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Speaker 1: and can find You. Welcome back to another dish of

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Speaker 1: the Around the NFL Podcast. My name is Dan Hansas,

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Speaker 1: and I'm joined by a room filled with heroes, Mark Sessler,

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Speaker 1: Chris Westling, and Greg Rosen't all what up? Boys? Hey damn,

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Speaker 1: I'm just visually disturbed at the concept of having to

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Speaker 1: share a locker room with you, gentlemen. Well, listen, it's

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Speaker 1: very possible that if we were the coaching staff, we

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Speaker 1: would lose the locker room very quickly. And I understand

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Speaker 1: that that's fair. West would drop some hard love on

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Speaker 1: the on the staff, on the on the teammates, and

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Speaker 1: they would become very they would distance themselves like hardbus style.

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Speaker 1: Cecil would come in and kind of get like sensitive

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Speaker 1: a little bit, and that guys, come on, listen. It

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Speaker 1: is called good cop, bad cop. Yeah, and they'd walk

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Speaker 1: all over them. Gret, I don't play that role. What

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Speaker 1: is your rule when whenever I've been on a softball team,

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Speaker 1: I've been the coach, But I have a very soft

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Speaker 1: hand when I coach. Really yeah, and Greg, we know

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Speaker 1: Greg management style? What you know? Just you know, guiding hand,

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Speaker 1: hard driving, hard driving, take no prisoners. Trying to think

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Speaker 1: of a very unliked coach in NFL history. Who is

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Speaker 1: that Vikings coach that they fired right after after bat

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Speaker 1: Wesley will back me up on this one. The Vikings coach,

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Speaker 1: will always be Mike Tis because of the pencil in

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Speaker 1: the year, always that he had that Pencilvania in the

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Speaker 1: decision where it's like we don't need to make a

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Speaker 1: got a big week. This is week seven the recap

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Speaker 1: show or Sunday Night Show. We already had to delay

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Speaker 1: it a little bit because a little take you behind

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Speaker 1: the curtain. Uh, Peyton Manning and the Broncos are playing

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Speaker 1: the Niners as we speak right now, and we had

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Speaker 1: to stop down because Peyton Manning could not cooperate with us.

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Speaker 1: He had to throw two touchdown passes in the first

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Speaker 1: hammered out a real quick post and now we're watching

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Speaker 1: in around the NFL history a post is written during

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Speaker 1: the show. We'll see how that goes over. Anyway. So

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Speaker 1: we got a lot of We got a lot of

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Speaker 1: games to get to I believe fourteen games on the

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Speaker 1: why don't we start with the team that is maybe

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Speaker 1: the hardest team to figure out right now? Because the

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Speaker 1: Seattle Seahawks, the defending champions, started so great and now

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Speaker 1: we don't know what's going on with him. The St.

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Speaker 1: Louis Rams became the latest team to upset the defending champs,

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Speaker 1: riding three big special teams plays to a win over

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Speaker 1: the Seahawks in St. Louis is a game the Rams

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Speaker 1: got ahead twenty one three, the Seahawks came barreling back,

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Speaker 1: ask you, guys, what is going on with the Seahawks?

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Speaker 1: Are we to be worried about this team? I believe

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Speaker 1: they're three and three? Now he lives in St. Louis,

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Speaker 1: you better be worried. I mean, that's that's a division game,

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Speaker 1: that's two straight conference losses. You're three and three. That's

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Speaker 1: a team that you just expect, the Seahawks at this point,

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Speaker 1: Here's something strange about this game. The Seahawks lost, and

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Speaker 1: And who would expected that Austin Davis eighteen of twenty one,

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Speaker 1: who I think when nine for a hundred in a touchdown.

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Speaker 1: Uh So the Falcons of this team, now that everyone

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Speaker 1: and Greg you have your theory about every team looks

430
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Speaker 1: better when they play the Falcons. They're just a team

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Speaker 1: that you can almost you can nail in a win

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Speaker 1: for the opposition when they're on the road, and then

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Speaker 1: I guess, as we saw last week, not even things

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Speaker 1: at home are given, so we're hurtling towards a tend

435
00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:21,600
Speaker 1: to eleven last season. I think they're the kind of

436
00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:24,679
Speaker 1: team that allows Steve Smith to continue his victory tour too.

437
00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:27,800
Speaker 1: He said today the NFC South is a finesse division.

438
00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:31,800
Speaker 1: The a f C North is blue collar. I love

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Speaker 1: with Steve Smith how we make a big deal that

440
00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:35,880
Speaker 1: he gets off Twitter and yet he continues to talk

441
00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:38,439
Speaker 1: more than any player in the league. I don't know.

442
00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:40,840
Speaker 1: I think the Falcons are one of the worst teams

443
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Speaker 1: in the league, and you would have to throw the

444
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Speaker 1: Bucks in that mix too. As one of the worst

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Speaker 1: teams in the league, which is why you're so worried

446
00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:49,000
Speaker 1: about the Saints. If I had to pick who wins

447
00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:50,520
Speaker 1: that the vision arry now, I'd still say the same

448
00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:53,240
Speaker 1: one thing with the Falcons. The reason you know we

449
00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:55,679
Speaker 1: talked about the Cowboys, they are strong upfront and that

450
00:21:55,720 --> 00:21:58,320
Speaker 1: makes your skill players better. It's exact opposite in Atlanta,

451
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Speaker 1: m That's true. Kyle Orton hit Sammy Watkins on a

452
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Speaker 1: two year touchdown pass that was the winning score, was

453
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Speaker 1: just one second to go, and the Bills beat the

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Speaker 1: Vikings seventeen sixteen on Sunday. The touchdown ended a fifteen

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Speaker 1: play eight yard drive engineered by who Chris Westling. Kyle Orton,

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Speaker 1: Chris Westling. That was the checks If you were paying attention,

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Speaker 1: I was not, Uh, you know Orton, who, by the way,

458
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Speaker 1: on this drive fourth and twenty three and twelve kept

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Speaker 1: the game alive and wins it at the end. Uh.

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Speaker 1: Scintillating win for the Bills in front of their new

461
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Speaker 1: owner in Orchard Park, which they're getting some entertaining games

462
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Speaker 1: up there this year. And for the Vikings. Ouch, that's

463
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Speaker 1: another painful loss for a team that is fading into

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Speaker 1: Bolivia as Mike Tyson, Wintson Kyle Orton has been ahead

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Speaker 1: in five seconds of his three games so far, and

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Speaker 1: the Bills have two wins or magic. He did a

467
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Speaker 1: good job here. I mean, this was a very sloppy game.

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Speaker 1: That's a fact. Yes, I say, you wouldn't just have

469
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Speaker 1: central factoid. I don't know. It was honest, Sammy Watkins,

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Speaker 1: you know we've been waiting for this game. Nine catches,

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Speaker 1: a twenty two yards, two touchdowns in the game winner.

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Speaker 1: It was you know that that kind of belies what

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Speaker 1: the game was though, which was sort of a slop

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Speaker 1: fest that included for Buffalo. You want to talk about

475
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Speaker 1: you want to give your owner a nice present and

476
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Speaker 1: first win. He also saw C. J. Spiller break his

477
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Speaker 1: collar bone and Fred Jackson lost his card. Wait, why

478
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Speaker 1: would that be a present? Fir him. He That's what

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Speaker 1: I'm saying. It wasn't that creative a present you could

480
00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:38,240
Speaker 1: I thought you were going down like a major league

481
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Speaker 1: when the owner was against their own team. I thought

482
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Speaker 1: that maybe something. I don't think we've gotten to that point.

483
00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:45,520
Speaker 1: New York tell me about Mark as a man to

484
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Speaker 1: watch the game closely and was ignoring what was going

485
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Speaker 1: on in Cleveland on the other television, tell me what

486
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Speaker 1: happened with Teddy Bridgewater, who had an awesome first start

487
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Speaker 1: and missed the next an injury last week was an

488
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Speaker 1: absolute disaster. What did you do today? You know with Ridgewater,

489
00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:03,800
Speaker 1: it's it's tough to analyze this guy because again today

490
00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:08,160
Speaker 1: five sacks, he's hit eight times. He's not the kind

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Speaker 1: of guy who's big enough and physical enough to shake

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Speaker 1: these defenders off and make something he can move. But

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Speaker 1: he's not when when he has time he starts to

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Speaker 1: make passes downfield and you get a sense of what

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Speaker 1: he can be. But that's not the case with this

496
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Speaker 1: line right now. They are battered. They're very injured. I

497
00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:24,960
Speaker 1: think that one point they had only two of the

498
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Speaker 1: original starters on the field, and it showed Sammy Watkins

499
00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:32,320
Speaker 1: still learning how to be an NFL receiver. Rail Rivers

500
00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:36,040
Speaker 1: made him disappear last week, but we've now seen two

501
00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:39,359
Speaker 1: separate games he's dominated. In the Lions game, he dominated

502
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Speaker 1: the final drive in the second half to help them win.

