WEBVTT - Finding the Fenn Treasure 0:00:01.480 --> 0:00:04.280 Welcome to stuff you should know, a production of I 0:00:04.360 --> 0:00:13.520 Heart Radio. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark, 0:00:13.560 --> 0:00:18.520 and there's Charles W. Chuck Bryant over there. Bryant, Really, 0:00:18.520 --> 0:00:20.200 would you say the first time? I pronounced it with 0:00:20.239 --> 0:00:24.680 a real hard te Bryant. Yeah, you only do that 0:00:24.680 --> 0:00:27.400 when you're mad at me, you know, like kissing through 0:00:27.480 --> 0:00:30.760 a clenched teeth, kind like I say, Josh Clark, Right, 0:00:31.200 --> 0:00:35.559 Marge Simpson even know the one where that guy came 0:00:35.600 --> 0:00:40.800 in and introduced Marge's substitute teacher. Oh yeah, yeah, um 0:00:41.159 --> 0:00:44.839 so wait what did you say? Boy? This is this 0:00:44.920 --> 0:00:48.239 is great podcasting. Right now, I'm clearing my throat and 0:00:48.280 --> 0:00:51.560 asking you what you said ten seconds ago. Uh? Well, 0:00:51.560 --> 0:00:55.560 I do have a couple of weird announcements, if let's 0:00:55.600 --> 0:00:59.320 do that before we actively get going. One is just 0:00:59.360 --> 0:01:02.240 a quick listener shout out. And you remember in the 0:01:02.240 --> 0:01:05.399 Hell Hell Hell episode when I couldn't think of the 0:01:05.400 --> 0:01:08.759 Pixar movie where if you were forgotten you go away, 0:01:09.680 --> 0:01:12.560 It's Coco. Yeah, I saw somebody right then, And is 0:01:12.560 --> 0:01:14.479 that a good movie? I've seen nothing but good things, 0:01:14.480 --> 0:01:19.240 but I've never watched it. Dude, Coco is easily the 0:01:19.280 --> 0:01:23.959 best looking animated film I've ever seen. It's amazing. It 0:01:24.040 --> 0:01:26.560 is striking. And that's from Joe Brown. He's a movie crusher. 0:01:26.560 --> 0:01:29.000 I felt so dumb because the main song from that 0:01:29.040 --> 0:01:35.280 movie is called remember Me. Think it's about being remembered. 0:01:35.360 --> 0:01:39.360 The title of the song is remember Me chuck. Uh. 0:01:39.400 --> 0:01:42.880 And also, uh, we wanted to announce that we are 0:01:43.560 --> 0:01:49.080 edging close to one hundred thousand books sold. Yeah that's 0:01:49.120 --> 0:01:52.440 pretty good, huh it is, and we would really like 0:01:52.560 --> 0:01:56.600 to hit that number. Oh okay, yeah, I mean like 0:01:56.680 --> 0:01:58.680 we uh, I mean you don't Yeah, yeah I do. 0:01:58.880 --> 0:02:01.520 I totally do know, I totally do. Um. It's just 0:02:01.640 --> 0:02:03.640 usually we coordinated with stuff like this so I can 0:02:03.640 --> 0:02:08.120 prepare some remarks. Uh, you know, come on, let's see 0:02:08.120 --> 0:02:13.240 what you gotta say. Selling book, good bye book, good you. 0:02:14.600 --> 0:02:18.240 Hundred thousand, big number, that's what I have to say 0:02:18.320 --> 0:02:20.400 off the cup. Yeah, we'd like to hit a hundred 0:02:20.440 --> 0:02:22.680 thousand because that would, um, that would please a lot 0:02:22.680 --> 0:02:25.600 of people. It's a good round number. And just because 0:02:25.639 --> 0:02:28.480 the holidays have come and gone, you still can go 0:02:28.520 --> 0:02:31.120 out and get that thing, the stuff you should know 0:02:31.240 --> 0:02:36.080 Book of Interesting Facts and Figures. What it's called bit's 0:02:36.120 --> 0:02:40.600 close stuff you should know Invisible colon uh, an incomplete 0:02:40.639 --> 0:02:43.799 compendium of mostly interesting things. We took some grief for 0:02:43.919 --> 0:02:47.960 not actually putting a colon on there. Oh really after 0:02:48.000 --> 0:02:51.480 our colon heavy speak over the past few years. Yeah, 0:02:51.520 --> 0:02:56.760 my response is that it's invisible and silent, invisible in silent, 0:02:56.880 --> 0:03:01.239 much like us. Yeah, yeah, not at all. But the 0:03:01.919 --> 0:03:03.560 thing is, I wonder if we shot ourselves in the 0:03:03.560 --> 0:03:06.160 foot by making the thing bright red so people are 