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Speaker 1: He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on

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Speaker 1: your twenty four to seven home of the Black and

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Speaker 1: Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Drive. I'm Dale LOLLI he is Matt

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Speaker 2: Williamson and Matt the off season is now here. That

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Speaker 2: means it's the time of the year. It's the time

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Speaker 2: of the year for lists, and I thought we'd come

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Speaker 2: up with a little list here today on our on

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Speaker 2: our show of the Top, we're gonna go ten. Do

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Speaker 2: we go fifteen Steelers in terms of importance?

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Speaker 1: Okay, Well, let me get my little scratch sheet here

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Speaker 1: and I'll start that one here as well.

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Speaker 2: Okay, let's let's say fifteen. I mean it's a it's

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Speaker 2: a twenty.

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Speaker 1: Two year yeah, So please define further if you would.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I said, in terms of most importance.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So.

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Speaker 1: Developments important, you know, they they're fate for the season.

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Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, I'm ready. Let's okay, we want to start

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Speaker 2: at the bottom, or we want to start at the top.

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Speaker 1: I think we have to start at the top because

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Speaker 1: I think it's too hard to start ranking.

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Speaker 2: Good point by you, all right, So we'll go top

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Speaker 2: to bottom here. It's a little backwards from what we

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Speaker 2: usually do. But hey, it's our list. We can do

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Speaker 2: what we want to do. I hear you, right, So

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Speaker 2: who who in your eyes is number one? This is tough. See,

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Speaker 2: I don't know that it's easily picket. And here's why.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I have a feeling we're gonna go over this

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Speaker 2: Seven games without t J. Watt last year, right, and

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Speaker 2: it was a struggle when they didn't have t J. Watt,

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Speaker 2: And it's been a struggle when they've not had t

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Speaker 2: J Watt Like you could do if something happened to

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Speaker 2: Kenny Pickett, you still have Mitched Trubisky.

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Speaker 1: There, that's right, Or you were going with it was

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Speaker 1: maybe just maybe the drop off the picket to Trubisky

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Speaker 1: isn't massive, right, you know? So okay, in this instance,

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Speaker 1: I don't think it is a quarterback. I mean, obviously,

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Speaker 1: if Pickett develops a great deal, it's huge. You could

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Speaker 1: be looking from a mediocre team to a contender contender.

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Speaker 2: Right, yeah, oh absolutely, But I think again, if if

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Speaker 2: something happens to TJ want for a long term like

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Speaker 2: it did last year, even if Pickett does take that step,

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Speaker 2: I don't know if it's going to be. I don't

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Speaker 2: know if it matters as much. It obviously matters in

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Speaker 2: the long term, but it's matter as much in the

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Speaker 2: short term.

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Speaker 1: So I like that because there's a whole lot of

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Speaker 1: evidence to put what at one, you know, the other stuff,

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Speaker 1: I mean, all this is speculation, but what.

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Speaker 2: At seven points a game? It's like, you know, one

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Speaker 2: hundred years of defense, like it's it's it's all that stuff, right.

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Speaker 1: Right, right, So that's fine, Okay, what is one?

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Speaker 2: Okay? I think I think we can both agree that

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Speaker 2: Kenny Pickett is too. Yeah, he's your quarterback. And in

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Speaker 2: most years, you know, Ben Roethlisberger would have been number

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Speaker 2: one on that list in a lot of those years,

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Speaker 2: of course.

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Speaker 1: Regardless of Kansas City. And I mean, yeah, you know,

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Speaker 1: most quarterbacks are going to be one.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they're not going to be outside the top three,

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Speaker 2: no doubt about it. Yeah. Okay, so that's top two.

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Speaker 2: Now what you got?

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think there's a lot of directions you

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Speaker 1: for it. But I'm going to go, Minka three.

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Speaker 2: I'm not going to fight you on that one, just

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Speaker 2: because leader of.

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Speaker 1: The secondary playmaker elite player. What happens if he's gone.

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Speaker 2: That somebody that the opposing teams have to account for

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Speaker 2: with TJ. Watt. Mike is that kind of player.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, certainly makes those around him better, let alone the

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Speaker 2: The more I talk through it, Okay, we could agree

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Speaker 2: he's still going to be around and then you miss

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Speaker 2: Cam on the field. But he's just a very important

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I like the d line room better now

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Speaker 2: I mean, if he misses a game, you could still

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Speaker 1: He has great importance and he can line I mean,

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Speaker 1: if your nose is not doing well, he lines up

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Speaker 1: he can line up over a tackle. Yeah, I think

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Speaker 2: Now's where it gets really interesting.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I know those three defensive guys, you three stars,

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Speaker 1: you know, like, yeah, earlier last week or whatever, we

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Speaker 1: three guys on defense are in there all day long,

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Speaker 1: and your quarterback right, But now, who's next?