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00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:44,920
Speaker 1: That's a great sign for the Bill. I wouldn't say

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00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:49,399
Speaker 1: he dominated this game though, I mean he came just

505
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Speaker 1: that the the offense doesn't look like it should be

506
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Speaker 1: centered through him directly, the way you would like a

507
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Speaker 1: Roddy Whitey. Still, there's a couple of passes where there

508
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Speaker 1: was it should have been a like off the back

509
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Speaker 1: shoulder grab and he looked the long way. I mean

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Speaker 1: he is still learning. That's You're right, but he but

511
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Speaker 1: what he shows though, absolutely and like but you and

512
00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:08,480
Speaker 1: Kyle Wharton makes that offense move much better. But they

513
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Speaker 1: have a long term issue at quarterback. They can't say

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Speaker 1: your solution. They got a winning record too, though, Yeah,

515
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Speaker 1: they're they're surprised him and Doug Wally, who remember when

516
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Speaker 1: he made that gutsy move and made to move up

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Speaker 1: and get Watkins basically was it was pretty clear that

518
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Speaker 1: his job was on the line, that Watkins had to

519
00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:25,280
Speaker 1: not only be a great player, but he had to

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Speaker 1: show something quickly. And he's already had a couple of

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Speaker 1: big moments in the first half of the season. It

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Speaker 1: looks like they hit on this guy just a matter

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Speaker 1: of him learning how to play the game. Got a quarterback,

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Speaker 1: Speaking of guys who know how to play the game

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Speaker 1: at this level, Aaron Rodgers through five yards and three

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Speaker 1: touchdowns and the Packers just rolled over the Carolina secondary

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Speaker 1: and an easy thirty seventeen win. On Sunday, the Packers,

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Speaker 1: I believe winners of four straight, is that corrector? And

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Speaker 1: we have to five four straight, four straight scored touchdowns

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Speaker 1: in their first three possessions. They had a three lead

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Speaker 1: at halftime West this These are sad times for the

532
00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:06,680
Speaker 1: former team of a TL, the Panthers, But the Packers meanwhile,

533
00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:10,360
Speaker 1: look like they're on five team. They're on fire. Over

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Speaker 1: the last four games, Aaron Rodgers has completed twenty four

535
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Speaker 1: of first quarter passes. They've been jumping out to big

536
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Speaker 1: leads and cruising, and he has tied Tom Brady of

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Speaker 1: two thousand seven for the most consecutive games with three

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Speaker 1: touchdowns and no interceptions. He couldn't be playing any better.

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Speaker 1: In fact, Mike McCarthy said that after the game that

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Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers is so much better right now than he

541
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Speaker 1: was in his m v P two thousand eleven season,

542
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Speaker 1: which is one of the best seasons in NFL history.

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Speaker 1: I feel like he's been throwing three touchdowns and zero

544
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Speaker 1: interceptions with about two and twenty three yards every week

545
00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:47,000
Speaker 1: for five or six weeks now, and then they since

546
00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:48,960
Speaker 1: they're so far ahead, they just basically set him. His

547
00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:50,760
Speaker 1: numbers could be way better if they were in some

548
00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:54,240
Speaker 1: more competitive games. Absolutely, and I think his pastor writing

549
00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:56,439
Speaker 1: now is one seven teen point three. I believe in

550
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Speaker 1: Philip Rivers is one seven team point eight. Their neck

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Speaker 1: and neck. The Anthers have given up in their last

552
00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:04,840
Speaker 1: four games thirty seven, thirty four and thirty seven points.

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00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:07,960
Speaker 1: Their secondaries a mess. They missed a lot of tackles,

554
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:12,639
Speaker 1: too many penalties. They last year that dominant front seven

555
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:16,240
Speaker 1: protected the secondary. In the front seven isn't dominant anymore.

556
00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:19,760
Speaker 1: The secondary has been exposed and they don't really get

557
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:21,320
Speaker 1: after the pastor as much as they did in the

558
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:23,760
Speaker 1: past either. Greg Hardy's absence, how big has that been

559
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:25,760
Speaker 1: with this team? I think he's been really big. He's

560
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:27,920
Speaker 1: one of the best all around defensive ends in football.

561
00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:30,920
Speaker 1: And Charles Johnson in their pass thresh hasn't been doing.

562
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:34,159
Speaker 1: Charles Johnson, he hasn't played nearly as well as he

563
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:36,639
Speaker 1: did last year. Tell me what happened with Luke Kickley,

564
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:39,280
Speaker 1: because you seem to be, to use a Greg term

565
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:42,359
Speaker 1: hunking that he got jobbed. I thought he got jobbed

566
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Speaker 1: big time. To work on your usage of that man.

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00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:48,560
Speaker 1: That man was hunking. There was a scrum at the

568
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:51,640
Speaker 1: bottom of the pile and a man Hanks guys were

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00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:54,680
Speaker 1: pulling each other. He got up and a referee grabbed

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00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:57,160
Speaker 1: him from behind. Keickley didn't know it was a ref

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Speaker 1: and just kind of swung his arm and make contact

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Speaker 1: with the official and they they booted him out for

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Speaker 1: the contact, which I thought was bogus because the referee

574
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:09,360
Speaker 1: grabbed him from behind. Surprisingly, why not instantly play that?

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00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:14,240
Speaker 1: Good question. We sometimes get a big first impression of

576
00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:16,800
Speaker 1: a team and like that sticks for a while, Like

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00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:19,560
Speaker 1: the Bengals defense was. We thought they were good to

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00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:21,160
Speaker 1: start the year, but they've been one of the worst

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Speaker 1: groups in the league last three years. If the Packers

580
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:25,960
Speaker 1: had started this season with these five games, we would

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00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:29,760
Speaker 1: say this is a juggernaut team. That's like the Super

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Speaker 1: Bowl favorite. I mean, they have been as good as

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00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:34,520
Speaker 1: humanly possible for five weeks. Defense looked really good today

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00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:36,720
Speaker 1: to Cam Newton at his worst passing day of the year.

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00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:39,280
Speaker 1: Ha ha. Clinton Dix made his first start and led

586
00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:42,000
Speaker 1: the team in tackles. He played really well last week too.

587
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:44,600
Speaker 1: They looked like a better defense. I remember after the

588
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:49,960
Speaker 1: opening game on Thursday Nights standing in the defense of

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00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:55,280
Speaker 1: the defensive room of I'm gonna get this out. Just

590
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:58,280
Speaker 1: bear with me. Opening night of the season on Thursday

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Speaker 1: they I stood in the room where the pens of

592
00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:03,200
Speaker 1: coaches were for the Packers, and we talked on the

593
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:07,320
Speaker 1: podcast about how losing to the Seahawks UH put the

594
00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:09,960
Speaker 1: put the Packers in a really bad spot with tiebreakers

595
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:11,880
Speaker 1: and all that they have to have a better record.

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00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:13,680
Speaker 1: And now you look at the standings, you see these

597
00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:16,160
Speaker 1: Seahawks are five on the team. The Packers are rolling.

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00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:19,120
Speaker 1: They're in a good position to roll straight to the

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Speaker 1: number one seed. And so if they're playing like this,

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00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:23,080
Speaker 1: it's hard to imagine them losing too many games. Well,

601
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:26,480
Speaker 1: the Lions and the Cowboys and all sorts of teams

602
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:31,920
Speaker 1: have something to say about that. Andrew Luck through two

603
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:36,000
Speaker 1: touchdown passes and the Cincinnati Bengals didn't even show up

604
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:40,600
Speaker 1: on Sunday UH in Indianapolis, twenty seven win for the Colts.

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00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:44,040
Speaker 1: Luck had another great game, an MVP candidate for sure,

606
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Speaker 1: seven or forty two for three D forty four yards

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Speaker 1: and the Colts who started owing two of now one

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Speaker 1: five straight. Greg, you watch this game closely. India over

609
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Speaker 1: five hundred total yards. The Bengals didn't show up. What

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Speaker 1: what do you take away from this game? It's one

611
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:01,440
Speaker 1: of the biggest eight downs in the NFL this year.

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00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:04,280
Speaker 1: I guess that's obvious based on the score, and yet

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Speaker 1: it it felt like the score could have been worse

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00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:09,640
Speaker 1: for so much of this game. With about twelve minutes

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Speaker 1: to go, the total yardage was four forty three for

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Speaker 1: the Colts and forty seven for the Bengals. How does

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Speaker 1: that even I mean, that is Florida State versus Bethune

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00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:29,239
Speaker 1: Cookman on homecoming weekend. That's it didn't look like they

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Speaker 1: were playing they were both NFL team even in a

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Speaker 1: season where we've seen a lot of blowouts and many

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Speaker 1: of them. On Thursday at Football to Less Moon Vessels chagrined.

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Speaker 1: That's really bad right there. I don't know what to think.

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Speaker 1: I think the Bengals offense has excuses. They've been good

624
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:46,240
Speaker 1: most weeks. They've got enough talent with a j greenback

625
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:50,760
Speaker 1: that they'll be okay most weeks. It's the defense, because

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00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:52,680
Speaker 1: I think this team is only gonna be a team

627
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:54,600
Speaker 1: that wins games in the playoffs if the defense is

628
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Speaker 1: great and not not winning games in the playoffs. Why not,

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Speaker 1: That's not what they do. They can't have nice thinking.

630
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:03,600
Speaker 1: I just would if I was a Bengals fan, I'd

631
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:05,560
Speaker 1: be more worried about the fact that the defense has

632
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:08,280
Speaker 1: gone completely m I A for three straight weeks. We've

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00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:11,560
Speaker 1: taken a lot of grief for quote unquote hating on

634
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Speaker 1: Andy Dalton. But we've also known for three or four

635
00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:17,280
Speaker 1: years now that A. J. Green is the engine that

636
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:20,480
Speaker 1: drives us offense, not the quarterback. And we saw that today.