0:03:06.200 --> 0:03:10.359 confused and think it's it's only a Christmas present m m, 0:03:11.280 --> 0:03:13.639 because you're right, it's not. Just because Christmas is over, 0:03:13.680 --> 0:03:15.800 it doesn't mean you can't get it. So it's available 0:03:15.840 --> 0:03:18.840 everywhere still, and you can get it from indie booksellers 0:03:18.880 --> 0:03:24.000 to Giant uh, global monopolies. Everywhere has it anywhere you 0:03:24.000 --> 0:03:26.920 can buy books. That's right. Uh. And then my final 0:03:26.960 --> 0:03:29.920 little quick shout out because this is an episode on 0:03:29.960 --> 0:03:33.160 the fin Treasure. Actually know a guy who looked for 0:03:33.200 --> 0:03:35.920 this thing, and it's my old pal from my film 0:03:35.960 --> 0:03:40.080 industry days, Kim bro and I remember when this well, 0:03:40.120 --> 0:03:42.200 we don't want to ruin anything, but I remember him 0:03:42.240 --> 0:03:44.800 posting on Facebook about it some that he had looked 0:03:44.840 --> 0:03:46.680 for it. He didn't quit his job like some people, 0:03:47.840 --> 0:03:52.560 but he was a UM, a casual to moderately intense 0:03:53.840 --> 0:03:57.200 UM explorer for the Finn Treasure. So that's really neat man. 0:03:57.360 --> 0:04:01.680 Big shout out to kimbro Yeah listen, Actually, oh even better, 0:04:02.200 --> 0:04:04.080 you won't have to email and be like you should 0:04:04.080 --> 0:04:08.440 really listen to the Finn Treasure episode. So you just 0:04:08.520 --> 0:04:10.560 kind of let the cat out of the bag. You 0:04:10.680 --> 0:04:13.680 and the title of the episode. We're talking about the 0:04:13.680 --> 0:04:17.440 Fen Treasure, and it's probably familiar to a lot of people. 0:04:17.640 --> 0:04:21.719 It made the news pretty widely over the decade that 0:04:21.800 --> 0:04:24.440 it was ongoing. But for those of you who aren't 0:04:24.440 --> 0:04:26.159 aware of it, it was a treasure hunt, like a 0:04:26.240 --> 0:04:31.080 real live treasure hunt. There was a chest of treasures 0:04:31.120 --> 0:04:34.760 literally treasures of gold and jewels and gems and are 0:04:35.040 --> 0:04:39.880 like archaeological artifacts hidden somewhere by a very eccentric art 0:04:39.920 --> 0:04:44.880 dealer named Forest Finn, hence the name Finn Treasure. And 0:04:44.880 --> 0:04:47.840 he published something in his book which is basically a 0:04:49.240 --> 0:04:53.080 puzzle map full of clues I think nine clues, and 0:04:53.120 --> 0:04:56.360 said you got everybody go find it and kick back 0:04:56.440 --> 0:05:00.920 and and watched by the highest count I've seen about 0:05:00.920 --> 0:05:05.839 three fifty thousand different people search for this treasure, some 0:05:05.960 --> 0:05:08.840 of whom, like you mentioned, quit their jobs moved out 0:05:08.839 --> 0:05:13.200 to the rockies so that they could um search more frequently. 0:05:14.000 --> 0:05:17.440 Most people, though, just kind of were casually involved or 0:05:17.600 --> 0:05:20.120 maybe followed it on the message boards that kind of thing. 0:05:20.160 --> 0:05:22.880 But but the people who actually did go out and 0:05:22.880 --> 0:05:26.640 look for it, we're kind of fulfilling this vision that 0:05:26.680 --> 0:05:29.560 Forest Fin had, which was, you know, we're also just 0:05:29.680 --> 0:05:33.000 kind of stuck on our couches in front of multiple 0:05:33.080 --> 0:05:36.159 screens all the time, and there's so much natural beauty 0:05:36.160 --> 0:05:39.920 out there that's just passing people's lives by. UM. And 0:05:39.960 --> 0:05:41.559 he said, well, you know, if you put a chest 0:05:41.640 --> 0:05:43.680 of treasure worth a couple of million dollars out there, 0:05:44.000 --> 0:05:46.640 tell people it's somewhere out there, it might actually get 0:05:46.680 --> 0:05:48.680 some people to go look for it. And and that 0:05:48.760 --> 0:05:52.640 was the definite result of that whole thing. Yeah, I mean, 0:05:52.640 --> 0:05:54.839 it's a very cool thing. I did not know about 0:05:54.880 --> 0:05:58.720 it until the end, and I'm still trying to sort 0:05:58.720 --> 0:06:02.360 of dance around a spoil alert. UM. But you know, 0:06:02.760 --> 0:06:07.000 anything could have happened. It could have exploded, yep, could 0:06:07.000 --> 0:06:09.400 have never been found and been a hoax, right, don't 0:06:09.440 --> 0:06:12.520 forget Martians could have been Martians, it could have been found. 