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Speaker 1: warm and beautiful loss Angelus. It's the Hurd wherever you

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Speaker 1: for making us your choice today one hour from now.

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Speaker 1: Where Colin was right, where Colin was wrong. Well, we

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Speaker 1: said before the season, Jmax said Chiefs won't make the playoffs.

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Speaker 1: I said they will. But the dynasty is over and

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Speaker 1: it looks like this is how they end, and you

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Speaker 1: were watching it last night, so trust your eyes.

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Speaker 3: They look a little slower.

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Speaker 1: They don't look like Seattle, they don't look like the Packers.

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Speaker 1: Travis Kelce another big drop. They can't generate a consistent

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Speaker 1: pass rush. The O line got pushed around. They don't

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Speaker 1: have a running game. Even Andy Reid tie game kind

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Speaker 1: of takes a big swing. Didn't have to gave the

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Speaker 1: Texans points. So this is how dynasties end. They don't

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Speaker 1: fall off a cliff. They dominate for years, go to

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Speaker 1: Super Bowls, win, win Super Bowls, and then they start

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Speaker 1: winning really close games. That was Kansas City last year,

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Speaker 1: and then they start losing all those close games. Oh wait,

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Speaker 1: that's Kansas City this year. So again, you watched the

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Speaker 1: Rams yesterday, you watched Seattle in a blowout win. You

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Speaker 1: watched Green Bay or the Lions. You see the youth

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Speaker 1: an aggressive and speed and remarkably electric players. I saw

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Speaker 1: some of that from the Texans last night. There's no

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Speaker 1: question watching that game and I thought, uh, warm weather's

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Speaker 1: Houston up in the cold weather. Texans were a better team.

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Speaker 1: Mora lead athletes. Now, when they pay CJ. Stroud, you know,

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Speaker 1: four hundred million plus, they'll start looking like Kansas City.

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Speaker 1: But I mean again, Patrick Mahomes once again had to

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Speaker 1: be They don't want him to be the leading rusher.

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Speaker 1: That's not what Kansas City wants. But Mahomes had to

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Speaker 1: be the leading rusher. And do you know what the

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Speaker 1: Chiefs are when he is zero to four this year?

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Speaker 1: They don't want him to be the leading rusher. They

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Speaker 1: don't want him to take those hits. Travis Kelsey. It's over,

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Speaker 1: Bret Veachs. The GM's got to rebuild that D line

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Speaker 3: They got to hit on their draft picks.

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Speaker 1: But this is what happens when you pay a superstar

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Speaker 1: in the bottom of the second, and the bottom of

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Speaker 1: the third, teams catch up. The NFL doesn't want dynasties.

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Speaker 1: They don't need dynasties. Everybody gets huge ratings these days.

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Speaker 1: What they want is you can be dominant for a

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Speaker 1: few years. We'd love you to have a superstar quarterback,

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Speaker 1: but you're gonna get lousy draft picks and you're gonna

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Speaker 1: have to pay him, and the roster is gonna get thin.

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Speaker 1: And when I watch Kansas this is why Brady in

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Speaker 1: New England kept rebooting their you know, their tight ends,

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Speaker 1: they're wide receivers, they're running backs, they're all line with

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Speaker 1: very few exceptions. I mean Kansas City this year on

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Speaker 1: third down. Third down's my favorite down in the NFL

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Speaker 1: because you can judge a lot, you can judge coaching

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Speaker 1: line play, how smart your quarterback is. Kansas City this

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Speaker 1: year thirty five percent on third down. That's what the

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Speaker 1: Raiders and Jets territory is. So they're just that's the

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Speaker 1: reality of But trust your eyes and you can call

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Speaker 1: Kansas City they need a reboot. I think it's closer

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Speaker 1: to a rebuild. That offensive line is a mile from

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Speaker 1: the Rams, it's a mile from the bron I watched

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Speaker 1: Bonix is twenty five thirty. It's just pitching catch. They

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Speaker 1: City's got some work to do. The on line does

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Speaker 1: not get a push. They don't really have a top back.

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Speaker 1: The Texans were absolutely the better team. Patrick Mahomes passer rating.