637
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:23,760
Speaker 1: We'll hold on. But last week we spent minutes saying,

638
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:25,960
Speaker 1: how wait, A J. Green is not in there and

639
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:29,000
Speaker 1: the Bengals are churning out thirty seven points and piling

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Speaker 1: up yardage, So what which is it? Well, I I

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Speaker 1: think the offense will be okay because of what we've

642
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Speaker 1: seen over the courses. He's I don't think Andy Dalton

643
00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:39,560
Speaker 1: has played any different this year than he has in

644
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:42,360
Speaker 1: the past. That was true last week and the week before,

645
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:44,440
Speaker 1: that was true every week. So he had a stinker here.

646
00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:48,440
Speaker 1: He's gonna have some stinkers the defense being this bad.

647
00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:50,440
Speaker 1: And and give the Colts credit. You were on this

648
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:53,760
Speaker 1: early West that this Colts defense is a lot better

649
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:56,320
Speaker 1: than they look on paper and and they've played talk

650
00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:58,560
Speaker 1: about it's kind of like the Packers. They've played as

651
00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:00,880
Speaker 1: well as any team the last weeks. They're on an

652
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:05,160
Speaker 1: incredible streak of not allowing third down conversions. The Bengals

653
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:07,320
Speaker 1: had eight or nine three announced to start the game

654
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 1: and it was like that to end the previous game.

655
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:12,760
Speaker 1: They're and they're really good on defense right now. You

656
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:15,440
Speaker 1: have to credit Chuck Pagana. We've knocked his coaching, but

657
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:21,680
Speaker 1: his defense is playing really well. The Cleveland Browns went

658
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:25,080
Speaker 1: into Jacksonville coming off a great win over Pittsburgh and

659
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:27,400
Speaker 1: it was time to get excited about the Browns and

660
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:30,120
Speaker 1: think they were gonna take the next step. Did not happen. Uh.

661
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:33,080
Speaker 1: Denard Robinson ran for a hundred and twenty seven yards

662
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 1: and a touchdown. That's the o W and Jacksonville's defense

663
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:41,600
Speaker 1: uh snuffed out any chance of comeback. Six win for

664
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Speaker 1: the Jaguars over the Browns. That ends the Jaguars nine

665
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:48,360
Speaker 1: game losing streak as a franchise. Uh. This is actually

666
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:50,960
Speaker 1: Jack's first time they've won a game since December fifteenth

667
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:55,040
Speaker 1: of last year. Uh. Mark you know again, as happens

668
00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:57,920
Speaker 1: every week, I get tweets people asking, oh, how's Mark doing?

669
00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:00,640
Speaker 1: You weren't doing very well? You were up that because

670
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:03,400
Speaker 1: this and yes I got I got a hero pick

671
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:05,240
Speaker 1: on this one. But I was never going to gloat

672
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:07,280
Speaker 1: about it because I knew this was this is something

673
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:08,960
Speaker 1: that could happen. But ness, I didn't want to see

674
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:13,800
Speaker 1: you hurt Mark, and you were hurting. That was kind

675
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:17,000
Speaker 1: of gloating. That wasn't gloating. But when the t D

676
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Speaker 1: drops the sound drop, here's the question, TD, did Dan

677
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:26,960
Speaker 1: contact you before the show for that drop? Yes he did. No, No,

678
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:31,280
Speaker 1: Dan would do that, and so don't throw Dan under

679
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:34,680
Speaker 1: a bus that doesn't exist. It's like I was gonna say,

680
00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:38,240
Speaker 1: I I was gonna say, he is not a rat.

681
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:40,280
Speaker 1: He won't do that. Yeah, well it wasn't. I mean,

682
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:43,160
Speaker 1: it was a very uh, you know, all phases of

683
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:46,240
Speaker 1: the game for Cleveland totally disappointing. There are two major

684
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:48,360
Speaker 1: issues that I see with the Browns right now. Number

685
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:51,600
Speaker 1: one is the loss of Alex mac If. If this

686
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:54,160
Speaker 1: is how it's going to be, they absolutely could not

687
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:57,280
Speaker 1: run the ball today. John Greco, who has never played center,

688
00:33:57,520 --> 00:34:00,960
Speaker 1: looked completely out of sync with Brian Hoyer. Offense was off,

689
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:03,480
Speaker 1: and then on defense, they're down to they've lost like

690
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:06,560
Speaker 1: four or five defensive lineman, and Denard Jackson or Denard

691
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:09,319
Speaker 1: Robinson excuse me, ran for a hundred and twenty plus

692
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:11,319
Speaker 1: yards on him. I mean, it was very ugly. And

693
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:15,279
Speaker 1: Mike Petton had a couple of wild coaching choices. You know,

694
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:17,120
Speaker 1: they had a chance to go up nine nothing right

695
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:20,040
Speaker 1: before the half. He went forward on fourth down. They

696
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:23,000
Speaker 1: didn't get it. And then Blake Bortles, who threw three

697
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:25,920
Speaker 1: picks on the day in this case, executed a perfect

698
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:28,359
Speaker 1: two minute drill and scored put them up seven six

699
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:30,399
Speaker 1: going into the half. I mean, everything that went wrong

700
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:34,720
Speaker 1: could Let's talk about Bryan Bryan Hoyer, because the numbers

701
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 1: are grim. He finished sixteen of forty one h on

702
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:41,279
Speaker 1: his throws, the average five point two yards for clip.

703
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:44,640
Speaker 1: That's barely above the Gabbard zone. This was a big

704
00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:46,320
Speaker 1: step back for a guy that had been trending in

705
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:48,200
Speaker 1: the right direction. Yeah, I mean, and it was another

706
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 1: case where you know, and Chris you wrote a great

707
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:53,840
Speaker 1: article about how the boot action with Kyle Shanahan is

708
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:55,719
Speaker 1: such a big part of what they do, and they

709
00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:57,960
Speaker 1: tried that again today and he would go in the

710
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:00,760
Speaker 1: opposite direction of the entire offensive line in the flow

711
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:02,880
Speaker 1: and there'll be no one open. And that's what's been

712
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:05,840
Speaker 1: different from you know, his wide receivers had a series

713
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:07,680
Speaker 1: of bad drops. It's one of those games they just

714
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:10,239
Speaker 1: look completely off and they got out played. You gotta

715
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:13,600
Speaker 1: give credit to Jacksonville. They played Pittsburgh close. They should

716
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:15,960
Speaker 1: have won last week against Tennessee. You knew it was

717
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:18,480
Speaker 1: gonna happen at some point. It happened today and here

718
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:21,960
Speaker 1: and here's the question now Brown's teams in the past,

719
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:23,960
Speaker 1: because there were three and two last year also and

720
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:26,799
Speaker 1: they finished four and twelve. The question now is are

721
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 1: the Browns going to completely self destruct or do they

722
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:33,520
Speaker 1: show that they are a different team this time around?

723
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:35,520
Speaker 1: And the schedule is still pretty soft coming up right.

724
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:37,320
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, I guess so, but I

725
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:39,879
Speaker 1: don't think any of these games are necessarily easy. We've

726
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:41,960
Speaker 1: learned that week to week. And you've got Derek Carr

727
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:44,279
Speaker 1: next week. And you know, Derek carrs made a lot

728
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:47,399
Speaker 1: of plays. I'm not saying, but that's what everyone said

729
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:49,719
Speaker 1: about Jacksonville. It's like everyone's, oh, they're gonna go six

730
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:52,160
Speaker 1: and two, while anyone who's watched Cleveland week to week,

731
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:56,439
Speaker 1: would say no automatic games for teams like Cleveland. There's

732
00:35:56,440 --> 00:36:00,560
Speaker 1: no automatic games for almost any team, Mikely, much less

733
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:02,920
Speaker 1: a mediocre like middle of the road team, which is

734
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:05,360
Speaker 1: what we see Cleveland's now. I'm middle. Not that's that's

735
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:07,759
Speaker 1: an improvement, but it's that's what they are point being.

736
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:09,960
Speaker 1: Last year they went one and ten after going through

737
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:12,399
Speaker 1: and three. Are they that team? I think they're better

738
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:14,359
Speaker 1: than that team based on what we've seen so far.

739
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 1: They're more organized, and they're better coach and there, and

740
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 1: I think that locker room is tight. But you've got

741
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 1: to come out next week and show that. I just

742
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 1: see how everyone sort of tiptoeing around criticizing the Brows.

743
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:31,759
Speaker 1: Come on, we had a terrible game. They had an

744
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 1: awful Dame and Greg are trying to be nice and

745
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:38,480
Speaker 1: I'm right in a post about on all time record

746
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:41,600
Speaker 1: breaker thing I can do. You want me to step

747
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:44,200
Speaker 1: in here. That's a terrible lot. I mean, that's a loss.

