1 00:00:06,840 --> 00:00:14,480 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. You know the films Shakespeare 2 00:00:14,480 --> 00:00:17,880 Speaker 1: and Loved good Will, Hunting, Silver Linings, playbook The Man 3 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:22,080 Speaker 1: Behind Them cover legendary Hollywood producer Harvey Weinstein. Eight women, 4 00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:26,560 Speaker 1: including actress Actually Judd, came forward to accuse Weinstein sexual misconduct. 5 00:00:26,560 --> 00:00:30,720 Speaker 1: The Times uncovered sexual harassment allegations that span almost three decades. 6 00:00:32,680 --> 00:00:36,440 Speaker 1: Very coming now and one minute as you want to leave, 7 00:00:36,520 --> 00:00:40,400 Speaker 1: when the guy comes to my mind, my grace, I'm sorry, 8 00:00:40,479 --> 00:00:43,080 Speaker 1: Just come on. I'm used to them, You're used to that. 9 00:00:44,280 --> 00:00:47,960 Speaker 1: He just is very dominant, persuasive, does not back down 10 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:50,760 Speaker 1: if you say no. Heusually touching me with me and 11 00:00:50,760 --> 00:00:53,600 Speaker 1: he's just relax and I'm telling him to stop, and 12 00:00:53,640 --> 00:00:55,560 Speaker 1: you'd raise his voice. But at the same time he 13 00:00:55,640 --> 00:00:58,960 Speaker 1: kept reassuring me that everything's going to be okay. One 14 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:04,760 Speaker 1: of the most powerful men in Hollywood brought down by 15 00:01:04,880 --> 00:01:09,680 Speaker 1: a fleet of women claiming the casting couch is no joke. 16 00:01:09,800 --> 00:01:12,560 Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, it amounts to nothing more 17 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:16,480 Speaker 1: than rape. Of course, I'm talking about Harvey Weinstein. But 18 00:01:16,520 --> 00:01:21,280 Speaker 1: in a sudden and bizarre turn, a real twist nobody 19 00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:27,839 Speaker 1: saw coming. Is the case against Harvey Weinstein collapsing from 20 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:33,399 Speaker 1: the inside like a house of cards. I mean, see, Grace, 21 00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:36,000 Speaker 1: this is crime stories. Thank you for being with us. 22 00:01:36,240 --> 00:01:44,400 Speaker 1: I'm talking about the chief accuser of Harvey Weinstein, Asia Argento, 23 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:51,040 Speaker 1: now accused of sex assault on a teen boy herself. 24 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:55,480 Speaker 1: And it's not just an accusation. There are legal documents, 25 00:01:55,640 --> 00:02:02,560 Speaker 1: bona fide, legal documents where she allegedly pays off the 26 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:08,519 Speaker 1: boy after first meeting the boy when he played her 27 00:02:08,720 --> 00:02:13,960 Speaker 1: son aged seven. Well, I can tell you who's popping 28 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:17,040 Speaker 1: open the champagne right now and dancing in the halls, 29 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:21,520 Speaker 1: Harvey Weinstein and his his horde of attorneys. But listen 30 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:24,200 Speaker 1: to this. I'm coming right out. What do we have 31 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:27,000 Speaker 1: to do. I'm gonna take a shower. You sit there 32 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:30,000 Speaker 1: and have a dream community d and I stay on 33 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:35,080 Speaker 1: the bar. You must come here now. Please, I'm not 34 00:02:35,160 --> 00:02:40,440 Speaker 1: doing anything. I'm sorry. I don't yesterday it was a 35 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:43,480 Speaker 1: kind of aggressive for I need to know a person. 36 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:48,120 Speaker 1: Do everything. Please, I swear I won't just sit with me. 37 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:50,799 Speaker 1: Don't embarrass me in the hotel here all the time. 38 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:57,119 Speaker 1: Polase sit there, please do one minute. Please. I don't 39 00:02:57,120 --> 00:03:00,400 Speaker 1: want to do something. I don't want to since to me. 40 00:03:00,440 --> 00:03:02,520 Speaker 1: I want to go downstairs. I'm not going to do anything. 41 00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:06,200 Speaker 1: You'll never see me again after this. If you know, 42 00:03:06,280 --> 00:03:08,600 Speaker 1: if you embarrassed me in this hotel, I'm not embarrassing you. 43 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:11,240 Speaker 1: It's just that I don't I don't feel comfortable. I mean, 44 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:13,880 Speaker 1: you don't have a play with me before. Please, I'm 45 00:03:13,919 --> 00:03:16,720 Speaker 1: not gonna do anything. I swear my children. Please come 46 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:19,960 Speaker 1: in on everything. I'm a famous guy. You're being very 47 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:23,480 Speaker 1: uncomfortable as coming now and one minute and if you 48 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:26,240 Speaker 1: want to leave when the guy comes with my touch 49 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:29,399 Speaker 1: my brace, please, I'm sorry. Just come on. I'm used 50 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:33,120 Speaker 1: to that. Are You're used to that, you know, but 51 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:39,600 Speaker 1: I'm not used to that again. You're a minute? Please, No, 52 00:03:39,720 --> 00:03:45,800 Speaker 1: I don't want to do saw you embarrow call me again. 53 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:50,120 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, right, I want to do anything, I know, 54 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:53,800 Speaker 1: but I mean I will never do another thing to 55 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:56,800 Speaker 1: you five minutes. Don't win your friendship with me for 56 00:03:56,840 --> 00:03:59,560 Speaker 1: five minutes? Is it? I know? But it's screw like 57 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:11,840 Speaker 1: so much. You are hearing movie mogul Harvey Weinstein begging 58 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:15,320 Speaker 1: a twenty two year old model to watch him take 59 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:18,719 Speaker 1: a shower. Okay, let me let that sink in just 60 00:04:18,839 --> 00:04:23,200 Speaker 1: a moment. That's Ambra Guitarras she told police she was 61 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:26,160 Speaker 1: invited to meet Weinstein at his office at the Tribeca 62 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:30,040 Speaker 1: Film Center in Manhattan, that he not only touched her 63 00:04:30,120 --> 00:04:35,919 Speaker 1: inappropriately that's called molestation. He put his hand upper skirt. 64 00:04:36,760 --> 00:04:40,840 Speaker 1: When she goes to police, NYPD wired her for this 65 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:43,560 Speaker 1: follow up meeting with Weinstein at a hotel a few 66 00:04:43,560 --> 00:04:48,920 Speaker 1: blocks away. Okay, should I believe him or my lion ears? 67 00:04:49,040 --> 00:04:51,760 Speaker 1: Because I know what I just heard. Troy Slayton, l 68 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:55,760 Speaker 1: a defense attorney. I don't care what business monkey business 69 00:04:55,880 --> 00:05:01,720 Speaker 1: as Argento is up to, but that audience recording is 70 00:05:01,839 --> 00:05:05,200 Speaker 1: not lying. Troy Slayton, Now, how are you gonna spin that? 71 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:09,200 Speaker 1: It all will come down to credibility? Nancy? And it 72 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:14,599 Speaker 1: seems like Asia Argento uh was at the height of 73 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:20,800 Speaker 1: chutzpah to be accusing Harvey Weinstein when she herself excuse me, 74 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:26,200 Speaker 1: height of chutzpah? Uh? Question is that a legal defense? 