1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:03,880 Speaker 1: Welcome to another episode of the Music Sapany podcast, where 2 00:00:04,000 --> 00:00:07,440 Speaker 1: the transformative power of music takes center stage. 3 00:00:07,520 --> 00:00:10,280 Speaker 2: Today, I am well, let's first tell you. 4 00:00:10,320 --> 00:00:13,280 Speaker 1: I'm Lynn Hoffman and today my guest is Nashville based 5 00:00:13,360 --> 00:00:17,360 Speaker 1: acclaimed singer songwriter Jess JACOI Did I say that right? 6 00:00:17,400 --> 00:00:18,119 Speaker 3: Perfect? Nailed it? 7 00:00:18,239 --> 00:00:18,759 Speaker 2: Okay good. 8 00:00:19,360 --> 00:00:24,040 Speaker 1: Jess creates music for those navigating lifes in between spaces. 9 00:00:24,120 --> 00:00:29,080 Speaker 1: I just love that, blending cinematic storytelling with folk rooted introspection, 10 00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:32,600 Speaker 1: and it's shaped by over a decade of lost heartache 11 00:00:32,680 --> 00:00:36,040 Speaker 1: and self doubt. Now, Jess's latest project has been making 12 00:00:36,080 --> 00:00:39,280 Speaker 1: waves for its raw honesty and emotional depth, and it 13 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:41,800 Speaker 1: gives listeners really a front row seat to the healing 14 00:00:41,880 --> 00:00:46,040 Speaker 1: process through melody and words. Whether it's her new album 15 00:00:46,640 --> 00:00:49,239 Speaker 1: called The sac Kid or her new single of the 16 00:00:49,280 --> 00:00:52,440 Speaker 1: same name, Jess is proving that music isn't just a soundtrack, 17 00:00:52,920 --> 00:00:55,880 Speaker 1: it is a lifeline. Get Ready for a glimpse into 18 00:00:55,920 --> 00:00:59,760 Speaker 1: her creative spark, how she fights against self doubt and 19 00:00:59,760 --> 00:01:02,280 Speaker 1: the the way her newest work is helping fans find 20 00:01:02,320 --> 00:01:06,679 Speaker 1: hope in unexpected places. Jess JACOI, welcome to Music Save Me. 21 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:08,000 Speaker 1: It is so nice to meet. 22 00:01:07,840 --> 00:01:11,800 Speaker 3: You, Oh, thank you. And likewise, you know, the. 23 00:01:11,760 --> 00:01:13,920 Speaker 1: Thing that popped out to me in that intro for 24 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:17,920 Speaker 1: you was the word self doubt. And before we really 25 00:01:17,959 --> 00:01:20,080 Speaker 1: get started, I feel like that is one of the 26 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:23,080 Speaker 1: biggest issues that holds people back. I feel like we 27 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:26,440 Speaker 1: all deal with self doubt and it's that kind of 28 00:01:26,440 --> 00:01:29,240 Speaker 1: thing that keeps getting in the way of our own success. Yeah, 29 00:01:29,280 --> 00:01:31,880 Speaker 1: you come up with excuses, and you know, we do 30 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:33,520 Speaker 1: it to ourselves a lot, don't we. 31 00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:36,680 Speaker 3: I think more so probably than the world does it 32 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:38,920 Speaker 3: to us. In a sense. I mean, I know there's 33 00:01:38,959 --> 00:01:41,600 Speaker 3: gonna be naysayers out there and people who say, like, oh, 34 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:43,679 Speaker 3: you should probably get a real job, you know, that 35 00:01:43,760 --> 00:01:47,600 Speaker 3: kind of thing. But I think at least I can 36 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:49,760 Speaker 3: only speak for myself. I have stood in my way 37 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:54,200 Speaker 3: more times than not, you know, that's just be honest truth. 38 00:01:54,240 --> 00:01:56,920 Speaker 3: And I'm very, very blessed to have people around me, 39 00:01:57,080 --> 00:01:59,760 Speaker 3: especially you know, shout out to my mom, who's my 40 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:04,400 Speaker 3: best friend. You know, she is really like my foundation 41 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:07,280 Speaker 3: and my roots in the earth to stay tethered and 42 00:02:07,320 --> 00:02:10,200 Speaker 3: grounded and just say, hey, you know what, it's cool, 43 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:12,919 Speaker 3: you got this, you know, and she does not hesitate 44 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:16,600 Speaker 3: to do that at any chance. So you know, it's 45 00:02:16,639 --> 00:02:19,240 Speaker 3: it's definitely a matter of who you get to be 46 00:02:19,320 --> 00:02:22,960 Speaker 3: surrounded by or who you surround yourself with. But yeah, 47 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:26,760 Speaker 3: it's it's there, like that self doubt is, it's always there. 48 00:02:26,919 --> 00:02:30,400 Speaker 3: I think at least it can be. It's always kind 49 00:02:30,440 --> 00:02:32,200 Speaker 3: of something you're up against. 