WEBVTT - Feeling Things About Slamming Doors, Blow Up Dolls & Men Crying

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<v Speaker 1>All right, break it down.

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<v Speaker 2>If you ever have feelings that you just won Amy

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<v Speaker 2>and Cat gotcha Covin locking a brother. Ladies and folks,

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<v Speaker 2>do you just follow Anna spirit where it's all the

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<v Speaker 2>front over real stuff to the chill stuff and the aim.

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<v Speaker 2>But Swayne, sometimes the best thing you can do it

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<v Speaker 2>just stop you feel things. This is Feeling Things with.

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<v Speaker 1>Amy and Kat. Happy Tuesday. Welcome to Feeling Things formerly

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<v Speaker 1>four Things. I'm Amy and I'm Kat and I got

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<v Speaker 1>a face fitness con artist update. I can't wait.

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<v Speaker 3>You were texting me about it and I freaked out,

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<v Speaker 3>this don't tell me tell me on the podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>And you were like, we can't be friends again until

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<v Speaker 1>we record the podcast because this is obviously something I

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<v Speaker 1>would tell you as a friend. But I get your

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<v Speaker 1>idea of wanting it to be organic on the podcast,

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<v Speaker 1>since that's what we talked about last week, and I

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<v Speaker 1>feel like my scams score might change. Well.

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<v Speaker 3>To be honest, I was thinking about it, and I

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<v Speaker 3>think I was being a little bit too kind right

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<v Speaker 3>because I didn't want you to feel like you were

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<v Speaker 3>getting scammed.

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<v Speaker 1>So, okay, we'll get back to today. Last week, we

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<v Speaker 1>talked about two core feelings lonely and hurt. So you

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<v Speaker 1>can go listen to that episode if you want, or

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<v Speaker 1>you can even watch it on YouTube. Yeah, which is

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<v Speaker 1>so exciting. Yeah, we have a YouTube channel. What did

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<v Speaker 1>you say? We have as of today, well, as of

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<v Speaker 1>when we're recording this, we have eighteen subscribers.

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<v Speaker 3>But we started with one and so is it you?

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<v Speaker 3>I guess it was whoever created it? Okay, so Elizabeth,

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<v Speaker 3>and then I made Patrick follow it, and then I

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<v Speaker 3>follow it, and so then I was.

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<v Speaker 1>Like, we have three. Cool, Okay, I've I've started following it.

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<v Speaker 1>We have subscribers. Well, doesn't real what we're real Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I haven't yet had my kids do it on They're like,

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<v Speaker 1>are we on YouTube? Kids? Is that a different thing? Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>cat Crime's in here. We've got nineteen and counting. So

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<v Speaker 1>we just haven't had a YouTube channel for the podcast before.

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<v Speaker 1>So this is very exciting and you'll be able to

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<v Speaker 1>watch us. And we're already episode two upgrading our lighting

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<v Speaker 1>and all the things because we realized it's a little

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<v Speaker 1>dark in here. We've got some shadows, so we're making progress.

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<v Speaker 1>You can also sign up for our newsletter, and I

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<v Speaker 1>know that's something that we've gotten DMS and emails about So,

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<v Speaker 1>do you want to clarify how to get the newsletter?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, and bear with me because we're working on another

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<v Speaker 3>way for you to get it. So, if you're on Instagram,

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<v Speaker 3>you can go to our Instagram page at Feeling Things Podcast,

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<v Speaker 3>click the link tree it'll just say newsletter sign up,

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<v Speaker 3>Boom done. If you don't have Instagram, we're going to

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<v Speaker 3>post that link on our Facebook page that we.

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<v Speaker 1>Will have soon.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, and if you just like can't wait, just email

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<v Speaker 3>us and I'll send you the link directly.

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<v Speaker 1>eCPC. We've also posted it in our stories and we'll

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<v Speaker 1>keep doing that. But again, if you're not on Instagram,

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<v Speaker 1>never mind, you're not seeing the stories. But when you

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<v Speaker 1>do sign up for the email, you do get a treat,

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<v Speaker 1>or the newsletter, you do get a treat. It's not

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<v Speaker 1>just like, hey, sign up, you're going to get our

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<v Speaker 1>Feeling Things Wheel a whole chart, the little flow charts

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<v Speaker 1>you can better understand your feelings. I'm pretty obsessed with it,

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<v Speaker 1>so shut out Kat for putting that together. Lonely and

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<v Speaker 1>hurt those were our feelings last week and today we're

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<v Speaker 1>touching on sad and angry. Now, if you remember We

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<v Speaker 1>left a little teaser at the end of last week's

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<v Speaker 1>episode because we were supposed to be talking about fear

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<v Speaker 1>and I was going to touch on my current relationship

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<v Speaker 1>my boyfriend and some fear that I had around that.

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<v Speaker 1>But that story is not just my story. So I

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<v Speaker 1>am holding off for a second because I talked to

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<v Speaker 1>him about it, and we're just gonna press pause. There's

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<v Speaker 1>obviously we have kids, and there are just some things

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<v Speaker 1>that I'm ready to share, but it's we need a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit of time, and I think it's important for

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<v Speaker 1>the fear part, very right, So it's coming.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, I think that's sad story is a really good

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<v Speaker 3>story to use for that.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think waiting is the best. Waiting is the best.

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<v Speaker 1>So we've we've called an audible and flipped the feelings

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<v Speaker 1>that we're going to go over. But before we get

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<v Speaker 1>to sad and angry, we have our feeling of the day,

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<v Speaker 1>feeling of the day, which is energized. Now, I wanted

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<v Speaker 1>my feeling of the day to be sore. And then

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<v Speaker 1>Cat's like, that's not a feeling and I'm like, tell

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<v Speaker 1>that to my hamstrings. It looks like a bodily sensation.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a physical feeling.

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<v Speaker 3>I know, I feel very emotionally sore. You could be

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<v Speaker 3>emotionally sore.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I'm sore from my sprints that I've been doing.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm still doing my sprints. I told you about that,

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<v Speaker 1>like as a friend, but now on the podcast. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>just so that y'all know, we're obviously not trainers, and

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<v Speaker 1>this isn't a workout podcast, so I can't tell you

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<v Speaker 1>what to do. But I've just been listening to a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of things with my perimenopausal body. I'm trying to

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<v Speaker 1>learn how I can feel it better and move it

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<v Speaker 1>better to help some of my hormones and my symptoms,

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<v Speaker 1>because otherwise I'm going to punch a hole in the wall.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, maybe are you having some Oh I was.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure to talk about that, I know, but I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know that it's true any It's more like feels ragey,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's I would call it more of it. Is

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<v Speaker 1>it a sensation like a sore other than the actual

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<v Speaker 1>because nobody's making me rage. My hormones are creating that

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<v Speaker 1>potentially creating that. Now, sprints take that. That's just part

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<v Speaker 1>of my regimen. Okay, Like it's one. It's like we're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna look at it as like this is a recipe,

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<v Speaker 1>and how I'm eating and how I'm working out and

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<v Speaker 1>how I'm resting and all plays role. All of that

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<v Speaker 1>is going to play a role. So I've been sprinting

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<v Speaker 1>for just thirty seconds, but how many are you doing?

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<v Speaker 1>One thirty second sprint in the movie five? That's it?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you like do thirty seconds and rest for a

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<v Speaker 1>minute than thirty seconds? What do you do? Yeah? You

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<v Speaker 1>rest for a minute and a half, a minute and

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<v Speaker 1>a half to two. Yeah. And I'm also taking this

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<v Speaker 1>from a doctor that I heard, so I that's why

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<v Speaker 1>I'm hesitant to say exactly because I don't know. Maybe

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<v Speaker 1>it's not something you should go do. I don't even

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<v Speaker 1>know really how my body is reacting to yet again,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sore, but I do feel energized from it, and

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<v Speaker 1>I feel strong, Okay. I mean I had the treadmill

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<v Speaker 1>at ten point oh, which is fast fad, and now

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<v Speaker 1>at first I did nine point zero and I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>I think I can go to ten point oh. That's

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<v Speaker 1>probably pushing it, which is why I'm sore. You also

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<v Speaker 1>were a runner was twenty five years ago. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>so wear. I don't like running. And that's the point.

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<v Speaker 1>I think what I'm trying to do is push myself

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<v Speaker 1>cardiovascularly or shock my system to where also my body's like, oh, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>we want to build this up. Let's build some endurance,

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<v Speaker 1>let's build strength, and then hopefully that helps all the

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<v Speaker 1>other things in my body when it starts to freak

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<v Speaker 1>out from hormones, it's like, hey, we got this. We're

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<v Speaker 1>not scared of a little shock to the system. We

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<v Speaker 1>can handle this. You don't have to punch a hole

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<v Speaker 1>in the wall. We've got you well.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's a more gentle shock to your system than

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of things that I think people might think

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<v Speaker 3>to do five sprints like you.

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<v Speaker 1>Can five thirty seconds past, but it doesn't. Your sprint

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't have to be ten. No, it doesn't. I just

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<v Speaker 1>probably over yours myself. But that's one of the things

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<v Speaker 1>that I'm doing for myself, including well, one more thing

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<v Speaker 1>I'll say in part of that, which I think is

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<v Speaker 1>the energy piece too, is as I'm starting to have

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<v Speaker 1>protein coffee, which isn't anything crazy. I'm just putting two

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<v Speaker 1>tablespoons of way protein in my coffee. I'm still having

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<v Speaker 1>food around it, but my face is drink coffee plain. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>my face is like, is it unflavored? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, I'm thinking you're putting like chocolate protein powders. Well

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<v Speaker 3>that could be yummy, you think, yeah, it'd be thick, right.

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<v Speaker 1>No, you you mix it up, it'd be real good.

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<v Speaker 1>But this is just a way I'm lacking in protein. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>And I've had multiple doctors tell me, especially being a

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<v Speaker 1>woman in my forties, that away protein is what I need.

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<v Speaker 1>And I always avoided way because I was trying to

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<v Speaker 1>avoid dairy. But it's not the same thing. And also

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<v Speaker 1>I don't need to avoid dairy. It was just a

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<v Speaker 1>trend at some point that I took part in. But

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<v Speaker 1>I've when you're growing, I'm growing and I don't need

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<v Speaker 1>to be scared of certain things. But now it's just

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<v Speaker 1>like a oh, this is a little way for me

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<v Speaker 1>to get some extra protein. But I do feel more

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<v Speaker 1>energized from it. I think because I'm getting more of

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<v Speaker 1>what my body needs, you're getting more energy, which is nutriance.

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<v Speaker 1>It is, and I think I'd be proud of me

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<v Speaker 1>because I also did my homework. Not that you assigned

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<v Speaker 1>this to me, but I felt like when I was

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<v Speaker 1>looking it up and researching it, I'm like, cow be proud.

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<v Speaker 1>I chose our feeling of the day, which is energized,

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<v Speaker 1>and I found the gift and the impairment.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh so you gave yourself a homework assignment and you

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<v Speaker 3>did it, but I felt like it was from you, Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Subconsciously I was like, you better find this.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, cat's going to be proud because you

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<v Speaker 1>just want to make you proud. Okay. So the gift

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<v Speaker 1>of being energized, when you acknowledge it, it's a spark.

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<v Speaker 1>It's your body and mind saying let's go. When you

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<v Speaker 1>lean into it, you build momentum, you take inspired action,

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<v Speaker 1>you create, you move, you speak up and follow through.

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<v Speaker 1>Most of the time, right, it's often a window of motivation.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's like, feeling energized is the door and take

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<v Speaker 1>advantage window, and it's open, so you got to go

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<v Speaker 1>in or you can stay on the other side. But

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<v Speaker 1>then that'll lead you to the impairment, which I'll tell

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<v Speaker 1>you about, and it's not good. When you ride that wave,

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<v Speaker 1>you surprise yourself with what you're capable of. You'll go

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<v Speaker 1>from a nine point zero to a ten point Oh

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<v Speaker 1>oh my gosh, just like that. Now, if you suppress

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<v Speaker 1>an energized window of opportunity, this is the impairment. If

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<v Speaker 1>you don't honor that energy, it can turn inward into restlessness, agitation,

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<v Speaker 1>or even anxiety. That buzzing feeling needs somewhere to go,

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<v Speaker 1>And if you silence it for too long, you might

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<v Speaker 1>start feeling stuck or numb, like you're dragging through life

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<v Speaker 1>with the brakes on.