748
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:45,759
Speaker 1: At the end of the year, if the Browns are

749
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:49,600
Speaker 1: one game out, they'll they'll kill themselves exactly. Greg is

750
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 1: uh sideline right now a little bit because while we're

751
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:55,959
Speaker 1: taping Peyton Manning through his record breaking touchdown. Nobody really

752
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:57,480
Speaker 1: cares that we need to report on it like it's

753
00:36:57,520 --> 00:37:01,920
Speaker 1: the biggest thing that's ever happened. Uh Meanwhile, uh TD,

754
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:04,520
Speaker 1: your way off base, because there's no reason to destroy

755
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:07,280
Speaker 1: the Browns and say they're done. We're it's just saying

756
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:10,239
Speaker 1: pointing out that they weren't ready for this and and

757
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:11,920
Speaker 1: are they going to be able to bounce back. I

758
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:14,799
Speaker 1: don't know if very sophomoreic attempted by our producer to

759
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 1: drum up controversy, and that I give in this segment,

760
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:20,920
Speaker 1: this game segment, I give uh t D a hard

761
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:23,839
Speaker 1: D minus right now for his production trying to throw

762
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:26,399
Speaker 1: me under the bus on the drop. And now you're

763
00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:31,600
Speaker 1: calling us out. You are you know what, why don't

764
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:33,400
Speaker 1: you just walk out the door? This show will produce

765
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 1: itself going west. Do you have anything to add? No,

766
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:38,640
Speaker 1: I've been accused of piling on Mark when we talk

767
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:41,000
Speaker 1: about the Browns, and I don't want to do that.

768
00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:51,080
Speaker 1: We already talked about more than ready to move cult McCoy,

769
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:53,839
Speaker 1: Cult McCoy, Mark cult McCoy is just getting weird. Let

770
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:55,759
Speaker 1: yeh le's look at the right side. He replaced Kirk

771
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 1: Cousins at quarterback Kirk Cousins, who stinks uh. The Washington

772
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:01,480
Speaker 1: Redskins came and made some big plays in the second

773
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 1: half and they got a field goal to Gun to

774
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:08,799
Speaker 1: beat the Tennessee Titoons on Sunday. McCoy completed eleven of

775
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:11,560
Speaker 1: twelve passes for a hundred and twenty eight yards UH

776
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:15,440
Speaker 1: in the second half. So I told I when we

777
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:17,480
Speaker 1: talked about this on Thursday, I said, this was in

778
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:20,120
Speaker 1: a game I could get excited about West. What did

779
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:22,160
Speaker 1: you take out of this game? Is culte McCoy? Is

780
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:23,600
Speaker 1: he gonna be the starter next week? That he play

781
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:25,479
Speaker 1: well enough to keep Kirk Cousins on the bench until

782
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:28,840
Speaker 1: r G three returns well. Jake Gruden said after the

783
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:31,920
Speaker 1: game that RG three is going to practice on Wednesday

784
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:34,200
Speaker 1: and he might have a chance to play. I would

785
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:37,759
Speaker 1: I would suspect that let's sit one more week and

786
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:40,600
Speaker 1: quote McCoy should be the favorite. He outplayed Kirk Cousins,

787
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:43,960
Speaker 1: who is leading the NFL and turnovers, much to the

788
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:46,480
Speaker 1: chagrin of Joe Tisman, who thinks that Kirk Cousins is

789
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:49,120
Speaker 1: Johnny United. He had two more turnovers in the first

790
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:51,319
Speaker 1: half correct before they pulled him. He did. He had

791
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:55,000
Speaker 1: uh an interception and a fumble, and they both led

792
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:58,160
Speaker 1: to the Titans only two first half scores. The Titans

793
00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:01,600
Speaker 1: went into halftime head ten to six, even though they

794
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:05,560
Speaker 1: were being outplayed by the Redskins. I don't know. I

795
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:08,440
Speaker 1: look at this game. One question with Washington. Yeah they won,

796
00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:12,840
Speaker 1: But what's going on with Alfred Morris? Well, he's got

797
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:15,279
Speaker 1: he He has always played better with r G three

798
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:18,760
Speaker 1: in there because he keeps defenses. Honest, He's averaged about

799
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:22,160
Speaker 1: twenty five yards less per game and over a yard

800
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:25,360
Speaker 1: less per carry with Kirk Cousins under center in his career.

801
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:28,480
Speaker 1: I don't know. Looking at Tennessee, I mean, is there

802
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:31,200
Speaker 1: a team that is less? I had to watch them

803
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:33,360
Speaker 1: two weeks in a row, and it was I struggled

804
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:35,840
Speaker 1: to maintain just to stay a week at my desk.

805
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:43,600
Speaker 1: And we all love a clipboard Jesus Charlie Whitehurst as

806
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:46,719
Speaker 1: with his long flowing locks and his guitar playing, which

807
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:49,280
Speaker 1: he's struggling at. But I'll tell you one thing about Chaz,

808
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:52,880
Speaker 1: he's working at it. He's got He's like g Cord,

809
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 1: decord e chord. I don't know, he said, right, He

810
00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:58,920
Speaker 1: said in that interview with Nashville Weekly that he's still

811
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:01,400
Speaker 1: learning to play the guitar. Yeah, I would guess that

812
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:03,799
Speaker 1: he plays the guitar better than he plays quarterback, which

813
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:06,560
Speaker 1: is a very good Jake Locker starting next week. By

814
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:09,080
Speaker 1: the way, you thank you, Jake, thanks a lot for

815
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:12,319
Speaker 1: rejoining us. That means how long before we're writing new

816
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:15,120
Speaker 1: Jake Locker injury reports? Seven and a half days? And

817
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:18,360
Speaker 1: by the way, that's exactly what's wrong with the Titans.

818
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:20,040
Speaker 1: It's oh, gather, they're getting there. And I feel this

819
00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:21,480
Speaker 1: way a little bit about r G three at this

820
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:23,440
Speaker 1: stage too. I'm not I think that the third caravan

821
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:24,800
Speaker 1: in a row. We're getting fired up for r G

822
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:27,759
Speaker 1: three coming back. But but Jake Locker, it's like, what's

823
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:31,080
Speaker 1: to be excited about with this Titans team? Nothing we

824
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:34,640
Speaker 1: already knew that, I guess. Yeah, I'm sorry. That feels

825
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:36,440
Speaker 1: when you get out of jail and you get crackers,

826
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:38,439
Speaker 1: you think to the most delicious things you've ever eaten.

827
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:40,799
Speaker 1: If you don't have to watch, Charlie White has checked

828
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:43,879
Speaker 1: down all game. Jake Locker is a great cracker, will

829
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:46,640
Speaker 1: take it. Jake Locker is a great cracker. TD let's

830
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:49,640
Speaker 1: use that for the quote to sell this podcast. UM.

831
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Speaker 1: One final thought, somebody tweeted me at we're tailgating at

832
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:55,600
Speaker 1: the game this morning. I took a picture of someone

833
00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 1: tailgating in a Titoon's jersey and said they're real, they exist,

834
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:01,600
Speaker 1: and I asked him to touch it to see if

835
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:06,040
Speaker 1: it was not an illusion. Titans fanest. Yeah, so that's it.

836
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:08,279
Speaker 1: By the way, I am excited about r G three.

837
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:10,359
Speaker 1: I'm such a sucker for the guy. I can't wait

838
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:11,879
Speaker 1: till he comes back. See if he can play well.

839
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:13,839
Speaker 1: I don't know. I've seen a ton of him. He's

840
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:16,440
Speaker 1: been on every subway commercial three times a game, you know,

841
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:21,000
Speaker 1: every quarter. Underwhelming better than Jared Cairo Santos kicked the

842
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:23,560
Speaker 1: forty eight yard field goal with twenty one seconds to

843
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:26,719
Speaker 1: play and the Chiefs upset the San Diego Chargers, the

844
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Speaker 1: team of a t L San Dio charges twenty three

845
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:31,879
Speaker 1: to twenty on Sunday. That snaps San Diego's five game

846
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:35,600
Speaker 1: win streak. Chris Westling, this was a game where the

847
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:39,600
Speaker 1: Chiefs out charger the Chargers, wasn't it. It was? We've

848
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 1: seen the Chargers played keepaway late last year against the

849
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:47,120
Speaker 1: Broncos record breaking offense, and then early this year against

850
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:51,319
Speaker 1: the Seahawks in an upset, they played keep away ball

851
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:54,400
Speaker 1: control offense and the Chiefs were up at three to

852
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:57,719
Speaker 1: one time of possession advantage entering the fourth quarter, and

853
00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:02,440
Speaker 1: that's how they won. M hm H question for you.

854
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:07,440
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I didn't see a second of this,

855
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:09,560
Speaker 1: so Christian only person I can ask. I mean, I

856
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:11,440
Speaker 1: thought number one, they lined up with New England a

857
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:15,840
Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago and played Matt They dominated that matchup.

858
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:18,480
Speaker 1: Then it happens again today with with a new approach.

859
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:21,400
Speaker 1: It's Kansas City. We kind of all sold down the

860
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:23,600
Speaker 1: river after a couple of weeks. But they really have

861
00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:26,080
Speaker 1: not been a bat outside of Greg, who's waving his arms.

862
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:29,040
Speaker 1: I guess they haven't been a bad team since Week one. Really,

863
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 1: I think this is a Stevens season saving win for them.

864
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:34,719
Speaker 1: They're now five hundred. As Greg has pointed out, the

865
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:37,319
Speaker 1: only game in which they've really been outplayed tremendously was

866
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:40,239
Speaker 1: Week one. Since then, they've been fine. They've got the

867
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:42,239
Speaker 1: Jets and Rams up on the schedule. In the next

868
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:44,400
Speaker 1: two weeks. They could be five and three and right

869
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:46,840
Speaker 1: back in it. They're not exciting, but they're a good team.