75 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:29,320 Speaker 1: Did they teach you that out in your California law school? 76 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:34,679 Speaker 1: Because that's not a defense reality check height of chutzpah? Okay, 77 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:38,599 Speaker 1: number one, I don't think you pronounced it correctly, But 78 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:42,560 Speaker 1: number two, that's not a defense. As I've told many 79 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:46,760 Speaker 1: a jury, even a hooker could be raped. I so 80 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:49,280 Speaker 1: she did a bad thing, and yes, frankly she should 81 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:51,080 Speaker 1: have probably gone to jail. She should have gone to 82 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:54,520 Speaker 1: jail for it. There's no probably in that sentence. But 83 00:05:54,640 --> 00:05:59,400 Speaker 1: that doesn't mean she was a sexual doesn't mean st 84 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:02,960 Speaker 1: you know what. That does not mean Weinstein did not 85 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:08,000 Speaker 1: assault her band. But it will come down to credibility. 86 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:11,560 Speaker 1: And with regard to Asia Argento, now it seems that 87 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:14,680 Speaker 1: she has lost any with regard to an allegation of 88 00:06:14,760 --> 00:06:18,240 Speaker 1: sexual assault. And that is when the theory of similar 89 00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:23,640 Speaker 1: transactions becomes so important. Now, slight and high profile l 90 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:26,279 Speaker 1: a defense attorney is going to argue with me about 91 00:06:26,320 --> 00:06:30,440 Speaker 1: similar transactions. But everybody listening, if you're listening to crime 92 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:33,919 Speaker 1: stories right now, you know what similar transactions are. Under 93 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:39,880 Speaker 1: our years prudence, our system of law, someone's reputation cannot 94 00:06:39,920 --> 00:06:42,320 Speaker 1: come in to try and convict him. In fact, if 95 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:44,400 Speaker 1: you even try to do it, you're gonna get reversed 96 00:06:44,600 --> 00:06:46,640 Speaker 1: and you're going to get to try your case over again. 97 00:06:47,080 --> 00:06:50,280 Speaker 1: If that, if you're not charge of prosecutor almost conduct 98 00:06:50,320 --> 00:06:52,680 Speaker 1: for doing it, and you don't get even a second 99 00:06:52,880 --> 00:06:57,359 Speaker 1: swing at the ball, don't bring in someone's reputation. However, 100 00:06:57,880 --> 00:07:01,560 Speaker 1: there's a thing called similar transaction actions. Um, I'll give 101 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:04,080 Speaker 1: you an example. I had a guy I prosecuted. The 102 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:08,320 Speaker 1: red rapist had always enter in to the home through 103 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:10,840 Speaker 1: a bedroom window. He would always rape the woman in 104 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:12,760 Speaker 1: the middle of the knot as she was asleep. He 105 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:14,960 Speaker 1: had always scoped her at it, always leave a red 106 00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:17,920 Speaker 1: rose behind, and he would wear I think it was 107 00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:23,400 Speaker 1: a red scarf during the assault. All right, fingerprint crime. 108 00:07:23,960 --> 00:07:28,240 Speaker 1: So to prove one case where the victim could not 109 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:33,520 Speaker 1: see him in the dark, I brought in similar transactions 110 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:38,080 Speaker 1: of fingerprint crimes that were him based on DNA to 111 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:41,400 Speaker 1: prove my case in chief. All right, the same m O, 112 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:45,440 Speaker 1: the same course of conduct, frame of mind, scheme, motive, 113 00:07:45,640 --> 00:07:49,320 Speaker 1: the whole thing. That is why to prove Asia Argento's case, 114 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:52,840 Speaker 1: now that she has a credibility problem, you're gonna need 115 00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:55,840 Speaker 1: all these other women, Let's start at the beginning. Alexis 116 00:07:55,920 --> 00:08:01,840 Speaker 1: terres Chuck, journalist, reporter, Radar online dot com. In a nutshell, 117 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:07,760 Speaker 1: what happened with Asia Argento? Why is Harvey Wine staying 118 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:10,840 Speaker 1: doing a little jig right now? So she has it 119 00:08:10,840 --> 00:08:14,640 Speaker 1: has become public that she paid a three hundred and 120 00:08:14,760 --> 00:08:18,840 Speaker 1: eighty thousand dollars settlement to a young boy who she 121 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:23,400 Speaker 1: assaulted when he was seventeen. And the thing is a 122 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:26,040 Speaker 1: lot of the descriptions about this that they had. They 123 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:29,080 Speaker 1: had sex in a hotel room at the Ritz Carlton 124 00:08:29,160 --> 00:08:33,880 Speaker 1: and Marina del Rey, very fancy hotel in May. He 125 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:37,000 Speaker 1: was seventeen years old. The age of consent in California 126 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:40,480 Speaker 1: is eighteen, so this was he could not consent to this. 127 00:08:41,040 --> 00:08:45,199 Speaker 1: He had come to this hotel, she gave him alcohol, 128 00:08:45,679 --> 00:08:48,240 Speaker 1: she performed oral sex on him, and then they had 129 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:50,760 Speaker 1: sex together. Those are the descriptions that are written. So 130 00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:53,800 Speaker 1: this if you want, and I'm not a lawyer, but 131 00:08:53,840 --> 00:08:56,040 Speaker 1: I'm telling you that this is described to me. This 132 00:08:56,120 --> 00:08:58,600 Speaker 1: is rape. She raped him in a hotel room. He 133 00:08:58,640 --> 00:09:01,400 Speaker 1: had brought a family member air. She sent that family 134 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:03,720 Speaker 1: member away. This wasn't the first time they met, and 135 00:09:03,800 --> 00:09:07,040 Speaker 1: she had been tweeting all day about how excited she 136 00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:09,360 Speaker 1: was to see him because she has known him since 137 00:09:09,400 --> 00:09:11,920 Speaker 1: he was seven years old, and he was on he 138 00:09:12,040 --> 00:09:16,000 Speaker 1: was in her movie The Heart Is Deceitful Above All Things, 139 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:19,839 Speaker 1: so they've known each other. She has often been seen 140 00:09:19,880 --> 00:09:22,400 Speaker 1: on social media writing back and forth with him. She 141 00:09:22,520 --> 00:09:26,240 Speaker 1: called him her son, he called saying calling herself his mom. 142 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:31,000 Speaker 1: So they've had a ten year relationship and then this 143 00:09:32,800 --> 00:09:36,640 Speaker 1: concluded with him in her hotel room all of these 144 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:42,240 Speaker 1: years later, ten years later. So in November, she he 145 00:09:42,559 --> 00:09:45,079 Speaker 1: his family hired an attorney and they went to her 146 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:47,960 Speaker 1: with an intent to sue, telling her they were going 147 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:50,280 