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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A

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Speaker 1: production of My Heart Radio. Hello, welcome back to the show.

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Speaker 1: My name is Matt. Our colleague Nol is not here,

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Speaker 1: but he will return shortly. They called me Ben. We're

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Speaker 1: joined as always with our super producer Paul Mission controlled decond.

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Speaker 1: Most importantly, you are you. You are here, and that

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Speaker 1: makes this the stuff they don't want you to know. Matt,

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Speaker 1: this is one that I hope we're both equally excited about.

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Speaker 1: It's something that we have talked about, you and I

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Speaker 1: for many years. It's the concept of propaganda, right, like,

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Speaker 1: what's the what's some of the propaganda you saw today? Man? Uh? Well,

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Speaker 1: before I even tell you that, it weirded me out

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Speaker 1: the same year that our podcast went live, which really

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Speaker 1: me out? So maybe us I don't know, do you

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Speaker 1: remember over the years back in the like Apple video

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Speaker 1: podcasts and then the YouTube days. We would occasionally get

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Speaker 1: Do you remember any of those? Oh? Yeah, we still

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Speaker 1: get accused of that today. Yeah, it's not stopped. Well,

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Speaker 1: and now I'm questioning it myself because of this episode.

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Speaker 1: So let's get into it. There we go very well,

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Speaker 1: then into the breach. Uh, folks, did you know your

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Speaker 1: government spends tons of money literal tons if you measure it,

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Speaker 1: attempting to shape the behavior and perception people across the globe.

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Speaker 1: We hope you can take that as a given because

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Speaker 1: it is not a conspiracy theory. It is a true conspiracy. Uh.

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Speaker 1: Second question, have you ever thought about the ideas your

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Speaker 1: government sells to you at home? No matter where you live.

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Speaker 1: There's a reason you listen to shows like this. Uh.

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Speaker 1: Today's episode, the one and Only Mr Matt Frederick and

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Speaker 1: I are going to talk about what happens when that

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Speaker 1: sort of propaganda comes home to roost. So here are

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Speaker 1: the facts, um, Matt. You know, I I think sometimes

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Speaker 1: crazy when we talk to people outside our bubble, would

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Speaker 1: you say that we might be in some kind of

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Speaker 1: info bubble? Yeah, and we're engaged in info. I don't

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Speaker 1: know what's the word warfare? Well, like everybody else, we

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Speaker 1: propaganda while knowing that so many long time listeners have heard.

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Speaker 1: You know, if you're listening now, if you've listened for years,

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Speaker 1: Propaganda is a real thing, and we tried to find

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Speaker 1: like the most bare bones definition. The most bare bones

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Speaker 1: definition is Propaganda is any form of communication that is

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Speaker 1: you get infected with communism somehow, um so and in

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Speaker 1: the in in the weird way. What they're proposing to

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Speaker 1: do with this act is to insert thought viruses across

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Speaker 1: the planet, right that, like into the enemies. I will

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Speaker 1: shoot thought viruses into your brain. Yes, I'm so glad

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Speaker 1: you put it this way, because you are absolutely correct.

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Speaker 1: That is the ultimate mission, that is the end goal.

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Speaker 1: That's the successful deployment of this sort of armament. Uh.

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Speaker 1: The you know, the now dead folks in Congress thought

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Speaker 1: genuinely it seems that the State Department had been compromised,

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Speaker 1: and they said, if we give this State Department this

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Speaker 1: much control, uh there, it's weird because this is like,

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Speaker 1: this is getting to peak Cold War era. You know,

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Speaker 1: there's a red scare always on the horizon. You cannot

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Speaker 1: trust anyone that you trust. So the idea then is

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Speaker 1: that the State Department is infiltrated by communists, and if

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Speaker 1: they get the they get their hands on the wheel

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Speaker 1: of this information operation. I'm being very diplomatic here, then

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Speaker 1: they will perhaps create a fifth column, They will create

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Speaker 1: a domestic representation of pro Russian policy and then boom

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Speaker 1: new emboldened communist movement in these the United States. There

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Speaker 1: are some great quotes about this. Who we got one.

