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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyon, and this episode number sixty eight

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Speaker 1: Tay in the show, we're talking fall food plots, and

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Speaker 1: joining us is food plot expert John Cooner. All right,

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Speaker 1: welcome to the Wire to Hunt podcast, brought to you

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Speaker 1: by Sick of Gear. Now it is mid August today,

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Speaker 1: and for me and many other white tail hunters out there,

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Speaker 1: that means it's fall food plots season. So that being

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Speaker 1: the case, today we've got John Cooner, a food plot

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Speaker 1: expert from White Tail Institute, on the show of us

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Speaker 1: to fill us in on everything we need to know

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Speaker 1: to make sure our fall food plots are as beneficial

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Speaker 1: to our deer and deer hunting as possible. But before

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Speaker 1: we get to all that, Dan and I do have

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Speaker 1: some pretty exciting updates from this past weekend. We were

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Speaker 1: busy these past few days. When we're doing I would

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Speaker 1: say so cameras and tree stands and the hot, hot heat.

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Speaker 1: I was gonna say that was a pretty big part.

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Speaker 1: It was. It was terrible. I mean, when you when

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Speaker 1: you get out of bed and it's eighty two three

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Speaker 1: degrees that you know, seven in the morning, you know

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Speaker 1: it's going to be, uh, just a nasty day. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it seems like I don't know about you, but I

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Speaker 1: never picked days that are like sixty five and cloudy

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Speaker 1: seems that's ninety degrees and sunny. I never get the

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Speaker 1: good days. Right. The previous week the previous weekend here

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Speaker 1: and there was very low humidity and it was just

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Speaker 1: gorgeous out. And then the next weekend it's like mid

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Speaker 1: nineties with humidity. It sucked. I just I just was

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Speaker 1: dripping sweat. And you get to the point, I don't

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Speaker 1: know if you've ever done this, where you have your

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Speaker 1: if it was cooler oute you didn't, you wouldn't have

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Speaker 1: Or like when you're twenty ft up in the tree,

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Speaker 1: a screwing peg and it's like one of those like

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Speaker 1: piece of your soul dies. That's kind of what I felt.

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Speaker 1: But regardless of us, you know, basically complaining about how

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Speaker 1: hot and terrible it was, we me and you both,

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Speaker 1: I have all this hard work is meant for something.

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Speaker 1: In our trail cameras showed that this weekend. That's the truth.

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Speaker 1: We had a good weekend for camera pools. I finally

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Speaker 1: got to pull a camera and have some good news

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Speaker 1: after months of hearing about yours. So I'm glad I

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Speaker 1: finally have something to talk about. Now. You got sons

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Speaker 1: duds like yeah j J and h Junkyard. I can't

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Speaker 1: He's a toad. Yeah there there I got you know,

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Speaker 1: as you saw online, four of my bucks from last

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Speaker 1: Um you know the infamous Glenn I didn't. My issue

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Speaker 1: Kenyon he's up there too, I mean he is, although

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Speaker 1: But I mean, I haven't even posted pictures of one, two, three,

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Speaker 1: I mean, we're having this bat and we're, um, you know,

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Speaker 1: right and I see him. You know, he's got that back,

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Speaker 1: so freaking tough and what they I mean, the mosquitoes

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Speaker 1: could put in in rows of planted pines, which is,

427
00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:25,840
Speaker 1: by the way, as a killer set up. I still

428
00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:29,240
Speaker 1: use it today. And I tried one of their products

429
00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:32,119
Speaker 1: that uh that would do the same thing, or no

430
00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:34,800
Speaker 1: our no plow, and it did better than anything that

431
00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:36,399
Speaker 1: I could have put in there. And that was my

432
00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:40,080
Speaker 1: first first connection with him, and things just moved along,

433
00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:43,120
Speaker 1: and after a few years I ended up coming here

434
00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:45,360
Speaker 1: to work and I've been here for ash I guess

435
00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:48,320
Speaker 1: love them twelve years. Wow. So what exactly do you

436
00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:50,879
Speaker 1: do for them now? A little bit of everything. My

437
00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:53,680
Speaker 1: title is Director of Special Projects because I was sort

438
00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:55,480
Speaker 1: of like, I don't know if you've seen that commercial

439
00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:57,679
Speaker 1: with Mikey. You know, they said give it to Mikey,

440
00:22:57,920 --> 00:22:59,639
Speaker 1: let him try. And I'm sort of im sort of

441
00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:02,800
Speaker 1: Mike here. I do everything from uh talking to customers

442
00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:05,959
Speaker 1: on the phone, maybe doing a TV show and you know,

443
00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:10,240
Speaker 1: helping just answering questions, writing articles, lots of different things.

444
00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:13,679
Speaker 1: Even gotten into the uh They've tossed me into the

445
00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:17,680
Speaker 1: outdoor photography and videography part of it. And I'll tell you,

446
00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:21,000
Speaker 1: I'm fifty seven years old, and after trying to learn this,

447
00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:23,960
Speaker 1: I now understand why my eight five year old mother

448
00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:28,920
Speaker 1: refuses to even try to turn on a computer. Yeah,

449
00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:31,680
Speaker 1: that's understandable. That stuff can be tough for all of us.

450
00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:36,080
Speaker 1: I I certainly had my share of tech difficulties over

451
00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:41,680
Speaker 1: the years too. Um So that said, you've been working

452
00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:43,240
Speaker 1: with food plots a long time, You've been working with

453
00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:46,479
Speaker 1: the White Tail Institute a long time. I'm curious just

454
00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:48,600
Speaker 1: you know, kick things off here in a little bit

455
00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:51,560
Speaker 1: of an interesting foot With all your experiences with food plots,

456
00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:54,480
Speaker 1: all you're hunting in and around them, is there any

457
00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:58,040
Speaker 1: hunt on a food plot or near food plot or

458
00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:00,679
Speaker 1: there was you know, revolved around food thought that stands

459
00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:03,040
Speaker 1: out to you as your most memorable food plot related

460
00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:08,600
Speaker 1: hunt for a deer? Yes, probably so. Actually it was.

461
00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:12,720
Speaker 1: It was in a crop field. It was a soybean field.

462
00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:16,119
Speaker 1: It had been recently harvested. It's been about uh fift

463
00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:18,919
Speaker 1: twenty years ago. And I can make a long story

464
00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:21,920
Speaker 1: very short if I can. But it was a time

465
00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:25,159
Speaker 1: of morning when you're looking through your binoculars and you

466
00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:28,600
Speaker 1: could just start to see a little bit of light,

467
00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:32,320
Speaker 1: and it's changing so quickly that you you know. I looked,

468
00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:34,320
Speaker 1: I had forgotten some of the truck, run back to

469
00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:36,200
Speaker 1: get it, came back. It was glass in this field,

470
00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:38,800
Speaker 1: and I thought I saw something move, and stopped and

471
00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:41,080
Speaker 1: blinked my eyes and looked, and I could tell there

472
00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:44,399
Speaker 1: was something out there. I could see the difference between

473
00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:47,920
Speaker 1: the black trees and the lighter, cuddled colored dirt out

474
00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:49,760
Speaker 1: there a couple of hundred yards, and I could see

475
00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:53,040
Speaker 1: something moving. So I just shut every, dropped my pack

476
00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:56,439
Speaker 1: and and got set up prone and realized after the

477
00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:58,680
Speaker 1: shot that I had dropped in a big mud puddle.

478
00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:01,760
Speaker 1: And no, I didn't even real but by the time

479
00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:04,280
Speaker 1: I got on the scope, I could see two uh

480
00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:08,959
Speaker 1: deer moving across the across the the fields, say, you know,

481
00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:13,399
Speaker 1: kind of coloring away from me, almost quartering away from me.

482
00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:15,560
Speaker 1: And I could tell that the one in back had

483
00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:18,600
Speaker 1: something on its head. So I got dialed in, and

484
00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:20,720
Speaker 1: by the time I got back at everything ready and

485
00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:24,000
Speaker 1: all all tied in, I could see it had something

486
00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:26,840
Speaker 1: pretty substantial on top of its head. Back. Then I

487
00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:29,600
Speaker 1: was shooting a three hundred Weatherby and uh, the m

488
00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:32,919
Speaker 1: O was just horribly expensive. So that got me into reloading,

489
00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:36,680
Speaker 1: and so I ended up shooting a really really nice

490
00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:39,359
Speaker 1: buck for down here. He was pretty nice buck for

491
00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:44,120
Speaker 1: me generally, he's about a hundred and thirty five whitetail. Uh,

492
00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:46,760
Speaker 1: and took him down with a with a hand loaded nozzler.

493
00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:49,560
Speaker 1: But what got me about it was, is we down

494
00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:52,280
Speaker 1: here it's so warm that we tried to hang him

495
00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:54,320
Speaker 1: in a cooler as soon as we can. And on

496
00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:56,160
Speaker 1: this place we had the back of an old milk

497
00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:58,760
Speaker 1: truck that we hooked up to a battery system, and

498
00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:00,959
Speaker 1: and it was it was it was our deer cooler.

499
00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:03,560
Speaker 1: And I got clean a field, dressed a deer and

500
00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:06,120
Speaker 1: hung him in the cooler and then took him out

501
00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:08,400
Speaker 1: three days later and drove into town and put him

502
00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:11,800
Speaker 1: on a cattle scale. He was a pounds. He's a

503
00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:14,280
Speaker 1: pretty big deer. And what really got me though, was

504
00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:17,320
Speaker 1: at that particular place. This is a while back we

505
00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:20,600
Speaker 1: were on the The state of Alabama has a has

506
00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:23,439
Speaker 1: a dough harvest program. They come in and do a

507
00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:25,119
Speaker 1: survey and see what you have and they give you

508
00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:27,800
Speaker 1: a dough tags. But one of the requirements is that

509
00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:30,480
Speaker 1: it is that you have to submit the jawbones of

510
00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:32,880
Speaker 1: the deer that you take so that they can see

511
00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:35,080
Speaker 1: what the age structure is. And when they got that one,

512
00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:37,400
Speaker 1: the comment was, you need to quit killing your three

513
00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:40,920
Speaker 1: and a half year old deer. I just went, holy crap.

514
00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:43,720
Speaker 1: It was the biggest deer I've ever seen down here.

515
00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:46,800
Speaker 1: But he was he was young, he was young. We've

516
00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:49,919
Speaker 1: got him. Wow. So, you know, we actually haven't had

517
00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:52,000
Speaker 1: a whole lot of people from you know, this part

518
00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:54,359
Speaker 1: of the country that you're from on the show. But

519
00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:56,400
Speaker 1: I get a lot of our listeners who've got who

520
00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:58,399
Speaker 1: hunt down in the southern part of the country and

521
00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:01,640
Speaker 1: that they're looking for, you know, some advice from from

522
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:03,399
Speaker 1: guys in their areas. Some since we've got you on

523
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:06,480
Speaker 1: the line, I'm curious, you know, what do you see

524
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:09,320
Speaker 1: as some of the biggest differences between hunting down in

525
00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:11,679
Speaker 1: Alabama are different places like that compared to what some

526
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:13,679
Speaker 1: of us might be experiencing up in the Midwest. You know,

527
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:15,800
Speaker 1: are your tactics you know the same, or are you're

528
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:17,560
Speaker 1: doing some things that are a little bit different because

529
00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:20,159
Speaker 1: of the changes are the different type of situations you

530
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:22,320
Speaker 1: have done there? Now, I'm probably not going to be

531
00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:24,680
Speaker 1: able to give you much in the way of tactics

532
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:26,719
Speaker 1: because there are the people out there who know a

533
00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:28,919
Speaker 1: lot more about daring hunting than I than I do.

534
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:31,600
Speaker 1: But i will tell you one major difference I've even

535
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:34,480
Speaker 1: the planning. Respect to planning is that you know, you

536
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:37,000
Speaker 1: have perennials and annuals that you can plant in your

537
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:41,080
Speaker 1: food plot. Perennials or plants that your plan and they

538
00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:44,040
Speaker 1: should last several years from a single planning with a

539
00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:47,960
Speaker 1: little maintenance Mother Nature's cooperation. And annuals are things that

540
00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:51,560
Speaker 1: you plant that will last for part of a calendar year. Um.