Speaker 1: to sue her for this assault, and she worked out 148 00:09:50,280 --> 00:09:52,760 Speaker 1: a settlement where she gave him three hundred and eighty 149 00:09:52,760 --> 00:09:55,560 Speaker 1: thousand dollars. And the family has said, and the lawyer 150 00:09:55,760 --> 00:09:59,240 Speaker 1: during these negotiations that ever since this encounter, he was 151 00:09:59,280 --> 00:10:01,880 Speaker 1: a very six as little young actor and lots and 152 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:04,800 Speaker 1: lots of movies over the years. Ever since his encounter, 153 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:08,200 Speaker 1: it really dramatically affected him and that he no longer 154 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:10,720 Speaker 1: was the same boy that he was before, and he 155 00:10:10,800 --> 00:10:14,199 Speaker 1: wasn't looking movie roles and it had really drastically changed 156 00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:20,320 Speaker 1: him after the attempt. How old are you seven? How 157 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:23,000 Speaker 1: do you? I know the songs one through seventy? How 158 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:25,960 Speaker 1: many do you know? I A lot of songs? What 159 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:32,960 Speaker 1: you idiot? What songs do you know? Saying? So I 160 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:38,440 Speaker 1: am and I justus, I am, and I trust I 161 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:42,480 Speaker 1: know what I don't I know him. I want this 162 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:52,400 Speaker 1: talk the pleasure, bly, I have won up bit kissus 163 00:10:52,760 --> 00:10:56,880 Speaker 1: to Okay, that's leaving some people in studio right now chuckling. 164 00:10:57,679 --> 00:11:00,480 Speaker 1: But the significance of the clip we just played for 165 00:11:00,559 --> 00:11:06,240 Speaker 1: you from the movie The Heart is deceitful above all things. 166 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:12,080 Speaker 1: That's then seven year old Jimmy Bennett and his co 167 00:11:12,160 --> 00:11:16,640 Speaker 1: star John Robinson in the film seven year Old Jimmy 168 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:24,280 Speaker 1: Bennett is shocking John Robinson as he blurts out lyrics 169 00:11:24,280 --> 00:11:29,560 Speaker 1: of a song that's the same little Boy that we 170 00:11:29,720 --> 00:11:34,920 Speaker 1: now learn co starred with Asia Argento. What we also know, 171 00:11:35,679 --> 00:11:40,840 Speaker 1: the Italian actress, twenty years older than the boy, kissed 172 00:11:40,880 --> 00:11:44,720 Speaker 1: the boy, pushed him onto a bed, and performed sex 173 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:50,079 Speaker 1: on him. According to legal documents, um then there was 174 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:52,880 Speaker 1: a three point five million dollar lawsuit for damages for 175 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:58,680 Speaker 1: intentional infliction of emotional distressed wages, assault battery. The significance 176 00:11:58,679 --> 00:12:02,440 Speaker 1: of all this is that a payoff of three hundred 177 00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:09,000 Speaker 1: and eighty thousand dollars is confirmed in legal documents. Asia Argento, 178 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:16,080 Speaker 1: the woman who led the charge on Hollywood huncho Harvey Weinstein, 179 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:19,880 Speaker 1: is now accused of sex assault on a teen boy 180 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:23,600 Speaker 1: that she met when he was just seven years old, 181 00:12:23,920 --> 00:12:28,720 Speaker 1: and he played her son. The Weinstein accuser and me 182 00:12:28,920 --> 00:12:35,240 Speaker 1: to figurehead. Asia Argento secretly pays off a former child 183 00:12:35,840 --> 00:12:42,720 Speaker 1: star who accused her of sex assault. Oh She's accused 184 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:46,320 Speaker 1: of luring the boy to her California hotel room and 185 00:12:46,400 --> 00:12:51,079 Speaker 1: there sent away his chaperone, gave him alcohol, showed him 186 00:12:51,240 --> 00:12:56,800 Speaker 1: love letters before assault on the boy twenty years older 187 00:12:56,800 --> 00:13:03,080 Speaker 1: than him. The the station this will reek on the 188 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:11,040 Speaker 1: case against Harvey Weinstein is more more than deadly with me. 189 00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:16,400 Speaker 1: Dr Bethany Marshall l A psychoanalyst, Joseph Scott Morgan, forensics expert, 190 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:20,520 Speaker 1: author of Blood Beneath My Feet, Troy Slayton High Profile 191 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:24,479 Speaker 1: l A defense lawyer, and Alexis to res Chuck, investigative 192 00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:29,199 Speaker 1: reporter with Radar Online dot Com. To Troy Slayton, l 193 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:33,720 Speaker 1: A defense lawyer. There is some suggestion floating around out 194 00:13:33,720 --> 00:13:40,080 Speaker 1: there that Harvey Weinstein's camp leaked these documents, these legal 195 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:43,600 Speaker 1: documents that have been sealed or kept secret for so long, 196 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:49,400 Speaker 1: in order to destroy Asia Argento's credibility. I don't know 197 00:13:49,480 --> 00:13:52,320 Speaker 1: that that's true, but the reality is, even if it 198 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:56,520 Speaker 1: is true, leaking those documents are not is that's not 199 00:13:56,600 --> 00:14:00,920 Speaker 1: a crime. The fact is, if she did this thing, 200 00:14:01,679 --> 00:14:03,800 Speaker 1: she did it, and the state's going to have to 201 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:06,600 Speaker 1: deal with it at trial. It's certainly not a crime 202 00:14:06,640 --> 00:14:09,920 Speaker 1: to release it, especially if it's true, and it's not 203 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:15,360 Speaker 1: illegal for anyone to publish it. And this case is 204 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:18,199 Speaker 1: definitely starting to be played out well, has been played 205 00:14:18,200 --> 00:14:21,040 Speaker 1: out in the court of public opinion. And Harvey Weinstein's 206 00:14:21,080 --> 00:14:23,680 Speaker 1: legal team, if he did release this, that means they're 207 00:14:23,720 --> 00:14:28,520 Speaker 1: starting to fight back because any juror has been so 208 00:14:28,920 --> 00:14:31,880 Speaker 1: affected by all of the media coverage that it would 209 00:14:31,880 --> 00:14:34,520 Speaker 1: be almost impossible for him to get a fair trial. 210 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:40,520 Speaker 1: So there better be some sort of um response from 211 00:14:40,760 --> 00:14:45,200 Speaker 1: his defense team. And this is quite canny because it 212 00:14:45,320 --> 00:14:50,400 Speaker 1: shows that his main accuser has her own prior bad acts. 213 00:14:50,560 --> 00:14:53,640 Speaker 1: To Dr Bethany Marshall l A psychoanalysts, can you make 214 00:14:53,680 --> 00:14:56,280 Speaker 1: any sense of it? Dr Bethany, Well, this shows me 215 00:14:56,360 --> 00:14:59,880 Speaker 1: how complicated and nuanced the whole issue of sexual assault 216 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:04,560 Speaker 1: sexual molestation is. It's possible to be a victim and 217 00:15:04,680 --> 00:15:08,160 Speaker 1: to be an abuser. It's possible to be a victim 218 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:13,120 Speaker 1: and to be male. It's possible to be assaulted and 219 00:15:13,160 --> 00:15:16,640 Speaker 1: then to assault. All these things can happen together. You 220 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:20,520 Speaker 1: talked about similar transactions. In my field, we talk about 221 00:15:20,560 --> 00:15:24,160 Speaker 1: psychic equivalents, and what that means is that we're not 222 00:15:24,280 --> 00:15:28,240 