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Speaker 2: You ever notice how people treat their cars like members

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Speaker 2: angela comes on. Then it's like get out, you know,

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Speaker 2: It's like suddenly, oh, maybe it'll go away, or maybe

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Speaker 2: you should go away. It's sort of like that member

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Speaker 2: of the family that's being a pain in the neck.

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Speaker 2: I had a customer this week with a Honda CRV

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Speaker 2: that came into the shop. Nice lady, a sweet person.

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Speaker 2: She walked in carrying one of those giant pocket books

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Speaker 2: so big it looked like it would keep soup hot

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Speaker 2: until after labor day. You know, I'm not sure how

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Speaker 2: much coffee she drinks, but she definitely was on that

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Speaker 2: caffeine kick. Ron, My car's making a strange noise. Well,

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Speaker 2: whenever I hear strange noise, you know, strange noise to

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Speaker 2: a mechanic, you start playing twenty questions in your head.

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Speaker 2: You do, I mean, it's just part of being a mechanic.

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Speaker 2: Is it a squeak? Is it a rattle? Is it

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Speaker 2: a clunk, a growl, a chirp, a bang? You know,

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Speaker 2: or they'll hit you with that. That my favorite description.

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Speaker 2: I always think of the movie Goodfellows. They go, it

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Speaker 2: sounds funny, funny? How like do you make me laugh?

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Speaker 2: You know? It's is it funny? To who? Jerry Seinfeld? So,

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Speaker 2: you know, in order to diagnose it a little fur

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Speaker 2: before we go out for the inevitable ride that I

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Speaker 2: know we're going on. When does it make the noise.

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Speaker 2: And this is the scariest thing a customer will ever

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Speaker 2: say to you, mostly when my husband drives it. So

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Speaker 2: now you're heading into marriage counseling territory. You're ready to

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Speaker 2: turn your shirt around, get the white collar, become the priest,

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Speaker 2: you know, And you say, can you describe the noise?

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Speaker 2: And she thinks for a second, and her description of

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Speaker 2: the noise, I swear to God, I should write a book.

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Speaker 2: She said, it sounds expensive. What the heck does expensive

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Speaker 2: sound like? I don't know what that is. So, you know,

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Speaker 2: after all these years in the business, that's probably the

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Speaker 2: most accurate description a customer has ever given me. You know,

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Speaker 2: what does it sound like? It sounds expensive? Great cars

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Speaker 2: have a category of noises they do. There's probably okay,

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Speaker 2: there goes my Saturday, or oh god, turn the radio up.

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Speaker 2: So we get outside to the parking lot and we

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Speaker 2: go for a ride. Now the husband's sitting in the

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Speaker 2: He's just sitting there locked on. You know, Oh God,

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Speaker 2: my wife's gonna yell at me. Nice guy quiet nervous.

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Speaker 2: He's just staring straight out the window. It's like we're

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Speaker 2: either going to a funeral or a court. I couldn't

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Speaker 2: quite figure it out. And every time he accelerates, there's

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Speaker 2: this grinding, rattling noise from under the vehicle. You ever

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Speaker 2: watch You ever watch two people have a fight without

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Speaker 2: saying a word, right, the wife kind of folds her

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Speaker 2: Guys know what it is. It's the look your wife

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Speaker 2: gives you when when you say no, I can fix

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Speaker 2: So we go back to the shop, they get out

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Speaker 2: And I get it up in the air ten seconds later,

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Speaker 2: like a half a bag. You know those you know

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Speaker 2: landscaping rocks that you see around properties. Well, they had

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Speaker 2: plastic shield. And the husband when I explained this to

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Speaker 2: them and I brought them out, and you know, here's

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Speaker 2: you know, she gave him that look and the husband

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Speaker 2: kind of looked at the ground and you know, scratched

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Speaker 2: kind of cutting corners a little bit, and okay, And

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Speaker 2: and he's they're sliding around every time he accelerates and

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Speaker 2: here's the best part, right again, father Ron. The wife

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Speaker 2: looks at me and she says, I knew it. I

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Speaker 2: knew it was him. Not oh, thank goodness, not oh

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Speaker 2: is that all it was? Not? Oh it's not a fortune.

