WEBVTT - Trained By A Hound Dog with Ed Vance 0:00:04.240 --> 0:00:06.440 My name is Clay Nukeleman. I'm the host of the 0:00:06.480 --> 0:00:10.880 Bear Hunting Magazine podcast. I'll also be your host into 0:00:10.880 --> 0:00:15.840 the world of hunting the icon of the North American wilderness. Prepare. 0:00:16.480 --> 0:00:20.520 We'll talk about tactics, gear conservation. We will also bring 0:00:20.600 --> 0:00:23.600 you into some of the wildest country on the planet 0:00:23.920 --> 0:00:34.320 chasing Fair. This week, we're going back to one of 0:00:34.360 --> 0:00:38.159 our classic Bear Hunting Magazine episodes, our episode that we 0:00:38.200 --> 0:00:43.120 did with Advance at his home in California. Advance is 0:00:43.159 --> 0:00:48.440 a longtime houndsman, hunting both bear and mountain lion and 0:00:48.680 --> 0:00:52.239 Ed wrote a book called Trained by Hound Dog. I 0:00:52.320 --> 0:00:54.920 knew nothing of him. 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Check our friends out and you're gonna enjoy 0:04:00.440 --> 0:04:18.679 this podcast with Advance. The green Horn Mountains of southern 0:04:18.720 --> 0:04:22.960 California look like a steep rolling savannah of grass and trees, 0:04:23.640 --> 0:04:26.560 many of which are some type of small oak. The 0:04:26.600 --> 0:04:30.480 mountains go up over seven thousand feet, many as steep 0:04:30.520 --> 0:04:38.320 as a cow space. From this property, I call lions 0:04:38.320 --> 0:04:41.800 and bears all over everything, all of all of this 0:04:41.839 --> 0:04:44.919 stuff that you can see. Ad points to a bear 0:04:45.000 --> 0:04:47.520 hide hanging on the wall of his home. That was 0:04:47.560 --> 0:04:49.720 one of the toughest bears that I've ever got my 0:04:49.800 --> 0:04:51.800 dogs after. I mean I had others, they were just 0:04:51.839 --> 0:04:55.120 as bad. Because there's the right here, I'm gonna explain 0:04:55.240 --> 0:04:59.000 to you, and I'm gonna show you where it started, 0:04:59.200 --> 0:05:03.440 where it went to him, where it ended come right 0:05:03.480 --> 0:05:06.440 here at this house. Advance is seventy eight years old, 0:05:06.480 --> 0:05:09.520 and he hunted these mountains for lions and bear in 0:05:09.520 --> 0:05:12.640 a twenty five year stretch from the nineteen sixties through 0:05:12.680 --> 0:05:15.919 the nineteen eighties. Today, he can see much of his 0:05:16.040 --> 0:05:19.560 favorite hunting ground from the incredible view from his home. 0:05:20.080 --> 0:05:21.680 But I want to explain, I want to show you. 0:05:21.720 --> 0:05:24.679 We're gonna walk over here We'll have to walk around 0:05:24.680 --> 0:05:29.320 a little bit in order for you do U to 0:05:29.440 --> 0:05:31.560 take in all of what I'm gonna show you. Because 0:05:32.120 --> 0:05:35.400 Ed is a gifted craftsman with wood, brick and stone. 0:05:36.040 --> 0:05:39.080 His home he built himself. It's a mix of a 0:05:39.120 --> 0:05:45.760 timber framed bungalow style Western log cabin, ornate with saddles worn, 0:05:45.920 --> 0:05:50.200 cowboy hats, bear hides in a mounted mountain. Lion killed 0:05:50.240 --> 0:05:53.760 before the hunting band in California. It's clear to see 0:05:53.800 --> 0:05:56.680 that Ed is a meticulate master of everything that he 0:05:56.760 --> 0:05:59.840 takes on, and at one period in his life his 0:06:00.200 --> 0:06:06.240 entire focus was hunting lions and bears with hounds. This 0:06:06.320 --> 