870
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:49,080
Speaker 1: I I don't know. I just get give the credit

871
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:52,319
Speaker 1: to Andy Reid and Bob Sutton. They're in every game.

872
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:55,000
Speaker 1: It wouldn't surprise me at all if we're sitting there

873
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:57,200
Speaker 1: week seventeen and the Chiefs are playing a game to

874
00:42:57,239 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 1: try to get one of those wild cards. Sorry one.

875
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 1: I was gonna ask about Brandon Oliver because he's been

876
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:04,439
Speaker 1: outstanding two weeks in a row, and it's it didn't

877
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:06,719
Speaker 1: look like he flatlined today, But was it just a

878
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:09,680
Speaker 1: situational thing? He looked really good. They just never hit

879
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:13,200
Speaker 1: the ball. He couldn't rack up yards because Kansas City

880
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:16,440
Speaker 1: was possessing the ball the whole game. Let me ask

881
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:19,520
Speaker 1: you a question, Uh, as a nineteen eighty guy, like

882
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:21,799
Speaker 1: the old guys, they're still in the league, thirty four

883
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:24,239
Speaker 1: year old Antonio Gates. You made a great point and

884
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:27,399
Speaker 1: your your wrap up that Antonio Gates is the only

885
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:30,160
Speaker 1: player in the NFL with less touchdowns than Julius Thomas

886
00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:34,719
Speaker 1: right now? Is that correct? Uh? Do you phrase that awkwardly? Listen?

887
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:38,720
Speaker 1: Just imagine I phrased it. Imagine there are many players

888
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:41,000
Speaker 1: with a fewer touchdowns than Julius. You know what I

889
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:43,840
Speaker 1: was saying, Just keep rolling. I have a fewer touchdowns

890
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 1: than Julius. You have to concentrate on a post. It's done.

891
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:50,800
Speaker 1: It just gots anyway. Antonio Gates. All right, Antonio Gates

892
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:54,800
Speaker 1: is playing well. West take over. Yes, Julius taught Thomas

893
00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:57,160
Speaker 1: is the only player in the NFL with more touchdown

894
00:43:57,600 --> 00:44:02,839
Speaker 1: than Antonio Gates. Eight all. Gates had a nice back

895
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:05,880
Speaker 1: shoulder toe tapping grab right before halftime, and then a

896
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:08,200
Speaker 1: couple of plays later pulled in a tip pass in

897
00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:09,759
Speaker 1: the back of the end zone. He showed some great

898
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:13,200
Speaker 1: hands and basically that was a pass. What was that

899
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:16,479
Speaker 1: a tipped pass? Okay, it looked like that was gonna

900
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:18,480
Speaker 1: be a key drive in the game because the Chargers

901
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:20,960
Speaker 1: took the halftime lead, but then the Chiefs just took

902
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:22,560
Speaker 1: over in the third quarter and possessed the ball the

903
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:24,719
Speaker 1: whole time we're worried about the Chargers at all, is

904
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:26,520
Speaker 1: just just to slip up against the team that's better

905
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:28,759
Speaker 1: than we thought. I don't think we should be worried

906
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:30,920
Speaker 1: about the Chargers any more than any other five and

907
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:33,880
Speaker 1: two teams. Should we be worried that? As Greg correctly

908
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:37,480
Speaker 1: pointed out there is a distinct lack of excitement about

909
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 1: our pick for team of around the around the NFL. Yeah,

910
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:42,360
Speaker 1: not a lot of heat so far. I mean, what

911
00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:44,839
Speaker 1: do any of us ever you know, I gotta tell

912
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:46,640
Speaker 1: you something I saw about the Chargers. I mean, none

913
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:48,440
Speaker 1: of us have even talked about the Charges to each other.

914
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:50,719
Speaker 1: That's why I was hesitant to It doesn't make them

915
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:53,280
Speaker 1: the team a t L. They don't naturally excitement. Doesn't

916
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:56,280
Speaker 1: help that they haven't played remarkably well since we named them.

917
00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:58,239
Speaker 1: They barely beat the Raiders and then they got beat

918
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:02,320
Speaker 1: by the Chiefs. But listen, there are team, let's be honest, guys,

919
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:05,239
Speaker 1: you can actually bring it a little Cardinals. You know,

920
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:07,440
Speaker 1: the Cardinals were in that race. So there's actually a

921
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:10,000
Speaker 1: team out there that there's probably more deserving too. That

922
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:16,360
Speaker 1: team it's the Baltimore Ravens. Okay, wow, you know we

923
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:23,880
Speaker 1: just go on anymore. They were eliminated at the Ravens

924
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:26,319
Speaker 1: Twitter feet alone is enough for me to never up.

925
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:29,040
Speaker 1: The Cardinals are the team that got robbed a little bit.

926
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:32,200
Speaker 1: But to answer your question, Mark t your slip Chargers

927
00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:35,680
Speaker 1: got my coveted Saturday afternoon while my daughter's taking a

928
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:39,439
Speaker 1: nap All twenty two spot of the way, Well, I

929
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:42,120
Speaker 1: was not aware of. They were fun. Jason Brett, I

930
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:44,799
Speaker 1: really like him. He missed this game that was a

931
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:48,919
Speaker 1: big factor. So there, I'm excited. Yeah, it'll be fun.

932
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:53,040
Speaker 1: John D Bryan Tannehill through for two seventy seven yards

933
00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:57,440
Speaker 1: two touchdowns and the Dalvins beat the Bears fourteen the

934
00:45:57,520 --> 00:45:59,920
Speaker 1: Bears the Bears. The Bears are and three. It's so

935
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:02,480
Speaker 1: old your field And there were reports after the game

936
00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:05,560
Speaker 1: was some shouting between teammates, with Brandon Marshall in the

937
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:08,839
Speaker 1: middle of it all. We're having the line right now.

938
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:12,200
Speaker 1: One of the great men of modern times. He is

939
00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:16,200
Speaker 1: Kevin Patrick coming at you. How you doing, buddy, Hey, fellas,

940
00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:19,080
Speaker 1: what's going on? What's up? Hey? Patrick? Can you tell

941
00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:22,279
Speaker 1: us what transpired on the field in Chicago today that

942
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:24,839
Speaker 1: got everyone so fired up in the Chicago locker room?

943
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:29,640
Speaker 1: Reportedly reportedly, uh, nothing good from the Bear side. Looked

944
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:33,959
Speaker 1: to be frank. Jay Cutler looked terrible, to be frank

945
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:36,759
Speaker 1: about it. He had a really bad interception. He didn't

946
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:38,880
Speaker 1: get he didn't couldn't get rid of the ball. He

947
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:40,840
Speaker 1: was pressured all day, couldn't step up in the pocket.

948
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:43,560
Speaker 1: He was acting, was throwing off his back foot wild growth.

949
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:48,200
Speaker 1: So I'm going to spend another week with hearty discussions

950
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:50,880
Speaker 1: at bars about why j Cutler is or shoulder should

951
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:53,880
Speaker 1: not be the Bear's quarterback of the future. When you

952
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:58,319
Speaker 1: when the house burns in Chicago, it's always fun. You

953
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:01,880
Speaker 1: start your shifts every day at what either six or

954
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:05,960
Speaker 1: seven in the morning. That's some young recovery time you

955
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:08,360
Speaker 1: got there. He's probably going to the bar two in

956
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:14,120
Speaker 1: the afternoon, Chicago time. No comment. What did we see

957
00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:16,759
Speaker 1: from the winning team in this game? You know this

958
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:22,360
Speaker 1: is I liked how the unfrilled bill lasers often today?

959
00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:30,240
Speaker 1: Who Bill laser blazer? Okay, go ahead? Um anyway, Uh

960
00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:34,319
Speaker 1: nice TDS still on fire today, Maybe get a laser there?

961
00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:42,560
Speaker 1: All right, there we go, Uh, alright, go ahead. Ryan

962
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:46,160
Speaker 1: Tannehill completed his first four teen passes. He wasn't pinpoint

963
00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:47,880
Speaker 1: on it, but he got rid of the ball. He

964
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:49,920
Speaker 1: got it through receivers as a steers made from plays

965
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:53,160
Speaker 1: for him. Um, he was almost perfect through the almost

966
00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:57,320
Speaker 1: a fourth for whole first half. Uh, completely fourteen and

967
00:47:57,360 --> 00:48:01,440
Speaker 1: fifteen passes and what I liked, short quick grows. He

968
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:04,040
Speaker 1: didn't have to take a lot of drops. When he did,

969
00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:05,480
Speaker 1: he actually got fack most of the time when they

970
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:08,400
Speaker 1: tried to get deep routs going. But they moved him around,

971
00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:10,160
Speaker 1: got him out trying to pocket, and he was much

972
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:12,480
Speaker 1: more comfortable on the run. And at one point he

973
00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:15,239
Speaker 1: was leading the team in rushing yards with Sidney, so

974
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:17,920
Speaker 1: they got him involved in every fat I think maybe

975
00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:21,440
Speaker 1: maybe we owe Ryan Tannehill some a little bit of credit.