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Speaker 4: I know we were not winning games, but that that

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Speaker 4: mindset that these guys have in this locker room in

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Speaker 1: Are they legit? So they go to Philadelphia and win?

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Speaker 1: And what's everybody say? Well, I mean the Eagles, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the second half. They do a lot of things good

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Speaker 1: So what of course, Jordan Love looks more polished and refined,

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Speaker 1: this is a whole new ball game. This was new territory.

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Speaker 1: But the truth is, go look at those last two

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Speaker 1: Nobody's doing that against the Packers, nobody this year. Then

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Speaker 1: They're doing it in the second half. You and I

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Speaker 1: second half. It wasn't the Bears. The Packers defense was gassed.

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Speaker 1: And that Green Bay defense is well coached and really good,

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Speaker 1: and the good news for Chicago. Yes, you lost, but

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Speaker 1: the time when you look at teams. I mean, to me,

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Speaker 1: as good as a loss is those last two drives

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Speaker 1: for Chicago, and again, Caleb Williams isn't gonna look as

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Speaker 1: now all the green Bay receivers. Watson's healthy and Reid's

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Speaker 1: I thought they looked fantastic in the second half, generally speaking,

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Speaker 5: After Obviously, when it comes down to the wire like

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Speaker 5: But give a lot of credit to green Bay. They

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Speaker 3: Us, and that's all. It was a couple more plays.

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Speaker 1: I think Chicago, there's an argument the Bears were the

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Speaker 3: I think Jay McK and I said it last week.

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Speaker 1: Green Bay maybe the best team in the league, and

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Speaker 1: they at Lambeau in lousy weather, took them to the

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Speaker 1: all wins are good ones. You can win a football

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Speaker 1: losses are awful. Some of them are a barometer of

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Speaker 1: where you are if I'm Chicago busting home, I'm like,

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Speaker 1: we can play with anybody, because if you can play

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Speaker 1: just saw him beat Philly. You can play with the Lions.

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Speaker 1: I mean, got Baltimore, Buffalo, Kansas City don't look as dominant.

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Speaker 1: I mean a lot of people don't buy New England.

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Speaker 3: I do. So that's about as good a loss as

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Speaker 1: I don't know what the rating was, by the way,

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Speaker 1: so oh classic pro football. It looked cold. It was

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Speaker 1: the Packers and the Bears. How much fun? You know

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Speaker 1: a lot of times j Meck we talk about this.

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Speaker 1: This has been a lobsided rivalry. It's almost a geographic rivalry,

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Speaker 1: not an actual athletic rivalry. And I'm watching that yesterday

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Speaker 1: thinking do I get ten years of Caleb and Jordan,

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Speaker 6: Yeah, Bears kept coming back.

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Speaker 7: Did you see this interesting stat The Packers got to

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Speaker 2: That's it.

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Speaker 7: Everything else was like a big play touchdown because the

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Speaker 7: Bears kept blitzing, so the Bears defense played pretty darn good.

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Speaker 7: I was wrong. I didn't think they could hang with

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Speaker 7: Green Bay. I think the Bears are legit. They can

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Speaker 7: mess around when a game were two in the playoffs.

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Speaker 1: Well, that's not terrible, because I would love to see

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Speaker 1: This whole thing about Tulane and James Madison. I've never

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Speaker 6: This is the headline news.

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Speaker 7: All right, let's go to Indiana and that thirteen to

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Speaker 6: It sounds so beautiful. I want to give all the

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Speaker 9: But by the glory God, the great coaches, great teams

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Speaker 9: Whoever thought you would be here? But now the Hoodias

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Speaker 9: He goes, look right into the camera. Listen, a lot

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Speaker 3: Who's banging on it's weird?

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Speaker 7: He look, op, it's your Broni's on logite. This guy's amazing, Mendozah.

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Speaker 6: Sings by Come on, he looks the part. Are you

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Speaker 7: No?

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Speaker 1: He's the other thing about Indiana their d line, Dude.

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Speaker 6: He's healthy. Now. I don't know enough about Oklahom.

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Speaker 3: I got to do my homework. Tay Alabama Oklahoma. More

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Speaker 3: of that. That's a great game.