0:06:09.039 particular bear that I got out after it was in 0:06:10.560 --> 0:06:14.760 I mentioned in the book. Um I started him in 0:06:14.800 --> 0:06:17.840 October and it was just at the crack of dawn 0:06:18.920 --> 0:06:21.520 and I had I couldn't find a bear by driving roads, 0:06:21.520 --> 0:06:24.880 so I got uh. I had two hunter with me, 0:06:25.880 --> 0:06:28.960 and so we stopped and I says, I want to 0:06:29.000 --> 0:06:32.440 walk up a canyon and see if I can get 0:06:32.440 --> 0:06:34.240 a bear started up there. And I'm gonna show you 0:06:34.240 --> 0:06:37.400 where this is at. You see this ridge right in 0:06:37.400 --> 0:06:39.240 front of us, So you see a lone tree standing 0:06:39.279 --> 0:06:42.000 up there all by myself. From that tree. If you 0:06:42.000 --> 0:06:45.479 went straight down into the canyon, you see the ridge 0:06:45.480 --> 0:06:47.920 on the other side, straight down into the bottom. That's 0:06:47.920 --> 0:06:52.120 where they started this bear. I went up there and 0:06:52.120 --> 0:06:56.760 then and they struck this bear and this ridge. You 0:06:56.800 --> 0:06:59.520 can see where that lone tree standing. You can see 0:06:59.520 --> 0:07:03.560 the ridge it's on, and that ridge follows and keeps going. 0:07:03.600 --> 0:07:05.080 And then he gets right up to a point. They 0:07:05.080 --> 0:07:06.800 pulled him out of that cannon. He came out of 0:07:06.800 --> 0:07:10.680 that canyon, crossed onto this side of that ridge, and 0:07:10.720 --> 0:07:14.280 he skirted that ridge almost on the top all the 0:07:14.320 --> 0:07:16.800 way around. And then where you can see that one 0:07:16.880 --> 0:07:20.560 high point, he turned and he went to the opposite 0:07:20.560 --> 0:07:23.600 side of it. Now there was no roads to speak 0:07:23.640 --> 0:07:27.040 of it, so I was following him on foot. M hmm. 0:07:27.920 --> 0:07:30.640 By the time I got to there, I could hear 0:07:30.680 --> 0:07:34.800 those dogs. It was placed called Portuguese Pass, and Portuguese 0:07:34.800 --> 0:07:39.080 Pass is the furthest ridge that you can see as 0:07:39.120 --> 0:07:42.320 far as you can see. And he's just about to 0:07:42.360 --> 0:07:44.240 go over, and I thought, if he goes over that, 0:07:44.600 --> 0:07:47.400 so there's a big valley in between that. It's called 0:07:47.400 --> 0:07:50.680 bill Run Basin. The other side is called bill Run Basin. 0:07:51.280 --> 0:07:54.400 I was north of that high point that we're talking about, 0:07:55.040 --> 0:07:57.280 which is from right where that point is out to 0:07:57.320 --> 0:08:01.560 where it started. Yeah, it's only like maybe three miles 0:08:01.600 --> 0:08:04.840 through the air, but we weren't going through the air. 0:08:05.040 --> 0:08:08.600 We were going on ground, and it's different. It's different. 0:08:09.120 --> 0:08:10.920 So I got around to the other side of that 0:08:10.960 --> 0:08:14.440 and I heard those dogs headed towards Portuguese pass. I 0:08:14.440 --> 0:08:17.600 had five dogs on it, I recall, and they were 0:08:17.640 --> 0:08:22.720 really hammering that thing. And I was suspicious of what 0:08:22.840 --> 0:08:25.640 bear this was because I I didn't know at the time, 0:08:25.680 --> 0:08:27.720 but I caught him two other times and let him go. 0:08:29.000 --> 0:08:31.160 And he was a non tregable bear. You're gonna bay 0:08:31.240 --> 0:08:33.800 him out. That was it. So as far as you 0:08:33.840 --> 0:08:37.880 can