50 00:02:32,639 --> 00:02:34,960 Speaker 1: But you thanks to mom. Shout out to mom. Like 51 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:37,280 Speaker 1: you said, that's it's huge. And like you said about 52 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:40,639 Speaker 1: people surrounding you, you know, there are people that come 53 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:42,639 Speaker 1: into your life that you don't even realize are there 54 00:02:42,639 --> 00:02:44,440 Speaker 1: to help you through things. So you have to sort 55 00:02:44,480 --> 00:02:47,400 Speaker 1: of figure that out. And if you're fortunate enough to 56 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:51,639 Speaker 1: figure that out, then you move forward, like for example, 57 00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:53,920 Speaker 1: your story, which is is pretty amazing. 58 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:57,079 Speaker 3: Oh thank you. Yeah, No, I mean it's it's I 59 00:02:57,080 --> 00:02:59,680 Speaker 3: think even in you know, there's music life, and then 60 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:01,560 Speaker 3: I think for a lot of us there's maybe the 61 00:03:01,639 --> 00:03:05,920 Speaker 3: day day job life or outside life, and even in that, 62 00:03:06,040 --> 00:03:08,799 Speaker 3: I'm finding I think the older I get, you know, oh, 63 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:12,200 Speaker 3: this thing happened at work and this kind of was 64 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:14,840 Speaker 3: something I'm carrying with me in my life as a 65 00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:17,720 Speaker 3: life lesson of how I can react going forward or 66 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:22,000 Speaker 3: how I can handle that situation going forward. So I 67 00:03:22,040 --> 00:03:25,680 Speaker 3: think it comes with age and kind of learning to 68 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:28,200 Speaker 3: settle in and settle down a little bit in life. 69 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:31,960 Speaker 3: And I think that's kind of helped me at least. 70 00:03:32,080 --> 00:03:34,160 Speaker 3: Is it's not perfect, but you know, I feel like 71 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:35,360 Speaker 3: I'm heading in the right direction. 72 00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:39,280 Speaker 1: Yes, that is the whole premise of this podcast is 73 00:03:39,320 --> 00:03:42,120 Speaker 1: to share stories like that so other people can see 74 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:45,000 Speaker 1: that we're more alike than we're different and we can 75 00:03:45,040 --> 00:03:47,800 Speaker 1: all plow through life together. I always look at as 76 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:49,920 Speaker 1: like a rising tide lifts all boats. So if everybody 77 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:53,160 Speaker 1: helps everybody, which is kind of a really big wish, 78 00:03:53,880 --> 00:03:57,160 Speaker 1: it's like world peace, but we all lift each other up. 79 00:03:57,280 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 1: All right, We got to take a quick break and 80 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:01,600 Speaker 1: pay some bill. But when we come back, I want 81 00:04:01,640 --> 00:04:05,720 Speaker 1: to ask Jess what Alan Jackson and Shania Twain had 82 00:04:05,760 --> 00:04:08,400 Speaker 1: to do with the beginning of her career. But we'll 83 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:11,200 Speaker 1: be right back after this stick around. It's music saved me. 84 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:17,520 Speaker 1: Music saved me. All right, Well we are back with 85 00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:21,719 Speaker 1: Jess Jacquoi. Let's talk about your musical journey and what 86 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:25,640 Speaker 1: first drew you to creating music. And like I said 87 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:27,800 Speaker 1: before the break, did Alan Jackson and Shania Twain have 88 00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:28,800 Speaker 1: anything to do with it? 89 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:32,880 Speaker 3: You know, I think in some way the kind of 90 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:36,279 Speaker 3: foundation story for me is I've always been a singer. 91 00:04:36,320 --> 00:04:39,159 Speaker 3: I've always sang since I was, you know, two years 92 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:42,080 Speaker 3: old bringing home a baby Bumblebee, you know, my first song. 93 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:45,679 Speaker 3: My mom, the story she likes to tell is when 94 00:04:45,839 --> 00:04:47,760 Speaker 3: she was pregnant with me, her and my dad would 95 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:50,280 Speaker 3: go fishing and she would sit for hours with just 96 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:53,680 Speaker 3: headphones over her belly playing the Dances with Wolve soundtrack, 97 00:04:54,320 --> 00:04:56,040 Speaker 3: And I joke and I'm like, that's probably why I 98 00:04:56,120 --> 00:04:58,960 Speaker 3: love listening to like movie scores and instrumental music now. 99 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:01,479 Speaker 3: But I think that that's kind of what was the 100 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:05,880 Speaker 3: earworm into the introduction for music, because apart from some 101 00:05:05,920 --> 00:05:09,560 Speaker 3: distant cousins, like I'm kind of the only musically you know, 102 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:13,320 Speaker 3: leaning person in my family in this generation. I mean, 103 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:15,320 Speaker 3: the younger generations are starting to pick it up, which 104 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:18,960 Speaker 3: is cool, but it just kind of came out of nowhere. 