Speaker 1: supposed to see two things as identical that are not. 223 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:32,600 Speaker 1: That's an a logic flaw. So to say, because she 224 00:15:32,760 --> 00:15:36,960 Speaker 1: perpetrated a crime potentially or allegedly against this young man 225 00:15:37,680 --> 00:15:42,200 Speaker 1: means that she could not have been a dor bethany 226 00:15:42,480 --> 00:15:46,160 Speaker 1: hold on there was a three hundred and eighty thousand 227 00:15:46,280 --> 00:15:52,320 Speaker 1: dollar payout. Okay, yes, now in my mind, I wouldn't 228 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:56,000 Speaker 1: pay out three d eighty thousand dollars unless something hey 229 00:15:56,000 --> 00:15:59,080 Speaker 1: gone on. Now, there is the outside chance that she 230 00:15:59,120 --> 00:16:04,320 Speaker 1: didn't want the publicity that would result from a trial. However, 231 00:16:05,480 --> 00:16:09,480 Speaker 1: she and the boy, now twenty two years old, have 232 00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:13,760 Speaker 1: been out and about since this incident. So it's kind 233 00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:17,480 Speaker 1: of hard to believe that. I don't know what to 234 00:16:17,520 --> 00:16:21,960 Speaker 1: believe dot about the documents say, we're saying the same 235 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:25,080 Speaker 1: thing I'm saying. It seems to me as if she's 236 00:16:25,120 --> 00:16:28,400 Speaker 1: a perpetrator, But that doesn't mean that she wasn't also 237 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:33,280 Speaker 1: perpetrated upon by Harvey Weinstein. Both can be true, that's all. Yes, 238 00:16:33,520 --> 00:16:37,320 Speaker 1: both can be true. And what I find very disturbing. 239 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:41,240 Speaker 1: Very disturbing as a woman, is that she knew this 240 00:16:41,280 --> 00:16:43,680 Speaker 1: boy when he was six or seven years old. She 241 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:46,320 Speaker 1: was in a maternal role with him, She saw him 242 00:16:46,360 --> 00:16:50,200 Speaker 1: throughout all of his develop developmental years, and then cross 243 00:16:50,280 --> 00:16:53,840 Speaker 1: the line. I find that very disturbing. For some reason, 244 00:16:54,400 --> 00:16:58,120 Speaker 1: Harvey Weinstein was never an a parental role with her, 245 00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:01,160 Speaker 1: So in some ways I see this as creature. This 246 00:17:01,240 --> 00:17:04,720 Speaker 1: is what we know Asia Argento, a me Too leader 247 00:17:05,800 --> 00:17:08,439 Speaker 1: who was one of the very first women in the 248 00:17:08,480 --> 00:17:13,840 Speaker 1: movie business to accuse Hollywood hauncho Harvey Weinstein of sex 249 00:17:13,880 --> 00:17:19,080 Speaker 1: assault her boyfriend, as we all know, the TV star 250 00:17:19,240 --> 00:17:26,520 Speaker 1: Anthony Bourdaine, and the months that followed her accusations against Weinstein. 251 00:17:26,720 --> 00:17:32,600 Speaker 1: Last October, following that, Asia Argento arranged to pay three 252 00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:38,760 Speaker 1: hundred and eighty thousand dollars to her own accuser, a 253 00:17:38,960 --> 00:17:44,280 Speaker 1: boy actor a musician, who said she sex assaulted him 254 00:17:44,320 --> 00:17:47,960 Speaker 1: in a California hotel room when he was just two 255 00:17:47,960 --> 00:17:53,520 Speaker 1: months past seventeen. She thirty seven. There's no doubt about it. 256 00:17:53,600 --> 00:17:57,640 Speaker 1: The age of consent in California is eighteen. All this 257 00:17:58,160 --> 00:18:02,399 Speaker 1: according to The New York Times. So after she comes 258 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:11,760 Speaker 1: out attacking Weinstein, this occurs, the payoff occurs. According to 259 00:18:11,920 --> 00:18:16,120 Speaker 1: legal documents, how will that affect the case against Weinstein? 260 00:18:16,200 --> 00:18:21,040 Speaker 1: Women lining up with stories that apparently have been corroborated 261 00:18:21,119 --> 00:18:25,360 Speaker 1: about rape, sex assault, sexual pressure in order to get 262 00:18:25,359 --> 00:18:28,880 Speaker 1: a job or keep a job. Take a listen to this. 263 00:18:29,080 --> 00:18:31,200 Speaker 1: Take us to the moment that you knew you were 264 00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:33,919 Speaker 1: in trouble with him. Um. Well, I had met him 265 00:18:33,920 --> 00:18:38,159 Speaker 1: in New York previously, um, and we had been in 266 00:18:38,240 --> 00:18:42,879 Speaker 1: touch about an audition for a Quentin Tarantino film and 267 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:44,760 Speaker 1: I had submitted it to l A and then I 268 00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:47,920 Speaker 1: ran back into him later and that's when I met 269 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:51,160 Speaker 1: with him at the Peninsula when I had moved to 270 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:56,000 Speaker 1: the West Coast, So I really didn't know anything about 271 00:18:56,800 --> 00:18:59,320 Speaker 1: the Peninsula, like if he was staying there. I thought 272 00:18:59,320 --> 00:19:01,800 Speaker 1: we were meeting at the bar, which we did, and 273 00:19:01,800 --> 00:19:03,760 Speaker 1: then he told me, Okay, we're going to my room 274 00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:07,040 Speaker 1: now after a few minutes of conversation about movie roles. 275 00:19:08,480 --> 00:19:10,919 Speaker 1: So then we go up to the suite and I 276 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:14,240 Speaker 1: realized he kind of like has a place there, and 277 00:19:14,320 --> 00:19:17,520 Speaker 1: he offers me champagne. And it was very similar to 278 00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:22,760 Speaker 1: her story that he just is very dominant, persuasive, does 279 00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:26,360 Speaker 1: not back down if you say no, and kind of 280 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:28,560 Speaker 1: just forced me into doing something I didn't want to do. 281 00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:32,840 Speaker 1: I don't want to make you feel uncomfortable, but you know, 282 00:19:32,920 --> 00:19:35,760 Speaker 1: some some people here forced oral sex and they think 283 00:19:36,119 --> 00:19:39,600 Speaker 1: how right? Like how it did he hold you down? 284 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:43,040 Speaker 1: Could you just help us understand that? I feel like 285 00:19:43,080 --> 00:19:46,960 Speaker 1: it was a coercive thing. Um, just that he wouldn't 286 00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:50,320 Speaker 1: let it up, that he that it was just going 287 00:19:50,359 --> 00:19:56,520 Speaker 1: to happen no matter how hard I refused, And did 288 00:19:56,600 --> 00:19:59,200 Speaker 1: you said no? How did it end? Did you? How 289 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:04,639 Speaker 1: did you leave your the hotel room? Um? It just 290 00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:08,320 Speaker 1: that I left after pretty much he was done with 291 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:14,000 Speaker 1: whatever he intended to do, so I just left after. 