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Speaker 1: what's your answer? I have never heard of this in

424
00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:28,240
Speaker 1: any way. But those were such specific answers, I'm going

425
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:34,840
Speaker 1: to say all of them. Can I say that I've

426
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:36,359
Speaker 1: never heard of this at all? I have no idea,

427
00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:37,920
Speaker 1: You have no idea what you don't want to take

428
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:41,800
Speaker 1: a guess based upon I'd say cadence of my voice

429
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 1: as I spoke man Tonal languages would have helped me

430
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:46,560
Speaker 1: a lot. Here we'll come back to Dennison. I want

431
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:48,880
Speaker 1: to say beer c I also have not heard of this.

432
00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:55,840
Speaker 1: I would say, seem wildlife fish and plants have been

433
00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:59,359
Speaker 1: illegally taken, possessed, transporter soul. So basically the Lacey Act

434
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:03,080
Speaker 1: um the main thing that it's enforced for is when

435
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:06,320
Speaker 1: if you killed a deer illegally in Arkansas and you

436
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:09,240
Speaker 1: took it to Oklahoma, all of a sudden, you've stepped

437
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:16,040
Speaker 1: into federal regulations. So if you post transporting wildlife, yeah,

438
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:18,680
Speaker 1: so it's it's basically a way for them to get you,

439
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:22,119
Speaker 1: and it's good like it. So if you like, if

440
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:24,399
Speaker 1: you kill the bear illegally in Canada and brought it

441
00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:27,720
Speaker 1: back to wherever you would, you wouldn't have just broke

442
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:30,160
Speaker 1: the game laws of a province, but you would now

443
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:33,919
Speaker 1: be have committed a federal crime of transporting and illegal.

444
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:36,560
Speaker 1: And there's also stuff with playoffs and wildlife. I got

445
00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:40,280
Speaker 1: really excited because I watched an episode of Texas Uh

446
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:44,320
Speaker 1: Texas game Warden called Texas game Warden. It's about Texas

447
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:46,000
Speaker 1: game board and I know if that's the name. But

448
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:48,600
Speaker 1: in that episode, they rolled up on a dude that

449
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:52,800
Speaker 1: had poached in Montana and brought his game back to

450
00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:55,480
Speaker 1: Texas and they they rolled up and arrested him, and

451
00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:57,440
Speaker 1: I was like, what is happening. That's a game warden.

452
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:04,000
Speaker 1: They hit him everything he did. You know that wildlife

453
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:08,720
Speaker 1: officers have more authority than most regular law enforcement officers

454
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:11,680
Speaker 1: in terms that they don't need search warrants that like

455
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:14,040
Speaker 1: a game warden could pull up to your house and

456
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:17,760
Speaker 1: without a search warrtant come in and search your freezers,

457
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:22,640
Speaker 1: confiscate your stuff without without uh, you doesn't even have

458
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:25,000
Speaker 1: to have a warrant. And and and I think it's

459
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:28,640
Speaker 1: because wildlife can't speak. I mean, like you know, I mean,

460
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:31,920
Speaker 1: they're they're there. They're they're trying to they're trying to

461
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:36,040
Speaker 1: give protection to something that that doesn't have a way

462
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:40,479
Speaker 1: to be protected, if that makes sense. Okay, several more

463
00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:45,600
Speaker 1: questions there, guys, are you okay? Just wearing your out emotionally? Well,

464
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:52,040
Speaker 1: I'm realizing that, uh, the knowledge, the knowledge of hunting,

465
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:55,520
Speaker 1: if this is common knowledge in the hunting world, Uh,

466
00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:58,480
Speaker 1: it the knowledge, the level of knowledge is much deeper

467
00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:00,800
Speaker 1: and more technical than I thought it'd be. Like that.

468
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:03,880
Speaker 1: That's my question that maybe I'll ask at the end,

469
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:08,840
Speaker 1: is like, does everybody but us know this stuff? That's good? Now?

470
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:11,080
Speaker 1: You know, I don't know. I don't know a lot

471
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:12,800
Speaker 1: of this would be common, but some of it may

472
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:16,960
Speaker 1: not be. Some of it's pretty specific. But um and

473
00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:21,040
Speaker 1: uh yeah, number seven, I don't know what number we're on.

474
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:24,800
Speaker 1: Gest station period of a female black bear is how

475
00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:30,640
Speaker 1: many days A sixty B D two C seventy eight

476
00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:35,760
Speaker 1: the hundred and eighty two days gestation period of a

477
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:42,720
Speaker 1: female black bear. Jonathan, tie, both of you wrong. Gest

478
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:45,640
Speaker 1: station period of a black bear is sixty days, which

479
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:54,200
Speaker 1: is really short, and it's because of delayed implantation. Uh uh.

480
00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:58,880
Speaker 1: A female bear is bread. The fertilized egg doesn't attach

481
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:03,480
Speaker 1: to the uterine wall until late until late in the fall,

482
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:06,560
Speaker 1: when her body has been able to decide whether she's

483
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:11,240
Speaker 1: able to rear cubs or not. So it doesn't decide

484
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:15,080
Speaker 1: that until after the fall mass crop has been ingested

485
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:17,320
Speaker 1: and the bodies like, yeah, man, we're in pretty good shape.

486
00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:19,240
Speaker 1: I think we can rear a couple of cubs. Bam.

487
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:23,040
Speaker 1: The fertilized egg then attaches to the uterine wall, catalyzing

488
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:27,400
Speaker 1: gestation for sixty days. In the young cub is born

489
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:34,040
Speaker 1: in the den, hairless and weighs less than a pound. Masterful, masterful, Yeah,

490
00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:38,520
Speaker 1: gestation period. So usually big animals have a longer gestation. Yeah,

491
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:41,480
Speaker 1: it's it's kind of a trick question, Okay. Number eight.

492
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:48,160
Speaker 1: On this podcast we often reference certain sports and derogatory ways.

493
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:52,120
Speaker 1: Which of these is not one we talk about? Do

494
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 1: you understand the question, which of the following sports is

495
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 1: not a sport that you just got that we speak

496
00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:00,800
Speaker 1: negatively on this podcast. Wait that you do speak neatly.

497
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:04,000
Speaker 1: You never speak negative. Let me reread the question. On

498
00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:09,160
Speaker 1: this podcast, we often reference certain sports in derogatory ways.

499
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:15,080
Speaker 1: Which of these is not one that we speak negatively about?

500
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:17,760
Speaker 1: Before you even offer the answers? As a fan of soccer,

501
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:19,680
Speaker 1: I feel like I need to walk out on this podcast.

502
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna be careful, be careful A golf, b tennis,

503
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:34,360
Speaker 1: see bad mitten Webster. Wow, I thought basketball was going

504
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:37,280
Speaker 1: to be the answer here. Oh I'm saying badminton. Okay,

505
00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 1: you're bad mitten fool. Okay, so we do not speak

506
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:45,120
Speaker 1: negatively about that, that's what Okay, your answer golf we

507
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:49,040
Speaker 1: got Jonathan Webster is right, you are wrong. Tis we

508
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:52,840
Speaker 1: speak very negatively about golf on this podcast. Yeah, so

509
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:56,160
Speaker 1: I'm behind then, okay, yeah, yep, it's it's yep. And

510
00:32:56,160 --> 00:33:00,280
Speaker 1: and I also often use tennis as an analogy because

511
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:03,160
Speaker 1: I'm always we're always talking about hunting, and I'm like,

512
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:06,480
Speaker 1: there's bad apples and hunting, and then like once, like

513
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:09,880
Speaker 1: every other podcast, I go, but there's bad apples in tennis,

514
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:14,600
Speaker 1: and so you know, and so okay, all right, just

515
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:20,280
Speaker 1: good job, Jonathan, Sorry, good job job. I've seen you

516
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 1: cut a rug on bad minton before. Yeah, I don't know.

517
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:24,680
Speaker 1: I don't I don't think so. I don't think so.

518
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:28,000
Speaker 1: I don't think so, buddy. Um how long has baronny

519
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:31,640
Speaker 1: magazine been in print? A seventeen years, B twelve years,

520
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:38,400
Speaker 1: see twenty three years, D twenty years. You asking first

521
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:45,600
Speaker 1: twenty three years, Jonathan twenty I'm gonna go with Baron

522
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:47,680
Speaker 1: magazine has been in print for twenty years. It's on

523
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:50,680
Speaker 1: the cover of Baron Hunting Magazine with a bar Hunting

524
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 1: authority for twenty years. Okay, all right, it's okay, guess okay, Um,

525
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 1: we're gonna we're gonna move We're gonna move along here, Um,

526
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:01,280
Speaker 1: we're gonna move along. We're gon We've got let's see,

527
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:04,240
Speaker 1: we're gonna go. Three more questions and these get harder

528
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:09,279
Speaker 1: as we go. Good, okay, and then and then okay.

529
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:13,040
Speaker 1: In a previous podcast, we mentioned a short story titled

530
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:16,640
Speaker 1: The Big Bears of Arkansas and a character by the

531
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:21,160
Speaker 1: name of Jim Dogg. It referred to the bear he

532
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:26,600
Speaker 1: was pursuing with hounds as do you understand the question?

533
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:31,200
Speaker 1: He referred to the bear that he was pursuing with

534
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:40,080
Speaker 1: hounds as a old ephraim be savage beast, see a brother,

535
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:46,240
Speaker 1: d a father Jonathan Webster. I feel like I should

536
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:48,719
Speaker 1: take the fifth here, but I'm gonna go with a

537
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 1: brother brother. Okay, Ty, I liked a good one. Dennison

538
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:59,200
Speaker 1: is wrong, Jonathan Webster's correct. Jim Dogg it. As he

539
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:04,040
Speaker 1: saw the hounds pursuing a bear up the hill, he

540
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:08,120
Speaker 1: said that he loved the bear like a brother. Jim

541
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:11,120
Speaker 1: Dogg Big Bears of Arkansas, Okay? That was mentioned on

542
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:23,400
Speaker 1: last podcast, noted Ti okay man, Okay, we may do

543
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:25,480
Speaker 1: two more questions. We've been We've been going at this

544
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:29,080
Speaker 1: a long way a long time, but it's kind of fun. Um.

545
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 1: What was one of the factors that aided in the

546
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:36,400
Speaker 1: success of the historic reintroduction of Arkansas black bears between

547
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:42,359
Speaker 1: nineteen fifty four nineteen Okay? What are the factors? A

548
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:46,400
Speaker 1: multiple years of historic acron and hickory nut production because

549
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:52,080
Speaker 1: of exceptionally wet summers and mild springs, b the public

550
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:58,080
Speaker 1: hanging of an entire family of notorious ozark poachers causing

551
00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:02,520
Speaker 1: wide spit spread resp act of game laws across the region.

552
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:08,200
Speaker 1: It was savage see the introduction of non a non

553
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:12,440
Speaker 1: native plant species that aided in the fertility of female

554
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:16,920
Speaker 1: black bears, causing them to have large letters of cubs. D.

555
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 1: The regrowth and maturity of the oak hickory Climax forest

556
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:26,440
Speaker 1: after historic landscape level logging at the turn of the century.

557
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:29,600
Speaker 1: Jonathan Webster, your answer, I think it has to do

558
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:31,440
Speaker 1: with acorns. And now the question is whether or not

559
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:34,399
Speaker 1: it's A or D. And I'm gonna say A. I'm

560
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:38,120
Speaker 1: gonna say, okay, A multiple years of historic acor and

561
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:44,600
Speaker 1: hickory nut production D is correct, all right. The regrowth, Yeah,

562
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 1: So the late eighteen hundreds early nineteen hundreds, basically everything

563
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:54,279
Speaker 1: in the southeastern United States was logged. So the decimation

564
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:57,959
Speaker 1: of black bears in the South and and here specifically

565
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:01,759
Speaker 1: was from market hunting, which guys were killing bears to

566
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:06,360
Speaker 1: make money. Number two, it was massive loss of habitat.

567
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:10,880
Speaker 1: And so that they basically the four that they institute

568
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:14,480
Speaker 1: the National Forest which which preserved forests and put him

569
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:20,080
Speaker 1: into regimented uh you know, forestry management. And so after

570
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:26,080
Speaker 1: basically sixty seventy years, these forests were mature again, and

571
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:28,800
Speaker 1: all of a sudden there was good habitat for bears.

572
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:31,960
Speaker 1: So that timing between nineteen fifty four and sixty four,

573
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:35,800
Speaker 1: they were turning these bears into these these mature forests,

574
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:38,879
Speaker 1: which is what they needed. It's pretty interesting, huh. So

575
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:42,799
Speaker 1: reintroducing means they actually took captive black bears and reintroduced

576
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:47,480
Speaker 1: them physically to forests. That absolutely Yeah. Yeah, the reintroduction

577
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:50,719
Speaker 1: of Arkansas black bears is considered the most successful reintroduction

578
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:53,160
Speaker 1: of large carnivores in the world. So they captured them

579
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:56,640
Speaker 1: live up in uh Minnesota and Canada and brought him

580
00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:59,239
Speaker 1: into Arkansas. And I've heard you say that in a

581
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:01,520
Speaker 1: number of times. I never caught that reintroduction was a

582
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:04,080
Speaker 1: physical reintroduction. I thought it was like bringing them back

583
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 1: from the brink. Yeah. Interesting, I've got I've got a

584
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:09,399
Speaker 1: few more questions, but I think we'll I think we'll

585
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:13,880
Speaker 1: call it. Good good job, guys. Okay, yeah, shake hands

586
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:17,399
Speaker 1: the weekend. Okay, I'm not sure who won. I wasn't

587
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:25,240
Speaker 1: keep clearly clearly, Jonathan, Okay, Okay. Barriers to entry, Barriers

588
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:30,720
Speaker 1: to entry, what one of the largest barriers to entry

589
00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:33,600
Speaker 1: is I just made barriers to entry a pun in

590
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:39,960
Speaker 1: my head Bear Hunting magazine barriers to entry out joke

591
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:43,439
Speaker 1: and chose that I'm not worthy to barriers to entry.

592
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:48,640
Speaker 1: Right here, we're going to name the bodylest barriers to entry.

593
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:55,120
Speaker 1: Good job. No. So right now, outside of the hunting community,

594
00:38:55,760 --> 00:39:01,240
Speaker 1: there really are kind of three main things that stand

595
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:07,440
Speaker 1: in the way of modern hunting continuing as is into

596
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:11,319
Speaker 1: the future. Three really three main things. And you know,

597
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:15,239
Speaker 1: there's kind of been alarmists, people that would have been

598
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 1: labeled as alarmist maybe for years that would have said,

599
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:22,520
Speaker 1: you know, huntings in trouble hunting there after hunting, and

600
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:24,839
Speaker 1: I would have seen those guys as people that were

601
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:29,400
Speaker 1: just that alarmist, like, ma'am, there's nobody knocking on my

602
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:32,640
Speaker 1: door trying to get me to not hunt, but also

603
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:35,239
Speaker 1: live in a very rural state of a very a

604
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:39,439
Speaker 1: state that's very pro hunting. Now that I'm older, now

605
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:44,279
Speaker 1: that um I have site of the national scene specifically

606
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:47,319
Speaker 1: with bear hunting, but it's much broader and wider than that.

607
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:52,280
Speaker 1: I realized that we are very much so at a

608
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:56,600
Speaker 1: at a crux, at a point in time where things

609
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:59,719
Speaker 1: are gonna go one way or another? Really is? I mean,

610
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:04,280
Speaker 1: it's for such a time as this, here we are

611
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:08,360
Speaker 1: and hunting is in the balance, and uh, you know,

612
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:12,279
Speaker 1: one question might be why does why do we need

613
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:15,480
Speaker 1: to care that hunting persists? You know? I mean, like Jonathan,

614
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 1: I look at you and it's like you don't have

615
00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:22,680
Speaker 1: a lot of history with hunting. So like I mean

616
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:27,279
Speaker 1: on your scale and your life of what John the

617
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:29,879
Speaker 1: Webster's gonna do to make sure modern hunting persists, it's

618
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:32,799
Speaker 1: probably like really low. I mean, it would surprise me

619
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:35,440
Speaker 1: if it was, because I mean you just started, so

620
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:38,000
Speaker 1: it's like you don't have this. Uh, ties would be

621
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:40,759
Speaker 1: a little bit bigger. But but mine, I mean, like

622
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 1: you know, hunting my whole life. It's a big part

623
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:44,600
Speaker 1: of who I am and what I do in the

624
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:46,480
Speaker 1: way I've chosen to live my family. It's a it's

625
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:49,959
Speaker 1: a lifestyle, you know. It's like I feel like we're

626
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:53,960
Speaker 1: like a people group almost, you know. And so for

627
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:57,520
Speaker 1: me to think of my sons, and I always boil

628
00:40:57,560 --> 00:41:00,840
Speaker 1: it down to this image. In my mind, I envision

629
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:07,160
Speaker 1: a specific place in Arkansas public Land that I love

630
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:10,319
Speaker 1: to hunt. When I go there, I just I am.

631
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:16,319
Speaker 1: I am giddy with with thankfulness that that place is

632
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:18,759
Speaker 1: mine and I can go there and I can kill

633
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:21,080
Speaker 1: a bear, I can kill a deer, I can go

634
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:25,399
Speaker 1: squirrel hunting, and it's mine and and there's a real

635
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 1: sense of freedom when I'm standing there, going into that place,

636
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:37,200
Speaker 1: and the thought of my son, her daughter, when they're

637
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:42,320
Speaker 1: forty years old, to not have those same rights makes

638
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:45,759
Speaker 1: me feel like that they would be something different than me.

639
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:52,160
Speaker 1: And that's what that's like. I don't I want them.

640
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:55,960
Speaker 1: I want them to have that, you know, I don't

641
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:58,719
Speaker 1: want them to be I don't want the culture to

642
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:05,000
Speaker 1: shift so much that in forty years that hunters are

643
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:12,560
Speaker 1: absolute barbarians and outdated and irrelevant in in in view

644
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:14,880
Speaker 1: of the modern hunting culture, I mean in view of

645
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:18,960
Speaker 1: modern society, which that's the direction it's going. That's that's

646
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:24,560
Speaker 1: the way I'm hogging to know. We're gonna say, as

647
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:27,800
Speaker 1: a layman like who doesn't have a lot of visibility

648
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:31,360
Speaker 1: of the hunting an outdoor world like that surprised me

649
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:34,239
Speaker 1: when I heard you talking about that, because in my view,

650
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:36,160
Speaker 1: like I just had no sight of the fact that

651
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:40,360
Speaker 1: there's a cultural shift towards making hunting a more and

652
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:43,480
Speaker 1: more fringe activity, like I was not when you talk

653
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:45,320
Speaker 1: to me in January and people can go listen to

654
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:49,120
Speaker 1: y Coon Hunting Matters. That was a kind of a

655
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:53,000
Speaker 1: revelational experience for me about what society might do. Maybe

656
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:54,840
Speaker 1: maybe it wasn't even on the podcast. Maybe it was

657
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:57,440
Speaker 1: after we rapped and we talked and you told me

658
00:42:57,520 --> 00:43:00,520
Speaker 1: just about how society shifting and how how hunting is

659
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:04,840
Speaker 1: being um delegated to a more fringe position. That that

660
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:06,480
Speaker 1: was the first time I'd ever even thought about the

661
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:09,319
Speaker 1: fact that hunting is being moved to the outskirts, and

662
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:13,920
Speaker 1: not just on a philosophical level, but I think this year,

663
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:16,319
Speaker 1: I can't remember when I heard a story that your

664
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:19,480
Speaker 1: grandfather used to hound hunt, what was he hun hunting

665
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:22,759
Speaker 1: and quail hunting, and then there's no more. You can't

666
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:25,360
Speaker 1: do that anymore, right, well, I mean there's just there's

667
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:28,240
Speaker 1: hardly any quail left. And there was a massive shift,

668
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:31,160
Speaker 1: And that was a surprise to me as well. I

669
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:32,880
Speaker 1: never knew that that had happened, And so I had

670
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:37,400
Speaker 1: heard you talk about I guess a fear that that

671
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:39,360
Speaker 1: that that things would change, that your kids wouldn't be

672
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:41,399
Speaker 1: able to hunt like you had hunted. And so two

673
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:43,960
Speaker 1: things happened. One, you opened my eyes to that there

674
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 1: is a cultural shift happening that was invisible to me

675
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:49,839
Speaker 1: is just a lathen And too that you had a

676
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:53,319
Speaker 1: personal experience of your grandfather who used to actually be

677
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:55,920
Speaker 1: able to hunt a specific animal that was native to

678
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:59,480
Speaker 1: the area and no longer can because of whatever environmental

679
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 1: reason that caused. And that kind of brought it home

680
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:05,560
Speaker 1: to like, it's not just the killed the culture. Yeah,

681
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:08,080
Speaker 1: it's not a fringe fear like it has happened and

682
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:10,319
Speaker 1: if you don't manage it, it could happen again with

683
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:12,520
Speaker 1: other species. That was I didn't realize either of those

684
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:16,040
Speaker 1: things un till this year. Yeah. Yeah, well, so the

685
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:17,920
Speaker 1: three things that are a threat and I started to

686
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:19,600
Speaker 1: tell my story to tell the three things that are

687
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:23,359
Speaker 1: a threat hunter recruitment, And that's what we're gonna talk

688
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 1: about today, Like hunter recruitment. Like, uh, I read a

689
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:30,240
Speaker 1: statistic that they believe that they're eleven point five million

690
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:33,360
Speaker 1: hunters in the US today, and that hunter would include

691
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:36,239
Speaker 1: both of you guys, because you're licensed hunters now, So

692
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:38,840
Speaker 1: I mean that would include people that are really into

693
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:40,360
Speaker 1: it and then people that are just getting into it

694
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:43,200
Speaker 1: people that are bird hunters, squirrel hunters, deer hunters, l hunters,

695
00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:48,000
Speaker 1: bear hunters, whatever, um. But because of the expanding population

696
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:52,080
Speaker 1: of the US, that eleven point four percent is now

697
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:56,840
Speaker 1: like four point five percent of the of the nation,

698
00:44:57,640 --> 00:45:00,919
Speaker 1: which used to we used to say that hunters were

699
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:06,720
Speaker 1: ten of America, like like there was like fifteen million

700
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:09,960
Speaker 1: of US and we were ten percent. I can't remember

701
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:14,279
Speaker 1: the stats, but basically the idea was that about one

702
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:19,160
Speaker 1: and ten people were hunters. Okay, So but hunter recruitment

703
00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:24,880
Speaker 1: and tire and I t guy, uh, it just seems

704
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:29,040
Speaker 1: like society is moving further and further. Well, I mean,

705
00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:33,080
Speaker 1: like kids hunter recruitment, it's like, man, there's a lot

706
00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:37,040
Speaker 1: for them to do. There's there's it is so appealing.

