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Speaker 1: Here comes Jim Salisbury from the Phillies Show. The show

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Speaker 1: is getting a ton of attention in Philadelphia all the time,

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Speaker 1: but a lot of national attention lately for some topics

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Speaker 1: which we'll get to. Jim, great to see you, and

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Speaker 1: I'm going to start spicy. You know, we like to

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Speaker 1: bring it and be very straightforward. How pissed are the

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Speaker 1: Phillies that they did not land Bobachhett when they felt

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Speaker 1: as if he was signing there?

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Speaker 2: Phillies fans are ticked off, and I sense the front

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Speaker 2: office is a lot more ticked off then they are

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Speaker 2: letting on. They were quite surprised they didn't get that

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Speaker 2: thing through the finish line. They went to bed on

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Speaker 2: Thursday night thinking they were going to get a deal done,

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Speaker 2: thinking they were going to get a deal done. Those

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Speaker 2: are the words of Dave Dombrowski just a couple of

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Speaker 2: hours ago, and you know the Mets swooped in went

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Speaker 2: short term Hugh Mungo AAV. The Phillies did not have

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Speaker 2: an appetite for a deal like that, spend their mo

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Speaker 2: to spread things out. He's tax burden with the AAV.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, they he would have been a great fit

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Speaker 2: because obviously a very, very gifted hitter. You know, there

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Speaker 2: were what six three hundred hitters in baseball last year.

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Speaker 2: He was one of them. Now, all of a sudden,

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Speaker 2: you have two of them with Trey Turner, a guy

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Speaker 2: that can make a run at two hundred hits a lot,

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Speaker 2: you can control the strike zone, and he's right handed

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Speaker 2: and he's young, two things they really need. They need

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Speaker 2: some youth. They need some right handed in the middle

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Speaker 2: of that lineup to protect their two big left handed

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Speaker 2: sluggers Shoar and Harper. It would have been a great fit.

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Speaker 2: They thought they were on a path to get something done.

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Speaker 2: They met the number Brishette was looking for, and poof.

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Speaker 2: We've heard a lot about you know, when Steve Cohen

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Speaker 2: took over, there was a lot of talk about him

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Speaker 2: and John Middleton kind of being uh, competitors, and we

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Speaker 2: haven't seen a lot of it since, you know, until

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Speaker 2: this moment. They kind of the Mets. The Mets beat

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Speaker 2: out the Phillies on this one, and the Phillies are

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Speaker 2: smarting a little bit. Yes, Dave Dombroski used the expression

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Speaker 2: gut punch.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, what was the number? What we heard? Seven years,

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Speaker 3: two hundred million? Is that what because that's kind of

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Speaker 3: what's been reported. And then the Mets just said, you

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Speaker 3: know that we lost Tucker, we lost all these things.

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Speaker 4: Wham.

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Speaker 3: What is Boba Shit's reaction going to be when he

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Speaker 3: walks into Citizens Bank the first time? I mean, how

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Speaker 3: bad is this poor guy going to get it?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he might want to add another O to his

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Speaker 2: first name. He's going to get Were those numbers corrected?

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Speaker 3: What do you think was the seven years two hundred million?

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Speaker 2: Was that correct? That's what I've heard that those are

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Speaker 2: right there. Right from the beginning when they were starting

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Speaker 2: to dip their toe in the water, like a week

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Speaker 2: or so ago, and you started hearing about this zoom

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Speaker 2: and started to check it out a little bit. You're

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Speaker 2: hearing that they're willing to do something in the two

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Speaker 2: hundred million dollar range. Willing to go two hundred million dollars.

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Speaker 2: At first I heard heard they might be thinking like

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Speaker 2: eight and two hundred, they go seven and two hundred.

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Speaker 2: That's twenty eight and twenty eight and a half million,

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Speaker 2: aav a lot of money. But obviously the Mets come

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Speaker 2: in short term at forty two plus per season or

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Speaker 2: forty two per season, it just kind of you know,

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Speaker 2: blows them away, and the Phillies just weren't, you know,

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Speaker 2: willing to go that. But I do you mentioned Tucker.

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Speaker 2: That was a pivot for the Mets. They had a

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Speaker 2: bag full of money and they threw it at Bashett.

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Speaker 2: Really good hitter. Now they had spoken to him throughout

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Speaker 2: I guess the off season, as far back as the

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Speaker 2: GM meetings. So I don't think he just like burst

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Speaker 2: on their screen. He was someone that they had thought about,

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Speaker 2: but they clearly had prioritized Tucker made a pivot to

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Speaker 2: Bishett and gut punch on the Phillies.

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Speaker 4: Everybody, here's the two hundred million. We're gonna find out

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Speaker 4: soon what Bellinger is gonna get. Do Phillies fans have

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Speaker 4: a right to say, wait, wait, wait, if there was

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Speaker 4: two hundred million, why were we not shopping else? What

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Speaker 4: else is out there? Because we're gonna have a Doolis

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Speaker 4: Garcias under three hundred on base percentage potential of hitting

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Speaker 4: thirty five home runs in the bank. Absolutely, but we're

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Speaker 4: going to have that in right field, and it could

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Speaker 4: have been Bellinger if we had this two hundred million.