541
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:54,280
Speaker 1: I've noticed that down here in the South, most people

542
00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:58,240
Speaker 1: plant their perennials in the fall, whereas in the Midwest

543
00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:00,680
Speaker 1: and especially up north, they tend to plan him in

544
00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:03,400
Speaker 1: the spring. That's probably the biggest difference from a planning

545
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:06,760
Speaker 1: planning perspective. I see, so why is that? Why? Why

546
00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:11,280
Speaker 1: is that different? Timing better for each reason? There could

547
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:14,240
Speaker 1: be a number of reasons. I really don't know. Uh,

548
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:16,800
Speaker 1: I don't know why the difference is so big. Because

549
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:20,960
Speaker 1: you can plant perennials down here in the south. Uh,

550
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:24,320
Speaker 1: it's it's a little bit more difficult to get your

551
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:27,560
Speaker 1: weight control done because you can't you know, spray before

552
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:30,320
Speaker 1: you do it. Uh. And my guess would be at

553
00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:33,560
Speaker 1: least in the far north, is that it just gets

554
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:35,680
Speaker 1: so cold so quickly that people like to have a

555
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:38,040
Speaker 1: little extra growing growing time before they got to hit

556
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:41,080
Speaker 1: that bad weather. I got you, that makes sense. So

557
00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:44,000
Speaker 1: I guess taken a step back then, you know, if

558
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:48,320
Speaker 1: we've got a listener maybe who his want to plant

559
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:51,320
Speaker 1: a food plot before, he just hasn't done it yet.

560
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:53,840
Speaker 1: A fall food plot seems that probably an annual seems

561
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:56,160
Speaker 1: like something that maybe is you know, manageable for him

562
00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:58,160
Speaker 1: or her um. But but they don't really know where

563
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:00,440
Speaker 1: to start for that guy or girl, you know, what

564
00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:02,960
Speaker 1: are some of the main things they need to be

565
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:06,480
Speaker 1: thinking through first? What are those initial steps that they

566
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:09,320
Speaker 1: need to begin going through once then that decision to

567
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:12,320
Speaker 1: do it. The first tip I can give them is,

568
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:16,120
Speaker 1: don't forget. This is supposed to be fun. It's not

569
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:18,240
Speaker 1: supposed to be a pain. And it's not a pain,

570
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:20,680
Speaker 1: and it's not rocket science. I mean, if I can

571
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:23,520
Speaker 1: do it, anybody can do it. If you're not really

572
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:25,880
Speaker 1: sure what you're what you're doing, you want to just

573
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:27,280
Speaker 1: kind of dabble in it, or you don't have a

574
00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:30,720
Speaker 1: lot of equipment, you can find annual forages that you

575
00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:33,280
Speaker 1: can put out uh in the fall that will take

576
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:36,040
Speaker 1: you all the way through season. They'll do a very

577
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:37,480
Speaker 1: good job for you. And I'll tell you what I

578
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:39,880
Speaker 1: found more than anything else, is that once somebody has

579
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:44,760
Speaker 1: success in with food plots, not just I'm talking about

580
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:47,520
Speaker 1: in growing the plot, and when they see what the

581
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:50,720
Speaker 1: difference uh it makes in their hunting, they tend to

582
00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:53,520
Speaker 1: get the kind of path themselves on the back. And

583
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:55,840
Speaker 1: you know, when they get old, like me, you get

584
00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:58,520
Speaker 1: to the point where if a big, really nice big

585
00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:02,000
Speaker 1: buck walks out, I'm probably gonna shooting. But I enjoy

586
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:04,960
Speaker 1: sitting in the stand and looking out at my field

587
00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:06,840
Speaker 1: that I grew and I go, man, I made that.

588
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:11,440
Speaker 1: It's really cool, which that they can do it so easily. Uh.

589
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:13,960
Speaker 1: One of the one of the things, uh that really

590
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:16,840
Speaker 1: will help though, once you start getting into it, is

591
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:19,720
Speaker 1: the most important thing you can do is a laboratory

592
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:24,080
Speaker 1: soil titness. And we hammer and hammer and hammer about that. Uh.

593
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:26,480
Speaker 1: It is so critical for a couple of reasons. One

594
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:29,440
Speaker 1: is for soil p s. That's the most important. This

595
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:31,560
Speaker 1: was a big light bulb that came on in my

596
00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:34,840
Speaker 1: head when I first understood this that I went, oh,

597
00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:38,040
Speaker 1: my gosh, used to be we plan a food plot.

598
00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:40,840
Speaker 1: Didn't look too good. Throw some more fertilizer on it.

599
00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:45,360
Speaker 1: When I finally figured out what soil pH means, I

600
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:48,480
Speaker 1: guess is the word it really turned on the light

601
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:51,520
Speaker 1: bulb for me. It's basically a measurement of how well

602
00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:54,080
Speaker 1: a plant can get nutrients out of the soil. Okay,

603
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:58,080
Speaker 1: and different plants have different ranges that are that are

604
00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:00,719
Speaker 1: optimum for most high quality or for it just like

605
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:04,200
Speaker 1: to have soil pH around six point five to seven

606
00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 1: point point five, right, and then we'll just call that

607
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 1: neutral for our purposes. Um, most fallow soils are lower

608
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:13,320
Speaker 1: than that. There is citic. And what happens is this,

609
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 1: the lower the soil pH goes below the optimum range

610
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:22,480
Speaker 1: for the plant the plants you're putting in, the more

611
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:24,800
Speaker 1: the nutrients and the soil are bound up in the

612
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:27,320
Speaker 1: way the plants can access them. And I'll give you

613
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:30,200
Speaker 1: I'll give you an example of how that works. Let's

614
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:33,520
Speaker 1: say you had a soil with a food plot with

615
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:37,280
Speaker 1: soiled with the soil pH of five point and uh,

616
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:39,240
Speaker 1: you went out there and you bought a hundred bucks

617
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:42,760
Speaker 1: worth the fertilizer, put it out and planted high quality

618
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:45,840
Speaker 1: deer forage. You might as well have just taken fifty

619
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:49,080
Speaker 1: dollars and thrown it down the drain because the plants

620
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:54,360
Speaker 1: can't get about half the nutrients in the fertilizer. It's

621
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:57,480
Speaker 1: like you and I are plants were sitting high sitting

622
00:31:57,520 --> 00:31:59,400
Speaker 1: at the table. This is an analogy I came up

623
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 1: when I saw somebody grabbed it for an article one day.

624
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:04,480
Speaker 1: But and so it's apparently pretty good. It's like you

625
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:07,000
Speaker 1: and I are sitting at a table. It's full of food,

626
00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:10,240
Speaker 1: and the food is fertilized when the when the temperature,

627
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 1: let's say is is an optimum range for us and

628
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 1: that's the and nowgins the soil pH We are free

629
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:19,480
Speaker 1: to eat just as much as we want. But then

630
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:22,880
Speaker 1: when we start dropping down below that, we get wire

631
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 1: in our jaws. And the farther below that we go,

632
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:29,400
Speaker 1: the tighter that wire gets, and it happens pretty quickly.

633
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:32,200
Speaker 1: Most fellow soils five is five point was pretty low,

634
00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:35,040
Speaker 1: but mid fives, that's that's not unusual at all. It's

635
00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:38,280
Speaker 1: quite common. And you're just you're just losing a whole

636
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:41,240
Speaker 1: bunch of money. And you, I mean soil tests. Lab

637
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:45,480
Speaker 1: soil tests are are something like ten fifteen bucks a piece,

638
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:50,680
Speaker 1: and you usually end up saving hundreds of bucks h

639
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:56,400
Speaker 1: a acre in in lamb and fertilizer expenses by getting

640
00:32:56,400 --> 00:33:00,920
Speaker 1: exactly what you need and not wasting a dime getting

641
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:04,480
Speaker 1: lime and fertilizer that you really don't need. And that's

642
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:06,600
Speaker 1: what the soil test tells you. It's a good idea

643
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 1: to decide what you're gonna plan for you put it out,

644
00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:12,160
Speaker 1: allow the soil test, and tell the lab what you'll

645
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:14,640
Speaker 1: be planning. In that way, they can very precisely tailor

646
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:17,680
Speaker 1: their recommendations to you for you so you get everything

647
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:19,800
Speaker 1: you need, don't spend a time, you don't need. You

648
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:24,160
Speaker 1: rest assured that with mother Nature's cooperation you plan it right,

649
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:27,120
Speaker 1: it's gonna do everything it can do, and all the

650
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:29,320
Speaker 1: money you can keep in your wallet is gonna stay there.

651
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:33,480
Speaker 1: So is that your main tool then to help you

652
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 1: decide what you should be planning? But when no, no, no,

653
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:39,240
Speaker 1: not to decide what you're going to be planning. Uh.

654
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:41,680
Speaker 1: And that's a very good point. You want to try

655
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:44,480
Speaker 1: to figure out what you're planning before you do the

656
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:47,360
Speaker 1: soil test. Now, you can do the soil test first,

657
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:50,960
Speaker 1: but if you don't right on the submission form what

658
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:53,480
Speaker 1: you're going to be planning, then the lab is gonna

659
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:55,680
Speaker 1: take a gas. They'll usually just give you a recommendation

660
00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:58,680
Speaker 1: for grains, but if you can write on there what's

661
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 1: you're planning, then they can tailor it uh to that

662
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:06,240
Speaker 1: specific forage. And all all forages don't don't take the

663
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:10,000
Speaker 1: same fertilizers. Some may need different fertilizers, and it all

664
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:13,680
Speaker 1: depends on what you're planning and the profile of the

665
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:17,040
Speaker 1: soil in your plot. Some soils will hold lamb and

666
00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:20,359
Speaker 1: fertilizer better than others, which is why the probes that

667
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:22,680
Speaker 1: you see those little do it yourself. Probes and slurries.

668
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:26,120
Speaker 1: They can be accurate. Uh, sometimes they're not because they're

669
00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 1: subject to human error. Um, but they I've never seen

670
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:33,680
Speaker 1: one of those yet. It gives you a specific recommendation.

671
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:36,799
Speaker 1: If it comes back soil pH is exactly this put

672
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:38,799
Speaker 1: on exactly this amount of line. It will give you

673
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:41,799
Speaker 1: a range, but it can't be exact because part of

674
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:45,440
Speaker 1: that depends on the profile of the soil in your plot.

675
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:48,560
Speaker 1: And so by doing a lab soil test, it's gonna

676
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:51,920
Speaker 1: be about the same amount of money. It's very very simple.

677
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:55,759
Speaker 1: Qualified lab will tell you what you need, and it

678
00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:58,800
Speaker 1: just is. It's the closest thing to alchemy, to making

679
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:02,040
Speaker 1: money out of nothing e or sing. So So then

680
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:04,359
Speaker 1: I guess the step that needs to proceed that then

681
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 1: you just mentioned is then deciding what it is you

682
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:09,719
Speaker 1: want to plant. So that process, I mean, if there's

683
00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:12,280
Speaker 1: any one question that I get more from people about

684
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:14,319
Speaker 1: food plots, it's something related to that. So you know,

685
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:16,640
Speaker 1: what should plant in this situation or what's the best

686
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:18,560
Speaker 1: thing I can plan in Michigan or whatever state? And

687
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:21,759
Speaker 1: I know from my own experience that answer varies dramatically

688
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:23,680
Speaker 1: based on goals and a whole lot of different things.

689
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:26,359
Speaker 1: But that's absolutely right. Yes, But could you walk our

690
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:28,880
Speaker 1: listeners through the process or the questions they should be

691
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:31,320
Speaker 1: thinking through on how they should decide on what to

692
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:33,440
Speaker 1: plant right now? If you want to go out and

693
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:36,120
Speaker 1: hit a food plot for the first time, uh, you

694
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:38,959
Speaker 1: know we have we have products and other folks do

695
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:41,960
Speaker 1: do to that do very well. That you can literally

696
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:43,919
Speaker 1: come out and just kind of clean off the dirt

697
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:46,239
Speaker 1: enough to where the seed won't land in the grass head.

698
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:48,319
Speaker 1: It will bake it down to the dirt and rough

699
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:49,680
Speaker 1: it up a little bit with the rake and put

700
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:52,799
Speaker 1: some fertilizer and seed on it, and you're rocking. You

701
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:54,719
Speaker 1: can do well. Man. If you are getting into a

702
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:57,680
Speaker 1: little more, Uh, if you have a bigger property, say,

703
00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:02,719
Speaker 1: you might want to run excuse me, run perennials and annuals.

704
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:06,480
Speaker 1: Usually people will start out a real thumb anywhere from

705
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 1: sixties seventy perennials, run the rest of the annuals. Uh.

706
00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 1: You want to decide what you're gonna put in each plot.

707
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:15,799
Speaker 1: That's the first step. Test the soil. Next thing is

708
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:17,680
Speaker 1: you want to get your line in the ground. If

709
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:20,759
Speaker 1: your soil pH is low and you've told the lab

710
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:23,320
Speaker 1: what you're gonna be planning. You'll have a very specific

711
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:26,680
Speaker 1: recommendation as to how much lime to put out. I've

712
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:28,760
Speaker 1: heard people say, oh, it takes a year for soil

713
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 1: phs to come up. Well it can, and that's a

714
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:34,160
Speaker 1: that's a pretty rare case. Usually, if you get the

715
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 1: line out there and you disk it in, uh it

716
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 1: you know, real well thoroughly, you get it thoroughly incorporated

717
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:42,920
Speaker 1: in the soil. A couple of months in advance is

718
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:45,839
Speaker 1: plenty of time you can get that going up now.