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Speaker 2: I knew it. You see. And this is the God's

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Speaker 2: honest truth. Not to make this a show about marriage,

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Speaker 2: but every married couple, or every everybody that's together with

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Speaker 2: isn't transportation anymore. It really isn't. It's evidence, all right,

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Speaker 2: It's it's just because the husband goes into defense mode.

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Speaker 2: Well maybe if somebody didn't put giant boulders next to

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Speaker 2: the driveway. Danny's running, Danny's running out the front door.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to lunch. Danny, It's ten thirty in the morning.

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Speaker 2: What do you mean you're going to lunch? Right, And

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Speaker 2: she fires back, well, if somebody drove like a normal person.

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Speaker 2: And I'm standing there in the middle of this, I'll

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Speaker 2: call it an automotive episode of Judge Judy. And I'm

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Speaker 2: holding a handful of home Depot river Rock. You know

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Speaker 2: what amazes me. Cars become the center of everyday life,

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Speaker 2: They really do. They are so much the focal point

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Speaker 2: of our lives, and we don't even realize it because

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Speaker 2: every important moment, every big moment, a lot of great

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Speaker 2: moments happen around a car. First dates, road trips, family vacations,

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Speaker 2: night food runs, arguments, makeups, singing badly to the radio

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Speaker 2: when nobody's looking. I've seen Tom. I have a camera

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Speaker 2: in his car. Tom's out there, whale in a way.

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Speaker 2: Cars are where life happens. It does. Life happens in

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Speaker 2: an automobile, and I think that's why you guys get

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Speaker 2: emotional about them, because even though mechanics think they are,

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Speaker 2: we don't just fix transportation. I think a lot of

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Speaker 2: us we're fixing your memories, We're fixing your routine, were

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Speaker 2: fixing your ability to get through the work. And then

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Speaker 2: sometimes we become therapists. I'm not sure. I'm not sure

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Speaker 2: if that's a good thing, because I can't tell you

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Speaker 2: how many customers start a conversation with And this is

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Speaker 2: the most dangerous phrase that a customer can give you

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Speaker 2: is while I'm here, which is another way of saying

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Speaker 2: I forgot to tell you. By the way, add this

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Speaker 2: on or increase the pile up. Boys. Sure hope this

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Speaker 2: doesn't cost more. But I need this to because while

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Speaker 2: I'm here can mean the dog is sick. It's all

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Speaker 2: the things you hear about. It's got nothing to do

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Speaker 2: know the dog is sick. I really need the car

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Speaker 2: because the dog is sick and I'm gonna have to

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Speaker 2: take them to the vet in three days or to

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Speaker 2: put them down. And then you got to hear that

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Speaker 2: whole story. I had somebody called the shop this week

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Speaker 2: for an inspection, and I got to hear. As I

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Speaker 2: hear everything she was doing for next week that started

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Speaker 2: off with a colonoscot beyond Tuesday, to attending physical therapy

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Speaker 2: in the following week. TMI brother. Sometimes they hear the

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Speaker 2: kids away at college, the husband's retired, the wife wants

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Speaker 2: that a lot. Oh, my neighbor's kind of annoying, So

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Speaker 2: I need to get a new car, or can you

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Speaker 2: and having them tell me what they think is wrong

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Speaker 2: because I really don't like them. But maybe I'll move,

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Speaker 2: but I can't really find out.

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Speaker 3: I don't care.

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Speaker 2: I just want to fix the car. Sometimes you guys

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Speaker 2: need another human being just to listen to you for

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Speaker 2: five minutes. It's the God's honest truth. The things people

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Speaker 2: tell me at the counter, it's just hysterical. And all

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Speaker 2: you came in for was an oil change. I, honest

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Speaker 2: to God, think it's you want an oil change in

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Speaker 2: fifteen minutes of therapy. And to be honest with you,

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Speaker 2: that's why I love doing this radio show, and that's

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Speaker 2: why I'm still in the business after all these years,

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Speaker 2: because underneath all the technology and the scan tools and

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Speaker 2: the software and the updates, and cars still connect people,

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Speaker 2: and people connect the cars. And you know, even when

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Speaker 2: got rocks in their head, well, it's still a connection

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Speaker 2: and it's still important. It makes us all human. I'm

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Speaker 2: not an any in the car Doctor, Yes, sir, Oh no,

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Speaker 2: oh no, I thought I was going to get out

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Speaker 2: of this segment. Yes, sir, no, no, I'm just busting

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Speaker 2: your jobs, busting your job. I'm getting better at this. Huh.