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<v Speaker 3>Oo.

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<v Speaker 1>So don't don't miss out. If you fill a window, go, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>take advantage, go for it. Yeah. So, I don't know if.

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<v Speaker 3>You've mentioned this when I don't remember when we were

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<v Speaker 3>talking about what we're going to do fear because the

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<v Speaker 3>first time we recorded, we talked about this.

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<v Speaker 1>Last week we had to delete the episode and start over.

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<v Speaker 1>We'd had shared that I had hurt her. That's not

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<v Speaker 1>the way we're gonna put it. You felt hurt by me? No, okay, sorry,

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<v Speaker 1>because hurt because of something I was saying. You felt hurt.

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<v Speaker 3>Wait, let me give you a framework for this, because

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<v Speaker 3>I think this can be helpful. It's true when blank happened,

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<v Speaker 3>I felt hurt. So when you said this is not

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<v Speaker 3>a therapy podcast, I felt hurt. So here's the event

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<v Speaker 3>and then I'm taking responsibility for the feeling.

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<v Speaker 1>I love this framework because this actually is like a

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<v Speaker 1>script you can use for your relationship. And I obviously

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<v Speaker 1>know the script, but I have a hard time even

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<v Speaker 1>acting it out because it can be a game changer

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<v Speaker 1>in your marriage, your your partnership, a friendship, your relationship

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<v Speaker 1>with your kids, because oh my gosh, as parents, if

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<v Speaker 1>we could teach our kids to communicate this way and

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<v Speaker 1>they would just grow up knowing that, yeah, yeah, they

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<v Speaker 1>would enter into all these healthy relationships in their twenties.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you know the script? Do want me to say it? Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I want you to give the thing again because you

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<v Speaker 1>said so, just gave it the frame. I love therapy words.

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<v Speaker 1>I love that this is a therapy podcast. I love it.

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<v Speaker 1>I love it because the framework is so good and

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<v Speaker 1>that way people can like have the script, so it's like,

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<v Speaker 1>obviously I need you to do it because I even

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<v Speaker 1>struggle with it. But you know, with me with scripts,

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<v Speaker 1>because I had scripts with some stuff going on with

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<v Speaker 1>my kids, like their therapists would give me scripts, and

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<v Speaker 1>I would always be so scared I was going to

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<v Speaker 1>mess it up. Like sometimes I would be in the

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<v Speaker 1>middle of a whole thing with them and I my

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<v Speaker 1>son in particular, and I'd be like, one second, I

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<v Speaker 1>will be right back, and I would go to my

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<v Speaker 1>bedroom and I would look up at the email and

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<v Speaker 1>look at the script that therapists gave me, and I'd

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<v Speaker 1>write it down. I put it in my back pocket

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<v Speaker 1>because in the moment, I didn't want to mess it up,

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<v Speaker 1>because it's like the slight alteration of how you say

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<v Speaker 1>it changes everything.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and I with any of this stuff, the more

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<v Speaker 3>you use it it will be so where you don't

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<v Speaker 3>have to like read something.

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<v Speaker 1>I've used these a lot, and I still forget themselves.

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<v Speaker 3>So this one, and there's probably a lot of versions

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<v Speaker 3>of this that are basically the same. When you blank

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<v Speaker 3>or when blank happened? Blank is the event when blank,

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<v Speaker 3>I felt blank, what it brought up for me is blank.

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<v Speaker 3>Or you can say the judgment I had was blank.

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<v Speaker 3>And then if you want to take it a step farther,

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<v Speaker 3>you can say what I need from you is blank.

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<v Speaker 3>And then if you're really trying to have some intentional

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<v Speaker 3>dialogue you might have that person you might say, at

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<v Speaker 3>the end, can you tell me what you heard me say?

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<v Speaker 3>So then they'll repeat it and if they got it wrong,

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<v Speaker 3>then I can make okay, let me try again until

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<v Speaker 3>you actually hear what I'm saying. So a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>times we're listening and we're hearing judgments too, so we're

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<v Speaker 3>not actually hearing the actual words. So when you said

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<v Speaker 3>this was not a therapy podcast, I felt hurt. The

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<v Speaker 3>story I made up was that you you thought I

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<v Speaker 3>was stupid or didn't want me to talk too.

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<v Speaker 1>Much, or I judgment I didn't value you.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, yeah, And then what I need from you is

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<v Speaker 3>a conversation about kind of the rules we have on

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<v Speaker 3>this podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>And I need you to change it to a therapy one.

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<v Speaker 1>I just couldn't say that, but I did. I woke

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<v Speaker 1>up with that epiphany of like it is okay, Kat

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<v Speaker 1>is a therapist, and we are rolling with this niche

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<v Speaker 1>and our nichees feelings and feelings.

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<v Speaker 3>Are and now look how energized you are about it

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<v Speaker 3>on the therapy podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>Here we are okay. So we had a delete the

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<v Speaker 1>first episode because I was saying over and over this

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<v Speaker 1>is not a therapy podcast. We had to delete it.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess where you were. Where you were going with

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<v Speaker 1>this is that we also had to delete the second

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<v Speaker 1>episode but not because if something anybody said or did

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<v Speaker 1>that hurt anybody or made anybody actually really good uncomfortable.

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<v Speaker 1>It was really good. It was really good, and I

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<v Speaker 1>honestly thought we could salvage it. But the yard people came.

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<v Speaker 1>So I do have a company that comes to mow

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<v Speaker 1>my front and backyard, and we're kind of at a

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<v Speaker 1>side of the house where you can hear things front yard, backyard,

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<v Speaker 1>and sideyard. So there was a lot of mowing happening,

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<v Speaker 1>and we were recording on a day that we don't

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<v Speaker 1>normally record because I had asked them, please do not

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<v Speaker 1>come on this day because this is our recording day.

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<v Speaker 1>Will we had to record on a different day, and

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<v Speaker 1>I forgot to tell them, So then all of a sudden,

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<v Speaker 1>it's like bo and Cat's not really hearing it. I

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<v Speaker 1>hear it the whole time. I'm thinking, but you weren't

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<v Speaker 1>bothered by it, or you were like, oh, it's fine,

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<v Speaker 1>this is not a thing, or maybe it won't pick

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<v Speaker 1>up because that's what happens at your office every day.

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<v Speaker 1>So one I was like, this is really good. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't want to ruin this.

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<v Speaker 3>And I thought maybe since you weren't saying anything, it

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<v Speaker 3>won't pick up. But also I am so used to

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<v Speaker 3>a weed whacker being outside of the door of my office,

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<v Speaker 3>because my office is the front of the house that

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<v Speaker 3>our office is in, like my actual offices. And they'll

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<v Speaker 3>come and I'll be just sitting there with a client

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<v Speaker 3>and I'll be can you.

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<v Speaker 1>Say it a little louder? And I'll.

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<v Speaker 3>Scream mean, and I'm like, this is the most un

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<v Speaker 3>therapeutic room there is. However, I've tried to reframe it

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<v Speaker 3>as it's good exposure therapy. In some way, I don't

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<v Speaker 3>like it, but I'm like, oh, I can roll with this,

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<v Speaker 3>like who cares, I can like stay in tune with you.

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<v Speaker 1>But I thought you thought that too, because you'd say

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<v Speaker 1>a thing. Yeah No, I was thinking the whole time

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<v Speaker 1>this episode is going in the trash but maybe not,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe not, maybe not, And then afterwards I was like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's People would be like, fine, I can't. There's like

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<v Speaker 1>you say it a little hour is a huge lawnmower,

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm picturing like being one of Cat's clients and

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<v Speaker 1>being like if I was doing brain spotting with you

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<v Speaker 1>or something and there was a lawnmower, I'd be like,

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<v Speaker 1>can I get a discount.

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<v Speaker 3>Literally, and I would say, yes, I'm sorry, Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 3>have Actually good for you for asking want people to

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<v Speaker 3>come at an appropriate time or a time that would work,

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<v Speaker 3>because I've asked so many times for our property manager

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<v Speaker 3>to let me know when they're coming. Not sure, sure,

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<v Speaker 3>of course, yes, that makes sense. Guess how many times

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<v Speaker 3>they have actually done that?

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<v Speaker 1>Zero? Zero times. Yeah, so there's no follow through. That's unfortunate.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's our that's our Episode two got deleted as well. Story.

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<v Speaker 1>So we're on a roll here. I hope from here

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<v Speaker 1>on now, everything we record is usable because we're treating

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<v Speaker 1>the show like it's live. We're doing it live. We're

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<v Speaker 1>doing it live, which is why I just rolled with it,

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<v Speaker 1>I know, and I didn't want to. Like, we did

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<v Speaker 1>have momentum and we were telling good stories, which actually, now,

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<v Speaker 1>don't you think about it? Isn't it so glad? The

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<v Speaker 1>yard people coming? This just hit me because we talked

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<v Speaker 1>about the boyfriend stuff and that all after I talk

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<v Speaker 1>to him. I need to wait. Also, I have to

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<v Speaker 1>point out you, did you notice what you just said?

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<v Speaker 1>Boyfriend said, isn't it so glad? And we talked last week?

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<v Speaker 3>We talked last week on the episode that we can't

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<v Speaker 3>use about Glad, and you talked about I'm going to

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<v Speaker 3>use that word more.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well now I already use it a lot, but

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<v Speaker 1>we're not talking about Glad today because Glad is with

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<v Speaker 1>Fear and that will be when the boyfriend conversation happened.

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<v Speaker 1>That is crazy, but it worked out.

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<v Speaker 3>But okay, so there's that I want to hear about

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<v Speaker 3>what you're going to text me about the con artist.

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<v Speaker 1>So last week Kat gave me a little face fitness checklist.

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<v Speaker 1>I had to answer yes or no to some questions

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<v Speaker 1>that she had and ultimately you determined that it wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>a scam or whatever. Well, then this is the email

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<v Speaker 1>that I got between now and then, which also, this

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<v Speaker 1>didn't make it into the trash second episode, so this

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<v Speaker 1>is meant to happen, meant to be. So this is

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<v Speaker 1>a perfect example of like when things go wrong, eventually

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<v Speaker 1>you'll be like, oh, what does this make possible? Because

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<v Speaker 1>it makes possible that now we get to update this

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<v Speaker 1>closer to the face fitness scam situation. And I get

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<v Speaker 1>an email and the subject is deadline. Your gift expires

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<v Speaker 1>tonight all caps. And then she said, hey, Amy, this

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<v Speaker 1>is the closest thing there is to working one on

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<v Speaker 1>one with me. There's going to be a problem, Maria

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<v Speaker 1>class every month if you sign up for this once

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<v Speaker 1>in a lifetime opportunity to be a monthly it says

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<v Speaker 1>once in a lifetime, once in a lifetime opportunity for

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<v Speaker 1>like I have to be a monthly subscriber. She said,

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<v Speaker 1>this is invaluable. This really takes your biggest insecurities and

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<v Speaker 1>eliminates them one at a time. When you join today,

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<v Speaker 1>you'll get a fifty three minute advanced facelifting routine. In

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<v Speaker 1>your members area, you'll also find a fourteen minute miracle routine.

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<v Speaker 1>It's actually a bit Z Day routine, but members started

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<v Speaker 1>calling it a miracle routine, so that's stuck. There's another

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<v Speaker 1>one called the Holy Grail routine. I mean you can

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<v Speaker 1>tell I'm already sold where I'm like the Holy Grail? Like,

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<v Speaker 1>how are you me at miracle? I like, where do

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<v Speaker 1>the fifty three minute one? I'm not interested in again

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<v Speaker 1>because time. Yeah, some of the stuff is so crazy

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<v Speaker 1>time wise, but this is part of her gift that

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<v Speaker 1>she's in Bold. The women in the group have been

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<v Speaker 1>going crazy about it.

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<v Speaker 3>M hm.

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<v Speaker 1>Then this is where I was like oh Kat with

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<v Speaker 1>her scam questions, because this I would have to admit to,

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<v Speaker 1>she says. The first month is on me. Here she

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<v Speaker 1>is with like the gift, She goes, that's right, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>giving you a free month as a gift, and then

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<v Speaker 1>she attached the link. So it's a thirty day free trial.

