speaker 2: is just cool to be cool to be around a breeze, right, yep.
Speaker 1: The reason why I wanted to put that out there
Speaker 1: first is because what I'm gonna say next is gonna
Speaker 1: bother people.
Speaker 3: Right, Okay, how many blockbuster movies.
Speaker 1: Come out every summer? We'll say, let's say that's eight
Speaker 1: weeks in the summer. Eight weeks in the summer. Right,
Speaker 1: let's just say that's eight blockbuster movies a week. A
Speaker 1: blockbuster movie comes out every week. Right, That's not the case,
Speaker 1: but let's just say that's the case. You got eight
Speaker 1: blockbuster movies. Do you know how many people want to
Speaker 1: be the lead actor in those movies?
Speaker 2: Yeallions of people.
Speaker 1: And of those millions of people, those people are constantly
Speaker 1: working and working and working on their craft, taking acting lections,
Speaker 1: going to conservatory, going to all of these schools to
Speaker 1: learn about being the best performer they can be. They're
Speaker 1: only gonna pick eight, and of those eight, typically they
Speaker 1: go with people who've already had a certain level of
Speaker 1: success or.
Speaker 3: They know or experience.
Speaker 1: So you have millions of people fighting for those eight positions.
Speaker 1: Same way in the NBA, same way, if you're going
Speaker 1: to be a CEO of Fortune five hundred company.
Speaker 3: It's no different.
Speaker 1: It's a very limited space, but there's millions of people
Speaker 1: fighting for those jobs. Those people who are constantly working
Speaker 1: and fighting are the working class actor.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm.
Speaker 1: Saying that who you see in those eight blockbuster movies
Speaker 1: is not the working class actor. When you look at
Speaker 1: a Tom Cruise, a Will Smith, a Tom Hanks, a
Speaker 1: Wesley Snipes, a Denzel those are actors who've worked their
Speaker 1: way through the ranks, who were able to become the
Speaker 1: top one percent. Same thing as you look at the
Speaker 1: Steph Curry and Lebron James. But those are not the
Speaker 1: working class people who the unions have to protect. And
Speaker 1: the reason why I'm saying this is because when people
Speaker 1: hear these stories about actors who may have lost their
Speaker 1: homes or mayor have to go to food banks, or
Speaker 1: for example, the young man who played Elvin on The
Speaker 1: Cosby Show, who he was working at Traded Joe and
Speaker 1: people saw him and was taking videos and it was
Speaker 1: just like, Yo, this is Elvin, how is he working?
Speaker 1: Like guys, everybody is not going to make millions of
Speaker 1: dollars in television.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's kind of kind of rude and disrespectful
Speaker 2: for people to insinuate that just because somebody is in
Speaker 2: a position where they are now having to return to
Speaker 2: an everyday job or a nine to five, because it
Speaker 2: may have been on TV years ago, thinking that they
Speaker 2: were frivolous with their money or that they were just
Speaker 2: being you know, like thinking the money was going to
Speaker 2: keep coming, and that's not the case.
Speaker 3: Sometimes it's not the case.
Speaker 1: Sometimes what happens is you get an opportunity, you work
Speaker 1: on the show.
Speaker 3: I'll give you an example.
Speaker 1: You work on a pilot, pilot gets picked up, picked up, Ye,
Speaker 1: pilot is picked up.
Speaker 3: Yo, pilot gets picked up.
Speaker 1: When you first signed on to do a pilot, you
Speaker 1: sign a contract in case that pilot gets picked up.
Speaker 1: Say that pilot gets picked Say say for example, it's
Speaker 1: for a cable network. Right, the base the base for
Speaker 1: that pilot is you'll make twenty five thousand per episode.
Speaker 1: How many episodes in a cable show? Oh, we know what,
Speaker 1: we'll We'll buy six episodes. Remember the first season of
Speaker 1: Power was only six episodes. So you make twenty five
Speaker 1: thousand an episode for six episodes. I put you at
Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty k Okay, So now you see
Speaker 1: an actor on the show that you really really like
Speaker 1: on this cable network and you like, Yo, that was fire.
Speaker 3: I love this. This guy's killing it right now? Right?
Speaker 1: What happens after season one ratings weren't that good? And
Speaker 1: you know what happens, The show gets canceled it.
Speaker 2: We've seen a lot of shows like that, some that
Speaker 2: I were pretty good shows, absolutely, and I was just like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, I can't believe that got canceled.
Speaker 1: And I'm gonna explain to you why a lot of
Speaker 1: those shows get canceled. You get one hundred and fifty
Speaker 1: thousand dollars. Other than one hundred and fifty thousand dollars,
Speaker 1: you automatically have to pay ten percent to who your manager,
Speaker 1: if you have an manager, and if you have an agent.
Speaker 3: So that's fifteen k there, fifteen k there.
Speaker 2: Right, because manager and agent are two seven different.
Speaker 3: Things, two different things.
Speaker 1: So now you pay ten percent to your manager, ten
Speaker 1: percent to your agent. That's thirty thousand dollars going of
Speaker 1: your one fifty. So now you're down to one twenty.
Speaker 1: Oh shit, you know what, you gotta pay taxes? Right,
Speaker 1: say you're smart enough to open to start an LLC
Speaker 1: and have an escort and have a loan ow company.
Speaker 2: You should.
Speaker 1: Now you'll pay tax on one hundred and twenty k,
Speaker 1: not the one fifty. But of that one hundred and
Speaker 1: twenty K, you're probably gonna pay because that's in the
Speaker 1: top I think that's in the top seventy five percent earner. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because if you make one hundred and twenty k you make,
Speaker 1: you make a sufficient amount of money in America, they're
Speaker 1: going to tax you that high rate of forty percent.
Speaker 1: It so forty percent of that one twenty is forty
Speaker 1: eight thousand dollars. So subtract that one twenty, that forty eight.
Speaker 1: Now you left with seventy two thousand dollars. Seventy two
Speaker 1: thousand dollars you you might have just like yo, I'm
Speaker 1: on to show. Let me hire a stylist for this,
Speaker 1: let me do this for that, let me buy this
Speaker 1: for that. Market yourself. You're trying to build things. You
Speaker 1: hire a PR firm to promote the show. Three PR
Speaker 1: firms if you're low end PR firm three thousand a month.
Speaker 2: I was about to say that PR build through me
Speaker 2: for a loop.
Speaker 3: You see what I'm saying. So where were we at
Speaker 3: seventy eight K?
Speaker 1: Yeah, so let's go we going to three a three
Speaker 1: month tour runt on the show. That's three this nine thousand.
Speaker 1: So now you're a sixty nine K. You bought some
Speaker 1: clothes and stuff to do these red carpets, say about
Speaker 1: a ten K?
Speaker 3: Ten K?
Speaker 1: Because now I want to take an investment. It's an investment.