707
00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:41,480
Speaker 1: I mean, it's like emotional junk food, life junk food.

708
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:44,000
Speaker 1: To be able to stay home and watch movies on

709
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:47,760
Speaker 1: Netflix and play on your phone. I mean, that's that's

710
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:50,600
Speaker 1: a that's a challenge to say, hey, do you want

711
00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:54,360
Speaker 1: to go out into the cold for a long period

712
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 1: of time without comforts, experience a little bit of difficulty,

713
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:06,320
Speaker 1: but have the opportunity for a very lasting, meaningful memory

714
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:08,640
Speaker 1: and acquisition of wild game that we can come and

715
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:12,279
Speaker 1: or do you want to just stay home and watch Netflix.

716
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:16,359
Speaker 1: I mean that is the thing that people deal with,

717
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:20,200
Speaker 1: or or just the business of life. But yeah, I

718
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:22,760
Speaker 1: think I think those are definitely like key factors because

719
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:27,480
Speaker 1: business of life. And we'll get into like what what's

720
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:30,960
Speaker 1: like barriers business of life in a society that makes

721
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:33,640
Speaker 1: us so busy all the time in ways that it

722
00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:37,000
Speaker 1: didn't necessarily before or less, So that's a that's a

723
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:42,000
Speaker 1: big one. Yeah, yeah, you know, I think I think

724
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:46,080
Speaker 1: modern society, and even with ADVID of social media, has

725
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:49,880
Speaker 1: opened up our options so much in every way. I

726
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:53,000
Speaker 1: mean used to we didn't know what the other guy

727
00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:55,080
Speaker 1: was doing. We didn't know what the other family was

728
00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:58,440
Speaker 1: doing unless we read magazines, newspapers, sought on television, or

729
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:01,680
Speaker 1: talk to somebody on a telephone. And like so now

730
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:05,720
Speaker 1: it's like you you like, just people have so many options,

731
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:09,760
Speaker 1: exponentially more options for what to do with their life,

732
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:13,840
Speaker 1: whether they stay home or read a book, or go bowling,

733
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:15,880
Speaker 1: or go with friends or do this or do this

734
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:18,160
Speaker 1: or do this or do this. We're used to they

735
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:20,960
Speaker 1: were less options. I mean, like for a rural family

736
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:23,760
Speaker 1: that was hunting or something, but Okay, so hunter recruitment,

737
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:29,000
Speaker 1: I keep getting off traffic, hunter recruitment, loss of access.

738
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:30,799
Speaker 1: Both of you, whether you know it or not, have

739
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:36,480
Speaker 1: experienced issues with access to hunting, and number three, anti

740
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:39,800
Speaker 1: hunting sentiment. I would say those three things are the

741
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:43,920
Speaker 1: biggest challenges to modern hunting. Hunter recruitment, loss of access,

742
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:48,160
Speaker 1: and anti hunting sentiment, and all those play in different places,

743
00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:52,440
Speaker 1: but those are the biggest things. So let's first talk

744
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:59,520
Speaker 1: about well, maybe talk about your why you started hunting, Jonathan,

745
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:03,000
Speaker 1: Like what what was it to go from urban to

746
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:07,120
Speaker 1: like what appealed to you? Why did you want to

747
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:09,800
Speaker 1: start hunting? Sure, I mean I think it starts. It

748
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:13,160
Speaker 1: started real basically is like, yeah, that kind of seems

749
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:15,480
Speaker 1: like a manly thing to do, like just real, honestly,

750
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:18,400
Speaker 1: just being real transparents Like, yeah, I've never done that before,

751
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:21,080
Speaker 1: but it seems like the men I respect have hunted

752
00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:25,800
Speaker 1: before and kind of honorable. I guess, yeah, something honorable.

753
00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:28,080
Speaker 1: But I'll tell you what clicked for me. Um So,

754
00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:29,759
Speaker 1: like those were kind of the initial feelings and it

755
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:32,840
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, there's an do you think you felt

756
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:35,839
Speaker 1: it was honorable because you've heard me talk about that

757
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:38,840
Speaker 1: are pretty close for absolutely. It's because of the people

758
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:41,520
Speaker 1: that did hunt that set the context for me. I

759
00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:43,160
Speaker 1: can see how that had would have gone. Would you

760
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:45,640
Speaker 1: if you had been in a different context, you probably

761
00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:48,719
Speaker 1: would have would you have found hunting? There's a if

762
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:51,319
Speaker 1: I had not had hunting friends, I absolutely would not

763
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:54,600
Speaker 1: have found hunting. I think by myself it would never

764
00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:56,279
Speaker 1: have been like a desire. It would have been like

765
00:48:56,960 --> 00:49:01,360
Speaker 1: a curiosity honestly. But with the friends that I've had

766
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:05,759
Speaker 1: who are hunters, they set a context. Watching them made

767
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:08,799
Speaker 1: me think like I'd like to try that. Um so, yeah,

768
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:10,479
Speaker 1: I think that that's right. And I think that also

769
00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:13,200
Speaker 1: sets kind of for the listener to think about their

770
00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:15,799
Speaker 1: people in their life and their circle. Like the way

771
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:17,960
Speaker 1: that they portray hunting has an impact because that's what

772
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:20,920
Speaker 1: attracted to That's what made me attracted to it, but

773
00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:23,840
Speaker 1: that was what got a passing interest in it. And

774
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:26,640
Speaker 1: the thing that like clicked for me and I thought

775
00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:29,560
Speaker 1: I have to do this is when Clay you said, yeah,

776
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:31,279
Speaker 1: I'll you know, I'll show you how to hunt and

777
00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:33,640
Speaker 1: give you know, give equip you, give you some info

778
00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:35,279
Speaker 1: so that you could maybe become, you know, once a

779
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:38,279
Speaker 1: year hunter, just a casual hunter. That's that's excellent, and

780
00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:40,520
Speaker 1: you might be able to take something from field to table.

781
00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:43,560
Speaker 1: And it was like, oh my gosh, I want to

782
00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:46,239
Speaker 1: do that. I really want that experience to be able

783
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:49,280
Speaker 1: to say like I harvested this game and I brought

784
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:51,759
Speaker 1: it to the table and like that sounds like a

785
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:58,040
Speaker 1: very point yeah, but definitely yeah, yeah, that's good. So

786
00:49:58,200 --> 00:50:00,600
Speaker 1: you you had we already established that you had some

787
00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:06,080
Speaker 1: background and hunting. What was it that made you want

788
00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:10,400
Speaker 1: to get more into big game hunting? Um, well, the

789
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:14,800
Speaker 1: culture around here is is towards deer hunting more nything

790
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:17,439
Speaker 1: um and and I had put down hunting for a while.

791
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:19,719
Speaker 1: I put down a lot of stuff just kind of

792
00:50:20,120 --> 00:50:23,920
Speaker 1: when I went to college and um kind of pursued

793
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:28,000
Speaker 1: music for a career for a little while. When I um,

794
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:32,360
Speaker 1: when I reached it to my priorities and got married

795
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:35,359
Speaker 1: and started having a family and really kind of got

796
00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:39,040
Speaker 1: to like sit and consider what did I value? Um,

797
00:50:39,120 --> 00:50:42,360
Speaker 1: when I wasn't just like trying to to hit like

798
00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:45,239
Speaker 1: and move forward on what I was currently focused on,

799
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:49,680
Speaker 1: one step back and saw like the like the things

800
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:52,080
Speaker 1: from my past that I really loved that that I

801
00:50:52,120 --> 00:50:54,239
Speaker 1: could connect with still here. It was hunting was one

802
00:50:54,239 --> 00:50:57,520
Speaker 1: of them. Being outdoors. I'm a huge outdoor guy. I

803
00:50:57,600 --> 00:50:59,600
Speaker 1: love camping, I love hike, and I gil running trail

804
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:03,680
Speaker 1: running the ultra runner and runs like fifty miles when

805
00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:10,279
Speaker 1: no one pursues him. Well all the way, I'd run

806
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:11,960
Speaker 1: that far as if I was running from the lawn

807
00:51:12,080 --> 00:51:16,440
Speaker 1: from a bear. That's awesome. I have a ton of

808
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:19,440
Speaker 1: respects for you for that. So I love being outdoors,

809
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:22,120
Speaker 1: and to me, like the most one of the most

810
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:25,719
Speaker 1: gratifying things is to be outdoors in that setting and

811
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:30,080
Speaker 1: to hunt or fish and so like taking game, um

812
00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:33,600
Speaker 1: and so to me like that, To me, it's silly

813
00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:35,920
Speaker 1: that people would want to hunt, run ultras or go

814
00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:38,640
Speaker 1: camping and then not value going hunting. It's like you're

815
00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:43,120
Speaker 1: missing a piece of being outdoors if you're not taking it.

816
00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:46,000
Speaker 1: It's like, at least learn how to forage, at least

817
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:49,640
Speaker 1: the land you feel like you're running is like an

818
00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:54,560
Speaker 1: immersion into the outdoors. Absolutely, And you see that connected

819
00:51:54,560 --> 00:51:58,640
Speaker 1: to hunting personally. I like people people that ultra that

820
00:51:58,719 --> 00:52:03,400
Speaker 1: run ultras don't but don't hunt or fish or forage,

821
00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:06,880
Speaker 1: Like there's an aspect of being out in that in

822
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:10,279
Speaker 1: that intense situation, but you can't even fully appreciate it

823
00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:12,760
Speaker 1: because it's a whole aspect of being in the woods

824
00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:15,560
Speaker 1: and being back in that kind of context that they're

825
00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:17,840
Speaker 1: just missing out on. And then they'll go back and

826
00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:21,240
Speaker 1: this is where I'll jab at my my ultra running community,

827
00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:23,560
Speaker 1: and then they'll go back and be vegan and be like, oh,

828
00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:25,720
Speaker 1: that was a great hunter mile run to the woods.

829
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:28,719
Speaker 1: I'm gonna finish it off with some soy milk. So

830
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:32,320
Speaker 1: the the ultra run would kind of be a throwback

831
00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:36,759
Speaker 1: to like paleo man that had to cover long distances

832
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:41,759
Speaker 1: at different times. Ultra runners like there's there's there's kind

833
00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:43,759
Speaker 1: of two classes of ultra runners. There's like the ultra

834
00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:46,640
Speaker 1: runner that's the elite athlete that's like trying to be fast,

835
00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:51,240
Speaker 1: and those guys are like science and super athletic focus

836
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:53,600
Speaker 1: and all those stuff, and then there's everybody else. And

837
00:52:53,600 --> 00:52:57,600
Speaker 1: everybody else in the ultra running community is kind of Joe.

838
00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:00,000
Speaker 1: And this is gonna sound dumb because I'm talking about

839
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:04,560
Speaker 1: we're run anything over uh A normal marathons an ultra marathon,

840
00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:10,440
Speaker 1: So thirty miles in the woods nine times out of ten? Uh.

841
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:12,920
Speaker 1: There those are just Joe, average people that are willing

842
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:14,919
Speaker 1: to go gut it out in the woods for half

843
00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:17,400
Speaker 1: a day or a day. They're not doing it super fast,

844
00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:20,640
Speaker 1: they're not running the whole time. There there's a whole

845
00:53:20,719 --> 00:53:23,640
Speaker 1: like swath of people that that's what they do and

846
00:53:23,680 --> 00:53:26,680
Speaker 1: they're not they're not like elite athletes. They're just Joe,

847
00:53:26,680 --> 00:53:28,719
Speaker 1: average folks that go got go, get out in the

848
00:53:28,719 --> 00:53:32,160
Speaker 1: woods and push their boundaries in those ways. And and

849
00:53:32,200 --> 00:53:34,080
Speaker 1: that was a part of the appeal for me, that

850
00:53:34,080 --> 00:53:36,360
Speaker 1: that pulled me into it um and I've worked to

851
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:40,000
Speaker 1: get faster at it, but that that appeal is the

852
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:43,720
Speaker 1: same thing that that makes me love being out hunting

853
00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:46,560
Speaker 1: and fishing and living off the land and camping. And

854
00:53:46,560 --> 00:53:49,080
Speaker 1: so it's just this whole package of just like going

855
00:53:49,120 --> 00:53:53,480
Speaker 1: away from modern trappings and ease and going and doing

856
00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:58,880
Speaker 1: things like that are gratifying and require troubleshooting, require skill,

857
00:53:59,080 --> 00:54:03,040
Speaker 1: require patient, require this whole host of things that I

858
00:54:03,080 --> 00:54:07,280
Speaker 1: don't exercise as a as a software developer or somebody

859
00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:10,640
Speaker 1: sitting around watching Netflix. And so it sharpens those parts

860
00:54:10,640 --> 00:54:13,600
Speaker 1: of me that I value and I love that I

861
00:54:13,680 --> 00:54:18,200
Speaker 1: don't get sharpened in my everyday life. That's good. So

862
00:54:18,239 --> 00:54:20,680
Speaker 1: that and and and I got into one of the

863
00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:23,719
Speaker 1: deer hunt because you know, deer hunting is is what

864
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:26,920
Speaker 1: we do here in northwest Arkansas. UM. You know, I

865
00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:30,080
Speaker 1: was waterfowl hunting in South Texas because nobody really deer hunted,

866
00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:32,640
Speaker 1: and everybody who did talked about honestly to talk about

867
00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:35,799
Speaker 1: going to Arkansas to hunt. And there's some good deer

868
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:37,880
Speaker 1: hunting in Texas, don't get me wrong. But where you

869
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:39,680
Speaker 1: were at, there wasn't where I was at, there wasn't

870
00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:43,080
Speaker 1: a whole lot that we were not much, if any.

871
00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:45,920
Speaker 1: And you you'd go into dearly down in like scrub

872
00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:49,520
Speaker 1: brush like Mesquite country and and and hunt there. But

873
00:54:49,560 --> 00:54:53,479
Speaker 1: the public land was readily available for waterfowl and duh.

874
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:55,880
Speaker 1: You just go out into the flats, which is like

875
00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:58,840
Speaker 1: the Bay Area, and there were dub lines everywhere, and

876
00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:01,319
Speaker 1: you know it wasn't locked. Now there was a big

877
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:03,000
Speaker 1: sign to say, get off my duck blind. You just

878
00:55:03,120 --> 00:55:05,640
Speaker 1: roll into a random duck blind, throw your decoys out,

879
00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:07,160
Speaker 1: hunt there, or you don't even have to have a

880
00:55:07,239 --> 00:55:09,839
Speaker 1: duck blind, just chilling the in the reeds and throw

881
00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:12,960
Speaker 1: out your decoys and call them in and hut. So

882
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:15,640
Speaker 1: when you started deer hunt, and though I know a

883
00:55:15,640 --> 00:55:18,319
Speaker 1: big part of it was to get meat. Yeah, Oh yeah,

884
00:55:18,320 --> 00:55:21,239
Speaker 1: I love I love eating while game. Yeah, and I

885
00:55:21,320 --> 00:55:23,680
Speaker 1: missed that. And and that's that, that's that field to

886
00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:28,480
Speaker 1: table aspect of it, like I wouldn't. Yeah, eating eating

887
00:55:28,520 --> 00:55:31,919
Speaker 1: what I what I kill is super gratifying for sure. Yeah,

888
00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:34,040
Speaker 1: and your family loves and now Sarah didn't grow up

889
00:55:34,040 --> 00:55:36,640
Speaker 1: eating eating wild game. Your wife, she didn't grow up

890
00:55:36,680 --> 00:55:38,919
Speaker 1: eating wild game. But she she loves it, she loves

891
00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:41,600
Speaker 1: killing it. Now, it's healthy everything about it. Frustrated that

892
00:55:41,640 --> 00:55:44,480
Speaker 1: I did not get eight year this year and yet

893
00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:49,000
Speaker 1: modern guns over. But it's also it'll open back up

894
00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:51,399
Speaker 1: at Christmas trying to get out there then, is that

895
00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:53,359
Speaker 1: when that's what I'm gonna try and go again. Yes,

896
00:55:54,120 --> 00:55:58,640
Speaker 1: we're gonna take him on Christmas. You gotta come for real. Yeah,

897
00:55:58,880 --> 00:56:02,080
Speaker 1: but that's good, the go ahead. No, I just to

898
00:56:02,200 --> 00:56:03,959
Speaker 1: jump off of one of the first points I said,

899
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:06,360
Speaker 1: I didn't need to even realize that something that impacted

900
00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:08,399
Speaker 1: me as well. And I wouldn't have even been able

901
00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:10,920
Speaker 1: to articulate this until I talked about getting out of nature.

902
00:56:11,239 --> 00:56:13,560
Speaker 1: A couple of years ago, we started having a local

903
00:56:13,560 --> 00:56:16,880
Speaker 1: film festival called the Banf Mountain Film Festival. The films

904
00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:19,400
Speaker 1: from Banff, Canada that came out here and they showed

905
00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:23,279
Speaker 1: definitely no hunting films, but they were films about outdoors

906
00:56:23,520 --> 00:56:27,680
Speaker 1: and outdoor life and it was really beautiful, totally outside

907
00:56:27,719 --> 00:56:29,920
Speaker 1: of anything I had ever experienced before, and I do

908
00:56:30,040 --> 00:56:32,440
Speaker 1: connect to that. A is like that also and you

909
00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:35,520
Speaker 1: know made me more interested in getting out in nature

910
00:56:35,560 --> 00:56:38,560
Speaker 1: and and thinking about hunting like that had a connection.

911
00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:40,760
Speaker 1: So just a jumping off point of like, yeah, getting

912
00:56:40,760 --> 00:56:44,640
Speaker 1: outside and connecting with nature definitely planted some seats. And

913
00:56:44,640 --> 00:56:46,759
Speaker 1: those folks don't make sense to me. I love the

914
00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:50,320
Speaker 1: outdoor community of all aspects, but the like the people

915
00:56:50,360 --> 00:56:52,880
Speaker 1: that are huge outdoors folks but don't connect to hunting

916
00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:55,680
Speaker 1: and just like that just there's a huge disconnect there,

917
00:56:55,680 --> 00:56:58,800
Speaker 1: like how do you not like I understand seeing the

918
00:56:58,840 --> 00:57:01,960
Speaker 1: beauty of an animal, but doesn't mean that like I

919
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:05,000
Speaker 1: can't take that animal and see And that's where you

920
00:57:05,719 --> 00:57:11,440
Speaker 1: like be all weird and be like circle alife. They

921
00:57:11,480 --> 00:57:13,920
Speaker 1: would be saying about us right now if they were

922
00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:17,360
Speaker 1: if if rock climbers, and you know, they might be

923
00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:20,360
Speaker 1: saying they might be saying, man, I understand guys wanting

924
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:22,520
Speaker 1: to get out. But I don't understand killing an animal

925
00:57:23,320 --> 00:57:26,640
Speaker 1: like they would have that same barrier, because I mean,

926
00:57:26,680 --> 00:57:29,040
Speaker 1: I'm I'm exactly the same. What we all are. People

927
00:57:29,080 --> 00:57:32,360
Speaker 1: that listen, people that that that want to hunt and

928
00:57:32,360 --> 00:57:36,160
Speaker 1: get hunt, get hunting. You know, they see an animal

929
00:57:36,200 --> 00:57:38,360
Speaker 1: and they want to interact with that animal more than

930
00:57:38,440 --> 00:57:40,640
Speaker 1: just look at it and take a picture of it,

931
00:57:41,080 --> 00:57:45,280
Speaker 1: you know. And I mean, it's so fundamentally human. That's

932
00:57:45,280 --> 00:57:51,920
Speaker 1: why it's so bizarre, absolutely bizarre, that culturally the planet

933
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:56,320
Speaker 1: is shifting into this place of you know, hunting, these irrelevant.

934
00:57:56,640 --> 00:57:59,120
Speaker 1: These are barbarians. These are murderers. Do you know that?

935
00:57:59,200 --> 00:58:04,880
Speaker 1: About once every three weeks, I'll say I give the

936
00:58:04,880 --> 00:58:08,760
Speaker 1: definition of murder to a commenter on our YouTube channel

937
00:58:09,320 --> 00:58:12,640
Speaker 1: that uh I and I respond to some YouTube comments

938
00:58:12,760 --> 00:58:16,520
Speaker 1: where they say murder and uh, and I come back

939
00:58:16,520 --> 00:58:18,800
Speaker 1: on real, I say, thank you so much for your

940
00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:22,560
Speaker 1: insightful comment. Uh. The actual definition of murder is and

941
00:58:22,600 --> 00:58:26,240
Speaker 1: it you know, involves like contemplation of killing a human.