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Speaker 1: There's a guy who is going back and forth about this,

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Speaker 1: a guy we need to introduce. His name is Eugene Cox,

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Speaker 1: and Eugene Cox is a Democratic representative from Georgia. Keep

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Speaker 1: in mind, this is still like the era of Dixiecrats

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Speaker 1: they call them locally, so he's not the He's not

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Speaker 1: necessarily what you think of when you hear Democrat in anyway.

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Speaker 1: This guy, our buddy Gene, he chaired the House Rules

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Speaker 1: Committee at the time of this bill's passage, and uh,

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Speaker 1: he was super mad about the whole thing. He definitely

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Speaker 1: didn't like the Foreign Affairs Committee. They were tintoes down

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Speaker 1: on passing this act that gave the State Department all

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Speaker 1: this propagandistic power. Uh. He didn't really mince his words either.

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Speaker 1: Our boy Jen said things like the following. We'll give

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Speaker 1: the following. He says, this law is quote this committee consistent,

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Speaker 1: the House of Representatives. Uh, yeah, yeah, again, that's him.

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Speaker 1: And we'll continue with something he said about the State Department.

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Speaker 1: He said it was the cousiest outfit in town. And

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Speaker 1: Take him to church. Take him to church, Representative Cox. Uh,

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Speaker 1: as you can tell, this is not a particularly collegiate

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Speaker 1: for one reason. Despite all the sound and fury signifying nothing,

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Speaker 1: of time, thought and energy being put into persuading you

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Speaker 1: let's not forget that. This. You know, this group of

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Speaker 1: just constantly, never ceasingly promoting the Nazi Party, both from

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Speaker 1: what the stuff could do. Yeah, just so you know,

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Speaker 1: It's funny too because the s also had some very

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Speaker 1: of history that often gets ignored. But you know, this

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Speaker 1: this Smith Month Act, it passes because people disagree on

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Speaker 1: on an unprecedented new battle front, a non physical battle front.

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Speaker 1: we have to we have to acknowledge one thing. I think, man,

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Speaker 1: a lot of our fellow conspiracy realists are listening to

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Speaker 1: this now and they're going, hang on just a second,

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Speaker 1: Matt Ben or whatever they call you, doesn't the US

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Speaker 1: have a history of propaganda well before the nineteen forties horror. Well,

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Speaker 1: were clear messages put out by the government about the

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Speaker 1: the alcohol problem that we've all got. Uh. That's that's

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Speaker 1: what sticks most clearly in my mind. But it's not

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Speaker 1: just that. There's more. Right, Sure, even if we don't

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Speaker 1: during the time Smith Month Act passed. You could also

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Speaker 1: look at the smear campaign racist, racially based against cannabis. Right. Uh.

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Speaker 1: Why is this different though? Why is this propaganda different? Well, first,

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Speaker 1: Uncle Sam did not want to be seen is lowering

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Speaker 1: itself to Russian standards. Members of Congress would say, look,

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Speaker 1: the Soviet unions using domestic propagandas control their nation. We're

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Speaker 1: above that. Our voters are informed. Uh. And you know,

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Speaker 1: to be clear, regardless of anybody's opinions politically or geopolitically,

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Speaker 1: domestic propaganda today. Shout out RT and there are a

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Speaker 1: picking the minds of its own voters. And secondly, it

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Speaker 1: didn't trust itself. Uncle Sam didn't trust itself. Privately. I

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Speaker 1: love the point you raise about uh Nazis, because privately,

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Speaker 1: members of Congress during this time and in decades decades

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Speaker 1: sort of infiltration that UH national Socialist descendants would be

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Speaker 1: coming into the State Department spreading you know, dog whistles,

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Speaker 1: What they didn't know what would shake out. Basically, they

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Speaker 1: to the Smith Month Bill that said, hey, State Department,

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Speaker 1: You know it, you love it. It happens all the time. Uh,

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Speaker 1: and you know, no blame on anybody. This act was huge,

632
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Speaker 1: gigantic bill. Like, like you said, Matt, the Defense Authorization Act.