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Speaker 2: By the way, have you been down Route seventeen yet? No?

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Speaker 2: I haven't. I haven't had a chance. There's a there's

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Speaker 2: a rumor I've seen it. By the way, anybody in

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Speaker 2: North Jersey, if you want to go see something really neat,

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Speaker 2: if you drive down Route seventeen or up Root seventeen.

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Speaker 2: If you get to Root seventeen in Rutherford, New Jersey,

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Speaker 2: you go find the quality Ford Dealership right there after

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Speaker 2: the railroad trestle. All right, And if you look up

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Speaker 2: up in the sky, it's a bird. It's a plane.

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Speaker 2: It's ron An Annie In the car doctor, We've got

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Speaker 2: a thirty by sixty billboard, and I'm sitting here looking

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Speaker 2: at you right now on a video link. Why do

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Speaker 2: I need to see you on a billboard?

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Speaker 2: Tom, it's the greatest thing known. It talks about us

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Speaker 2: being America's number one automotive show, about America's favorite working mechanic.

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Speaker 2: Everybody loves me. They don't like you so much. You're

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Speaker 2: not on the billboard yet, but if you keep trying,

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Speaker 2: I'll get you. I promise. Let's pull over and take

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Speaker 2: a pause. Car advice done right. I'm Ronning, Andy and

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Speaker 2: the Guard Doctor. We're back right after this. Before I

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Speaker 2: tell you what's going on at the bottom of the hour,

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Speaker 2: is for Justin out in Orange County, California. Justin's a

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Speaker 2: longtime listener of the show, sends me an email. Hey, Ron,

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Speaker 2: we observe Memorial Day because it's just it's just that important.

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Speaker 2: You know, you talk to a veteran and they're just

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Speaker 2: real quick that Uncle Steve. When he graduated flight training,

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Speaker 2: You know, the Second World War ran from forty one

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Speaker 2: Now is the story of wasn't there a story when

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Speaker 4: ever took was in a Piper cub and the instructor was,

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00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:21,280
Speaker 4: of course at the stick, and we took off. We

429
00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:25,320
Speaker 4: got the fifty feet off the ground, the engine cut out.

430
00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:27,879
Speaker 4: He ran out of gas, and I thought that was

431
00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:31,120
Speaker 4: a pretty stupid thing myself. So it was a good

432
00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:34,640
Speaker 4: lesson for me because after that, every time I climbed

433
00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:38,800
Speaker 4: into my plane, I always put my finger into the

434
00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:42,879
Speaker 4: gas filling cap on the airplane, and if I couldn't

435
00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:45,280
Speaker 4: feel the gasoline, that tank was empty, and it made

436
00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:47,000
Speaker 4: him fill it up right to the top.

437
00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:50,080
Speaker 2: You knew it was a problem. So you went over

438
00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:53,560
Speaker 2: seas in August of forty four. Your first combat mission

439
00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:55,919
Speaker 2: was when was it? Was it right away or did

440
00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:58,240
Speaker 2: they give you some time to break into the operations

441
00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:00,480
Speaker 2: and circumstances we had?

442
00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:05,080
Speaker 4: You know, would call it training in the P fifty

443
00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:08,360
Speaker 4: one because I had never thrown the P fifty one before,

444
00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:12,119
Speaker 4: and I guess I had about five or six hours

445
00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:16,080
Speaker 4: flying time in the P fifty one. But we did

446
00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:20,080
Speaker 4: have ground training where we learned the operation of mechanical

447
00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:24,960
Speaker 4: operations of the Mustang, and we were fairly briefed on

448
00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:29,600
Speaker 4: the flying characteristics and the routines that you had to

449
00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:34,360
Speaker 4: go through. But my first flight was October fifth, nineteen

450
00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:35,040
Speaker 4: forty four.