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<v Speaker 1>Another special link. It'll be ninety nine dollars a month,

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<v Speaker 1>but today zero dollars for the first month, and then

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<v Speaker 1>after the free trial you can pay until you choose

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<v Speaker 1>to camp. So here's what I did. You want to know.

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<v Speaker 3>I was going to say, you did you sign up?

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<v Speaker 3>I signed up because you think you're going to cancel it, and.

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<v Speaker 1>I sent myself an email, don't forget you signed up

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<v Speaker 1>for this. Make sure to cancel it within thirty days

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<v Speaker 1>from now. So I'm gonna I'm not going to pay

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<v Speaker 1>for this, but you bet I got the Holy Grail

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<v Speaker 1>routine and I got the miracle, and so I have everything.

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<v Speaker 1>I haven't done it yet, but once I do it,

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<v Speaker 1>I will let you know if it's worth it. And

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<v Speaker 1>then if I become a monthly member. But I've I've

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<v Speaker 1>emailed myself a reminder to cancel. Okay, can you also

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<v Speaker 1>email me that because you want to check in. But

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, this is where I'm like, I get that

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<v Speaker 1>you probably think all of these keywords are very scammy,

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<v Speaker 1>and they are. I know this now because you're aware.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm aware. So can you get scammed if you're aware?

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<v Speaker 1>That is an interesting question for you just to knit about.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm choosing to be scammed, right, I am choosing to

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<v Speaker 1>give zero dollars for thirty days to test this stuff out,

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<v Speaker 1>and then I will let y'all know. And you know what,

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<v Speaker 1>then I'm like, you're scamming the scammer. Scamming the scammer,

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<v Speaker 1>because I'm going to take this routine and I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to put my own spin on it, and then I'm

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<v Speaker 1>just going to show y'all how to do it. For

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<v Speaker 1>forget instaram except for I don't know everything that she knows.

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<v Speaker 1>I know, I'm just kidding. I'm not going to do that.

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<v Speaker 1>I do appreciate her work and she's clearly put a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of time into this, But also is what she's

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<v Speaker 1>saying legit or she' like cool? I gotta go film

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<v Speaker 1>a fifty three minute video of basically nothing. I'm just

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<v Speaker 1>misoging certain parts acting like I know what I'm talking about,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm charging an arm and a leg for it, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>is that what she's doing if she's a scammer? There

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<v Speaker 1>are so many people that do that though, but I

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<v Speaker 1>don't understand that, So why would they do that to me?

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<v Speaker 1>Because there are people like you? Then I'm like, I'll

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<v Speaker 1>sign up.

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<v Speaker 3>But that's so funny because that email goes like I

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<v Speaker 3>was laughing as you started reading it, because it starts

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<v Speaker 3>already like I'm thinking about the check cliss.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's like boom boom, boom boom invaluable act. Now

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<v Speaker 1>nothing else is as good as this for me. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>this is the closest thing you'll get to one on

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<v Speaker 1>one and again I am everything. And again, we don't

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<v Speaker 1>even know her credentials. No, I don't even know where

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<v Speaker 1>she is in the world. We don't know if she's

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<v Speaker 1>a robot. Right, So she does have great skin, like

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<v Speaker 1>people accuse her of having I see her on a

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<v Speaker 1>video though her having good skin.

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<v Speaker 3>Come on, okay, I will say people, if you think

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<v Speaker 3>our skin is good, it's because you're actually seeing real skin.

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<v Speaker 1>We didn't edit it, but you could do that, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>because I guess with certain lighting. Yes, she can look better,

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<v Speaker 1>but she doesn't. She'll get what I'm saying is people

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<v Speaker 1>accused her of botox. But then she'll get close up

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<v Speaker 1>in the camera and she'll show her forehead moving, so

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<v Speaker 1>she says, I don't have botox. Okay, whatever, moving on,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm done. What are our feelings? We're gonna start with

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<v Speaker 1>sad like you like, I'm sorry to feel sad now

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<v Speaker 1>because you are feeling of the day. Well, last thing

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<v Speaker 1>I'll say, No, No, feeling of the day is energized. These

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<v Speaker 1>are our core feelings. If this thing brings you joy

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<v Speaker 1>and you are aware of it, I don't.

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<v Speaker 3>Care if you do it. It's now just kind of

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<v Speaker 3>silly and funny. But if she does end up scamming

0:23:12.920 --> 0:23:15.280
<v Speaker 3>you and you lose thousands of dollars, you might have

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<v Speaker 3>sense you might forget to cancel the subscription.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I emailed myself and I an e duh, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't forget to do anything like that. What are

0:23:28.480 --> 0:23:31.960
<v Speaker 1>you talking about? I probably have, Like I probably have

0:23:32.080 --> 0:23:35.040
<v Speaker 1>thousands of emails to myself and thousands of screenshots of

0:23:35.119 --> 0:23:39.480
<v Speaker 1>things that I will remember quote unquote to go do it,

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<v Speaker 1>and I don't. All right, So it's yeah, So sad.

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<v Speaker 3>Sad, let's talk about sad because it would be sad

0:23:45.600 --> 0:23:49.359
<v Speaker 3>if you missed that email reminder. Okay, So when we

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<v Speaker 3>went through these last time, we talked about how they

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<v Speaker 3>all have a core need which can also be expanded

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<v Speaker 3>to what we're saying. And then if you feel sadness,

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<v Speaker 3>you're going to end up getting a gift in that

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<v Speaker 3>even though it doesn't feel good in the moment. And

0:24:05.359 --> 0:24:09.000
<v Speaker 3>if you repress or ignore sadness, there's an impairment that's

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<v Speaker 3>with every feeling.

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<v Speaker 1>So we're going to talk about those. Are you ready.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm ready. Okay, I sound sad a lot. Okay, well

0:24:15.160 --> 0:24:15.800
<v Speaker 1>we'll talk about that.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, okay, Well we all have and and I'm glad

0:24:19.320 --> 0:24:21.879
<v Speaker 3>you said that because a lot of people want to,

0:24:22.320 --> 0:24:24.960
<v Speaker 3>you know, send a message, whether it's to themselves or

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<v Speaker 3>the world, that I don't get sad or I don't

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<v Speaker 3>get down, or I don't feel that feeling. And that's

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<v Speaker 3>not really when you get into this stuff a flex

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<v Speaker 3>because if you aren't feeling sadness, you're not getting one

0:24:36.520 --> 0:24:39.760
<v Speaker 3>of these gifts. That's imperative to live I think, a

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<v Speaker 3>full life. So the need, the core need, would be

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<v Speaker 3>to grieve something or to be comforted, to be seen

0:24:49.080 --> 0:24:53.000
<v Speaker 3>to be soothed, something like any and supported. Yeah, anything

0:24:53.119 --> 0:24:56.800
<v Speaker 3>like that, which support to acknowledge our need for support

0:24:56.880 --> 0:25:00.600
<v Speaker 3>and comfort is also acknowledging our need for other people so.

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<v Speaker 1>Out, which you said something in last week's couch Talks

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<v Speaker 1>that feels in alignment with that. Even though we were

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<v Speaker 1>talking about sharing or over sharing on a first date,

0:25:11.960 --> 0:25:14.560
<v Speaker 1>but you started off, and I think you even made

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<v Speaker 1>this a social clip, So that's probably why it's in

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<v Speaker 1>my mind, just because I watched it over and over

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<v Speaker 1>and over, just a me shout out Feeling Things podcast

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<v Speaker 1>on Instagram. But I did watch the clip. I think

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<v Speaker 1>probably I was posting it my stories, and you know,

0:25:27.600 --> 0:25:29.720
<v Speaker 1>it replays while you're typing, and I just kept hearing

0:25:29.760 --> 0:25:32.280
<v Speaker 1>your voice over and over. But you said, I'm a

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<v Speaker 1>big fan of allowing people to know how to be

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<v Speaker 1>there for you or to know how to show up

0:25:39.920 --> 0:25:44.040
<v Speaker 1>and support you, and so sharing things is important to

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<v Speaker 1>an extent. I mean, maybe not on a first date.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't have to let everybody in. But sometimes as

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<v Speaker 1>friends we don't want to burden people or share too much.

0:25:52.200 --> 0:25:53.800
<v Speaker 1>It's like, oh, they have a lot going on. But

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<v Speaker 1>then you rob them of the opportunity of being there

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<v Speaker 1>for you.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and you don't get as in the other person,

0:26:01.400 --> 0:26:02.840
<v Speaker 3>Or I could say this for myself, like I don't

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<v Speaker 3>get to decide what's a burden for other people, So

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<v Speaker 3>I don't get to decide what's.

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<v Speaker 1>A burden for my friends. You get to decide that.

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<v Speaker 3>But if I never share stuff with you, then I'm

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<v Speaker 3>assuming that it is when it might not even be

0:26:17.840 --> 0:26:19.959
<v Speaker 3>a burden. It would be a gift to you as

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<v Speaker 3>a friend. Yeah, So that would be kind of around

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<v Speaker 3>what the need would be.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, if you don't feel sad and you.

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<v Speaker 3>Push it away and you're unaware of it, what's going

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<v Speaker 3>to happen is you're going to look over time, You're

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<v Speaker 3>going to have this like self pity. Whether you share

0:26:32.920 --> 0:26:34.600
<v Speaker 3>that with people or not, you're gonna that's going to

0:26:34.640 --> 0:26:37.120
<v Speaker 3>be there, and you end up showing up in this

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<v Speaker 3>more victimy mindset where things are being done to you

0:26:41.240 --> 0:26:45.440
<v Speaker 3>and you have no control at all, And we don't

0:26:45.480 --> 0:26:47.320
<v Speaker 3>have control of everything, but there are things that we

0:26:47.359 --> 0:26:50.720
<v Speaker 3>do have power over and we don't really we don't

0:26:50.720 --> 0:26:53.920
<v Speaker 3>want to get there. If you are aware of your sadness,

0:26:54.600 --> 0:26:59.200
<v Speaker 3>while that and I stress, while feeling. The sadness probably

0:26:59.240 --> 0:27:02.960
<v Speaker 3>is not going to be a fun experience or a

0:27:03.000 --> 0:27:06.200
<v Speaker 3>comfortable experience. What it helps you have and what helps

0:27:06.200 --> 0:27:10.240
<v Speaker 3>you breed is gratitude, because sadness is saying I lost

0:27:10.280 --> 0:27:13.000
<v Speaker 3>something that was really important to me, and so we

0:27:13.040 --> 0:27:16.719
<v Speaker 3>get to acknowledge what was really important to us versus

0:27:16.960 --> 0:27:19.600
<v Speaker 3>I'm not sad, it's fine, whatever, I didn't care. Like,

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<v Speaker 3>wait a second, what is important to you deserves to

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<v Speaker 3>be acknowledged, that's okay. So that shows up in a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of ways. I think when we get rejected. There's

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<v Speaker 3>some things that I think are easier to be sad

0:27:33.760 --> 0:27:36.560
<v Speaker 3>about being rejected, but there's others depending on who you

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<v Speaker 3>are where you're like, your pride takes over and you're like, oh,

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<v Speaker 3>no big deal. And a lot of times, like jobs,

0:27:42.320 --> 0:27:46.439
<v Speaker 3>or if you put yourself up for something like a

0:27:46.680 --> 0:27:50.080
<v Speaker 3>promotion or even an award or something like that, you

0:27:50.119 --> 0:27:53.959
<v Speaker 3>put yourself out there and starting a podcast, like if

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<v Speaker 3>we didn't, if nobody listened to it, now, I would

0:27:56.880 --> 0:27:59.800
<v Speaker 3>feel sad because this was important to us and it

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<v Speaker 3>was something that we put a lot of time in

0:28:03.040 --> 0:28:04.840
<v Speaker 3>and a lot of people don't want.

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<v Speaker 1>To say I was let down sad and yeah, set

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<v Speaker 1>by that I got passed over for something and you're

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<v Speaker 1>talking about like a work related thing, and I immediately

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<v Speaker 1>took on the oh, well it wasn't really that big

0:28:17.240 --> 0:28:20.240
<v Speaker 1>of a deal. But I know that I was stuffing

0:28:20.280 --> 0:28:22.840
<v Speaker 1>it down and I think I probably get have healed

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<v Speaker 1>from it a lot faster if I just was like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I really wanted that that that was hard to hear,

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<v Speaker 1>and like I'm going to be okay, and I want

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<v Speaker 1>to give myself space before I jump in with the well,

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<v Speaker 1>what does this now make possible? Yeah? My daughter told

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<v Speaker 1>me I asked that question too quickly. Well, I don't,

0:28:42.200 --> 0:28:45.360
<v Speaker 1>said tell you. Yeah, Adlin too, my niece. They both

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<v Speaker 1>two younger people. They're like, because I want to immediately

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<v Speaker 1>come in. I think as parents or aunts or friends,

0:28:51.480 --> 0:28:52.920
<v Speaker 1>we may want to come in and try to fix

0:28:52.960 --> 0:28:55.680
<v Speaker 1>something if someone is feeling sad, not fix it, but

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<v Speaker 1>just help them feel better. And what does this make possible?