see, they just he just about got over that 0:08:39.880 --> 0:08:43.200 far ridge and they were then he was he was 0:08:43.240 --> 0:08:47.079 moving and and these dogs were hitting it as hard 0:08:47.120 --> 0:08:50.120 as they could, and that he is like extremely steep 0:08:50.160 --> 0:08:54.240 and rough. And then I lost hearing of them. Now 0:08:54.240 --> 0:08:58.000 we're gonna have to walk to another spot. Show you 0:09:00.200 --> 0:09:07.360 where this thing ended up at. In the meantime, I 0:09:07.400 --> 0:09:09.720 had two had these two guys that where I was. 0:09:10.280 --> 0:09:14.400 I had him here on a bear hunt, and they 0:09:14.400 --> 0:09:16.120 were waiting to inform me at my pickup. I had 0:09:16.160 --> 0:09:19.120 a CB radio in the pickup. I walk up on 0:09:19.160 --> 0:09:21.160 this little dog here a little bit, and I can 0:09:22.080 --> 0:09:28.840 show you a little bit further, get right up there 0:09:28.840 --> 0:09:34.360 in that opening. It's kind of it's kind of nice 0:09:34.400 --> 0:09:36.080 to be living in a spot where I can take 0:09:36.120 --> 0:09:38.960 and look at places like this and say, well, I 0:09:39.000 --> 0:09:41.520 know what had happened, because I was there and it 0:09:41.520 --> 0:09:46.760 did happen. Now we look straight ahead of us, and 0:09:46.800 --> 0:09:49.400 we can see him rounded mountain and on this side 0:09:49.400 --> 0:09:55.400 has been burned. And I mentioned to you that at 0:09:55.440 --> 0:09:58.680 the transition between the trees that have been burned, which 0:09:58.679 --> 0:10:01.720 were lower as the ones above, those dogs were on 0:10:01.800 --> 0:10:04.440 that side. You keep in mind they started over here, 0:10:06.800 --> 0:10:11.000 they went around that point, and when they did that, 0:10:11.040 --> 0:10:13.920 I lost him. I had no idea where they were. 0:10:14.559 --> 0:10:17.120 I was no I was. I was up on this 0:10:19.040 --> 0:10:24.440 from where you started swoops down Portugee passes in there. 0:10:25.640 --> 0:10:27.760 I was up in that area someplace, and I could 0:10:27.760 --> 0:10:31.280 hear my dogs going down on that hillside, which is 0:10:31.320 --> 0:10:35.040 several miles from there too, and I could hear him 0:10:35.040 --> 0:10:39.280 for several miles, and then they disappeared. So I came 0:10:39.360 --> 0:10:44.559 down through all of that and it's late in the afternoon. No, 0:10:44.559 --> 0:10:47.280 I'll keep in mind this started at about six in 0:10:47.320 --> 0:10:50.880 the morning, late in the afternoon, which would be about 0:10:52.480 --> 0:10:55.440 I'm gonna say about three o'clock. I crossed this road 0:10:55.520 --> 0:10:57.600 right here, the road that I'm living on. But I 0:10:57.640 --> 0:11:01.000 was about four miles up. When it got to the road. 0:11:01.080 --> 0:11:04.160 He cranked on the CBE radio and heard the voice 0:11:04.200 --> 0:11:06.880 of a good friend that he didn't even know was 0:11:06.920 --> 0:11:09.360 in the area. Asked me. He says, let me come 0:11:09.360 --> 0:11:12.880 and get you. And I said, do you have you 0:11:12.920 --> 0:11:16.400 heard my dogs? And he said, yes, your dogs the 0:11:16.480 --> 0:11:18.400 last I heard. And he said, your dogs are done 0:11:18.440 --> 0:11:21.719 on White River by the campground. Now I'm gonna show 0:11:21.760 --> 0:11:26.080 you what White River Campground is. That he wanted to 0:11:26.120 --> 0:11:27.719 come and pick me up, and I said, no, I 