292 00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:18,840 Speaker 1: I don't know how to put it. Get Then I 293 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:23,359 Speaker 1: went to Cannes in May two thousand and fourteen, and 294 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:28,280 Speaker 1: whilst I was there, Harvey Weinstein approached me in the 295 00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:32,560 Speaker 1: majestics in the lobby. It was quite forceful in a 296 00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:36,680 Speaker 1: sense of telling me to relax, and I think then 297 00:20:36,760 --> 00:20:41,159 Speaker 1: I started to like get a little bit confused. He 298 00:20:43,240 --> 00:20:47,000 Speaker 1: took hold of me and pretty much forced me to 299 00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:50,960 Speaker 1: walk with him to the bathroom where he stood me 300 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:55,080 Speaker 1: in front of the mirror and he stood behind me 301 00:20:56,359 --> 00:20:58,879 Speaker 1: and I was like, what are you doing, and like 302 00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:01,760 Speaker 1: he's like watching me, robbing me, and he's like just 303 00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:05,440 Speaker 1: relax and I'm telling him to stop, and you would 304 00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:07,520 Speaker 1: raise his voice when at the same time he kept 305 00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:10,960 Speaker 1: reassuring me that everything's going to be okay. You're hearing 306 00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:15,879 Speaker 1: sound of actress Katian Noble describing weinstein sex assault on 307 00:21:16,080 --> 00:21:20,280 Speaker 1: her in a hotel room in France joining me. Alexis 308 00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:23,199 Speaker 1: tres Cho Raiter online dot com, Troy Slayton L A 309 00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:27,120 Speaker 1: defense lawyer, Joseph Scott Morgan, professor of forensics at Jacksonville 310 00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:30,639 Speaker 1: State University and author of Blood Beneath My Feet, and 311 00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:35,680 Speaker 1: Dr Bethany Marshall L A psychoanalyst to Alexis to Rez Schuck, 312 00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:40,520 Speaker 1: investigative reporter Radar online dot com. Alexis I, this is 313 00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:45,640 Speaker 1: a a very very bad turn of events for the prosecution. 314 00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:50,919 Speaker 1: Argento had been one of its lead witnesses, very bold, 315 00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:55,520 Speaker 1: being very brave and coming out against Weinstein. Uh. The 316 00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:59,919 Speaker 1: Times has repeatedly tried to get responses from our Genta 317 00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:05,119 Speaker 1: and her rips. They're laying low right now. In the 318 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:07,960 Speaker 1: last hours, it has come out that ar Gento apparently 319 00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:14,200 Speaker 1: paid off eighteen boy after a sex assault on him 320 00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:19,520 Speaker 1: in a California hotel room. Alexis Tourez Chuck, Let's start 321 00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:23,440 Speaker 1: at the beginning. What do we know about how this occurred? 322 00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:26,440 Speaker 1: When did it come out? Why did it come out? 323 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:29,920 Speaker 1: I don't think there's a coincidence in criminal law. Alexis 324 00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:33,280 Speaker 1: at the time when the States preparing trial against Harvey 325 00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:35,960 Speaker 1: Weinstein and now this comes out. So it just came 326 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:39,679 Speaker 1: out over the weekend. What it happened. It took place 327 00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:44,360 Speaker 1: in May when she lured this boy to the Ritz 328 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:48,000 Speaker 1: Carlton and Marina del Rey at a waterfront high end hotel. 329 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:51,639 Speaker 1: This is where the alleged assault happened. They did not 330 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:56,480 Speaker 1: come forward against her until seen. So this is after 331 00:22:56,520 --> 00:23:01,200 Speaker 1: the Harvey Weinstein news has broken. They his attorney came 332 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:03,280 Speaker 1: to Asia and said, we are going to suit you 333 00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:07,800 Speaker 1: for three point five million dollars for this alleged assault. 334 00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:10,359 Speaker 1: She worked out a deal. Now it is ben said that. 335 00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:13,560 Speaker 1: So Anthony Bourdain was her boyfriend at the time, very 336 00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:17,320 Speaker 1: involved and very vocal against Harvey Weinstein in the entire situation. 337 00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:21,760 Speaker 1: He helped her negotiate this deal. He advised her through 338 00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:23,880 Speaker 1: all of this. She ended up paying this Boy three 339 00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:28,120 Speaker 1: hundred and eighty thousand dollars in a settlement. The thing 340 00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:30,479 Speaker 1: was the one thing she did not do is and 341 00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:34,120 Speaker 1: it's really becoming no longer enforceable in California. She did 342 00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:37,560 Speaker 1: not require a nondisclosure agreement. She didn't ask him not 343 00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:41,160 Speaker 1: to say anything about the situation at all. So, now 344 00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:43,159 Speaker 1: that Harvey Weinstein is about to go to trial, it 345 00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:46,639 Speaker 1: has come out that this happened, this has become public. 346 00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:51,560 Speaker 1: Nobody has spoken. Jimmy's attorney has said that he will 347 00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:53,760 Speaker 1: say something in the next few days. He said, but 348 00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:57,120 Speaker 1: this is he said. He understands in our twenty four 349 00:23:57,119 --> 00:23:59,320 Speaker 1: hour news cycle that we would like a comment immediately, 350 00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:01,320 Speaker 1: but he needs a days to process what he's going 351 00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:04,080 Speaker 1: to say about something that he says. He claims he 352 00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:06,560 Speaker 1: did not expect to become a public In October, a 353 00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:12,280 Speaker 1: month before Bennett sends the demand for money from Argento, 354 00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:16,040 Speaker 1: The New Yorker published an article by Running Pharaoh that 355 00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:23,840 Speaker 1: included Argento among thirteen women that say Weinstein harassed and 356 00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:30,520 Speaker 1: or raped them. Um the timing of everything of her 357 00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:34,560 Speaker 1: speaking out against Weinstein, and then right after that, this 358 00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:38,480 Speaker 1: demand for money from the Boy. Now twenty two years 359 00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:43,800 Speaker 1: old occurs, the threatened lawsuit for three point five million dollars, 360 00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:47,399 Speaker 1: the payoff of three hundred and eighty thousand dollars, and 361 00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:53,480 Speaker 1: now mysteriously the whole thing is made public. The boy 362 00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:58,000 Speaker 1: Bennett was a child actor and he wowed Harrison Ford 363 00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:01,160 Speaker 1: and Bruce Willis. They gave him the nickname Jimmy two 364 00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:06,320 Speaker 1: takes because he hardly ever flubbed his lines. He goes 365 00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:09,760 Speaker 1: from being a child actor fast forward to now and 366 