Speaker 1: I have to look at this.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So you take care to that sixty eight Now it
Speaker 1: was down to fifty eight thousand dollars. Right, Wait a minute,
Speaker 1: I still have to survive the rest of the year,
Speaker 1: so let me save the rest of that. You don't
Speaker 1: go on a trip. I'm not even going to say
Speaker 1: you went on.
Speaker 2: A trip or you left with after everything.
Speaker 3: Fifty eight thousand dollars.
Speaker 2: So if you were to divide that by, say, let
Speaker 2: me pay my rent, okay, whatever your rent is for
Speaker 2: twelve months.
Speaker 3: Say you live in New York. Say you live in
Speaker 3: New York.
Speaker 1: Our apartment now in New York goes for over four
Speaker 1: thousand dollars more. But no, everybody doesn't need a three bedroom.
Speaker 1: So let's say you live by yourself. You got a
Speaker 1: one bedroom in New York. It's twenty five hundred, twenty
Speaker 1: five hundred a month times twelve puts you at.
Speaker 3: Thirty thousand a year. Thirty thousand a year.
Speaker 1: We had fifty eight left, thirty eight, so you have
Speaker 1: twenty eight thousand dollars left for the year. You like,
Speaker 1: I'm good, right, I'm good. But now your show got canceled.
Speaker 1: And now the following year you're trying to get onto
Speaker 1: another show, and you don't get onto that show. But
Speaker 1: you had twenty eight thousand dollars left, and you still
Speaker 1: have to survive the next year because you auditioned. You auditioned,
Speaker 1: and you didn't get picked up as another series regular. Yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe you did some guest star work. Guest star work
Speaker 1: means you work two, maybe three episodes on the show,
Speaker 1: But if you get top billing as a guest star,
Speaker 1: you may get nine thousand per episode, and there's no
Speaker 1: guarantee you get more than two or three episodes.
Speaker 2: Remember, we had a friend who was on the show,
Speaker 2: and turns out his character recurred a couple I think,
Speaker 2: I don't know he was co star guest star, but
Speaker 2: they made it so that, however many times he recurred
Speaker 2: in the show, he had to come out to film
Speaker 2: in Atlanta.
Speaker 1: So this is what happened, and they're fighting against this, right,
Speaker 1: I'm glad you I know you're talking about.
Speaker 2: I don't want to out them, of course not, but
Speaker 2: just the situation of somebody that got a job and
Speaker 2: then had to stay with us to try to save
Speaker 2: money because he couldn't even afford a hotel room to stay.
Speaker 1: So this is how this is how hard actors are
Speaker 1: working to just get opportunities. He was booked as a
Speaker 1: recurring character. Right now, They didn't say a recurring guest star.
Speaker 3: Just for people to.
Speaker 1: Know, a guest star is someone who's a recurring guest star.
Speaker 1: Guest star is someone who's going to be throughout the episodes,
Speaker 1: maybe in about three or four scenes. Right, if you're
Speaker 1: a co star, you're in one scene, right, maybe two,
Speaker 1: and the second one ain't gonna have no lines.
Speaker 3: You just be there, right.
Speaker 1: They billed it as a recurring character, but they didn't
Speaker 1: say a recurring guest star. So they build it as
Speaker 1: a recurring You go when the audition, they say they
Speaker 1: want local talent only. But you already know this if
Speaker 1: you live in la and you know somebody who lives
Speaker 1: in New York or Atlanta. Yo, can I borrow your
Speaker 1: address so that I can use so I can just
Speaker 1: get some work. I want to get some work. I
Speaker 1: just want to get some credits so I can start
Speaker 1: to build my resume.
Speaker 2: Right, which is allowed. You're allowed to say that you're
Speaker 2: willing to work as a local hire. So if I
Speaker 2: get an audition for something that films in LA and
Speaker 2: I really want to go for this, I live in Atlanta,
Speaker 2: but I'll say I'm willing will as.
Speaker 3: A local hier.
Speaker 1: So what they'll tell you is bet you get booked
Speaker 1: for the role. You find out that the role is
Speaker 1: a recurring co star, not a recurring guest star, which
Speaker 1: means you get the SAG minimum for a day player,
Speaker 1: which is nine hundred dollars for the day. You're only
Speaker 1: in that episode one day, but you have to be
Speaker 1: in Atlanta for at least a week and a half
Speaker 1: to go to pre prep, go through all your fittings,
Speaker 1: go to a rehearsal, and then shoot. So now you
Speaker 1: have to pay for your own hotel or you have
Speaker 1: to pay for your own flight to get there because
Speaker 1: you're supposed to be what a local hire. You just
Speaker 1: got paid nine hundred dollars to do this episode, but
Speaker 1: you had to pay for your hotel.
Speaker 3: I mean you had to pay for your air flare
Speaker 3: there and back.
Speaker 1: If your person gives you a place to stay cool,
Speaker 1: you don't got to worry about hotel. But now you
Speaker 1: got to eat for seven to ten days. So it
Speaker 1: cost you more money to get this role than it
Speaker 1: did for you to actually do the role. Like you
Speaker 1: had to pay money to be on television.
Speaker 2: There was no opportunity really other than just the opportunity.
Speaker 1: But people watch you on this show every week because
Speaker 1: you're a current co star and you have one scene
Speaker 1: with one line.
Speaker 2: So they think, oh, you're making money bro yep.
Speaker 3: But you not.
Speaker 1: And there's a lot there are a lot of actors
Speaker 1: living that life and not for nothing. Kadeen and I
Speaker 1: were living that life from two thousand and fourteen, which
Speaker 1: is my thirtieth the year of my thirtieth birthday. That's
Speaker 1: when I officially said to Kadeen. I said, Yo, I
Speaker 1: am going to duplicate myself and I want to talk
Speaker 1: a little bit about this. I'm going to duplicate myself
Speaker 1: at the gym and teach people how to do my
Speaker 1: job at the gym so that I can go on
Speaker 1: more auditions, so I can fully invest in being an
Speaker 1: actor full time. And that's what I did. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I worked with Dolo Todolo. This is
Speaker 1: how I worked with the kids. I hired Rick, I
Speaker 1: hired Kamal. I ended up moving the gym from Aviator
Speaker 1: to pack Plex, and I said, there's going to be
Speaker 1: a fully fledged, full service gym. I'm just not going
Speaker 1: to be the one doing all the service things so
Speaker 1: that I can go do my auditions.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 1: Right from twenty fourteen to twenty and eighteen, I did
Speaker 1: guest star work, I did commercials, and I did co
Speaker 1: star work, but most of my money came from me
Speaker 1: owning the gym. It didn't come from me being an actor.
Speaker 1: So it was about four years that I was going
Speaker 1: hard and I was making some money the commercials, really
Speaker 1: good residual money, really really good residual money. And it
Speaker 1: was a good balance because there were times when things
Speaker 1: weren't going so great at the gym gym and I
Speaker 1: had that act that we like you remember.