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<v Speaker 1>Is a great question you get to ask ask yourself,

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<v Speaker 1>but don't ask it too quickly. Maybe yeah, because then

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<v Speaker 1>you're not allowing to sit in the sadness.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, if you remember when shout out Donald Miller when

0:29:14.200 --> 0:29:16.600
<v Speaker 3>we had that interview a couple of years ago with him.

0:29:16.800 --> 0:29:19.080
<v Speaker 3>The reason he gave us those questions is we asked

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<v Speaker 3>him he was talking about his book Here on a Mission,

0:29:22.800 --> 0:29:27.040
<v Speaker 3>great book, great book, and it was speaking of victims. Well, yeah,

0:29:27.040 --> 0:29:29.080
<v Speaker 3>so it's all about how to be the hero in

0:29:29.080 --> 0:29:31.520
<v Speaker 3>your own story. And we were asking him, well, when

0:29:31.560 --> 0:29:35.960
<v Speaker 3>something happens in your life that you are really down about,

0:29:36.160 --> 0:29:38.360
<v Speaker 3>what do you do to not stay in that moment?

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<v Speaker 3>And those are the questions he gave us, And so

0:29:41.480 --> 0:29:45.880
<v Speaker 3>this is perfect. Those questions are perfect to bring into

0:29:45.960 --> 0:29:49.440
<v Speaker 3>your sadness. We have to acknowledge that there's sadness there,

0:29:49.760 --> 0:29:52.320
<v Speaker 3>and then we get to ask the question first. Then

0:29:52.400 --> 0:29:54.960
<v Speaker 3>just ask the question. Then we're missing part of that. Yes,

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<v Speaker 3>and what does this make possible?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm glad you clarified that, But I think as up

0:29:58.520 --> 0:30:00.840
<v Speaker 1>as a mom, So I'm sharing this to other parents.

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<v Speaker 1>We may swoop in right away as our teen is

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<v Speaker 1>processing and we're like, okay, well what does this now

0:30:08.120 --> 0:30:10.800
<v Speaker 1>make possible? And then they just look at you like okay, cool,

0:30:10.840 --> 0:30:12.800
<v Speaker 1>I love you and your fancy questions that are supposed

0:30:12.800 --> 0:30:14.760
<v Speaker 1>to help me, but like, let me just be. And

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<v Speaker 1>so that's just my encouragement on that.

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<v Speaker 3>Would part of that for you be it's hard for

0:30:20.320 --> 0:30:23.200
<v Speaker 3>you to see your kids when they're Yeah, I.

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<v Speaker 1>Want her to be sad, but this is a good

0:30:25.920 --> 0:30:30.120
<v Speaker 1>reminder that sadness is good. Like we want sadness, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>because then if we experience the sadness, we can experience gratitude.

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<v Speaker 1>And I have no idea if the doorbell that just

0:30:37.280 --> 0:30:41.640
<v Speaker 1>rain is popping up on the podcast here, but we

0:30:41.760 --> 0:30:44.880
<v Speaker 1>have been putting a note on my front door that

0:30:44.920 --> 0:30:48.640
<v Speaker 1>says do not ring the doorbell or knock because we're recording.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think we put recording because that sounds weird,

0:30:52.440 --> 0:30:54.240
<v Speaker 1>but I think we just say we should put baby

0:30:54.240 --> 0:30:55.959
<v Speaker 1>sleeping shuck.

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<v Speaker 3>I do have a sign my door in my office

0:31:01.360 --> 0:31:03.720
<v Speaker 3>that says, do not knock on this door, but I

0:31:03.720 --> 0:31:06.320
<v Speaker 3>guess I should say, do not use your.

0:31:06.640 --> 0:31:08.240
<v Speaker 1>What is it called a wind blower.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but it's not a weed whacker because it's on

0:31:12.760 --> 0:31:13.680
<v Speaker 3>the it's blowing leaves.

0:31:13.960 --> 0:31:18.240
<v Speaker 1>A leaf blower. Yeah, don't be sad, be kind, blow

0:31:18.320 --> 0:31:23.280
<v Speaker 1>leaves elsewhere. So who knows if that even shut up,

0:31:23.280 --> 0:31:26.200
<v Speaker 1>But it's an example for rolling with it. Things happen.

0:31:26.280 --> 0:31:29.520
<v Speaker 1>We're breezy, We're breezy. It's not going to make me sad, no,

0:31:29.760 --> 0:31:32.520
<v Speaker 1>or mad or angry for any other emotions. I actually

0:31:32.560 --> 0:31:38.560
<v Speaker 1>feel fine. I feel fine, So well that's not one. No, Actually,

0:31:38.880 --> 0:31:40.680
<v Speaker 1>I no, really, I feel I.

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<v Speaker 3>Feel joy and excitement because I'm like, did you get

0:31:43.000 --> 0:31:43.440
<v Speaker 3>a package?

0:31:43.480 --> 0:31:45.440
<v Speaker 1>I wonder what it is? Oh, I love where you

0:31:45.480 --> 0:31:47.840
<v Speaker 1>reframed that. Thank you for that because I was kind

0:31:47.840 --> 0:31:49.800
<v Speaker 1>of feeling mad at myself for not putting up the sign.

0:31:50.080 --> 0:31:53.000
<v Speaker 3>Oh well, that's perfect because we're about to talk about anger. Okay,

0:31:53.040 --> 0:31:54.520
<v Speaker 3>are you ready to do you want to talk about

0:31:54.560 --> 0:31:54.960
<v Speaker 3>sadness more?

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<v Speaker 1>Are you ready? No? I think I want to talk

0:31:56.080 --> 0:31:58.040
<v Speaker 1>about how being sad. You may be touched on this,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's not weakness. And I know we have men

0:32:00.520 --> 0:32:04.520
<v Speaker 1>that are listening, and I think sometimes they have to be,

0:32:04.920 --> 0:32:07.320
<v Speaker 1>you know, the man of the house or hold it

0:32:07.360 --> 0:32:10.880
<v Speaker 1>together for maybe the women in their life, and that's

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<v Speaker 1>part of maybe how they were brought up. I think

0:32:14.320 --> 0:32:16.840
<v Speaker 1>we're phasing out of that. It was just I'm making

0:32:16.880 --> 0:32:20.040
<v Speaker 1>a generalization, but I think in a lot of my

0:32:20.240 --> 0:32:24.280
<v Speaker 1>marriage for seventeen years, I don't it'd be for him

0:32:24.320 --> 0:32:26.400
<v Speaker 1>to talk about, but my experience with him is that

0:32:26.480 --> 0:32:29.160
<v Speaker 1>he didn't have a lot of room for sadness because

0:32:29.760 --> 0:32:33.640
<v Speaker 1>he needed to be more to get like he's drossed

0:32:33.680 --> 0:32:36.560
<v Speaker 1>a lot of sadness. Yes, like it could be seen

0:32:36.600 --> 0:32:38.800
<v Speaker 1>as weak to be sad.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, when this is a whole other topic that I

0:32:43.200 --> 0:32:45.760
<v Speaker 3>think would there'd be so much good conversation in. But

0:32:46.920 --> 0:32:50.280
<v Speaker 3>historically men aren't couldn't be weak because they were protectors

0:32:50.720 --> 0:32:53.280
<v Speaker 3>and they still can be protectors. But we don't have

0:32:53.360 --> 0:32:57.400
<v Speaker 3>the same threats now that maybe we did when we

0:32:57.400 --> 0:33:01.280
<v Speaker 3>were hunters and gatherers, and so you've gotten used to

0:33:01.360 --> 0:33:06.440
<v Speaker 3>playing these roles and now men have worked really hard

0:33:06.480 --> 0:33:11.600
<v Speaker 3>to push that away. And I have learned that part

0:33:11.640 --> 0:33:15.360
<v Speaker 3>of helping, part of wanting men to have that space

0:33:15.520 --> 0:33:18.080
<v Speaker 3>is us allowing it and encouraging it.

0:33:18.200 --> 0:33:19.560
<v Speaker 1>They're not going to do it automatically.

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<v Speaker 3>But I've noticed some things that have that I've thought

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<v Speaker 3>about men in general, or that I've said to my

0:33:25.640 --> 0:33:29.480
<v Speaker 3>husband or people that I'm dating, and it sends them

0:33:29.480 --> 0:33:31.600
<v Speaker 3>the message of like, there isn't still room for that,

0:33:32.120 --> 0:33:35.240
<v Speaker 3>So we have to invite that in for them.

0:33:35.480 --> 0:33:38.120
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm going a space for it. I can share

0:33:38.120 --> 0:33:40.960
<v Speaker 1>an example that I'm not proud of at all, Okay,

0:33:40.960 --> 0:33:43.760
<v Speaker 1>but I learned from it. It's hard to even say

0:33:43.800 --> 0:33:49.160
<v Speaker 1>because I'm mortified by myself. But it was in my marriage.

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<v Speaker 1>My husband got out of the Air Force and I

0:33:53.440 --> 0:33:56.520
<v Speaker 1>didn't realize how much of his identity was tied to that.

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<v Speaker 1>So he went to the Air Force Academy after high school,

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<v Speaker 1>went to pilot training right after that, and then nine

0:34:04.520 --> 0:34:06.600
<v Speaker 1>to eleven happened while he was at pilot training, so

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<v Speaker 1>then immediately went into to war as a pilot in

0:34:09.600 --> 0:34:13.279
<v Speaker 1>the Air Force. So much of his identity was I'm

0:34:13.280 --> 0:34:16.160
<v Speaker 1>an Air Force. Not only that, his dad was a

0:34:16.239 --> 0:34:20.360
<v Speaker 1>colonel in the Air Force, and since my accessmen was

0:34:20.400 --> 0:34:22.640
<v Speaker 1>five years old, he's like, I'm going to be a

0:34:22.680 --> 0:34:24.880
<v Speaker 1>pilot in the Air Force. So this is I'm painting

0:34:24.880 --> 0:34:28.920
<v Speaker 1>a picture that this was his identity, and when he

0:34:29.000 --> 0:34:31.960
<v Speaker 1>got out, I only either of us realized how much

0:34:31.960 --> 0:34:34.120
<v Speaker 1>it was going to impact him. And this happens to

0:34:34.160 --> 0:34:37.840
<v Speaker 1>a lot of people that would leave a career like that.