942
00:58:26,560 --> 00:58:29,880
Speaker 1: And I'm like, this is not murder. Uh, you know,

943
00:58:30,160 --> 00:58:32,640
Speaker 1: and you know I don't do that a lot. People.

944
00:58:32,680 --> 00:58:35,800
Speaker 1: If I tell people that Colby cut this from the podcast,

945
00:58:35,960 --> 00:58:38,120
Speaker 1: people think I'm crazy if they see I'm talking to

946
00:58:38,200 --> 00:58:41,440
Speaker 1: myout YouTube commenters that are but no point b And

947
00:58:41,600 --> 00:58:45,240
Speaker 1: it's bizarre. It's bizarre that this idea of killing an animal,

948
00:58:45,560 --> 00:58:49,560
Speaker 1: using it for meat, using it for wildlife related commodities

949
00:58:49,720 --> 00:58:53,160
Speaker 1: is a negative thing. Bizarre. You know maybe this you

950
00:58:53,200 --> 00:58:56,320
Speaker 1: go ahead, No, Well, I was gonna say, like and

951
00:58:56,360 --> 00:58:59,760
Speaker 1: that societal gatekeeping is kind of a barrier, so I'll

952
00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:02,280
Speaker 1: point the time. Yeah, so I'll point this out. People

953
00:59:02,320 --> 00:59:07,080
Speaker 1: won't know this obviously. Clay and the Bear Hunting Magazine

954
00:59:07,080 --> 00:59:10,680
Speaker 1: team just came out with these awesome new uh hats

955
00:59:10,760 --> 00:59:13,800
Speaker 1: and everything with the bear dog, bear grease, flashing mule.

956
00:59:13,880 --> 00:59:19,040
Speaker 1: Those patches like completely unrelated. Jonathan and I both rolled

957
00:59:19,080 --> 00:59:21,760
Speaker 1: in with a flashing mule hat on where I where

958
00:59:21,880 --> 00:59:24,320
Speaker 1: when I run? Now, I love the hat Jonathan's got

959
00:59:24,360 --> 00:59:26,840
Speaker 1: his on. You'll notice we didn't get and I could.

960
00:59:26,840 --> 00:59:29,240
Speaker 1: I'll speak it for myself, but I'm sure pretty confident

961
00:59:29,320 --> 00:59:32,160
Speaker 1: that Jonathan will come along with me here. Didn't get

962
00:59:32,160 --> 00:59:34,960
Speaker 1: bear dog, didn't get bear grease. I've never been on

963
00:59:34,960 --> 00:59:37,160
Speaker 1: a bear hunt. I don't want anybody looking at that

964
00:59:37,200 --> 00:59:39,640
Speaker 1: hat and asking me about it and me not being

965
00:59:39,680 --> 00:59:43,840
Speaker 1: able to identify totally because either a there's somebody's gonna

966
00:59:43,840 --> 00:59:44,960
Speaker 1: be like, well, what are you doing. We're in that

967
00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:48,000
Speaker 1: hat you're not a bear hunter from one side of

968
00:59:48,080 --> 00:59:50,320
Speaker 1: the hunters who would do that, and then on the

969
00:59:50,320 --> 00:59:53,680
Speaker 1: other side the folks who would ask that and and

970
00:59:53,760 --> 00:59:56,720
Speaker 1: not have the contacts and not be an advocate of hunting.

971
00:59:57,080 --> 01:00:01,000
Speaker 1: And so it's just like it's the says the Switzerland

972
01:00:01,120 --> 01:00:07,760
Speaker 1: of your merch, right of your merch And it's one thing,

973
01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:11,440
Speaker 1: and it's one thing that's kept me. I've subscribed on

974
01:00:11,480 --> 01:00:13,920
Speaker 1: and off and gotten the DVDs and stuff, but as

975
01:00:13,960 --> 01:00:16,920
Speaker 1: far as like merchandizing that I wear and I've actually

976
01:00:16,960 --> 01:00:19,280
Speaker 1: talked about like it's it's kept me from buying it

977
01:00:19,280 --> 01:00:22,320
Speaker 1: because I'm just like man and I've never I mean,

978
01:00:22,360 --> 01:00:24,680
Speaker 1: the moment I go on a bear hunt like one,

979
01:00:25,200 --> 01:00:26,640
Speaker 1: I'd be like, all right, I could buy all this

980
01:00:26,680 --> 01:00:31,080
Speaker 1: stuff with bear hunter being in the woods trying to

981
01:00:31,160 --> 01:00:33,880
Speaker 1: hunt a bear. But until then, like I just like

982
01:00:33,960 --> 01:00:36,040
Speaker 1: there's a barrier there that I just don't feel comfortable.

983
01:00:36,040 --> 01:00:38,520
Speaker 1: You feel a little bit of that social barrier absolutely

984
01:00:38,560 --> 01:00:41,480
Speaker 1: of somebody being negative. Either somebody is saying you're not

985
01:00:41,560 --> 01:00:43,840
Speaker 1: a bear hunter because you've never bear hunted, and so

986
01:00:43,920 --> 01:00:46,520
Speaker 1: you're not one of us, or you're not a bear hunter,

987
01:00:46,560 --> 01:00:49,040
Speaker 1: and why you why are you posing like a bear hunter?

988
01:00:49,920 --> 01:00:53,320
Speaker 1: The hunters are dumb anyway. Like, so from both sides

989
01:00:53,360 --> 01:00:56,600
Speaker 1: of it, there's like and obviously not within our social

990
01:00:56,600 --> 01:01:00,360
Speaker 1: group like directly, but like on the outside of that,

991
01:01:00,400 --> 01:01:04,080
Speaker 1: like there's there's some of that there that doesn't keep

992
01:01:04,080 --> 01:01:06,080
Speaker 1: me from bear hunting, but that keeps me from having

993
01:01:06,160 --> 01:01:08,000
Speaker 1: a bear hunting sticker on the back of my truck.

994
01:01:08,080 --> 01:01:11,800
Speaker 1: Sure that makes sense. Well, what would you guys say

995
01:01:12,080 --> 01:01:15,120
Speaker 1: would be the biggest barriers to entry? I mean, just

996
01:01:15,160 --> 01:01:18,960
Speaker 1: to jump into, like what what would be the things

997
01:01:19,080 --> 01:01:24,360
Speaker 1: that would keep someone from doing what you've done? Because

998
01:01:24,720 --> 01:01:29,280
Speaker 1: I think both of you would have probably. I mean,

999
01:01:29,880 --> 01:01:32,680
Speaker 1: it's it seems like, you know, having a friend that

1000
01:01:32,760 --> 01:01:38,240
Speaker 1: was big in the hunting and uh what was it was?

1001
01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:41,680
Speaker 1: It was help? But what Jonathan, I know you have

1002
01:01:41,760 --> 01:01:45,400
Speaker 1: notes ry talk to me. I made a list. Okay,

1003
01:01:45,400 --> 01:01:47,120
Speaker 1: I'll just run over these really quick. But like the

1004
01:01:47,200 --> 01:01:49,160
Speaker 1: very first thing, which I think is the biggest one,

1005
01:01:49,280 --> 01:01:51,840
Speaker 1: was like, where do you even start? I had never hunted.

1006
01:01:52,200 --> 01:01:55,120
Speaker 1: I owned a owned a shotgun that I wanted a raffle,

1007
01:01:55,200 --> 01:01:57,840
Speaker 1: but I had no other firearms, right, did I want

1008
01:01:57,840 --> 01:02:00,440
Speaker 1: a shotgun in a raffle? I'm lucky. I'm lucky skunk.

1009
01:02:00,880 --> 01:02:04,440
Speaker 1: But even if I had owned a rifle, like, I

1010
01:02:04,720 --> 01:02:07,080
Speaker 1: don't even know where to start, I mean, public land,

1011
01:02:07,200 --> 01:02:09,040
Speaker 1: I didn't even know what you could or couldn't do

1012
01:02:09,120 --> 01:02:11,640
Speaker 1: in terms of with game wardens and stuff. Yeah, I

1013
01:02:11,640 --> 01:02:14,320
Speaker 1: went to hunter's education course, but like even when we

1014
01:02:14,360 --> 01:02:16,560
Speaker 1: went hunting, I even had to clarify, like, Okay, if

1015
01:02:16,560 --> 01:02:18,120
Speaker 1: I do get a deer, I'm not supposed to move

1016
01:02:18,120 --> 01:02:19,960
Speaker 1: it until I put something on it right and take

1017
01:02:19,960 --> 01:02:21,960
Speaker 1: a picture of it, or like I just didn't even know.

1018
01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:24,320
Speaker 1: And yeah, you could google a lot of that, but

1019
01:02:24,640 --> 01:02:27,560
Speaker 1: in a very practical sense, all that stuff is learned

1020
01:02:27,840 --> 01:02:33,600
Speaker 1: very quickly and just a minimal amount of exposure inside

1021
01:02:33,600 --> 01:02:37,960
Speaker 1: of hunting. Socially, Yes, it's transmitted social Yeah, there's not

1022
01:02:38,040 --> 01:02:41,480
Speaker 1: a single website that you're gonna go to that's gonna

1023
01:02:41,520 --> 01:02:45,160
Speaker 1: answer all your unique questions about hunting. It's almost like

1024
01:02:45,240 --> 01:02:47,360
Speaker 1: you have to go, and once you go, you get it.

1025
01:02:47,760 --> 01:02:50,600
Speaker 1: You realize that tagging an animals not really that hard

1026
01:02:50,680 --> 01:02:52,960
Speaker 1: of a thing. It may seem like it, I mean

1027
01:02:53,000 --> 01:02:56,080
Speaker 1: like it was surprising some of the questions Johnthan asked

1028
01:02:56,080 --> 01:02:58,680
Speaker 1: me when I had the other day, it was like, uh,

1029
01:02:59,800 --> 01:03:01,880
Speaker 1: turn not tagging the deer. I mean I didn't even

1030
01:03:01,920 --> 01:03:04,320
Speaker 1: think about that. I mean because obviously we were going

1031
01:03:04,360 --> 01:03:07,040
Speaker 1: to tag the deer correctly, and he wasn't even gonna

1032
01:03:07,080 --> 01:03:08,560
Speaker 1: need to worry about it. Like I didn't even think

1033
01:03:08,600 --> 01:03:12,280
Speaker 1: about if you kill a deer, don't tag you know.

1034
01:03:12,320 --> 01:03:14,680
Speaker 1: I mean, like maybe we should have gone over that,

1035
01:03:14,720 --> 01:03:16,320
Speaker 1: but to me, it was just a non issue. We

1036
01:03:16,320 --> 01:03:17,680
Speaker 1: were going to do it. If I got one, I

1037
01:03:17,720 --> 01:03:19,440
Speaker 1: was gonna come get you. You were gonna but you

1038
01:03:19,480 --> 01:03:21,760
Speaker 1: weren't gonna be dragging it out by yourself. But it

1039
01:03:21,840 --> 01:03:24,120
Speaker 1: was still an unknown to me. Like, and I feel

1040
01:03:24,160 --> 01:03:26,960
Speaker 1: like there are so many things about hunting that are

1041
01:03:27,000 --> 01:03:29,920
Speaker 1: just unknowns that you have to Yeah, you need to

1042
01:03:29,920 --> 01:03:32,360
Speaker 1: get a social connection to know them, because there's not

1043
01:03:32,480 --> 01:03:35,120
Speaker 1: like it's not very google herble. I guess it's it

1044
01:03:35,200 --> 01:03:38,600
Speaker 1: really is aspects of this world that's transmitted through people.

1045
01:03:38,800 --> 01:03:40,520
Speaker 1: So like I didn't even know where to start. I

1046
01:03:40,520 --> 01:03:42,640
Speaker 1: didn't know, Like I know that there's public lands, but

1047
01:03:42,680 --> 01:03:44,000
Speaker 1: I don't know what you can do on them. And

1048
01:03:44,240 --> 01:03:47,560
Speaker 1: it's stuff, it's information you could research and find out

1049
01:03:47,600 --> 01:03:50,760
Speaker 1: but I just didn't have a context socially to understand

1050
01:03:50,800 --> 01:03:52,320
Speaker 1: that stuff. So that was like the biggest else is

1051
01:03:52,360 --> 01:03:56,240
Speaker 1: on your list? Okay, so not just basic knowledge, um

1052
01:03:56,680 --> 01:04:02,280
Speaker 1: another real quick just that uh, without that knowledge with

1053
01:04:02,360 --> 01:04:06,360
Speaker 1: hunting specifically, there's a lot of like problems that you

1054
01:04:06,360 --> 01:04:08,720
Speaker 1: can have because like the law, like it's game boarding

1055
01:04:08,880 --> 01:04:11,960
Speaker 1: and then like firearms safety things like that. It's not

1056
01:04:12,000 --> 01:04:15,160
Speaker 1: like I don't have knowledge. I was to watch YouTube video. Yeah,

1057
01:04:15,200 --> 01:04:20,440
Speaker 1: it's very high stakes. You're ignorant. Yeah, it's it's it

1058
01:04:20,560 --> 01:04:23,840
Speaker 1: is high stakes. It's not like going to the it's

1059
01:04:23,880 --> 01:04:29,080
Speaker 1: not like going to play disc golf where it's not

1060
01:04:29,160 --> 01:04:32,800
Speaker 1: like where you go out and whether you know the

1061
01:04:32,840 --> 01:04:35,800
Speaker 1: rules or not. Right, it's not that big, not that

1062
01:04:35,840 --> 01:04:39,440
Speaker 1: big of consequences. But if you carried a firearm, you're

1063
01:04:39,800 --> 01:04:42,360
Speaker 1: you're hunting something that if you got it wrong, you

1064
01:04:42,400 --> 01:04:47,000
Speaker 1: could experienced stiff penalties from the law. I'll see how

1065
01:04:47,000 --> 01:04:50,200
Speaker 1: there it would be like scary maybe, yeah, I just

1066
01:04:50,240 --> 01:04:52,080
Speaker 1: want to throw that in there. That's good. The ignorance

1067
01:04:52,120 --> 01:04:54,680
Speaker 1: comes with big consequences. Think you can't like just kind

1068
01:04:54,680 --> 01:04:56,400
Speaker 1: of tell the game boarding like oh this is my

1069
01:04:56,440 --> 01:05:00,680
Speaker 1: first time officer. Oh well brother, you should have watched

1070
01:05:00,680 --> 01:05:02,360
Speaker 1: this YouTube video before he came out here. Hold on,

1071
01:05:02,360 --> 01:05:04,640
Speaker 1: I'll send it to you. Yeah. No, that's a very

1072
01:05:04,640 --> 01:05:07,400
Speaker 1: real that's a really, very real consideration. Um. I think

1073
01:05:07,440 --> 01:05:10,080
Speaker 1: another a lot of the rest of my listener really practical,

1074
01:05:10,200 --> 01:05:13,120
Speaker 1: like gun season versus bow season. Like I own a shotgun.

1075
01:05:13,280 --> 01:05:14,840
Speaker 1: I can go hunting with a shotgun. You help me

1076
01:05:14,920 --> 01:05:18,400
Speaker 1: figure that out. But it's a very small window. And

1077
01:05:18,480 --> 01:05:21,480
Speaker 1: so I have to kind of bend my life a

1078
01:05:21,480 --> 01:05:25,120
Speaker 1: little bit around this small window. And am I do

1079
01:05:25,160 --> 01:05:26,800
Speaker 1: I want to get a bow? Do I want to

1080
01:05:26,960 --> 01:05:29,840
Speaker 1: pick that up? That requires more practice and more information,

1081
01:05:29,920 --> 01:05:33,840
Speaker 1: and I guess a deeper commitment. Um. So that was

1082
01:05:33,880 --> 01:05:36,720
Speaker 1: another thing. Another thing is real. These three things I

1083
01:05:36,720 --> 01:05:39,440
Speaker 1: think are pretty funny, like land to go on. I

1084
01:05:39,480 --> 01:05:42,280
Speaker 1: don't have connections of people who landowners who would let

1085
01:05:42,320 --> 01:05:44,560
Speaker 1: me go. Um, I guess I could go on public land,

1086
01:05:44,560 --> 01:05:46,840
Speaker 1: but we've already talked about that. This one's really funny,

1087
01:05:46,840 --> 01:05:49,000
Speaker 1: but it's a very real consideration. And I thought about

1088
01:05:49,000 --> 01:05:51,480
Speaker 1: it even after we went hunting and I didn't get anything.

1089
01:05:51,520 --> 01:05:53,800
Speaker 1: I thought I could go again by myself. And then

1090
01:05:53,840 --> 01:05:56,840
Speaker 1: I thought of this one thing. A vehicle I drive

1091
01:05:56,880 --> 01:06:00,800
Speaker 1: a Ford Focus. I drive a Ford Focus. How am

1092
01:06:00,800 --> 01:06:02,840
Speaker 1: I going to get a deer? If I get a

1093
01:06:02,880 --> 01:06:06,560
Speaker 1: deer to a processor or even attempt to process it myself.

1094
01:06:06,640 --> 01:06:09,160
Speaker 1: I don't own a deep freezer like I guess I

1095
01:06:09,200 --> 01:06:12,160
Speaker 1: could go get one, but like there's just these multiple

1096
01:06:12,480 --> 01:06:16,480
Speaker 1: buying a deep freezer to Sam's. It's just like multiple.

1097
01:06:17,800 --> 01:06:23,400
Speaker 1: That's great because I've never thought of that in my life,

1098
01:06:23,800 --> 01:06:27,240
Speaker 1: that a barrier to entry would be. I've got a

1099
01:06:27,280 --> 01:06:30,200
Speaker 1: car and I can't haul what I killed back very easily.

1100
01:06:30,520 --> 01:06:34,120
Speaker 1: Now let me inform you that you can. You can

1101
01:06:34,160 --> 01:06:36,400
Speaker 1: put that sucker right on the top. Bring you two

1102
01:06:36,480 --> 01:06:40,440
Speaker 1: ratchet straps, open the doors, put them right on top,

1103
01:06:41,320 --> 01:06:45,520
Speaker 1: ratchet strap inside the car, around the open doors, over

1104
01:06:45,600 --> 01:06:48,960
Speaker 1: the top, wrap it in the tarp. Surely there is

1105
01:06:48,960 --> 01:06:53,240
Speaker 1: a YouTube video that will Hey, this is John Smith,

1106
01:06:53,280 --> 01:06:54,800
Speaker 1: want to show you how to tie deer to the

1107
01:06:54,880 --> 01:06:58,320
Speaker 1: top of your Ford Focus. Here we go. Well, no,

1108
01:06:58,560 --> 01:07:03,040
Speaker 1: that's great, that's great. Um, very good, very good. Well,

1109
01:07:03,160 --> 01:07:07,360
Speaker 1: let me just pivot route to top barriers sentry. I mean,

1110
01:07:07,360 --> 01:07:12,240
Speaker 1: if you if you even be concise kind of like, um,

1111
01:07:12,480 --> 01:07:17,520
Speaker 1: time is one of them. Time. Deer hunting especially takes time. UM,

1112
01:07:17,600 --> 01:07:21,560
Speaker 1: and I think a lot of of the barriers for me,

1113
01:07:22,680 --> 01:07:26,120
Speaker 1: um well will kind of be specific to deer hunting,

1114
01:07:27,680 --> 01:07:34,360
Speaker 1: but um, deer hunting is largely autonomous. Like I grew up,

1115
01:07:35,040 --> 01:07:37,440
Speaker 1: you know, dove and duck hunting, which is fairly social.

1116
01:07:38,080 --> 01:07:41,040
Speaker 1: Um deer hunting. You you might go with some guys

1117
01:07:41,080 --> 01:07:42,600
Speaker 1: to deer camp and then but then you just go

1118
01:07:42,720 --> 01:07:47,040
Speaker 1: disappear to your stand and you're like deliberately really far

1119
01:07:47,120 --> 01:07:51,000
Speaker 1: from folks. And so that to me, there's a lot

1120
01:07:51,000 --> 01:07:55,120
Speaker 1: of those I've all my learning about hunting was done

1121
01:07:55,160 --> 01:07:59,880
Speaker 1: socially through friends and stuff growing up, and like we

1122
01:08:00,200 --> 01:08:03,040
Speaker 1: we all went out together in a group, and so

1123
01:08:03,120 --> 01:08:06,160
Speaker 1: you gain all that stuff through the social interaction. With

1124
01:08:06,280 --> 01:08:09,280
Speaker 1: deer hunting being so autonomous, you've got to get up

1125
01:08:09,320 --> 01:08:11,280
Speaker 1: to speed real quick on a bunch of information and

1126
01:08:11,320 --> 01:08:14,360
Speaker 1: then be able to be by yourself. And so that

1127
01:08:14,360 --> 01:08:16,000
Speaker 1: I never thought of it, like yeah, and so that

1128
01:08:16,360 --> 01:08:18,720
Speaker 1: you're not you're not sitting by your buddy in the

1129
01:08:18,760 --> 01:08:22,400
Speaker 1: blind and he goes shoot. Now, yeah, exactly, I don't

1130
01:08:22,439 --> 01:08:25,360
Speaker 1: take that shot. That's a bad shot. Like none of that,

1131
01:08:24,439 --> 01:08:28,759
Speaker 1: you know, and uh, and you you that gets transferred

1132
01:08:28,800 --> 01:08:30,880
Speaker 1: to your kids most of the time because you're taking

1133
01:08:30,920 --> 01:08:32,479
Speaker 1: them out there and they are sitting to blind with you.