Speaker 2: My seasons were new. But one thing I loved about you,
Speaker 2: and this is something you taught me. Just about being
Speaker 2: fiscally responsible is knowing when you get certain lump sums
Speaker 2: of money how to disperse it. You know, and get
Speaker 2: excited about the lump sums that come in and think
Speaker 2: that we can have a field day with it, because
Speaker 2: there are those dry seasons, especially when you're an entrepreneur.
Speaker 1: So Kadeen and I, well, I made a promise to
Speaker 1: Kadeena at once she was able to cut back freelance,
Speaker 1: she would never have to go back to work full time.
Speaker 1: That was my promise to her because as my wife,
Speaker 1: I felt like she's dedicating herself and her body to
Speaker 1: give us children. I have to be able to dedicate
Speaker 1: something to her so that she can feel safe in
Speaker 1: this space being able to cut back. Because imagine, just
Speaker 1: imagine your career is based on you being physically able
Speaker 1: to do it. Kadeen works in front of the camera, right,
Speaker 1: but every time you get physically able to go and
Speaker 1: do it, you get pregnant again.
Speaker 3: Because we want to have more kid again and again.
Speaker 1: And the only person that you can rely on to
Speaker 1: make sure that you didn't care them is the father
Speaker 1: of your children. A person who was asking you to
Speaker 1: have more children, and that person is not holding up
Speaker 1: their end of the bargain to make sure you're okay.
Speaker 1: That can become stressful, sure for a woman, and I
Speaker 1: just felt like it was my responsibility to do that.
Speaker 2: And I appreciate that so much about you.
Speaker 1: So when we were making a lot of money, when
Speaker 1: the gym was hitting and TV was hitting at the
Speaker 1: same time, and my nonprofit organization was hitting, and I
Speaker 1: was able to just make, you know, lump sums of money,
Speaker 1: I always told myself, I'm going to put money away
Speaker 1: in groups of threes.
Speaker 3: So if I made a.
Speaker 1: Lump sum of money, all of our bills for the
Speaker 1: next three months are going to be put to the
Speaker 1: side first. So for example, our rent at the time
Speaker 1: of the apartment was two thousand a month.
Speaker 3: We had one car.
Speaker 1: I would say the total car payments for everything was
Speaker 1: about fifteen hundred dollars a month.
Speaker 3: That's thirty five hundred.
Speaker 1: The bills for the gym at the time were five
Speaker 1: thousand dollars a month plus the employees employee salary, so
Speaker 1: we're looking at eighty five hundred plus the employee salaries.
Speaker 1: In additional twenty five hundred months, it was about twelve thousand
Speaker 1: dollars a month. Every time I got a lump summer money,
Speaker 1: I would take like a thirty six K. I was
Speaker 1: just put it in the bank. And then if I
Speaker 1: got another lump sum I was just putting it in
Speaker 1: the bank. And before we knew it, we had a
Speaker 1: truckload of money. But it was already accounted for. It
Speaker 1: wasn't money that Kadeen and I could blows. It was
Speaker 1: money so that it was like, yo, if we ever
Speaker 1: get in a time where I'm not booking and the
Speaker 1: gym is off, we at least got six months.
Speaker 3: I remember you said.
Speaker 2: Everything cover Like literally, I was like, yok, if we
Speaker 2: don't make another dime after today, we're good for six months. Yes,
Speaker 2: and that give it. That gave us some relief, yes, yes,
Speaker 2: but it also was like, you know, there's a time
Speaker 2: on that. So I ken pushing.
Speaker 1: There's a reason why we did that, and we're going
Speaker 1: to do a full podcast. The podcast is going to
Speaker 1: be called how bad was it when we learned our lesson?
Speaker 1: Because we had ran out of capitol and we had
Speaker 1: did some things to actually get some capital, and no,
Speaker 1: Kaneen wasn't stripping.
Speaker 2: Contrary, it's the popular dumb ans. I was not stripping.
Speaker 2: I didn't have an only fans, No, but it was.
Speaker 3: Only fans, or at that time they might I might
Speaker 3: have had some.
Speaker 2: Content on that contemplating every day that's how do we
Speaker 2: take this ship to the next level?
Speaker 3: Facts?
Speaker 1: Yeah, facts, because when when Ridge is touching man and
Speaker 1: you gotta eat grits every day, man, sometimes it's like, yo,
Speaker 1: let me just do this real quick.
Speaker 2: Facts.
Speaker 1: But during that time, especially when when we were transitioning
Speaker 1: from the NFL and building, I just learned so many
Speaker 1: smart ways to make sure that money is accounted for.
Speaker 1: And when this strike happened, Kadeen was like, yo, are
Speaker 1: we going to be all right? And I was like,
Speaker 1: you don't have to worry.
Speaker 2: Babe, it's about this is tight. My entire twenty almost
Speaker 2: twenty one years with you. One thing I will say.
Speaker 2: We've had ups, we've had downs, We've had moments within
Speaker 2: our relationship like are we going to be together or not?
Speaker 2: But there was nothing from a perspective of are we
Speaker 2: going to be okay? Am I going to be okay? Okay?
Speaker 2: I've never had to worry about that.
Speaker 3: That's good today and I love.
Speaker 2: And appreciate you, appreciate you so much for that because
Speaker 2: it didn't matter if we were at odds, it didn't
Speaker 2: matter where we were. We could not have been talking
Speaker 2: to each other, sleeping separate rooms. But I never feared
Speaker 2: that I was going to be left out to dry
Speaker 2: or alone.
Speaker 3: That makes me feel good.
Speaker 1: I always wanted to make you feel safe, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like that's and that's a very important
Speaker 1: part of what we're talking about today, chasing your dreams
Speaker 1: and feeling safe because you never know when a strike
Speaker 1: is gonna come, or when you're going to get cut,
Speaker 1: or when the industry is just going to be on
Speaker 1: the downslope, you know. And it's important for people to
Speaker 1: recognize that this can happen in any industry, you know.
Speaker 1: And I'm gonna be honest, I never thought for a
Speaker 1: second that there would be months because I haven't worked
Speaker 1: since May currently, yes, currently, and in the past four years,
Speaker 1: there has never been a three month stretch where I
Speaker 1: haven't booked something. And that's that shout out to God
Speaker 1: and the blessings he's given me. I have worked my
Speaker 1: ass off for people who don't know. I'm not just
Speaker 1: an Instagram or YouTube guy that wants to be an actor.
Speaker 3: I am a trained actor.
Speaker 1: I did a two year conservative store, two year conservatory
Speaker 1: at Esper Studio.
Speaker 3: I got my.
Speaker 1: Bachelor's degree in speech Community. Yeah, r rip bill Man
Speaker 1: william Esper to go. He was one of the creators
Speaker 1: and masterminds behind the technique, and he's part of the
Speaker 1: reason why I've been able to advance and do well
Speaker 1: in that space because I studied his techniques. I worked
Speaker 1: directly with him in his class for two years and
Speaker 1: he taught me a lot.