105 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:22,640 Speaker 3: But I've always been a singer. But I think fundamentally, 106 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:26,840 Speaker 3: my dad and I were super close growing up, and 107 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:29,600 Speaker 3: he would drive me to school every morning and we 108 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:33,280 Speaker 3: I would make him listen faithfully to For a while, 109 00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:35,520 Speaker 3: it was the up record by Shanai Twain. It was 110 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:37,360 Speaker 3: like a double record because it was like a red 111 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:41,479 Speaker 3: CD at a green CD and Alan Jackson's Drive for 112 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:45,080 Speaker 3: Daddy Gene like that record and every day on the 113 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:47,640 Speaker 3: way to school that was kind of our soundtrack. And 114 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:50,720 Speaker 3: as I got older, I remember being the Chris Daughtry record. 115 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:52,640 Speaker 3: But those are kind of like the three that really 116 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:54,480 Speaker 3: stand out in the memory. But you know, it's kind 117 00:05:54,520 --> 00:05:58,080 Speaker 3: of a little backwards, but country music I think definitely 118 00:05:58,080 --> 00:06:00,240 Speaker 3: came from my dad from a younger age. 119 00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:03,160 Speaker 1: That's so cool that you threw a little doctrine in there. 120 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:05,160 Speaker 1: I mean, oh, we listen all kinds of kinds. I 121 00:06:05,240 --> 00:06:07,640 Speaker 1: got to give him a little love. I haven't heard 122 00:06:07,640 --> 00:06:09,600 Speaker 1: his name in a while. I was refreshing to hear 123 00:06:09,640 --> 00:06:12,839 Speaker 1: that from you. Was there a particular moment in your life, 124 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:15,440 Speaker 1: just when you realize that music had the power to 125 00:06:15,720 --> 00:06:20,520 Speaker 1: heal people and literally transform your life? 126 00:06:20,920 --> 00:06:23,200 Speaker 3: You know, I think there's been moments before, but one 127 00:06:23,200 --> 00:06:26,520 Speaker 3: moment that comes to mind almost immediately where it kind 128 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:30,360 Speaker 3: of sank in is not honestly that long ago. It 129 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:32,960 Speaker 3: was a few years back. I was playing a porch 130 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:37,440 Speaker 3: fest up in Owensboro, Kentucky, and I have one of 131 00:06:37,120 --> 00:06:40,560 Speaker 3: my first songs on my record Such a Long Way 132 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:43,720 Speaker 3: is called Hope Such a Long Way, and I had 133 00:06:43,720 --> 00:06:45,760 Speaker 3: played that song and I think it might have been 134 00:06:45,800 --> 00:06:47,919 Speaker 3: the last song I've played in the set. So I 135 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:51,640 Speaker 3: wrapped up and somebody, this young woman came up to 136 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:57,039 Speaker 3: me just like tears. She's like, I didn't know I 137 00:06:57,080 --> 00:06:59,440 Speaker 3: needed to hear that song, but I needed to hear 138 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:03,400 Speaker 3: that song, you know, And it was like kind of 139 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:05,880 Speaker 3: gives me like spuffs think about it, just because it 140 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:09,640 Speaker 3: was like, Wow, this is not just for me, you know, 141 00:07:09,880 --> 00:07:12,239 Speaker 3: I think I'm I always say like I'm a steward 142 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:15,120 Speaker 3: of these songs, and like I'm just here to kind 143 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:17,880 Speaker 3: of be the voice of them and pass them along, 144 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:20,960 Speaker 3: and you know, they're not always my stories of like 145 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:27,280 Speaker 3: my personal experiences tip to toe, so finding people along 146 00:07:27,320 --> 00:07:29,680 Speaker 3: the way who really resonate with them, I was like, wow, 147 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:31,680 Speaker 3: I think maybe that was written for you, you know, 148 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:34,480 Speaker 3: as serendipit is that we're getting to meet in person. 