633
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Speaker 1: You know you love it. It happens often, right, don't

634
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Speaker 1: call it a come back. Uh. This time the Defense

635
00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:49,480
Speaker 1: Bill had a six hundred and forty two billion dollar

636
00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:52,280
Speaker 1: price tag. It had a lot of other controversial stuff

637
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:57,120
Speaker 1: in it too, like legalizing in definite detention in that

638
00:46:57,200 --> 00:47:01,560
Speaker 1: flies in the face of pretty much all jurisprudence in

639
00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:05,640
Speaker 1: the US beforehand. Also, just for a side note, prohibited

640
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:09,200
Speaker 1: gay marriage on military basis. Weird things are hidden in

641
00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:14,000
Speaker 1: this bill. Supporters said the change would help fight borderless enemies.

642
00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:17,839
Speaker 1: They're talking about terrorist groups like al Qaeda. Uh, they're

643
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:21,920
Speaker 1: propaganda at this point and today already reaches tons of

644
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:26,479
Speaker 1: US citizens online. So they said, look, we are going

645
00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:30,440
Speaker 1: to fight the fight in the theater it's being held.

646
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:32,920
Speaker 1: We need to be able to effectively lie to the

647
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:38,400
Speaker 1: American public. Critics said, this will turn a massive global again,

648
00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:43,879
Speaker 1: what's our turn information operation against the very people who

649
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:47,799
Speaker 1: was meant to protect U. S citizens? And folks were

650
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:50,319
Speaker 1: talking trash about this. But the problem is a lot

651
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:52,520
Speaker 1: of a lot of folks who were close to the

652
00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:57,600
Speaker 1: game had to talk trash anonymously us. I'm thinking in

653
00:47:57,640 --> 00:48:01,520
Speaker 1: particular of one pentagon of Scholl who said the quiet

654
00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:05,360
Speaker 1: part out loud. We need a gruff as nails military

655
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:09,480
Speaker 1: voice for this one. This new law removes the protection

656
00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:13,839
Speaker 1: for Americans. It removes oversight from the people who want

657
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:19,080
Speaker 1: to put out this information. There are no checks and balances.

658
00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:23,279
Speaker 1: No one knows if the information is accurate, partially accurate,

659
00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:34,000
Speaker 1: or entirely false. Nat, where did you go? You got

660
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:40,400
Speaker 1: a Hey, it's like a werewolf, except you transform into

661
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:45,320
Speaker 1: into a joint chief of status. Uh okay, this source

662
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:48,800
Speaker 1: is so well time. This source argues that the Smith

663
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:56,200
Speaker 1: Munt Act UH is targeted because it's preventing disseminating propaganda

664
00:48:56,840 --> 00:49:02,160
Speaker 1: meant to garner support for un popular policies like wars

665
00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:06,640
Speaker 1: in Ding, Iraq, or wars in Ding, Afghanistan, or wars

666
00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:09,879
Speaker 1: and ding Ding Ding Ding Ding the next ones. So

667
00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:13,279
Speaker 1: this source, as well as other critics, were freaked out

668
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:16,640
Speaker 1: that this two thousand and twelve act that made it

669
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:21,120
Speaker 1: legal US residents, listen, this made it legal for your

670
00:49:21,239 --> 00:49:23,759
Speaker 1: government to lie to you. They were freaked out that

671
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:29,360
Speaker 1: it passed under the radar most US residents, the majority

672
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:33,000
Speaker 1: didn't learn about it till afterwards, too late. And again

673
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:37,480
Speaker 1: a significant portion of the US does not know about

674
00:49:37,520 --> 00:49:39,600
Speaker 1: this today. Well, what are you gonna do as a

675
00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:44,120
Speaker 1: US citizen? Are you going to call your senator and say, hey,

676
00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:48,839
Speaker 1: please don't pass that entire huge National Defense Authorization Act

677
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:50,759
Speaker 1: because there is one thing in it that we don't like,

678
00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:54,000
Speaker 1: So we're just gonna have to sit on it. You're

679
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:56,800
Speaker 1: gonna be the squeaky wheel and all of your colleagues

680
00:49:56,800 --> 00:50:00,239
Speaker 1: are gonna want to pass it. But uh sorry, yeah,

681
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:02,000
Speaker 1: you don't get to you because I'm one voter and

682
00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:05,480
Speaker 1: I'm saying please don't right. And I went to a

683
00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:09,640
Speaker 1: high school class about how democracy works. Please don't make

684
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:15,000
Speaker 1: that unreal for me. So the USA Today had already found,

685
00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:17,319
Speaker 1: all right, there's a thing that happens. So this is

686
00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:22,319
Speaker 1: the State Department doing propaganda. The Pentagon is already doing propaganda.