719
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 1: As as for what you're gonna plant, that's gonna depend

720
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:51,719
Speaker 1: with our products. What we do is we try to

721
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:56,240
Speaker 1: build products for specific circumstances. Like if you want a perennial,

722
00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 1: we've got imperio YTL clover. It's number one food plot

723
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:02,520
Speaker 1: plant in the world. Uh. It's made for bottom land,

724
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:05,880
Speaker 1: for soil. They can hold moisture pretty well. Uh and

725
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:08,439
Speaker 1: it's pretty flat side. On the other end of these,

726
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:11,920
Speaker 1: the spectrum for perennials, we have extreme and it can

727
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:14,080
Speaker 1: be grown in a good soil or a lighter soil

728
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:17,000
Speaker 1: that's well drained. So you need to look at the

729
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:21,319
Speaker 1: plot and then understand what type plants will grow best

730
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 1: in that sort of drainage and moisture holding capacity, and

731
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:27,440
Speaker 1: if you warnt for cool season, warm season, you're around

732
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:31,160
Speaker 1: that kind of thing and then pick them like that. Okay, now,

733
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:35,480
Speaker 1: Dan over there, you haven't planned food plots. I've been

734
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:37,560
Speaker 1: planning food plots now four or five years, and so

735
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:39,440
Speaker 1: this stuff I've read a lot about it. These things

736
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 1: all kind of makes sense to me. But for someone

737
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:44,080
Speaker 1: who maybe doesn't have that same experience, I'm curious after

738
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:46,399
Speaker 1: hearing all the stuff that John has said, is there

739
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:48,440
Speaker 1: anything that you're like, I still don't get what he's

740
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:50,560
Speaker 1: saying about this, or there are questions you have because

741
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:51,839
Speaker 1: I want to make sure for there are listeners who

742
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:54,880
Speaker 1: aren't as food plot experience that they're that they're registering

743
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 1: all these things. Is there anything that you need some

744
00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:59,479
Speaker 1: more clarification on when it comes to that stuff? Well,

745
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:01,080
Speaker 1: and you know, I have a lot of questions, But

746
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:05,920
Speaker 1: the first thing that pops into my head is I

747
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:10,799
Speaker 1: feel that you know, I you know someone who says

748
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:12,880
Speaker 1: they have a food plot and I reread into it

749
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 1: or I look into it and they typically have a

750
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 1: four wheeler with a disk or they have you know,

751
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:21,839
Speaker 1: a little bit more money to put into it other

752
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:24,879
Speaker 1: than what I would have to put into it, which

753
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 1: would be a rake in my own time. So, you know,

754
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:32,040
Speaker 1: I feel that people can get a little overwhelmed with

755
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:36,400
Speaker 1: the starting and you know you've mentioned soil samples and

756
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:38,680
Speaker 1: making sure that there's lime, which you know, all that

757
00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 1: stuff costs money, and then fertilizer and then seed. What's

758
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:48,680
Speaker 1: a what's a basic misconception that I guess beginner food

759
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:52,160
Speaker 1: food plot ists like myself? You know, if the next

760
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:54,480
Speaker 1: if I decided to do a food plot some year,

761
00:38:55,320 --> 00:39:00,759
Speaker 1: what's a basic misconception that would rid the year? So

762
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:06,800
Speaker 1: to speak? The biggest misconception is that it's difficult. Yeah,

763
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:10,600
Speaker 1: it really isn't. Let me just give you a kind

764
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:13,520
Speaker 1: of a one to three. Uh, if you're gonna start

765
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:16,120
Speaker 1: out doing food plots, you've got a piece of property

766
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 1: you want to want to put in a food plot system,

767
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 1: You're gonna do it the same way, pretty much the

768
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:25,240
Speaker 1: same way, whether you've got twenty acres or eight hundred acres.

769
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:29,560
Speaker 1: The first thing is you decide, uh, how many plots

770
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:31,239
Speaker 1: you want? How much acreage do you want to put

771
00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:34,880
Speaker 1: in food plots? A lot of people and larger properties,

772
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:37,080
Speaker 1: they may put five or ten percent of the property.

773
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:40,560
Speaker 1: And food plots have big, central, centrally located plots, a

774
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:44,319
Speaker 1: little hunting plots, but decide how much acreage you're gonna

775
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:47,280
Speaker 1: devote to it. On a smaller property, and may be simple.

776
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:49,400
Speaker 1: You may be saying, I'm gonna plan here is it's

777
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 1: the only place I've got, But look for other places

778
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:55,160
Speaker 1: that you might not be thinking of, such as is

779
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:57,920
Speaker 1: there a power line or or gas gas right away?

780
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:00,800
Speaker 1: Going through there? You can usually plant those. This is

781
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:03,400
Speaker 1: something we were talking about the other day. Is that

782
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:06,600
Speaker 1: is that? Uh? Another thing to do is to look

783
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:09,160
Speaker 1: if you've got, you know, pretty good heavy woods on

784
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:12,960
Speaker 1: your property, just find places where the sunlight makes it

785
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:16,239
Speaker 1: to the ground for three or four hours. If you

786
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:19,240
Speaker 1: can find spots like that, you've got a food plot site.

787
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:21,719
Speaker 1: And you know, granted, you want to have enough room.

788
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:24,560
Speaker 1: We generally say, and this is just a ballpark, it

789
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:26,640
Speaker 1: can it can be different depending on a lot of

790
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:29,400
Speaker 1: different situations, but generally you want to start with a

791
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:33,520
Speaker 1: minimum plot size of about about five thousand square feet,

792
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:35,600
Speaker 1: basically the gold line to the ten yard line on

793
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:39,560
Speaker 1: football field. You start getting much below that, you run

794
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 1: a risk of of of kind of early overgrazing. But

795
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:45,359
Speaker 1: that's a that's a good starting point to start with.

796
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:48,400
Speaker 1: And if if you're walking through the woods and you

797
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:50,920
Speaker 1: find a place where the dapple sunlight comes through, but

798
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:53,719
Speaker 1: you don't have quite that much room, Hey, it doesn't

799
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 1: have to be in one contiguous piece of piece of ground.

800
00:40:57,400 --> 00:40:59,319
Speaker 1: It can be sort of off a little bit off

801
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:01,120
Speaker 1: to the left here, a little bit off to the right.

802
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:04,799
Speaker 1: Anything you can do like that that adds uh, adds

803
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:07,400
Speaker 1: a feeling of safety for the deer. Heck, it's even better.

804
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:10,280
Speaker 1: So find your stand site on the down wind corner

805
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:12,600
Speaker 1: of these little spots and then plant four or five

806
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:14,600
Speaker 1: of them in the woods. That's a great way to

807
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:17,680
Speaker 1: do that. Once you know uh where your plots are

808
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 1: gonna be, then decided what you're gonna plant in each plot,

809
00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:24,920
Speaker 1: do a soil test laboratory soil test for each plot.

810
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:27,440
Speaker 1: Don't do one for the whole property, do one for

811
00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:30,439
Speaker 1: each plot. You'd only need to do more than that

812
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:33,920
Speaker 1: if you have a larger plot where they're obviously soiled

813
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:37,040
Speaker 1: differences like you've got a say, a sandy bank coming

814
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:39,960
Speaker 1: down to a black bottom and sold in one plot,

815
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:42,680
Speaker 1: you might want to do do two in that, but

816
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:46,440
Speaker 1: for most cases one lab soil test is enough. Be

817
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:48,880
Speaker 1: sure and put on the report what you're gonna be planning.

818
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:52,879
Speaker 1: Our soil test kit, I like a lot is. It's

819
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:55,799
Speaker 1: a full laboratory soil test kit, but we restructure the

820
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:58,840
Speaker 1: report so it doesn't have all those extra numbers and

821
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:02,120
Speaker 1: uh percent is just that farmers need that we really don't.

822
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:06,080
Speaker 1: It's very simple. Uh. It lays out as a bar graph,

823
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:08,239
Speaker 1: shows you what's in the soil, and then it even

824
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:11,920
Speaker 1: makes recommendations on the second page about how to fulfill

825
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 1: the recommendations with commonly available bag fertilizers. That's the next step.

826
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 1: You want to get out there and get the line worked,

827
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:23,200
Speaker 1: and preferably a few months before you plan. UM. Then really,

828
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:26,839
Speaker 1: just if you're planning a product like ours or any

829
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:29,919
Speaker 1: other you know, food plot company is probably I guess

830
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:31,840
Speaker 1: they do. They're gonna have instructions on the back of

831
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:34,840
Speaker 1: the bag like we do, and they'll tell you in

832
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:38,680
Speaker 1: there about how to plant and wind to planet UM.

833
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:41,400
Speaker 1: One point about that too, is when you look at

834
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:45,320
Speaker 1: at least our instructions, they're pretty short. And again I

835
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:48,400
Speaker 1: have not seen anybody else's instructions. So I don't know

836
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:50,799
Speaker 1: if there's a short or not, but uh, you know,

837
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:52,839
Speaker 1: when you're deciding what you want to do, be sure

838
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 1: you follow those instructions step by step in order. It's

839
00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:58,000
Speaker 1: very simple to do. They're not hard to do, but

840
00:42:58,120 --> 00:43:01,160
Speaker 1: we structured them with this send mind. The last thing

841
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 1: we want somebody to do is to walk up and

842
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:06,680
Speaker 1: grab them White Tail Institute Forwarage Product, flip it over

843
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:09,120
Speaker 1: on the back and see a list of instructions that's

844
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:12,520
Speaker 1: so long and tedious that the customer's gonna go forget

845
00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:15,920
Speaker 1: this and go get tweet rhyanos. So we keep it

846
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:19,400
Speaker 1: very short, very sweet. Uh, but you get to follow

847
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:21,880
Speaker 1: them in order. And that also means that every step

848
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:24,399
Speaker 1: that's on there is important. It may just be five

849
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:27,239
Speaker 1: six seven things on there, but if you skip one

850
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:29,880
Speaker 1: of them, it can shoot you in the foot. So

851
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:32,279
Speaker 1: that's the other thing is just follow the instructions on it.

852
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:34,200
Speaker 1: And then if you have a perennial be sure you

853
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:37,600
Speaker 1: do your perennial maintenance in the spring. And then even

854
00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:40,839
Speaker 1: when we do a do a food plot work up

855
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:42,799
Speaker 1: for somebody, I always tell them at the end, this

856
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 1: is the best that we could draft for you, now

857
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:47,799
Speaker 1: you need to watch what your dear do this year,

858
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:50,239
Speaker 1: because you'll probably want to tweak it based on what

859
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:53,279
Speaker 1: they do. It's always an ongoing experiment. That's part of

860
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:56,280
Speaker 1: the funt ofment. Yeah, I think, uh, I can definitely

861
00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 1: relate to that to you know, being the fact that

862
00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:01,839
Speaker 1: you're constantly learning for it. But it's just a matter

863
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:04,120
Speaker 1: of getting started, like getting your foot in the water,

864
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:06,960
Speaker 1: and then your your eyes kind of open to the

865
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:10,600
Speaker 1: possibilities and the fact that you know it's not so hard. Um.

866
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:13,920
Speaker 1: My first food plot, I was twenty one years old.

867
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:15,840
Speaker 1: I think I didn't have much money at all. I

868
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:18,239
Speaker 1: didn't have any land I owned, I didn't have any

869
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:20,440
Speaker 1: kind of equipment at all. So I had permission to

870
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:22,879
Speaker 1: hunt on a little property. I asked the lando er, Hey,

871
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:25,840
Speaker 1: there's this little corner over here or it's nothing less planted,

872
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:28,560
Speaker 1: any chance that I could plan something there? And he said, oh, sure,

873
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:30,440
Speaker 1: you know, how the heck you're gonna do that. I'm like, well,

874
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:32,720
Speaker 1: I'm not quite sure yet, but I'll figure it out.

875
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:35,560
Speaker 1: And I used I got a family member had a

876
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:38,319
Speaker 1: little like twelve inch wide push roader tiller that I

877
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:41,480
Speaker 1: got permission to use. Brought that over. I did a

878
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:45,279
Speaker 1: soil test. I got that that beat me to death

879
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:49,759
Speaker 1: try to do that. And I I the thought the

880
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:52,440
Speaker 1: food plot was so small that like the amount of

881
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:55,200
Speaker 1: fertilizer and lineman stuff that I needed. When I went

882
00:44:55,239 --> 00:44:57,759
Speaker 1: to U a grain miller or something to to get it,

883
00:44:57,840 --> 00:44:59,840
Speaker 1: they laughed at me when I asked for the amount,

884
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:02,840
Speaker 1: like I need a quarter pound of this, and I

885
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:06,479
Speaker 1: got laughed at um. But I got all the little

886
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 1: stuff I needed, and I got a bag of it.