00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:16,240 Speaker 1: today to Joseph Scott Morgan, forensics expert. I don't see 367 00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:19,520 Speaker 1: how forensics plays a role in this, it's really all 368 00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:24,720 Speaker 1: he says. She say, but because of the settlement with 369 00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:28,840 Speaker 1: Argento and the boy that lends it credibility that makes 370 00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:32,680 Speaker 1: it seem real. Yeah, I'd agree with you, Nancy. And listen, 371 00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:36,120 Speaker 1: we take down all the wind addressing, the Hollywood wind 372 00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:40,160 Speaker 1: addressing and everything, and what we're talking about here are crombs. Okay, 373 00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:43,400 Speaker 1: at the end of the day, and you know, let's 374 00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:46,800 Speaker 1: just say that we had two people in the prison yard. 375 00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:51,040 Speaker 1: They're both, you know, convicted murderers, and one of the 376 00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:54,200 Speaker 1: murders comes forward and kills another murderer. It's still a 377 00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:59,000 Speaker 1: murder and you know, uh, You've got these people that 378 00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:03,080 Speaker 1: are perpetrating these crimes, male and female, that are out there. 379 00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:05,960 Speaker 1: And you know, people want to talk about power differentials 380 00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:08,159 Speaker 1: and and all these sorts of things that go on. 381 00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:11,080 Speaker 1: At the end of the day, these people are taking 382 00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:14,720 Speaker 1: advantage of people that have less power than they do 383 00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:18,680 Speaker 1: and they're committing crimes, heinous crimes. If cause these people 384 00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:21,840 Speaker 1: where they're scarred forever and ever, you know, to troice 385 00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:25,000 Speaker 1: lat and high profile l a defense attorney, I am 386 00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:29,840 Speaker 1: not denying that Argento did this thing and had a 387 00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:33,320 Speaker 1: sex attack on a boy, all right, not denying it 388 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:36,840 Speaker 1: when you put witnesses on the stand, that you put 389 00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:40,639 Speaker 1: them up their warts at all. Okay, As I said earlier, 390 00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:43,240 Speaker 1: I've had to tell many a jury, even a hooker 391 00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:47,960 Speaker 1: can't get raped. It's happened, It's happened many, many times, 392 00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:51,479 Speaker 1: and it will happen again. Just because she's a hooker 393 00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:54,520 Speaker 1: does not mean she cannot be attacked. And that is 394 00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:57,280 Speaker 1: a rate that needs to be prosecuted and the put 395 00:26:57,359 --> 00:27:02,679 Speaker 1: in jail. Bam, say a thing applies here with Argento, 396 00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:06,560 Speaker 1: So let me just put it out there. Argento still 397 00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:09,520 Speaker 1: needs to be a witness. A chief witness at trial, 398 00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:13,399 Speaker 1: and the state needs to tell the jury upfront about 399 00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:18,160 Speaker 1: the claims against Argento. They should not let one bad 400 00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:22,119 Speaker 1: apple ruin the case against Weinstein. Let me talk to 401 00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:26,640 Speaker 1: you about strategy, Troy Slayton. Now we're uh, it doesn't 402 00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:32,440 Speaker 1: matter how these documents were leaked. But I'm curious. I'm curious, Troy, 403 00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:35,880 Speaker 1: because these documents about the lawsuit, the three point five 404 00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:39,600 Speaker 1: million dollar lawsuit that was threatened, the three and eighty 405 00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:43,479 Speaker 1: thousand dollar payoff by Asian Argento to this boy, and 406 00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:47,720 Speaker 1: a selfie of Argento and the boy lying in bed 407 00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:52,880 Speaker 1: together reportedly were sent to The New York Times by 408 00:27:53,040 --> 00:28:02,399 Speaker 1: encrypted mail encrypted email by an unidentified party. Now, who 409 00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:07,080 Speaker 1: has the sense and the knowledge to pull off something 410 00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:10,800 Speaker 1: like that to the New York Times, Troy Slayton, Come on, 411 00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:14,879 Speaker 1: if it's not Weinstein, and there's nothing wrong with sharing it. 412 00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:19,520 Speaker 1: There was no confidentiality agreement. They can take out a 413 00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:23,560 Speaker 1: full page add if they want to, putting aside. But 414 00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:26,359 Speaker 1: who sent it to the New York Times? That's what 415 00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:30,400 Speaker 1: I'm asking you. Who has any motive? Who has who 416 00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:35,040 Speaker 1: would benefit at all from making these documents public other 417 00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:37,600 Speaker 1: than the Weinstein camp. Well, I think I don't care 418 00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:40,120 Speaker 1: who did it. If it's the truth, so be it. 419 00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:44,040 Speaker 1: But I'm curious sort of public opinion benefits. And I'm 420 00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:49,640 Speaker 1: baffled by the incompetence of Asia Argento's lawyers to not 421 00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:54,920 Speaker 1: include a a non disclosure agreement, a non disparagement agreement 422 00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:59,560 Speaker 1: in a three hundred and forty dollar payout. That seems 423 00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:04,280 Speaker 1: like mal practice to me. But aside from that, of course, Uh, 424 00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:07,959 Speaker 1: Harvey Weinstein's legal team would have motivation to get this 425 00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:14,200 Speaker 1: out because they're telling you something, Troy Slaight and hold 426 00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:18,120 Speaker 1: on hold to horses. You know what, the state's got 427 00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:20,920 Speaker 1: a tiger by the tail. Let me just say a 428 00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:26,520 Speaker 1: fox by the tail. Because this Harvey Weinstein bunch, the lawyers, 429 00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:33,440 Speaker 1: the whole kit and kaboodle, are wiley. They're clever, they're smart, 430 00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:37,400 Speaker 1: they're sneaky. Hey everything you want a defense lawyer, right, Troy, 431 00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:42,120 Speaker 1: no offense, But they better watch out. They think they've 432 00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:44,920 Speaker 1: got a great case going into trial with all these 433 00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:49,000 Speaker 1: women who were very likely all telling the truth. Uh, 434 00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:53,320 Speaker 1: it ain't over yet. Weinstein can walk and this is 435 00:29:53,400 --> 00:30:01,360 Speaker 1: proof I was raped by Harvey Weinstein. You can I 436 00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:06,240 Speaker 1: was twenty one years old. This festival was his hunting ground, 437 00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:11,240 Speaker 1: and even tonight sitting among you, there are those who 438 00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:16,120 Speaker 1: still have to be held accountable for their conduct against women. 