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Speaker 6: It's a rematch. Didn't we already see that?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 7: I know, but now it's you're in the playoffs. Alabama

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Speaker 7: doesn't deserve it. Two or two in their last four.

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Speaker 1: Looked awful in the SEC title. Hasn't played well. But

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Speaker 1: let me defend Bama. They already went to Athens and

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Speaker 1: beat Joey. We've only played good for a half. The

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Speaker 1: second half they got their doors blown off. They just

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Speaker 1: held on to victory. Alabama's resume very suss. I like

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Speaker 1: to bore a lot Ty Simpson. Did you?

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Speaker 7: I mean you watched Ty Simpson Collin. We like him

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Speaker 7: as a pro. I saw nothing Saturday. What's going on here?

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Speaker 1: I think he has a reasonably strong arm. I don't,

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Speaker 1: I don't. I know they hadn't been drying into a

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Speaker 1: lot of this stuff a couple of years ago with

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Speaker 1: certain quarterback from Michigan.

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Speaker 3: I don't buy into the Alabama court. I think he's fine.

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Speaker 6: Wait a minute, J McCarthy, Wait a minute.

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Speaker 3: Washington, we gotta talk about it.

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Speaker 1: By far and away the worst defense in the league,

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Speaker 1: and text July that take a deep breath. He also

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Speaker 1: had a great fourth quarter against the Bears. Washington is

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Speaker 1: by a long shot the worst defense at personnel in

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Speaker 1: the league.

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Speaker 3: Ye bad.

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Speaker 6: All right, let's move on to uh oh, Mike Tomlin.

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Speaker 7: Remember last week, I guess the entire city of Pittsburgh

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Speaker 7: wonted him fired. Well, the Steelers went to Baltimore as

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Speaker 7: big underdogs and pulled off what I saw was a

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Speaker 7: shocking victory. Looked like some quit in the Ravens. I

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Speaker 7: mean Aaron Rodgers was real mouthy. His first rushing touchdown,

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Speaker 7: by the way, in three years. Rogers afterward defended his coach.

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Speaker 6: Doesn't we need.

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Speaker 7: To get away like this after the week that you guys.

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Speaker 6: Have had these maybe you guys would shut the hell up.

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Speaker 1: For a week.

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Speaker 3: Well, Aaron played well.

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Speaker 6: No, No, he was excellent.

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Speaker 3: I've defended him all year.

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Speaker 1: He's the only consistently redeemable part right now.

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Speaker 3: The Steelers.

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Speaker 7: Their problem is last week Colin, he was awful against Buffalo.

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Speaker 1: Well because he's forty two and he's not going to

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Speaker 1: be Josh Allen. But three out of four weeks this year,

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Speaker 1: they have no run game they can Alway was protected.

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Speaker 1: They have no outside of dk Metcap, who's their number

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Speaker 1: two receiver. Their defense is expensive but doesn't make stops

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Speaker 1: in big moments. Aaron has been three out of four

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Speaker 1: weeks a very consistent performer for them, given the circumstances

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Speaker 1: of a tone deaf franchised offense.

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Speaker 7: I got to get Pittsburgh their flowers congratulations, But this

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Speaker 7: was really about Baltimore and the referees. First of all, Colin,

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Speaker 7: the Ravens did not have one quarterback hit.

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Speaker 6: Or sack on immobile Aaron run. What was that?

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Speaker 7: And then the overturned touchdown, the call on the field

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Speaker 7: goal where he basically ran the guy ran up the

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Speaker 7: middle between the center and the guard and they called

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Speaker 7: a penalty of the Steelers end up getting a touchdown.

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Speaker 7: But this is the guysa likely touchdown if you're watching.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, catch one, two steps? What are we doing here?

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Speaker 6: And then we're like, oh, he didn't get the third step.

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Speaker 3: This one I don't get How was it not a touchdown?

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Speaker 7: Right?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: So what they call it is in the NFL. In fact,

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Speaker 1: let me read this. So we had it and he

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Speaker 1: had two steps, two feet down. The NFL likes to

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Speaker 1: refer to this, I have I have it right.

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Speaker 7: Just it made zero sense. Harball was losing his mind.

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Speaker 7: A lot of gamblers were in the same What's called.