887
00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:11,360
Speaker 1: It was no plow, and I dissed it up with

888
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:15,000
Speaker 1: a little road tilted up. I dragged a stick across

889
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:17,640
Speaker 1: it just to kind of tamp stuff down. I broadcast

890
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:20,680
Speaker 1: the seed, stamped on everything again, and you know, in

891
00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:22,960
Speaker 1: a week or two or whatever, it was unbelievably there

892
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:25,399
Speaker 1: was all this green, lush growth coming up. And that

893
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:28,520
Speaker 1: was just the coolest thing. Just seeing, like you said earlier, John,

894
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:31,160
Speaker 1: just seeing this field that I planted. It was a

895
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:34,560
Speaker 1: sense of accomplishment. It absolutely did. And even though it

896
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:36,920
Speaker 1: was super small, smaller than it was like an eighth

897
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:40,400
Speaker 1: acre or something. It was tiny. Um it actually you know,

898
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:43,200
Speaker 1: consistently drew dear to pass through that area. I had

899
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:46,640
Speaker 1: multiple shooter Bucks passed through there and it really helped. Um,

900
00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:49,320
Speaker 1: what should you discovered something that a lot of folks

901
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:52,640
Speaker 1: don't realize, you know, we we we often talk about

902
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:55,800
Speaker 1: the fact that that our forges are or are built

903
00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:58,920
Speaker 1: to be highly nutritious to help you grow bigger and

904
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:03,160
Speaker 1: better deer and so. But and yet we can still say,

905
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:06,480
Speaker 1: if you plant our food plots, are you plant somebody

906
00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:10,040
Speaker 1: else's high quality food plot product, you're gonna your your

907
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:13,239
Speaker 1: deer hunting is probably gonna improve the first year. Well

908
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:15,960
Speaker 1: how can we say that, because you know, the nutrition

909
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:18,400
Speaker 1: is not going to really get into them that quickly. No,

910
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:21,680
Speaker 1: but you're gonna draw deer. You're gonna draw deer from

911
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:25,600
Speaker 1: elsewhere and help make your uh, your property a place

912
00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:27,480
Speaker 1: that they want to go and hopefully stay if you

913
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:30,120
Speaker 1: do it the right way. So yeah, it can improve

914
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:32,960
Speaker 1: it that very first year. So I kint a question

915
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:35,520
Speaker 1: related then what you just said there. What's the minimum

916
00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:37,920
Speaker 1: size of a food plot that you would need to

917
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:40,640
Speaker 1: actually impact nutrition of your herd because you know, like

918
00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:43,319
Speaker 1: you just mentioned, like I mentioned, you can easily can

919
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:44,920
Speaker 1: really tell you that because a lot of it is

920
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:48,279
Speaker 1: gonna depend on deer density. Uh, you know, use a

921
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:50,319
Speaker 1: lot of the analogies. I've been asked that before, and

922
00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:52,920
Speaker 1: I say, well, it's like saying I got eight guys

923
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:55,000
Speaker 1: and a glass of water. How long is it gonna

924
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:57,480
Speaker 1: take them to go through the water? Well, how thirsty

925
00:46:57,560 --> 00:46:59,719
Speaker 1: are they? How big is the glass of water? You know,

926
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:02,560
Speaker 1: there's no way to really to really um that I

927
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:05,440
Speaker 1: can answer that. There you can probably find a wildlife

928
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:08,719
Speaker 1: biologist who can tell you give you some rough h

929
00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:13,560
Speaker 1: some some rough ideas. Uh. But also you have taken

930
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:16,600
Speaker 1: account what do they have to eat around you? You know,

931
00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:18,960
Speaker 1: is what you've planned on your place going to be

932
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:22,960
Speaker 1: a primary source of supplemental food for them? There are

933
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:25,799
Speaker 1: a lot of factors that go into it. Very that's

934
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:27,480
Speaker 1: a that's a very good point. I like the analogy

935
00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:31,360
Speaker 1: to um. So, then what if I live in farm country?

936
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:32,880
Speaker 1: And this is another question I get a lot. I

937
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:35,719
Speaker 1: live in egg land. There's lots of crowdfields all around me.

938
00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:38,160
Speaker 1: What's the point of planning food plots in that situation?

939
00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:40,200
Speaker 1: What do you say to that person? Oh, I'll tell

940
00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:43,160
Speaker 1: you what if you're in farm country? Uh, my hats

941
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:44,640
Speaker 1: off to you. I wish we had more of it

942
00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:46,480
Speaker 1: down here. That the deer I told you about that

943
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:49,279
Speaker 1: I shot that was unusually large for what what I

944
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:51,759
Speaker 1: had seen down here was in an area where you

945
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:56,920
Speaker 1: can drive and it's just soybeans, soybeans, soybeans forever. Uh,

946
00:47:56,920 --> 00:47:59,120
Speaker 1: And then they just out there choweling on this stuff.

947
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:02,080
Speaker 1: But the thing is, you know, think about this way.

948
00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:06,799
Speaker 1: Deer are always physiologically they're recovering from something, or they're

949
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:09,520
Speaker 1: doing something, or they're getting ready and they're getting ready

950
00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:13,400
Speaker 1: to do something, usually all three, so you know, and

951
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:15,360
Speaker 1: this is something else that we were talking about in

952
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:18,680
Speaker 1: our article meeting the other day was was how efficient

953
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:23,120
Speaker 1: u the farm farming has become in terms of of

954
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:26,440
Speaker 1: of getting the grain or fruit out of the field

955
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:29,160
Speaker 1: and having as little waste as possible. You know, they

956
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:31,640
Speaker 1: stalk shop things now instead of just just picking the

957
00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:35,319
Speaker 1: ends off the corn and things like that. So if

958
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:37,560
Speaker 1: the farmer coming if there, if the farmers come in

959
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:40,839
Speaker 1: there and harvest everything at the same time, that sort

960
00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:43,680
Speaker 1: of leaves a little bit of a break and what

961
00:48:43,719 --> 00:48:45,839
Speaker 1: the deer used to and they'll need to go find

962
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:49,240
Speaker 1: something else to eat. That's that's one issue. Um. Also,

963
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:52,400
Speaker 1: if there's a lot of one thing in the area,

964
00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:54,680
Speaker 1: food plot can give you a chance to give them

965
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:57,040
Speaker 1: something a little bit different, maybe something that they might

966
00:48:57,360 --> 00:48:59,840
Speaker 1: might prefer a little you know, a little better, not

967
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:03,680
Speaker 1: prefer better, but something that they might enjoy having as

968
00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:06,960
Speaker 1: a break, a little more attractive that way. It's a

969
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:09,880
Speaker 1: great point. That's a that's a big unique difference between

970
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:12,480
Speaker 1: deer and you know, other animals like a cow or something.

971
00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:15,760
Speaker 1: Because we dear like to browse. They like to selectively

972
00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:18,319
Speaker 1: pick different things based on what's the most palatable and

973
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:21,040
Speaker 1: like variety. Um. And that's one of the big things

974
00:49:21,120 --> 00:49:23,080
Speaker 1: I phone is that even though I'm surrounded by corn

975
00:49:23,080 --> 00:49:27,359
Speaker 1: and beans, I add these little dessert plots all over

976
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:29,759
Speaker 1: the place that even though it's tiny, and even though

977
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:31,839
Speaker 1: they've got tons of grain all around them, they hit

978
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:34,240
Speaker 1: these little spots because they want that change of pace.

979
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:37,120
Speaker 1: They want the ice cream. And I'll tell you another

980
00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:40,600
Speaker 1: thing you can do, um and this is this is

981
00:49:40,680 --> 00:49:43,439
Speaker 1: kind of a neat, dirty trick um up there where

982
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:45,280
Speaker 1: you are. I know a lot of folks plant corn.

983
00:49:46,080 --> 00:49:47,600
Speaker 1: But you can go in you know, if you go

984
00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:51,320
Speaker 1: into a field that maybe hasn't been it's been harvested,

985
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:53,640
Speaker 1: but maybe they haven't cut everything down all the way

986
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:56,560
Speaker 1: you can come in during your during your planning dates

987
00:49:56,880 --> 00:50:00,520
Speaker 1: and put winter dreens broadcast at or no plow just

988
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:03,040
Speaker 1: down on the ground with fertilizer, and provided he had

989
00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:07,399
Speaker 1: and use some horrible herbicide, you still get a real good,

990
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:11,360
Speaker 1: attractive foods horse in there with the remaining cover of

991
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:15,440
Speaker 1: the corn stalks. Really, so, how late could you get

992
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:18,200
Speaker 1: away with doing that? Oh? Boy? Good question? Um in

993
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:23,759
Speaker 1: a the uh, plenty of dates for on our website.

994
00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:26,040
Speaker 1: But I'll tell you in the far North, generally we

995
00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:28,200
Speaker 1: say you want to try to get winter greens in

996
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:30,759
Speaker 1: the ground about fifty days before you think you're gonna

997
00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:33,959
Speaker 1: get your first frost, So any time and there would

998
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:36,240
Speaker 1: be good. And I've I've seen people take that farther

999
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:38,080
Speaker 1: and this is a killer set up if you're gonna

1000
00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:41,040
Speaker 1: go plant corn just for the wildlife. Um. And this

1001
00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:43,040
Speaker 1: is a great idea with a lot of different things.

1002
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:45,680
Speaker 1: Our power plant work with us. Let's say you're gonna

1003
00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:49,160
Speaker 1: plant corn, go out there and plant in rows, but

1004
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:53,960
Speaker 1: think about the most commonly prevailing wind direction during hunting

1005
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:56,200
Speaker 1: season down here. It's usually out of the northwest, and

1006
00:50:56,239 --> 00:50:59,680
Speaker 1: we have weird winds. But you plan on northwest wind

1007
00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:02,239
Speaker 1: and then you find a place to put your stand,

1008
00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:04,600
Speaker 1: an area down where you're gonna hang it on the

1009
00:51:04,719 --> 00:51:07,360
Speaker 1: on the down wind corner or edge. Then you plant

1010
00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:10,840
Speaker 1: your corn rows radiating out from the stand so you

1011
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:13,880
Speaker 1: can see down them, maybe live a little little extra

1012
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:17,279
Speaker 1: a little extra space between them. Uh. And if it's

1013
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:19,440
Speaker 1: a round up ready corn that he's planted, you know,

1014
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:21,880
Speaker 1: they come in there and round up everything. Uh. And

1015
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:25,000
Speaker 1: then you still got the stalks standing up, and uh,

1016
00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:27,160
Speaker 1: you put the no plow or winter greens or something

1017
00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:30,360
Speaker 1: like that, plant that in between the roads, just broadcasted

1018
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:33,600
Speaker 1: and the deer had this great feeling of safety because

1019
00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:36,600
Speaker 1: they had this. Uh you know, there's the nice standing

1020
00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:39,799
Speaker 1: corn stalks everywhere and they don't know you're at the

1021
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:42,640
Speaker 1: other end with the rifle looking down the roads. So

1022
00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:45,640
Speaker 1: that's a real killer set up. That does sound pretty nice, Dan,

1023
00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:47,759
Speaker 1: would you like to set up like that? I would

1024
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:50,480
Speaker 1: love to set up like that. It's a dirty tree.

1025
00:51:50,520 --> 00:51:54,840
Speaker 1: I like dirty tree. I got a question in regards

1026
00:51:54,880 --> 00:52:00,360
Speaker 1: to UM. Oh, jeez, I think I've just forgot it. No, oh, no,

1027
00:52:00,560 --> 00:52:03,920
Speaker 1: here it is. UM. You know we talked about the

1028
00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:10,040
Speaker 1: deer's palate or heard nutrition. Is there a specific UM

1029
00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:13,680
Speaker 1: type of plant or food plot that a lot of

1030
00:52:13,719 --> 00:52:17,840
Speaker 1: people like to plant, but really don't give the deer

1031
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:24,720
Speaker 1: a ton of nutrition. Well, that's that's a good question.

1032
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:28,400
Speaker 1: There's some things are or have a higher nutritive nutritional

1033
00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:33,400
Speaker 1: content than others. Uh. I guess to answer that, I

1034
00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:35,080
Speaker 1: have to ask a question is what do you mean

1035
00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:39,480
Speaker 1: by nutrition? Because there's a misconception out there that protein

1036
00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:42,480
Speaker 1: year round is the king. And there's no doubt protein

1037
00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:45,520
Speaker 1: is important. I mean during the spring and summer, you know,

1038
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:50,359
Speaker 1: they're trying to grow antlers bill antlers college in which

1039
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:53,440
Speaker 1: is a protein and even the hardened amplers it's like

1040
00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:58,160
Speaker 1: fifty protein. But then when you get and start getting

1041
00:52:58,160 --> 00:53:01,200
Speaker 1: around until fall, protein is still important. But that's when

1042
00:53:02,200 --> 00:53:07,080
Speaker 1: when another uh nutrient or actually a product of nutrients.

1043
00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:10,600
Speaker 1: Matt Harper's and had worked here for a long time.

1044
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:13,719
Speaker 1: He's a good friend, and he describes it very well. Uh.