0:34:38.800 --> 0:34:42.560
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure there's it could be a firefighter, a policeman,

0:34:42.760 --> 0:34:44.719
<v Speaker 1>maybe even not a first responder type stuff. It could

0:34:44.719 --> 0:34:47.200
<v Speaker 1>be any career. But when that becomes your identity and

0:34:47.239 --> 0:34:49.279
<v Speaker 1>then you no longer have it and you're trying to

0:34:49.280 --> 0:34:51.480
<v Speaker 1>find your way in the world, especially as a military

0:34:51.480 --> 0:34:56.200
<v Speaker 1>person because now you're a s civilian, so sometimes some language,

0:34:56.239 --> 0:34:58.080
<v Speaker 1>if you're not that's her, you may not understand. But

0:34:58.120 --> 0:35:02.440
<v Speaker 1>that's like identically different world. It's just totally different. And

0:35:02.520 --> 0:35:05.560
<v Speaker 1>I didn't appreciate that. And I don't even think he

0:35:05.640 --> 0:35:09.360
<v Speaker 1>realized how difficult the separation was going to be and

0:35:09.880 --> 0:35:13.480
<v Speaker 1>how he saw himself, like his worthiness, his value, Like

0:35:13.520 --> 0:35:15.720
<v Speaker 1>what now is he contributing to the world like yous,

0:35:15.760 --> 0:35:18.920
<v Speaker 1>like I was contributing to making the world a safer place,

0:35:18.960 --> 0:35:21.040
<v Speaker 1>a better place. Like he was passionate about the work

0:35:21.040 --> 0:35:24.120
<v Speaker 1>he was doing. And not only that, he was special forces,

0:35:24.160 --> 0:35:25.880
<v Speaker 1>Like there was just a lot of really cool things

0:35:25.920 --> 0:35:29.320
<v Speaker 1>about his job. Right. So, now that I've painted that picture,

0:35:29.960 --> 0:35:33.359
<v Speaker 1>can you imagine if at some point along the way,

0:35:33.480 --> 0:35:37.279
<v Speaker 1>now we had other tension in our relationship because of this,

0:35:37.440 --> 0:35:39.719
<v Speaker 1>and there were some things that were happening because that

0:35:39.760 --> 0:35:43.120
<v Speaker 1>were frustrating because of the separation, because he didn't know

0:35:43.160 --> 0:35:44.680
<v Speaker 1>how to manage it. I don't think he knew how

0:35:44.680 --> 0:35:47.640
<v Speaker 1>to be sad about it. And then to your point,

0:35:47.680 --> 0:35:49.279
<v Speaker 1>which is what made me think of it, I don't

0:35:49.280 --> 0:35:52.279
<v Speaker 1>think I allowed space for it. Yeah, because even though

0:35:52.320 --> 0:35:55.000
<v Speaker 1>I want men to be sad and have space to

0:35:55.040 --> 0:35:58.239
<v Speaker 1>be sad. And I've matured a lot since this, Like

0:35:58.280 --> 0:36:00.799
<v Speaker 1>we're going back to like twenty twelve with the story here.

0:36:01.360 --> 0:36:03.640
<v Speaker 1>But I straight up looked at him one day and

0:36:03.680 --> 0:36:07.040
<v Speaker 1>I was like, man up, and that is what I said.

0:36:08.080 --> 0:36:14.440
<v Speaker 1>And that's Harry like a body like, don't say that.

0:36:14.440 --> 0:36:16.640
<v Speaker 1>That's like the worst thing. I mean, I'm sure there's

0:36:16.640 --> 0:36:19.160
<v Speaker 1>probably worse things I could say, but again, I will

0:36:19.760 --> 0:36:22.040
<v Speaker 1>This is not an excuse, but I will say again

0:36:22.080 --> 0:36:27.160
<v Speaker 1>there was tension in our relationship. So I was frustrated

0:36:27.200 --> 0:36:32.360
<v Speaker 1>and fed up and I said that, and honestly, I

0:36:32.400 --> 0:36:35.640
<v Speaker 1>don't know that he was ever able to let that go.

0:36:35.719 --> 0:36:38.759
<v Speaker 1>And that's not ultimately what led to us getting a

0:36:38.800 --> 0:36:41.640
<v Speaker 1>divorce over ten years later, but it certainly didn't make

0:36:41.680 --> 0:36:45.799
<v Speaker 1>things easier because then now he's like, Okay, my safe space,

0:36:45.840 --> 0:36:49.279
<v Speaker 1>which is supposed to be my wife, I now I

0:36:49.320 --> 0:36:53.000
<v Speaker 1>don't have permission to be sad here, and I wanted

0:36:53.080 --> 0:36:54.719
<v Speaker 1>him to be set. It's almost like we just didn't

0:36:54.760 --> 0:36:56.800
<v Speaker 1>have the tools and we didn't know how to process together.

0:36:57.160 --> 0:37:00.520
<v Speaker 1>But I should have been like, Hi, this is and

0:37:00.560 --> 0:37:03.960
<v Speaker 1>you are struggling. How can I help? But honestly, with

0:37:04.000 --> 0:37:05.840
<v Speaker 1>the other tension other things that are going on, I

0:37:05.880 --> 0:37:07.319
<v Speaker 1>don't even know if I would If I would have

0:37:07.320 --> 0:37:08.920
<v Speaker 1>said that that that would have been received and it

0:37:08.920 --> 0:37:10.719
<v Speaker 1>would have worked. So I don't want to go shitt akutawuda,

0:37:11.800 --> 0:37:13.320
<v Speaker 1>but I said that, and I'm not proud.

0:37:13.480 --> 0:37:18.080
<v Speaker 3>And that is you also, I think, because I appreciate

0:37:18.239 --> 0:37:21.040
<v Speaker 3>where you're taking all your responsibility for that which you

0:37:21.120 --> 0:37:24.319
<v Speaker 3>did it. So it's you're responsible for it, and we

0:37:24.360 --> 0:37:27.239
<v Speaker 3>love the ans that is a part of you, that

0:37:27.320 --> 0:37:29.520
<v Speaker 3>you were conditioned to treat men like that and to

0:37:29.560 --> 0:37:31.319
<v Speaker 3>think of men like that. And so that's the work

0:37:31.360 --> 0:37:33.239
<v Speaker 3>we do, is like we have to look at what

0:37:33.320 --> 0:37:36.359
<v Speaker 3>do I think and what are these unconscious bias in

0:37:36.440 --> 0:37:38.480
<v Speaker 3>our brains that don't.

0:37:38.239 --> 0:37:40.400
<v Speaker 1>Actually fit with how we really view people.

0:37:40.920 --> 0:37:44.239
<v Speaker 3>And this might I'm not trying to make you feel better,

0:37:44.280 --> 0:37:46.000
<v Speaker 3>but I do want to relate to you in the

0:37:46.000 --> 0:37:49.600
<v Speaker 3>sense that I did this two weeks ago, not ten

0:37:49.680 --> 0:37:53.920
<v Speaker 3>years ago. And I also am a therapist. So my

0:37:54.040 --> 0:37:56.839
<v Speaker 3>husband and I were in a fight and he maybe

0:37:56.960 --> 0:38:02.879
<v Speaker 3>had a little tearfall maybe a couple and I looked

0:38:02.920 --> 0:38:04.480
<v Speaker 3>at him and said, why are you crying?

0:38:05.200 --> 0:38:06.239
<v Speaker 1>Because there's so much emotion.

0:38:06.280 --> 0:38:08.239
<v Speaker 3>I don't remember exactly what I said, but it was

0:38:08.280 --> 0:38:10.160
<v Speaker 3>something along the lines of like, why are you crying?

0:38:10.160 --> 0:38:11.480
<v Speaker 1>I don't want you to cry about this. I want

0:38:11.520 --> 0:38:12.520
<v Speaker 1>you to do something about it.

0:38:13.320 --> 0:38:17.120
<v Speaker 3>Excuse me, yea what That's not the type of human

0:38:17.160 --> 0:38:20.560
<v Speaker 3>I want to be let alone, partner or wife. And

0:38:20.640 --> 0:38:24.480
<v Speaker 3>so I say this as like I'm in it with you, guys,

0:38:24.480 --> 0:38:27.799
<v Speaker 3>where I have to allow space for my husband to

0:38:27.880 --> 0:38:31.560
<v Speaker 3>feel sad and let him know that that sadness is

0:38:31.600 --> 0:38:34.560
<v Speaker 3>not a weakness that actually is going to bring us

0:38:34.840 --> 0:38:38.800
<v Speaker 3>closer if I allow it to be. There has nothing

0:38:38.840 --> 0:38:40.960
<v Speaker 3>to do with being able to take care of me,

0:38:41.200 --> 0:38:43.400
<v Speaker 3>or being able to take care of a family, or

0:38:44.000 --> 0:38:46.880
<v Speaker 3>the work that you can or cannot do. That's a

0:38:46.960 --> 0:38:49.319
<v Speaker 3>story we have built up in our head that no

0:38:49.400 --> 0:38:51.200
<v Speaker 3>longer fits the reality.

0:38:51.760 --> 0:38:55.600
<v Speaker 1>So you're not alone, is what I'm saying. You're worse.

0:38:56.360 --> 0:39:00.920
<v Speaker 1>I'm just kidding. You didn't left me land. You're a therapist,

0:39:01.160 --> 0:39:05.520
<v Speaker 1>and well I'm just kidding, not going to get for

0:39:05.520 --> 0:39:08.560
<v Speaker 1>advice anymore, joking. I will come to you for advice always.

0:39:08.680 --> 0:39:11.279
<v Speaker 1>I love I love your advice well being a good

0:39:11.280 --> 0:39:14.399
<v Speaker 1>admit I agree, and even though we know better, that's

0:39:14.440 --> 0:39:18.480
<v Speaker 1>just great, A great example of even though I know

0:39:18.560 --> 0:39:20.840
<v Speaker 1>better too, Who knows. One day I might be in

0:39:20.920 --> 0:39:23.719
<v Speaker 1>a moment with my boyfriend and I'll be like, man up.

0:39:23.960 --> 0:39:26.239
<v Speaker 1>But then I'll be like, just kidding. What I meant

0:39:26.239 --> 0:39:28.720
<v Speaker 1>to say is when you blank, I feel blank. Yeah,

0:39:28.760 --> 0:39:31.880
<v Speaker 1>That's what I meant to say. So okay, So sad,

0:39:31.960 --> 0:39:34.840
<v Speaker 1>being sad is not weak to like all two of

0:39:34.880 --> 0:39:37.799
<v Speaker 1>our male listeners right now. Well, it's good for the

0:39:37.840 --> 0:39:40.160
<v Speaker 1>women to also know that so they can share. It

0:39:40.200 --> 0:39:45.279
<v Speaker 1>makes space for your husband or boyfriend or son to

0:39:45.400 --> 0:39:49.360
<v Speaker 1>be sad. You know. It's a signal that something, something meaningful,

0:39:49.400 --> 0:39:53.279
<v Speaker 1>has been lost, or something meaningful has changed. Yeah, so

0:39:53.400 --> 0:39:56.920
<v Speaker 1>I forgive my twenty twelve self. Do you forgive your

0:39:56.960 --> 0:39:59.480
<v Speaker 1>two week ago self? Okay, good, all right, I gonna

0:39:59.520 --> 0:40:12.839
<v Speaker 1>do better. So we're going to do better. What's our

0:40:12.880 --> 0:40:17.040
<v Speaker 1>next emotion feeling? We're going to talk about anger. So

0:40:18.239 --> 0:40:19.600
<v Speaker 1>I love talking about anger.

0:40:19.840 --> 0:40:23.960
<v Speaker 3>It is the easiest feeling other than gladness for me

0:40:24.000 --> 0:40:26.200
<v Speaker 3>to feel, which I think a lot of people can

0:40:26.200 --> 0:40:29.040
<v Speaker 3>probably relate to. It is what I call the justice

0:40:29.080 --> 0:40:33.600
<v Speaker 3>emotion because when we are aware of this thing, it

0:40:33.840 --> 0:40:38.320
<v Speaker 3>helps us activate passion, and it helps us activate knowing

0:40:38.360 --> 0:40:40.960
<v Speaker 3>what's important to us. It helps us stand up for people,

0:40:41.000 --> 0:40:44.080
<v Speaker 3>It helps us stand up for ourselves. It leads us

0:40:44.280 --> 0:40:47.280
<v Speaker 3>into all of the directions of being like a strong,

0:40:47.360 --> 0:40:49.240
<v Speaker 3>competent human with a sense of self.

0:40:49.680 --> 0:40:51.840
<v Speaker 1>I love it. It's an empowering emotion.

0:40:52.719 --> 0:40:55.239
<v Speaker 3>And we're going to talk about too, what anger is

0:40:55.280 --> 0:40:58.360
<v Speaker 3>and what anger isn't because I think when I say anger,

0:40:58.680 --> 0:41:02.120
<v Speaker 3>what's the image you have in your head?

0:41:01.920 --> 0:41:10.399
<v Speaker 1>Do that again or I don't know, I am am

0:41:10.400 --> 0:41:15.719
<v Speaker 1>picturing me making a bowl of cereal and then smashing

0:41:15.760 --> 0:41:19.160
<v Speaker 1>it on the ground. Not that I've ever done that. Yeah, okay,

0:41:19.200 --> 0:41:21.479
<v Speaker 1>but I have. I get like this, so was my sister.

0:41:21.520 --> 0:41:27.680
<v Speaker 1>Maybe it's hereditary, okay, throwing a dish. I've never thrown

0:41:27.760 --> 0:41:29.799
<v Speaker 1>a dish. That I have a dish. I'm not saying

0:41:29.800 --> 0:41:32.960
<v Speaker 1>at anybody, but like, have you ever just smashed something down?