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Speaker 1: The third step is an act common to the game,

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Speaker 1: also known as forward momentum. But there's nowhere you need

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Speaker 1: to go in the end zone. So my whole life

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Speaker 1: is ball security. Two feet downs a touchdown, So that

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Speaker 1: matters the forty yard line. Look at the forty yard line.

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Speaker 1: It's the third It's not just your feet down. If

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Speaker 1: you get hitt and fumble, are you making progress? I

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Speaker 1: always thought in the end zone, ball secure, tap, tap,

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Speaker 1: It doesn't matter about the third step. The third step

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Speaker 1: matters because the NFL doesn't like fumbles.

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Speaker 3: They don't the.

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Speaker 1: NFL doesn't want, you know, everybody playing in the middle

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Speaker 1: of the field. They want touchdowns. So the NFL says,

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Speaker 1: listen on the field. If you catch it one foot

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Speaker 1: two foot, but you haven't turned to make a move

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Speaker 1: forward and you get hit fumbled, it's not a fumble.

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Speaker 1: I don't believe that should be the case. In the

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Speaker 1: end zone, could or know where to go forward, it's

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Speaker 1: a catch two feet So to me, this that call

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Speaker 1: could determine the playoffs.

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Speaker 7: That is an enormous swink. I mean, if I'm Baltimore,

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Speaker 7: I'm devastated right now. I saw some numbers. They're only

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Speaker 7: like thirty three percent chances to make the playoffs. Colin

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Speaker 7: and losing it on a controversial call, that that is devastating.

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Speaker 1: So what ten fifteen years ago the NFL there was

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Speaker 1: a play Calvin Johnson caught a ball against the Bears

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Speaker 1: in the back of the end zone.

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Speaker 3: It was like Week one, think and it was it.

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Speaker 1: They took away the touchdown and we were all mystified

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Speaker 1: by it. And for about a ten year stretch there

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Speaker 1: was a des Brian against Green Bay.

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Speaker 3: That what is a catch? What's not as a catch?

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Speaker 1: I need clarity on this because my entire life ball secure, bang,

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Speaker 1: bang feet down, that's a touchdown. That's but you know,

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Speaker 1: the fumble in the end zone is weird anyway. The

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Speaker 1: worst rule in football is if you fumble as a

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Speaker 1: running back into the end zone, you not only.

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Speaker 3: You lose possession of the ball.

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Speaker 1: That's on the Raiders years ago, Dave Casper, Kenny Stabler

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Speaker 1: fumbling it forward. I think that seventies or eighties. You

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Speaker 1: have to go back and look at that. So the

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Speaker 1: NFL said we're not gonna let you fumble into the

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Speaker 1: end zone. The problem is it's a violent league and

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Speaker 1: people do fumble out of the end zone all the time.

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Speaker 6: Stick the ball.

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Speaker 7: Out James Cook had won yesterday. I don't know what

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Speaker 7: to do because everybody has allegiances, everybody's a fan, everybody

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Speaker 7: thinks they know. I mean, at some point, maybe you know,

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Speaker 7: robot umpires are calling balls and strikes. Maybe we get

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Speaker 7: a robot to say is this a touchdown or not?

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Speaker 7: That to me, ninety nine times out of one hundred

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Speaker 7: is and not.

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Speaker 1: Only really, really, you have to look at it. If

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Speaker 1: you're the league, you don't have full time officials like

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Speaker 1: the league's were making a zillion dollars. My take is

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Speaker 1: it's not only a bad call, it probably determines a

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Speaker 1: playoff spot and listen.

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Speaker 7: I didn't see a lot from the Ravens yesterday. I

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Speaker 7: don't know if hardball's on the hot seat. He I

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Speaker 7: didn't see a good game. This team has regressed. Lamar

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Speaker 7: Jackson doesn't. He just looks disinterested. Something's going on in

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Speaker 7: Baltimore anyways. Final story, Philadelphia Eagles here in LA against

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Speaker 7: the Chargers tonight. They're coming off back to back losses,

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Speaker 7: and weirdly, over the weekend, a giant, inflatable rabbit emerged

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Speaker 7: in the Philadelphia locker room.

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Speaker 6: Colin, this is mystifying.