Speaker 3: But also shout out to Hastra. Got my bachelor's.
Speaker 1: Degree in Speech Communications and Performance and Rhetorical Studies. So
Speaker 1: being in TV film is something I've always wanted since
Speaker 1: I was a young child, and I knew it was
Speaker 1: going to be a hard road right when I met
Speaker 1: Kadeen when we were eighteen, when she asked me what
Speaker 1: I wanted to do, I told her this and Martin
Speaker 1: was on television, but I told her I had a
Speaker 1: financial plan because I didn't want to be what a
Speaker 1: starving artist, A starving artist, starving artist like I just
Speaker 1: did not want to be a starving artist. And this
Speaker 1: goes for all artistry, you know, painters, rappers, singers, dancers, stuntman.
Speaker 1: I was a stuntman for three years, you know, as
Speaker 1: part of the sad Gil when I worked on Power
Speaker 1: doing stunts for Mari Harwick. So I've done a ton
Speaker 1: of jobs. But I also remember telling Ky that you
Speaker 1: have to have a financial plan to be an artists
Speaker 1: or be an entrepreneur. It's not just chasing your dream.
Speaker 1: You have to dream with a plan for sure. So
Speaker 1: let's break down some of the nitty gritty things so
Speaker 1: you can understand when you hear people talking about this.
Speaker 2: Strike right right, because of course we're speaking about sag
Speaker 2: Astra because they're striking now into bout an ira in
Speaker 2: the industry. However, if you are in any job, it
Speaker 2: could be know your eight hour workday job? What is
Speaker 2: a labor union? A labor union is a group of
Speaker 2: two or more employees who join together to advance common
Speaker 2: interests such as wages, benefits, schedules, and other employment terms
Speaker 2: and conditions.
Speaker 1: Now this is important, right, and so many people don't
Speaker 1: know who's in charge of their labor I mean their
Speaker 1: labor union.
Speaker 3: They don't know who to call if something happens on
Speaker 3: the labor union.
Speaker 1: Right, they don't even know which is important to know
Speaker 1: because you can fight things on your job like discrimination,
Speaker 1: unfair wages, unfair work practices, unfair conditions. Just by going
Speaker 1: to your labor union. You don't have to be the whistleblower.
Speaker 1: You just go to your union and be like.
Speaker 2: A this, Yeah, they have your interest to her. A
Speaker 2: lot of times you don't want to have to go
Speaker 2: to the hierarchies, or you don't want to have to
Speaker 2: go to the people in charge. Right. You want someone
Speaker 2: who will be in support up to you and will
Speaker 2: come with that lens versus the And this ain't I know, y'all.
Speaker 2: Since August twentieth, eighteen sixty six. The National Labor Union
Speaker 2: was actually founded then in Baltimore, Maryland, and it was
Speaker 2: the first attempt to create a national labor group in
Speaker 2: the United States. And one of their first actions was
Speaker 2: the first national call for Congress to mandate an eight
Speaker 2: hour work day.
Speaker 1: So I want to I just want to point something
Speaker 1: out to people who understand history, right, just think about history.
Speaker 1: The National Labor Union was founded in eighteen sixty six.
Speaker 2: What happened around that, What happened in eighteen sixty.
Speaker 3: Five, what happened in eighteen.
Speaker 1: Well, the Emanciplation Proclamation was signed in eighteen sixty three.
Speaker 3: It'sok, two years until.
Speaker 1: June nineteenth, eighteen sixty five, when all slaves were considered free,
Speaker 1: and now people actually had to work to build their businesses.
Speaker 1: And a minute people had to actually work to build
Speaker 1: their own businesses.
Speaker 3: Let's create a labor union. Doesn't that sound awfully coincidental?
Speaker 3: I'm saying. I'm just I just want to put that
Speaker 3: out there.
Speaker 2: We just wanted to put to in case you missed it.
Speaker 2: In case you missed it. So, labor unions were a
Speaker 2: pillar of the civil rights movement. Many civil rights leaders
Speaker 2: you may know who helped shape the labor union, Mary MacLeod,
Speaker 2: Bethune Bayard rustin A, Philip Randolph, and Martin Luther King
Speaker 2: all worked with labor unions to create more equitable conditions
Speaker 2: for black workers in various industries.
Speaker 3: And we're still fighting those same battles today.
Speaker 1: Of the twelve thousand writers in the writer's strike, only
Speaker 1: eight hundred are African American. That's not crazy to you,
Speaker 1: wild because and the reason why I want to point
Speaker 1: that bring this up to is when you're a black
Speaker 1: artist who are fighting, who is fighting for opportunities, if
Speaker 1: you don't have black writers writing for you, How could
Speaker 1: they even find a role that fits it's fits you
Speaker 1: if the people who are.
Speaker 3: Writing don't know to write for you. You know what
Speaker 3: I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And it's the same thing with producers, directors, everything. So
Speaker 1: there's a reason why these labor unions are important. They're
Speaker 1: not just fighting for equitable, fair labor practice for everyone,
Speaker 1: but specifically for Black Americans because, as you can see
Speaker 1: on the timelines when they created labor unions, labor unions
Speaker 1: were not.
Speaker 3: Created for black people.
Speaker 1: It is a fact that the people you mentioned here,
Speaker 1: Mary MacLeod, Bethune, Martin, Luther King had to fight, and
Speaker 1: especially a Philip Randolph had to fight to integrate labor
Speaker 1: unions so black people could be included in the labor unions.
Speaker 1: An additional fight when first of all, you have to
Speaker 1: fight to be a part of the union. Then when
Speaker 1: you get to be a part of the union, fight
Speaker 1: for equality within the union. I watched, I watched remember
Speaker 1: his another quick story anecdote. But when I first retired
Speaker 1: from the NFL twenty ten, officially, we were looking for
Speaker 1: help insurance and before I knew that SAG because I
Speaker 1: knew nothing about SAG, and I didn't know SAG had
Speaker 1: health insurance.
Speaker 3: I was going to be a firefighter.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: And at that time I made a fun.
Speaker 1: Come on baby, you know, you know baby, I was
Speaker 1: that calendar would have been, we'd have been in it
Speaker 1: saying April baby, April fool.
Speaker 2: Then we've been fighting in them covers.
Speaker 3: You're fighting them covers. You nasty, nasty, You just took
Speaker 3: my mom. I was going somewhere else, go back.
Speaker 2: That's the story. Now.
Speaker 1: I was going to be a firefighter, mainly because I
Speaker 1: could get health insurance, but also because I could work
Speaker 1: three days on and have four days off based on
Speaker 1: the way their cycles work. But I remember during that time,
Speaker 1: in twenty ten, they were fighting the Black Firefighters Union
Speaker 1: were fighting for equal wages and discrimination because the five
Speaker 1: previous years before this union was created, studies had shown
Speaker 1: that once again, firefighters were.