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Speaker 4: Or do they have a right to be angry about that?

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Speaker 4: Because this team looks the exact same as it did

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Speaker 2: They can be angry about anything they want. The Phillies,

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Speaker 2: it doesn't sound like they're gonna pivot toward Bellinger, And

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Speaker 2: speaking with Dave Dobroski, he kind of shot down the

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Speaker 2: notion that they'd be continuing to shop at the at

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Speaker 2: the high end of the market. I think Bishette, like

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Speaker 2: I said, with the youth in the right handed bat

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Speaker 2: and the production, he was kind of an opportunity. They

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Speaker 2: couldn't walk away from him right from the get go

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Speaker 2: in this in coming out of coming into the off season,

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Speaker 2: resigning Schwarber, resigning Real Mudo was their priority. You know,

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Speaker 2: Real Mudo was jumped over just by the fact that

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Speaker 2: bishett was still available. So now they've earmarked dollars toward

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Speaker 2: real Mudo. I don't know that they can make that pivot,

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Speaker 2: but fans, you know, they're always going to want more,

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Speaker 2: and especially after you know, especially after the last three

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Speaker 2: off seasons, you know, twenty two, they get there with

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Speaker 2: house money, they get to the World Series twenty three,

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Speaker 2: they're just absolutely putting people through the meat grinder and

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Speaker 2: then they just you know, fall flat out on their

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Speaker 2: face in the nl CS against Arizona, they just beat themselves.

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Speaker 2: They did not hit the last two seasons. They don't

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Speaker 2: get past the division series, and you know a lot

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Speaker 2: of it self inflicted wounds. This bullpen last two off seasons,

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Speaker 2: the last two postseasons, I should say Phillies have played

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Speaker 2: eight games. The bullpen has a six and a half ERA,

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Speaker 2: five blown saves. They didn't run the base as well.

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Speaker 2: They didn't hit timely against the Dodgers, and they played

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Speaker 2: very poor defense this past October against the Dodgers. So

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Speaker 2: they have really beaten themselves. There's a lot of frustration

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Speaker 2: in town, a lot of anger in town. It's pretty

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Speaker 2: close to the boiling point if it's not at the

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Speaker 2: boiling point, and losing Bouchett certainly has contributed to that.

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Speaker 2: And you know, you see, you know, you see a

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Speaker 2: They're not gonna They don't seem to be having an

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Speaker 2: appetite to make that pivot. Dombroski said he's content with

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Speaker 2: his roster. I think they're good enough to get to

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Speaker 2: October again, and then you just gotta you gotta play.

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Speaker 2: You gotta play a lot better baseball than they have

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Speaker 2: the last couple of years.

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Speaker 4: You've covered Dave Dombrowski's entire tenure in Philly. Has he

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Speaker 4: ever not gotten a superstar that he's gone after.

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Speaker 2: Well, they went after Yamamoto, so they didn't get that one.

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Speaker 2: But I don't think they were going to get that

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Speaker 2: is kind of monitoring it all Last week talking to people,

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Speaker 2: a number of people said that to me, like, when

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Speaker 2: this guy locks in on a superstar, when he locks

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Speaker 2: the Yamamoto, I would think this is probably the first

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Speaker 2: Dave had a great quote a couple years ago at

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Speaker 3: I'm shocked because he almost always gets like we said,

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Speaker 3: we talked about Dave Dobrowski says, I'm going on in

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Speaker 3: on this guy. I'm going, well, they pivoted to JT

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Speaker 5: Do they have j T?

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Speaker 3: Because now there's people saying they overpaid for JT because

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Speaker 3: of his age and his production was down last year.

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Speaker 3: We all know how valuable he is to the Phillies

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Speaker 3: and what he's done for this team and what he

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Speaker 3: does for the pitching staff. What was this JT have

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Speaker 3: gotten this contract three years for forty five if the

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Speaker 3: Phillies signed Bobash, did they have the financial wherewithal to

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Speaker 2: I don't think JT is here if they completed that

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Speaker 2: deal with bobaschev Aj and Dobroski essentially confirmed that earlier

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Speaker 2: today in a zoom with reporters, JT kind of confirmed that,

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Speaker 2: you know, he felt like if they had gotten that

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Speaker 2: quote unquote opportunity done, that he would have been moving

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Speaker 2: you know, there was this little period where he didn't

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Speaker 2: think he was coming back and he said, it was

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Speaker 2: saying that JT would not have been here because they

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Speaker 2: would have taken the money earmarked for him, and as well,

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Speaker 2: they would have moved on from someone in their infield

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Speaker 2: trimming more payroll to help them get the money they

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Speaker 2: needed to make the Buschett deal happen. So JT is back,

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Speaker 2: you know, Dave said when he heard the next morning

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Speaker 2: that you know, Tucker had gone to the Dodgers. The

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Speaker 2: Mets swoop in, they get Bushette. It took him less