439 00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:20,000 Speaker 1: You know who you are. Ouch. All of that is true. 440 00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:24,719 Speaker 1: I'm sure that's Asia Argento at a con speech stating 441 00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:29,040 Speaker 1: Harvey Weinstein raped her. Alan que that up again for me. 442 00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:31,040 Speaker 1: I want to hear that again because in the last 443 00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:35,920 Speaker 1: hours of bizarre twist in the rape cases against Hollywood 444 00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:41,720 Speaker 1: mogul Harvey Weinstein, when a boy comes forward, a then 445 00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:47,160 Speaker 1: boy who met Argento at age seven, says she sex 446 00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:55,840 Speaker 1: assaulted him. Uh, listen to this. I was raped by 447 00:30:55,840 --> 00:31:00,640 Speaker 1: Harvey Weinstein, you can I was twenty one years old. 448 00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:06,760 Speaker 1: This festival was his hunting ground, and even tonight sitting 449 00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:10,440 Speaker 1: among you, there are those who still have to be 450 00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:15,000 Speaker 1: held accountable for their conduct against women. You know who 451 00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:18,960 Speaker 1: you are. Okay. Has anybody ever heard the phrase the 452 00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:23,360 Speaker 1: pots calling the kettle black? Anybody ever heard that? In 453 00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:27,920 Speaker 1: other words, Dr Bethany Marshall, I'm sure there is a 454 00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:33,400 Speaker 1: very confusing and highbrow term for pot calling the kettle black. 455 00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:36,800 Speaker 1: Dr Bethany Marshall ellis psycho analyst. I mean there, you 456 00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:41,880 Speaker 1: got Asia arg Into fiery speech at Khan, and I'm 457 00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:46,320 Speaker 1: sure everything she said was true where sex attackers must 458 00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:51,400 Speaker 1: be held accountable, but that would include her too, that 459 00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:53,880 Speaker 1: would include her, And the term I would use his 460 00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:58,240 Speaker 1: lack of integration. She's not integrating into that. I knew 461 00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:04,360 Speaker 1: you'd have a term for Bethany, lack of integration. David, 462 00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:09,680 Speaker 1: you're showing a lack of integration because lack of integration. 463 00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:12,160 Speaker 1: You just hit your sister, and now you're telling me 464 00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:15,400 Speaker 1: that you're my favorite child and you're such a good kid. 465 00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:19,000 Speaker 1: That's not integrating what you did the minute before. And 466 00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:21,480 Speaker 1: the same thing with her. She's not integrating her past 467 00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:26,320 Speaker 1: behaviors into that speech. And sadly, her offending style with 468 00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:30,320 Speaker 1: this young boy is similar to Harvey's against her. You know, 469 00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:34,400 Speaker 1: there was a power differential, there's an age differential, Nancy. 470 00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:37,480 Speaker 1: She offered him a role in a film and tweeted 471 00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:40,760 Speaker 1: about it after she had intercourse with him. So there 472 00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:44,000 Speaker 1: was a whit whit whit wha white, white, white what 473 00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:47,920 Speaker 1: she offered him? What did you She offered him a 474 00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:52,240 Speaker 1: role in one of her upcoming films after she accosted him, 475 00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:57,280 Speaker 1: and she tweeted about it, tweeted about what Graham, She 476 00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:02,000 Speaker 1: said that, um, Bennett is going I forget the exact words, 477 00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:03,960 Speaker 1: but something to the effect of Bennett is going to 478 00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:07,480 Speaker 1: have a role in my new film. So there's his 479 00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:12,560 Speaker 1: award reward for having been a victim. Man talk about 480 00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:19,200 Speaker 1: casting couch role reversal. Alexis Terrez Chuck. What First of all, alexis, 481 00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:24,240 Speaker 1: what is she talking about? What? What? What tweet? Remember 482 00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:29,240 Speaker 1: she our Gento was twenty one when she was raped. 483 00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:33,560 Speaker 1: According to her by Weinstein, She's thirty seven when she 484 00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:39,720 Speaker 1: abused this boy according to these legal documents. What alexis 485 00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:43,160 Speaker 1: is Dr Bethany Marshall talking about what tweets? So basically, 486 00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:47,280 Speaker 1: this entire day that this alleged assault happened, she Asia 487 00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:51,440 Speaker 1: was on Instagram and Twitter building up to the event, saying, 488 00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:56,080 Speaker 1: I am so excited. I cannot wait to see Jimmy Bennett. 489 00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:58,360 Speaker 1: She puts his Twitter tag on there, and then she said, 490 00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:02,120 Speaker 1: I'm gonna be smoking so many cigarettes afterwards. Gross. Then 491 00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:06,000 Speaker 1: she says they she gives him the alcohol. Okay, hold 492 00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:09,000 Speaker 1: hold on just a moment, White White, What could you 493 00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:11,439 Speaker 1: repeat that for me? I need to hear it again 494 00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:14,040 Speaker 1: to let it sink in. What she says I'm going 495 00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:18,480 Speaker 1: to be smoking so many cigarettes afterwards, after tweeting this photo, 496 00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:22,080 Speaker 1: after tweeting that she was anticipating seeing him, and then 497 00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:23,759 Speaker 1: she says, after I see him, I'm going to be 498 00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:27,040 Speaker 1: smoking so many cigarettes. Okay, I think I must have 499 00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:29,719 Speaker 1: my head on backwards, which I've been accused of a 500 00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:33,399 Speaker 1: lot worse. Alexas, please tell me that again, because this 501 00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:36,080 Speaker 1: is very important to me. Enter the case against Weinstein. 