1134
01:08:32,800 --> 01:08:34,599
Speaker 1: But I mean, you don't want to be the guy

1135
01:08:34,600 --> 01:08:37,799
Speaker 1: who's just like, hey, Clay, can I sitting tear standing

1136
01:08:38,320 --> 01:08:45,120
Speaker 1: next to you? Exactly exactly. You don't want to be

1137
01:08:45,160 --> 01:08:46,800
Speaker 1: that guy. So you're just like, I've got to get

1138
01:08:46,840 --> 01:08:49,120
Speaker 1: all this information in my brain so I can get

1139
01:08:49,200 --> 01:08:51,360
Speaker 1: up to speed fast and then go get into deer woods.

1140
01:08:51,720 --> 01:08:55,680
Speaker 1: And that's challenging. Um uh and so and so that

1141
01:08:55,800 --> 01:08:59,360
Speaker 1: was that was a big one. Um but getting you know,

1142
01:08:59,439 --> 01:09:03,160
Speaker 1: I had shotguns, getting my rifle, Um, I haven't bought

1143
01:09:03,200 --> 01:09:06,800
Speaker 1: one yet, so I'm actually using someone else's rifle because

1144
01:09:06,800 --> 01:09:09,080
Speaker 1: the season was so short, and it took me Like

1145
01:09:09,120 --> 01:09:10,920
Speaker 1: this season was frustrating because it was like, all right,

1146
01:09:10,920 --> 01:09:13,160
Speaker 1: I need to get my rifle. And there was definitely

1147
01:09:13,200 --> 01:09:15,559
Speaker 1: some feet dragging on my end. I had other stuff

1148
01:09:15,600 --> 01:09:18,120
Speaker 1: going on. I had to get the rifle. When out

1149
01:09:18,120 --> 01:09:19,840
Speaker 1: shot the rifle, make sure it was sighted in, make

1150
01:09:19,880 --> 01:09:21,600
Speaker 1: sure it was good, try and figure out if I

1151
01:09:21,640 --> 01:09:23,080
Speaker 1: was going to try and do public land or not.

1152
01:09:23,160 --> 01:09:27,480
Speaker 1: And around here public land is almost exclusively bow and muzzleloading,

1153
01:09:28,040 --> 01:09:30,280
Speaker 1: and so it's like okay, and and then I had

1154
01:09:30,280 --> 01:09:33,599
Speaker 1: a couple of folks I just like Throughout the year,

1155
01:09:33,600 --> 01:09:35,360
Speaker 1: I had been kind of putting fuelers out for land

1156
01:09:35,400 --> 01:09:37,400
Speaker 1: to hunt so that I wasn't just going to u

1157
01:09:37,439 --> 01:09:40,720
Speaker 1: clay and being my source of hunting land. I want

1158
01:09:40,720 --> 01:09:42,840
Speaker 1: to be autonomous. I want to be able to go

1159
01:09:42,960 --> 01:09:46,200
Speaker 1: hunt on my own. And uh I had a guy

1160
01:09:46,560 --> 01:09:49,160
Speaker 1: fall through on me, like, man, I I'd love to

1161
01:09:49,200 --> 01:09:50,720
Speaker 1: let you hunt, I just can't do it this year.

1162
01:09:50,880 --> 01:09:52,479
Speaker 1: Maybe next year. I was like, yeah, you bet. You know,

1163
01:09:52,520 --> 01:09:54,680
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna push the matter. And then somebody just

1164
01:09:54,680 --> 01:09:56,559
Speaker 1: ghosted me that was just like we got this leaves

1165
01:09:56,560 --> 01:09:57,960
Speaker 1: out here, you can come hunt it whenever you want,

1166
01:09:58,240 --> 01:09:59,920
Speaker 1: like sure, And I was just like, hey about that hunting,

1167
01:10:00,600 --> 01:10:02,840
Speaker 1: and it's just like crickets. It's like, okay, cool, I'm

1168
01:10:02,840 --> 01:10:05,240
Speaker 1: just gonna leave that alone because it was a former

1169
01:10:05,400 --> 01:10:08,000
Speaker 1: co worker who didn't work with me anymore, so he's gone,

1170
01:10:08,800 --> 01:10:12,439
Speaker 1: uh and uh so stuff like that, and then this

1171
01:10:12,760 --> 01:10:15,679
Speaker 1: I think this gun season was less than a month

1172
01:10:16,320 --> 01:10:21,160
Speaker 1: modern gun this year, and uh so those things. I

1173
01:10:21,200 --> 01:10:24,080
Speaker 1: just couldn't get everything put together. When I finally got

1174
01:10:24,920 --> 01:10:27,400
Speaker 1: uh the rifle and got it where I needed it,

1175
01:10:27,439 --> 01:10:29,559
Speaker 1: and it was like, okay, I gotta get the land

1176
01:10:29,960 --> 01:10:32,760
Speaker 1: worked out, and what I thought I had, I didn't have,

1177
01:10:32,880 --> 01:10:36,080
Speaker 1: and so it's like, okay, scrambled, and it's just like, honestly,

1178
01:10:36,120 --> 01:10:37,960
Speaker 1: like I know, you've got so much stuff going on.

1179
01:10:38,080 --> 01:10:40,320
Speaker 1: I don't want and I did eventually before the season

1180
01:10:40,360 --> 01:10:43,559
Speaker 1: was over, reached out and it was just like talking hunting.

1181
01:10:43,600 --> 01:10:45,280
Speaker 1: But you were already taking a bunch of people. And

1182
01:10:45,320 --> 01:10:47,800
Speaker 1: that's just the aspect of it, Like you're kind of

1183
01:10:48,840 --> 01:10:51,439
Speaker 1: the I'm a ham radio guy too, because I just

1184
01:10:51,840 --> 01:10:54,280
Speaker 1: do all the nerd things. And in the in the

1185
01:10:54,320 --> 01:10:58,840
Speaker 1: ham radio world, there's what's called an elmer, and an

1186
01:10:58,880 --> 01:11:02,080
Speaker 1: elmer is an older hand him who's got experience and

1187
01:11:02,920 --> 01:11:06,120
Speaker 1: equipment and all this stuff, and he's just like your guy.

1188
01:11:06,160 --> 01:11:08,920
Speaker 1: He's your mentor, he's you go to him, and like,

1189
01:11:09,000 --> 01:11:11,679
Speaker 1: at least in our social circle, you're the hunting elmer.

1190
01:11:11,760 --> 01:11:14,080
Speaker 1: Everybody is just like, there's a hunting question, you gotta

1191
01:11:14,080 --> 01:11:17,280
Speaker 1: go to Clay, and so he's You're and and and

1192
01:11:17,320 --> 01:11:20,840
Speaker 1: again that speaks to that autonomy for deer hunting. I've

1193
01:11:20,880 --> 01:11:23,120
Speaker 1: got no problem saying Clay when we're going coon hunting,

1194
01:11:23,200 --> 01:11:26,120
Speaker 1: Clay when we go and squirrel hunting. Those are social

1195
01:11:26,200 --> 01:11:30,520
Speaker 1: hunting endeavor. But when you take people deer hunting, you're

1196
01:11:30,520 --> 01:11:33,639
Speaker 1: you're you're a guide. You're not You're not going hunting.

1197
01:11:33,720 --> 01:11:35,400
Speaker 1: I mean you you you probably get to hunt some

1198
01:11:36,040 --> 01:11:38,439
Speaker 1: you're dropping people at deer stands and talking to him

1199
01:11:38,439 --> 01:11:41,240
Speaker 1: about this and that. And anybody you know that gets

1200
01:11:41,280 --> 01:11:43,679
Speaker 1: that's already up to speed, is already on the deer

1201
01:11:43,680 --> 01:11:47,320
Speaker 1: woods without you because they are autonomous. Um. So that's

1202
01:11:47,320 --> 01:11:51,400
Speaker 1: probably kind of the biggest barrier for me. Like it's

1203
01:11:51,479 --> 01:11:55,439
Speaker 1: that combination of the time and the knowledge and and

1204
01:11:55,560 --> 01:11:58,800
Speaker 1: getting it all put together. Um and then you know,

1205
01:11:58,920 --> 01:12:00,680
Speaker 1: to get more time in the it, I had to

1206
01:12:00,720 --> 01:12:04,840
Speaker 1: get a bow, shooting a bow and like investing the

1207
01:12:04,880 --> 01:12:07,400
Speaker 1: time in there, and so that frees up public land

1208
01:12:07,479 --> 01:12:11,439
Speaker 1: for me. But it also requires greater patients and and

1209
01:12:11,520 --> 01:12:14,160
Speaker 1: all those things. And I enjoy bow hunting. I've never

1210
01:12:14,200 --> 01:12:16,920
Speaker 1: taken anything with bow, but I love just being out

1211
01:12:16,920 --> 01:12:19,000
Speaker 1: in the woods and a deer stand with a bow

1212
01:12:19,080 --> 01:12:22,599
Speaker 1: in my hand. But it's it's less fruitful I feel,

1213
01:12:22,680 --> 01:12:25,519
Speaker 1: you know, I think, uh, I want to get to

1214
01:12:25,680 --> 01:12:27,360
Speaker 1: and I gotta say this so I don't forget I

1215
01:12:27,360 --> 01:12:32,880
Speaker 1: want to get to. Barriers to me not helping people

1216
01:12:32,960 --> 01:12:35,120
Speaker 1: become hunters because I think I think a lot of

1217
01:12:35,200 --> 01:12:37,559
Speaker 1: Hunters will relate to what I would say about that,

1218
01:12:37,600 --> 01:12:40,679
Speaker 1: because because I'm looking at both of you guys really

1219
01:12:40,680 --> 01:12:44,639
Speaker 1: in some ways kicking myself thinking I didn't do enough,

1220
01:12:45,800 --> 01:12:48,280
Speaker 1: you know, And I'm being honest, I'm not trying to like,

1221
01:12:48,560 --> 01:12:51,280
Speaker 1: I'm like, man, I could have helped Jonathan longer. I

1222
01:12:51,280 --> 01:12:55,320
Speaker 1: could have helped Time more than I have. But I

1223
01:12:55,360 --> 01:12:58,080
Speaker 1: think one of the biggest limiting factors is just time,

1224
01:12:59,120 --> 01:13:01,280
Speaker 1: Like especially with you tie with a family and stuff.

1225
01:13:01,520 --> 01:13:05,439
Speaker 1: It's just like everything pulls on on on our world

1226
01:13:05,479 --> 01:13:10,280
Speaker 1: with time, and I hate it. I it's the trend

1227
01:13:10,320 --> 01:13:12,719
Speaker 1: of the age. And most of the time, the trend

1228
01:13:12,760 --> 01:13:15,920
Speaker 1: of the age has stuff inside of it that you

1229
01:13:16,120 --> 01:13:20,400
Speaker 1: have to latch onto to just be a normal human

1230
01:13:20,800 --> 01:13:24,840
Speaker 1: during that period of the world. But there's also some

1231
01:13:24,920 --> 01:13:28,360
Speaker 1: real negative things that it steals from you. Do you

1232
01:13:28,439 --> 01:13:31,519
Speaker 1: understand what I'm saying. I mean, in the last let's

1233
01:13:31,520 --> 01:13:35,880
Speaker 1: say fifteen years, even with the advent and it has

1234
01:13:35,920 --> 01:13:39,680
Speaker 1: come with the advent of the of the Internet. I mean,

1235
01:13:39,800 --> 01:13:41,559
Speaker 1: it's kind of think it's connected to it, whether it's

1236
01:13:41,560 --> 01:13:45,519
Speaker 1: a different correlation point, but but just this with with

1237
01:13:45,720 --> 01:13:49,120
Speaker 1: widespread fast communication being able to go through all channels

1238
01:13:49,160 --> 01:13:52,920
Speaker 1: of life. It's like, we can be way more efficient,

1239
01:13:53,080 --> 01:13:55,880
Speaker 1: we can be way more There's just way more stuff

1240
01:13:55,920 --> 01:13:58,640
Speaker 1: that we can do that we couldn't do before. It's like,

1241
01:13:58,680 --> 01:14:02,320
Speaker 1: so the Internet fed up life so much that there's

1242
01:14:02,320 --> 01:14:06,040
Speaker 1: more opportunity. It opened up communications, So now you know

1243
01:14:06,160 --> 01:14:09,559
Speaker 1: about all these options for your life. I mean, you

1244
01:14:09,600 --> 01:14:12,200
Speaker 1: could be a what you can do with your spare time,

1245
01:14:12,600 --> 01:14:14,599
Speaker 1: so that there's only so much spare time that any

1246
01:14:14,680 --> 01:14:18,479
Speaker 1: human has. Number One, that now because of communication, he

1247
01:14:18,520 --> 01:14:21,519
Speaker 1: knows he has all these options. And then number two,

1248
01:14:22,280 --> 01:14:25,400
Speaker 1: the culture of North America is to work a ton,

1249
01:14:26,320 --> 01:14:28,599
Speaker 1: and our culture compared to other parts of the world,

1250
01:14:29,200 --> 01:14:32,599
Speaker 1: is very much so more work oriented. It's like we

1251
01:14:32,680 --> 01:14:36,479
Speaker 1: work more than anybody else just about in terms of

1252
01:14:36,840 --> 01:14:39,479
Speaker 1: time at the office. And that's cultural, it's ingrained. It's

1253
01:14:39,640 --> 01:14:43,720
Speaker 1: you can't hardly break away from it. And so you know,

1254
01:14:44,320 --> 01:14:45,920
Speaker 1: and I don't know what to say, because guy's got

1255
01:14:45,920 --> 01:14:48,400
Speaker 1: to make a living. If a guy's got only does

1256
01:14:48,479 --> 01:14:51,160
Speaker 1: have so much free time, you're not gonna You're not

1257
01:14:51,160 --> 01:14:53,960
Speaker 1: gonna tell your kids you can't play basketball or your

1258
01:14:54,000 --> 01:14:57,920
Speaker 1: sports because daddy wants to be a hunter. That's a

1259
01:14:57,960 --> 01:15:01,719
Speaker 1: tough one for me, but us those kids are gonna

1260
01:15:01,800 --> 01:15:05,320
Speaker 1: forget about sports. I mean, I'm kind of playing Devil's advocate,

1261
01:15:06,080 --> 01:15:08,240
Speaker 1: but I mean, like your kids aren't gonna be professional

1262
01:15:08,240 --> 01:15:14,000
Speaker 1: basketball players. They could learn the stuff that you're teaching

1263
01:15:14,080 --> 01:15:16,240
Speaker 1: in basketball and the hunting woods. I mean, could they.

1264
01:15:16,280 --> 01:15:18,280
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm kind of I'm kind of pos posing

1265
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Speaker 1: the question, but there's no way that any of us

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01:15:20,600 --> 01:15:26,559
Speaker 1: are gonna strip our kids of this opportunity too. And

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01:15:26,600 --> 01:15:28,760
Speaker 1: I'm using sports an example because that's what that's what

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01:15:28,800 --> 01:15:31,479
Speaker 1: I think about because in our in our family, probably

1269
01:15:31,520 --> 01:15:34,120
Speaker 1: a limiting factor inside of our honey, which we have

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01:15:34,200 --> 01:15:36,839
Speaker 1: eliminated a lot of limiting factors because of my profession

1271
01:15:36,880 --> 01:15:40,160
Speaker 1: and just my passion. Time is a massive limiting factor.

1272
01:15:40,680 --> 01:15:43,720
Speaker 1: And I think is a family, you have to you

1273
01:15:43,760 --> 01:15:46,280
Speaker 1: gotta find balance. I mean, like I don't let my

1274
01:15:46,400 --> 01:15:50,200
Speaker 1: kids play certain sports simply because of time, but we do,

1275
01:15:50,280 --> 01:15:52,840
Speaker 1: we play, we do play other sports that were like, Yep,

1276
01:15:52,880 --> 01:15:54,760
Speaker 1: we're gonna We're gonna a lot some of our free

1277
01:15:54,760 --> 01:15:58,040
Speaker 1: time to this. This is important and valuable and we're

1278
01:15:58,120 --> 01:16:01,280
Speaker 1: not gonna allot it in other times of the year

1279
01:16:02,360 --> 01:16:06,720
Speaker 1: because we just I want to I want your upbringing

1280
01:16:07,040 --> 01:16:09,800
Speaker 1: to involve hunting, and we don't. I don't say it

1281
01:16:09,880 --> 01:16:13,760
Speaker 1: like that to them. But that's efficient effectively part of it.

1282
01:16:14,320 --> 01:16:17,679
Speaker 1: And uh so, but time being a massive limiting factor

1283
01:16:18,280 --> 01:16:21,400
Speaker 1: is so significant. And everything comes with a cost, every

1284
01:16:21,400 --> 01:16:23,320
Speaker 1: single thing comes with a cost inside of life. And

1285
01:16:23,320 --> 01:16:25,920
Speaker 1: so that's like you know, and and and like I

1286
01:16:25,960 --> 01:16:28,320
Speaker 1: said to you, Jonathan, when you got early on hunting,

1287
01:16:28,880 --> 01:16:30,920
Speaker 1: like I was like, man, you don't have to be

1288
01:16:31,000 --> 01:16:34,639
Speaker 1: a real serious hunter. You can just hunt. I think

1289
01:16:35,040 --> 01:16:36,960
Speaker 1: I said, you can just hunt one week in the year.

1290
01:16:37,520 --> 01:16:41,800
Speaker 1: And that's a that's cool. Buy hunt license. You're helping conservation.

1291
01:16:41,880 --> 01:16:45,080
Speaker 1: I mean, the Arkansas Game and Fish Commission makes no

1292
01:16:45,160 --> 01:16:48,599
Speaker 1: more off of me than they do you in terms

1293
01:16:48,640 --> 01:16:52,600
Speaker 1: of funding conservation. Because buying a hunt license funds conservation.

1294
01:16:52,640 --> 01:16:54,960
Speaker 1: It's a big time. So you buying a hunt license

1295
01:16:55,000 --> 01:16:57,360
Speaker 1: is valuable. And if you go hunting three days a

1296
01:16:57,439 --> 01:16:59,720
Speaker 1: year every year, and you look forward to that and

1297
01:16:59,760 --> 01:17:02,760
Speaker 1: you build that into your family culture, like when you

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01:17:02,840 --> 01:17:05,840
Speaker 1: get married and have kids, like it's like, yeah, we

1299
01:17:05,880 --> 01:17:07,519
Speaker 1: got we deer hunt in November, and that's kind of

1300
01:17:07,560 --> 01:17:11,439
Speaker 1: what you're doing. Tie. Even if there's just that little thing,

1301
01:17:11,680 --> 01:17:14,599
Speaker 1: I think it opens up and even if you're never

1302
01:17:14,720 --> 01:17:17,080
Speaker 1: have any intention to being a real serious hunter. It

1303
01:17:17,400 --> 01:17:21,679
Speaker 1: it it uh, it's that exposure, you know. My dad

1304
01:17:21,720 --> 01:17:23,120
Speaker 1: and I always go back. Now, I'm not going to

1305
01:17:23,200 --> 01:17:26,920
Speaker 1: talk about golf. My dad wanted. My dad tried to

1306
01:17:27,560 --> 01:17:31,840
Speaker 1: forcefully put golf into my life because I was such

1307
01:17:31,880 --> 01:17:33,559
Speaker 1: a hunter. And he was like, Clay, you need to

1308
01:17:33,560 --> 01:17:36,559
Speaker 1: be well rounded. You need to be well rounded, you

1309
01:17:36,600 --> 01:17:38,160
Speaker 1: need to learn how to play golf. And he made

1310
01:17:38,200 --> 01:17:40,559
Speaker 1: his play golf. And I joke about not liking golf

1311
01:17:40,560 --> 01:17:42,840
Speaker 1: because of that, but I respect the game of golf.

1312
01:17:43,160 --> 01:17:46,080
Speaker 1: I don't play. I don't want to play um, but

1313
01:17:46,560 --> 01:17:49,879
Speaker 1: kind of even from that same perspective, like with somebody

1314
01:17:49,920 --> 01:17:53,120
Speaker 1: that is not gonna be a serious hunter, but your family,

1315
01:17:53,200 --> 01:17:56,880
Speaker 1: your kids, you your wife, your world, I think gains

1316
01:17:56,960 --> 01:17:59,439
Speaker 1: value from having a little bit of it inside there

1317
01:18:00,040 --> 01:18:03,280
Speaker 1: because it's a pivot back to something that is way

1318
01:18:03,400 --> 01:18:10,360
Speaker 1: bigger than tennis, golf or badminton, and that we're we're humans,

1319
01:18:10,600 --> 01:18:14,519
Speaker 1: humans are hunters. We this is like, this is a

1320
01:18:14,520 --> 01:18:19,280
Speaker 1: pretty big pivot, pretty big hat tip back to being

1321
01:18:19,280 --> 01:18:21,040
Speaker 1: a hunt and that's what I like. And not every

1322
01:18:21,040 --> 01:18:23,559
Speaker 1: family is supposed to do it, but boy, I think

1323
01:18:23,560 --> 01:18:26,960
Speaker 1: it's I think it's I think it's valuable. Um. The

1324
01:18:26,960 --> 01:18:28,360
Speaker 1: other thing that was gonna say it was I was

1325
01:18:28,400 --> 01:18:32,000
Speaker 1: going to talk about limiting factors to me hunting or

1326
01:18:32,040 --> 01:18:35,200
Speaker 1: taking people hunting. And uh and I and I'm in

1327
01:18:35,280 --> 01:18:41,320
Speaker 1: a stage right now where I'm trying to find hypocrisies

1328
01:18:41,360 --> 01:18:48,000
Speaker 1: inside of my my my life, my world. Um you know,

1329
01:18:48,080 --> 01:18:50,920
Speaker 1: where do I say one thing but kind of do another,

1330
01:18:51,800 --> 01:18:55,760
Speaker 1: you know, and from a functional perspective, and um and

1331
01:18:55,840 --> 01:18:59,160
Speaker 1: I know for me, the way that I would be

1332
01:18:59,160 --> 01:19:04,040
Speaker 1: better at mentor and new hunters would it would have

1333
01:19:04,080 --> 01:19:06,520
Speaker 1: to cause me to slow down and be more intentional.