1045
00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:17,880
Speaker 1: He said that the energy becomes the king, and it's uh,

1046
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:21,440
Speaker 1: hopefully I'm getting his words right. But energy is a

1047
00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:24,000
Speaker 1: product of other nutrients like lipidge and fasts and things

1048
00:53:24,040 --> 00:53:27,440
Speaker 1: like that, and that becomes more important during the colder

1049
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:30,440
Speaker 1: months to keep the deer going, to keep them healthy.

1050
00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:33,480
Speaker 1: So you may have one plan that's very very high

1051
00:53:33,520 --> 00:53:37,120
Speaker 1: in carbohydrates that's great for planning for fall and winter,

1052
00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:40,040
Speaker 1: may not be as high in protein. So it kind

1053
00:53:40,040 --> 00:53:42,960
Speaker 1: of depends on on what season you're looking at and

1054
00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:46,399
Speaker 1: what the overriding needs are at the time. So then

1055
00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:49,080
Speaker 1: for for someone who's thinking about planning food plating now

1056
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:52,600
Speaker 1: and they're trying to focus on just that fall time frame, providing,

1057
00:53:52,840 --> 00:53:55,399
Speaker 1: you know, providing some type of helpful benefit to deer

1058
00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:57,640
Speaker 1: at that time, what would some of the different forages

1059
00:53:57,800 --> 00:54:01,560
Speaker 1: be that would fit that type of Oh, there there

1060
00:54:01,560 --> 00:54:03,680
Speaker 1: are a number of them. Uh. We have we have

1061
00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:07,400
Speaker 1: blends of different forages that that are are good for

1062
00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:11,120
Speaker 1: that time of year. But specific plant types. H Oats

1063
00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:13,160
Speaker 1: are very good. Fertilized doats. I don't know how it

1064
00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:15,480
Speaker 1: is where you are, but we've planned if wheat ryan

1065
00:54:15,560 --> 00:54:19,080
Speaker 1: oats here for for generations. And uh, it's it's my

1066
00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:22,479
Speaker 1: opinion just from my observation that of the three here,

1067
00:54:22,520 --> 00:54:25,040
Speaker 1: we'll walk through the other two to get the fertilized ducts.

1068
00:54:25,239 --> 00:54:27,879
Speaker 1: They'll just do it. Uh. And some oats are even

1069
00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:32,000
Speaker 1: better than others. Uh. For as a food plot product,

1070
00:54:32,040 --> 00:54:34,560
Speaker 1: we've got white tail oats. They're very high sugar oats.

1071
00:54:35,239 --> 00:54:37,960
Speaker 1: Oats tend to kind of get used up before before

1072
00:54:38,200 --> 00:54:41,360
Speaker 1: the real uh could weather comes in. And then you

1073
00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:45,520
Speaker 1: have brassickets. Brascas are are excellent. We've got two types.

1074
00:54:45,600 --> 00:54:48,360
Speaker 1: We've got the standard Braskas. We also have a lettuce

1075
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:51,200
Speaker 1: type brasket which is our winter dreens product. There's a

1076
00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:54,680
Speaker 1: lot more attractive earlier. In fact, they slamming it down

1077
00:54:54,680 --> 00:54:57,799
Speaker 1: here in Alabama in September, but it doesn't produce the

1078
00:54:57,800 --> 00:55:00,960
Speaker 1: tubers that are that our turnip product us so the

1079
00:55:01,640 --> 00:55:04,680
Speaker 1: turnips and the uh the break the other braskas let

1080
00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:09,360
Speaker 1: us Braskas or another excellent choice. You've also got gosh,

1081
00:55:09,360 --> 00:55:12,560
Speaker 1: there's so many different things you've got. You've got the

1082
00:55:12,600 --> 00:55:15,520
Speaker 1: winter peace and then you have you have shielding crops

1083
00:55:15,520 --> 00:55:20,120
Speaker 1: such as beats and things like that. So uh basically,

1084
00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:23,479
Speaker 1: if you go by, you know, put together your own mix,

1085
00:55:23,600 --> 00:55:26,000
Speaker 1: you need to look and see just look for cool

1086
00:55:26,080 --> 00:55:29,640
Speaker 1: season for just for deer. Uh. And if you buy

1087
00:55:29,640 --> 00:55:32,440
Speaker 1: a product, it should say on there whether it's for

1088
00:55:32,719 --> 00:55:36,360
Speaker 1: fall or for spring hours or whether it's a perennial. Yeah,

1089
00:55:36,520 --> 00:55:38,719
Speaker 1: I think I like, I like you're saying there. I

1090
00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:41,359
Speaker 1: have really found for me personally, I've tried a lot

1091
00:55:41,400 --> 00:55:43,400
Speaker 1: of different things, and you know, there's there's lots like

1092
00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:45,120
Speaker 1: you said, there's lots of options, and you can make

1093
00:55:45,160 --> 00:55:47,080
Speaker 1: your own blends, you can buy blends from companies like

1094
00:55:47,120 --> 00:55:50,040
Speaker 1: you guys um. But what what's worked really well for

1095
00:55:50,120 --> 00:55:51,960
Speaker 1: me is the first two things you mentioned. And now

1096
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:53,719
Speaker 1: this is what I do for all my fall food

1097
00:55:53,719 --> 00:55:57,800
Speaker 1: plots is I split them between your white tail oats

1098
00:55:57,840 --> 00:56:00,840
Speaker 1: which come up really fast and great and deer hammer

1099
00:56:01,080 --> 00:56:04,400
Speaker 1: from like September through October, and then they kind of

1100
00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:06,680
Speaker 1: fade off a little bit after that. But then I

1101
00:56:06,719 --> 00:56:09,200
Speaker 1: have the other half in their winter greens, those brassicas

1102
00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:11,160
Speaker 1: and there's some terms mixed in there, and they kill

1103
00:56:11,239 --> 00:56:14,120
Speaker 1: those from November through January. So I've got my entire season,

1104
00:56:14,600 --> 00:56:17,080
Speaker 1: you know, covered in these plots. And what I'm able

1105
00:56:17,080 --> 00:56:19,520
Speaker 1: to do then, because I kind of have a food

1106
00:56:19,520 --> 00:56:23,160
Speaker 1: plot location that pulls them consistently from September through January,

1107
00:56:23,200 --> 00:56:26,480
Speaker 1: I'm able to you know, see these consistent feed to

1108
00:56:26,520 --> 00:56:28,960
Speaker 1: bed patterns and then I may continue to hunt those

1109
00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:31,680
Speaker 1: throughout the entire season. And it's also nutritional for the

1110
00:56:31,680 --> 00:56:34,759
Speaker 1: deer and it's great for my hunting. UM that's another

1111
00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:38,000
Speaker 1: fun part of that. Since you're planning them separately instead

1112
00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:41,279
Speaker 1: of together, you can you can see which one's the

1113
00:56:41,360 --> 00:56:45,239
Speaker 1: deer hit at what times. Another thing I tell people is,

1114
00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:49,160
Speaker 1: if you find two or three things that look look

1115
00:56:49,239 --> 00:56:51,680
Speaker 1: interesting to you they're the same plant types, like say

1116
00:56:51,680 --> 00:56:55,200
Speaker 1: a clover, play them side by side and watch what

1117
00:56:55,280 --> 00:56:57,560
Speaker 1: the deer do. I tell people to do that with

1118
00:56:57,600 --> 00:57:00,320
Speaker 1: imperial clover all the time, and that to them to

1119
00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:02,080
Speaker 1: put hours out in the middle and put any other

1120
00:57:02,120 --> 00:57:04,960
Speaker 1: clover between our clover in the woods and watch what

1121
00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:08,040
Speaker 1: the deer do and do they always go to imperial clover?

1122
00:57:08,200 --> 00:57:12,799
Speaker 1: Of course not, but they do us enough that I'm

1123
00:57:12,800 --> 00:57:16,800
Speaker 1: pretty comfortable, uh, challenging people to do that because it's

1124
00:57:16,840 --> 00:57:19,320
Speaker 1: it's a real eye opener because once once somebody sees

1125
00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:23,040
Speaker 1: a deer go to something consistently and hit it and

1126
00:57:23,120 --> 00:57:25,640
Speaker 1: hit it and hit it and eat it down almost

1127
00:57:25,640 --> 00:57:27,560
Speaker 1: of the dirt and keep hitting it and it keeps

1128
00:57:27,600 --> 00:57:30,120
Speaker 1: growing and they won't leave it alone. Kind of has

1129
00:57:30,160 --> 00:57:32,640
Speaker 1: a way of of of of getting them, getting them

1130
00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:35,640
Speaker 1: settled that that there's a difference, and there is a difference. Yeah,

1131
00:57:35,720 --> 00:57:37,480
Speaker 1: that's pretty compelling if you see that kind of thing

1132
00:57:37,640 --> 00:57:42,280
Speaker 1: that's for sure. Now, what about design of your food plot?

1133
00:57:42,360 --> 00:57:44,800
Speaker 1: Like the actual you know what, the shape of the

1134
00:57:44,840 --> 00:57:46,880
Speaker 1: food plots. There's lots of different takes on this, lots

1135
00:57:46,920 --> 00:57:50,040
Speaker 1: of different ideas. But again, if I'm talking fall, and

1136
00:57:50,080 --> 00:57:52,520
Speaker 1: you know, if I'm thinking most fall food plots are

1137
00:57:52,520 --> 00:57:55,840
Speaker 1: more hunting focused food. Plus, do you have any designs

1138
00:57:55,920 --> 00:57:57,560
Speaker 1: or shapes of food plots that you really like or

1139
00:57:57,600 --> 00:58:00,480
Speaker 1: that you'd recommend, so of our listeners try out there

1140
00:58:00,840 --> 00:58:05,080
Speaker 1: there are several, at least several good shapes. But it's

1141
00:58:05,120 --> 00:58:08,120
Speaker 1: better to back up and think about the overall point

1142
00:58:08,240 --> 00:58:10,960
Speaker 1: you're going in, and that is to create a place

1143
00:58:11,040 --> 00:58:15,000
Speaker 1: that is not only attractive to deer, but also that

1144
00:58:15,080 --> 00:58:19,200
Speaker 1: they will feel as comfortable as possible using during daylight hours.

1145
00:58:20,280 --> 00:58:23,280
Speaker 1: And that begins not with the plot but the structure

1146
00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:25,240
Speaker 1: of the plot, but the location of the plot and

1147
00:58:25,480 --> 00:58:28,200
Speaker 1: then your access to it. Can you get to it?

1148
00:58:28,840 --> 00:58:32,080
Speaker 1: Uh in any wind direction? Uh? In some wind direction

1149
00:58:32,120 --> 00:58:34,000
Speaker 1: you may have three or four different approaches. I do

1150
00:58:34,600 --> 00:58:36,360
Speaker 1: uh so that you can get in and get out

1151
00:58:36,360 --> 00:58:39,840
Speaker 1: without getting busted, because if you get busted, it's over. Uh.

1152
00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:43,400
Speaker 1: So that's the main thing. Um as far as shapes go, Yeah,

1153
00:58:43,600 --> 00:58:46,520
Speaker 1: there's a. There's a one idea is an hour glass plot.

1154
00:58:46,640 --> 00:58:48,600
Speaker 1: That's one of the two I like a lot. One's

1155
00:58:48,600 --> 00:58:52,320
Speaker 1: an hourglass and these are generally in the woods. Uh.

1156
00:58:52,360 --> 00:58:55,200
Speaker 1: And the deer tend to kind of that. They'll they'll

1157
00:58:55,240 --> 00:58:58,360
Speaker 1: cross at the narrow part usually, or they'll cross across

1158
00:58:58,440 --> 00:59:00,880
Speaker 1: one of the loads and I put my stand kind

1159
00:59:00,920 --> 00:59:02,880
Speaker 1: of down toward the neck of it where I can

1160
00:59:02,920 --> 00:59:05,160
Speaker 1: cover it. Um. But a lot of times the deer

1161
00:59:05,160 --> 00:59:07,520
Speaker 1: will enter one lobe and kind of walk out look

1162
00:59:07,560 --> 00:59:10,000
Speaker 1: down the other side to see who's over there. That's

1163
00:59:10,040 --> 00:59:12,520
Speaker 1: a great set up. Another one is just an l

1164
00:59:12,600 --> 00:59:15,480
Speaker 1: shaped plot and it works great, great in the woods,

1165
00:59:15,600 --> 00:59:16,760
Speaker 1: or you can do it at the edge of the

1166
00:59:16,920 --> 00:59:19,840
Speaker 1: field when you have high grass and woods, because the

1167
00:59:19,840 --> 00:59:22,960
Speaker 1: deer feel comfortable kind of easing out into it. Long

1168
00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:25,880
Speaker 1: and skinny is always better. And wide and wide and fat.