687
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:25,520
Speaker 1: And a lot of reporting about this act people sort

688
00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:29,799
Speaker 1: of conflated the things which shouldn't be conflated. The Pentagon

689
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:35,279
Speaker 1: has its own Cadillac in this car show, and the

690
00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:40,360
Speaker 1: some intrepid reporters at USA Today found that the Pentagon

691
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:46,200
Speaker 1: already spends something like four billion dollars a year. Two

692
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:51,200
Speaker 1: sway public opinion for Billiard again not to be to

693
00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:54,759
Speaker 1: Mike Myers about it. In two thousand eleven, the year

694
00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:58,200
Speaker 1: before this propaganda green light hit on you, if you're

695
00:50:58,239 --> 00:51:01,560
Speaker 1: listening and live in the US, the d D Department

696
00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:04,320
Speaker 1: of the Defense had already spent two or two million

697
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:09,600
Speaker 1: dollars on information ops psy ops in justin Rock and Afghanistan.

698
00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:12,759
Speaker 1: And as for those USA Today reporters who broke that

699
00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:19,120
Speaker 1: spending story, they were targeted, likely by Pentagon contractors. These

700
00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:23,279
Speaker 1: contractors made fake social media accounts, They did their best

701
00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:26,880
Speaker 1: to discredit those reporters. I'm just saying where they're smoke

702
00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:32,640
Speaker 1: dot dot dot ellipses until this two thousand twelve change.

703
00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:37,400
Speaker 1: Oh man, so much programming that was. We're talking about

704
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:42,160
Speaker 1: this off air, Matt b BG. Yeah, the Broadcasting Board

705
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:44,239
Speaker 1: of Governors' is a weird thing. You probably don't know

706
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:47,160
Speaker 1: about it. I didn't know really anything about it until

707
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:49,400
Speaker 1: this episode, and I've got years ago and when we

708
00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:52,959
Speaker 1: talked about this. But it's a weird. There's a whole

709
00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:57,120
Speaker 1: group of systems in place that the entire purpose of

710
00:51:57,160 --> 00:52:02,279
Speaker 1: those systems is to propaga dies other countries. That's like

711
00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:04,480
Speaker 1: the Voice of America thing that we just talked about.

712
00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:07,640
Speaker 1: This thing, Oh, it's the IBB, but it's something different.

713
00:52:07,640 --> 00:52:12,319
Speaker 1: But I can't remember the International I can't remember what

714
00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:15,000
Speaker 1: it is. Hold on, I'm gonna find I'm gonna remember this.

715
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:22,360
Speaker 1: The IBB became something else, the International Broadcasting Bureau, which

716
00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:26,799
Speaker 1: is an independent agency of the United States government, and

717
00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:31,840
Speaker 1: I think it became something else called the US Agency

718
00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:35,160
Speaker 1: for Global Media. It's just have you heard of these things?

719
00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:38,080
Speaker 1: I have not heard of these things. These this is crazy.

720
00:52:38,239 --> 00:52:40,200
Speaker 1: This is not a court of law. I have not

721
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:46,600
Speaker 1: required to make the State staff all right, you're right though.

722
00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:49,359
Speaker 1: You're right though. The names change, right, and they can

723
00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:52,680
Speaker 1: seem um, they can all seem innoculous, and they can

724
00:52:52,719 --> 00:52:56,480
Speaker 1: all seem unrelated. That's a very big part of this story, man.

725
00:52:56,800 --> 00:52:58,839
Speaker 1: And there's others. I'm just gonna name some of these off,

726
00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:04,839
Speaker 1: um you Free Europe Radio, Liberty, the Middle East Broadcasting Networks. Uh,

727
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:09,399
Speaker 1: there's a whole list of them that you can find online. Um.

728
00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:12,680
Speaker 1: It is just very strange because until this two thousand

729
00:53:12,719 --> 00:53:15,080
Speaker 1: twelve change, you had to be in a different country,

730
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:17,880
Speaker 1: not in the US, to hear any of that stuff.