976
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:25,799
Speaker 1: Greg's boy famously many boys and Greg's stable, but Ryan Tannill, sorry,

977
00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:29,720
Speaker 1: one of them. Like some of the players, Ryan tanneh

978
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:33,399
Speaker 1: who if you remember, it wasn't that long ago that

979
00:48:33,719 --> 00:48:37,000
Speaker 1: their head coach was making a huge sharade of himself

980
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:40,520
Speaker 1: and saying he wouldn't name a quarterback and Matt Moore

981
00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:42,719
Speaker 1: was all of a sudden someone that would be uh,

982
00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:46,640
Speaker 1: someone making an impact potentially in South Florida. Instead, Ryan

983
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:50,120
Speaker 1: Tannehill is now playing in a nice level and the Dolphins, Greg,

984
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:53,600
Speaker 1: you were talking about it downstairs, legitimately a frisky team.

985
00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:56,480
Speaker 1: I think the Dolphins they're they're pretty similar to the

986
00:48:56,520 --> 00:48:59,919
Speaker 1: Bills that they have a legit top ten defense that's

987
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:02,720
Speaker 1: got to create problems for anyone that's struggling to protect

988
00:49:02,719 --> 00:49:04,920
Speaker 1: and give them a chance to win every week. I

989
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:08,040
Speaker 1: mean the Bears, their tackles haven't been playing well. They're

990
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:12,280
Speaker 1: banged up. Patrick talked about the pressure. Miami's defense is legit,

991
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:15,160
Speaker 1: very good. I feel like we never know what to

992
00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:17,200
Speaker 1: say about the Bears every week because we don't know

993
00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:22,040
Speaker 1: who they are there. We can't predict them. We for

994
00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:24,719
Speaker 1: three games this year, we've had what we call a

995
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:28,400
Speaker 1: zero pick, which is that all of us got them wrong.

996
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:30,920
Speaker 1: We all picked them to win, to lose against the

997
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:33,400
Speaker 1: Jets and they won. We picked them to lose against

998
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:35,080
Speaker 1: the Falcons and they want And then today we picked

999
00:49:35,080 --> 00:49:37,040
Speaker 1: them to win and they lose. And guess what. And Patrick,

1000
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:38,680
Speaker 1: you could tell me if I'm wrong about this. But

1001
00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:42,919
Speaker 1: next August will be reading and unfortunately writing about how

1002
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:45,960
Speaker 1: Ja Cutler is ready to take the next step as

1003
00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:49,160
Speaker 1: a quarterback. Yes or no, Kevin Patrick, No, absolutely not.

1004
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:51,440
Speaker 1: We could make the pack from maybe like blood brothers

1005
00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:53,359
Speaker 1: that we will not do that. All right, let's do it.

1006
00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:56,680
Speaker 1: I agree. I agree these little bar arguments about Cutler

1007
00:49:56,719 --> 00:49:59,440
Speaker 1: being the quarterback of the future. Does in his fifty

1008
00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:03,160
Speaker 1: four million guaranteed make him the quarterback? Well, no, I'm

1009
00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:06,640
Speaker 1: not I'm just saying we have. There's hearty discussions. Whenever

1010
00:50:06,680 --> 00:50:09,360
Speaker 1: somebody finds out that I write right about football. Every

1011
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:11,680
Speaker 1: that's number one go to questions one way or the other.

1012
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:13,919
Speaker 1: Whether I'm one side, brother, I would take the opposite side,

1013
00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:16,360
Speaker 1: just because that's who I am. The Bears have not

1014
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:19,000
Speaker 1: won a home game this year, and their next two

1015
00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:23,120
Speaker 1: games are on the road, New England and then Green Bay.

1016
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:25,600
Speaker 1: So if you don't pull off a big upset in

1017
00:50:25,640 --> 00:50:27,839
Speaker 1: one of those two, you're staring at three and six?

1018
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:30,160
Speaker 1: Aren't the Blackhawks the last Chicago team to win? And

1019
00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:35,600
Speaker 1: Soldier Field n HL heat Kevin Patrick, if you end

1020
00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:37,879
Speaker 1: up in one of those arguments tonight at the bar,

1021
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:39,520
Speaker 1: I know your man has been in brawls and you

1022
00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:42,880
Speaker 1: fight sometimes in parking lots. Let's just keep it safe, buddy,

1023
00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:45,959
Speaker 1: keep it safe and have a good night. But thanks

1024
00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:52,000
Speaker 1: a lot going for Carson. Palmer threw two touchdown passes

1025
00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:54,400
Speaker 1: his first game back at the black Hole since his trade,

1026
00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:57,880
Speaker 1: and the Cardinals uh set the Raiders to their twelve

1027
00:50:58,040 --> 00:51:04,200
Speaker 1: straight loss going back to last year win for the Cardinals. Mark.

1028
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:07,640
Speaker 1: The Cardinals are after their best start since a year

1029
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:10,480
Speaker 1: you remember well, Mark nineteen seventy six there in first place,

1030
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:14,640
Speaker 1: allegedly loaded NFC West. Is it time to take them

1031
00:51:14,680 --> 00:51:17,920
Speaker 1: seriously as a contender. I would definitely take him seriously.

1032
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:20,640
Speaker 1: It's uh, you know, I love Carson Palmer or not.

1033
00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:27,520
Speaker 1: He's not everyone's necessarily, but today starts out eleven of thirteen.

1034
00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:30,520
Speaker 1: I think it is two touchdowns looked very good. Oakland

1035
00:51:30,560 --> 00:51:33,239
Speaker 1: did a solid job of kind of closing down there,

1036
00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:37,040
Speaker 1: big play passing offense down the stretch. But one thing

1037
00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:39,120
Speaker 1: about the Cardinals, and you know, we had a discussion

1038
00:51:39,120 --> 00:51:41,360
Speaker 1: about Andrea Ellington in the office, is he he's not

1039
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:43,319
Speaker 1: a featured back? What are they missing because they don't

1040
00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:45,120
Speaker 1: have a kind of a thunder to his lightning his

1041
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:48,480
Speaker 1: Westling put it. But he is very effective that he's

1042
00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:50,400
Speaker 1: essentially part of the running game to me as the

1043
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:53,000
Speaker 1: screen game where they get him out in space. You know,

1044
00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:56,000
Speaker 1: he had seventy two yards receiving today and a lot

1045
00:51:56,000 --> 00:51:58,440
Speaker 1: of that came through those kinds of plays, and they

1046
00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:00,799
Speaker 1: he also accounted I think for seven six of eighty

1047
00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:04,960
Speaker 1: yards and what was essentially the game deciding drive. Oakland

1048
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:06,480
Speaker 1: hung in there, but this was the drive that kind

1049
00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:09,160
Speaker 1: of broke the back and Ellington was the heart of it.

1050
00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:13,000
Speaker 1: I've got a question about rookie quarterbacks. You watched all

1051
00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:16,880
Speaker 1: three of them today and you did You've been our

1052
00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:20,719
Speaker 1: rookie correspund and did an article on the quarterbacks. If

1053
00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:22,520
Speaker 1: you had to pick right now. I know a lot

1054
00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:24,719
Speaker 1: of people are high on Derek Carr and his his

1055
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:29,640
Speaker 1: arm looks amazing. Um Teddy Bridgewater has shown flashes. Blake Bortles,

1056
00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:31,120
Speaker 1: I know you're a big fan. If you had to

1057
00:52:31,160 --> 00:52:34,080
Speaker 1: pick one of them to build your team around going forward,

1058
00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:36,880
Speaker 1: who would it be? I would go Bordles. That's I

1059
00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:39,600
Speaker 1: don't for me. He's thrown a lot of interceptions, but

1060
00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:41,440
Speaker 1: part of that just comes from the team he's on

1061
00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:45,120
Speaker 1: and the issues there and the protection. But Car is

1062
00:52:45,160 --> 00:52:47,680
Speaker 1: a close second. He's really started to pick up in

1063
00:52:47,719 --> 00:52:50,400
Speaker 1: the last couple of weeks. A couple of presses. I

1064
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:52,839
Speaker 1: mean today, there's something around Car that's the issue. They've

1065
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:55,440
Speaker 1: got no running game, and I like some of the

1066
00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:58,800
Speaker 1: young receivers, but both of those quarterbacks have talent poor offenses.

1067
00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:01,319
Speaker 1: Here's a damning out about that running game. Over the

1068
00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:04,640
Speaker 1: last three years, Darren McFadden has been under four yards

1069
00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:08,680
Speaker 1: per carrying of his games. He looks like it too.

1070
00:53:08,719 --> 00:53:11,440
Speaker 1: You should give I mean we've we've given them credit,

1071
00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:15,440
Speaker 1: but Todd Bowles and this defense, we're just getting used

1072
00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:18,560
Speaker 1: to them finding ways to make it, you know, look

1073
00:53:18,600 --> 00:53:22,480
Speaker 1: good with guys like Larry Foot and Kevin Minter and

1074
00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:26,040
Speaker 1: Tony Jefferson and Sam Aco and like the this is

1075
00:53:26,080 --> 00:53:29,440
Speaker 1: their defense and yet they only have one loss this season.