0:06:12.600 --> 0:06:16.040 You'll have to listen to find out. But eventually when 0:06:16.080 --> 0:06:19.480 things came to a conclusion is when I learned about it, 0:06:19.520 --> 0:06:21.440 and I was kind of mad that I didn't know 0:06:21.480 --> 0:06:26.640 about it before. I definitely would not have gone and 0:06:26.680 --> 0:06:28.680 looked for it, but I would have done a lot 0:06:28.720 --> 0:06:32.040 of online sleuthing just to sort of poke around because 0:06:32.080 --> 0:06:34.400 it's kind of fun. Treasure hunts are neat Well, yeah, 0:06:34.520 --> 0:06:36.440 that was the cool thing about this too, is like 0:06:37.880 --> 0:06:41.039 you could do a lot of it through online sleuthing 0:06:41.240 --> 0:06:42.960 and you could just kick back and like join the 0:06:43.000 --> 0:06:45.039 forums and help out like that. But if you had 0:06:45.080 --> 0:06:48.679 your own salves is what they're called, where you figure 0:06:48.720 --> 0:06:51.920 out different solutions to the clues UM and you put 0:06:51.920 --> 0:06:54.680 them all together. That's a solve, and you know, different 0:06:54.680 --> 0:06:58.560 people had multiple solves UM. To prove whether it was 0:06:58.560 --> 0:07:00.880 correct or not, try to find the you had to 0:07:00.880 --> 0:07:04.480 actually get out there and look follow the solve that 0:07:04.520 --> 0:07:07.000 you would come up with UM, And so a lot 0:07:07.040 --> 0:07:09.000 of people did do that, and I think that's really 0:07:09.040 --> 0:07:10.760 cool because it drew a lot of people out to 0:07:10.840 --> 0:07:15.040 the Rockies, and the Rockies are indeed quite beautiful they are. Uh, 0:07:15.120 --> 0:07:18.560 should we talk about the man himself? I think we should. Man. Yeah. 0:07:18.640 --> 0:07:22.880 So Forest fen f E double n FO double R 0:07:23.520 --> 0:07:27.960 as Well was born in Texas and he was always 0:07:27.960 --> 0:07:30.280 into the great outdoors. Apparently when he was a kid, 0:07:30.320 --> 0:07:33.200 they used to vacation at Yellowstone National Park and it 0:07:33.240 --> 0:07:36.400 really made a pretty big impact on him. He went 0:07:36.400 --> 0:07:38.480 through high school and then joined the Air Force and 0:07:38.480 --> 0:07:42.360 became a pilot. Uh served in Vietnam, and after about 0:07:42.360 --> 0:07:46.920 twenty years of service in the military, got out, moved 0:07:46.920 --> 0:07:50.200 to Santa Fe, New Mexico, and got into the art 0:07:50.360 --> 0:07:53.400 dealer business, which is something he really didn't know anything 0:07:53.400 --> 0:07:57.520 about it first. No, but he, I guess, had started 0:07:57.560 --> 0:08:02.120 collecting art um even though he wasn't like a particularly 0:08:02.400 --> 0:08:05.480 enthused by art itself. But he liked the business of 0:08:05.600 --> 0:08:07.400 art and art collecting. I think he liked the art 0:08:07.440 --> 0:08:10.040 world and um, I get the impression also that it 0:08:10.080 --> 0:08:12.960 brushed up against celebrities and you could, you know, get 0:08:13.320 --> 0:08:15.760 rich people to part with their money pretty easily. So 0:08:16.360 --> 0:08:17.880 sure that has something to do with it. Yeah, I 0:08:17.880 --> 0:08:19.960 think he really liked that a lot. Um. One thing 0:08:19.960 --> 0:08:22.120 I do want to say, I saw about his time 0:08:22.120 --> 0:08:24.840 in Vietnam was that he said that he had flown 0:08:25.000 --> 0:08:28.640 three hundred and twenty eight combat missions in three hundred 0:08:28.680 --> 0:08:31.320 and forty eight days while he was there, which is 0:08:31.360 --> 0:08:34.800 just astounding. And