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Speaker 2: I look at it. There's a couple of different ways

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Speaker 2: you can go with it. There's that's how your what

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Speaker 2: your angle. Is a couple of pass catchers here that

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Speaker 2: you would like to see continue to either roove or

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Speaker 2: build upon what they've already done. There's another pass catcher

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Speaker 2: guy that he's been. But I think, and I know

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Speaker 2: they have a good backup here. I think it's Nagie Harris.

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Speaker 2: Interesting because so I wrote about him today in five

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Speaker 2: for Friday. There are people out there who think he

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Speaker 2: has been a disappointment in his first two seasons. Sure,

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Speaker 2: he's got twenty six hundred total yards and has scored

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Speaker 2: twenty plus touchdowns or has scored twenty touchdowns in his

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Speaker 2: two seasons, right, I mean, you're getting thirteen hundred yards

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Speaker 2: people were saying he's a disappointment and he plays every game.

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Speaker 1: There's two things I was gonna mention too along those lines,

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Speaker 1: is you can't tell me he was not physically compromised

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Speaker 1: to start last season, right. The way he moved post

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Speaker 1: And there's this Playton issue, and I mean, he has

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Speaker 1: his greatest trades. And the people that want to bash

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Speaker 2: I don't know that I can give it to a

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Speaker 2: it's it's the argument that you hear across the league, right.

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Speaker 2: The problem with it with the argument across the league

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Speaker 2: that's all well and good. Okay, Why then did the

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Speaker 2: forty nine ers who had they just go draft for

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Speaker 2: running backs like crazy? Then why did they trade for

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Speaker 2: Christian McCaffrey. Because running backs matter and a guy who

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Speaker 2: touches the football three hundred times a season is very

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Speaker 2: important in your offense. That's my argument with that, especially

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Speaker 2: the way that this team is what they want to do.

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Speaker 1: Yeah right, I mean, if Pickett takes a leap next year,

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Speaker 1: Nausey's importance, whether he's a better player now or not,

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Speaker 2: Right. You can sit there and.

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Speaker 1: Shotgun and four wide and dice teams up, you know

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Speaker 1: what I mean? Man, see a couple of angles I'm

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Speaker 1: looking at though, And I'm sure these are names kicking

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Speaker 2: I know, yeah, I mean what if Pat Fayremouth becomes

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Speaker 2: What if Deontay Johnson bounces back and has another one

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Speaker 2: hundred catch, thousand yard season.

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Speaker 1: See, but I would put Pickens over those two because

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Speaker 1: I have more of a level of familiarity or a

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Speaker 1: baseline like I can't imagine deontay or muth not being a.

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Speaker 2: Good player, right right, I hear you. You know what

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Speaker 1: Where Pickens is, there's more variance in what the potential

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Speaker 1: hit the ceiling, whoa, you know what I mean, that's

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Speaker 1: a season changing change in player. I think Roger Jones

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Speaker 1: because I live with Dan Moore, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I also think Alex Highsmith gets some consideration there

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Speaker 2: If he is a fourteen and a half sack guy

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Speaker 2: again this year and TJ want plays the TJ wantt level,

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Speaker 2: you're close to leading the league in sacks again, and

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Speaker 2: you might have the number one defense in the league.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So here's some odd ones. I don't mean to

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Speaker 1: you know, we're gonna have to rank these. What if

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Speaker 1: Hulkom isn't good, right, and just because the position around him,

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Speaker 1: if he's not good, they're not going to probably be

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's going to be somewhere on our list.

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Speaker 1: did not have a great year. I don't think he's

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Speaker 1: people by ten if he starts missing field goals. He's

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Speaker 1: going to have a really long leash, as he deserves,

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Speaker 1: and the first two months of the season before you

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Speaker 1: make a change could be Boy, they lost that one.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean they led the league. What he missed

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Speaker 2: like twelve kicks last year, you know, add that onto

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Speaker 2: of full point per game? Yeah, everybody? So well, they

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Speaker 2: only average eighteen point one points per game. Well, if

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Speaker 2: he makes half of those kicks that he missed, they're

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Speaker 1: It's still not good, but it's not bad. I mean

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Speaker 1: it's bad as there's a lot of room for air

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Speaker 1: with points. You know, three points here, three points there

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Speaker 1: that could have gone through. Right, here's another name. What

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Speaker 1: if Patrick Peterson's washed or just can't do it, you know, like,

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Speaker 1: not every free agent signing works. You know this, this

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Speaker 1: is the season of eternal optimism. He sure looks fine

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Speaker 1: to me, but they're not all gonna hit well.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And by the same token, what if Joey Porter

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Speaker 2: of splash or Tarik Woolen. Uh. These these young cornerbacks

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Speaker 1: And then Peterson and Wallace are fighting for playing time

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Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, so who's well we just talked all

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Speaker 1: And by then that's why Dick or the kicker kicked

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Speaker 2: Which case you're probably losing game.