451
00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:37,600
Speaker 2: And there's something special about that, isn't it. And that's

452
00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:40,280
Speaker 2: really the point of all this today, that that really

453
00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:43,320
Speaker 2: was a very special flight for you because you almost

454
00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:44,160
Speaker 2: didn't make it back.

455
00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:48,400
Speaker 4: It sure was I was, for we were flying over

456
00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:55,400
Speaker 4: the Haligo and in occupied Holland, and I was hit

457
00:23:55,480 --> 00:24:01,000
Speaker 4: by anti aircraft fire and my engine just would not

458
00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:04,439
Speaker 4: give us, give me any power. I lost power and

459
00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:07,240
Speaker 4: I came down. I called my element leader and told

460
00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:09,080
Speaker 4: him that I was hit and I was going down.

461
00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:16,440
Speaker 4: But as I lost altitude, I started to recain some

462
00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:20,040
Speaker 4: power and I realized then that what my problem was.

463
00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:24,439
Speaker 4: I had been hit in my supercharger. And when I

464
00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:27,400
Speaker 4: got down to about ten thousand feet, I had enough

465
00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:31,119
Speaker 4: power to sustain flight. And of course I was heading

466
00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:36,159
Speaker 4: back home by this time, and we I flew the

467
00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:40,520
Speaker 4: airplane and I noticed that my oil pressure was dropping

468
00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:47,520
Speaker 4: and the EPI fifty one mustein the supercharger is engaged

469
00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:51,560
Speaker 4: by engine oil pressure, and so I realized then that

470
00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:55,800
Speaker 4: I was losing oil and the engines started to overheat.

471
00:24:56,400 --> 00:25:02,000
Speaker 4: And I remember once one of our enginey off engineering

472
00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:06,439
Speaker 4: officers jokingly said that there's plenty of oil in the

473
00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:08,760
Speaker 4: sump of the engine. If you could ever get it

474
00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:11,159
Speaker 4: up to the top as you you'd be able to

475
00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:16,199
Speaker 4: lubricate the engine and cool it off. And so I

476
00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:19,960
Speaker 4: shook the wings of aircraft finally and splashed some of

477
00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:23,439
Speaker 4: the oil in the stump on to the sidewalls of

478
00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:26,959
Speaker 4: the cylinders, and it worked that the engine started the

479
00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:30,439
Speaker 4: cool oi you know, just start dropping and I was

480
00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:33,479
Speaker 4: able to sustain and fight for about forty five minutes.

481
00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:36,479
Speaker 2: So that plane flew for an addition, and you started

482
00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:37,920
Speaker 2: out at what twenty thousand feet?

483
00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:41,000
Speaker 4: How high up were you on you twenty twenty one thousand.

484
00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:43,359
Speaker 2: Feet, So you took a round through the supercharger, oil

485
00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:46,159
Speaker 2: cooler line or the oil feed line. The plane started

486
00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:49,760
Speaker 2: to lose oil pressure and power and you basically dead

487
00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:52,879
Speaker 2: sticked it or flew with no power from Holland, and

488
00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:55,840
Speaker 2: you eventually were able to glide out to the English Channel.

489
00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:59,600
Speaker 4: Correct, No, I had power, okay, because the power was

490
00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:03,960
Speaker 4: you know, below ten thousand feet you don't need a supercharger,

491
00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:07,719
Speaker 4: and the engine had enough power to sustain flight. So

492
00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:13,160
Speaker 4: the engine was running and we flew across the channel.

493
00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:17,000
Speaker 4: As we got out to the you know, water from

494
00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:20,760
Speaker 4: Holland crossed out into the North Sea, we were met

495
00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:25,760
Speaker 4: by three sevens from Air Sea Rescue, so they escorted me.

496
00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:30,840
Speaker 4: And of course the real the tough part was at

497
00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:34,800
Speaker 4: that day there was joel force winds over the North

498
00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:36,200
Speaker 4: Sea and the English Channel.