then apparently that drove him to become 0:08:34.800 --> 0:08:37.920 a pacifist because he after he left the military, he 0:08:38.000 --> 0:08:42.520 became a certified self proclaimed pacifist from from Fur the 0:08:42.520 --> 0:08:45.559 rest of his life from what I understand, Yeah, which 0:08:45.800 --> 0:08:48.160 that quite a few Vietnam vets went down that path. 0:08:48.920 --> 0:08:52.360 I've heard a lot of those stories. So he uh 0:08:52.760 --> 0:08:56.880 moves to Santa Fe in ninety two, and like you said, 0:08:56.920 --> 0:08:59.600 by that time, he had already collected some art. What 0:08:59.640 --> 0:09:03.319 he would you is go out and buy art from 0:09:03.440 --> 0:09:06.640 um little known artists and then up sell it, which 0:09:06.679 --> 0:09:09.600 is I guess the whole nut racket. But that's the 0:09:09.640 --> 0:09:12.960 business of art collecting, as you buy low hopefully and 0:09:13.040 --> 0:09:17.400 sell high, right. And uh. He specialized in Native American 0:09:17.520 --> 0:09:21.360 art and also artifacts and opened the Aerosmith Finn Gallery 0:09:21.360 --> 0:09:25.560 with his partner Rex Aerosmith. Um. Eventually he just became 0:09:25.679 --> 0:09:29.439 the Finn Galleries with his wife Peggy, and he sold 0:09:29.520 --> 0:09:32.480 art for you know, about eight or nine years. UM. 0:09:32.559 --> 0:09:34.520 While he kept selling art, but in eight or nine 0:09:34.559 --> 0:09:37.720 years he started uh selling it to really famous people 0:09:37.760 --> 0:09:39.559 and was making a lot of money doing it. Yeah, 0:09:39.559 --> 0:09:42.160 and he would actually he had a pretty cool tactic actually, 0:09:42.679 --> 0:09:45.680 um where you know, if you were of some certain 0:09:45.760 --> 0:09:50.160 level of rich or famous, he would put you up 0:09:50.200 --> 0:09:53.280 at his gallery, which is, you know, a compound which 0:09:53.320 --> 0:09:55.560 had lots of guest houses that were filled with art 0:09:55.559 --> 0:09:57.960 and everything was for sale, and um he would just 0:09:58.040 --> 0:10:01.960 kind of like, uh bathe you in luxuriousness while also 0:10:02.040 --> 0:10:06.079 simultaneously trying to to sell you art. Um. So he 0:10:06.080 --> 0:10:10.199 he seemed to have been living a pretty kush lifestyle 0:10:10.280 --> 0:10:12.400 in Santa Fe for a while, and he was making like, 0:10:12.800 --> 0:10:15.320 I think grossing back in the eighties six million a 0:10:15.400 --> 0:10:18.920 year um in eighties money too, which is you know, 0:10:19.040 --> 0:10:21.840 that's a lot of cheese for somebody who just came 0:10:21.840 --> 0:10:23.600 into the art world because he said, I guess I'll 0:10:23.640 --> 0:10:26.640 go try this next. You know, the dirtiest money too. 0:10:27.120 --> 0:10:29.600 It's pretty dirty. Yeah, And a lot of people are 0:10:29.640 --> 0:10:33.200 like that guy is no hero. He's very widely celebrated, 0:10:33.200 --> 0:10:37.640 but a lot of um Native American communities, including I 0:10:37.679 --> 0:10:41.360 believe the Pueblo, UM, say, you know, this guy is 0:10:41.400 --> 0:10:44.400 a plunderer. And archaeologists too are not a big fan 0:10:44.440 --> 0:10:48.320 of him either, because he would excavate UM, you know, 0:10:48.400 --> 0:10:51.800 our archaeological sites, but without any documentation whatsoever. He just 0:10:51.840 --> 0:10:53.960 wanted to get to the artifacts and then he would 0:10:53.960 --> 0:10:56.360 take it and sell it. He would he would ruin 0:10:56.640 --> 0:11:00.839 an archaeological site UM to to get to the art 0:11:00.960 --> 0:11:03.360 and then make some money off of it. So he 0:11:03.400 --> 0:11:07.760 didn't have He wasn't beloved universally in that sense, for sure. 0:11:07.800 --> 0:11:11.520 It's worth pointing out. Yeah, I mean the FBI actually 0:11:11.559 --> 0:11:16.319 investigated him. They did an undercover operation where an informat, 0:11:16.679 --> 0:11:20.080 a wired informat just like you seen the movies, went 0:11:20.080 --> 0:11:22.800 over to his