0:41:33.120 --> 0:41:37.319
<v Speaker 3>I've slammed things. I slammed my door so many times

0:41:37.360 --> 0:41:39.280
<v Speaker 3>as a child. My dad took it off the hinges.

0:41:39.760 --> 0:41:43.600
<v Speaker 1>Oh. He said, don't slam your door one more time,

0:41:43.640 --> 0:41:45.279
<v Speaker 1>and I said, yes, I will. What are you going

0:41:45.320 --> 0:41:45.839
<v Speaker 1>to do about it?

0:41:46.080 --> 0:41:49.000
<v Speaker 3>Slammed it and he took it off, and then I

0:41:49.040 --> 0:41:51.719
<v Speaker 3>was like, I'll show you. So I put two little

0:41:51.800 --> 0:41:53.680
<v Speaker 3>nails at the top of my doorframe and hung a

0:41:53.680 --> 0:41:55.160
<v Speaker 3>sheet over it, and I was like.

0:41:55.320 --> 0:41:55.959
<v Speaker 1>I have a door.

0:41:56.640 --> 0:41:59.840
<v Speaker 3>And my parents love this story because I don't know

0:41:59.880 --> 0:42:01.239
<v Speaker 3>how long I didn't have a door, but it was

0:42:01.280 --> 0:42:04.120
<v Speaker 3>a long time. And my dad was like, I would

0:42:04.120 --> 0:42:06.400
<v Speaker 3>have put your door on the next day, I was

0:42:06.440 --> 0:42:08.600
<v Speaker 3>waiting for you to ask me so where I thought.

0:42:08.640 --> 0:42:10.520
<v Speaker 3>I was like, I'll show you. I'll put this sheet up.

0:42:10.560 --> 0:42:12.839
<v Speaker 3>He was like, you can have your doorback. Yeah.

0:42:12.880 --> 0:42:16.520
<v Speaker 1>I need to say something, but that's funny. So I slam.

0:42:16.680 --> 0:42:18.600
<v Speaker 3>I've slammed some things in my life, but I don't

0:42:18.600 --> 0:42:20.680
<v Speaker 3>think i've ever broken or slammed a dishdown.

0:42:20.840 --> 0:42:23.799
<v Speaker 1>That sounds like it would feel kind of well try it. Yeah, Well,

0:42:23.800 --> 0:42:25.200
<v Speaker 1>so why did you ask me what do I picture

0:42:25.239 --> 0:42:27.279
<v Speaker 1>with anger? Because I mean I was picturing like some

0:42:27.440 --> 0:42:30.520
<v Speaker 1>angry little like emoji thing I see like the red

0:42:30.520 --> 0:42:32.080
<v Speaker 1>devil emoji in my head when I think about it.

0:42:32.120 --> 0:42:35.239
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, because that's what we told that's what we're taught.

0:42:35.320 --> 0:42:38.920
<v Speaker 3>Anger is is this this like big, loud, bad, scary,

0:42:39.000 --> 0:42:43.319
<v Speaker 3>it's fighting, It's all of that, when anger could be

0:42:43.360 --> 0:42:46.680
<v Speaker 3>a million things that are actually very comfortable to be with.

0:42:46.920 --> 0:42:48.120
<v Speaker 1>But we're not shown that.

0:42:48.920 --> 0:42:53.360
<v Speaker 3>And the need around anger is usually some form of

0:42:53.440 --> 0:42:56.319
<v Speaker 3>needing to be heard, whether it's I need to be

0:42:56.400 --> 0:43:00.239
<v Speaker 3>heard or I need this people to know this thing

0:43:00.280 --> 0:43:00.799
<v Speaker 3>about the.

0:43:00.680 --> 0:43:02.840
<v Speaker 1>World or this thing about this person.

0:43:03.400 --> 0:43:06.920
<v Speaker 3>Like I get angry when my friends are misunderstood, So

0:43:06.920 --> 0:43:08.319
<v Speaker 3>it's not even that I need to be heard, it's

0:43:08.360 --> 0:43:09.399
<v Speaker 3>like my friends need to be heard.

0:43:10.080 --> 0:43:11.200
<v Speaker 1>So that's usually the need.

0:43:11.760 --> 0:43:13.360
<v Speaker 3>And if we feel it, like I said, we have

0:43:13.400 --> 0:43:17.760
<v Speaker 3>this empowerment, we again will get our passion.

0:43:18.239 --> 0:43:20.200
<v Speaker 1>It helps us create change in the world.

0:43:21.080 --> 0:43:25.520
<v Speaker 3>Now, if we ignore that anger, which is I think

0:43:25.560 --> 0:43:28.640
<v Speaker 3>what a lot of people are taught, specifically women are,

0:43:31.040 --> 0:43:34.120
<v Speaker 3>don't be angry, don't be angry, be grateful, be this,

0:43:34.239 --> 0:43:37.440
<v Speaker 3>be that, hush, be quiet, don't say that full feathers,

0:43:37.719 --> 0:43:39.960
<v Speaker 3>don't be loud, don't be How can you be a helper?

0:43:40.880 --> 0:43:44.240
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, be a helper without getting in the way of anything.

0:43:44.960 --> 0:43:50.120
<v Speaker 3>And when that happens, we end up becoming some form

0:43:50.320 --> 0:43:53.160
<v Speaker 3>of like a and this is going to sound extreme,

0:43:53.160 --> 0:43:55.960
<v Speaker 3>but like this depressed sense of self, so we remove

0:43:56.000 --> 0:43:56.920
<v Speaker 3>parts of ourselves.

0:43:57.239 --> 0:44:00.800
<v Speaker 1>I see it as like sort of if you're this big,

0:44:01.200 --> 0:44:09.120
<v Speaker 1>let's say we start out this big full blow up dollie.

0:44:10.800 --> 0:44:13.080
<v Speaker 1>One time, my parents had this party and they had

0:44:13.080 --> 0:44:15.520
<v Speaker 1>a blow up doll, and I don't know why kind

0:44:15.560 --> 0:44:17.680
<v Speaker 1>of now that's what I'm picturing. They said these weird

0:44:17.719 --> 0:44:22.799
<v Speaker 1>parties they had pool parties and naked pull parties, a

0:44:22.920 --> 0:44:23.879
<v Speaker 1>naked blow up doll.

0:44:24.200 --> 0:44:26.160
<v Speaker 3>But I don't know, Wait, I wait, I think it's

0:44:26.160 --> 0:44:28.880
<v Speaker 3>like a joke that you said they had naked pool parties.

0:44:29.120 --> 0:44:32.800
<v Speaker 1>Naked pool parties. Yes, yeah, I remember seeing my friends

0:44:33.719 --> 0:44:36.640
<v Speaker 1>dad naked. Like I was looking through the backyard and

0:44:36.680 --> 0:44:40.520
<v Speaker 1>I was like, oh, there's mister Tucker. He's naked. Yeah.

0:44:40.640 --> 0:44:43.840
<v Speaker 1>They I don't know they were before my parents got divorced. Like,

0:44:43.880 --> 0:44:48.560
<v Speaker 1>I don't think they were never wild, like swingers or anything,

0:44:48.880 --> 0:44:52.120
<v Speaker 1>but it's just kind of they would have parties. Maybe

0:44:52.120 --> 0:44:54.560
<v Speaker 1>they'd be drinking and then people would be like, let's say,

0:44:54.600 --> 0:44:57.200
<v Speaker 1>Garcoles off all in the pool. I don't I don't

0:44:57.200 --> 0:44:58.640
<v Speaker 1>know that ever it was naked. I don't know. I

0:44:58.680 --> 0:45:02.680
<v Speaker 1>just know I saw mister we'll call him mister t naked,

0:45:04.160 --> 0:45:07.120
<v Speaker 1>and whenever I started to have this image of a

0:45:07.120 --> 0:45:10.280
<v Speaker 1>blow up doll, I'm just inviting you into my brain. Yeah,

0:45:10.640 --> 0:45:13.719
<v Speaker 1>so you're like, okay, you're sort of like part of

0:45:13.719 --> 0:45:17.200
<v Speaker 1>you is depressed. And then I'm like, okay, the word

0:45:17.200 --> 0:45:19.480
<v Speaker 1>that comes to mind for me is deflated. And so

0:45:19.520 --> 0:45:21.600
<v Speaker 1>then I'm like, well, find this big blow up doll.

0:45:21.800 --> 0:45:23.759
<v Speaker 1>And then right when I think of me as a

0:45:23.760 --> 0:45:26.239
<v Speaker 1>blow up doll, I'm like, oh, remember that naked blow

0:45:26.280 --> 0:45:29.160
<v Speaker 1>up doll Mom and Dad had at that party, Like

0:45:29.200 --> 0:45:32.280
<v Speaker 1>that's where my brain goes. So I'm just I'm letting

0:45:32.320 --> 0:45:35.920
<v Speaker 1>you in. So then need to do some brain spotting

0:45:35.920 --> 0:45:41.600
<v Speaker 1>around this. No, okay, No, it's fine, it's just that

0:45:43.320 --> 0:45:47.080
<v Speaker 1>I need to ask my sister. Oh yeah. Also, in

0:45:47.120 --> 0:45:50.560
<v Speaker 1>our living room, we had this little stuffed animal frog

0:45:51.200 --> 0:45:55.160
<v Speaker 1>on the bookshelf next to the encyclopedias, and there's like

0:45:55.200 --> 0:46:00.000
<v Speaker 1>this vintage frog. If anybody else knows what I'm talking about,

0:46:00.440 --> 0:46:03.319
<v Speaker 1>like you'll know, Like I think it was like a thing,

0:46:04.239 --> 0:46:06.680
<v Speaker 1>this little vintage stuffed animal frog. It looks like a

0:46:06.719 --> 0:46:09.040
<v Speaker 1>normal frog. But then when you pick it up, there's

0:46:09.040 --> 0:46:12.880
<v Speaker 1>a big penis under the frog. Do you know what?

0:46:13.520 --> 0:46:15.239
<v Speaker 1>But like that was in our living room next to

0:46:15.239 --> 0:46:19.600
<v Speaker 1>the encyclopedias. I don't know why. I think my parents

0:46:19.600 --> 0:46:22.040
<v Speaker 1>are just you know, But then when my dad left,

0:46:22.080 --> 0:46:24.400
<v Speaker 1>my mom got rid of the penis from well she

0:46:25.680 --> 0:46:28.840
<v Speaker 1>found Jesus and yeah, I think a lot of things changed,

0:46:28.920 --> 0:46:31.520
<v Speaker 1>but not I think, I know, Okay, a lot of things.

0:46:32.040 --> 0:46:34.719
<v Speaker 1>I do want to say this, I'm laughing. That is

0:46:34.760 --> 0:46:36.240
<v Speaker 1>not normal. What's not normal?

0:46:36.760 --> 0:46:39.560
<v Speaker 3>One to see your parents having naked parties? Well, two

0:46:39.640 --> 0:46:41.640
<v Speaker 3>to have a penis frog in your living room.

0:46:41.800 --> 0:46:44.320
<v Speaker 1>Okay, I back it up. I had I had parents.

0:46:44.520 --> 0:46:47.320
<v Speaker 1>What I'm saying is, I don't think they were like, hey, kids,

0:46:47.400 --> 0:46:49.960
<v Speaker 1>we're gonna be outside naked. I think they had put

0:46:50.000 --> 0:46:54.000
<v Speaker 1>us to bed, we were asleep. They were having neighbors over.

0:46:54.040 --> 0:46:55.640
<v Speaker 1>We're calling it a party. But let's say if they

0:46:55.640 --> 0:46:59.879
<v Speaker 1>have four couples over, right, so then they're like, let's

0:46:59.920 --> 0:47:03.960
<v Speaker 1>go swim. And then I peek outside and see mister naked,

0:47:04.239 --> 0:47:06.080
<v Speaker 1>and so now I'm calling it a naked pool party.