499
00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:38,439
Speaker 2: All right, hold it right there, Uncle Steve, because I

500
00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:40,320
Speaker 2: want to keep everybody in a little bit of suspense,

501
00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:43,439
Speaker 2: and let's pull over. Let's take a pause for the cause.

502
00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:45,880
Speaker 2: When we come back, we'll talk a little bit about

503
00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:47,919
Speaker 2: what those gel force winds did to you. So if

504
00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:50,600
Speaker 2: you could just sit tight and hold your propeller as

505
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:52,960
Speaker 2: it were. I'm Ronningeni and the Car Doctor, joined by

506
00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:56,000
Speaker 2: my uncle Steve here talking about what went on that

507
00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:58,200
Speaker 2: day in October nineteen forty four, and we'll both be

508
00:26:58,320 --> 00:26:59,159
Speaker 2: right back right after this.

509
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:28,280
Speaker 5: Must have enough, baby, Hey, hey, hey, welcome back.

510
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:30,320
Speaker 2: I'm Ronning Aye and the Car Doctor, joined this hour

511
00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:33,159
Speaker 2: by Uncle Steven Andanian. We've got one of the elder

512
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:35,359
Speaker 2: and Indians with us today and we're just discussing his

513
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:38,200
Speaker 2: exploits during the Second World War. Uncle Steve, when we left,

514
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:41,439
Speaker 2: you were talking about the plane that you were in

515
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:44,920
Speaker 2: which had the oil pressure line taken out by anti

516
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:48,359
Speaker 2: aircraft fire. You were somewhere over the English Channel with

517
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:50,720
Speaker 2: gail force winds. So pick it up from there and

518
00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:51,640
Speaker 2: tell us what happened.

519
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:57,919
Speaker 4: Well, what happened is eventually had you know, loss was

520
00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:02,800
Speaker 4: losing oil steadily, and I had lost the oil that

521
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:07,439
Speaker 4: they kept the propeller pitch, and I had developed a

522
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:13,719
Speaker 4: runaway propeller. And then the it starts the overheat and

523
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:16,920
Speaker 4: the flags were coming into the cockpit and I had

524
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:21,119
Speaker 4: to bear out, and so I beare out into the

525
00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:25,000
Speaker 4: English Channel or North Sea. Actually, uh, and.

526
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:27,600
Speaker 2: In October, that's got to be a little bit cold.

527
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:31,879
Speaker 4: Well, the week before we had one of our powers

528
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:35,879
Speaker 4: went down in the English Channel and he was alive

529
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:40,280
Speaker 4: for six minutes before he died from the water temperature

530
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:42,680
Speaker 4: and a shot. So, yeah, it was cold.

531
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:44,440
Speaker 2: I'm sure that was on your mind that day.

532
00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:49,680
Speaker 4: Yeah. But I was being escorted by Tom Rich who

533
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:52,800
Speaker 4: was my element leader, and when he when I hit

534
00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:57,760
Speaker 4: the water, my parachute skipped, dragging me across the top

535
00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:00,600
Speaker 4: of the waves from one wave up to another. And

536
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:05,400
Speaker 4: he came down and with his propeller he deflated the parachute.

537
00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:10,320
Speaker 4: I guess the prop wash from the propeller was successful.

538
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:14,160
Speaker 4: He made two or three passes before and suddenly it

539
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:18,640
Speaker 4: succeeded and I stopped being dragged, And of course then

540
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 4: there was all sorts of die markers and I was

541
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:23,240
Speaker 4: in the water. It was cold. I was hanging on

542
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:26,560
Speaker 4: to my dingy. I couldn't care climbing to the dingy

543
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:30,840
Speaker 4: because my parachute was acting like a sea anchor, dragging

544
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:34,360
Speaker 4: me under. So I had just barely enough strength to

545
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:37,040
Speaker 4: keep on the side. And what I did is, when

546
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:39,240
Speaker 4: I was in the water it was cold, I just

547
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:42,600
Speaker 4: started to exercise my feet and my ankle and my

548
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 4: you know, moved my arms around to keep the circulation going.