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Speaker 7: It's being referred to as the vibes Bunny or the

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Speaker 7: positivity Bunny to boost morale.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, this feels desperate.

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Speaker 6: Well, I don't know who.

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Speaker 7: We still don't know who put this thing in there,

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Speaker 7: But here's sake one Barkley on the bunny in the

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Speaker 7: locker room.

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Speaker 10: I have no idea. I don't I'm not into like

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Speaker 10: holidays and like bunnies and Christmas. I do to Christmas uff,

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Speaker 10: I got kids, but like I'm not really big like

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Speaker 10: joyful holiday person. I guess so, I don't know why.

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Speaker 10: I think that's really the only spot we can put

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Speaker 10: a big bunny. But I was told, uh, it's a

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Speaker 10: vibe bunny and the vibes are high.

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Speaker 6: So there we go.

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Speaker 3: He didn't sign off on I'm being in front of.

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Speaker 6: Your locker, didn't sign of my locker, not at all.

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Speaker 1: Went I went three and one on my picks and

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Speaker 1: I have Philadelphia tonight.

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Speaker 6: I like that.

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Speaker 1: I would literally pull my bet off the board after

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Speaker 1: watching that.

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Speaker 3: That is like, so, who do you.

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Speaker 6: Think Sirianni ordered? This is it? Big Dom? This is

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Speaker 6: the GM?

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Speaker 10: Like a J.

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Speaker 3: Brown?

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Speaker 6: What what's going on?

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Speaker 1: You're gonna feel like you're trying a way too hard.

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Speaker 1: They're not losing because of vibes. They're losing because they

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Speaker 1: have no run game.

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Speaker 6: Gimmicky.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just not it's not of Philadelphia. J mckel

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Speaker 3: the news.

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Speaker 2: Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by The

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Speaker 2: Herd Line News.

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Speaker 3: Colin Wright, Colin Wrong.

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Speaker 1: Top of the Hour, Matt Hasselback Urban Meyer is going

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Speaker 1: to be joining us.

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Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays

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Speaker 1: So once again, Josh Allen had to put the Superman

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Speaker 1: cape on and save his head coach's job. Buffalo at

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Speaker 1: one point in the fourth quarter, trailed by ten to

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Speaker 1: four and eight Joe Burrow and the Bengals, and they

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Speaker 1: were getting they were transforming every third down to a

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Speaker 1: first down. McDermott's defense and he's a defensive guy, surrendered

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Speaker 1: five touchdowns in a snowstorm at home. But every six

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Speaker 1: or seven times a year Josh Allen does this. He

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Speaker 1: saves the day. Josh Allen in Buffalo has become Lebron

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Speaker 1: James in Cleveland. He's got to do all the big lifting.

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Speaker 1: He's the human snowplow. Without Josh Allen in Buffalo, everything

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Speaker 1: gets snowed in, everything is stuck. So last I mean,

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Speaker 1: remember this season, just this season, Josh Allen had to

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Speaker 1: score four touchdowns because the Bills surrendered forty points, and

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Speaker 1: then he had to score six touchdowns because the Bills

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Speaker 1: surrendered thirty two points. And then yes, they needed four

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Speaker 1: touchdowns again in snow because they surrendered thirty four points.

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Speaker 1: And Sean McDermott's the defensive head coach. So I think

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Speaker 1: Josh Allen loves being the man. He doesn't love being

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Speaker 1: the only man. And yesterday he got James Cook fumbling

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Speaker 1: at the one, so he's got to just run it

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Speaker 1: in himself. So the Bills have forty four touchdowns this year,

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Speaker 1: Josh Allen has thirty four of the forty four. If

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Speaker 1: this has been going on too long, it really is

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Speaker 1: Lebron in Cleveland's He's got to do everything. And I

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Speaker 1: know Sean McDermott is more than capable, he's organized, but

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Speaker 1: just think about this number. This is unbelievable the Buffalo

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Speaker 1: Bills for one reason only Josh Allen. The Buffalo Bills

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Speaker 1: this year are three and oh when they surrender thirty

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Speaker 1: two or more points. The rest of the league is

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Speaker 1: six sixty one and two. I mean again, he's the

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Speaker 1: city's best snowblower, bulldozer, snow remover. If he's not here,

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Speaker 1: this thing would be a mess. And I'm not forgetting

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Speaker 1: coaches fired. But how many years is this going to

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Speaker 1: be the story? This is the perfect year Buffalo to

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Speaker 1: win it. Kansas City won't be in the playoffs, The

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Speaker 1: Chargers hardball, Herbert are good, missing both offensive tackles, Baltimore broken,

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Speaker 1: Burrow won't make the playoffs.