502 00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:38,920 Speaker 1: Start at the beginning one more time. Sorry, go ahead. 503 00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:44,080 Speaker 1: So before as she's as the day is progressing and 504 00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:47,440 Speaker 1: she's going to see Jimmy at the hotel, she tweets 505 00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:49,759 Speaker 1: that she's going to see him. She's very excited about it, 506 00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:52,120 Speaker 1: and she's going to have so many going to be 507 00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:55,480 Speaker 1: smoking so many cigarettes after she sees him, which is 508 00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:58,080 Speaker 1: a reference to you know, you smoke a cigarette after 509 00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:00,879 Speaker 1: having sex because you're so satisfy. The cigarette just makes 510 00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:04,799 Speaker 1: it even better. Um, Alexis, what year was it that 511 00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:10,000 Speaker 1: they alleged hotel rape encounter occurred with her and the boy? 512 00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:16,000 Speaker 1: Two thousand? That's within the statute of limitations. I'm I 513 00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:18,760 Speaker 1: have to look at California law again, but I'm pretty 514 00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:21,920 Speaker 1: sure it's seven years and the police are looking into it. 515 00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:24,919 Speaker 1: You're exactly right. They made an announcement, they said, nobody 516 00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:27,640 Speaker 1: this young man did not file a police report. We 517 00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:29,400 Speaker 1: had never heard of this, but since we've heard of 518 00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:32,319 Speaker 1: it and it happened in our jurisdiction, our police are 519 00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:34,520 Speaker 1: investigating this because it is a crime and we want 520 00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:37,600 Speaker 1: to make sure that crime victims are protected, so that 521 00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:40,520 Speaker 1: this has now become a criminal investigator just Scott Morgan, 522 00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:45,600 Speaker 1: forensics expert. They have to investigate it. They have to. 523 00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:49,200 Speaker 1: And with this tweet that she herself put out there, 524 00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:52,399 Speaker 1: I'm going to have so many cigarettes after meeting with Jimmy. 525 00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:55,440 Speaker 1: He is a teen boy in the eyes of the 526 00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:59,600 Speaker 1: law at that time, and that corroborates what he said 527 00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:03,680 Speaker 1: happen along with the three and eighty thousand dollars settlement. 528 00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:08,799 Speaker 1: And listen to this um for the boy. Uh he 529 00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:12,640 Speaker 1: sees our gento putting herself out there as a sex 530 00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:15,839 Speaker 1: attack victim. His lawyer says that was just too much 531 00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:19,120 Speaker 1: for him to take and it dredged up memories of 532 00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:23,400 Speaker 1: his own attack at her at her hands, quote the lawyer. 533 00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:26,200 Speaker 1: His feelings about that day were brought to the forefront 534 00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:29,319 Speaker 1: recently when Argento took the spotlight as one of the 535 00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:36,120 Speaker 1: many victims of Harvey Weinstein. Holy Molly, it's all laid 536 00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:44,440 Speaker 1: out in documents. Joe Scott, what way in hey? Listen? 537 00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:48,920 Speaker 1: Like I said earlier, Nancy, it's a crime, that's you know, 538 00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:51,600 Speaker 1: And this is this is the rub for us. You know, 539 00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:54,040 Speaker 1: live out here in what would be termed as fly 540 00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:57,879 Speaker 1: over country. If this were us, and you know good 541 00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:00,120 Speaker 1: and well what I'm talking about, if this were us, 542 00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:05,160 Speaker 1: just Joe six back, the rules would be completely different. 543 00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:08,279 Speaker 1: But yet these people are allowed to get away with 544 00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:12,120 Speaker 1: victimizing people over and over and over and over again. 545 00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:14,840 Speaker 1: And that's why many of us just hold them in 546 00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:19,840 Speaker 1: total contempt. You know that this child and look she 547 00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:25,000 Speaker 1: met this child? When when did we say she met seven? 548 00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:28,440 Speaker 1: All of a sudden, All of a sudden, this thing 549 00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:32,080 Speaker 1: just bubbles up when he's seventeen years old. I'm calling BS, 550 00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:36,000 Speaker 1: I'm calling VS because I think that she was probably 551 00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:39,440 Speaker 1: creating to sing in her mind way before this. Now 552 00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:43,640 Speaker 1: there is a very strong possibility Weinstein accuser Aser Argento 553 00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:46,680 Speaker 1: is going to be fighting criminal charges of her own, 554 00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:52,040 Speaker 1: charges of sex attack on a minor. Alan cue that 555 00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:54,719 Speaker 1: up again for me. I want to hear that again. 556 00:37:56,320 --> 00:38:01,080 Speaker 1: I was raped by Harvey Weinstein. You can yeah. I 557 00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:05,920 Speaker 1: was twenty one years old. This festival was his hunting ground, 558 00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:10,919 Speaker 1: and even tonight, sitting among you, there are those who 559 00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:15,840 Speaker 1: still have to be held accountable for their conduct against women. 560 00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:20,360 Speaker 1: You know who you are. Nancy Grace, Crime Stories, signing off, 561 00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:21,400 Speaker 1: goodbye friend,