549
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:50,240
Speaker 4: And it worked. I was in the water for about

550
00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:51,560
Speaker 4: forty five minutes, I guess.

551
00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:54,560
Speaker 2: And you're spread out now, yet you have dime markers

552
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:58,040
Speaker 2: on a quarterm sorry you have you have die markers down.

553
00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:01,160
Speaker 2: You're hanging on to your to your life preserver, your

554
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:05,280
Speaker 2: your inflatable dinghy, and and you know, and how big

555
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:07,560
Speaker 2: of a square area of ocean this, this can't be

556
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 2: an easy thing for people to find.

557
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:12,480
Speaker 4: Oh no, this is in fact the problem was there

558
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 4: with all the Air Force windows there were, there was

559
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:19,000
Speaker 4: white tops all over and they had trouble locating me initially,

560
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:24,680
Speaker 4: but Tom Rich was able to find me and he meanwhile,

561
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:28,520
Speaker 4: I'd gotten on the radio and called uh any may

562
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:31,200
Speaker 4: day to any ships in the area, and there was

563
00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:34,479
Speaker 4: a couple of there was an air sea rescue and

564
00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:39,320
Speaker 4: the minesweep were heading my way, and but I was

565
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:46,760
Speaker 4: actually were rescued by a flying seaplane that the British

566
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:50,760
Speaker 4: had for every air sea rescue was called Wallace, and

567
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:54,680
Speaker 4: the pilot was able to successfully ran on those ten

568
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:59,320
Speaker 4: foot seas and uh uh, they couldn't pull me out

569
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:02,080
Speaker 4: of water, but they hung onto me and there was

570
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:06,040
Speaker 4: minesweeper came up and put a boat over the side

571
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:07,080
Speaker 4: and rescued me.

572
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:10,080
Speaker 2: Now memory serves me correct from from what I remember

573
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:12,760
Speaker 2: when you would tell me this story as a child,

574
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:16,920
Speaker 2: that the Coastguard cutter or the British seaplane or the

575
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:19,920
Speaker 2: mine sweeper I'm sorry, came along, picked you up, They

576
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:22,440
Speaker 2: got you on the ship. And then when the when

577
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:26,080
Speaker 2: the flying boat tried to take off the Walrus, it

578
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:29,600
Speaker 2: broke a pontoon and sunk. Is that if am I

579
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:33,840
Speaker 2: correct in that? So basically, you know everybody was trying

580
00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 2: to help and the waves were so high that you

581
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 2: know it's by the grace of God that you're really

582
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:43,800
Speaker 2: here today. Well, yeah, it really becomes that sort of

583
00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:45,520
Speaker 2: a thing. And I guess that's going through your mind.

584
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 2: It's it's probably a very lonely feeling hanging on to

585
00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:50,240
Speaker 2: a life jacket or a dingy in the middle of

586
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 2: the English Channel, waiting for something to happen.

587
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:58,680
Speaker 4: Well it is, and but I'll tell you what Torus day.

588
00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:04,040
Speaker 4: I remembering the Union jack flying from the the mind

589
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:07,440
Speaker 4: sweeper the Georgia Ago when they came up to rescue me,

590
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 4: and I always cherished that thought of seeing their flight

591
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:12,960
Speaker 4: flying over the ship.

592
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:15,560
Speaker 2: You know, two quick thoughts, Uncle Steve, before we go.

593
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:18,160
Speaker 2: You were also noted and it was in the New

594
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 2: York Times. Back here in New York City, you actually

595
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:23,600
Speaker 2: shot down in one of the first to shoot down

596
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:25,960
Speaker 2: a German jet. Back towards the end of the war,

597
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:31,200
Speaker 2: the Germans were developing jet aircraft. Were you surprised, Well.

598
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:37,040
Speaker 4: Actually no, because you're always a fighter pilot has three

599
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:40,479
Speaker 4: tremendous ego and he knows that he's the best in

600
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:43,480
Speaker 4: the world, and they could there's nothing that would stop him.