1076
00:53:29,560 --> 00:53:32,520
Speaker 1: Who would have thought last year when West's first softball

1077
00:53:32,560 --> 00:53:36,080
Speaker 1: pants bet was that the Raiders would not get to

1078
00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:38,200
Speaker 1: five wins. There are four and six. At one point

1079
00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:41,200
Speaker 1: last year, West looked to be in trouble. They've lost

1080
00:53:41,239 --> 00:53:44,279
Speaker 1: every game since then, and they're still looking for a

1081
00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:47,239
Speaker 1: win since last November or whatever. Uh, this is a

1082
00:53:47,239 --> 00:53:50,480
Speaker 1: franchise that continues to be just lost in space, which

1083
00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:54,959
Speaker 1: Darnell Darnell Dockett was only too happy to remind during

1084
00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:57,360
Speaker 1: the game. That's right. He held up a big safe

1085
00:53:57,400 --> 00:53:59,759
Speaker 1: sign to the fans at the end. Were steam in

1086
00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:03,920
Speaker 1: the NFL and six faced on the end. And by

1087
00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:05,759
Speaker 1: the way, we're getting a lot of tweets we have

1088
00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:08,759
Speaker 1: not forgotten about West eating a softball pants for his

1089
00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:12,760
Speaker 1: Brian Hoyer Johnny Manzel wager, that's just a matter of timing.

1090
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:17,040
Speaker 1: It will happen. West There's gonna be Nylon. I'm actually

1091
00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:19,439
Speaker 1: looking forward to parts. I think it would be fun.

1092
00:54:22,239 --> 00:54:24,399
Speaker 1: We're in a very busy season, so I mean, I'm

1093
00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:26,040
Speaker 1: not saying we wait, but we don't want lose a

1094
00:54:26,080 --> 00:54:29,000
Speaker 1: writer right now, so oh yeah, we'll put although we

1095
00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:36,120
Speaker 1: got Connor in the mix. The Man which takes us

1096
00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:39,960
Speaker 1: to Sunday Night Football, which was really the Peyton Manning Show.

1097
00:54:40,360 --> 00:54:43,920
Speaker 1: The great quarterback broke Brett Farves record for touchdown passes

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00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:48,320
Speaker 1: in a career, leading the Broncos to a seventeen blowout

1099
00:54:48,320 --> 00:54:51,880
Speaker 1: win over the San Francisco forty Niners, ending the Niners

1100
00:54:52,560 --> 00:54:58,080
Speaker 1: three game winning streak. Gentlemen, we we all watch this game.

1101
00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:02,560
Speaker 1: It was not ever really close. The The Broncos were

1102
00:55:02,560 --> 00:55:06,359
Speaker 1: in control from the very beginning in what was Manning's night.

1103
00:55:06,360 --> 00:55:10,560
Speaker 1: Not only Chris Westling did Peyton Manning set the touchdown record.

1104
00:55:10,560 --> 00:55:12,520
Speaker 1: He did it on the night that was among the

1105
00:55:12,560 --> 00:55:15,959
Speaker 1: best nights in his storied career. He felt just one

1106
00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:18,839
Speaker 1: point shy of a perfect passer rating. It was one

1107
00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:21,880
Speaker 1: of the ten best games by efficiency in his entire career.

1108
00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:24,800
Speaker 1: He threw his fourth touchdown passed just a few minutes

1109
00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:27,080
Speaker 1: into the third quarter and then they just coasted from there.

1110
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:31,080
Speaker 1: We knew like with Damarius Thomas healthy as he has

1111
00:55:31,080 --> 00:55:33,360
Speaker 1: been over the last couple of weeks, the hottest receiver

1112
00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:35,879
Speaker 1: in the NFL, this is starting to look a lot

1113
00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:38,640
Speaker 1: like the Denver offense that we saw last year. Where

1114
00:55:38,680 --> 00:55:42,120
Speaker 1: we've talked on this show already tonight about other teams

1115
00:55:42,160 --> 00:55:44,560
Speaker 1: in the a f C, North and West and whatever.

1116
00:55:45,080 --> 00:55:47,279
Speaker 1: I don't see a team in the NFC they can

1117
00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:49,839
Speaker 1: at this stage right now really touch what they're doing.

1118
00:55:50,080 --> 00:55:53,920
Speaker 1: And Ronnie Hillman John Thompson the average over five yards

1119
00:55:54,360 --> 00:55:56,719
Speaker 1: per carry, but we probably shouldn't get too far off

1120
00:55:56,760 --> 00:56:01,279
Speaker 1: of Manning. I mean four touchdowns for incomplete Estan's I

1121
00:56:01,360 --> 00:56:04,040
Speaker 1: just think back to when he signed with Denver and

1122
00:56:04,080 --> 00:56:06,760
Speaker 1: he was doing the free agent tour that the Bronco

1123
00:56:06,920 --> 00:56:10,880
Speaker 1: signed him to a year by year contract because no

1124
00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:13,399
Speaker 1: one was really sure if he was going to make

1125
00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:16,319
Speaker 1: it through one season. And here he is not only

1126
00:56:16,360 --> 00:56:20,920
Speaker 1: breaking Brett Farve's all time record, but nineteen touchdowns, three interceptions.

1127
00:56:21,560 --> 00:56:24,600
Speaker 1: He faces Philip Rivers on Thursday Night, the Broncos win

1128
00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:28,080
Speaker 1: that game, we do those mid mid season MVP awards.

1129
00:56:28,080 --> 00:56:30,520
Speaker 1: It's like he Well, maybe it's Peyton Mannaging and you know,

1130
00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:34,040
Speaker 1: he is so much better than anyone else has ever been.

1131
00:56:34,640 --> 00:56:36,400
Speaker 1: And you know, my Jets are not going to be

1132
00:56:36,440 --> 00:56:40,000
Speaker 1: in the mix by January. I'm openly will be rooting

1133
00:56:40,040 --> 00:56:41,680
Speaker 1: for Peyton Manning to win a Super Bowl because I'm

1134
00:56:41,680 --> 00:56:44,840
Speaker 1: so sick of everyone, you know, using the playoffs and

1135
00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:47,319
Speaker 1: out not to give Manning the respect. He's do what

1136
00:56:47,480 --> 00:56:50,279
Speaker 1: this guy is doing again. He's doing it again. He's

1137
00:56:50,360 --> 00:56:53,000
Speaker 1: thirty eight years old and again he's putting up insane

1138
00:56:53,080 --> 00:56:56,320
Speaker 1: incredible numbers and all he needs is that last super

1139
00:56:56,320 --> 00:56:59,000
Speaker 1: Bowl and no one will ever question that he's the best.

1140
00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:01,279
Speaker 1: So I'm behind. I'm on the paint Manning train of

1141
00:57:01,360 --> 00:57:05,920
Speaker 1: bride and hard. He's there's never gonna be consensus on

1142
00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:08,440
Speaker 1: who the best quarterback in NFL history is. Yeah, I

1143
00:57:08,520 --> 00:57:10,480
Speaker 1: agree with that. I can't. I think you can make

1144
00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:13,080
Speaker 1: the case for him. But yeah, but if he throws

1145
00:57:13,120 --> 00:57:16,600
Speaker 1: six hundred touchdown passes and wins two super Bowls and

1146
00:57:16,640 --> 00:57:18,480
Speaker 1: he gets the two others, I feel like that's a

1147
00:57:18,480 --> 00:57:20,680
Speaker 1: pretty strong case. I think it's hard for a lot

1148
00:57:20,720 --> 00:57:23,800
Speaker 1: of fans around the league. You watch what the Broncos

1149
00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:26,840
Speaker 1: did tonight, which is completely dissemble. A team that was

1150
00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:28,640
Speaker 1: in the Super Bowl too season and he was playing

1151
00:57:28,680 --> 00:57:30,919
Speaker 1: really well. This playing really well, and then you look

1152
00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:34,600
Speaker 1: at like twenty four other quarterbacks around the league and

1153
00:57:34,640 --> 00:57:37,080
Speaker 1: it's like, wait a minute, my team has abs will

1154
00:57:37,160 --> 00:57:40,200
Speaker 1: never You'll never see quarterback like play like this ever

1155
00:57:40,240 --> 00:57:41,840
Speaker 1: again on your own team. If you're a fan of

1156
00:57:41,840 --> 00:57:45,560
Speaker 1: the Titans or the Jets, of the Browns, the y,

1157
00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:48,560
Speaker 1: I can enjoy it, but it's I'm actually complimenting man

1158
00:57:48,680 --> 00:57:50,680
Speaker 1: by saying that's how far and away he is from

1159
00:57:50,720 --> 00:57:53,400
Speaker 1: everyone else. To my point that we instead of people

1160
00:57:53,480 --> 00:57:55,880
Speaker 1: giving Manning a hard time, just enjoy what we're seeing

1161
00:57:55,960 --> 00:57:58,439
Speaker 1: right now. This is so special what this guy's doing.

1162
00:57:58,680 --> 00:58:01,040
Speaker 1: It's outrageous how good this then is. To put it

1163
00:58:01,040 --> 00:58:04,880
Speaker 1: into perspective. Chase Stewart of football Pro Football Reference had

1164
00:58:04,880 --> 00:58:08,840
Speaker 1: a nice uh stats saying that Alex Smith has under

1165
00:58:08,880 --> 00:58:11,320
Speaker 1: an eleven I believe touchdowns in his career a hundred

1166
00:58:11,360 --> 00:58:14,160
Speaker 1: thirteen and Peyton Manning basically has the same amount since

1167
00:58:14,200 --> 00:58:17,720
Speaker 1: he signed with the Broncos two years ago. What about

1168
00:58:17,720 --> 00:58:20,480
Speaker 1: the let's just go to the Niners real quick? Uh?