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Speaker 1: Right, And I'm almost looking at this more from a

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Speaker 1: Of of course, having a third guy now is something

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Speaker 2: we made We talked about Porter and Keanu Benton. I

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Speaker 2: he's got more publicity. You know, Benton might end up

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Speaker 1: That's what I mean. And because Solomalho could break a

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Speaker 2: And he's really good, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 2: I don't know where we slot him in at though.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but he is coming off an injury, right, He

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Speaker 1: Now, and they don't need Lambert. They just don't. I mean,

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Speaker 2: You know one other guy we haven't talked about. And

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Speaker 2: trickle down effect is great.

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Speaker 1: Should Harvin be on this list? I just think if

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Speaker 1: he thinks you'll find someone better and yeah, I.

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Speaker 2: Don't think he should because I don't. I don't agree

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Speaker 2: with the people that say he was bad last year,

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Speaker 2: right right right? I mean there there are many factors

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Speaker 2: involved there, much different than Boswell. Yeah, okay, so he's

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Speaker 2: not in consideration for me.

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Speaker 1: We got nine is Sullivan, ten is Coal. Ten.

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Speaker 2: I lean towards Coal in terms of importance.

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Speaker 1: He's gonna be out there every snap.

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Speaker 2: He's out there. You like him to be out there

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Speaker 2: every snap. I mean I talked to Kendrick Greeney yesterday

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Speaker 2: about this, and he's talking about how much he's learning

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Speaker 2: from Mason Cole.

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Speaker 1: You know, just that's the kind of guy he is.

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Speaker 1: He's your center, Yeah, that's your center. Yeah, Okay, he's ten,

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Speaker 1: Sullivan eleven.

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Speaker 2: I think it's Sullivan. I mean, we're way we're turning this,

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Speaker 2: We're morphing this into important slash good player or not.

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Speaker 2: You know, how are we looking about at this?

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Speaker 1: Some of this is potential Land minds. We're trying not

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Speaker 1: to explode things that could derail a season to some degree.

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Speaker 1: Not that Sullivan is the most important guy in the world, but.

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Speaker 2: You need him to, you know, you need him to

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Speaker 2: be a player.

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Speaker 1: He's gonna he's gonna defend Tyler Boyd. I mean, like

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Speaker 1: he's got things to do. I kind of like your

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Speaker 1: your Joey Porter picked there as well. In terms of

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Speaker 1: the importance.

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Speaker 2: Of this, like if he could, if he hits, I

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Speaker 2: think that the trickle down effect I think is great.

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Speaker 2: Mm hmm.

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Speaker 1: Let's proporter in. Okay, So we agree he's the most

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Speaker 1: important rookie.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so Island a lot you know, right right?

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Speaker 1: If he's bad, ooh, he shows up, he shows up quick? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it shows up quick. It Sullivan at twelve.

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Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, I have no problem with that, And I

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Speaker 2: think a lot of people will be surprised to see

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Speaker 2: him that high on a list like this.

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Speaker 1: I mean, how many snaps is a nickel corner playing

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Speaker 1: a game?

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Speaker 2: Though? Seventy of them? Yeah? Right? Right?

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Speaker 1: If more shut down? Dude, I mean, his job's easier

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Speaker 1: than porter on an island against you know, Chase.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if it's easier because he could do

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Speaker 2: more tackling, But yeah, I understand what you're saying with.

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Speaker 1: Her twelve or you want to throw some other ones

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Speaker 1: in here.

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Speaker 2: He's at twelve. I think, then you're looking at thirteen.

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Speaker 1: At the fifteen is at the golden one?

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Speaker 2: We're going to fifteen? Yeah, some of the other guys

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Speaker 2: that we've talked about, I mean, do you slide Broderick

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Speaker 2: Jones in here? Do you put it? You know? Uh?

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Speaker 1: Benton? I think Leo was also in that category. Certainly,

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Speaker 1: the more I think and watch Leal, the more I'm

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Speaker 1: expecting a step forward and having five sacks, double the

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Speaker 1: snaff count, concentrate on one position, and if I'm right,

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Speaker 1: that's impactful.