1334
01:19:06,960 --> 01:19:10,040
Speaker 1: And it comes with second, it comes with cost, Like

1335
01:19:10,200 --> 01:19:14,719
Speaker 1: when I take you guys hunting, um, and this would

1336
01:19:14,720 --> 01:19:17,000
Speaker 1: be the back door of this thing that y'all I

1337
01:19:17,000 --> 01:19:19,320
Speaker 1: would never say to y'all. But like if I take

1338
01:19:19,360 --> 01:19:24,680
Speaker 1: you hunting, like I am sacrificing where I can go

1339
01:19:24,720 --> 01:19:27,680
Speaker 1: because there's only certain places I can take you. I

1340
01:19:27,720 --> 01:19:31,040
Speaker 1: can't take you everywhere. There's also a certain time limitations,

1341
01:19:31,080 --> 01:19:33,519
Speaker 1: Like if I was going to dedicate a data hunting,

1342
01:19:33,680 --> 01:19:36,880
Speaker 1: I might go two hours away to a region that

1343
01:19:36,960 --> 01:19:41,120
Speaker 1: I hunt, but I know that you're not interested in

1344
01:19:41,200 --> 01:19:44,000
Speaker 1: waking up at three in the morning and getting home

1345
01:19:44,040 --> 01:19:48,519
Speaker 1: at midnight. And probably not. I mean, like there's just

1346
01:19:48,600 --> 01:19:50,840
Speaker 1: things It's like, no, we're just gonna go on Saturday

1347
01:19:50,880 --> 01:19:55,040
Speaker 1: afternoon with Jonathan see I that I am with Notice

1348
01:19:55,200 --> 01:19:57,200
Speaker 1: like I like you said that, and I'm just like

1349
01:19:57,240 --> 01:19:58,519
Speaker 1: I'm in. It's the same thing that makes me go

1350
01:19:58,640 --> 01:20:00,720
Speaker 1: run a hunter miles but like, yeah, I'm up at

1351
01:20:00,720 --> 01:20:04,080
Speaker 1: three in the morning back at midnight. Yeah, but I

1352
01:20:08,680 --> 01:20:13,000
Speaker 1: could seem to communicate that to you so that you know, like, oh,

1353
01:20:13,120 --> 01:20:15,720
Speaker 1: they would they would be up for something like that. Yeah. Man,

1354
01:20:16,000 --> 01:20:18,519
Speaker 1: well okay, now we know. Well but but just like

1355
01:20:18,520 --> 01:20:21,760
Speaker 1: there's sacrifice on my part that that sometimes maybe I'm

1356
01:20:21,800 --> 01:20:25,840
Speaker 1: just not wanted to do it just other other things,

1357
01:20:25,880 --> 01:20:28,200
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It's like I want to

1358
01:20:28,280 --> 01:20:32,080
Speaker 1: kill a big buck. I wanna you know, do all this.

1359
01:20:32,439 --> 01:20:34,320
Speaker 1: So anyway, so there's a there's a sacrifice. So what

1360
01:20:34,360 --> 01:20:37,600
Speaker 1: it's taken for me is to slow down and to

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01:20:38,040 --> 01:20:40,120
Speaker 1: uh and it really helps me to hear both of

1362
01:20:40,120 --> 01:20:45,000
Speaker 1: your prosjectives, really does, because so guys that have hunted

1363
01:20:45,040 --> 01:20:50,040
Speaker 1: their whole life were pretty blind to barriers gentry, you know,

1364
01:20:50,600 --> 01:20:54,720
Speaker 1: and and and we just are I think I am

1365
01:20:54,760 --> 01:20:58,519
Speaker 1: just now at age forty, is starting to think about

1366
01:20:59,200 --> 01:21:04,480
Speaker 1: barriers to tree, you know, but but anyway just more sacrificial,

1367
01:21:04,560 --> 01:21:08,880
Speaker 1: just like, yeah, we're gonna go, you know. Um. Yeah.

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01:21:09,120 --> 01:21:11,439
Speaker 1: The other thing is that on private land, you don't

1369
01:21:11,479 --> 01:21:14,519
Speaker 1: always have permission to take people like both of you guys,

1370
01:21:14,560 --> 01:21:18,599
Speaker 1: I pretty much after almost twenty years of hunting this

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01:21:18,640 --> 01:21:20,519
Speaker 1: one place, both of you all have hunted there with me,

1372
01:21:21,400 --> 01:21:24,400
Speaker 1: I kind of just have the rapport with that landowner

1373
01:21:24,520 --> 01:21:27,320
Speaker 1: that I kind of just do what I want and

1374
01:21:27,360 --> 01:21:30,559
Speaker 1: I don't take advantage of that. But for fifteen years,

1375
01:21:30,640 --> 01:21:34,360
Speaker 1: I never took anybody over there. Uh. And then finally

1376
01:21:34,400 --> 01:21:36,519
Speaker 1: I was just like I'd call him, say hey, I'm

1377
01:21:36,520 --> 01:21:38,880
Speaker 1: gonna bring a buddy, and then he'd be like, whatever

1378
01:21:38,920 --> 01:21:41,479
Speaker 1: you want, class fine, But I don't think they would

1379
01:21:41,479 --> 01:21:45,240
Speaker 1: have said that ten years ago, right like, but it's

1380
01:21:45,280 --> 01:21:48,200
Speaker 1: like that rapport finally got to that place and then

1381
01:21:48,240 --> 01:21:51,800
Speaker 1: so you know, there's a sacrifice in that, you know. Um.

1382
01:21:51,840 --> 01:21:54,360
Speaker 1: But uh, and then I take Tide Denison over there

1383
01:21:54,400 --> 01:21:57,679
Speaker 1: and he kills the biggest buck. It was so classic.

1384
01:21:58,200 --> 01:22:01,480
Speaker 1: Last year it took Tie to this play and uh,

1385
01:22:01,600 --> 01:22:03,360
Speaker 1: I mean just one after we were just hunting an

1386
01:22:03,400 --> 01:22:07,680
Speaker 1: afternoon and I put you in like the spot I

1387
01:22:08,439 --> 01:22:11,880
Speaker 1: least expected a big buck to show up there. Really, Now,

1388
01:22:11,880 --> 01:22:13,439
Speaker 1: I did expect you to see a deer. That's why

1389
01:22:14,080 --> 01:22:17,280
Speaker 1: quite a few deer. But yeah, I mean I expected

1390
01:22:17,280 --> 01:22:19,400
Speaker 1: you to see here. That's why it was the dough hole. Yeah.

1391
01:22:19,439 --> 01:22:20,760
Speaker 1: And it was during the rest, so I should have

1392
01:22:20,840 --> 01:22:24,479
Speaker 1: known it. And that's how I got him her. I

1393
01:22:24,520 --> 01:22:26,519
Speaker 1: just didn't think you're gonna see a big buck. And

1394
01:22:27,200 --> 01:22:31,040
Speaker 1: I hear a boom your text and Ty says, I

1395
01:22:31,120 --> 01:22:33,719
Speaker 1: think I just killed a proper buck. I think he said,

1396
01:22:33,880 --> 01:22:36,080
Speaker 1: I think you said this is like a proper like

1397
01:22:36,080 --> 01:22:38,760
Speaker 1: a buck. Yeah, And he really didn't know. You really

1398
01:22:38,760 --> 01:22:40,760
Speaker 1: didn't have the words to describe how big it was.

1399
01:22:41,240 --> 01:22:42,800
Speaker 1: And I was like, send me a picture of that thing,

1400
01:22:43,960 --> 01:22:45,519
Speaker 1: and he sent me a picture of it. I was like,

1401
01:22:45,840 --> 01:22:50,160
Speaker 1: holy smocks, that's why the biggest that we've killed on

1402
01:22:50,240 --> 01:22:52,639
Speaker 1: this farm in twenty years. It was. It was funny

1403
01:22:52,680 --> 01:22:55,160
Speaker 1: to see your excitement come back because I was excited,

1404
01:22:56,280 --> 01:22:59,120
Speaker 1: but to hear your accept to see your excitement come

1405
01:22:59,160 --> 01:23:00,800
Speaker 1: back and text on them, I was just like, oh,

1406
01:23:00,840 --> 01:23:08,040
Speaker 1: this is a legitimate. Oh yeah for those hundred thirty

1407
01:23:07,200 --> 01:23:12,280
Speaker 1: two and uh and you know, eight point heavy horned

1408
01:23:12,400 --> 01:23:14,040
Speaker 1: for sure, four and a half five and half year

1409
01:23:14,080 --> 01:23:16,519
Speaker 1: old deer. I mean, and we just don't kill a

1410
01:23:16,520 --> 01:23:18,840
Speaker 1: lot of those over there, so I mean it was

1411
01:23:19,040 --> 01:23:21,760
Speaker 1: it was a dandy. It's set the expectation. This year

1412
01:23:21,800 --> 01:23:23,479
Speaker 1: when Clay took me out to that same property, I

1413
01:23:23,520 --> 01:23:26,040
Speaker 1: heard that story and was like, oh, here we go,

1414
01:23:26,080 --> 01:23:30,559
Speaker 1: I gotta try and go. Yeah, and then so we

1415
01:23:30,760 --> 01:23:33,920
Speaker 1: had it with you twice this year, and uh, you

1416
01:23:33,960 --> 01:23:37,200
Speaker 1: saw some deer on the second hunt, but first time

1417
01:23:37,240 --> 01:23:39,479
Speaker 1: you said didn't see any dear, didn't see a single deer,

1418
01:23:39,560 --> 01:23:42,160
Speaker 1: And I so interesting because I had never been hunting

1419
01:23:42,160 --> 01:23:44,360
Speaker 1: and that was my first time. I had no idea

1420
01:23:44,479 --> 01:23:47,120
Speaker 1: if I was even just like being too noisy or

1421
01:23:47,160 --> 01:23:49,360
Speaker 1: like moving too much. I like even asked you. I

1422
01:23:49,360 --> 01:23:51,240
Speaker 1: was like, hey, I was like scanning like side to

1423
01:23:51,280 --> 01:23:53,200
Speaker 1: side with my head. Is that moving too much? Do

1424
01:23:53,280 --> 01:23:56,080
Speaker 1: they like see me? And like run? Because you just

1425
01:23:56,160 --> 01:24:00,040
Speaker 1: have no I had no baseline of what's reasonable, what

1426
01:24:00,160 --> 01:24:02,439
Speaker 1: would they detect? And I didn't see single deer, so

1427
01:24:02,479 --> 01:24:06,200
Speaker 1: I wondered, oh, yeah, that's totally I scared him away,

1428
01:24:06,400 --> 01:24:08,800
Speaker 1: and so um that was funny. And then yeah, the

1429
01:24:08,840 --> 01:24:11,800
Speaker 1: second time we went and I saw some dough way

1430
01:24:11,800 --> 01:24:13,439
Speaker 1: out there. They were just out of range. And then

1431
01:24:13,840 --> 01:24:16,240
Speaker 1: I heard you even describe like you gotta keep careful

1432
01:24:16,320 --> 01:24:18,080
Speaker 1: because they'll just like pop up and you won't even

1433
01:24:18,080 --> 01:24:20,240
Speaker 1: know where they came from. And that's exactly what happened.

1434
01:24:20,240 --> 01:24:22,320
Speaker 1: I was looking to the right, came back look to

1435
01:24:22,320 --> 01:24:24,240
Speaker 1: the left, and oh my gosh, there's a buck right there,

1436
01:24:24,800 --> 01:24:26,760
Speaker 1: and I never got a good shot. He he went

1437
01:24:26,800 --> 01:24:30,000
Speaker 1: off behind me. But uh, yeah, so I've seen the deer,

1438
01:24:30,120 --> 01:24:35,080
Speaker 1: so I'm gonna get one. Yeah yeah, well no interesting.

1439
01:24:35,160 --> 01:24:39,080
Speaker 1: And to make a golf analogy, uh, that's like that

1440
01:24:39,120 --> 01:24:42,680
Speaker 1: one day when you hit like a good drive on

1441
01:24:42,720 --> 01:24:44,519
Speaker 1: the golf course that keeps you coming back, like you'll

1442
01:24:44,560 --> 01:24:46,799
Speaker 1: go play golf all day. I say, this is somebody

1443
01:24:46,800 --> 01:24:48,840
Speaker 1: who's not played a ton of golf at all, but

1444
01:24:48,880 --> 01:24:51,880
Speaker 1: like it's so frustrating to be out there playing and

1445
01:24:51,960 --> 01:24:53,840
Speaker 1: not doing well, and then you'll hit one good drive

1446
01:24:53,920 --> 01:24:57,479
Speaker 1: and you're just like, yep, I'm gonna and it's just

1447
01:24:57,520 --> 01:25:00,960
Speaker 1: like yeah. And I say that as some who like

1448
01:25:01,360 --> 01:25:06,000
Speaker 1: spent years going out hunting and not getting anything. Yeah,

1449
01:25:06,760 --> 01:25:12,360
Speaker 1: you you talked about having a respect for actually seeing

1450
01:25:12,400 --> 01:25:16,200
Speaker 1: deer and how you went years without even getting a deer, right, Like,

1451
01:25:16,400 --> 01:25:17,840
Speaker 1: I mean you you told me a little bit about that,

1452
01:25:17,880 --> 01:25:19,439
Speaker 1: and you may even just say a little bit here,

1453
01:25:19,439 --> 01:25:21,320
Speaker 1: but like that was even something that kind of tempered

1454
01:25:21,360 --> 01:25:24,240
Speaker 1: my expectations. So even seeing a deer on my second

1455
01:25:24,320 --> 01:25:27,439
Speaker 1: hunt was was good. I had committed to like, hey,

1456
01:25:27,479 --> 01:25:28,840
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go. Yeah, I did see him on the

1457
01:25:28,840 --> 01:25:30,400
Speaker 1: first day. I don't care if I don't see anything today.

1458
01:25:30,400 --> 01:25:33,599
Speaker 1: I'm gonna like go until I get something, like you know,

1459
01:25:33,880 --> 01:25:36,920
Speaker 1: endure and overcome, like you know, that's part of the process.

1460
01:25:36,960 --> 01:25:39,040
Speaker 1: This is okay, it's okay. I didn't see anything. So

1461
01:25:39,120 --> 01:25:41,639
Speaker 1: seeing deer on the second hunt was like a big

1462
01:25:41,640 --> 01:25:43,960
Speaker 1: deal and you reinforce that, like that's not something you

1463
01:25:44,520 --> 01:25:48,000
Speaker 1: would pick that up socially inside of hunting, like if

1464
01:25:48,000 --> 01:25:50,599
Speaker 1: you were at a deer camp like the first Like

1465
01:25:50,600 --> 01:25:53,040
Speaker 1: like when when we're at deer camp and like you

1466
01:25:53,120 --> 01:25:55,679
Speaker 1: see the lights of the vehicle coming down the hill

1467
01:25:55,800 --> 01:25:58,720
Speaker 1: coming into camp and you're out of cell range, you

1468
01:25:58,720 --> 01:26:03,160
Speaker 1: can't text anybody. I mean, it's it's like you just

1469
01:26:03,640 --> 01:26:05,519
Speaker 1: you just can't hardly wait for them to get out

1470
01:26:05,520 --> 01:26:08,080
Speaker 1: of the truck for you for to hear if they

1471
01:26:08,160 --> 01:26:11,240
Speaker 1: saw something, right, not even if they killed something, because

1472
01:26:11,280 --> 01:26:13,400
Speaker 1: you don't want to go for the juggular and to

1473
01:26:13,400 --> 01:26:15,599
Speaker 1: be like you kill something like that guy, You're like,

1474
01:26:16,120 --> 01:26:19,160
Speaker 1: how you sit down? Don't do that? You go if

1475
01:26:19,280 --> 01:26:21,400
Speaker 1: you you kind of get out of the truck and

1476
01:26:21,400 --> 01:26:23,760
Speaker 1: you're like, do you see anything? And it's like, yeah,

1477
01:26:23,800 --> 01:26:26,240
Speaker 1: I saw something. It's like ah, I mean, like yeah,

1478
01:26:26,320 --> 01:26:30,799
Speaker 1: seeing game it's like a big thing inside of inside

1479
01:26:30,840 --> 01:26:33,639
Speaker 1: of hunting and and and and and and I've talked

1480
01:26:33,640 --> 01:26:36,320
Speaker 1: about it on another podcast, but just like to value

1481
01:26:37,120 --> 01:26:43,080
Speaker 1: just seeing wildlife it's cool, you know, like uh, I mean, yeah,

1482
01:26:43,040 --> 01:26:46,160
Speaker 1: I know you. Uh I've been to deer camp with

1483
01:26:46,200 --> 01:26:48,960
Speaker 1: you three years and I've never been to a deer

1484
01:26:48,960 --> 01:26:51,200
Speaker 1: camp where a deer has been taken. But we end

1485
01:26:51,280 --> 01:26:53,640
Speaker 1: up talking about what you see and and it's it

1486
01:26:53,720 --> 01:26:56,000
Speaker 1: is it's a really exciting time. And then I didn't

1487
01:26:56,040 --> 01:27:00,160
Speaker 1: realize until uh, well, I mean I guess I was

1488
01:27:00,200 --> 01:27:03,000
Speaker 1: listening to the podcast like what glassing was and like

1489
01:27:03,040 --> 01:27:05,839
Speaker 1: the whole purpose. I mean, obviously the purpose of glassing

1490
01:27:05,920 --> 01:27:08,960
Speaker 1: is to see what's around you, but also like just

1491
01:27:09,000 --> 01:27:11,639
Speaker 1: to enjoy glassing, like just to go glassing and go glassing.

1492
01:27:12,160 --> 01:27:14,400
Speaker 1: That that was something I had no concept of. You

1493
01:27:14,439 --> 01:27:20,639
Speaker 1: don't go glassing for ducks, so like, well, well, let's

1494
01:27:22,800 --> 01:27:25,760
Speaker 1: that's kind of a Western term that they would use,

1495
01:27:25,880 --> 01:27:31,240
Speaker 1: like just looking for looking for game. Binoculars. Glass binocutors

1496
01:27:31,240 --> 01:27:35,160
Speaker 1: are your glass just with big open areas you go glassing,

1497
01:27:35,200 --> 01:27:37,719
Speaker 1: you're looking for just looking for game, and you would

1498
01:27:37,880 --> 01:27:40,200
Speaker 1: it would be a hunting technique. Glass for game and

1499
01:27:40,240 --> 01:27:44,559
Speaker 1: then and then go hunt them, you know. But yeah, yeah,

1500
01:27:44,600 --> 01:27:53,360
Speaker 1: so just seeing game is is valuable. Um, So barriers, gentry,

1501
01:27:53,600 --> 01:27:55,920
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think of. Is there anything that we

1502
01:27:56,000 --> 01:27:59,479
Speaker 1: haven't that we haven't I mean, we've we've we've covered

1503
01:27:59,479 --> 01:28:03,000
Speaker 1: all kinds of stuff. We've we've gone on rabbit trails. Um.

1504
01:28:03,479 --> 01:28:05,720
Speaker 1: You mentioned you wanted to talk about well, go ahead, no,

1505
01:28:05,800 --> 01:28:07,400
Speaker 1: you tell me, tell me now. You mentioned you wanted

1506
01:28:07,439 --> 01:28:09,519
Speaker 1: to talk about things that we had to overcome, things

1507
01:28:09,560 --> 01:28:11,400
Speaker 1: we didn't like about the hunting community. And I thought

1508
01:28:11,400 --> 01:28:15,080
Speaker 1: that we didn't go. Yeah, so I'll tell the story

1509
01:28:15,080 --> 01:28:18,599
Speaker 1: of of my brother. So I have two brothers, neither

1510
01:28:18,600 --> 01:28:23,360
Speaker 1: one of them really hunt. Um and uh. And just

1511
01:28:23,439 --> 01:28:24,960
Speaker 1: in the last year I was talking to one of

1512
01:28:25,040 --> 01:28:27,800
Speaker 1: them and he said that as a kid, he was

1513
01:28:27,920 --> 01:28:31,320
Speaker 1: turned off from hunting because of kind of the macho,

1514
01:28:31,520 --> 01:28:38,160
Speaker 1: egotistical persona that he saw in the hunting culture of

1515
01:28:38,280 --> 01:28:40,920
Speaker 1: like his high school. Like he wasn't necessarily talking about

1516
01:28:41,520 --> 01:28:43,679
Speaker 1: I don't think he was talking about like in the family,

1517
01:28:44,520 --> 01:28:48,080
Speaker 1: but maybe he was like like our family like me

1518
01:28:48,120 --> 01:28:50,720
Speaker 1: and my dad. Uh. I actually later asked him. I

1519
01:28:50,720 --> 01:28:54,080
Speaker 1: was like, are you saying that like at me? Like

1520
01:28:54,520 --> 01:28:57,080
Speaker 1: not in like an angry sense, but just kind of

1521
01:28:57,120 --> 01:28:59,240
Speaker 1: like again, i'mant a time when I'm like looking at

1522
01:28:59,280 --> 01:29:03,400
Speaker 1: myself saying are there other holes inside of this thing?