1169
00:59:26,520 --> 00:59:28,800
Speaker 1: And here's another idea, and this will go back to

1170
00:59:29,000 --> 00:59:33,040
Speaker 1: the small plots we talked about earlier. Some folks are

1171
00:59:33,200 --> 00:59:36,520
Speaker 1: under the misconception that the ground has to be clear

1172
00:59:36,560 --> 00:59:40,120
Speaker 1: so that you can plan a food plot. That's not true. Um.

1173
00:59:40,240 --> 00:59:42,240
Speaker 1: I don't know who came up with this this term,

1174
00:59:42,320 --> 00:59:46,440
Speaker 1: but somebody referred to something called linear edge. And basically

1175
00:59:46,480 --> 00:59:49,640
Speaker 1: all that is is anywhere that the food plot, the

1176
00:59:49,720 --> 00:59:54,000
Speaker 1: planted part of the plot, butts up against real cover

1177
00:59:54,240 --> 00:59:56,480
Speaker 1: or something a deer would perceive is cover. It could

1178
00:59:56,520 --> 00:59:59,560
Speaker 1: be a thicket, uh, you know, ten rosa standing corn.

1179
01:00:00,200 --> 01:00:03,480
Speaker 1: But the more the more of that line that you

1180
01:00:03,600 --> 01:00:06,680
Speaker 1: have built into the plot, and then the safer the

1181
01:00:06,680 --> 01:00:10,000
Speaker 1: deer should feel. For instance, instead of having the plot

1182
01:00:10,080 --> 01:00:12,640
Speaker 1: square at the I just wander out. You don't have

1183
01:00:12,680 --> 01:00:14,760
Speaker 1: to straighten it out. If you've got to blow down

1184
01:00:14,760 --> 01:00:17,280
Speaker 1: in the plot, leave it there. Plan around the thing

1185
01:00:17,480 --> 01:00:20,800
Speaker 1: that's linear edge because it breaks up the deer's outline,

1186
01:00:20,920 --> 01:00:23,520
Speaker 1: and you know, you're not gonna lose much much planning

1187
01:00:23,560 --> 01:00:26,240
Speaker 1: space that way. If you've got a larger area, and

1188
01:00:26,280 --> 01:00:28,520
Speaker 1: I've seen folks do this, they'll come in there and

1189
01:00:28,560 --> 01:00:31,440
Speaker 1: they'll have you know, a good size field, you know,

1190
01:00:31,720 --> 01:00:34,760
Speaker 1: fifty acre field, and they'll come out there and just

1191
01:00:34,960 --> 01:00:39,160
Speaker 1: plan a big old postage postage stamp in one corner

1192
01:00:39,160 --> 01:00:40,520
Speaker 1: of it or even out in the middle, which is

1193
01:00:40,560 --> 01:00:42,680
Speaker 1: worth well, no deer is gonna walk out there unless

1194
01:00:42,680 --> 01:00:47,200
Speaker 1: it's the run maybe, Uh, But you can instead of

1195
01:00:47,200 --> 01:00:50,640
Speaker 1: doing that, think about the down when the thing again,

1196
01:00:50,760 --> 01:00:52,640
Speaker 1: you know, figure out where you're gonna be putting your

1197
01:00:52,640 --> 01:00:55,040
Speaker 1: stand if you're hunting on the plot, and plant in

1198
01:00:55,160 --> 01:00:58,360
Speaker 1: strips that radiate out from the stand like spokes of

1199
01:00:58,360 --> 01:01:01,440
Speaker 1: a wheel leaf. I don't eight ten state of something

1200
01:01:01,840 --> 01:01:04,560
Speaker 1: natural growing there that's tall enough to where the deer

1201
01:01:05,000 --> 01:01:07,280
Speaker 1: feels like he's, uh, you know, he's he's going to

1202
01:01:07,360 --> 01:01:09,920
Speaker 1: be safe and you can just look down the strips

1203
01:01:09,960 --> 01:01:11,640
Speaker 1: and that's that's a great way to do it. It

1204
01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:15,680
Speaker 1: really enhances a feeling of safety that deer have using it. Yeah,

1205
01:01:15,680 --> 01:01:18,040
Speaker 1: that's a great point. It's and tell me if you

1206
01:01:18,080 --> 01:01:20,120
Speaker 1: agree with this, But I think that something that I've

1207
01:01:20,160 --> 01:01:22,360
Speaker 1: done it's very similar to what you just said there

1208
01:01:22,400 --> 01:01:24,880
Speaker 1: is if I have a large area. For example, I

1209
01:01:24,960 --> 01:01:28,720
Speaker 1: had I opened up about a three four acre what

1210
01:01:28,800 --> 01:01:30,880
Speaker 1: it used to be just a kind of fallow grass field.

1211
01:01:31,040 --> 01:01:32,920
Speaker 1: I wanted to turn that into a food plot system

1212
01:01:32,960 --> 01:01:35,880
Speaker 1: this past year. And instead of you know, making that

1213
01:01:35,960 --> 01:01:38,920
Speaker 1: just one big giant food plot, what I mean giants

1214
01:01:38,960 --> 01:01:40,960
Speaker 1: relative term, three to four acres is a giant for me.

1215
01:01:43,120 --> 01:01:46,400
Speaker 1: It's a big area. Um. So instead of having one

1216
01:01:46,480 --> 01:01:49,120
Speaker 1: huge food plot, what I did is I planted a

1217
01:01:49,240 --> 01:01:52,080
Speaker 1: screening cover all around the outside and then I actually

1218
01:01:52,160 --> 01:01:54,440
Speaker 1: planned that through the inside too, and I broke this

1219
01:01:54,480 --> 01:01:57,400
Speaker 1: into three small pieces instead of one big plot. So

1220
01:01:58,000 --> 01:01:59,959
Speaker 1: these deer would like exactly like you said, they would

1221
01:02:00,040 --> 01:02:02,320
Speaker 1: feel like they're in a smaller area, they're closer to cover,

1222
01:02:02,360 --> 01:02:04,800
Speaker 1: there's lots of edge, and I think also might even

1223
01:02:05,080 --> 01:02:06,760
Speaker 1: you know from from smarter guys than me, and have

1224
01:02:06,880 --> 01:02:09,320
Speaker 1: told me that you know, that reduces some stress on

1225
01:02:09,360 --> 01:02:11,360
Speaker 1: the deer too, when they can't see the other, you know,

1226
01:02:11,480 --> 01:02:14,240
Speaker 1: seven deer in the other corners. I have had uh.

1227
01:02:14,760 --> 01:02:17,760
Speaker 1: Again again, I am not a honey expert, but I've

1228
01:02:17,760 --> 01:02:20,680
Speaker 1: had uh those who are tell me that, Yeah, that

1229
01:02:20,680 --> 01:02:25,280
Speaker 1: that's another another aspect of that is it helps individual

1230
01:02:25,400 --> 01:02:29,040
Speaker 1: bucks use different parts of the field with less stress

1231
01:02:29,040 --> 01:02:31,560
Speaker 1: because they're not eyeball to eyeball and that and they

1232
01:02:31,800 --> 01:02:33,840
Speaker 1: as long as there's something between them, it kind of

1233
01:02:33,880 --> 01:02:36,760
Speaker 1: makes a little more pleasant for them. Yeah, it definitely

1234
01:02:36,760 --> 01:02:39,080
Speaker 1: helped my situation. I think that, you know, I definitely

1235
01:02:39,120 --> 01:02:41,960
Speaker 1: wouldn't be seeing deer use that area during daylight if

1236
01:02:42,000 --> 01:02:44,320
Speaker 1: I just had one big, wide open field. But since

1237
01:02:44,360 --> 01:02:47,400
Speaker 1: I broke it down and since like enclosed the edge, um,

1238
01:02:47,440 --> 01:02:49,959
Speaker 1: I saw lots of daytime movement. I had matured deer

1239
01:02:50,040 --> 01:02:51,959
Speaker 1: using the area, and it made it for a fun

1240
01:02:51,960 --> 01:02:53,680
Speaker 1: place to sit and watch deer and to get a

1241
01:02:53,680 --> 01:02:58,640
Speaker 1: couple of hunts into. So absolutely. So let's say I've

1242
01:02:58,640 --> 01:03:02,080
Speaker 1: planned a food plot. I've out my first one figured out. I'm,

1243
01:03:02,400 --> 01:03:04,200
Speaker 1: you know, kind of getting the swing of things. Here's

1244
01:03:04,200 --> 01:03:06,800
Speaker 1: something that I've encountered, um as I've gotten now into

1245
01:03:06,880 --> 01:03:09,480
Speaker 1: years four or five six of my food plotting careers

1246
01:03:09,480 --> 01:03:12,160
Speaker 1: that I'm realizing now that um you know, these are

1247
01:03:12,160 --> 01:03:14,800
Speaker 1: some mistakes that made the past that I planted one

1248
01:03:14,840 --> 01:03:16,480
Speaker 1: thing and I really liked what I planned there, so

1249
01:03:16,480 --> 01:03:19,520
Speaker 1: I kept planning it year after year after year. Now

1250
01:03:19,560 --> 01:03:21,480
Speaker 1: I've started to see maybe that the food plow isn't

1251
01:03:21,520 --> 01:03:24,360
Speaker 1: coming in quite as well year three, year four or

1252
01:03:24,400 --> 01:03:26,680
Speaker 1: something like that. And I've read and I've I've learned

1253
01:03:26,720 --> 01:03:28,560
Speaker 1: some of the things that you might want to do,

1254
01:03:28,720 --> 01:03:31,760
Speaker 1: like rotating your crops. Is rotating your food plots? Is

1255
01:03:31,760 --> 01:03:35,920
Speaker 1: that important? And why is that important? So idiots uh

1256
01:03:36,360 --> 01:03:40,040
Speaker 1: Braskas Uh, the first things that come to mind. You

1257
01:03:40,160 --> 01:03:43,080
Speaker 1: don't want to plant them more than a year, maybe

1258
01:03:43,080 --> 01:03:45,080
Speaker 1: two years in a row in the same dirt without

1259
01:03:45,160 --> 01:03:47,840
Speaker 1: having a break. And we talked about a rotational crop

1260
01:03:48,320 --> 01:03:50,760
Speaker 1: all we're talking about is something that's an entirely different

1261
01:03:50,840 --> 01:03:53,400
Speaker 1: kind of plant. Like if you've got leg eames in there,

1262
01:03:53,720 --> 01:03:56,480
Speaker 1: maybe planting some grains and there's something totally different just

1263
01:03:56,520 --> 01:03:59,640
Speaker 1: for one growing season Braskas, you want to do that

1264
01:03:59,760 --> 01:04:02,360
Speaker 1: after for everyone, maybe two years, you want to go

1265
01:04:02,360 --> 01:04:07,800
Speaker 1: to something totally different. Um. Other things like clovers and

1266
01:04:07,840 --> 01:04:11,080
Speaker 1: things like that, they don't uh, most other plants don't

1267
01:04:11,120 --> 01:04:14,440
Speaker 1: have that sort of problem. But no matter what it is,

1268
01:04:14,480 --> 01:04:16,600
Speaker 1: if you've had the same thing growing in the same

1269
01:04:16,640 --> 01:04:19,240
Speaker 1: piece of dirt for years and years and years, eventually

1270
01:04:19,240 --> 01:04:22,680
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to rotate into something else. Usually the

1271
01:04:22,720 --> 01:04:25,800
Speaker 1: first sign of that is that you're doing everything you're

1272
01:04:25,800 --> 01:04:29,720
Speaker 1: supposed to do. Soil pH is at neutral, you're fertilizing

1273
01:04:29,760 --> 01:04:33,400
Speaker 1: like you're supposed to. Uh, Mother nature has cooperated. You've

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01:04:33,400 --> 01:04:36,160
Speaker 1: had rain, and it just isn't looking as good as

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01:04:36,200 --> 01:04:40,240
Speaker 1: it was. That usually indicates it's time for rotation. And

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01:04:40,280 --> 01:04:42,280
Speaker 1: there you know that's for There are a couple of

1277
01:04:42,280 --> 01:04:44,240
Speaker 1: tests you can do to go out and see. One

1278
01:04:44,320 --> 01:04:46,600
Speaker 1: is you go out and yank up some of the plants.