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Speaker 5: This is the year.

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Speaker 1: The second best team or first best team has young

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Speaker 1: Drake May and is still in a rebuild New England.

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Speaker 3: How many years do you have to see this?

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Speaker 1: I mean, Joe Burrow had a couple of picks in

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Speaker 1: two passes, otherwise was brilliant and that saved the day.

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Speaker 1: Here is Josh Allen after.

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Speaker 11: We knew that we were moving the ball well and

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Speaker 11: we were hurting ourselves, and if we can just stop

666
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Speaker 11: hurting ourselves, we can we can find success. And you

667
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Speaker 11: pair that up with a couple of turnovers from our defense.

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Speaker 11: That's a good recipe right there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this has really become groundhog Day, and you gotta

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Speaker 1: be careful. I mean, listen the Broncos with John Elway,

671
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Speaker 1: they had a very good coach, Dan Reeves, very good coach,

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Speaker 1: and I mean they finally were like, we're gonna go

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Speaker 1: to Mike Shanahan. We can't keep getting blown out in

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Speaker 1: Super Bowls and Elway was kind of struggling with it

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Speaker 1: a little bit with Dan Reeves. Dan Reeves a very

676
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Speaker 1: good coach, but it was time. And I kind of

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Speaker 1: feel like this with Buffalo, like the fact that you

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Speaker 1: needed Josh Allen this year. He's had to score four

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Speaker 1: touchdowns and six touchdowns and four touchdowns and yesterday even

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Speaker 1: his running backs fumbling. It's time because this is the year.

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Speaker 3: Think about this.

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Speaker 1: There's an argument to be made that you're gonna b

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Speaker 1: Nicks and Drake May in the playoffs here, biggest threats.

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Speaker 3: They're like kids.

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Speaker 1: There's still young kids trying to figure out how to

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Speaker 1: play the position. And had you made a move last

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Speaker 1: year and gotten an offensive coach, maybe gone after a

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Speaker 1: big boy Ben Johnson, you'd be in a different spot.

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Speaker 3: This is the year it opened up for you.

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Speaker 1: And again, I've watched this Buffalo team play nine ten times,

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Speaker 1: start to finish the thing they got going for him.

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Speaker 1: I'll give him credit. I don't even know if I

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Speaker 1: give him credit. Is that as you see all this

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Speaker 1: cold weather between James Cook and Josh Allen, they can

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Speaker 1: run the football. It's really a running team if you

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Speaker 1: count Josh Allen running. They have no receivers yesterday they're

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Speaker 1: leading receivers or tight ends, so they have no downfield

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Speaker 1: guy they trust. In fact, I think Gabe Davis had

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Speaker 1: two catches. That was their leading receiver and they just

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Speaker 1: brought him back. So they're not dependent on the deep ball.

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Speaker 1: Even though they have the strongest arm quarterback. That helps

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Speaker 1: a lot. They're actually built and they play well, and

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Speaker 1: they actually this is a Buffalo team that needs snow

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Speaker 1: because you can beat him deep all day long, but

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Speaker 1: in snow you can't throw it deep much. So they

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Speaker 1: got that going for him. But and here's Superman to

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Speaker 1: save the day again. All right, So I want to

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Speaker 1: go back to the whole Travis Kelce thing. He had

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Speaker 1: a big drop and it becomes a turnover. Just just

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Speaker 1: say this out loud. Ten time pro bowler, number one

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Speaker 1: sports podcast marring a pop star leads his team in drops. Now,

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Speaker 1: doesn't that sound like a former Hall of Fame player

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Speaker 1: who's playing in his last year. I know what it

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Speaker 1: looks like, but it even sounds like it. And listen,

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Speaker 1: he won it life. I'm happy for him. The Kelsey's

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Speaker 1: are great, but he's a distracted, regressing player, and and

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Speaker 1: you know, we said this.