1523
01:29:04,240 --> 01:29:06,120
Speaker 1: And uh and and he said he wasn't. He said

1524
01:29:06,120 --> 01:29:09,400
Speaker 1: it was more a statement about in that area that

1525
01:29:09,520 --> 01:29:12,600
Speaker 1: we grew up, the people that were hunters were typically

1526
01:29:13,200 --> 01:29:21,960
Speaker 1: your stereotypical redneck, loud, arrogant, macho looking for a way

1527
01:29:22,160 --> 01:29:30,760
Speaker 1: two externalize, you know there. So it was kind of

1528
01:29:30,800 --> 01:29:32,760
Speaker 1: news to me. It's my own brother. And I was like,

1529
01:29:32,800 --> 01:29:35,080
Speaker 1: I didn't know that you had that perception, because see

1530
01:29:35,120 --> 01:29:38,280
Speaker 1: I would have been at that time. I hope I

1531
01:29:38,320 --> 01:29:40,639
Speaker 1: wouldn't have been like that, But like that didn't really

1532
01:29:40,680 --> 01:29:42,519
Speaker 1: bother me. I mean, I was like, cool, they killed

1533
01:29:42,520 --> 01:29:44,800
Speaker 1: a big buck. That's awesome, that dude's a good hunter.

1534
01:29:45,000 --> 01:29:47,720
Speaker 1: Like I didn't think, uh, you know, I didn't have

1535
01:29:47,760 --> 01:29:51,400
Speaker 1: negative so what what about what would be negative? Things

1536
01:29:51,439 --> 01:29:54,400
Speaker 1: that you would have thought before that maybe you see

1537
01:29:54,400 --> 01:29:56,880
Speaker 1: are different now, or or negative in general, that you

1538
01:29:56,880 --> 01:29:59,880
Speaker 1: still see your negative. I think of three things. First

1539
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:03,000
Speaker 1: thing I think of was my general impression of hunters

1540
01:30:03,000 --> 01:30:05,400
Speaker 1: in high school, which were people who lived on the

1541
01:30:05,439 --> 01:30:07,799
Speaker 1: other side of the county. They always just in Camo.

1542
01:30:07,920 --> 01:30:10,280
Speaker 1: They always had white trucks that they had mud splattered

1543
01:30:10,280 --> 01:30:12,000
Speaker 1: on the side, and you could tell you did have

1544
01:30:12,240 --> 01:30:15,840
Speaker 1: some hunters into your world. They were on like my

1545
01:30:15,960 --> 01:30:18,200
Speaker 1: high school. It's a long story, but I had to

1546
01:30:18,240 --> 01:30:20,640
Speaker 1: travel like thirty miles to my high school was in

1547
01:30:20,680 --> 01:30:22,479
Speaker 1: a different it was almost in a different county. It

1548
01:30:22,560 --> 01:30:26,240
Speaker 1: was we were word worlds away. And so I guess

1549
01:30:26,320 --> 01:30:28,200
Speaker 1: seeing those people and I was even friends with some

1550
01:30:28,240 --> 01:30:30,840
Speaker 1: of them, but not very closely, it was like I

1551
01:30:30,840 --> 01:30:35,200
Speaker 1: didn't understand the bravado of like, yeah, I get it, man,

1552
01:30:35,240 --> 01:30:37,080
Speaker 1: you hunt, like you wear camel all the time and

1553
01:30:37,160 --> 01:30:39,400
Speaker 1: your truck always has mud on it, and like you

1554
01:30:39,479 --> 01:30:42,040
Speaker 1: clearly want me to know that. So like as a

1555
01:30:42,120 --> 01:30:46,120
Speaker 1: high schooler, it was like something I just wasn't attracted to. That.

1556
01:30:46,280 --> 01:30:48,240
Speaker 1: The bigger thing I think that and I mean, that's

1557
01:30:48,280 --> 01:30:50,320
Speaker 1: that's such a light thing, but it is a real thing.

1558
01:30:50,360 --> 01:30:53,519
Speaker 1: That existed, Like I think the bigger thing would be

1559
01:30:53,560 --> 01:30:57,320
Speaker 1: something that really just knowing you Klay has actually kind

1560
01:30:57,360 --> 01:31:01,360
Speaker 1: of taken care of was a light bent towards thinking

1561
01:31:01,920 --> 01:31:05,559
Speaker 1: is hunting cruel? Because of like thinking about like Okay,

1562
01:31:05,600 --> 01:31:06,880
Speaker 1: you shoot it here and then you let it run

1563
01:31:06,920 --> 01:31:09,559
Speaker 1: and then it bleeds out, and it's like is that cruel?

1564
01:31:09,920 --> 01:31:11,639
Speaker 1: And it's like I just kind of wondered it almost,

1565
01:31:11,720 --> 01:31:13,559
Speaker 1: but I can see so like you guys are talking

1566
01:31:13,600 --> 01:31:16,400
Speaker 1: about like how you don't understand how people could enjoy

1567
01:31:16,439 --> 01:31:19,160
Speaker 1: the outdoors and then not get hunting, But like, I

1568
01:31:19,240 --> 01:31:22,280
Speaker 1: guess I would have leaned more towards that direction and

1569
01:31:22,360 --> 01:31:24,519
Speaker 1: I would have I would have empathized with that position

1570
01:31:24,600 --> 01:31:26,760
Speaker 1: or just understood like yeah, I don't really know what

1571
01:31:26,800 --> 01:31:28,439
Speaker 1: I feel about that, but I feel like that's kind

1572
01:31:28,479 --> 01:31:31,360
Speaker 1: of strange. And talking with you, Clay has helped me

1573
01:31:31,479 --> 01:31:36,240
Speaker 1: understand like how cruel and like relentless nature is. And

1574
01:31:36,320 --> 01:31:38,160
Speaker 1: when we went coon hunting, you talk to me about

1575
01:31:38,200 --> 01:31:40,360
Speaker 1: like what would be the natural death of a raccoon

1576
01:31:40,800 --> 01:31:43,000
Speaker 1: compared to what happens if we go coon hunting and

1577
01:31:43,000 --> 01:31:45,280
Speaker 1: are successful, And that really just kind of put things

1578
01:31:45,320 --> 01:31:47,960
Speaker 1: in perspective. Like one, of course, animal life is in

1579
01:31:48,000 --> 01:31:51,920
Speaker 1: no way compative, are on the same level as human life,

1580
01:31:52,160 --> 01:31:54,639
Speaker 1: but also just like nature and like circle of life,

1581
01:31:54,680 --> 01:31:57,280
Speaker 1: like let's just be real straightforward about this and the

1582
01:31:57,320 --> 01:32:00,720
Speaker 1: benefit of harvesting game. But like I guess and I

1583
01:32:00,800 --> 01:32:03,599
Speaker 1: would have thought about that stuff, especially in situations where

1584
01:32:03,600 --> 01:32:06,280
Speaker 1: you would hunt and then not like eat the animal,

1585
01:32:06,320 --> 01:32:08,560
Speaker 1: because I guess that would be even like so you

1586
01:32:08,640 --> 01:32:10,439
Speaker 1: had a problem with that, Yeah, yeah, I think that

1587
01:32:10,439 --> 01:32:13,160
Speaker 1: would have even been like a far left thing of like, Okay,

1588
01:32:13,200 --> 01:32:14,479
Speaker 1: I could get if you hunt and then you eat

1589
01:32:14,479 --> 01:32:15,800
Speaker 1: the animal, but if you just hunt and you're not

1590
01:32:15,800 --> 01:32:18,200
Speaker 1: gonna eat the animal, like coon hunting or something, I

1591
01:32:18,200 --> 01:32:20,800
Speaker 1: never would have understood the environmental picture and the conservation

1592
01:32:20,840 --> 01:32:23,240
Speaker 1: picture I never understood for a couple of years when

1593
01:32:23,280 --> 01:32:26,280
Speaker 1: you said that hunters are the greatest conservationists made zero

1594
01:32:26,320 --> 01:32:28,240
Speaker 1: sense to me. I trusted you, but it didn't make

1595
01:32:28,280 --> 01:32:30,360
Speaker 1: sense to me. That would have been one of the

1596
01:32:30,360 --> 01:32:33,519
Speaker 1: other things I didn't understand. Yeah, that's good. And so

1597
01:32:34,280 --> 01:32:40,160
Speaker 1: just to clarify talking about so much of hunting of

1598
01:32:40,280 --> 01:32:44,240
Speaker 1: hunting is we use the meat we eat. I just

1599
01:32:44,280 --> 01:32:48,439
Speaker 1: want to clarify that predator hunting like coons and and

1600
01:32:48,640 --> 01:32:52,320
Speaker 1: uh and coyotes and different things. Those are animals that

1601
01:32:52,400 --> 01:32:56,000
Speaker 1: we typically don't eat, and we're hunting them for different reasons.

1602
01:32:56,000 --> 01:32:59,360
Speaker 1: We're hunting them for population control, or hunting them for

1603
01:32:59,360 --> 01:33:02,640
Speaker 1: for for we're hunting them for ecological reason. I mean,

1604
01:33:02,680 --> 01:33:04,719
Speaker 1: like right now, the Arkansas Game and Fish Commission opened

1605
01:33:04,800 --> 01:33:08,519
Speaker 1: up raccoon season year round on private land to help

1606
01:33:08,640 --> 01:33:12,160
Speaker 1: turkey and coil numbers. I mean, so I just want

1607
01:33:12,200 --> 01:33:15,240
Speaker 1: to clarify that, just for anybody that might be listenings, like,

1608
01:33:15,400 --> 01:33:18,679
Speaker 1: there are other reasons to hunt besides meat, but they're

1609
01:33:18,760 --> 01:33:21,600
Speaker 1: very small. There's nothing else that we would hunt that

1610
01:33:21,680 --> 01:33:23,920
Speaker 1: would just be like well, I don't want to say

1611
01:33:23,960 --> 01:33:27,240
Speaker 1: that either, but very few things that would be hunted.

1612
01:33:27,360 --> 01:33:30,720
Speaker 1: Nothing would be There's one of the pillars of the

1613
01:33:30,760 --> 01:33:34,519
Speaker 1: North American Malible Hall Life Conservation is uh is non

1614
01:33:34,600 --> 01:33:38,639
Speaker 1: frivolous use. That's one of the pillars that we don't

1615
01:33:38,680 --> 01:33:41,200
Speaker 1: just kill stuff to kill it. There's a reason. So

1616
01:33:41,439 --> 01:33:43,800
Speaker 1: here we go, and that was invisible to me, and

1617
01:33:43,840 --> 01:33:46,000
Speaker 1: I would have leaned towards Yeah, hunters are just kind

1618
01:33:46,000 --> 01:33:48,200
Speaker 1: of like just there's kind of a I would never

1619
01:33:48,360 --> 01:33:50,320
Speaker 1: actually I never would have thought this. I would have

1620
01:33:50,360 --> 01:33:52,400
Speaker 1: wondered if it was true if hunters had blood lust

1621
01:33:52,479 --> 01:33:55,600
Speaker 1: or something. Yes, yeah, And so I can understand that

1622
01:33:55,640 --> 01:33:58,240
Speaker 1: position from the I guess people who take that, But

1623
01:33:58,400 --> 01:34:01,720
Speaker 1: talking with you and like watching you has really just

1624
01:34:02,760 --> 01:34:05,400
Speaker 1: expose me to subtleties that would not have seen otherwise.

1625
01:34:05,920 --> 01:34:10,000
Speaker 1: It's a complex it's a complex thing. So those are

1626
01:34:10,080 --> 01:34:11,880
Speaker 1: the three well, and then the last. The third one

1627
01:34:12,040 --> 01:34:14,920
Speaker 1: was um something that you and I talked about after

1628
01:34:14,960 --> 01:34:17,640
Speaker 1: I was listening to Steve Ronnella, not the episode that

1629
01:34:17,680 --> 01:34:22,679
Speaker 1: you went on, but just the attitude of landowners towards

1630
01:34:22,720 --> 01:34:25,400
Speaker 1: anyone who wants to use their land. It seems quite

1631
01:34:25,800 --> 01:34:29,519
Speaker 1: it has seemed to me to be quite abrasive or

1632
01:34:29,560 --> 01:34:32,680
Speaker 1: even hostile, or it's like you could be talking to

1633
01:34:32,720 --> 01:34:34,760
Speaker 1: a perfectly nice guy about anything in his life, but

1634
01:34:34,800 --> 01:34:36,960
Speaker 1: if you mentioned his land, it's like people kind of

1635
01:34:37,000 --> 01:34:38,960
Speaker 1: bow up. My impression is that people kind of bow

1636
01:34:39,080 --> 01:34:41,240
Speaker 1: up and they're like very protective. And you and I

1637
01:34:41,280 --> 01:34:43,160
Speaker 1: talked about this, and you and you kind of laid

1638
01:34:43,160 --> 01:34:46,800
Speaker 1: out for me, like, well, historically, misuse of land is

1639
01:34:46,880 --> 01:34:48,880
Speaker 1: like one of the first things that happens, and so

1640
01:34:49,000 --> 01:34:51,559
Speaker 1: people have to protect that kind of stuff. But that

1641
01:34:51,640 --> 01:34:53,240
Speaker 1: never fit with me in terms of like you could

1642
01:34:53,240 --> 01:34:55,240
Speaker 1: be talking to a nice guy, but if he's a hunter, oh, man,

1643
01:34:55,280 --> 01:34:57,160
Speaker 1: don't ask him about his land or don't ask him

1644
01:34:57,200 --> 01:34:59,240
Speaker 1: where he hunts or any of that. It's a hot

1645
01:34:59,320 --> 01:35:01,920
Speaker 1: button topic that I don't understand why people get so

1646
01:35:02,000 --> 01:35:05,320
Speaker 1: edgy about. See anyways, man that I like it. That's

1647
01:35:05,400 --> 01:35:10,599
Speaker 1: that's such a good the unique perspective, I mean not unique,

1648
01:35:10,600 --> 01:35:14,320
Speaker 1: but insightful. I think two hunters that are pretty that

1649
01:35:14,360 --> 01:35:21,519
Speaker 1: are into the hunting world ta perceptions of perceptions of hunting.

1650
01:35:22,120 --> 01:35:26,280
Speaker 1: So I that's one of those places where those barriers

1651
01:35:26,400 --> 01:35:28,680
Speaker 1: aren't as extreme for me because of where I grew

1652
01:35:28,760 --> 01:35:32,519
Speaker 1: up and um, but I can see them and I

1653
01:35:32,560 --> 01:35:35,960
Speaker 1: think this. I was thinking about that while while Jonathan

1654
01:35:36,040 --> 01:35:40,960
Speaker 1: was talking. I think that, and I used the term

1655
01:35:41,000 --> 01:35:44,160
Speaker 1: earlier gate keeping. And it's kind of like an exclusive

1656
01:35:45,160 --> 01:35:49,080
Speaker 1: kind of uh tendencies that aren't even intentional, it's just

1657
01:35:49,479 --> 01:35:52,679
Speaker 1: barriers that that kind of get established in the culture.

1658
01:35:52,720 --> 01:35:59,800
Speaker 1: And this happens with every passionate bad exactly thinking Razor

1659
01:36:00,080 --> 01:36:03,840
Speaker 1: football fans, you know, like people, because when you get

1660
01:36:03,880 --> 01:36:06,320
Speaker 1: to a point where you are so passionate and your

1661
01:36:06,360 --> 01:36:10,760
Speaker 1: identity is so based on your actions, like it overtakes

1662
01:36:10,760 --> 01:36:14,280
Speaker 1: everything and it defines you and you put it on display.

1663
01:36:14,320 --> 01:36:16,920
Speaker 1: Like people that just roll around and razor back everything

1664
01:36:17,600 --> 01:36:20,519
Speaker 1: all the time, and it's just like O, they're they're

1665
01:36:20,520 --> 01:36:23,720
Speaker 1: on message boards, they're constantly reading this or doing that

1666
01:36:23,800 --> 01:36:26,680
Speaker 1: and talking all about it, and it's just consumes them

1667
01:36:26,720 --> 01:36:29,599
Speaker 1: and it's just like that's a razorback fan. Same thing

1668
01:36:29,600 --> 01:36:32,519
Speaker 1: with hunters. It's just like and if I don't have,

1669
01:36:33,080 --> 01:36:36,759
Speaker 1: uh a browning sticker on the back of my truck,

1670
01:36:37,080 --> 01:36:39,280
Speaker 1: and I don't have you know, a bunch of first

1671
01:36:39,400 --> 01:36:44,360
Speaker 1: light gear and like a like a big truck or

1672
01:36:44,479 --> 01:36:48,320
Speaker 1: or you know, trophy mounts in my house or any

1673
01:36:48,400 --> 01:36:54,040
Speaker 1: kind of things like the because hunters have become so

1674
01:36:54,160 --> 01:36:57,240
Speaker 1: passionate about hunting, which is both good and a little

1675
01:36:57,280 --> 01:37:00,120
Speaker 1: strange because it's also so much a part of what

1676
01:37:00,240 --> 01:37:04,440
Speaker 1: we consider normal life. And then it became very uh

1677
01:37:04,720 --> 01:37:12,240
Speaker 1: like um eccentric, almost to the edge of society, almost

1678
01:37:12,240 --> 01:37:15,040
Speaker 1: like fetishized, I think it would be the word. Like

1679
01:37:15,400 --> 01:37:18,920
Speaker 1: it just becomes such an obsession for some people and uh,

1680
01:37:19,720 --> 01:37:21,960
Speaker 1: they just wear it, and so it feels like I can't,

1681
01:37:22,960 --> 01:37:26,080
Speaker 1: I can't step that deep into it. It's either it's

1682
01:37:26,400 --> 01:37:29,639
Speaker 1: you know, and to hear you speak highly of like

1683
01:37:29,960 --> 01:37:34,120
Speaker 1: someone who goes hunting once a weekend every year. Helps

1684
01:37:34,160 --> 01:37:37,120
Speaker 1: tear that down because you don't get that except you

1685
01:37:37,160 --> 01:37:39,200
Speaker 1: don't get that from some folks. And then there are

1686
01:37:39,240 --> 01:37:42,599
Speaker 1: some folks that do that that are kind of like

1687
01:37:43,000 --> 01:37:46,760
Speaker 1: the what I would have traditionally considered kind of the

1688
01:37:46,760 --> 01:37:50,679
Speaker 1: the lazy hunter who's just gonna he's gonna hunt one week.

1689
01:37:50,760 --> 01:37:54,280
Speaker 1: He's gonna hunt opening of deer season, and he's going

1690
01:37:54,320 --> 01:37:57,640
Speaker 1: to go out there and just like sit in the

1691
01:37:57,720 --> 01:37:59,360
Speaker 1: deer stand that he's had, his feet are running end

1692
01:37:59,400 --> 01:38:03,400
Speaker 1: the whole time, and like he and that's not wrong

1693
01:38:03,520 --> 01:38:06,479
Speaker 1: to do that, it's just a different kind of like

1694
01:38:07,600 --> 01:38:10,000
Speaker 1: that's the that's the average hunter that goes out and

1695
01:38:10,720 --> 01:38:13,040
Speaker 1: that's that, you know, I'm not. I'm not. I'm trying

1696
01:38:13,080 --> 01:38:15,719
Speaker 1: not to be derogatory because I don't. I'm using words

1697
01:38:15,720 --> 01:38:18,559
Speaker 1: that make it sound like I'm looking down on those folks.

1698
01:38:18,800 --> 01:38:21,040
Speaker 1: Those folks hunt more than I do. They keep dirt

1699
01:38:21,240 --> 01:38:24,800
Speaker 1: freezer stop more than I do, unfortunately, But I'm not

1700
01:38:24,840 --> 01:38:27,360
Speaker 1: in a place where I can do that, Like you

1701
01:38:27,439 --> 01:38:30,240
Speaker 1: gotta have land for that to have ease of hunting,

1702
01:38:30,360 --> 01:38:32,240
Speaker 1: to where hunting is just a part of what you do.