1279
01:04:46,640 --> 01:04:49,440
Speaker 1: Look at the roots. If there they should be firm

1280
01:04:49,480 --> 01:04:52,440
Speaker 1: and healthy, and if they're thin or spindley, or if

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01:04:52,480 --> 01:04:54,320
Speaker 1: you fish around now in the soil and you find

1282
01:04:54,360 --> 01:04:57,680
Speaker 1: a lot of grubs rather insects, that's Those are other

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01:04:57,760 --> 01:05:00,880
Speaker 1: indicators that it's it's time to rotate. But generally it's

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01:05:00,960 --> 01:05:02,960
Speaker 1: much easier than that. You just look and you're doing

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01:05:02,960 --> 01:05:05,320
Speaker 1: everything you're supposed to, and it's not doing doing like

1286
01:05:05,400 --> 01:05:08,479
Speaker 1: it's supposed to. It's time to rotate. Um. That's usually

1287
01:05:08,560 --> 01:05:11,040
Speaker 1: something to take to take into account, especially if you're

1288
01:05:11,040 --> 01:05:14,640
Speaker 1: planning a perennial it's gonna last for multiple years. Let's

1289
01:05:14,640 --> 01:05:17,760
Speaker 1: say you've had Imperial Clover in for for five years

1290
01:05:17,800 --> 01:05:20,760
Speaker 1: and this is still going going well. Uh, you know,

1291
01:05:20,960 --> 01:05:23,360
Speaker 1: do you want to think about start taking it out

1292
01:05:23,360 --> 01:05:24,480
Speaker 1: in there or do you want to let it go

1293
01:05:24,680 --> 01:05:27,880
Speaker 1: a little longer? Uh? You know, just make sure you

1294
01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:30,200
Speaker 1: check it to make sure that it's still doing well.

1295
01:05:30,960 --> 01:05:33,080
Speaker 1: And once it starts to decline a little bit, and

1296
01:05:33,080 --> 01:05:34,880
Speaker 1: then it's probably time to work it back up or

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01:05:34,920 --> 01:05:38,520
Speaker 1: something else. Okay, that's good to know. I definitely, as

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01:05:38,560 --> 01:05:40,080
Speaker 1: you mentioned, I have to learn that I can't let

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Speaker 1: my brass because go for more in a couple of years,

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01:05:41,960 --> 01:05:44,840
Speaker 1: so I started flipping flipping my food plots. So that's

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Speaker 1: why I've started doing this split where I do oats

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01:05:47,040 --> 01:05:49,040
Speaker 1: on one side brass because I I just flip flop

1303
01:05:49,040 --> 01:05:52,280
Speaker 1: them every year. And that's a great idea because you're

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01:05:52,360 --> 01:05:54,440
Speaker 1: right there in the same area. You want to have

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01:05:54,520 --> 01:05:56,360
Speaker 1: the same things in the plot, Just pick one up

1306
01:05:56,360 --> 01:05:58,360
Speaker 1: and move it to the other side and vice versa.

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01:05:58,480 --> 01:06:01,360
Speaker 1: There you go. Yeah, it's worked. We're right to do it. Yeah,

1308
01:06:01,600 --> 01:06:04,240
Speaker 1: so so we are coming up on time here. But Dan,

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01:06:04,800 --> 01:06:07,920
Speaker 1: from your perspective again from the non food plotter, but

1310
01:06:08,120 --> 01:06:10,600
Speaker 1: aspiring food plotter, anything else that you feel like you

1311
01:06:10,600 --> 01:06:13,200
Speaker 1: really still need to know before you can get started.

1312
01:06:15,240 --> 01:06:17,960
Speaker 1: I have a question in regards to time of hunt.

1313
01:06:18,080 --> 01:06:21,760
Speaker 1: I guess the morning or evening hunts. Is there Uh?

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01:06:22,720 --> 01:06:24,320
Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys have any research to

1315
01:06:24,360 --> 01:06:26,600
Speaker 1: back this up. Is there a certain kind of food

1316
01:06:26,640 --> 01:06:29,520
Speaker 1: plot that deer will hit in the mornings as opposed

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01:06:29,560 --> 01:06:33,080
Speaker 1: to evenings or vice versa. I don't know. We've never

1318
01:06:33,120 --> 01:06:36,480
Speaker 1: done any research on that, and I'm aware of I

1319
01:06:36,520 --> 01:06:38,400
Speaker 1: know that you know they're of course, you know this

1320
01:06:38,440 --> 01:06:41,480
Speaker 1: is something to say because you know this, dear animals

1321
01:06:41,520 --> 01:06:44,480
Speaker 1: are usually most active in the in the the morning

1322
01:06:44,480 --> 01:06:47,560
Speaker 1: and the evening. Um. But I think it. I think

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01:06:47,600 --> 01:06:51,560
Speaker 1: it's more more important than that is pressure. Uh. I

1324
01:06:51,640 --> 01:06:53,880
Speaker 1: know for a fact, down here, the deer, I mean

1325
01:06:54,120 --> 01:06:56,840
Speaker 1: just hunting here in the South deer patterned people, and

1326
01:06:56,880 --> 01:06:59,080
Speaker 1: there are a lot of these big hunting camps down here.

1327
01:06:59,120 --> 01:07:01,160
Speaker 1: They've always you know, they're about to go out in

1328
01:07:01,200 --> 01:07:04,040
Speaker 1: the morning and hunt till about you know, eight or ten,

1329
01:07:04,200 --> 01:07:06,320
Speaker 1: about ten or leavens something like. They come back, have

1330
01:07:06,360 --> 01:07:08,760
Speaker 1: a big lunch and get a snooze and go back

1331
01:07:08,760 --> 01:07:11,440
Speaker 1: at about three. And I love to hunt places like

1332
01:07:11,480 --> 01:07:13,400
Speaker 1: that because I go down the woods about leven and

1333
01:07:13,440 --> 01:07:15,280
Speaker 1: I get out about three, and I see deer all

1334
01:07:15,400 --> 01:07:18,560
Speaker 1: over the place. So that probably is uh. I'd say

1335
01:07:18,600 --> 01:07:21,960
Speaker 1: that's that's gonna be more important, uh than than the

1336
01:07:22,240 --> 01:07:24,760
Speaker 1: than the than the forage. What forage is in there,

1337
01:07:24,760 --> 01:07:27,680
Speaker 1: as long as detractive has to be a difference between

1338
01:07:27,720 --> 01:07:31,120
Speaker 1: morning and afternoon. There may be some biological reason, but

1339
01:07:31,160 --> 01:07:35,800
Speaker 1: I've never even considered it, you know, just like typically,

1340
01:07:36,400 --> 01:07:40,200
Speaker 1: and I don't know if this is just I guess

1341
01:07:40,200 --> 01:07:45,000
Speaker 1: I can't really tell what it is. But yeah, breakfast

1342
01:07:45,120 --> 01:07:49,600
Speaker 1: foods to traditional breakfast foods, we don't typically eat eggs

1343
01:07:49,600 --> 01:07:53,720
Speaker 1: and bake eggs and bacon for supper. You know, as

1344
01:07:53,840 --> 01:07:56,600
Speaker 1: as opposed to eating them and eating it in the morning.

1345
01:07:56,760 --> 01:08:00,240
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's just humans or if if

1346
01:08:00,280 --> 01:08:03,080
Speaker 1: deer have that same kind of all we love these

1347
01:08:03,160 --> 01:08:05,640
Speaker 1: kind of leaves off these kind of trees in the mornings,

1348
01:08:05,680 --> 01:08:09,000
Speaker 1: and and just how their day is that that I

1349
01:08:09,120 --> 01:08:11,280
Speaker 1: do not know. The only thing I can tell you

1350
01:08:11,320 --> 01:08:13,400
Speaker 1: is is that they do prefer a varying as I

1351
01:08:13,400 --> 01:08:16,120
Speaker 1: think you said earlier, is a narrow palatability range. They

1352
01:08:16,120 --> 01:08:17,960
Speaker 1: eat a lot of different things, but only the most

1353
01:08:17,960 --> 01:08:21,160
Speaker 1: tender shoots and leaves and budge because of their uh,

1354
01:08:21,280 --> 01:08:24,400
Speaker 1: digestive systems and nature of it. But as far as

1355
01:08:24,400 --> 01:08:27,400
Speaker 1: whether one is a morning or one is afternoon food,

1356
01:08:28,000 --> 01:08:31,280
Speaker 1: I really don't know, and it'd be interesting to find out,

1357
01:08:31,360 --> 01:08:34,519
Speaker 1: but I suspect that that that'd be pretty hard to

1358
01:08:34,520 --> 01:08:38,320
Speaker 1: measure because it's gonna depend more on theer's patterns naturally

1359
01:08:38,479 --> 01:08:41,640
Speaker 1: and uh and what sort of pressure they're exposed to

1360
01:08:42,200 --> 01:08:45,280
Speaker 1: that dictates their movement and their feeding patterns. A heck

1361
01:08:45,280 --> 01:08:47,720
Speaker 1: of a lot more than that, there's a lot of

1362
01:08:47,800 --> 01:08:49,920
Speaker 1: variables that we go into that, that's for sure. That's

1363
01:08:49,960 --> 01:08:52,920
Speaker 1: what makes it fun. Yeah, oh yeah, that's that's interesting stuff.

1364
01:08:53,360 --> 01:08:54,800
Speaker 1: That's heck of what I did. Dan. If you can

1365
01:08:54,800 --> 01:08:57,479
Speaker 1: figure out some way to test that, I think you could.

1366
01:08:57,800 --> 01:09:00,400
Speaker 1: You could you could get some notoriety in this field. Dan.

1367
01:09:00,439 --> 01:09:03,600
Speaker 1: If you can pull that off, there's even more notorieted

1368
01:09:03,600 --> 01:09:05,920
Speaker 1: than you already have exactly, which is hard to do

1369
01:09:06,080 --> 01:09:10,200
Speaker 1: right right, Absolutely, I'm known for having nine fingers and

1370
01:09:10,240 --> 01:09:12,960
Speaker 1: that's about it. That's you. That's your claim to fame.

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01:09:13,320 --> 01:09:15,280
Speaker 1: You don't need any more than that. It's okay, it

1372
01:09:15,320 --> 01:09:19,400
Speaker 1: works for him, I guess. So. So my final question

1373
01:09:19,439 --> 01:09:22,080
Speaker 1: for it, John, then is this, And maybe we've covered it,

1374
01:09:22,160 --> 01:09:24,840
Speaker 1: maybe we haven't yet, but if you could think of

1375
01:09:24,880 --> 01:09:28,439
Speaker 1: what the single greatest mistake that the average food plotter

1376
01:09:28,520 --> 01:09:36,519
Speaker 1: is making. What is that failure to make sure soil

1377
01:09:36,600 --> 01:09:41,479
Speaker 1: pH is a neutral range. And that goes back to

1378
01:09:42,360 --> 01:09:45,320
Speaker 1: failure to do a let's say, failure to do a

1379
01:09:45,400 --> 01:09:50,120
Speaker 1: laboratory soil test before you get ready to plant, and

1380
01:09:50,240 --> 01:09:53,519
Speaker 1: so you can't follow the instructions because you don't have one.

1381
01:09:54,240 --> 01:09:58,400
Speaker 1: That's the biggest mistake, and you can make the laboratory

1382
01:09:58,439 --> 01:10:01,840
Speaker 1: soil test and getting the soil alph right can make

1383
01:10:01,880 --> 01:10:05,920
Speaker 1: the difference between the best plot you ever saw and

1384
01:10:06,080 --> 01:10:10,640
Speaker 1: total failure it's that important, and it keeps money in

1385
01:10:10,800 --> 01:10:14,599
Speaker 1: your pocket. It's a no brainer. I think even Dan

1386
01:10:14,640 --> 01:10:19,000
Speaker 1: would do that. It's it's fantic. Yeah, that's a great point.

1387
01:10:19,040 --> 01:10:21,040
Speaker 1: And I think you know, one thing that some people assume,

1388
01:10:21,760 --> 01:10:23,960
Speaker 1: um is that it takes a really long time to

1389
01:10:24,040 --> 01:10:25,960
Speaker 1: get a lab test and send it in and get

1390
01:10:25,960 --> 01:10:28,240
Speaker 1: it back. And in some cases, you know, depends on

1391
01:10:28,240 --> 01:10:29,519
Speaker 1: where you're sending it. But I know I've done it

1392
01:10:29,560 --> 01:10:31,439
Speaker 1: through you guys, and it's pretty quick. And if you

1393
01:10:31,479 --> 01:10:34,640
Speaker 1: can't send it out, there are field offices um in

1394
01:10:34,680 --> 01:10:36,760
Speaker 1: a lot of areas, although actually you can just drive

1395
01:10:36,800 --> 01:10:38,800
Speaker 1: it somewhere, drop it off and get it back quickly too.

1396
01:10:38,800 --> 01:10:41,640
Speaker 1: So I think, you know, just explore your options absolutely.

1397
01:10:41,680 --> 01:10:43,519
Speaker 1: The only thing is when you do that, make sure

1398
01:10:43,560 --> 01:10:45,600
Speaker 1: that they are actually sending that dirt off to a

1399
01:10:45,720 --> 01:10:48,880
Speaker 1: qualified soil testing lab. And you don't have Bubba in

1400
01:10:48,760 --> 01:10:51,840
Speaker 1: the in the in the back closet with a slurry. Uh.

1401
01:10:52,040 --> 01:10:54,519
Speaker 1: It needs to go to a lab. That's a great point.