0:11:28.520 --> 0:11:30.560 wanted to just go across the country. I'm just gonna 0:11:30.640 --> 0:11:34.480 keep it's all downhill, and I can travel pretty fast 0:11:34.520 --> 0:11:38.600 going downhill, and uh, as long as I know that 0:11:38.600 --> 0:11:41.240 that's where they're at, and anything from Louisa this time, 0:11:41.320 --> 0:11:48.040 you've already traveled twelve fourteen miles close to that through 0:11:48.440 --> 0:11:51.400 through air miles, and so you're going down in these 0:11:51.400 --> 0:11:54.880 steep valleys and ravines and up mountains. Yes, because where 0:11:54.880 --> 0:11:57.080 the bear was started was at the five thousand foot 0:11:57.120 --> 0:12:02.240 elevation in Portuguese passes seven thousand. So they almost got 0:12:02.400 --> 0:12:06.119 he almost had. You had to you had to lose elevation, 0:12:06.240 --> 0:12:10.959 and yes, yes, back and forth, back and forth the road. 0:12:11.400 --> 0:12:12.960 If you look right down in the bottom the canon, 0:12:12.960 --> 0:12:15.360 you see a dirt road down there. And when I 0:12:15.400 --> 0:12:19.040 got there, those dogs, White River was about five miles 0:12:20.040 --> 0:12:22.199 from there to the north, and those dogs and they 0:12:22.200 --> 0:12:28.559 were coming this to the south, about halfway between that 0:12:28.679 --> 0:12:31.200 ridge that you're looking at in the bottom of the canyon, 0:12:31.800 --> 0:12:36.000 which is about a thousand foot drop in elevation below 0:12:36.000 --> 0:12:39.600 where I was at, and he started, he started skirting 0:12:41.120 --> 0:12:45.000 going this way. He's going southwest. I followed that ridge 0:12:46.040 --> 0:12:48.040 and knowing that if he gets on this side of it, 0:12:48.080 --> 0:12:50.040 I'm just gonna lose Those Doctors're gonna go down and 0:12:50.160 --> 0:12:53.600 nothing but private land, and I can't get into that stuff. 0:12:54.920 --> 0:12:58.599 So not halfway between these two points, which it is 0:12:58.640 --> 0:13:01.760 gonna be about a half three quarters of a mile, 0:13:03.080 --> 0:13:06.200 he was getting close to crossing over, and I got 0:13:06.360 --> 0:13:09.080 to where I could drop down, and I came head 0:13:09.120 --> 0:13:12.400 on onto him, and we walked right into each other. 0:13:13.320 --> 0:13:16.120 When he saw me, he spun and I had this. 0:13:17.720 --> 0:13:19.880 They weren't behind him, they were all right alongside of it. 0:13:20.720 --> 0:13:24.880 They're right on it. Yeah, I got Mike, shot at him, 0:13:24.920 --> 0:13:27.640 and I was almost at the bottom between those two ridges. 0:13:28.080 --> 0:13:30.199 In fact, there's some ranchers said they was listening to 0:13:30.240 --> 0:13:33.240 the whole thing, and I shot and killed him right there. 0:13:34.160 --> 0:13:36.920 So how many miles it is, I don't know, but 0:13:37.000 --> 0:13:39.480 I do know this. I had twenty minutes to get 0:13:39.520 --> 0:13:41.240 the hide off of him, and it was gonna be dark. 0:13:42.080 --> 0:13:44.120 I don't have a clue how many miles that is. 0:13:44.840 --> 0:13:48.400 It has to be in straight line air miles, fifteen 0:13:48.440 --> 0:13:52.640 air miles. But we're talking about starting at five thousand 0:13:52.640 --> 0:13:55.920 foot in the elevation, going up and down until he 0:13:55.960 --> 0:13:58.960 gets a seven thousand foot and then going up and 0:13:59.000 --> 0:14:03.680 down until you dropped down to Bud elevation. And that's 0:14:03.760 --> 0:14:06.880 what it took to stop that whole race. I think 0:14:06.920 --> 0:14:10.240 that's an incredible feed for the dog, has been an 0:14:10.240 --> 0:14:15.640 incredible feat for a man. This bear is the only 0:14:15.760 --> 0:14:20.200 bear hide that Ed still has in his home. Ed 0:14:20.240 --> 0:14:23.440 wrote an incredible book that you're gonna hear about inside 0:14:23.480 --> 0:14:27.400 of this podcast that tells many of the stories and 0:14:27.480 --> 0:14:33.400 tales of his twenty five years of hunting California, Utah, Nevada, 0:14:33.680 --> 0:14:43.200 and Montana with a pack of hounds. Welcome to the 0:14:43.240 --> 0:14:47.640 Bear Hunting Magazine podcast we Are. This is gonna be 0:14:47.680 --> 0:14:53.440 a really neat episode. I'm in the home of a 0:14:53.520 --> 0:14:57.640 man that's become a friend of mine today really um, 0:14:57.640 --> 0:15:00.200 but I feel like i've I feel like I know 0:15:00.360 --> 0:15:02.680 you after I read your book. But I'm in the 0:15:02.680 --> 0:15:07.800 home of of Ed and Lynette Advance and we're in Posey, California, 0:15:08.240 --> 0:15:11.480 which Ed, I would not have known where Posey, California 0:15:11.520 --> 0:15:15.480 was until I learned that you lived here. But it's 0:15:15.520 --> 0:15:21.040 an incredible and beautiful place just south of the Sierra 0:15:21.040 --> 0:15:23.520 Nevadas or we're in the southern Sierra Nevadas. Is that 0:15:24.040 --> 0:15:27.040 on the southern southern tip of the Sierra Nevadas, in 0:15:27.080 --> 0:15:33.440 a mountain range known as the Greenhorn Mountains and Sekoyan 0:15:33.560 --> 0:15:39.520 National Forest and Sekoya National Monument. Is um right on 0:15:39.600 --> 0:15:44.240 these Greenhorn Mountains. UM a place that a lot of 0:15:44.240 --> 0:15:49.360 people really don't know about. In fact, there's people that um, 0:15:49.520 --> 0:15:52.800 we've met that live in the valley the San Joaquin Valley. 0:15:53.400 --> 0:15:55.440 They've never even gone up into these mountains and they 0:15:55.480 --> 0:16:00.560 have no idea what's up here. Um, well, this morning 0:16:00.600 --> 0:16:03.520 we started off in I mean we were in Los Angeles, 0:16:04.320 --> 0:16:09.920 Los Angeles, California. Seven seven seven lane going one way, 0:16:10.040 --> 0:16:13.000 seven lane traffic going the other. And we drove two 0:16:13.000 --> 0:16:17.520 and a half hours. And I mean we're twenty miles 0:16:17.520 --> 0:16:20.440 from a gas station. I mean we're more than that. 0:16:20.000 --> 0:16:23.880 More than that we're in Really, you're forty miles away 0:16:23.880 --> 0:16:27.040 from a gas station. The only thing that um, the 0:16:27.160 --> 0:16:32.000 closest little town is a town called Glenville's in Current County. 0:16:32.160 --> 0:16:36.160 We're until Larry County, and there's not much difference between 0:16:36.160 --> 0:16:40.320 the two counties actually, but um in Posey, all that 0:16:40.360 --> 0:16:43.080 we have in Posey as the post office For somebody 0:16:43.080 --> 0:16:47.440 who doesn't or did not know much about California. California 0:16:47.520 --> 0:16:51.320 is an incredible state for wildlife and and and really 0:16:51.320 --> 0:16:54.640 has an incredibly rich history and hunting and and that's 0:16:54.640 --> 0:16:58.440 why I'm here is uh So. Ed wrote a book 0:16:59.080 --> 0:17:03.119 called Trained hound Dog. The book was released back in November, 0:17:03.920 --> 0:17:09.399 and the