Speaker 3: Being accepted into firehouses based.
Speaker 1: On what is what is the term I just used, go,
Speaker 1: I just forgot the term. Oh man, oh my gosh.
Speaker 1: Nepotism built on can help you. But if you notice
Speaker 1: the families in New York, all of the families that
Speaker 1: random fires all had the same name, and they were
Speaker 1: hiring their kids and their nephews and their kids friends
Speaker 1: and their nephew's friends, and they were leaving out black firefighters.
Speaker 1: So by the time we came in, they were giving
Speaker 1: blackfire because the union fought and won their case against
Speaker 1: the Fire Department of New York that all black firefighters
Speaker 1: who were hired during that time were going to be
Speaker 1: hired with five years vested into it. So you didn't
Speaker 1: start at the starting pay, You started as if you
Speaker 1: had already worked.
Speaker 3: For five years. But that's something a union fought for
Speaker 3: to get.
Speaker 1: Black firefighters caught up to what they didn't get for
Speaker 1: all of those previous years. I just wanted to use
Speaker 1: that example as to important why unions exist.
Speaker 2: Totally makes sense. And if you're curious about what other
Speaker 2: industries in the United States have a union representation, this
Speaker 2: may be you and you don't even know it. Teachers,
Speaker 2: public service workers like police, and like we said, firemen,
Speaker 2: transportation workers including bus drivers and rail workers, electricians, plumbers,
Speaker 2: postal workers, just to name a few. So if you
Speaker 2: don't know who your union is, your union reps, now's
Speaker 2: a good time just to find out, just to know.
Speaker 2: And today there are even non labor unions like the
Speaker 2: debt collective that focuses on collective actions to cancel student debts.
Speaker 2: Listen tenant unions as well that focus on collective action
Speaker 2: to help guarantee safe and affordable housing for everyone. Yes,
Speaker 2: so that's pretty dope and good to know, because I'm
Speaker 2: sure our listeners out there somebody falls into any of
Speaker 2: those categories at any given moments.
Speaker 1: And we don't really want to make this whole episode
Speaker 1: about actors, right, because it's not about actors, but it's
Speaker 1: about being an employee and being a worker.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: There's so much emphasis now on people to be an entrepreneur, right,
Speaker 1: being entrepreneur. Okay, this sounds nice to just wake up
Speaker 1: one day and be like, you know what, I'm just
Speaker 1: going to be an entrepreneur. But the truth of the
Speaker 1: matter is most entrepreneurs have to be a worker first.
Speaker 3: Yes, right.
Speaker 1: Unless you've inherited some funds to start your own business
Speaker 1: and you've inherited the knowledge to be able to run
Speaker 1: your own business and have your own business make money,
Speaker 1: you have to work first.
Speaker 2: How is are you gonna learn how to run your
Speaker 2: own business? That was literally what I did with mac Cosmetics.
Speaker 2: My goal and my aim and my passion was not
Speaker 2: makeup artistry. I kind of fell into it in a recession,
Speaker 2: enjoyed it, got to meet people, and then saw the
Speaker 2: opportunity to no longer work for a company and then
Speaker 2: use the knowledge that I gained to then use make
Speaker 2: my own company. Yes, right, so do you remember I
Speaker 2: was moving up fairly quickly when I worked at mac Cosmetics.
Speaker 1: As you've always done in the latter And no, no,
Speaker 1: this is I don't I'm only pointing this out and
Speaker 1: this is not to brag on you, but ever since
Speaker 1: I've known you, you've been an overachiever. Right when we
Speaker 1: first moved into the dorm, and I keep saying we
Speaker 1: we were not together, but I said, weeks, I'm used
Speaker 1: to doing everything together. When we first moved into the
Speaker 1: dorm at Hofstra, you hated your roommate and you asked,
Speaker 1: how could I get my own single?
Speaker 3: They say you should register to be an RA.
Speaker 1: You registered to become an RA in one RA of
Speaker 1: the year, and then you were just like, Okay, this
Speaker 1: room is small, but I want my own like suite.
Speaker 1: Then they were like, well you can be a a D.
Speaker 1: Then you registered to be a a D and one
Speaker 1: a D of the year. Then you was like, wait,
Speaker 1: I can get my education paid for if I become
Speaker 1: an r D. You registered become an RD apartment. We
Speaker 1: had a own apartment, but you won what r D
Speaker 1: of the year.
Speaker 3: The same thing.
Speaker 1: When you started in Matt Cosmetics, you were thirdy No,
Speaker 1: not even a third key you were.
Speaker 2: I was just a part.
Speaker 3: Part artists.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Then and then with full time.
Speaker 2: Artists, well not even I went from a uh, part
Speaker 2: time artist to a third key key keyholder, which is
Speaker 2: like the lowest level of management. But it was a
Speaker 2: full time job and it gave.
Speaker 3: Me benefits and health insurance, and that's.
Speaker 2: Why you ultimately what I wanted. And then after that
Speaker 2: six months, within a year, I was promoted to an
Speaker 2: assistant manager.
Speaker 3: It was just the same thing.
Speaker 2: But I learned so much in that time. I was
Speaker 2: not only learning the artistry side of things, but I
Speaker 2: learned how to read p and ls. I learned how
Speaker 2: to you know, do events to make money. I learned
Speaker 2: how to do contract part of the impact team or
Speaker 2: the impact team that I was pushed as an artist.
Speaker 2: So then that gave me the latitude to then say,
Speaker 2: you know what, I can kind of do this on
Speaker 2: my own and start my own little side business here
Speaker 2: and then that gave me the flexibility to become a
Speaker 2: freelance artist, to keep my toe in the industry and
Speaker 2: work a couple hours here and there in the store.
Speaker 2: But I was doing a majority of my work outside
Speaker 2: of it. So that's how the cookie crumbled.
Speaker 1: I will say this, KOs, kudos to you because you
Speaker 1: had a plan to go in there and learn, and
Speaker 1: you learned, and then because we worked together, you were
Speaker 1: able to take the leap of faith and go out
Speaker 1: on your own when I was able to establish myself.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Part of the reason why I'm bringing that up is
Speaker 1: because in times of strikes like this or work stoppages,
Speaker 1: when you have a spouse, yeah, and one is busting
Speaker 1: in or ask to get something done and say, for example,
Speaker 1: you're not working, you can be a support system to
Speaker 1: that person in that time to help them. But the
Speaker 1: most important thing is when you're working right, don't just
Speaker 1: be a worker. Don't just clock in the work, say man,
Speaker 1: I know what time I'm getting off. Don't help build
Speaker 1: the business and then leave. You're not helping yourself as
Speaker 1: an employee. It's important and imperative that you learn every
Speaker 1: aspect of the business because if you really want to
Speaker 1: be an entrepreneur being a worker, it's not a shortcoming.