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Speaker 3: Is his last year.

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Speaker 1: A lot of the what's ailed, what's illed, the which

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Speaker 1: already hurt the Chiefs all year, is they've been in

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Speaker 1: these big spots and Mahomes, who's still in his prime,

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Speaker 1: is looking for Kelsey and he finds him and it

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Speaker 1: doesn't turn out the way you wanted to turn out.

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Speaker 1: So last year, last night was fitting for what the

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Speaker 1: Chiefs had become this year. A lot in big spots

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Speaker 1: is that he's looking for his guy, and his guy

727
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Speaker 1: has got a really popular podcast and is a great

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Speaker 1: former player who now leads the Chiefs this year and drops.

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Speaker 1: So a lot of what they're dealing with last night

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Speaker 1: was really symbolic of what has happened to the Chiefs

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Speaker 1: in big spots. They don't look as athletic. There's a

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Speaker 1: big drop and he's had a remarkable career. But think

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Speaker 1: about this is that I was looking it up this morning.

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Speaker 1: Grunk is the same age as Travis Kelce and Gronk's

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Speaker 1: been in TV for years, like it's time and here's

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Speaker 1: Mahomes after the game on Travis's future.

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Speaker 4: Every season I've had with him these last few years,

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Speaker 4: I try to cherish because you know, you never know.

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Speaker 4: He got himself in great shape this year, and he's

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Speaker 4: played great football, and he'll have the option to do

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Speaker 4: whatever he wants to do after the season. But I

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Speaker 4: know one thing is he'll give everything he has the

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Speaker 4: rest of the season to try to give us a

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Speaker 4: chance to make a playoff run.

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Speaker 1: It's very difficult when you're winning, and he is not

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Speaker 1: only winning, he's winning it life. He didn't want to

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Speaker 1: talk to the media after.

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Speaker 3: I get it.

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Speaker 1: He's gotten wildly popular, almost like NBA Instagram popular for

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Speaker 1: a variety of reasons. But I thought watching him last

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Speaker 1: night and watching that play, it was very symbolic of

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Speaker 1: you know, it doesn't look right, but it also doesn't

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Speaker 1: sound right, like I'm all for podcasting, I'm all for

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Speaker 1: marrying the richest pop star in the world. You know,

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Speaker 1: I'm not a moralist. I'm not envious. I think it's great,

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Speaker 1: But I think this is sort of what this year

757
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Speaker 1: was going to look like. This is what it was

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Speaker 1: going to look like, and it is in a primetime game,

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Speaker 1: in a standalone Sunday night game, this is you put

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Speaker 1: the popular team on and again, this is how dynasties end.

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Speaker 1: You win Super Bowls and you dominate, you win big,

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Speaker 1: and then you win barely, and then you lose close

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Speaker 1: and it's they don't get the pass rush, Chris Jones,

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Speaker 1: isn't this dominant. They can't get people off the field

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Speaker 1: on third down, they can't convert on third down, and

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Speaker 1: their star weapon leads the team in drops kind of distracted.

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Speaker 1: I means guys had like seven eight nine. I think

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Speaker 1: a couple of years ago he said he had ten surgeries.

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure that's the number, but this is what

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Speaker 1: it was going to look like. You said they wouldn't

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Speaker 1: make the playoffs. I thought they'd make it as a

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Speaker 1: wild card team. I picked Denver to win the division.

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Speaker 1: But I was watching last year, and I watching it

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Speaker 1: last year, it was there's a reason. There is a

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Speaker 1: skill to winning close games, but there's also a reason

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Speaker 1: for losing close games, and your eyes are telling you

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Speaker 1: the reason.

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Speaker 7: Technically, they're not eliminated from the playoffs. They won't win

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Speaker 7: the AFC West. They just need a million things to

780
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Speaker 7: happen to get to the postseason.

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Speaker 6: It feels over.

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Speaker 7: I think your topic about the rebuild, you said at

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Speaker 7: the top of the hour, that deserves it.

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Speaker 1: I don't think it's a reboot. I think there's a

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Speaker 1: bit of a rebuild here.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, they had some dead wood on defense, offensive line, yeah,