book is is basically a collection of stories 0:17:09.960 --> 0:17:14.840 about Ed's life as a as a houndsman, hunting mountain, 0:17:14.920 --> 0:17:19.520 lions and bears in these mountains right here where we're at. 0:17:20.359 --> 0:17:22.000 And uh. And so that's what I want to talk 0:17:22.040 --> 0:17:24.760 to you about today, is I want to I want 0:17:24.840 --> 0:17:27.760 people to get a feel for for your history and 0:17:27.840 --> 0:17:31.920 hound hunting and and uh. And in doing that, we're 0:17:31.920 --> 0:17:34.400 gonna talk about the book. And and we just did 0:17:34.440 --> 0:17:37.639 a I didn't know ed, wouldn't have known ed, but 0:17:38.480 --> 0:17:42.760 several months ago it was probably Lynette that contacted me 0:17:43.040 --> 0:17:45.359 just through Bare Hunting magazine and said, I'd like to 0:17:45.359 --> 0:17:47.720 send you a book that my husband wrote. And I said, well, sure. 0:17:48.320 --> 0:17:50.400 And I get a lot of books, and I really 0:17:50.440 --> 0:17:53.080 do a lot of people. A lot of people write books, 0:17:53.080 --> 0:17:55.480 and I read a lot of books. And when I 0:17:55.520 --> 0:18:00.239 read this book, it I could tell that the the 0:18:00.359 --> 0:18:03.840 voice of this writer was someone special. I really did 0:18:04.520 --> 0:18:07.359 and uh and I as I as I read the book, 0:18:08.119 --> 0:18:10.200 I thought, man, I'd like to I'd like to meet 0:18:10.240 --> 0:18:15.160 that guy and uh. And and it just so happened 0:18:15.720 --> 0:18:18.840 that our family was coming to California, and so I 0:18:18.880 --> 0:18:21.440 looked up where Posey, California was, because that's on your 0:18:21.600 --> 0:18:24.280 Trained by Hound Dog website and it was just a 0:18:24.280 --> 0:18:26.120 couple of hours out of where we were, and so 0:18:26.640 --> 0:18:30.359 you graciously said, yeah, come onto the house, fed us lunch, 0:18:30.800 --> 0:18:33.120 and here we are. I've got my whole family here 0:18:33.560 --> 0:18:36.880 and uh, and we're here with you and and and 0:18:36.960 --> 0:18:40.119 so anyway, thank you for hosting. Welcome. We're sure happy 0:18:40.119 --> 0:18:43.160 to have you here. UM. I hope that this will 0:18:43.200 --> 0:18:49.200 turn into a um, a long term friendship, and I'm 0:18:49.240 --> 0:18:51.560 sure I will. You know, I wanted to say something 0:18:51.600 --> 0:18:57.760 about these mountains here. UM during the during the years 0:18:57.800 --> 0:19:00.440 of the Bounty for Mountain Lions, and a lot of 0:19:00.440 --> 0:19:03.760 people have no idea of this, there was a there 0:19:03.800 --> 0:19:07.240 was a California state line under that lived here and 0:19:08.520 --> 0:19:13.119 his name was Howard Builton. And I wish that I 0:19:13.160 --> 0:19:16.480 had have known Howard. He died just about the same 0:19:16.480 --> 0:19:19.439 time that I started hunting these mountains. But had he 0:19:19.560 --> 0:19:22.480 been alive when I was doing this, that guy that 0:19:22.520 --> 0:19:24.640 had a hard time getting rid of me, I'm sure that. 0:19:26.200 --> 0:19:29.560 But I was really surprised when I moved here and 0:19:29.600 --> 0:19:33.600 talked to guys that had hound dogs that there was 0:19:33.840 --> 0:19:38.760 hardly anybody other than the long time residences that even 0:19:38.840 --> 0:19:42.919 knew that this guy even existed here. But he did, 0:19:43.720 --> 0:19:45.840 and and like to say, he was a full time 0:19:46.720 --> 