Speaker 1: All it is is a paid education. Paid education. Learn
Speaker 1: as much as you can about the business. You know
Speaker 1: how many people I know who started working in electricity
Speaker 1: as an electrician, and now I have my own company.
Speaker 3: How did you have your own company? Well?
Speaker 1: I started to notice once I was going to all
Speaker 1: of these houses. I noticed how they took the invoices,
Speaker 1: how they submitted payments, how they committed sales.
Speaker 3: And I said, you know what these are now my clients.
Speaker 1: I've the ones that's been in contact with them, So
Speaker 1: let me start my own company. And then they started
Speaker 1: soliciting to those same people and say, hey, if you're
Speaker 1: looking for an electrician, now I started my own company.
Speaker 1: You know you're used to me. But it only happens
Speaker 1: if you learn first. The best way you can learn
Speaker 1: is going through your union. I learned so much about
Speaker 1: labor agreements and contracts through the NFLPA.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I started.
Speaker 1: To learn how much we deserved and how much we
Speaker 1: weren't getting. And I learned a lot about business through
Speaker 1: the NFLPA, going to events the NFLPA had. It's not
Speaker 1: just a union where I pay dues every month. No,
Speaker 1: they have events where I can learn about stuff. For example,
Speaker 1: Tiffany and Steve got their master's degrees through a program
Speaker 1: that was offered through the NFLPA.
Speaker 2: Right, and if you don't even know you see what
Speaker 2: I'm saying, that's a possibility or a luxury essentially extended
Speaker 2: to you, then you can never take advantage of it.
Speaker 1: When I took Jackson to go speak at USC three
Speaker 1: years ago, we spoke in front of some NFL grades.
Speaker 1: These guys were working on second career plans. Guests who
Speaker 1: offered this opportunity for them to learn the second career plans.
Speaker 1: The NFLPA, your union, that's union. So ultimately this whole
Speaker 1: episode is about getting in touch with your union. If
Speaker 1: you work, learning about your business through your union, so
Speaker 1: that if you have a workstop or something, you can
Speaker 1: find all the benefits. I've also had friends who got
Speaker 1: what received payouts for concussions, oh.
Speaker 2: For sure, extended dental coverage for their family, like through
Speaker 2: your unions.
Speaker 1: Through your union, shout out to the union, Shout out
Speaker 1: to SAG after shout out to the WAG for you know,
Speaker 1: coming together and to sign that they were going to
Speaker 1: put their feet down collectively and fight for equity and
Speaker 1: equality for all of us. And we want to ask
Speaker 1: everyone here to continue to watch your favorite shows. Yes,
Speaker 1: would let them know that you're only watching for the actress.
Speaker 2: I remember I mentioned that silver cloud in the show opening.
Speaker 2: The silver lining not the cloud, the silver lining around
Speaker 2: this cloud is that we've just been happy to have
Speaker 2: you home for a little bit. I think that this gay,
Speaker 2: this was God's way for at least for our family,
Speaker 2: God's way of saying, you know what, devel, you need
Speaker 2: a little time home. So the week you were supposed
Speaker 2: to be filming Asa Tima, you actually were able to
Speaker 2: go away with your family, the first side of family
Speaker 2: in five years. And that was awesome because you know,
Speaker 2: had you been working, which would have been great of
Speaker 2: course to get that income, you would have missed out
Speaker 2: on some really great moments with the family. So we've
Speaker 2: been happy to have you home, and we love you,
Speaker 2: and we were standing with you ten toes down.
Speaker 1: Let me tell you my team, my home team, and
Speaker 1: they send ten toes down. We are missing a little
Speaker 1: bit of that money, and money is good. It would
Speaker 1: have been two more seasons of television films and that
Speaker 1: I was watching.
Speaker 2: You can see my eyes, But that just reminds me
Speaker 2: of the times that we've had to endure before and
Speaker 2: just making sure that we're being responsible. I just feel
Speaker 2: more comfortable this time around versus the whole NFL time
Speaker 2: when we lost out, just knowing that we've prepared for
Speaker 2: moments like this, Yes.
Speaker 1: And we also prepare the table that we can continue
Speaker 1: to create content for sure, and also make some money
Speaker 1: through real estate through the podcast, through book sales like that.
Speaker 1: And that's also a message we want to sell to
Speaker 1: tell people. If you're an artist and you get in
Speaker 1: an opportunity, you are getting an opportunity to stand on
Speaker 1: a platform, utilize that platform to create other sources of
Speaker 1: revenue for sure, so that you never find yourself in
Speaker 1: need at any point.
Speaker 2: And thank y'all for continuing to support the LS family.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we love y'all, man.
Speaker 2: We love y'all. All Right, we're gonna take a quick
Speaker 2: break and get back into Listen letters.
Speaker 3: Okay, baby, all.
Speaker 2: Right, darling, we're back for another round of Listener. Let
Speaker 2: us listen to what y'all have for us today. Sure, Hey, Valancadin,
Speaker 2: I love you and your family. What you all represent HEIHI,
Speaker 2: thank you. Funny story. I saw you guys at my
Speaker 2: son's AAU basketball game, and I froze like KaDee with Beyonce.
Speaker 2: That's so funny. My husband had to speak to Devo
Speaker 2: because I was so nervous. Thank you for all that
Speaker 2: you do. Oh since she said, say hi. But I
Speaker 2: know sometimes I'll be looking really unapproachable. If you see
Speaker 2: me look like that at my son's games, it's only
Speaker 2: because I'll be so focused on him. And I'm AAU
Speaker 2: mom football mom. Take it very seriously, and I really
Speaker 2: just have tunnel visions. So I'm not trying to be
Speaker 2: mean or dismissive. Y'all. Not just be in the zone,
Speaker 2: I promise, But I digress. My issue is I am
Speaker 2: thirty six years old, married for the second time to
Speaker 2: my thirty eight year old husband, and I have a
Speaker 2: sixteen year old son from my previous marriage. My husband
Speaker 2: has no children. We've been married for a year now,
Speaker 2: and he keeps insinuating that he may want a child
Speaker 2: of his own. But while we were dating, he said
Speaker 2: he was fine either way. As the years went by,
Speaker 2: I decided I didn't want to start over. My son
Speaker 2: is almost an adult who wants to go back to diapers.
Speaker 2: I understand, girl, but I feel selfish if I expect
Speaker 2: him to go without having the experience of being a dad. However,
Speaker 2: I also feel justified because he never stated not having
Speaker 2: a child was a deal breaker. What should I do?
Speaker 2: How could we compromise? Any advice would help? Ooh, that's tough.
Speaker 2: So you were kind of wishy? Why she wit your
Speaker 2: answer there? So, like you said, it was never really
Speaker 2: they both work because he said he may or may not,
Speaker 2: and you said, well, I might or might not. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and you're thirty six, Yeah, thirty six, you have a
Speaker 2: sixteen year old and starting.