1703
01:38:32,280 --> 01:38:34,519
Speaker 1: It's not a part of your identity, but you do

1704
01:38:34,600 --> 01:38:37,160
Speaker 1: it and it's easy and you just have it. I

1705
01:38:37,200 --> 01:38:40,559
Speaker 1: can't step into that saying um, and so I can't

1706
01:38:40,560 --> 01:38:43,439
Speaker 1: relate to that either. And so because people are like, well, man,

1707
01:38:43,439 --> 01:38:52,880
Speaker 1: why didn't you get your deer? Like, I don't think that. Oh,

1708
01:38:52,960 --> 01:38:55,360
Speaker 1: but I think it's really insightful what you're saying, because

1709
01:38:55,400 --> 01:38:56,880
Speaker 1: I had that a lot of uh. I used to

1710
01:38:56,880 --> 01:38:59,479
Speaker 1: work at Daisy Outdoor Products, the bb Gun Company, and

1711
01:38:59,560 --> 01:39:02,599
Speaker 1: obviously there's a huge hunting culture there, and there there

1712
01:39:02,840 --> 01:39:07,960
Speaker 1: was a ton of hunting armchair quarterbacks and they had,

1713
01:39:08,120 --> 01:39:10,760
Speaker 1: you know, a little bit of land, they had everything

1714
01:39:10,880 --> 01:39:13,720
Speaker 1: set up. It's just like modern gun season. I'm gonna

1715
01:39:13,760 --> 01:39:17,879
Speaker 1: get out my my my side by side, I'm gonna

1716
01:39:17,960 --> 01:39:20,120
Speaker 1: run out to my dear camp. I'm gonna go out,

1717
01:39:20,200 --> 01:39:22,559
Speaker 1: have a good time, feel my freezer full of deer,

1718
01:39:23,040 --> 01:39:27,320
Speaker 1: tag out and I'm done. And they're not as overly

1719
01:39:27,360 --> 01:39:30,280
Speaker 1: committed to it, but they have it so easy because

1720
01:39:30,320 --> 01:39:35,080
Speaker 1: of like just invested into it, or like what they

1721
01:39:35,120 --> 01:39:37,160
Speaker 1: were given or any of those things. It just comes

1722
01:39:37,160 --> 01:39:39,599
Speaker 1: so natural. And so for me, being the guy on

1723
01:39:39,640 --> 01:39:42,120
Speaker 1: the outside with none of that, it's just like, man,

1724
01:39:42,160 --> 01:39:44,160
Speaker 1: what haven't you got any deer, You're not get any deer.

1725
01:39:44,320 --> 01:39:47,880
Speaker 1: What's going on? It's just like, man, I'm trying. It's

1726
01:39:47,880 --> 01:39:51,720
Speaker 1: a little harder for me. I'm sorry that I think

1727
01:39:52,040 --> 01:39:54,840
Speaker 1: what I hear or a conclusion that I came to

1728
01:39:54,880 --> 01:39:58,920
Speaker 1: about myself as I'm hearing you talk right there, tie is.

1729
01:39:59,000 --> 01:40:01,360
Speaker 1: I think that in the out door media world, we've

1730
01:40:01,840 --> 01:40:06,840
Speaker 1: talked negatively about the one weekend the year hunter. I

1731
01:40:06,960 --> 01:40:10,400
Speaker 1: hear that we talk negatively about that because if you're

1732
01:40:10,439 --> 01:40:15,840
Speaker 1: a serious hunter, quote unquote, then that guy is kind

1733
01:40:15,880 --> 01:40:18,639
Speaker 1: of not doing things the way you want. You view

1734
01:40:18,680 --> 01:40:21,160
Speaker 1: him as not committed. You might view him as lazy

1735
01:40:21,479 --> 01:40:24,400
Speaker 1: you might be, and you view him as not having

1736
01:40:24,479 --> 01:40:27,479
Speaker 1: hunting tactics that are very good. So he's going in

1737
01:40:27,560 --> 01:40:31,479
Speaker 1: and spook and game. And I just realized almost almost

1738
01:40:31,760 --> 01:40:34,960
Speaker 1: has an unethical feel to it. Yeah, and even me

1739
01:40:35,080 --> 01:40:37,120
Speaker 1: on the on the other side of it. So if

1740
01:40:37,160 --> 01:40:39,479
Speaker 1: I am on the like entry level, and then there's

1741
01:40:39,520 --> 01:40:42,479
Speaker 1: those guys, and then there's the next level of just

1742
01:40:42,560 --> 01:40:45,839
Speaker 1: like super dedicated people that those people in the middle

1743
01:40:46,160 --> 01:40:49,080
Speaker 1: are kind of like like, I don't know, maybe it's

1744
01:40:49,080 --> 01:40:50,800
Speaker 1: because I want to be one of the purest. On

1745
01:40:50,840 --> 01:40:53,040
Speaker 1: the other end, I can even look and be like,

1746
01:40:53,120 --> 01:40:56,120
Speaker 1: I don't I don't like to see. What I see

1747
01:40:56,320 --> 01:41:01,160
Speaker 1: is that that's a massive like social construct that And

1748
01:41:01,200 --> 01:41:03,200
Speaker 1: I'm talking about me because I would be on the

1749
01:41:03,560 --> 01:41:08,160
Speaker 1: serious quote unquote side because what I told you, and again,

1750
01:41:08,200 --> 01:41:11,360
Speaker 1: I'm looking for hypocrisies. And I think that would have

1751
01:41:11,400 --> 01:41:14,719
Speaker 1: been something that just in the last decade I would

1752
01:41:14,720 --> 01:41:19,160
Speaker 1: have thought, Jonathan. It's like, man, just just hunt once

1753
01:41:19,160 --> 01:41:21,840
Speaker 1: a week, once a year, Jonathan, get you a gun,

1754
01:41:22,680 --> 01:41:25,960
Speaker 1: some hunter's orange, learn to learn some of the rules.

1755
01:41:27,600 --> 01:41:30,320
Speaker 1: Take your dear to a processor so you don't even

1756
01:41:30,320 --> 01:41:33,799
Speaker 1: have to learn how to cut it up yourself. That's fine.

1757
01:41:34,760 --> 01:41:37,519
Speaker 1: Just be a be a once a weekend hunter. That's fine.

1758
01:41:37,880 --> 01:41:40,479
Speaker 1: As long as you know what you are. You're honest

1759
01:41:40,520 --> 01:41:42,559
Speaker 1: about what you are. You're not trying to make it

1760
01:41:42,600 --> 01:41:46,559
Speaker 1: sound like you're something that you're not. Like. I mean,

1761
01:41:46,560 --> 01:41:48,280
Speaker 1: I think that because I think that's where the purist

1762
01:41:48,360 --> 01:41:50,840
Speaker 1: get upset, as they would see a guy like that

1763
01:41:50,960 --> 01:41:55,360
Speaker 1: like and and you know, this is just like jealousy, greed,

1764
01:41:55,479 --> 01:41:57,680
Speaker 1: stupid stuff, like see a guy like that kill a

1765
01:41:57,680 --> 01:42:02,280
Speaker 1: big deer like you did tie and then and then

1766
01:42:03,479 --> 01:42:05,479
Speaker 1: you know, and then that guy and I'm not appointing

1767
01:42:05,560 --> 01:42:08,720
Speaker 1: you now, you know, strut around like there's some big

1768
01:42:08,760 --> 01:42:13,559
Speaker 1: stud hunter and then the jealous serious hunter. It's just stupid,

1769
01:42:13,920 --> 01:42:19,439
Speaker 1: absolute stupidity. And now in in in we're coming into.

1770
01:42:21,000 --> 01:42:24,920
Speaker 1: Now is the time when we have to unify. Like

1771
01:42:25,120 --> 01:42:30,240
Speaker 1: a serious dedicated hunter that doesn't I mean most real,

1772
01:42:30,320 --> 01:42:34,360
Speaker 1: serious dedicated hunters are not good recruiting new hunters because

1773
01:42:34,360 --> 01:42:37,799
Speaker 1: you're so serious about it, you just don't have space,

1774
01:42:38,320 --> 01:42:40,400
Speaker 1: like if you're gonna be It's like a professional basketball

1775
01:42:40,439 --> 01:42:43,719
Speaker 1: player is not probably a very good peewee basketball coach.

1776
01:42:44,240 --> 01:42:47,120
Speaker 1: I mean like he's he's you know, during the NBA season,

1777
01:42:47,200 --> 01:42:50,280
Speaker 1: during the peak of his career. It's like, and I

1778
01:42:50,280 --> 01:42:52,639
Speaker 1: I don't have time. I'm traveling to Cleveland to play

1779
01:42:52,800 --> 01:42:55,960
Speaker 1: Lebron James. I mean, like that's what it feels like.

1780
01:42:56,760 --> 01:43:01,320
Speaker 1: But we have to. I have to. And a lot

1781
01:43:01,360 --> 01:43:03,320
Speaker 1: of the guys there's probably broad spectrum people to listen

1782
01:43:03,320 --> 01:43:05,280
Speaker 1: to this podcast, guys are pretty serious guys. They are

1783
01:43:05,280 --> 01:43:07,800
Speaker 1: pretty new and it's like we all got to be

1784
01:43:07,840 --> 01:43:10,519
Speaker 1: on the same team. It's like, man, I like it

1785
01:43:10,560 --> 01:43:12,080
Speaker 1: that you can just go hunt a couple of times

1786
01:43:12,080 --> 01:43:14,920
Speaker 1: a year. Just do that and ty you know, you

1787
01:43:14,960 --> 01:43:17,400
Speaker 1: may find a space in between there at some point

1788
01:43:17,400 --> 01:43:20,400
Speaker 1: when you maybe find a deep connection to some hunting

1789
01:43:20,479 --> 01:43:23,639
Speaker 1: land that you have and and you're like, man, every

1790
01:43:23,720 --> 01:43:25,439
Speaker 1: year we can go there. So I'll take the boys

1791
01:43:25,439 --> 01:43:28,760
Speaker 1: out there three weekends a year and we'll kill you know,

1792
01:43:28,880 --> 01:43:33,800
Speaker 1: maybe you can take it a notch higher, you know. Yeah,

1793
01:43:33,840 --> 01:43:36,479
Speaker 1: I think I think that's what you want. You yeah,

1794
01:43:36,760 --> 01:43:39,200
Speaker 1: And and it's undecided what you want John. You know,

1795
01:43:39,240 --> 01:43:42,439
Speaker 1: you're you're new, so the sky's the limit. You You

1796
01:43:42,479 --> 01:43:44,559
Speaker 1: may kill a deer and be like, man, I want

1797
01:43:44,560 --> 01:43:46,320
Speaker 1: to dedicate a lot of my free time in the

1798
01:43:46,320 --> 01:43:48,479
Speaker 1: fall to this. I love it. I want to, you know.

1799
01:43:48,520 --> 01:43:52,559
Speaker 1: I mean, but what I'm saying is that typically the

1800
01:43:52,640 --> 01:43:56,320
Speaker 1: serious hunter would look negatively on anybody that wasn't doing

1801
01:43:56,360 --> 01:43:58,160
Speaker 1: it as good as him, and he'd be jealous of

1802
01:43:58,160 --> 01:44:01,400
Speaker 1: the guy that was doing it better. That's what's got

1803
01:44:01,400 --> 01:44:05,400
Speaker 1: to die, you know. And uh, and what I'm and

1804
01:44:05,479 --> 01:44:09,200
Speaker 1: you said the word elitist, I think that describes us,

1805
01:44:09,240 --> 01:44:12,479
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna say us as a quote unquote the

1806
01:44:12,560 --> 01:44:15,960
Speaker 1: serious hunters pretty well. And I don't know how to

1807
01:44:16,360 --> 01:44:22,000
Speaker 1: remedy that other than just a change it internally. But like, yeah,

1808
01:44:22,040 --> 01:44:24,960
Speaker 1: we're kind of elitist. And boy, you don't want to

1809
01:44:24,960 --> 01:44:28,320
Speaker 1: be around an elitist if you're an amateur. Do you

1810
01:44:28,320 --> 01:44:31,240
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. No, it's it's so true. This

1811
01:44:31,360 --> 01:44:33,920
Speaker 1: year I got into cycling. I have really been getting

1812
01:44:33,920 --> 01:44:36,680
Speaker 1: into cycling, and I've pushed myself and I'm a cyclist now.

1813
01:44:36,760 --> 01:44:40,240
Speaker 1: But I am a very amateur cyclist. And there is

1814
01:44:40,280 --> 01:44:43,040
Speaker 1: a guy I know in the cycling community who is

1815
01:44:43,120 --> 01:44:49,639
Speaker 1: what I would call an elitist. This is a good

1816
01:44:49,680 --> 01:44:52,080
Speaker 1: story though. He he is he is able to keep

1817
01:44:52,160 --> 01:44:55,280
Speaker 1: up with with the group a's on these you know,

1818
01:44:55,520 --> 01:44:58,000
Speaker 1: really impressive communities, and he can he can just run

1819
01:44:58,120 --> 01:45:01,040
Speaker 1: I mean circles around me. And he made an effort

1820
01:45:01,040 --> 01:45:02,880
Speaker 1: and he reached out to me and said like, hey,

1821
01:45:02,880 --> 01:45:04,880
Speaker 1: I'll take you out sometime, like I'll show you some

1822
01:45:04,920 --> 01:45:06,680
Speaker 1: of the routes that I like to go on. And

1823
01:45:06,720 --> 01:45:10,479
Speaker 1: I actually, like did not pursue him because I was thinking, like, yeah,

1824
01:45:10,520 --> 01:45:12,360
Speaker 1: he's you know, he's kind of the elite. I don't

1825
01:45:12,360 --> 01:45:13,960
Speaker 1: want to drag him down, and I kin don't want

1826
01:45:14,000 --> 01:45:16,320
Speaker 1: him get frustrated at me. And he made an effort

1827
01:45:16,560 --> 01:45:18,280
Speaker 1: and he actually like put me at ease. He said,

1828
01:45:18,520 --> 01:45:19,920
Speaker 1: I think he just picked up on the fact that

1829
01:45:19,960 --> 01:45:21,800
Speaker 1: I was like kind of like, oh, he's he's way

1830
01:45:21,800 --> 01:45:24,320
Speaker 1: too out of my league here, and he said like, hey, listen,

1831
01:45:24,640 --> 01:45:26,840
Speaker 1: I can go with one of these communities and ride

1832
01:45:26,840 --> 01:45:29,479
Speaker 1: twenty miles an hour for four hours anytime I want.

1833
01:45:29,640 --> 01:45:31,320
Speaker 1: But I don't always want to do that, Like I

1834
01:45:31,360 --> 01:45:32,880
Speaker 1: want to go on your ride. I want to show

1835
01:45:32,920 --> 01:45:35,000
Speaker 1: you the things that I enjoy and then you might

1836
01:45:35,080 --> 01:45:36,880
Speaker 1: enjoy them too, And like I don't care if we

1837
01:45:36,920 --> 01:45:39,080
Speaker 1: go thirteen miles an hour, that's your pace. I'll make

1838
01:45:39,120 --> 01:45:40,760
Speaker 1: it my pace. I can go twenty miles an if

1839
01:45:40,760 --> 01:45:42,720
Speaker 1: I want to, but I don't want to today. And

1840
01:45:42,760 --> 01:45:45,479
Speaker 1: that really put me at ease and let me receive

1841
01:45:45,600 --> 01:45:48,320
Speaker 1: from him. But he, I think modeled the kind of

1842
01:45:48,320 --> 01:45:50,200
Speaker 1: thing that you're talking about. If somebody who has a

1843
01:45:50,240 --> 01:45:55,200
Speaker 1: foot in the elite, who can pour into somebody who's

1844
01:45:55,240 --> 01:45:59,680
Speaker 1: just starting out willingly and not not with any sort

1845
01:45:59,720 --> 01:46:02,320
Speaker 1: of his men or like frustrations, but like pulls them

1846
01:46:02,320 --> 01:46:04,439
Speaker 1: along and says like, hey, no, I enjoy showing you

1847
01:46:04,479 --> 01:46:06,000
Speaker 1: how to do this as much as I also enjoy

1848
01:46:06,120 --> 01:46:07,479
Speaker 1: one out there and right in twenty miles an hour,

1849
01:46:08,720 --> 01:46:11,439
Speaker 1: that's good. I think. I think that's key. I I

1850
01:46:11,479 --> 01:46:14,200
Speaker 1: see that in the running world too, Like people going

1851
01:46:14,320 --> 01:46:17,519
Speaker 1: running and and like wanting to push themselves at at

1852
01:46:17,520 --> 01:46:21,160
Speaker 1: tempo or push themselves at distance. They're intimidated like I

1853
01:46:21,200 --> 01:46:23,160
Speaker 1: can't run that far, I can't run that fast, And

1854
01:46:23,200 --> 01:46:24,960
Speaker 1: it's just like, yeah, but I can run less and

1855
01:46:25,000 --> 01:46:27,960
Speaker 1: I can run slower like as the person who is

1856
01:46:28,080 --> 01:46:30,280
Speaker 1: who is pushing themselves. And it's just further along in

1857
01:46:30,320 --> 01:46:32,720
Speaker 1: the journey is what it really boils down to. I've

1858
01:46:32,760 --> 01:46:36,000
Speaker 1: just been doing it for more time. I can dial

1859
01:46:36,080 --> 01:46:39,559
Speaker 1: that back and and bring you along because like there's

1860
01:46:39,680 --> 01:46:43,679
Speaker 1: there's joy in that. And um, I think I think

1861
01:46:43,720 --> 01:46:49,880
Speaker 1: of your dad Clay as somebody who you talked about, Um,

1862
01:46:49,920 --> 01:46:53,360
Speaker 1: somebody who's like really busy going hunting all the time,

1863
01:46:53,920 --> 01:46:56,240
Speaker 1: doesn't get to hunt so they they're they're so focused

1864
01:46:56,240 --> 01:46:58,280
Speaker 1: on it they can't help out. They don't have time.

1865
01:46:58,320 --> 01:47:01,200
Speaker 1: And you mentioned a really good ask a player. Good

1866
01:47:01,200 --> 01:47:03,400
Speaker 1: basketball player wouldn't make a good coach, and it's just

1867
01:47:03,400 --> 01:47:05,000
Speaker 1: like right, it's a different kind of person to be

1868
01:47:05,040 --> 01:47:08,200
Speaker 1: a good coach. I think your dad like running those

1869
01:47:08,240 --> 01:47:10,800
Speaker 1: deer camps. Man, he's the host of all hosts, and

1870
01:47:10,800 --> 01:47:12,519
Speaker 1: that's what he's there to do. He's not there to

1871
01:47:12,640 --> 01:47:15,080
Speaker 1: hunt when he's got his deer camp running and he's

1872
01:47:15,160 --> 01:47:17,800
Speaker 1: invested time into it and he's trying to make sure

1873
01:47:17,960 --> 01:47:20,880
Speaker 1: our hunts go as well as they can. And I

1874
01:47:20,880 --> 01:47:22,640
Speaker 1: appreciate about that. It's one of the great things that

1875
01:47:22,800 --> 01:47:24,960
Speaker 1: one of the reasons I enjoy going to deer camp is,

1876
01:47:25,000 --> 01:47:27,080
Speaker 1: I know, Gary Nuke, you can take care of me man,

1877
01:47:27,439 --> 01:47:30,400
Speaker 1: And he does. He does, he is, he is a

1878
01:47:30,439 --> 01:47:34,320
Speaker 1: host and uh and I know he does hunting on

1879
01:47:34,360 --> 01:47:36,920
Speaker 1: his own too, but like he does a good job

1880
01:47:36,920 --> 01:47:40,120
Speaker 1: of kind of switching those he does hats in that context.

1881
01:47:40,280 --> 01:47:46,559
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, that's a good point. Well, I really

1882
01:47:46,600 --> 01:47:49,920
Speaker 1: I think my eyes have been opened at a new

1883
01:47:50,120 --> 01:47:54,040
Speaker 1: level two kind of the you know, because there's all

1884
01:47:54,080 --> 01:47:58,519
Speaker 1: these external things like humans love and external fix like

1885
01:47:58,560 --> 01:48:04,120
Speaker 1: an external fixes take a new hunter. Well, you could

1886
01:48:04,160 --> 01:48:06,519
Speaker 1: take a new hunter and feel like you've done your

1887
01:48:06,600 --> 01:48:12,839
Speaker 1: deed and you not really give them a legitimate space.

1888
01:48:13,400 --> 01:48:15,519
Speaker 1: It would be like you taking me cyclings, I got

1889
01:48:15,479 --> 01:48:17,760
Speaker 1: an extra cycle, come cycle with us, and then you

1890
01:48:18,080 --> 01:48:22,120
Speaker 1: checking off the box. I have introduced Clay's cycle. Take

1891
01:48:22,160 --> 01:48:24,439
Speaker 1: you into somewhere that you would never want to come back, yeah,

1892
01:48:24,560 --> 01:48:28,120
Speaker 1: or or just not, I don't know it just it

1893
01:48:28,200 --> 01:48:30,720
Speaker 1: just takes time. It would take time for for you

1894
01:48:30,760 --> 01:48:33,960
Speaker 1: to say, man, cycling is valuable because it's it's this,

1895
01:48:34,040 --> 01:48:35,439
Speaker 1: and it's this and you get to do this and

1896
01:48:35,439 --> 01:48:37,160
Speaker 1: you get to experience this, and it's just opens you

1897
01:48:37,200 --> 01:48:39,080
Speaker 1: up to this socially and you get to I mean,

1898
01:48:39,320 --> 01:48:40,800
Speaker 1: you know it just it would just take more than

1899
01:48:40,880 --> 01:48:44,880
Speaker 1: just like come with me, and I think there's just

1900
01:48:45,120 --> 01:48:49,519
Speaker 1: broader Well, okay, I was talking about external fix. Really

1901
01:48:49,760 --> 01:48:57,840
Speaker 1: the fix, the fix for hunters in our problem is internal.