149 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:38,560 Speaker 3: So I think that was kind of a big moment 150 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:40,200 Speaker 3: for me. That is the first thing that comes to 151 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:44,760 Speaker 3: mind is seeing her and she wasn't sad, but it 152 00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:50,120 Speaker 3: was just moved, you know, in a way that moved 153 00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:51,520 Speaker 3: me Yeah. 154 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:51,840 Speaker 2: She did. 155 00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:55,320 Speaker 1: You touched her and she wasn't even expecting it. That's 156 00:07:55,440 --> 00:07:56,000 Speaker 1: even more. 157 00:07:56,880 --> 00:07:58,640 Speaker 3: Oh, the song at least amazing. 158 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:03,200 Speaker 1: First of all, porch Fest you mentioned in that I 159 00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:05,800 Speaker 1: had to write it down. I had never heard of 160 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:08,560 Speaker 1: this before, but we have it here in the Northeast 161 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:11,200 Speaker 1: as well, because I've been invited the last couple of years. 162 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:13,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, it is the coolest thing ever. 163 00:08:13,520 --> 00:08:15,920 Speaker 1: So if anyone listening here is about a porch Fest 164 00:08:16,040 --> 00:08:18,920 Speaker 1: coming to a town near you, go, it is so fun. 165 00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:20,600 Speaker 2: Can you kind of explain what that's like? 166 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:26,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's so cool. My real experience has been in Owensboro, Kentucky, 167 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:29,800 Speaker 3: So shout out. And what's so cool is you kind 168 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:32,679 Speaker 3: of build I don't want to say rapport because it's 169 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:35,240 Speaker 3: not like a hoity toity thing, but like I played 170 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:40,120 Speaker 3: the first year on mister Floyd TAP's porch. The Tap 171 00:08:40,160 --> 00:08:41,880 Speaker 3: family was just so kind to me. And it's so 172 00:08:41,880 --> 00:08:45,199 Speaker 3: funny because they're sitting on their porch and then you've 173 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:47,520 Speaker 3: got people out in their yard and people passing by, 174 00:08:47,679 --> 00:08:50,520 Speaker 3: and you know, you look down the street. It's usually 175 00:08:50,520 --> 00:08:54,000 Speaker 3: like a historic street and people are just gathered at 176 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:56,760 Speaker 3: these different porches. Music is going on, it's really cool 177 00:08:57,280 --> 00:09:02,520 Speaker 3: and like listening to a bunch of radio stations. And 178 00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:04,839 Speaker 3: what was so cool is like I played the next 179 00:09:04,920 --> 00:09:07,520 Speaker 3: year and the Tap family had requested me to come 180 00:09:07,559 --> 00:09:10,360 Speaker 3: back to their porch, you know, so it was like, wow, 181 00:09:10,400 --> 00:09:15,199 Speaker 3: that is so cool, Like just this kind of familial 182 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:18,600 Speaker 3: esque bond that tends to come from those kinds of things, 183 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:21,240 Speaker 3: from being you know, just like a little town event that. 184 00:09:21,400 --> 00:09:24,640 Speaker 3: Some of them are huge. I would argue that Owensborough 185 00:09:24,760 --> 00:09:29,400 Speaker 3: is pretty sizable, but I've also played in like Hendersonville, Tennessee, 186 00:09:29,520 --> 00:09:31,840 Speaker 3: and they're all over. It's crazy. 187 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:35,360 Speaker 2: There are there's one in Blackrock, Connecticut. 188 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:39,439 Speaker 1: I keep hearing a lot about that, uh big, big, big, 189 00:09:39,520 --> 00:09:41,480 Speaker 1: So if you're ever in the Northeast, you should check 190 00:09:41,520 --> 00:09:41,880 Speaker 1: that out. 191 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:44,800 Speaker 3: All of them are free, so you know, what can 192 00:09:44,840 --> 00:09:47,400 Speaker 3: you ask for more of? Like free music and hanging 193 00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:49,559 Speaker 3: out in a town and a cool. 194 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:51,800 Speaker 2: On a historic street. It's very cool. 195 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:55,080 Speaker 1: It reminds me of radio station I used to work 196 00:09:55,120 --> 00:09:57,959 Speaker 1: for in Boston and every year we would do a 197 00:09:58,040 --> 00:10:01,360 Speaker 1: free concert for the listeners the city and it was 198 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:06,840 Speaker 1: two days of NonStop main stage, second stage. You know, 199 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:09,440 Speaker 1: it was amazing and it was all free. 200 00:10:09,840 --> 00:10:10,400 Speaker 3: That's awesome. 