Speaker 3: Over two years, he will be out the house.
Speaker 2: He'll literally be out of the house.
Speaker 1: And if she starts getting pregnant now, which means ought
Speaker 1: you to be at the same age we were with Dakota.
Speaker 2: With Dakota, yeah, yeah, yeah, And the I mean, I
Speaker 2: wouldn't say that my pregnancy was difficult. It wasn't. It
Speaker 2: was just more the after, you know, as you get
Speaker 2: up there in age, theatric pregnancy with disrespect thirty plus
Speaker 2: something year old bruh, so stupid. So if I was
Speaker 2: in this position, right and I was thirty six, my
Speaker 2: husband thirty eight, and I'm thinking about like, well, Jackson's
Speaker 2: only twelve, but still starting over again, because essentially, once
Speaker 2: we were done with Kaz, I was like, man, I'm
Speaker 2: thirty three years old, done with my kids at thirty three,
Speaker 2: Like I wouldn't technically have to start over. But if
Speaker 2: I were in your position and I have my now
Speaker 2: second husband who I'm so deeply in love with, I
Speaker 2: feel like I would want to know what a child
Speaker 2: together with him would be like, Like what would the
Speaker 2: product of this love be? And that's probably coming from
Speaker 2: the emotional, mushy side of things and not maybe the
Speaker 2: realistic side of like going back to diapers and starting
Speaker 2: over again, because girl, when I look at it, you'll
Speaker 2: be thirty, ate and free like you. Yeah, travel, you
Speaker 2: can do whatever you want. How about y'all sit down
Speaker 2: and do a list of pros and cons together. I
Speaker 2: was gonna say the same thing, you know, way out
Speaker 2: the option.
Speaker 1: There's no right or wrong way to answer this, but
Speaker 1: the only way to rectify this is having constant conversations.
Speaker 3: And that's what marriage is.
Speaker 1: And to be honest, him changing his mind or you
Speaker 1: changing your mind isn't a bad thing when y'all met
Speaker 1: and y'all are dating. Even if he said he didn't
Speaker 1: want kids, but now did y'all together, he wants to
Speaker 1: have kids. People are entitled to change their mind the
Speaker 1: same way you're entitled to say, I'm not cool with that,
Speaker 1: But y'all have to have that conversation. As long as
Speaker 1: you guys keep your thoughts to each other, y'all never
Speaker 1: find a solution. But if y'all can sit down and say, yo,
Speaker 1: I feel like this. Maybe it's not pregnancy, maybe it's adopting.
Speaker 1: But if he's saying he wants to know what it's
Speaker 1: like to be a father, and maybe he wants to
Speaker 1: know what his gene pool will look like with you
Speaker 1: because he doesn't have any children, ask him how important
Speaker 1: it is to him. Ask him the truth. Don't say babe,
Speaker 1: what do you think? And he says, I don't know?
Speaker 3: Maybe No, do you want want to have a child
Speaker 3: or not?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: You know, do you want to have a child or not?
Speaker 3: And like Kadeen said, weigh out the pros and cons.
Speaker 1: Definitely point out the fact that this will be a
Speaker 1: geriatric pregnancy, which means that there are you know, higher
Speaker 1: risks of certain.
Speaker 2: Things, say geriatric pregnancy anymore.
Speaker 3: Why you can't say that because it's.
Speaker 2: Like it's not like it's derogatory or anything, but it
Speaker 2: just be making women feel away. I know when I
Speaker 2: told my doctor somebody told me I was geriatric, she
Speaker 2: was like, don't you ever let people label you as
Speaker 2: geriatric thirty six.
Speaker 1: That is a clinical term used by scientists. Now you're
Speaker 1: telling me, y'all can't nothing nothing.
Speaker 2: Nowadays, you can't say nothing no more. So we know
Speaker 2: what it is.
Speaker 1: We won't say geriatric if you're gonna have old bitch pregnancy,
Speaker 1: if you're.
Speaker 2: Gonna have less decrepit pregnancy.
Speaker 1: I just, I just I want to I'm very big
Speaker 1: on maternal health because I watched you go through everything.
Speaker 1: We can't act like having a baby past thirty five
Speaker 1: doesn't put a woman's health.
Speaker 2: At risks and a higher risk.
Speaker 1: You know, we can't act like that's not a thing
Speaker 1: so true. That has to be something that is discussed. Yep,
Speaker 1: you know, yep, and do what you want. Don't let
Speaker 1: nobody else make you feel like listen, you know you
Speaker 1: being judged if you want to have a kid. If
Speaker 1: you don't y'all talk about what y'all want to do
Speaker 1: and do what's best for y'all.
Speaker 2: Being that's the whole fact that I have a friend
Speaker 2: of mine who is in her second marriage. She has
Speaker 2: two children, her husband has two children that they came
Speaker 2: into the marriage with. That's four children total, and they
Speaker 2: are now debating about having a child together because yeah,
Speaker 2: they love each other that much. What would our child
Speaker 2: look like together? Like? They can? They can do that
Speaker 2: because I'm like, all right, well cool. Some people might say, well, damn,
Speaker 2: you won't have a fifth kid. That's too many kids.
Speaker 2: Anytime you start listening to outside and noise, that's when
Speaker 2: things get really convoluted. So have the conversation, sit down
Speaker 2: with hubby, make those lists of pros and cons, and
Speaker 2: then let us know how it goes.
Speaker 1: But talk to each other for sure. You know it
Speaker 1: ain't no wrong answering. Continue loving on each other. I'm
Speaker 1: glad you found a husband that's gonna love you, and
Speaker 1: he clearly loves your son, yes, the same way for
Speaker 1: him to be that type of guy, so he'll probably
Speaker 1: be a really really good father for sure.
Speaker 3: And shout out to y'all, man, we appreciate y'all. See
Speaker 3: me out the AAU game. Say what up. Yep, you know,
Speaker 3: because we love y'all. And of course I was only
Speaker 3: joking about old bitch pregnancy.
Speaker 1: But kay, gonna tell me, I can't say Jerryatric So
Speaker 1: I know that might have just.
Speaker 2: Been my doctor, because my doctor back in New York
Speaker 2: she was very much like feminists. Don't let them do that,
Speaker 2: don't let them call you that, don't let them put
Speaker 2: a label on you. And I'm like, all right, girl,
Speaker 2: you better empower me. Meanwhile, I ended up with a
Speaker 2: post part because you had an old bitch pregnancy exactly, Mick.
Speaker 1: No, here's the crazy part where we used to go
Speaker 1: for checkups and stuff, right. I remember when we first
Speaker 1: used to go with Jackson. We were the young kids
Speaker 1: in there. We were twenty six, you know, we were
Speaker 1: in there. It's like, you know, watching people. But then
Speaker 1: now I'm like, I'm happy it was COVID because I
Speaker 1: couldn't go with you because I was just like, man,
Speaker 1: I don't want nobody to looking at that me like
Speaker 1: this old lass nigga.