1169
00:58:20,520 --> 00:58:22,520
Speaker 1: You know, Greg, something I want to take issue with you.

1170
00:58:22,520 --> 00:58:25,400
Speaker 1: You said on our last podcast, this is your boss

1171
00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:27,440
Speaker 1: to just speak careful. This will be done with all

1172
00:58:27,520 --> 00:58:30,760
Speaker 1: due respects. Sir, you're wearing a book bag right now.

1173
00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:35,480
Speaker 1: You can't leave. You're leaning forward because you have a

1174
00:58:36,160 --> 00:58:39,200
Speaker 1: very professional though. Uh, the listeners would have never known,

1175
00:58:39,240 --> 00:58:41,640
Speaker 1: but I will tell you this, Greg, we talked about

1176
00:58:41,840 --> 00:58:44,680
Speaker 1: how the Niners were playing better. And you know, if

1177
00:58:44,920 --> 00:58:47,280
Speaker 1: I said, you know, if they deliver a nice performance

1178
00:58:47,320 --> 00:58:49,080
Speaker 1: in Denver and play a good game, we'll know they're

1179
00:58:49,120 --> 00:58:51,000
Speaker 1: all the way back. And then Greg said they are

1180
00:58:51,040 --> 00:58:52,919
Speaker 1: all the way back. Now, They're not all the way back.

1181
00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:55,320
Speaker 1: This was you gotta at least be competitive in this spot.

1182
00:58:55,560 --> 00:58:57,439
Speaker 1: And they played a horrible game there four and three.

1183
00:58:57,440 --> 00:58:59,840
Speaker 1: They're they're okay, They're gonna be fine, but this the

1184
00:59:00,200 --> 00:59:02,439
Speaker 1: still has some things to work out. But there are

1185
00:59:03,040 --> 00:59:07,880
Speaker 1: reasons that they've struggled defensively. They're missing all their best

1186
00:59:07,880 --> 00:59:10,360
Speaker 1: players and a lot of them. Their three best on

1187
00:59:10,520 --> 00:59:12,840
Speaker 1: defense are coming back. Patrick Willis will get back in

1188
00:59:12,880 --> 00:59:17,040
Speaker 1: the mix, Navar Bowman, Alden Smith. They got blasted by

1189
00:59:17,080 --> 00:59:19,760
Speaker 1: the Seahawks last year. Early in the season, they recovered.

1190
00:59:19,920 --> 00:59:23,520
Speaker 1: They got blasted by the Seahawks a couple of years ago. Uh,

1191
00:59:23,520 --> 00:59:25,720
Speaker 1: and still played pretty well in the playoffs and nearly

1192
00:59:25,720 --> 00:59:27,600
Speaker 1: won the Super Bowl. You know it happens. You get

1193
00:59:27,640 --> 00:59:29,960
Speaker 1: blasted on the road against the best team in the NFL,

1194
00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:31,680
Speaker 1: and the Denver might be the best name in the NFL.

1195
00:59:31,880 --> 00:59:33,480
Speaker 1: The one counter to that, because West I knew you

1196
00:59:33,560 --> 00:59:37,440
Speaker 1: were saying something similar also was Yeah, Navarre Bowman's coming back.

1197
00:59:37,480 --> 00:59:39,360
Speaker 1: Aldon Smith is coming back. We don't know if they're

1198
00:59:39,320 --> 00:59:41,480
Speaker 1: gonna come back and be those guys though, either, so

1199
00:59:41,560 --> 00:59:43,560
Speaker 1: to assume that they're gonna come back and be monster

1200
00:59:43,640 --> 00:59:46,560
Speaker 1: all pro type guys too far. If you look at

1201
00:59:46,560 --> 00:59:48,840
Speaker 1: the Broncos, I mean a c L surgeries or nothing.

1202
00:59:48,960 --> 00:59:52,520
Speaker 1: Chris Harris and Von Miller, you know they're better than

1203
00:59:52,520 --> 00:59:56,720
Speaker 1: the Broncos defense. Von Miller now leading the NFL and

1204
00:59:56,760 --> 00:59:59,240
Speaker 1: sacks has been great against the run to Marcus ware

1205
00:59:59,320 --> 01:00:01,840
Speaker 1: second in the end filling sacks. They've combined for fifteen

1206
01:00:02,680 --> 01:00:05,680
Speaker 1: they look great. I think Greg's right, you have to

1207
01:00:05,720 --> 01:00:07,080
Speaker 1: talk about this team is the best team in the

1208
01:00:07,160 --> 01:00:10,600
Speaker 1: NFL right now. And my sandwich proposition, by the way,

1209
01:00:11,240 --> 01:00:13,400
Speaker 1: J J. Watt would have more sacks than von Miller

1210
01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:16,480
Speaker 1: and DeMarcus where combined. I picked literally the two worst

1211
01:00:16,480 --> 01:00:20,520
Speaker 1: players to go against j J, which is always an achievement.

1212
01:00:20,640 --> 01:00:22,040
Speaker 1: I feel like you guys should let me off the

1213
01:00:22,080 --> 01:00:24,120
Speaker 1: hook because I somehow managed to hit on the two

1214
01:00:24,160 --> 01:00:27,120
Speaker 1: best sack masters. And conversely, I think you should just

1215
01:00:27,160 --> 01:00:31,000
Speaker 1: go by the sandwiches tomorrow. Maybe I won't blame me

1216
01:00:31,080 --> 01:00:32,320
Speaker 1: for bringing that up, because I know you were just

1217
01:00:32,360 --> 01:00:34,920
Speaker 1: having fun. But it's fun for me to enjoy the

1218
01:00:35,000 --> 01:00:37,320
Speaker 1: ride along the way. I'm in on it now too,

1219
01:00:37,320 --> 01:00:39,760
Speaker 1: because these guys might go thirty sacks together. I like

1220
01:00:39,920 --> 01:00:44,080
Speaker 1: Joe Horgan from the Hall of Fame, taking Peyton Manning's records,

1221
01:00:44,080 --> 01:00:47,960
Speaker 1: setting football, putting into a little brown bag and vanishing.

1222
01:00:48,480 --> 01:00:53,480
Speaker 1: Everyone just assumes he'll go back and about disappear into

1223
01:00:53,560 --> 01:00:57,640
Speaker 1: Middle Europe with what is the most I don't know whatever,

1224
01:00:59,760 --> 01:01:02,880
Speaker 1: Well somewhere unfindable. I've got this thing. The NFL wants

1225
01:01:03,080 --> 01:01:05,400
Speaker 1: you come get me. By the way, we're as we're

1226
01:01:05,440 --> 01:01:08,680
Speaker 1: talking about bad sandwich bets here t D. Do you

1227
01:01:08,760 --> 01:01:13,160
Speaker 1: remember your Calvin Johnson's gonna score twenty five touchdowns Shenanigans?

1228
01:01:13,280 --> 01:01:15,640
Speaker 1: I do remember that. Yes, I'm learned by it since

1229
01:01:15,640 --> 01:01:17,520
Speaker 1: he's on my fantasy team. I yes, and fairness, it

1230
01:01:17,600 --> 01:01:19,720
Speaker 1: was twenty four. I believe he had a break Randy

1231
01:01:19,760 --> 01:01:23,480
Speaker 1: Mosson's record, which is again won't happen. I'm not shining

1232
01:01:23,480 --> 01:01:25,320
Speaker 1: away from it. I thought this was the Yeah, Calvin

1233
01:01:25,360 --> 01:01:28,720
Speaker 1: would again dominated have his best career, best season, Yet

1234
01:01:28,840 --> 01:01:30,840
Speaker 1: he just got injured. It's gonna be very expensive to

1235
01:01:30,880 --> 01:01:33,480
Speaker 1: you because we're gonna pick some sandwiches that are going

1236
01:01:33,520 --> 01:01:37,360
Speaker 1: to be costly. Give give it. I thought you said

1237
01:01:37,360 --> 01:01:40,640
Speaker 1: you were gonna use that drop anymore. Um, but yeah,

1238
01:01:40,680 --> 01:01:43,080
Speaker 1: but just I like that TD's comment that if he

1239
01:01:43,080 --> 01:01:46,840
Speaker 1: didn't hurt his ankle was gonna happen that best season ever,

1240
01:01:47,000 --> 01:01:50,520
Speaker 1: still have like nine touchdowns, TD predicted. All right, So

1241
01:01:50,560 --> 01:01:52,840
Speaker 1: that's it. That's it for weeks seven, at least week

1242
01:01:52,880 --> 01:01:55,840
Speaker 1: seven through Sunday. We have one more Monday night game,

1243
01:01:55,920 --> 01:01:59,800
Speaker 1: but we'll be back on Wednesday. Thank you for listening

1244
01:01:59,800 --> 01:02:02,680
Speaker 1: to our show. And the wheel goes round and round

1245
01:02:02,720 --> 01:02:05,040
Speaker 1: and round. Signing off, this Dan jansis for the Sizzler,

1246
01:02:05,320 --> 01:02:10,360
Speaker 1: the Mailman, the Boss until d behind the Glass later

1247
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Speaker 1: h