731
00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:22,400
Speaker 1: But as we mentioned just briefly earlier, because of an

732
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:26,440
Speaker 1: online presence of these you know, everything has an online presence.

733
00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:29,799
Speaker 1: Now we're in two thousand twelve. Remember, Uh, you can

734
00:53:29,960 --> 00:53:32,319
Speaker 1: access that information, but you gotta know what it is,

735
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:34,799
Speaker 1: where to find it, and how to gain access to it.

736
00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:40,360
Speaker 1: And this programming can vary in tone, quality and content,

737
00:53:40,920 --> 00:53:44,000
Speaker 1: but it's got a huge reach, make no mistake. It's

738
00:53:44,080 --> 00:53:47,879
Speaker 1: viewed in more than one hundred countries in probably more

739
00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:51,320
Speaker 1: than sixty one languages at this point. And the topics

740
00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:55,040
Speaker 1: include stuff like human rights abuses in Iran, which is

741
00:53:55,080 --> 00:53:58,360
Speaker 1: a true thing, self immolation into bat which is also

742
00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:01,719
Speaker 1: a true thing human try aficking. Uh, there's on the

743
00:54:01,719 --> 00:54:05,440
Speaker 1: ground reporting in the Middle East altogether. That doesn't sound

744
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:08,760
Speaker 1: too bad, right, Uh. And that's where we get the

745
00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:12,799
Speaker 1: statements from supporters like spokespeople for Voice of America and

746
00:54:13,600 --> 00:54:18,320
Speaker 1: people who support aiming propaganda at the United States domestic audience.

747
00:54:18,640 --> 00:54:24,440
Speaker 1: They say, one, we're not saying that this is a propaganda,

748
00:54:24,560 --> 00:54:27,200
Speaker 1: We're just saying this stuff is important because you know,

749
00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:31,239
Speaker 1: the we gotta counter this anti American, you know, pro

750
00:54:31,480 --> 00:54:35,440
Speaker 1: terrorist sentiment. And then second, true right, I mean it

751
00:54:35,600 --> 00:54:38,920
Speaker 1: is the true sentiment against the United States is strong

752
00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:43,480
Speaker 1: and many parts of the world, and these groups, specifically

753
00:54:43,560 --> 00:54:47,680
Speaker 1: the IBB and the bb G, they their mission is

754
00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:53,240
Speaker 1: to counter literally to counteract that programming that's being offered

755
00:54:53,320 --> 00:55:00,480
Speaker 1: essentially by enemies, if you will. Yeah, yeah, And uh. Second,

756
00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:05,600
Speaker 1: the supporters would say there's a potential advantage in targeting

757
00:55:06,560 --> 00:55:11,920
Speaker 1: insular based, often expact communities in the United States. There's

758
00:55:11,960 --> 00:55:15,600
Speaker 1: a great article in Foreign Policy that describes how this

759
00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:21,000
Speaker 1: sort of stuff can reach a large Somali expat community

760
00:55:21,080 --> 00:55:24,080
Speaker 1: in St. Paul, Minnesota. If you're familiar with St. Paul,

761
00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:27,040
Speaker 1: you know that there is a large uh, there is

762
00:55:27,160 --> 00:55:32,760
Speaker 1: large community people from Somalia, descended from, or have moved

763
00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:37,759
Speaker 1: from and in parts of Somalia. Supporters of these propaganda

764
00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:42,160
Speaker 1: movements will argue, you only have a few news sources,

765
00:55:42,239 --> 00:55:45,280
Speaker 1: You have pro Johadas stuff, you have word of mouth,

766
00:55:45,360 --> 00:55:48,600
Speaker 1: and then you have like Voice of America in some

767
00:55:48,680 --> 00:55:52,279
Speaker 1: sort of weird brand name that doesn't sound like such

768
00:55:52,280 --> 00:55:55,160
Speaker 1: an op. So they're saying, you know, you can reach

769
00:55:55,239 --> 00:55:59,800
Speaker 1: people this way. And then the third argument transparency. Do

770
00:56:00,160 --> 00:56:03,040
Speaker 1: s taxpayers paying for it? Why can't they see what