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Speaker 2: Right. I also think you you know, if you get

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Speaker 2: that out of Larry Ogan Jobi this year, you know,

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00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:40,199
Speaker 2: he had one and a half sacks last year and

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Speaker 2: he played you know that he played in a season

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Speaker 2: where you know he didn't practice on a Wednesday for

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Speaker 2: most of the season. Last year, he didn't practice on

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Speaker 2: he didn't practice on Thursdays a lot of the season.

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Speaker 2: He was right, So you know that's their hope that

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Speaker 2: he you know, having the health this year will make

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Speaker 2: him a much more important again. You could if what Hayward,

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Speaker 2: high Smith and ogin Jobi are all good, You're gonna

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00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:10,200
Speaker 2: be a great defense.

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Speaker 1: You are, and he's gonna be the one getting the

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Speaker 1: most snaps to start. I think Ogajobi's next, Okay, Like,

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Speaker 1: I mean, we know how the league works, so no

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Speaker 1: one likets to think about the bad things of the league.

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Speaker 1: You could look at Ogunjobi's career and be like, those

510
00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:29,000
Speaker 1: first four or five years are pretty good and then

511
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:30,399
Speaker 1: he kind of hit a cliff.

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Speaker 2: And injuries are around him, and that would really hurt this team,

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Speaker 2: right right. He is thirteen, okay, so we're at fourteen now.

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Speaker 1: The first round picks important.

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Speaker 2: I think Broderick Jones is you know that he shows

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Speaker 2: the potential to be a guy. I don't care if

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Speaker 2: he starts show me, show me some potential there, because

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Speaker 2: if Dan Moore holds him off, that means Dan Moore

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Speaker 2: at a good Camp in a good preseason.

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Speaker 1: Right, but I can also picture of the world and

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Speaker 1: this is the half full version where a sharky's every

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Speaker 1: night going.

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Speaker 2: Did you see what Jones did today?

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Speaker 1: Like Pickens conversations like this guy's taking over camp, Oh

525
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:14,960
Speaker 1: my gosh, you know, like he's just beating the crap

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00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:17,159
Speaker 1: out everybody. DJ Wat's having a hard time with them,

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Speaker 1: you know, like right, that happens.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, he's I mean, okay, he's part time. Yep,

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Speaker 2: he's fourteen and then fifteen fifteen is Patrick Peterson? Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I mean his age is a worry. It is. It's

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Speaker 2: definitely a concern. He's not a slam dunk and I

532
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Speaker 2: think you know, they have plans to do a lot

533
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Speaker 2: of different stuff with him, and if it doesn't work out,

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00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:50,360
Speaker 2: you didn't replace Camp something, then.

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Speaker 1: Right, you're looking for another corner. Even if Porter hits.

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Speaker 2: Right, maybe that's Trice, maybe you know who knows? Maybe

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Speaker 2: right right now, that's a good list. I like it.

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Speaker 2: So we came up with in terms of most importance

539
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:08,800
Speaker 2: to the team, TJ. Watt, Kenny Pickett, make It, Fitzpatrick,

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Speaker 2: Cam Hayward, Chris Boswell, now G Harris, George Pickens, Alex Highsmith,

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Speaker 2: Cole Holkom Mason Cole, Joey Porter, Chandon Sullivan, Larry Ogan,

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Speaker 2: Joby Broderick Jones, and Patrick Peterson. And again, this was

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Speaker 2: not a list of who are the Steelers who are

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Speaker 2: the best players on the roster. This is in terms

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Speaker 2: of what they do, who's backing them up, their importance

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Speaker 2: to the grand scheme of things. That's who we came

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Speaker 2: up with.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, their level of variants, you know, that's why Deontay

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Speaker 1: and Mouth didn't make the list, is right, they're good

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Speaker 1: and I think they'll stay good.

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Speaker 2: And you know, Joy neither of the guards made the list,

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Speaker 2: you know that's yeah.

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Speaker 1: Last name we didn't bring up, Alan Robinson. There's a

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Speaker 1: he could look like an old slow man and man,

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure you should be make a team or

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Speaker 1: after two really strange years of his career, he might

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Speaker 1: be a power slot that's really useful.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that would go a long way towards helping Kenny Pickett. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: good stuff. Yeah, that's our list of the top fifteen

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Speaker 2: most important Steelers going into twenty twenty three. We're gonna

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Speaker 2: take a break. He is Matt Williamson, I am Dale Lolly,

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