601
00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:47,400
Speaker 4: And we always we used to see the jets flying

602
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:50,240
Speaker 4: over ahead, and a couple of our men were shot

603
00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 4: down by jet planes, of three of them, and so

604
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:56,280
Speaker 4: you're always sort of what you would do, how you

605
00:32:56,280 --> 00:33:01,120
Speaker 4: would combat them. And then at this time the ten

606
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:04,120
Speaker 4: jets came up to attack the armors and I saw

607
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 4: them and they came on. They came is buzzing close

608
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 4: to me, and I gave chase and three of them

609
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:15,960
Speaker 4: broke off, and I engaged the three of them in

610
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 4: an actual dog fight at fifteen thousand feet and was

611
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:22,920
Speaker 4: successful in shooting down the read plane.

612
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:26,200
Speaker 2: God bless Uncle Steve. It was the What was the

613
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:27,120
Speaker 2: name of the fighter group?

614
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 4: You were part of the Sea thirty nine Fighter Group?

615
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 2: And where can the listeners go get some more information

616
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:34,280
Speaker 2: about the three thirty nine because I understand you operate

617
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:35,320
Speaker 2: a website now.

618
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:40,480
Speaker 4: Yes, well there's a website and there's also two histories

619
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 4: of the three thirty nines that were published. They're out

620
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:45,640
Speaker 4: of print now probably, but you could pick it up

621
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:50,400
Speaker 4: on the Eber or use bookstore somebody someplace like that.

622
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:52,760
Speaker 2: And the three thirty ninth website addressed do you know

623
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:55,000
Speaker 2: what off the top of your head? No, okay, you

624
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:56,480
Speaker 2: know what, I will I will get a.

625
00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 4: Hold of it Google three thirty nine Fighter Group And

626
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:03,000
Speaker 4: there's three or for a website that have as one

627
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:05,760
Speaker 4: of his little friends in England and the other one

628
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:12,520
Speaker 4: is an a last that they have a great website

629
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:17,440
Speaker 4: about World War two combat then scored War Verse.

630
00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:20,080
Speaker 2: Great Uncle Steve, thanks for your time today, and I

631
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:22,400
Speaker 2: can't tell you how proud I am of you. I

632
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:24,360
Speaker 2: love you just as much today as I as I

633
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:25,719
Speaker 2: always have. Thank you very much.

634
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:27,360
Speaker 4: We're welcome and a feeling.

635
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:29,800
Speaker 2: It's good. I take good care. I'm running any and

636
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:31,840
Speaker 2: the car doctor and we'll be back right in for this.

637
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:52,920
Speaker 3: Ste Well, that's unthome Steve. Right, that's a cut back

638
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:54,239
Speaker 3: to Paul. What do you say after that?

639
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:56,880
Speaker 2: You know, he didn't get into it in that conversation.

640
00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:59,000
Speaker 2: We did have other conversations with him, and you'll probably

641
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:01,040
Speaker 2: hear it in the future episode because you know, we

642
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:04,920
Speaker 2: play Uncle Steve. We reserve Uncle Steve a Memorial Day

643
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:07,600
Speaker 2: every year, you know. Every once in a while we

644
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:09,600
Speaker 2: go through the archives and we find another interview or

645
00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 2: another conversation. But one of the things he did not

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Speaker 2: talk about. There's one interview where he talks about what

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Speaker 2: does Memorial Day mean to him? And he said it

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Speaker 2: was a solemn observation of our dead. There's just no

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Speaker 2: other way to put it. He said there were times

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Speaker 2: when his fighter group lost two out of every three

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Speaker 2: men that were assigned to it, which is just staggering.

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Speaker 2: He told me stories where you know, the next newest

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Speaker 2: pilot would show up. They were, you know, quartered three

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Speaker 2: men to a tent, and you know, the new guy

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Speaker 2: would show up and the other two they really didn't

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Speaker 2: want to get to know the guy because he could

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Speaker 2: be gone the next day, he could be gone that week,

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Speaker 2: and then the next guy was rotated in. If you

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Speaker 2: lasted two weeks, then you got to know him. I'm

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Speaker 2: ronning any and the car Doctor. The mechanics aren't expensive,

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Speaker 2: they're priceless.

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