771
00:56:03,120 --> 00:56:06,760
Speaker 1: they're paying for? Won't this solve the problem? I would

772
00:56:06,760 --> 00:56:10,200
Speaker 1: pose it that last point would make sense if it

773
00:56:10,239 --> 00:56:14,399
Speaker 1: didn't come off hypocritical, because we can fast forward through

774
00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:19,880
Speaker 1: some of this. The US is already waging information warfare

775
00:56:20,040 --> 00:56:25,880
Speaker 1: online through proxies. Right It's it's throwing the brick and

776
00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:30,360
Speaker 1: hiding its hand all across the world. The Washington Post

777
00:56:30,440 --> 00:56:33,880
Speaker 1: noted the military is more focused on manipulating news and

778
00:56:33,960 --> 00:56:38,040
Speaker 1: commentary on the Internet, especially social media, by posting material

779
00:56:38,040 --> 00:56:42,759
Speaker 1: and images without necessarily claiming ownership. So from that we

780
00:56:42,800 --> 00:56:45,799
Speaker 1: can say the transparency is good. It seems only so

781
00:56:45,960 --> 00:56:51,239
Speaker 1: long as that transparency makes the propagandists look good. And

782
00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:54,640
Speaker 1: supporters of this movement will say, Okay, hey, this is

783
00:56:54,680 --> 00:56:57,960
Speaker 1: an about the Pentagon, and that's a different conversation, which

784
00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:00,560
Speaker 1: is a lot like who don't bother me. I'm trying

785
00:57:00,560 --> 00:57:03,959
Speaker 1: to make a point here. Either way, this one little

786
00:57:04,040 --> 00:57:07,360
Speaker 1: law is the tip of much larger iceberg. It's the

787
00:57:07,719 --> 00:57:12,440
Speaker 1: stray brush of paint in the foreground of of a bigger,

788
00:57:12,560 --> 00:57:17,360
Speaker 1: more disturbing picture. I mean, you know, we're going long

789
00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:20,600
Speaker 1: on this one. We can summarize, but if you've listened

790
00:57:20,640 --> 00:57:24,560
Speaker 1: to our earlier episodes, you know already that that the

791
00:57:24,640 --> 00:57:29,840
Speaker 1: US government has created sock puppets social media accounts. Uh,

792
00:57:29,880 --> 00:57:36,480
Speaker 1: there's software being used by the US government to monitor

793
00:57:36,600 --> 00:57:41,760
Speaker 1: and intervene in social media debates. We know that there

794
00:57:41,760 --> 00:57:47,040
Speaker 1: were also psy ops deployed against not American civilians, not

795
00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:51,520
Speaker 1: just American civilians, but US politicians visiting Kabul in two

796
00:57:51,520 --> 00:57:57,280
Speaker 1: thousand one that was under General William Caldwell. And spookier

797
00:57:57,360 --> 00:58:02,080
Speaker 1: aspect of this, I think, Matt is something like you

798
00:58:02,120 --> 00:58:04,800
Speaker 1: and I were thinking about this in group mind kind

799
00:58:04,840 --> 00:58:08,960
Speaker 1: of stuff. This domestic propaganda, like the foreign stuff, it's

800
00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:13,800
Speaker 1: not a scatter shot necessarily. It can be very, very

801
00:58:13,880 --> 00:58:19,640
Speaker 1: targeted with a disturbing degree of accuracy. Yeah, I mean

802
00:58:20,200 --> 00:58:24,640
Speaker 1: that means particular religions or belief systems can be targeted,

803
00:58:24,680 --> 00:58:27,880
Speaker 1: or at least the population of people can be targeted

804
00:58:27,960 --> 00:58:30,800
Speaker 1: if they believe a certain thing and they watch certain

805
00:58:30,920 --> 00:58:33,280
Speaker 1: channels let's see on on television, or if they're in

806
00:58:33,320 --> 00:58:37,760
Speaker 1: certain social media groups. You know, that could be really dangerous.

807
00:58:38,160 --> 00:58:42,320
Speaker 1: You could also target people based on their ethnicity or

808
00:58:42,360 --> 00:58:45,440
Speaker 1: you know, any other things like their sexual orientation. Right

809
00:58:45,680 --> 00:58:49,040
Speaker 1: with what social media companies have on each and every

810
00:58:49,040 --> 00:58:52,960
Speaker 1: one of us, any number of groups can be targeted.