house. I assume sort of posing is 0:11:23.440 --> 0:11:27.360 some kind of a rich art collector, and he was 0:11:27.440 --> 0:11:30.280 like here, like, look at all this cool stuff, like 0:11:30.520 --> 0:11:33.079 here's some eagle feathers, which I'm not supposed to have, 0:11:33.720 --> 0:11:37.240 and here's some human hair from antiquity, and here's some 0:11:37.360 --> 0:11:41.959 chain mail and some prehistoric sandals and a basket and 0:11:41.960 --> 0:11:44.280 and don't tell anyone, but I'm not supposed to have 0:11:44.320 --> 0:11:48.120 any of this stuff. And after the raid UH in 0:11:48.160 --> 0:11:51.959 two thousand nine, apparently no charges were brought. It says 0:11:52.440 --> 0:11:56.040 in our article that UM people assume that the artifacts 0:11:56.040 --> 0:11:59.360 were hidden or sold, but he had stuff confiscated, so 0:11:59.440 --> 0:12:02.440 there was definitely only some of it there. And I'm 0:12:02.440 --> 0:12:05.760 just not sure why no charges were ever levied against him. 0:12:05.760 --> 0:12:08.680 He was a part of a bigger um investigation with 0:12:08.720 --> 0:12:11.120 a lot of people, but that might have something to 0:12:11.160 --> 0:12:13.360 do with it. I have no idea that well, he 0:12:13.440 --> 0:12:18.080 seems to have been slick and rascally like in the 0:12:18.120 --> 0:12:21.960 way that you know, those kind of people attract admirers 0:12:22.080 --> 0:12:24.720 far and wide and tend to like get off the 0:12:24.760 --> 0:12:29.080 hook in situations that other people necessarily wouldn't. So who knows. 0:12:29.480 --> 0:12:32.440 I have no idea exactly why he wasn't prosecuted if 0:12:32.440 --> 0:12:34.760 he was, you know, caught with that kind of stuff, 0:12:34.800 --> 0:12:38.240 but it would kind of um be in step with 0:12:38.320 --> 0:12:41.959 his larger personality, which is, you know, I saw him 0:12:41.960 --> 0:12:46.320 compared to the Native American coyote archetype, you know, the 0:12:46.520 --> 0:12:49.280 kind of the trickster, the the slick when you can 0:12:49.280 --> 0:12:52.400 never quite pin down. He definitely had a thread of 0:12:52.400 --> 0:12:56.080 that going through him, if not that being like you know, 0:12:56.559 --> 0:12:59.880 his main trait. Yeah, I mean, he was definitely extent 0:13:00.040 --> 0:13:03.160 rick He kind of flouted the rules of the art world. 0:13:04.000 --> 0:13:05.720 He thought they were kind of stagy and he was 0:13:05.720 --> 0:13:08.320 going to do his own thing. Um. Apparently in his 0:13:08.400 --> 0:13:11.080 galleries he had signs that said please touch the art, 0:13:11.520 --> 0:13:16.560 we are responsible. Um. He sold Master forgeries like as 0:13:16.640 --> 0:13:20.080 Master forgeries and basically said, hey, if you like the painting, 0:13:20.120 --> 0:13:23.200 by the painting the real fakes of those people who 0:13:23.800 --> 0:13:26.320 just by it because of the real signature of the 0:13:26.400 --> 0:13:31.040 real artist, which is interesting. Um. And he said he 0:13:31.080 --> 0:13:35.160 had a roster full of celebrities Jessica Lang, Michael Douglas, 0:13:35.679 --> 0:13:39.880 Steve Martin, Robert Redford, and as everyone knows, the largest 0:13:40.000 --> 0:13:43.160 art collector on the planet, Suzanne Summers. Yeah, who he 0:13:43.240 --> 0:13:47.000 was trying to help find a Georgia O'Keefe. Um. And 0:13:47.040 --> 0:13:50.960 I don't from a profile of him and People magazine 0:13:51.440 --> 0:13:54.040 that that hadn't been successful yet. But who knows what 0:13:54.120 --> 0:13:56.960 the nineties brought. You know. Well, she had that thime 0:13:56.960 --> 0:13:59.920 Master money, so yeah, she was rolling in the thime 0:14:00.000 --> 0:14:04.600 as her money. She wasn't hurt. Um. So so Forest 0:14:04.679 --> 0:14:06.880 Fin is kind of going along living his life just 0:14:07.120 --> 0:14:10.559 being Forrest Fin from what I can tell. And he 0:14:10.640 --> 0:14:14.840 was diagnosed with cancer. His father had had developed cancer 0:14:15.440 --> 0:14:19.880 and uh, when when Forrest was younger, and his father 0:14:19.960 --> 0:14:25.560 decided that rather than UM undergo uh potentially losing battle 0:14:25.680 --> 0:14:29.720 with with cancer, UM, he would take his own life. 0:14:29.760 --> 0:14:31.800 So he took a bunch of sleeping pills and he died. 0:14:32.520 --> 0:14:35.640 And Forrest Uh decided he wanted to do the same. 0:14:35.760 --> 0:14:38.960 But rather than like his father dying at home, he 0:14:39.080 --> 0:14:42.680 knew of a spot that he wanted to die in 0:14:42.680 --> 0:14:45.440 in the rockies, and so his idea was he was 0:14:45.480 --> 0:14:48.600 going to put together a chest of treasure uh, and 0:14:48.640 --> 0:14:50.600 when the time came, he was going to walk out 0:14:50.680 --> 0:14:53.840 to this spot, UH, take a bunch of sleeping pills himself, 0:14:53.920 --> 0:14:56.400 and lay there and die. And then at some point 0:14:56.520 --> 0:15:00.680 somewhere sometimes somebody was going to come along, probably and 0:15:00.800 --> 0:15:05.280 find this treasure chest being clutched by an old skeleton. 0:15:05.680 --> 0:15:08.640 That was his idea. But the whole idea kind of 0:15:08.640 --> 0:15:12.800 took a left turn, Chuck, because he actually got better. 0:15:13.080 --> 0:15:16.080 He didn't he didn't die from cancer. He actually beat it. 0:15:16.400 --> 0:15:17.800 And I think that came as a bit of a 0:15:17.800 --> 0:15:24.000 surprise to him. Yes, I imagine pretty pleasant surprise. Uh. 0:15:24.000 --> 0:15:26.640 So he wrote a self published memoir called The Thrill 0:15:26.720 --> 0:15:33.760 of the Chase Publishing, and he um In it contained 0:15:33.760 --> 0:15:37.120 a poem with six rhyming stanzas printed on the map 0:15:37.160 --> 0:15:39.360 of the Rockies. And I think we should take a 0:15:39.400 --> 0:16:04.520 break and read this poem right after this. All right, 0:16:05.400 --> 0:16:08.480 Fenn has written a poem, and I think we should 0:16:08.480 --> 0:16:12.080 just read it. You want to take turns? Oh? Sure? 0:16:12.280 --> 0:16:14.720 Are we going to do our voices like the Halloween episode? 0:16:14.840 --> 0:16:18.840 Or you can do whatever you want to know? I agree, 0:16:18.840 --> 0:16:21.720 we'll skip that one. I'm not going to read it 0:16:21.720 --> 0:16:26.120 as Sammy Davis Jr. You want to go first to me? Uh, 0:16:26.440 --> 0:16:29.000 dealer's choice. Okay, I'm gonna go you ready, all right? 0:16:29.640 --> 0:16:32.280 As I have gone alone in there and with my 0:16:32.400 --> 0:16:36.360 treasures bold, I can keep my secret ware and hint 0:16:36.520 --> 0:16:42.880 of riches new and old. My turn, Ye begin it 0:16:43.080 --> 0:16:46.880 where warm waters halt. That's the first clue of where 0:16:46.920 --> 0:16:49.400 to start, by the way, and take it in the 0:16:49.480 --> 0:16:53.240 canyon down not far but too far to walk. Put 0:16:53.280 --> 0:16:57.480 in below the home of Brown Capital b. Yeah, that's 0:16:57.480 --> 0:16:59.920 a big one. From there, it's no place for the me. 0:17:00.400 --> 0:17:03.560 The end is ever drawing nigh. There'll be no paddle 0:17:03.640 --> 0:17:08.400 up your creek, just heavy loads and water high. If 0:17:08.440 --> 0:17:11.600 you've been wise and found the blaze, look quickly down 0:17:11.920 --> 0:17:16.159 your quest to cease, but Terry scant with marvel gaze, 0:17:16.840 --> 0:17:20.760 just take the chest and go in peace? Okay. Uh 0:17:20.800 --> 0:17:23.000 so why is it that I must go and leave 0:17:23.040 --> 0:17:26.400 my trope for all to seek the answers? I already 0:17:26.440 --> 0:17:31.240 know I've done it, tired, and now I'm weak and finally, 0:17:31.840 --> 0:17:34.400 so hear me all and listen, good, your effort will 0:17:34.440 --> 0:17:36.879 be worth the cold if you are brave and in 0:17:36.960 --> 0:17:40.840 the wood, I give you title to the gold. This 0:17:40.920 --> 0:17:43.800 is really exciting, I gotta say, sure, especially the back 0:17:43.840 --> 0:17:47.080 and forth. You know, I'm really