1902
01:48:59,040 --> 01:49:01,759
Speaker 1: It's with each one of us. And I'm talking about

1903
01:49:01,840 --> 01:49:06,559
Speaker 1: us being that like established hunting community. I don't want

1904
01:49:06,560 --> 01:49:09,559
Speaker 1: even want to break it down, but like my the

1905
01:49:09,600 --> 01:49:12,439
Speaker 1: way that I will be a better hunter mentor and

1906
01:49:12,560 --> 01:49:15,840
Speaker 1: help people navigate through barriers is for me to be

1907
01:49:15,920 --> 01:49:18,639
Speaker 1: something a little bit different than I am, maybe even

1908
01:49:18,720 --> 01:49:21,800
Speaker 1: right now. Do you understand what I'm saying to be

1909
01:49:22,840 --> 01:49:25,439
Speaker 1: to to to take the time to really think about

1910
01:49:25,640 --> 01:49:28,639
Speaker 1: the barriers. And you know what the other thing is

1911
01:49:28,640 --> 01:49:32,240
Speaker 1: is that you do. You guys don't know it, but

1912
01:49:32,439 --> 01:49:36,560
Speaker 1: you guys have passed some tests that I have internally

1913
01:49:36,600 --> 01:49:40,160
Speaker 1: for who I invest my time in. You know. I mean,

1914
01:49:40,200 --> 01:49:42,640
Speaker 1: like I was really impressed Jonathan that you went and

1915
01:49:42,680 --> 01:49:45,920
Speaker 1: did your hunter's education course, and that you got a gun,

1916
01:49:46,720 --> 01:49:48,880
Speaker 1: and that you at least kept knocking on the door,

1917
01:49:49,000 --> 01:49:51,559
Speaker 1: like we had a joke because a couple of times

1918
01:49:51,640 --> 01:49:54,040
Speaker 1: he asked me to go and I say, keep knocking, buddy,

1919
01:49:54,120 --> 01:49:56,000
Speaker 1: we're gonna make it because you wanted to go and

1920
01:49:56,040 --> 01:49:58,360
Speaker 1: we couldn't. And I said keep knocking. I said. The

1921
01:49:58,360 --> 01:50:01,519
Speaker 1: way that you'll get to that I all really help

1922
01:50:01,560 --> 01:50:02,960
Speaker 1: you as much as I can is if you just

1923
01:50:03,080 --> 01:50:06,280
Speaker 1: keep asking. Don't ask me one time and then ten

1924
01:50:06,360 --> 01:50:08,600
Speaker 1: years later say well you never took me. I'd be like,

1925
01:50:08,640 --> 01:50:10,040
Speaker 1: you don't really want to go if you ask me

1926
01:50:10,120 --> 01:50:12,760
Speaker 1: one time. I mean, whether that's right or wrong. Like

1927
01:50:12,880 --> 01:50:14,760
Speaker 1: I and I do have a lot of people talking

1928
01:50:14,720 --> 01:50:17,640
Speaker 1: to about hunting, and I want to I want to

1929
01:50:17,680 --> 01:50:21,800
Speaker 1: invest my energy into something to someone that's really at

1930
01:50:21,840 --> 01:50:24,080
Speaker 1: least serious enough about it. And both of you have

1931
01:50:24,200 --> 01:50:26,640
Speaker 1: done that, Ty, you have for a decade, and I

1932
01:50:26,720 --> 01:50:29,280
Speaker 1: like that You're never gonna wear me out saying I

1933
01:50:29,320 --> 01:50:32,000
Speaker 1: want to go hunting. Really even actually this year I

1934
01:50:32,000 --> 01:50:34,880
Speaker 1: wondered why you didn't because you killed a big buck

1935
01:50:34,960 --> 01:50:37,920
Speaker 1: last year. I figured you'd be like when we going clay,

1936
01:50:38,280 --> 01:50:40,160
Speaker 1: and so you didn't and now I say that you

1937
01:50:40,240 --> 01:50:43,040
Speaker 1: were you were trying to be polite, and you know,

1938
01:50:43,080 --> 01:50:45,200
Speaker 1: I have to go on my own and I respect

1939
01:50:45,240 --> 01:50:47,160
Speaker 1: that I do. And and you're right, you know, I

1940
01:50:47,160 --> 01:50:50,960
Speaker 1: mean for you to really establish what you want, I mean,

1941
01:50:51,000 --> 01:50:54,240
Speaker 1: you kind of are gonna have to find. Not that

1942
01:50:54,280 --> 01:50:56,000
Speaker 1: you can't come hut with me, That's not what I'm saying,

1943
01:50:56,280 --> 01:50:59,560
Speaker 1: but you know that's what It does take some initiative.

1944
01:51:00,080 --> 01:51:04,160
Speaker 1: There's there's several young gentlemen, uh that I know right

1945
01:51:04,160 --> 01:51:08,120
Speaker 1: now that I have said, get your Hunter's Education card,

1946
01:51:09,160 --> 01:51:11,880
Speaker 1: I will buy your hunting license, and I will mentor

1947
01:51:11,960 --> 01:51:15,559
Speaker 1: you in hunting. And it's been a long time and

1948
01:51:15,600 --> 01:51:17,800
Speaker 1: they still haven't done it, and so it's kind of like,

1949
01:51:18,960 --> 01:51:20,120
Speaker 1: I don't know, you know, and they have their own

1950
01:51:20,200 --> 01:51:26,479
Speaker 1: unique challenges, so I'm not dogging them, but there's a

1951
01:51:26,520 --> 01:51:29,760
Speaker 1: step that they have to take anyway. So there there

1952
01:51:29,840 --> 01:51:33,120
Speaker 1: there's a cost. There's a cost of anything. If I

1953
01:51:33,160 --> 01:51:35,280
Speaker 1: wanted to be an ultra runner, it would be a

1954
01:51:35,280 --> 01:51:39,559
Speaker 1: big cost, you know. Um. But the the the unique

1955
01:51:39,600 --> 01:51:42,360
Speaker 1: thing about hunting is that we have to have participants

1956
01:51:42,360 --> 01:51:44,760
Speaker 1: for it to last, because if it ever gets down

1957
01:51:44,760 --> 01:51:48,840
Speaker 1: to where there's one million hunters in the US, This

1958
01:51:49,000 --> 01:51:52,240
Speaker 1: democratic government of ours will shut it down. I mean,

1959
01:51:52,560 --> 01:51:56,640
Speaker 1: that's a very narrow, non complex, simple way to say it.

1960
01:51:57,200 --> 01:52:00,639
Speaker 1: But it there's so much at stake, conservation dollars being

1961
01:52:00,680 --> 01:52:05,000
Speaker 1: funded by hunters, being funded by the Robertson Pittman excise tax,

1962
01:52:05,160 --> 01:52:07,599
Speaker 1: which was going to be on the quiz but took

1963
01:52:07,640 --> 01:52:09,479
Speaker 1: it off, so that I've never heard of it said,

1964
01:52:09,960 --> 01:52:12,840
Speaker 1: that's the way conservation is funded in this country. I mean,

1965
01:52:13,120 --> 01:52:16,519
Speaker 1: that's that is the one of the main arguments that

1966
01:52:16,560 --> 01:52:19,200
Speaker 1: we have for modern hunting is that we pay for

1967
01:52:19,360 --> 01:52:23,600
Speaker 1: habitat conservation and wildlife conservation through this excess tax that

1968
01:52:23,680 --> 01:52:27,160
Speaker 1: on is that tax on ammunition, tax on ammunition, hunting

1969
01:52:27,160 --> 01:52:32,479
Speaker 1: and fishing gear, guns, guns, ammunition, uh, all hunting gear

1970
01:52:32,600 --> 01:52:38,040
Speaker 1: like a grunt call camouflage. You know, So, of the

1971
01:52:38,400 --> 01:52:41,000
Speaker 1: of of hunters, the population of hunters, what percentage do

1972
01:52:41,040 --> 01:52:43,759
Speaker 1: you think have knowledge about things like the robber Pittman

1973
01:52:43,800 --> 01:52:46,920
Speaker 1: tax or the laces More and more since podcasts have

1974
01:52:47,000 --> 01:52:52,120
Speaker 1: popped up, really like, but would my dad know about

1975
01:52:52,120 --> 01:52:57,679
Speaker 1: the Robertson Pittman Act. No, very doubtful, and my dad's

1976
01:52:57,800 --> 01:53:00,479
Speaker 1: a lifetime hunter. Do you think hunter should know that

1977
01:53:00,520 --> 01:53:04,679
Speaker 1: kind of self abs dad, come loutley. Yeah. That that's

1978
01:53:05,120 --> 01:53:08,679
Speaker 1: that's where our narrative has to shift, and that's inside

1979
01:53:08,760 --> 01:53:14,280
Speaker 1: outdoor media. That is my I preach that you got

1980
01:53:14,280 --> 01:53:19,240
Speaker 1: to have the words to say two people like you

1981
01:53:19,280 --> 01:53:22,599
Speaker 1: can't just be like I love to hunt. You got

1982
01:53:22,640 --> 01:53:25,679
Speaker 1: to have the words. You've got to be able to say. Man,

1983
01:53:26,040 --> 01:53:31,920
Speaker 1: we fund habitat and conservation through this exercise tax that

1984
01:53:31,960 --> 01:53:36,880
Speaker 1: we willfully pay more for and that money goes into

1985
01:53:36,920 --> 01:53:39,320
Speaker 1: a slush fund of the federal government that's distributed to

1986
01:53:39,320 --> 01:53:42,960
Speaker 1: all the states. So Arkansas gets Robertson Pittman money every year.

1987
01:53:43,040 --> 01:53:46,800
Speaker 1: That funds the Arkansas Game and Fish Commission buying habitat

1988
01:53:46,920 --> 01:53:49,240
Speaker 1: that's turned into public lands. That would be one example.

1989
01:53:49,479 --> 01:53:53,479
Speaker 1: They buy, Like they might buy a farm that's next

1990
01:53:53,520 --> 01:53:56,360
Speaker 1: to a piece of public ground that's up for sale

1991
01:53:56,439 --> 01:53:58,840
Speaker 1: that would be beneficial for that piece of public ground

1992
01:53:58,920 --> 01:54:01,519
Speaker 1: to connect another piece, and they're like, we're gonna buy that.

1993
01:54:01,800 --> 01:54:05,120
Speaker 1: I mean, they could use Robertson pitt money to do that.

1994
01:54:05,120 --> 01:54:09,160
Speaker 1: That land is then forever cemented into the public domain.

1995
01:54:09,200 --> 01:54:11,840
Speaker 1: I mean like massive wind for conservation. They're never gonna

1996
01:54:11,880 --> 01:54:13,720
Speaker 1: put a mobile home park there. They're never gonna put

1997
01:54:13,720 --> 01:54:16,360
Speaker 1: a strip mall there. It's gonna be wildlife habitat for

1998
01:54:16,400 --> 01:54:19,800
Speaker 1: the foreseeable future. You know, it's like that kind of stuff.

1999
01:54:19,800 --> 01:54:22,519
Speaker 1: We gotta know why, I mean, we got we gotta

2000
01:54:22,560 --> 01:54:24,360
Speaker 1: have the narrative. We gotta have the words. And that's

2001
01:54:24,360 --> 01:54:27,040
Speaker 1: what leaders do. As leaders give people the words, they

2002
01:54:27,080 --> 01:54:30,800
Speaker 1: give people the vision, and and then and then and

2003
01:54:30,800 --> 01:54:35,280
Speaker 1: and they and they they cast they they cast a

2004
01:54:35,360 --> 01:54:38,760
Speaker 1: vision that people go, yeah, I wanna that's and and

2005
01:54:38,800 --> 01:54:40,400
Speaker 1: they get it and they start to talk like it,

2006
01:54:40,440 --> 01:54:42,440
Speaker 1: they start to sound like it. I mean, and that's

2007
01:54:42,480 --> 01:54:45,200
Speaker 1: what's happening in the outdoor space. And there's lots of

2008
01:54:45,200 --> 01:54:47,880
Speaker 1: people doing it, a lot lots of good, good people

2009
01:54:47,880 --> 01:54:52,360
Speaker 1: in outdoor space that are preaching preaching this same thing

2010
01:54:52,400 --> 01:54:58,080
Speaker 1: in a lot of different ways. You know. So excellent. Well,

2011
01:54:59,080 --> 01:55:02,440
Speaker 1: thanks you guys. Conversation. It's good. It's good for me.

2012
01:55:02,640 --> 01:55:05,120
Speaker 1: Really was, yeah, it really was. And and and so

2013
01:55:05,160 --> 01:55:08,760
Speaker 1: I appreciate closing comments, Jonathan Webster, Well, a question to

2014
01:55:09,040 --> 01:55:11,800
Speaker 1: the things that you've said, then, are there places that

2015
01:55:11,880 --> 01:55:14,760
Speaker 1: hunters can go where there's like a statement of values

2016
01:55:14,920 --> 01:55:17,600
Speaker 1: or a place where you can like say, like here

2017
01:55:17,600 --> 01:55:19,560
Speaker 1: are the words, here's the stuff, or is that just

2018
01:55:19,600 --> 01:55:21,480
Speaker 1: like stuff that you accumulate over time as you talk

2019
01:55:21,560 --> 01:55:24,080
Speaker 1: to hunters and you sharing the community. The thing is,

2020
01:55:24,120 --> 01:55:27,040
Speaker 1: there's so much nuance, there's so much difference. There's there's

2021
01:55:27,120 --> 01:55:29,560
Speaker 1: no one place that you can go that's just gonna

2022
01:55:29,720 --> 01:55:32,680
Speaker 1: tell you everything you need to know about hunting. If

2023
01:55:32,760 --> 01:55:37,280
Speaker 1: Clay nwcom made that, Pain made that statement of values,

2024
01:55:37,600 --> 01:55:40,640
Speaker 1: which would be a p true for me. You know,

2025
01:55:40,680 --> 01:55:43,080
Speaker 1: the pheasant hunter in Kansas would read it and be like,

2026
01:55:44,240 --> 01:55:46,280
Speaker 1: I get some of what Clay is saying, but that

2027
01:55:46,320 --> 01:55:50,200
Speaker 1: doesn't fully translate. You know, you could take the biggest

2028
01:55:50,280 --> 01:55:53,280
Speaker 1: leaders in hunting, and I mean, so it's so it's

2029
01:55:53,320 --> 01:55:58,440
Speaker 1: so hard. It's so this continent is so big, so varied,

2030
01:55:58,520 --> 01:56:01,000
Speaker 1: so many games, species, so many tower levels of entry,

2031
01:56:01,040 --> 01:56:04,000
Speaker 1: so many different motivations. It's it's hard to do that.

2032
01:56:06,880 --> 01:56:09,920
Speaker 1: There are people and things that try I try to

2033
01:56:09,960 --> 01:56:13,600
Speaker 1: do that every time I write in Bare Hunting Magazine.

2034
01:56:13,600 --> 01:56:16,880
Speaker 1: I mean it's like you're trying to portray the value system,

2035
01:56:16,920 --> 01:56:20,160
Speaker 1: because the value system is what will make us persist

2036
01:56:20,240 --> 01:56:23,480
Speaker 1: through time, you know, I mean, like the value system

2037
01:56:23,520 --> 01:56:28,480
Speaker 1: of the people that are involved in this activity. Those

2038
01:56:28,560 --> 01:56:33,640
Speaker 1: people will forecast the future. And that's that's one thing

2039
01:56:33,680 --> 01:56:35,160
Speaker 1: that I'm saying that I don't know that a lot

2040
01:56:35,200 --> 01:56:37,640
Speaker 1: of people are saying, is that it's the people. It's

2041
01:56:37,680 --> 01:56:40,920
Speaker 1: the individual hunter that's got to change. Now you're doing

2042
01:56:41,000 --> 01:56:44,240
Speaker 1: something different. Necessarily you do have to do something different,

2043
01:56:44,360 --> 01:56:47,280
Speaker 1: but you've got to become something different. You've got to

2044
01:56:47,320 --> 01:56:50,800
Speaker 1: become more inclusive. You gotta become more sacrificial. You gotta

2045
01:56:50,800 --> 01:56:54,360
Speaker 1: become more heraldic. That's the word that we've been using. Heraldic.

2046
01:56:54,440 --> 01:56:57,760
Speaker 1: We've got to proclaim not and and we've got to

2047
01:56:57,840 --> 01:57:00,960
Speaker 1: become more knowledgeable. We've got to I'm more intelligent. We've

2048
01:57:00,960 --> 01:57:03,800
Speaker 1: got to become more thoughtful. We've got to become more interested.

2049
01:57:03,800 --> 01:57:07,080
Speaker 1: We've got to become more introspective. We've got to understand

2050
01:57:07,080 --> 01:57:10,920
Speaker 1: our motivations. Um and and we have to look deeper

2051
01:57:10,920 --> 01:57:13,640
Speaker 1: into why we even value this. I mean, like, why

2052
01:57:13,760 --> 01:57:16,200
Speaker 1: am I so interested in my kids being able to

2053
01:57:16,200 --> 01:57:18,280
Speaker 1: go up on that mountain and hunt bear in fifty

2054
01:57:18,360 --> 01:57:23,080
Speaker 1: years from now? I guess that valuable. And uh, I

2055
01:57:23,120 --> 01:57:26,320
Speaker 1: think it's valuable. And I think every I think anybody

2056
01:57:26,360 --> 01:57:31,160
Speaker 1: that has tasted the outdoors and tasted hunting in a real, genuine,

2057
01:57:31,160 --> 01:57:34,360
Speaker 1: authentic way, they're like that part of the human experience

2058
01:57:34,920 --> 01:57:40,960
Speaker 1: is valuable. That is worth, that is worth some investment

2059
01:57:41,000 --> 01:57:43,040
Speaker 1: of my life to make sure that this keeps happening,

2060
01:57:43,800 --> 01:57:50,200
Speaker 1: you know, valuable. Um that was part of your closing comment. Yeah, no,

2061
01:57:50,320 --> 01:57:54,960
Speaker 1: I think you that's fine. Tie closing comment. Uh, mentor

2062
01:57:55,320 --> 01:57:59,960
Speaker 1: mentor hunter, that's that's it. I think that there. I mean,

2063
01:58:00,160 --> 01:58:02,200
Speaker 1: obviously you're gonna mentor your kids. That's just part of

2064
01:58:02,200 --> 01:58:06,720
Speaker 1: being a father or a mother if you're uh, if

2065
01:58:06,760 --> 01:58:09,680
Speaker 1: you're into the outdoors, but find somebody that's not your

2066
01:58:09,720 --> 01:58:13,040
Speaker 1: kid and mentor them, because I guarantee you there's people

2067
01:58:13,480 --> 01:58:18,240
Speaker 1: like myself and Jonathan who either are just getting into

2068
01:58:19,280 --> 01:58:23,520
Speaker 1: um hunting as an adult, or we're in it and

2069
01:58:23,560 --> 01:58:26,440
Speaker 1: stepped away or and are having to retool. And so

2070
01:58:26,560 --> 01:58:30,160
Speaker 1: there's interests there. There's people that that want to get involved,

2071
01:58:31,240 --> 01:58:34,120
Speaker 1: but they're just not somebody's kid anymore, and they need

2072
01:58:34,240 --> 01:58:37,320
Speaker 1: somebody to like just bring moment because there's so much

2073
01:58:37,320 --> 01:58:41,160
Speaker 1: about it. It's socially transmitted and pass down like there's

2074
01:58:41,760 --> 01:58:44,480
Speaker 1: it's a cultural thing. It's a it's a tribal thing

2075
01:58:44,600 --> 01:58:48,120
Speaker 1: hunting is, and it's it's regional. It's it's regionally locked

2076
01:58:48,160 --> 01:58:50,640
Speaker 1: in that way. That's to come back to what I

2077
01:58:50,720 --> 01:58:54,080
Speaker 1: was saying, Like moving up here, like the tribal hunting

2078
01:58:54,120 --> 01:58:56,880
Speaker 1: culture of northwest Arkansas is so vastly different than where

2079
01:58:56,880 --> 01:58:59,840
Speaker 1: I grew up. I've had to retool and like gain,

2080
01:59:00,160 --> 01:59:02,960
Speaker 1: learn and do and so like find the folks that

2081
01:59:03,000 --> 01:59:06,800
Speaker 1: are hunting curious around you and you know, Okay and Clay,

2082
01:59:06,840 --> 01:59:10,680
Speaker 1: like you talked about, uh, become something. Become a mentor.

2083
01:59:10,720 --> 01:59:12,880
Speaker 1: Don't just take them out in the woods once like

2084
01:59:12,920 --> 01:59:15,960
Speaker 1: here's here's here's the thirty OT six. Go sitting that stand.

2085
01:59:15,960 --> 01:59:18,320
Speaker 1: The deer is gonna come, uh, hit the corn and

2086
01:59:18,480 --> 01:59:22,800
Speaker 1: pop and you're done. Like, be be more mentoring, like

2087
01:59:23,440 --> 01:59:26,000
Speaker 1: take pride in what you do and understanding enough that

2088
01:59:26,040 --> 01:59:28,720
Speaker 1: you can help educate somebody else. And that's how it'll grow.

2089
01:59:29,360 --> 01:59:34,600
Speaker 1: Yeah for sure, Yeah, so good, well said excellent. Well

2090
01:59:35,400 --> 01:59:39,680
Speaker 1: for us for sure, to keep hunting alive as we

2091
01:59:39,720 --> 01:59:43,640
Speaker 1: know it today and this wild, rugged, and vast continent

2092
01:59:43,680 --> 01:59:46,480
Speaker 1: of North America that we live on, we've got to

2093
01:59:46,560 --> 01:59:49,760
Speaker 1: keep the wild places wild because that's where the bears

2094
01:59:49,800 --> 02:00:06,200
Speaker 1: live right and bec