0:47:06.239 --> 0:47:09.120
<v Speaker 1>What did the penis frog do? I don't know. I

0:47:09.160 --> 0:47:11.080
<v Speaker 1>need to look it up. Was it like a sex

0:47:11.280 --> 0:47:13.759
<v Speaker 1>I wonder? No, it was the stuffed It had little

0:47:13.800 --> 0:47:17.000
<v Speaker 1>beans inside, like it's a stuffed like a like a paperweight,

0:47:17.200 --> 0:47:20.000
<v Speaker 1>but like a picture like a I didn't see it

0:47:20.000 --> 0:47:21.880
<v Speaker 1>because I can't. Well, I bet if we google it,

0:47:21.920 --> 0:47:24.560
<v Speaker 1>we'll find it online. And if it is available or

0:47:24.560 --> 0:47:27.040
<v Speaker 1>for sale on eBay if you're gonna buy thousands of adults. No,

0:47:27.120 --> 0:47:30.880
<v Speaker 1>but I'm thinking like this is no. But I'm wondering

0:47:30.880 --> 0:47:32.360
<v Speaker 1>if we should have kept it because I feel like

0:47:32.400 --> 0:47:34.120
<v Speaker 1>it's probably something that could be worth a lot of

0:47:34.160 --> 0:47:37.440
<v Speaker 1>money now because they're like this, Like if I hear

0:47:37.560 --> 0:47:40.920
<v Speaker 1>something one day that's like we're selling a very rare

0:47:41.320 --> 0:47:47.800
<v Speaker 1>vintage stuffed frog and his penis at Sotheby's. The auction's

0:47:47.800 --> 0:47:49.640
<v Speaker 1>starting at a million dollars, I'm gonna be like we

0:47:49.760 --> 0:47:52.600
<v Speaker 1>had one of those, you know, like those weird things

0:47:52.640 --> 0:47:54.200
<v Speaker 1>that they sell for a lot of money.

0:47:54.280 --> 0:47:57.120
<v Speaker 3>So I do want to say, Kat is here Cryokat,

0:47:57.239 --> 0:47:58.799
<v Speaker 3>you're acting like you know what this is.

0:47:59.120 --> 0:48:02.680
<v Speaker 1>Oh you knew about Amy having this story? Your parents

0:48:02.760 --> 0:48:09.879
<v Speaker 1>had it? Did your parents had to have a penis? Frug? Okay? Okay, okay, okay, okay.

0:48:10.360 --> 0:48:13.160
<v Speaker 1>But but I mean, yeah, the cat's probably like I

0:48:13.280 --> 0:48:19.640
<v Speaker 1>have parties like that. She's like, she's like that sounds

0:48:19.680 --> 0:48:21.120
<v Speaker 1>like a good time.

0:48:21.239 --> 0:48:24.440
<v Speaker 3>I wish I was her neighbor.

0:48:25.280 --> 0:48:30.040
<v Speaker 1>Yes, Okay, So just to back it up, I guess

0:48:30.040 --> 0:48:32.640
<v Speaker 1>I'm clarifying that I get that that's not normal, and

0:48:32.680 --> 0:48:35.360
<v Speaker 1>I don't even know for you to know it. I

0:48:35.360 --> 0:48:37.960
<v Speaker 1>think that's the difference. Your parents didn't know that you knew, right,

0:48:38.000 --> 0:48:39.719
<v Speaker 1>And I don't think they were like, hey kids, look

0:48:39.800 --> 0:48:41.600
<v Speaker 1>we just got a new blow up doll. But I

0:48:41.600 --> 0:48:45.839
<v Speaker 1>think it was the way their personalities were in their friendships.

0:48:45.840 --> 0:48:48.960
<v Speaker 1>It was like debauchery, sort of like just haha, like

0:48:49.480 --> 0:48:52.040
<v Speaker 1>we're going over to Cliff and Judy's. That was my parents,

0:48:52.280 --> 0:48:54.680
<v Speaker 1>Like I'm showing up with a blow up doll. Yeah,

0:48:54.719 --> 0:48:56.600
<v Speaker 1>and I'm going to put it on their couch and

0:48:56.680 --> 0:48:58.560
<v Speaker 1>just see how long it takes them to notice. And

0:48:58.600 --> 0:49:02.000
<v Speaker 1>so then there's this naked blop. So back to which

0:49:02.040 --> 0:49:02.800
<v Speaker 1>if you think.

0:49:02.600 --> 0:49:04.879
<v Speaker 3>About your parents being like our age, like that would

0:49:04.880 --> 0:49:06.320
<v Speaker 3>be kind of like a funny prank somebody.

0:49:06.080 --> 0:49:10.399
<v Speaker 4>Would do, right, I get it, okay, So that we've

0:49:10.600 --> 0:49:15.600
<v Speaker 4>taken him a little detour down memory lane, what I

0:49:15.719 --> 0:49:17.399
<v Speaker 4>was picturing is me as.

0:49:18.160 --> 0:49:22.319
<v Speaker 1>A doll, a blow up doll with fully closed and

0:49:22.360 --> 0:49:24.239
<v Speaker 1>like I've got the little part where the air goes

0:49:24.239 --> 0:49:26.920
<v Speaker 1>in and it's like slightly open, and then every time

0:49:27.560 --> 0:49:31.480
<v Speaker 1>you suppress this, it's like psh, a little more air

0:49:31.520 --> 0:49:33.880
<v Speaker 1>goes out, and then you do it again and psh,

0:49:34.000 --> 0:49:39.400
<v Speaker 1>a little more air goes out until eventually you're like unrecognizable.

0:49:39.719 --> 0:49:42.320
<v Speaker 1>M Yeah, that's actually a really good metaphor.

0:49:42.440 --> 0:49:47.520
<v Speaker 3>You're welcome and the anytime, and it gave us a

0:49:47.560 --> 0:49:50.319
<v Speaker 3>really fun story. But on the other side too, with

0:49:50.400 --> 0:49:53.759
<v Speaker 3>that blow up metaphor, you can also think about like

0:49:54.520 --> 0:49:56.600
<v Speaker 3>me trying to hold in my anger.

0:49:57.360 --> 0:49:59.319
<v Speaker 1>It takes a lot of energy and so it can all.

0:49:59.360 --> 0:50:01.480
<v Speaker 3>You can also use metaphor of taking a beach ball

0:50:01.520 --> 0:50:04.239
<v Speaker 3>and putting it underwater and I can only hold it

0:50:04.280 --> 0:50:07.600
<v Speaker 3>for so long, so when it does come out, it's

0:50:07.600 --> 0:50:11.200
<v Speaker 3>gonna come out in this crazy exaggerated way, which is

0:50:11.200 --> 0:50:13.560
<v Speaker 3>a lot of times what happens. And that's what people think.

0:50:13.640 --> 0:50:15.400
<v Speaker 3>I think a lot of times when they see anger,

0:50:15.800 --> 0:50:18.160
<v Speaker 3>they see that beach ball blowing up out of the water,

0:50:18.800 --> 0:50:23.040
<v Speaker 3>versus what actually was going on in that actual shade

0:50:23.040 --> 0:50:25.400
<v Speaker 3>of anger. That is not people see. I think anger

0:50:25.440 --> 0:50:28.000
<v Speaker 3>is like rage a lot of times. And one of

0:50:28.000 --> 0:50:30.600
<v Speaker 3>my friends used a couple years ago the metaphor of

0:50:30.680 --> 0:50:33.040
<v Speaker 3>like Jesus was one of the angriest people in the

0:50:33.040 --> 0:50:36.520
<v Speaker 3>world on Earth ever, and he walked around everywhere he

0:50:36.560 --> 0:50:38.480
<v Speaker 3>went being like looking perfect.

0:50:38.640 --> 0:50:43.000
<v Speaker 1>He was hit so much anger. It's how you show it. Yeah, well,

0:50:43.040 --> 0:50:44.560
<v Speaker 1>I mean you said it can be such a thing

0:50:44.600 --> 0:50:47.879
<v Speaker 1>for justice, and yeah, so that makes sense. And if

0:50:48.080 --> 0:50:50.160
<v Speaker 1>when you brought up shades, it made me want to

0:50:50.200 --> 0:50:52.480
<v Speaker 1>go look at our feelings, wheel to look at the

0:50:52.480 --> 0:50:57.000
<v Speaker 1>different shades of anger and share some of those bitter irritation,

0:50:57.320 --> 0:51:05.719
<v Speaker 1>discuss jealous us, did critical, contempt, frustration, annoyance, resentful and

0:51:05.760 --> 0:51:06.960
<v Speaker 1>also passion.

0:51:07.640 --> 0:51:12.160
<v Speaker 3>Which I have learned to lean into that because I

0:51:12.200 --> 0:51:15.080
<v Speaker 3>think for me, I used to I used to tell

0:51:15.080 --> 0:51:19.319
<v Speaker 3>myself a story that a lot of that justice and

0:51:19.360 --> 0:51:24.960
<v Speaker 3>passion was like annoying or too much or overwhelming. If

0:51:25.000 --> 0:51:27.799
<v Speaker 3>you ask Patrick his favorite thing about me, he says,

0:51:28.080 --> 0:51:30.759
<v Speaker 3>your passion. When he first told me that, I was like,

0:51:31.480 --> 0:51:32.680
<v Speaker 3>you're just trying to be nice.

0:51:32.760 --> 0:51:35.160
<v Speaker 1>Stop gassing me up. Yeah, And he's like, no, it's

0:51:35.200 --> 0:51:35.760
<v Speaker 1>your passion.

0:51:35.760 --> 0:51:38.640
<v Speaker 3>And when I do get kind of fiery, he's like,

0:51:38.760 --> 0:51:41.200
<v Speaker 3>this is I love how much you care about things.

0:51:41.640 --> 0:51:44.000
<v Speaker 3>And also if I didn't allow myself to care about things,

0:51:44.840 --> 0:51:46.520
<v Speaker 3>I don't know that I would be doing what I do.

0:51:47.320 --> 0:51:48.840
<v Speaker 1>Oh, I definitely don't think it would be.

0:51:49.600 --> 0:51:53.640
<v Speaker 3>So allow yourself to acknowledge your anger, so you can

0:51:53.920 --> 0:51:56.359
<v Speaker 3>acknowledge the stuff that really matters to you and it

0:51:56.400 --> 0:52:00.880
<v Speaker 3>actually helps you lead, I think, a more meaningful life.

0:52:00.960 --> 0:52:04.759
<v Speaker 1>I want to get to an example of anger with

0:52:04.880 --> 0:52:07.680
<v Speaker 1>your partner because I think that could be relatable, like

0:52:07.719 --> 0:52:11.680
<v Speaker 1>if your partner is picking at you and joking at you, like.

0:52:11.760 --> 0:52:15.879
<v Speaker 3>Making little like fun. This actually happened a couple years ago.

0:52:16.160 --> 0:52:18.560
<v Speaker 3>We were with Patrick's family on family vacation. It's the

0:52:18.600 --> 0:52:21.560
<v Speaker 3>first time I met them, and we were playing cards

0:52:21.560 --> 0:52:23.160
<v Speaker 3>and I had to use the restroom. So I got

0:52:23.239 --> 0:52:25.520
<v Speaker 3>up to go use the restroom and it was a

0:52:25.520 --> 0:52:29.840
<v Speaker 3>glass door, and somebody had opened one side of the

0:52:29.880 --> 0:52:31.680
<v Speaker 3>door and then locked the other side.

0:52:32.400 --> 0:52:34.040
<v Speaker 1>Well I didn't see that, and it was glass.

0:52:34.360 --> 0:52:37.759
<v Speaker 3>So I walked with like some excitement and some pep

0:52:37.760 --> 0:52:39.360
<v Speaker 3>in my step to go to the restroom. And I

0:52:39.400 --> 0:52:41.760
<v Speaker 3>went to Patrick's new girl and I'm like, you guys

0:52:41.760 --> 0:52:42.800
<v Speaker 3>love me, and I'm so fun.

0:52:42.920 --> 0:52:43.760
<v Speaker 1>I'll be right back.

0:52:44.040 --> 0:52:47.560
<v Speaker 3>And then I walked into the door and was like

0:52:47.640 --> 0:52:50.440
<v Speaker 3>pressing on it and pressing on it and pressing on it.