811
00:58:53,000 --> 00:58:56,920
Speaker 1: I mean it's infinite, really Yeah. And the scary thing

812
00:58:57,080 --> 00:59:00,200
Speaker 1: is maybe this is where we end today's explery. And

813
00:59:00,240 --> 00:59:05,440
Speaker 1: the scariest thing is this change occurred in two thousand

814
00:59:05,480 --> 00:59:09,160
Speaker 1: and twelve. That means, while you are listening to this today,

815
00:59:09,440 --> 00:59:12,840
Speaker 1: if you have not heard of this idea before, it

816
00:59:12,880 --> 00:59:17,600
Speaker 1: has been happening for a decade in the United States.

817
00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:22,240
Speaker 1: Now there's more to the conversation. We can ask, you know,

818
00:59:22,440 --> 00:59:25,360
Speaker 1: what is the right of the taxpayer, what is the

819
00:59:26,400 --> 00:59:29,840
Speaker 1: what is the right of uh, you know, what's the

820
00:59:29,880 --> 00:59:35,600
Speaker 1: importance of informed consent to information? Is it the lesser

821
00:59:35,680 --> 00:59:39,200
Speaker 1: of two evils? You know, if if the US didn't

822
00:59:39,280 --> 00:59:43,960
Speaker 1: make this call, would it just be inundated by more

823
00:59:45,720 --> 00:59:50,280
Speaker 1: psy ops from other countries or private entities? Does? How

824
00:59:50,320 --> 00:59:54,280
Speaker 1: close does it get to the slippery slope of living

825
00:59:54,320 --> 00:59:57,760
Speaker 1: in an information bubble like the Democratic People's Republic of

826
00:59:57,840 --> 01:00:01,160
Speaker 1: Korea or North Korea. Those might be questions for another day.

827
01:00:01,200 --> 01:00:03,240
Speaker 1: I think, Well, for me, it's it's how can I

828
01:00:03,320 --> 01:00:07,040
Speaker 1: trust anything any official message that the government sends me

829
01:00:07,160 --> 01:00:10,720
Speaker 1: when I know they have the ability to and are

830
01:00:10,760 --> 01:00:15,320
Speaker 1: well within their legal rights to bs me about stuff

831
01:00:15,880 --> 01:00:20,000
Speaker 1: like Wow, what do I trust? Then that? That? Well,

832
01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:23,520
Speaker 1: it messes with me when I think about that. Um,

833
01:00:23,560 --> 01:00:27,320
Speaker 1: And I'm not somebody who's particularly anti United States government,

834
01:00:27,360 --> 01:00:31,440
Speaker 1: you know at all? Or whatever. I just I can't trust.

835
01:00:32,200 --> 01:00:34,160
Speaker 1: I can't trust them if I know they can lie

836
01:00:34,240 --> 01:00:38,000
Speaker 1: to me like that. And it's cool. And this is

837
01:00:38,040 --> 01:00:42,560
Speaker 1: where we passed the torch to you, fellow conspiracy realists.

838
01:00:42,600 --> 01:00:46,760
Speaker 1: We cannot wait to hear your opinions in the interest

839
01:00:46,840 --> 01:00:50,280
Speaker 1: of full disclosure. Yes, Matt and I are aware that

840
01:00:50,360 --> 01:00:54,680
Speaker 1: there's a high likelihood several of our audience members today

841
01:00:55,040 --> 01:00:59,240
Speaker 1: may have first had knowledge of the operations we are describing.

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Speaker 1: cost benefit analysis? If you, like Matt or your faithful

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Speaker 1: the repeal of this part of the smith Mount Act,

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Speaker 1: wait to hear from you. Find us online, Facebook, Instagram, Twitter,

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Speaker 1: uh YouTube. Also we have a we have a book.

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Speaker 1: We can't wait to hear what you think about that.

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Speaker 1: If you don't sip the social needs, if the propaganda,

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Speaker 1: for you, if you're a more like person to person

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Speaker 1: If you've got more to say than you can fit

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Speaker 1: in that three minute voicemail message, why not instead send

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