Speaker 2: I think you're still looking like a young.
Speaker 3: I appreciate you. I appreciate you, love me too much.
Speaker 2: All right, on to the second one, Yes.
Speaker 1: So where to start lol whenever they start did chest
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna be crazy all right. First, let me
Speaker 1: tell you me and my newly married husband love you
Speaker 1: and your wife.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much. We love y'all back.
Speaker 1: My husband is currently incarcerated and has been since he
Speaker 1: was sixteen years old and will be coming home next year. Wow,
Speaker 1: we have a hard time communicating crazy, right, since that
Speaker 1: is a major part of our relationship. I can be
Speaker 1: a strong black woman with not always allowing him to
Speaker 1: lead or my mouth is deadly when upset.
Speaker 3: Now, my husband is amazing.
Speaker 1: Even through our distance, we are still reading your book
Speaker 1: and listening to the podcast because we are really wanting
Speaker 1: to find our piece in our marriage. We want to
Speaker 1: better understand we came from two different backgrounds. We want
Speaker 1: to better understand we came from two different backgrounds. I'm
Speaker 1: just hoping before he comes home that we are able
Speaker 1: to communicate better, because him coming home after all these
Speaker 1: years will already be its own battle, and I don't
Speaker 1: want us to be a part of that battle. What
Speaker 1: tips can you give us about improving our communication? Well, shit,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be honest. She already pointed out some things
Speaker 1: that she know about herself and she knows about him
Speaker 1: self awareness.
Speaker 3: That's the first step, is self awareness.
Speaker 2: Right, And how are you now going to curtail these things?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: You know these these these traits that you may have,
Speaker 2: are these qualities or these uh you know moments with
Speaker 2: the deadly mouth when upset? How can you now?
Speaker 3: I sure do Jimi sucking souls? I'm sorry, I couldn't.
Speaker 3: I couldn't help myself. I couldn't help.
Speaker 2: He could never help himself. But you're welcome. So, but
Speaker 2: now that you know that these are the things that
Speaker 2: may insinuate a fight or an argument or make things
Speaker 2: hard for him to then communicate or reciprocate communication, you
Speaker 2: may have to find oasis to kind of hold it
Speaker 2: down and maybe ask questions or within conversation speak in
Speaker 2: a tone in a manner in which you're actually encouraging
Speaker 2: conversation from him. Because there's been times recently with Deval,
Speaker 2: for example, say we get into a little spat that
Speaker 2: I have chosen not to raise my voice or not
Speaker 2: to fly off the handle because I just say, you
Speaker 2: know what, I know, if I do, it's just going
Speaker 2: to go far left. And to avoid that, I sometimes
Speaker 2: bite the bullet where I want to just you know,
Speaker 2: essentially jump out the window with it, and I don't.
Speaker 1: Sometimes she does about five percent sometimes most of the time.
Speaker 1: The other ninety five percent. I got to remain came.
Speaker 2: I think we both have to remain com I think
Speaker 2: it's very fifty to fifty right now.
Speaker 3: That's how you feel based.
Speaker 2: That's exactly how I feel.
Speaker 3: You have that.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 3: See how I just did that.
Speaker 2: See how we did that, prime example, prime example. But
Speaker 2: also too, I think within the constraints that they have
Speaker 2: now with him being incarcerated. Yes, you know, you are
Speaker 2: going to have to reacclimate to what life is going
Speaker 2: to be like together. But sometimes a lot of communication
Speaker 2: is just in eye contact body language, but like being
Speaker 2: in the same room with each other.
Speaker 3: He's been incarcerated.
Speaker 1: They haven't had that type of relationship, knowing his body
Speaker 1: language and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: She doesn't really know, meaning that they're gonna have to learn.
Speaker 1: They're gonna have to learn, which which is exciting, Yeah,
Speaker 1: but it can also be scary. But you also have
Speaker 1: to understand if he's been incarcerated since he was sixteen, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you have to understand that.
Speaker 3: I don't know how old he is.
Speaker 1: She didn't say, but how long ago was that and
Speaker 1: where was his mind at that point when he was incarcerated,
Speaker 1: So be open to knowing that however old he is
Speaker 1: now that he's out, that sixteen year old person is
Speaker 1: still going to be more prominent because that's who he
Speaker 1: was when he went inside, and she's probably helped him
Speaker 1: a lot develop because he has a reason to work
Speaker 1: and do all these different things. So just be able
Speaker 1: to have empathy and don't expect him to be the
Speaker 1: version that you want him to be, right, especially not
Speaker 1: out the way.
Speaker 3: To accept him for who he is and see if
Speaker 3: that works for you.
Speaker 2: Because I'm sure on both sides, there's gonna be a
Speaker 2: lot to unpack, yes, for both of you, and like
Speaker 2: you said, transitioning to now even being together in the
Speaker 2: same space and living together. But I do wish you
Speaker 2: guys the best, and I think that if you guys
Speaker 2: were able to stay together within this current situation, absolutely
Speaker 2: that there's definitely a great promise for moving forward because
Speaker 2: at the root of all of this is genuine care.
Speaker 2: It seems like in love.
Speaker 1: Bro, imagine if all you have is communicating because you
Speaker 1: can't see each other.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the frustration that comes with not even being
Speaker 2: together because we know we have that a lot. Like
Speaker 2: if Devo's away filming for six weeks and I can't
Speaker 2: high tail it to wherever.
Speaker 3: He is, going crazy, she'd be going crazy.
Speaker 1: I'd be like, Kadeen, calm down, Okay, let me tell
Speaker 1: you six weeks. I'll be home soon.
Speaker 2: When he's away, and god forbid, I don't have enough
Speaker 2: communication or I'm not calling enough, or he can't FaceTime
Speaker 2: me or get me because I'm running around with the kids.
Speaker 2: He is a whole big ass baby me Devo.
Speaker 3: Me today, me.
Speaker 1: Yes, you answer the fucking phone when I call you,
Speaker 1: especially when we away for six weeks.
Speaker 2: And I call your answer the phone right as I'm
Speaker 2: juggling your four children, and every day and every it
Speaker 2: goes to show lack of district what FTK, don't tell
Speaker 2: me that, don't I know what that acrom and you're
Speaker 2: not going to tell me to fuck them kids?
Speaker 3: Now?
Speaker 2: Now?
Speaker 3: They all right? Daddy calling you, Daddy calling you into
Speaker 3: the phone.
Speaker 2: Goodness, good luck to your I pray that that everything
Speaker 2: works out for y'all and that you can get your
Speaker 2: man you know, in your arms again. Y'all can get
Speaker 2: that communication flowing all right, y'all. If you want to
Speaker 2: be featured as one of our listener letters, email us
Speaker 2: at dead ass Advice at gmail dot com.
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