0:52:50.960 --> 0:52:53.440
<v Speaker 3>And then I was like oh, and then I just

0:52:53.440 --> 0:52:55.680
<v Speaker 3>walked through the other door. I didn't think it was

0:52:55.719 --> 0:52:58.239
<v Speaker 3>that big of a deal, Like, yeah, that was locked,

0:52:58.239 --> 0:53:01.239
<v Speaker 3>No big deal. When I got back, they all were

0:53:01.320 --> 0:53:03.799
<v Speaker 3>laughing so hard, and it felt like I don't think

0:53:03.840 --> 0:53:05.680
<v Speaker 3>they meant anything of it, and I don't think they

0:53:05.680 --> 0:53:07.680
<v Speaker 3>were like talking about me the whole time I was gone,

0:53:07.880 --> 0:53:11.680
<v Speaker 3>but they kept making comments about it, and Patrick kept

0:53:11.680 --> 0:53:14.600
<v Speaker 3>making comments about it, and I had to say, hey,

0:53:15.640 --> 0:53:18.120
<v Speaker 3>I can take a joke, but when you do it

0:53:18.160 --> 0:53:20.879
<v Speaker 3>this many times, it's a little frustrating, like I want

0:53:20.880 --> 0:53:22.799
<v Speaker 3>I want to move on. I don't want this to

0:53:22.800 --> 0:53:24.399
<v Speaker 3>all be focused on me. So I can take a joke,

0:53:24.440 --> 0:53:27.520
<v Speaker 3>but it's getting a little bit much. If I didn't

0:53:27.560 --> 0:53:30.680
<v Speaker 3>do that, I'm sure I would have been so passive

0:53:30.680 --> 0:53:33.840
<v Speaker 3>aggressive to Patrick. I would have probably given them the

0:53:33.880 --> 0:53:36.479
<v Speaker 3>silent treatment. I would have probably been like, I'm going

0:53:36.520 --> 0:53:38.680
<v Speaker 3>to bed like I just have a headache, but I'm

0:53:38.680 --> 0:53:41.200
<v Speaker 3>going to bed like I probably was. I would That's

0:53:41.239 --> 0:53:43.000
<v Speaker 3>how it would show up. And we do that all

0:53:43.000 --> 0:53:45.799
<v Speaker 3>the time. It's the whole idea of it's not the trash,

0:53:45.840 --> 0:53:47.879
<v Speaker 3>we're talking about it something else, right.

0:53:48.360 --> 0:53:52.640
<v Speaker 1>I know that with suppressed frustration or anger, a lot

0:53:52.719 --> 0:53:56.160
<v Speaker 1>of times with the passive aggressiveness is sarcasm, or you

0:53:56.200 --> 0:53:59.520
<v Speaker 1>can start to say things like you know that you

0:53:59.600 --> 0:54:01.920
<v Speaker 1>really want to say, but you say it with sarcasms.

0:54:01.920 --> 0:54:05.000
<v Speaker 1>So that's another way we can pay attention to maybe

0:54:05.040 --> 0:54:07.120
<v Speaker 1>what's going on, like, because sometimes I just can't put

0:54:07.120 --> 0:54:09.279
<v Speaker 1>my finger on it, or I don't even know that

0:54:09.360 --> 0:54:12.200
<v Speaker 1>I'm suppressing it. But then if I have like a

0:54:12.360 --> 0:54:17.160
<v Speaker 1>quick sarcastic reaction to something and I say it, that

0:54:17.280 --> 0:54:20.359
<v Speaker 1>might be an indicator to me of like, oh, something,

0:54:20.760 --> 0:54:22.600
<v Speaker 1>I was sort of just joking with that, But I

0:54:22.640 --> 0:54:25.240
<v Speaker 1>don't think I'm joking. I think that this is actually

0:54:25.280 --> 0:54:28.040
<v Speaker 1>bothering me. So I've been using that as a way

0:54:28.080 --> 0:54:31.480
<v Speaker 1>to sort of gauge how I'm really feeling. Because then

0:54:31.480 --> 0:54:34.000
<v Speaker 1>it's also easy for me to want to write it

0:54:34.040 --> 0:54:37.160
<v Speaker 1>off and be like, oh, it's just joking. If they're like, hey,

0:54:37.200 --> 0:54:38.960
<v Speaker 1>that kind of was is everything okay, I'm like, well,

0:54:38.960 --> 0:54:41.279
<v Speaker 1>I was just joking. But that's another sign to me

0:54:41.280 --> 0:54:44.480
<v Speaker 1>of like, okay, well was I just joking? Or am

0:54:44.480 --> 0:54:47.399
<v Speaker 1>I really frustrated or annoyed by this? Is there something

0:54:47.400 --> 0:54:50.160
<v Speaker 1>you care about? Yeah? But do you do you understand

0:54:50.280 --> 0:54:52.160
<v Speaker 1>saying of like sometimes I don't know what that is,

0:54:52.200 --> 0:54:55.839
<v Speaker 1>But then I'll have a behavior that's like oh, where

0:54:55.840 --> 0:54:57.960
<v Speaker 1>did that? I don't wake up to it, that's it.

0:54:57.960 --> 0:55:00.520
<v Speaker 1>It wakes me up because it's like it just comes

0:55:00.560 --> 0:55:05.520
<v Speaker 1>out in sarcasm, and there's space for sarcasm. There's healthy sarcasm,

0:55:05.680 --> 0:55:09.080
<v Speaker 1>Like yeah, like you can be sarcastic. Sarcasm is great.

0:55:09.120 --> 0:55:11.440
<v Speaker 1>I love sarcasm, but it's sort of like when my

0:55:11.480 --> 0:55:14.840
<v Speaker 1>own sarcasm surprises me when I'm like, where did that

0:55:14.880 --> 0:55:16.200
<v Speaker 1>come from? That was a little feisty.

0:55:16.560 --> 0:55:19.719
<v Speaker 3>I think a lot of us because and again this

0:55:19.840 --> 0:55:22.000
<v Speaker 3>is more towards women, but I think men can do

0:55:22.040 --> 0:55:24.440
<v Speaker 3>this too. But if we're taught that we have to

0:55:24.520 --> 0:55:26.880
<v Speaker 3>be nice and kind, and we're taught that we can't

0:55:26.880 --> 0:55:28.880
<v Speaker 3>ask for our needs, and we're taught that to be

0:55:29.000 --> 0:55:31.400
<v Speaker 3>quiet or don't be angry any of that, we're gonna

0:55:31.400 --> 0:55:34.480
<v Speaker 3>find these other ways to like get that out. And

0:55:34.600 --> 0:55:37.240
<v Speaker 3>that is a like it almost is like a loophole

0:55:37.360 --> 0:55:39.640
<v Speaker 3>to your anger. It's like, well, I have a need

0:55:39.680 --> 0:55:41.680
<v Speaker 3>that needs to be met, but like I can't go

0:55:41.680 --> 0:55:43.440
<v Speaker 3>go directly there, so I'm gonna go this way.

0:55:43.680 --> 0:55:46.400
<v Speaker 1>So it's this unconscious loophole that we've created.

0:55:47.080 --> 0:55:49.880
<v Speaker 3>And the way to undo that is like what you're saying,

0:55:50.000 --> 0:55:52.640
<v Speaker 3>when you do it, you can't help it at first,

0:55:52.680 --> 0:55:54.960
<v Speaker 3>but like when you do it, acknowledge it, take a

0:55:55.000 --> 0:55:58.759
<v Speaker 3>step back and say that's not really who I want

0:55:58.800 --> 0:56:00.480
<v Speaker 3>to be in I don't want to show up that way.

0:56:00.560 --> 0:56:03.520
<v Speaker 3>I need to reflect, and it's okay to not have

0:56:03.600 --> 0:56:07.480
<v Speaker 3>the answers too. A lot of times when I'm in conflict,

0:56:08.480 --> 0:56:11.279
<v Speaker 3>I will have to say, hey, I want you to

0:56:11.320 --> 0:56:14.360
<v Speaker 3>know that I'm not stonewalling you, which is ignoring somebody

0:56:14.960 --> 0:56:18.200
<v Speaker 3>or trying to be difficult or ignoring what you're saying.

0:56:18.239 --> 0:56:21.800
<v Speaker 1>But I need a second to process this. So it's okay.

0:56:22.560 --> 0:56:25.800
<v Speaker 3>I think when we get in our feelings, it feels

0:56:25.920 --> 0:56:28.120
<v Speaker 3>a lot of times like there's a rush to do

0:56:28.320 --> 0:56:31.080
<v Speaker 3>or say or figure out what the need is.

0:56:31.400 --> 0:56:33.799
<v Speaker 1>It's okay to take time with all of it. My

0:56:33.880 --> 0:56:36.080
<v Speaker 1>son was a beautiful example of that. The other night.

0:56:36.680 --> 0:56:40.400
<v Speaker 1>We were having a moment because of homework, and he

0:56:41.200 --> 0:56:43.680
<v Speaker 1>was able to say to me, Mom, I need a

0:56:43.719 --> 0:56:46.040
<v Speaker 1>minute because I went and I sat back down and

0:56:46.080 --> 0:56:49.400
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, okay, let's try this again, and he said

0:56:50.280 --> 0:56:52.920
<v Speaker 1>not yet. I need a moment. And I said, well,

0:56:53.200 --> 0:56:57.360
<v Speaker 1>let's like, will you forgive me? And he was able

0:56:57.440 --> 0:57:01.239
<v Speaker 1>to say, in his own words, still processing, so give

0:57:01.320 --> 0:57:04.120
<v Speaker 1>him space, And so I had to completely walk away

0:57:04.200 --> 0:57:07.640
<v Speaker 1>and give him the opportunity to work through whatever he

0:57:07.680 --> 0:57:10.440
<v Speaker 1>needed to work through to then move forward with me.

0:57:10.920 --> 0:57:12.360
<v Speaker 1>And I was like, this is just a good example

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<v Speaker 1>of like it's always okay, no matter the circumstance, to

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<v Speaker 1>take space and time.

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<v Speaker 3>I wish that I had that language as a kid

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<v Speaker 3>doing math homework with my dad because I wasn't saying

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<v Speaker 3>I need a minute.

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<v Speaker 1>I was crying, Yeah, does your dad want to come

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<v Speaker 1>over and help stevensimm with math because it'd be great.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, he's pretty good at it, but I don't know

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<v Speaker 3>if you wanted to. Well, Stevenson has better skills than

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<v Speaker 3>I had, so.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe he'll tell your dad like, hey, whoa, we both

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<v Speaker 1>need to take five. Next thing, I know, like I

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<v Speaker 1>come home and like Stevenson's doors off his hinges and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, what happened? Your dad is like, don't worry.

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<v Speaker 1>Took care of things. He's not going to be a

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<v Speaker 1>problem for you anymore. Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, the reason we would always fight his kids with

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<v Speaker 3>my dad doing math and work is because my dad

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<v Speaker 3>I would show us how to do it, and I'd

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<v Speaker 3>be like, but I have to show my work and

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<v Speaker 3>that's not how the teacher taught me to do it.

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<v Speaker 1>And he's like it doesn't matter. I got you the

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<v Speaker 1>right answer. So he would get frustrated and I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>but dad, we have to do the steps. And I

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<v Speaker 1>was a perfectionist, and he was like.

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<v Speaker 3>What does it matter? I got you the right answer.

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<v Speaker 3>So then the doors were off the hinges, and you

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<v Speaker 3>know that's just it was sob now right away.

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<v Speaker 1>So in a nutshell for anger, anger is not bad.

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<v Speaker 1>Anger is your friend. It's so helpful. So helpful doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>mean you get to be all feeling anger excuse to

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<v Speaker 1>be mean. Well, I know, but if you channel it

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<v Speaker 1>or if you suppress it, you may be that beach

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<v Speaker 1>ball out of the water. And you don't want to

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<v Speaker 1>be that. You want to be just like an normal blow.

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<v Speaker 3>Up doll'inflated, perfectly inflated blow up doll, just the right

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<v Speaker 3>you know.

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<v Speaker 1>And yeah, we just hope that you have the day

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<v Speaker 1>you need to have. Is that how we want to

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<v Speaker 1>do it? Or are we going to say it together?

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<v Speaker 1>That's so hard. Try want you to. I'm doing improv

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<v Speaker 1>and all of that is also too about reading each other.

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<v Speaker 1>So you just need to have a really good eye

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<v Speaker 1>contact and we'll be able to do it together. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>And Cat and I just hope that you have the

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<v Speaker 1>day you need to have. That's that good? Yeay one

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<v Speaker 1>more time because with good I it's like I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to really dial into you. Okay, Okay it might. Cat

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<v Speaker 1>and I both okay, Cat, Okay, Cat and I both

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<v Speaker 1>hope you have the day you need to have. Bye.

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<v Speaker 3>Bye,