appreciative of us doing 0:17:47.119 --> 0:17:51.560 that was a really amazing literary device. So what this 0:17:51.720 --> 0:17:55.879 was was a very cryptic poem about this treasure that 0:17:56.000 --> 0:18:00.560 he's hidden, and uh, it was a real treasure, like 0:18:00.600 --> 0:18:03.080 you said it was. I mean some people say possibly 0:18:03.160 --> 0:18:06.920 up to three million dollars worth of golden loot. Um. 0:18:07.040 --> 0:18:09.960 I imagine just being a part of the fin treasure 0:18:10.280 --> 0:18:12.440 makes it even more valuable at auction. So who knows 0:18:13.359 --> 0:18:16.240 what it would fatch? You know? Yeah, I think, um, 0:18:16.280 --> 0:18:19.280 from what I've seen that there's a pretty wide belief 0:18:19.359 --> 0:18:24.320 that the treasure sold intact as the finn Treasure, would 0:18:24.320 --> 0:18:27.919 be worth way more than its estimated market value of 0:18:27.920 --> 0:18:31.480 the combined parts. Oh totally. There's some rich person that's 0:18:31.560 --> 0:18:33.480 just like, I want to have this in my house. 0:18:34.000 --> 0:18:36.880 I'll pay ten million bucks for it. Uh, we should 0:18:36.920 --> 0:18:41.680 say the box itself was actually a treasure as well, right, Yeah, 0:18:41.680 --> 0:18:45.600 it was a twelfth century bronze treasure chest basically, I 0:18:45.600 --> 0:18:49.280 think a ten inch by ten inch treasure chest or chest. 0:18:49.640 --> 0:18:51.879 The fact that it contained treasure made it a treasure 0:18:51.960 --> 0:18:54.159 chest by definition, but I don't know if that's what 0:18:54.280 --> 0:18:56.840 it was originally built for. But yeah, it's a remarkable 0:18:56.880 --> 0:18:59.920 looking box just just on its own. It's the kind 0:19:00.080 --> 0:19:04.080 of heft and size and just shape that you would 0:19:04.119 --> 0:19:08.000 imagine opening and being like, wow, there's hundreds of rare 0:19:08.040 --> 0:19:12.400 gold coins among other things in here. Yeah, so, uh, 0:19:12.680 --> 0:19:17.040 rare gold coins, um two gold nuggets supposedly as big 0:19:17.080 --> 0:19:19.399 as a hen's egg. That that's pretty neat to look at, 0:19:19.440 --> 0:19:23.720 I imagine. And then artifacts like pre Columbian figurine, some 0:19:23.880 --> 0:19:28.520 jade carvings from China, antique jewelry, emeralds, rubies, like the 0:19:28.600 --> 0:19:30.600 kind of thing that you would open up in. I 0:19:30.640 --> 0:19:32.040 think he you know, he wanted a bit of a 0:19:32.040 --> 0:19:35.200 wow factor and not just like a stack of cash. Yeah, 0:19:35.240 --> 0:19:38.040 well apparently he was originally going to put thousand dollar 0:19:38.119 --> 0:19:42.320 bills in there, but but yeah, but he was like, 0:19:42.520 --> 0:19:44.240 I don't know when this thing is going to be found, 0:19:44.240 --> 0:19:47.240 and who knows what kind of you know, uh, what 0:19:47.359 --> 0:19:50.040 kind of shape those those that paper currency is going 0:19:50.080 --> 0:19:53.040 to be in. And also he's like, who knows if 0:19:53.080 --> 0:19:55.639 there'll be banks accepting that kind of currency any longer. 0:19:55.720 --> 0:20:00.480 So he decided to put in more, um, everlasting treasures 0:20:00.520 --> 0:20:03.320 like gold and things like that. So he takes this 0:20:03.520 --> 0:20:06.959 box chuck and this treasure chest. He goes to the 0:20:07.000 --> 0:20:10.880 spot somewhere in the Rockies where he he was he 0:20:10.920 --> 0:20:13.320 wont he was going to go lay down and die, 0:20:13.880 --> 0:20:15.800 but rather than lay down and die, he just leaves 0:20:15.840 --> 0:20:19.760 the chest there, comes back, publishes this book and then 0:20:20.080 --> 0:20:22.080 you know, let's everybody know about it. And it takes 0:20:22.080 --> 0:20:23.959 a few years to catch on because I believe he's 0:20:23.960 --> 0:20:26.639 self published the book. Um, so he didn't have a 0:20:26.720 --> 0:20:29.200 lot of marketing behind it. But word of mouth started 0:20:29.200 --> 0:20:32.600 to spread that there was a man