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Speaker 2: than an hour to call JT's agent. They up their

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Speaker 2: offer and they got that done. So there was you know,

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Speaker 2: both sides were ready to move on. Matter of fact,

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Speaker 2: JT spoke on the same zoom call a little earlier

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Speaker 2: today than Dombrowski. And you know, I've done a lot

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Speaker 2: of these, you know, press conferences where a guy signs

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Speaker 2: a free agent deal, where a guy returns to an

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Speaker 2: celebratory tone in these zooms or these press conferences. To me,

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Speaker 2: this one just it lacked that there was a little

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Speaker 2: bit of, I don't know, a joylessness to it. I mean,

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Speaker 2: everybody's happy he's back. He's happy to be back. But

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Speaker 2: it didn't feel like one of those celebratory news conferences.

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Speaker 2: It felt like, okay, I'm here, I was almost gone,

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Speaker 2: let's see where this thing goes. It just had a

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Speaker 2: different feel to it for me as someone who's seen

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Speaker 2: a lot of those events.

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Speaker 3: Okay, well that kind of is my question. Should the

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Speaker 4: Very rarely do we ever talk about a bench coach

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Speaker 2: No question. Something that Rob Thompson talked about is, you know,

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Speaker 5: Jim, good stuff sense.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, enjoy Twitter wars, Jim Philly show. Enjoy you guys.

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Speaker 3: Enjoy your Twitter wars.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I mean you guys, no Twitter wars here, No

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Speaker 3: Well, you guys have been taking the brunt of some

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Speaker 5: Ruben's been battling, Well, Ruben's been in it.

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Speaker 1: Ruben's battling you see, Jim, Ruben's getting after it.

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Speaker 2: I like it. Yeah, Rubin likes to mix it up

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Speaker 1: I would say you're a silent assassin if anything right.

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Speaker 1: You pick and choose your spots. But it also mostly

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I mean save it for the show, right,

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Speaker 2: tune in? Yeah, come to come to the Philly Show.

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Speaker 5: Right Yeah, nice little hoodie there too. I like it.

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Speaker 5: There you go, Kratz. No, I can't tell you twenty minutes.

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Speaker 4: Can't tell you. Got to watch the rest of the show.

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Speaker 1: Jim Kratz hats in the last minute of the show.

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Speaker 1: But also, I just got my the Philly Show shirt,

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Speaker 5: We'll talk to you, okay, Okay.

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Speaker 2: As we say on The Philly Show, I'll smell you

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Speaker 2: late of boys.

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Speaker 1: That m Jim futures regular season wins for the Chicago Cubs.

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Speaker 1: The number is at eighty eight and a half. Let's

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Speaker 1: go to our Cubs. Hater, our resident Cubs hater, aj Pierzinski,

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Speaker 1: and see if he's taking the over or the under

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Speaker 5: Okay, what about your that's your heart? What about your brain?

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Speaker 4: Oh?

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Speaker 2: What was that number again? Eighty eight and a half?

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Speaker 1: They added Edward Yes, they added Edward Cabrera, they added

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Speaker 3: Obviously they lost Kyle Tucker.

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Speaker 5: Division hasn't done.

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Speaker 3: They'll get Justin Steele back at some point.

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Speaker 5: I think they're ninety.

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Speaker 3: Sh It hurts my heart to say. I think they're

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Speaker 4: It should be better.

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Speaker 5: Yep.

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Speaker 5: Wow, I don't know how you're going to top that. Crats.

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Speaker 4: Just like your boy Hawks said, this is over, It's

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Speaker 5: Proud of you guys. Guys are hard on the Cubs sometimes,

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Speaker 5: and that's fine, rightly.

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Speaker 2: So they were mediocre.

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Speaker 4: They were five hundred team that had a hot stretch.

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Speaker 3: I feel like I'm pretty much right on when it

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Speaker 5: I think most people.

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Speaker 5: I would say that's accurate.

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Speaker 1: But then the North side has other thoughts, and other

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Speaker 5: They have other thoughts.

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Speaker 3: Who's where's that?

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Speaker 5: Even if you don't know where that is? Have you

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Speaker 4: I've been to Iowa many times.

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Speaker 1: A lot of Cubs fans theres Iowa Cubs. That helps, Yes,

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Speaker 1: they get to see the Cubs before the Cubs. Yes, yeah,

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Speaker 5: I'll go over.

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Speaker 1: It's not my favorite play because I don't think they're

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Speaker 5: I do. I'm with you, Krats. I think the ceiling

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Speaker 3: So Horton's going to be back for his second year.

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Speaker 5: I'll take the middle. That works.

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Speaker 5: Do you agree, yes, because of where his defenses.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to point players out, but I will

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Speaker 1: And you just don't see that from PCA. Sorry one,

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Speaker 5: Sometimes more serious other people. Yeah.

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Speaker 5: We'll see what the bat looks like for them.

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Speaker 1: But these guys, including me, all like the Cubs to

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Speaker 5: Uh and now we don't have any more college football.

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Speaker 1: Don't want to talk about that, but anyway to use

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