1402
01:10:54,880 --> 01:10:57,280
Speaker 1: So I think, Uh, I think I'm ready to get

1403
01:10:57,280 --> 01:10:59,400
Speaker 1: my food plot work done. I just need to find

1404
01:10:59,400 --> 01:11:02,120
Speaker 1: someone who's got a bigger disc than I have, who

1405
01:11:02,120 --> 01:11:05,200
Speaker 1: can help me handle my overgrown food plots unfortunately here

1406
01:11:05,200 --> 01:11:07,640
Speaker 1: in the next week. But I understand, well listen, let

1407
01:11:07,640 --> 01:11:10,360
Speaker 1: me tell you know, anytime you we can help you,

1408
01:11:10,520 --> 01:11:12,680
Speaker 1: you guys or anybody else, just give us a call.

1409
01:11:12,720 --> 01:11:15,160
Speaker 1: I mean, we've got you know, if your listeners out there,

1410
01:11:15,240 --> 01:11:18,160
Speaker 1: whether you're a customer hours or not, We've got an

1411
01:11:18,200 --> 01:11:21,760
Speaker 1: eight hundred numbers, eight hundred six, a eight thirty thirty

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Speaker 1: just press extension too. We've got a bank of really

1413
01:11:25,960 --> 01:11:28,639
Speaker 1: smart guys in house consultants that are here to answer

1414
01:11:29,040 --> 01:11:32,640
Speaker 1: questions for people about about planning and deer hunting and

1415
01:11:32,720 --> 01:11:35,160
Speaker 1: foreign selection and soil testing. If you get a soil

1416
01:11:35,200 --> 01:11:38,000
Speaker 1: test you can't read and it's not ours, call them.

1417
01:11:38,040 --> 01:11:40,960
Speaker 1: They'll help you go through it. But you've got that

1418
01:11:41,040 --> 01:11:43,880
Speaker 1: resource out there. Yeah, I think that's super helpful. That

1419
01:11:43,960 --> 01:11:45,720
Speaker 1: was something that was very helpful for me in that

1420
01:11:45,760 --> 01:11:48,640
Speaker 1: first year or two of food plots. Is is I

1421
01:11:48,640 --> 01:11:50,200
Speaker 1: I was an idiot. I don't know what I was doing.

1422
01:11:50,280 --> 01:11:52,280
Speaker 1: I was reading lots of things, but some of it's confusing.

1423
01:11:52,280 --> 01:11:53,840
Speaker 1: So I actually give you, guys, call and talk to

1424
01:11:53,880 --> 01:11:56,360
Speaker 1: someone a couple of times. It was very helpful. So

1425
01:11:56,760 --> 01:11:58,720
Speaker 1: I think that's the big thing for people listening is

1426
01:11:58,760 --> 01:12:01,200
Speaker 1: if you haven't done, if you have tried food blots before,

1427
01:12:01,920 --> 01:12:03,320
Speaker 1: you know, you know, as we've mentioned, it can be

1428
01:12:03,320 --> 01:12:05,080
Speaker 1: a little intimidating, but you just have to try it

1429
01:12:05,120 --> 01:12:07,160
Speaker 1: and whether you know, no matter what you try, whatever

1430
01:12:07,200 --> 01:12:09,160
Speaker 1: product it is, you know, just go out there and

1431
01:12:09,360 --> 01:12:10,840
Speaker 1: give it a shot. And I think, you know, just

1432
01:12:10,880 --> 01:12:14,960
Speaker 1: taking that first step will then help you tremendously moving forward.

1433
01:12:15,000 --> 01:12:17,960
Speaker 1: Just just go out absolutely and remember what I said

1434
01:12:17,960 --> 01:12:20,799
Speaker 1: when I first started this thing. It's supposed to be fun.

1435
01:12:21,080 --> 01:12:24,040
Speaker 1: It's not supposed to be a pain, and it's not hard.

1436
01:12:24,240 --> 01:12:26,880
Speaker 1: It's a step by step thing. And once you get

1437
01:12:26,920 --> 01:12:29,000
Speaker 1: into it, all of a sudden you'll have pieces fault

1438
01:12:29,080 --> 01:12:31,760
Speaker 1: going to go, oh okay, that's what That's why that

1439
01:12:32,160 --> 01:12:35,519
Speaker 1: goes that way easy. It's simple to do, and it's fun,

1440
01:12:35,640 --> 01:12:37,880
Speaker 1: and you've got the resources to help you do it right.

1441
01:12:37,960 --> 01:12:40,920
Speaker 1: So uh and and plus and think about this too.

1442
01:12:41,320 --> 01:12:43,360
Speaker 1: By planning food bloods, you know, we need to get

1443
01:12:43,360 --> 01:12:46,559
Speaker 1: on our high horse more about this. Uh you know, sure,

1444
01:12:46,640 --> 01:12:49,280
Speaker 1: you know we're hunting deer, we're hunting turkeys. That's why

1445
01:12:49,320 --> 01:12:53,200
Speaker 1: we're planning food plots. Um. But when you plant food plots,

1446
01:12:53,280 --> 01:12:55,280
Speaker 1: it's helping a lot more and deer in turkeys. It's

1447
01:12:55,280 --> 01:12:58,320
Speaker 1: helping every bit of wildlife out there. Uh And and

1448
01:12:58,360 --> 01:13:01,720
Speaker 1: you know, we're doing a lot more uh for for

1449
01:13:01,800 --> 01:13:05,920
Speaker 1: wildlife than than folks who who proclaimed to do so

1450
01:13:06,000 --> 01:13:07,880
Speaker 1: and yet don't devote any of their money or any

1451
01:13:07,880 --> 01:13:11,640
Speaker 1: of their time to any sort of any sort of wildlife, uh,

1452
01:13:12,000 --> 01:13:15,679
Speaker 1: you know benefit. So you know, if you're thinking about

1453
01:13:15,720 --> 01:13:18,840
Speaker 1: getting started in flood with food plots, congratulations, you're my

1454
01:13:18,960 --> 01:13:20,840
Speaker 1: kind of person. And my hats off to you, and

1455
01:13:21,840 --> 01:13:25,320
Speaker 1: give yourself a round of applause because you deserve it. Absolutely.

1456
01:13:25,640 --> 01:13:29,200
Speaker 1: I think that that's that just makes all sense of

1457
01:13:29,240 --> 01:13:30,800
Speaker 1: the world. There's a lot to it, and there's a

1458
01:13:30,840 --> 01:13:34,040
Speaker 1: lot of incredible rewards and I've just, uh you know,

1459
01:13:34,040 --> 01:13:36,200
Speaker 1: I've come to really enjoy it. And my goal in

1460
01:13:36,240 --> 01:13:39,240
Speaker 1: the next year or two is that hopefully I'll convince

1461
01:13:39,280 --> 01:13:41,519
Speaker 1: my co host Dan to find a way to try

1462
01:13:41,560 --> 01:13:44,960
Speaker 1: one out too, because I think you'd enjoy it. So

1463
01:13:43,800 --> 01:13:47,800
Speaker 1: I think so John been telling warning it's it's it's

1464
01:13:47,840 --> 01:13:50,800
Speaker 1: a it's like hunting crack. What you get started doing.

1465
01:13:50,840 --> 01:13:53,280
Speaker 1: It's like, Okay, I gotta try this next. It's probably

1466
01:13:53,320 --> 01:13:55,599
Speaker 1: not what you Danny probably don't need one more added

1467
01:13:55,600 --> 01:13:58,240
Speaker 1: addiction related to dear hunting you. Oh yeah, let me

1468
01:13:58,280 --> 01:14:01,400
Speaker 1: just tell my wife, Hey, baby, I'm gonna be on

1469
01:14:01,439 --> 01:14:03,920
Speaker 1: a couple of extra weekends a year to do food plots.

1470
01:14:05,360 --> 01:14:14,840
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's funny. So just so John, For people

1471
01:14:14,840 --> 01:14:16,640
Speaker 1: that want to learn more about what you guys are

1472
01:14:16,680 --> 01:14:19,080
Speaker 1: doing at White Tail Institute, where can they go online

1473
01:14:19,120 --> 01:14:24,240
Speaker 1: to get that information? Yeah, you can go to www.

1474
01:14:24,280 --> 01:14:28,519
Speaker 1: Whitetail Institute dot com. Just all written out white Tail Institute. Uh.

1475
01:14:28,600 --> 01:14:31,519
Speaker 1: One little thing that's on it is kind of neat.

1476
01:14:31,600 --> 01:14:34,600
Speaker 1: And we were talking about forages earlier, what decide what

1477
01:14:34,680 --> 01:14:37,600
Speaker 1: the plant? And my brain the way it works is

1478
01:14:37,640 --> 01:14:39,800
Speaker 1: kind of strange. I started thinking about it one day.

1479
01:14:39,880 --> 01:14:41,120
Speaker 1: I mean, I can look at the food plot and

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Speaker 1: I know in in a micro second what I'm going

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Speaker 1: to plant there. I'm going, well, how do I know that?

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Speaker 1: And then I realized what I'm doing is that I'm

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Speaker 1: really going through a mental flow chart and basically taking

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Speaker 1: all these forages and throwing them in a bucket, and

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Speaker 1: then I run through a series of questions, um, and

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Speaker 1: then I'm throwing out throwing things out of bucket, calling

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Speaker 1: them out, and when I get to the end of

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Speaker 1: the questions, I have exactly what I want, what I

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Speaker 1: should plan in that plot for that soil type, that slow,

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Speaker 1: that equipment, access of what you wanted to do, and

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Speaker 1: performance as far as your overall system goes. And so

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Speaker 1: I sat out. I wrote a little a little program,

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Speaker 1: a little power point program that the smart people were

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Speaker 1: ever put on put on the computer. But it's a

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Speaker 1: product selector at the top. You can go through and

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Speaker 1: go through it one side of the time. They'll ask

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Speaker 1: you three or four questions and you just punch a

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Speaker 1: yes no button and then at the end of it,

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Speaker 1: it spits out one or more of our products that

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Speaker 1: are that are made for your capabilities. What you can do,

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Speaker 1: uh you know, access with equipment to that plot and

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01:15:39,760 --> 01:15:42,920
Speaker 1: what you wanted to do. Very cool. Well, I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: make sure to add a link to that on the

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Speaker 1: blog post for this podcast. And um, this has been great, John,

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Speaker 1: I think we've all been able to learn a thing

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01:15:50,320 --> 01:15:51,599
Speaker 1: or two. And I bet you there's a few people

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Speaker 1: that I have been inspired to give it a try to.

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Speaker 1: So so thank you for that and thanks for joining

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Speaker 1: us today. Oh man, my pleasure. I'm I'm glad to

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Speaker 1: do this and especially glad to do it you guys

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Speaker 1: that I've had the pleasure of heading up there. You know,

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Speaker 1: anything north of Tennessee is the Arctic something up there

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Speaker 1: to the Arctic where you are. And you guys really

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Speaker 1: provide a great service with your information and uh we

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Speaker 1: we just we just really enjoy working with you guys. Well,

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Speaker 1: we appreciate John and we wish you the best of

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01:16:17,479 --> 01:16:20,240
Speaker 1: luck this hunting season. Thank you, sir. All Right, we'll

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Speaker 1: have a good one. We'll talk soon. All right, Well,

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Speaker 1: that is going to be a rap for us here

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Speaker 1: today on the Wired to Hunt podcast. I hope you

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Speaker 1: guys all learned a few things about fall food plots,

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Speaker 1: and like I mentioned earlier, I hope that some of

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Speaker 1: you guys are gonna give it a shot. I definitely

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Speaker 1: will be using this, uh in my food plot projects

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Speaker 1: here coming up in the next couple of weeks. They're

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Speaker 1: gonna be there'll be interesting. Um. I'm gonna have some challenges,

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01:16:44,800 --> 01:16:47,080
Speaker 1: but nonetheless learn some things here I can apply and

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Speaker 1: I hope you did too. A couple other updates before

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Speaker 1: wrap things up. First, remember we do have the Instagram

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Speaker 1: contest going on. If you post a cool hunting photo

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Speaker 1: have a chance at winning a weird hunting decail or

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Speaker 1: some other cool product. Last week, I think or the

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Speaker 1: week before, we gave away a Trophy Ridge static stabilizer,

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Speaker 1: so that was pretty awesome. We've given away a number

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Speaker 1: of details already too, so make sure you're posting your

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Speaker 1: hunting photos on Wednesdays using hashtag wired to Hunt Wednesday. UM.

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1545
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Speaker 1: all we needed to We need to cover of course,

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Speaker 1: whether or not it's worth working with us, and I

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Speaker 1: hope it is. So thank you for doing that in advance.

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Speaker 1: But finally, most importantly, and what I always say every weekend,

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Speaker 1: what I really truly mean, is that we want to

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Speaker 1: thank you you guys and gals or why we do

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Speaker 1: this podcast. It means the world that so many of

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Speaker 1: you listen in and enjoy it and look forward to

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Speaker 1: it every week. So so thanks for that, Thanks for

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Speaker 1: spending some time with us, and as we say every week,

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