0:19:51.679 line uner for the state of California, and uh, I 0:19:51.760 --> 0:19:54.879 think he was. I checked his record and in his 0:19:54.960 --> 0:20:00.520 final years of as a state line unner, he was 0:20:00.560 --> 0:20:04.480 actually killing about fifteen lions a year, which you know, 0:20:04.680 --> 0:20:07.480 that's quite a few actually, And some places, you know 0:20:07.560 --> 0:20:12.439 that the where you have snow all the time to 0:20:12.480 --> 0:20:15.840 catch your lions, fifteen lions might not sound like a 0:20:15.880 --> 0:20:18.560 whole lot to some of those people, but here it 0:20:18.680 --> 0:20:25.080 was predominantly bare ground trailing, and uh so you couldn't 0:20:25.119 --> 0:20:27.879 just go and roam around these hell was looking for 0:20:27.880 --> 0:20:30.440 a line track in the snow because it just wasn't 0:20:31.280 --> 0:20:35.280 it wasn't there, And so the dogs that they used 0:20:35.280 --> 0:20:38.280 had to be pretty good quality dogs. The hunters had 0:20:38.280 --> 0:20:44.480 to be totally dedicated, and that's what I found in 0:20:44.520 --> 0:20:49.560 this part of the country. I've seen some places it 0:20:49.680 --> 0:20:53.240 was pretty easy to catch lions as compared to others. 0:20:54.440 --> 0:20:57.600 When I was in Montana, it was definitely one of 0:20:57.640 --> 0:21:01.720 the easiest places because it's like it's snowed almost every day, 0:21:02.560 --> 0:21:05.359 and every time that she'd find a line track is 0:21:06.040 --> 0:21:08.359 just about counting out. It was once very old, you know, 0:21:09.320 --> 0:21:12.440 but that and then the bear population in in this 0:21:12.600 --> 0:21:17.920 part of the country is um really good. It's far 0:21:17.960 --> 0:21:23.439 better than people would have thought it was. UM. The 0:21:23.600 --> 0:21:28.560 entire Sierra Mountain Range has been and and the Coast 0:21:28.640 --> 0:21:33.479 Range both have been noted forever for having the a 0:21:33.520 --> 0:21:36.880 lot of a lot of bears um and a lot 0:21:36.920 --> 0:21:39.760 of large bears to go with it. And the reasons 0:21:39.800 --> 0:21:44.320 for that was basically because the winners were short, growing 0:21:44.400 --> 0:21:47.520 seasons were long, and it was either oak trees or 0:21:47.560 --> 0:21:53.879 oak brush that's covering all these hills, and those happened 0:21:53.880 --> 0:21:57.200 to produce acorns, and acorns bears love them and they 0:21:57.240 --> 0:22:01.479 get fat on them, so so it's it was an 0:22:01.520 --> 0:22:06.920 area that very unique. But at the same time, a 0:22:07.000 --> 0:22:08.600 lot of people in this part of the country, they 0:22:08.600 --> 0:22:14.520 say that they use a term that Posey, California was 0:22:15.400 --> 0:22:19.080 Tillarry County's best kept secret because nobody seemed to know 0:22:19.119 --> 0:22:23.000 where it was at. And in fact, even at the 0:22:23.040 --> 0:22:24.919 county seat. We've had to talk to the people out 0:22:24.920 --> 0:22:27.879 of the building department and some of them didn't even 0:22:27.920 --> 0:22:33.159 know where we were and we're in their county. But anyways, no, 0:22:33.359 --> 0:22:39.119 it's it's a beautiful place. UM. Four seasons winn is 0:22:39.160 --> 0:22:42.080 the shortest, summer is the longest and a lot of 0:22:42.119 --> 0:22:45.760 beautiful scenery to go with it. Yeah, Ed, give us 0:22:45.760 --> 0:22:47.919 a give us a kind of a run through of 0:22:47.960 --> 0:22:51.919 your well, just let me let me just start off 0:22:51.920 --> 0:22:54.439 with this. When did you start hunting with hounds and 0:22:54.480 --> 0:22:57.439 how did you get into it? And why? Because you 0:22:57.480 --> 0:23:00.360 didn't grow up in a family had hound I mean 0:23:00.400 --> 0:23:03.000 you that was when I first started reading the book. 0:23:03.040 --> 0:23:05.359 That caught my attention because a lot of time, most 0:23:05.400 --> 0:23:09.199 of the time, somebody that's in hounds is introduced to 0:23:09.280 --> 0:23:12.879 it or there's some pretty close connection to them that 0:23:12.960 --> 0:23:14.679 was able to get them in. But it's almost like 0:23:14.760 --> 0:23:20.359 you started running hounds just this. Yeah, you know, I 0:23:20.440 --> 0:23:24.120 always as a kid, I grew up in a suburb 0:23:24.400 --> 0:23:27.600 for the town by the name of Glendale in California, 0:23:28.320 --> 0:23:30.560 and in those days, of course, the population wasn't what 0:23:30.640 --> 0:23:35.960 it was today, and I kind of like the act 0:23:36.040 --> 0:23:38.560 like I was hunting him because if right from our 0:23:38.600 --> 0:23:40.240 house you just go off in the hills, they're just 0:23:40.280 --> 0:23:44.880 covered with brush and just kind of make believe, you know. 0:23:45.440 --> 0:23:48.800 But over time I drifted away from that, and then 0:23:48.840 --> 0:23:51.720 I found myself working in an assembly plant for Chevrolet 0:23:52.840 --> 0:23:56.880 in Van Eys, California, and directly across the line from 0:23:56.920 --> 0:23:59.960 me was a a guy by the name of Sherwood Barrett, 0:24:01.040 --> 0:24:05.800 and uh he was from Georgia and and sure what 0:24:05.960 --> 0:24:08.280 he he was a Mormon. And he told me, he 0:24:08.320 --> 0:24:11.320 says that he left Georgia and he's on his way 0:24:11.359 --> 0:24:14.880 to Salt Lake City and because he wanted to live there, 0:24:15.600 --> 0:24:17.879 but he had to get go someplace and earn some 0:24:17.920 --> 0:24:21.159 money in the process. And so he was I was 0:24:21.200 --> 0:24:25.080 putting gas lines, gasoline lines on these cards as they passed, 0:24:25.080 --> 0:24:28.720 if fifty something an hour, and so we'd get a 0:24:28.760 --> 0:24:31.280 few moments every now and then to visit. And he 0:24:31.359 --> 0:24:34.720 started telling me about chasing these hound dogs in the 0:24:34.840 --> 0:24:41.280 Oki Finocchi Swamp in Georgia, and uh, it really caught 0:24:41.320 --> 0:24:45.600 my interests. I mean it really did. And they're on 0:24:45.720 --> 0:24:51.840 ragged coons. Yeah, and uh so anyways, he teld me 0:24:51.920 --> 0:24:54.040 these stories about this what he was doing, and it 0:24:54.160 --> 0:25:00.719 just really caught my interest. And so I asked him, 0:25:00.760 --> 0:25:02.440 I said, Sherwood, where would you where do you go 0:25:02.520 --> 0:25:06.199 to buy these dogs? And he told me, says, he 0:25:06.240 --> 0:25:09.080 could have like outdoor life. They had these guys advertising him. 0:25:09.160 --> 0:25:10.880 I didn't know at the time that most of those 0:25:10.920 --> 0:25:15.560 guys were selling dogs nobody wanted, you know, and people 0:25:15.600 --> 0:25:17.879 like myself and buy him because I didn't know what 0:25:17.920 --> 0:25:21.080 I was buying in the first place. So anyways, I 0:25:21.119 --> 0:25:24.479 started with that. And what was your intention? Was your 0:25:24.480 --> 0:25:28.719