from Santa Fe 0:20:32.640 --> 0:20:35.479 who claimed to have put a two million dollar treasure 0:20:35.560 --> 0:20:38.879 chest out in the woods somewhere and had published a 0:20:38.960 --> 0:20:42.159 poem that that contained all the clues you needed to it, 0:20:42.720 --> 0:20:46.920 and so people started really getting into this, right, Yeah, 0:20:46.960 --> 0:20:49.440 I mean he didn't um. He gave away a few 0:20:49.480 --> 0:20:52.600 extra little clues, but basically said, the clues are in 0:20:52.640 --> 0:20:56.320 this poem. Uh. There are nine of them. They are 0:20:56.440 --> 0:21:00.199 listed in consecutive order, and they are you know, there 0:21:00.240 --> 0:21:02.080 are a series of steps that you have to take, 0:21:02.840 --> 0:21:06.520 um starting with that second stanza. Um. He did also 0:21:06.560 --> 0:21:09.440 say it's somewhere in the rocky mountains between Santa Fe 0:21:09.600 --> 0:21:14.400 and Canada. Another big clue was that it's an elevation 0:21:14.440 --> 0:21:17.040 of about five thousand feet, so that that's a big 0:21:17.040 --> 0:21:19.040 one that rules a lot of stuff out. And then 0:21:19.080 --> 0:21:22.080 this last extra clue is also pretty big. He said, 0:21:22.119 --> 0:21:24.720 it's not in a mine or in a graveyard or 0:21:24.800 --> 0:21:27.600 near any man made structure. And he said that last 0:21:27.640 --> 0:21:30.159 part from what I saw, because people were starting to 0:21:30.640 --> 0:21:34.719 do really dumb things and and going for really far afield. 0:21:35.359 --> 0:21:38.320 And he kept reminding people because so this is something 0:21:38.320 --> 0:21:42.080 that kind of um emerged from from reading about this stuff. 0:21:42.480 --> 0:21:46.959 He became part of this community. People would call him up, 0:21:47.000 --> 0:21:50.120 they'd text him, they'd email him, like he became friends 0:21:50.160 --> 0:21:53.800 with a lot of the most hardcore searchers. Um. And 0:21:53.840 --> 0:21:56.280 you know, sometimes they would ask him for clues or 0:21:56.359 --> 0:21:58.879 hints and he would just ghost him. But others just 0:21:58.960 --> 0:22:00.679 were kind of like, you know, I'm sitting in this 0:22:00.720 --> 0:22:03.880 one spot and you know, thinking of you right now 0:22:03.960 --> 0:22:06.760 because you you sent me here through this. This treasure 0:22:06.840 --> 0:22:08.720 hunter just wanted to thank you. Like he became a 0:22:08.760 --> 0:22:11.480 friend to a lot of these people. Um. But the 0:22:11.560 --> 0:22:16.240 one thing he kept saying to this crowd was, I 0:22:16.280 --> 0:22:20.760 was eighty years old carrying a forty pound treasure chest 0:22:21.320 --> 0:22:24.640 when I went out to this place, Like like, this 0:22:24.720 --> 0:22:26.480 is not a place where you have to climb up 0:22:26.760 --> 0:22:30.119 any sort of precipice or go down a precipice. Um, 0:22:30.160 --> 0:22:33.880 it's not that hard to get to. Just remember, like, 0:22:33.960 --> 0:22:35.760 it's the kind of place that an eighty year old 0:22:35.800 --> 0:22:38.560 man carrying a treasure chest weighing forty pounds can get 0:22:38.600 --> 0:22:41.520 to by himself because there was no one there. There 0:22:41.520 --> 0:22:45.280 were no witnesses, um. And it was just his word 0:22:45.320 --> 0:22:47.200 that this was actually there that people had to take 0:22:47.240 --> 0:22:51.000 it for for you know, on face value. Yeah, one 0:22:51.040 --> 0:22:55.840 of his friends supposedly saw what he claimed was the 0:22:55.920 --> 0:22:58.920 treasure chest in his walking close at once. But that's 0:22:58.960 --> 0:23:01.520 kind of the only verification and that this wasn't some 0:23:01.600 --> 0:23:03.920 big hoax. I think people took him at his word. 0:23:04.720 --> 0:23:07.240 And you know, if you're gonna figure something like this out, 0:23:07.280 --> 0:23:09.720 you have to start. If you don't get that first 0:23:09.720 --> 0:23:12.440 clue right, then you might as well not even bother. 0:23:12.520 --> 0:23:15.240