201 00:10:10,480 --> 00:10:13,640 Speaker 1: I don't think anyone does that anymore except Porchfest now. 202 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:16,160 Speaker 3: Man. Yeah, I don't know. And there's there's so much 203 00:10:16,160 --> 00:10:19,800 Speaker 3: going on in Nashville all the time, but not I 204 00:10:19,800 --> 00:10:22,160 Speaker 3: can't think of anything where they like shut the town 205 00:10:22,280 --> 00:10:24,600 Speaker 3: down or you know, sometimes there will be pop up 206 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:28,400 Speaker 3: concerts on Broadway and then everybody's like, uh, the traffic, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, 207 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:29,800 Speaker 3: you know, it's a given date. 208 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:30,160 Speaker 2: It is. 209 00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:33,600 Speaker 1: Can I get a little serious with you for a 210 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:36,040 Speaker 1: minute and ask you if you can recall a time 211 00:10:36,640 --> 00:10:39,920 Speaker 1: when music directly helped you through a difficult period. I 212 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:42,920 Speaker 1: know that you sort of picked up and left the 213 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:45,280 Speaker 1: west side of the country and moved all the way 214 00:10:45,320 --> 00:10:46,680 Speaker 1: east to Nashville. 215 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:48,079 Speaker 2: Did that have anything to do with it? 216 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:52,600 Speaker 3: Not in the sense of like the loss. I mean, 217 00:10:52,920 --> 00:10:55,679 Speaker 3: my dad passed away when I was nineteen from lung cancer, 218 00:10:56,480 --> 00:10:59,559 Speaker 3: and that was a pretty tumultuous time, just because from 219 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:02,440 Speaker 3: the time was diagnosed to the time we lost him 220 00:11:02,559 --> 00:11:06,360 Speaker 3: was about six months, so it was all pretty fast 221 00:11:07,280 --> 00:11:13,679 Speaker 3: and very very unexpected. So I wasn't in a sense 222 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:16,480 Speaker 3: I think I was, and I wasn't kind of running 223 00:11:16,520 --> 00:11:20,199 Speaker 3: away from that. I had always wanted to live in Nashville. 224 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:23,560 Speaker 3: My grandparents lived in Kentucky and we would go and 225 00:11:23,559 --> 00:11:25,480 Speaker 3: see them, and they're about two hours from Nashville. So 226 00:11:25,800 --> 00:11:27,600 Speaker 3: at first it was go to see the grandparents and 227 00:11:27,640 --> 00:11:30,319 Speaker 3: make a stop in Nashville, and then over the years 228 00:11:30,320 --> 00:11:32,680 Speaker 3: it was go to Nashville and then make sure to 229 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:35,640 Speaker 3: go see Grandma and Grandpa. And it's always with this 230 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:39,360 Speaker 3: building dream that music City was where I would I 231 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:42,439 Speaker 3: would end up. And God's on a strews like my 232 00:11:42,520 --> 00:11:46,520 Speaker 3: dad passing gave me like a bigger reason to go, 233 00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:49,680 Speaker 3: and honestly, like it was a bunch of doors opening 234 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:52,480 Speaker 3: at once. So if I got accepted into Belmont University 235 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:55,760 Speaker 3: maybe a year later, not even a year later, so 236 00:11:55,840 --> 00:11:57,959 Speaker 3: I had a reason to move as well to go 237 00:11:58,080 --> 00:12:01,640 Speaker 3: study songwriting there in Nashville. But as for music at 238 00:12:01,640 --> 00:12:04,560 Speaker 3: that time, I do remember, you know, being in the 239 00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:07,720 Speaker 3: hospital with him, and there was a few songs that 240 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:12,040 Speaker 3: I would just play on repeat. One was come Now 241 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:16,800 Speaker 3: found by King's Kaleidoscope. That version, Another one was Oh 242 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:20,200 Speaker 3: God by Citizens, and there was like a YouTube version 243 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:23,000 Speaker 3: I had found that was maybe not the recorded version. 244 00:12:23,520 --> 00:12:25,640 Speaker 3: So it's kind of like leaning leaning on my faith 245 00:12:25,679 --> 00:12:29,280 Speaker 3: a whole lot. And then the other one was Tomorrow 246 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:33,360 Speaker 3: Will Be Kinder by the Secret Sisters, just played like 247 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:36,560 Speaker 3: I remember one night being kind of on the last 248 00:12:36,640 --> 00:12:40,400 Speaker 3: nights and just playing those three songs like over and 249 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:44,160 Speaker 3: over and over in my headphones, stretch out on you know, 250 00:12:44,280 --> 00:12:47,720 Speaker 3: three chairs put together for a bed. Yeah, it was 251 00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:51,240 Speaker 3: those were probably the three songs that got me through 252 00:12:51,240 --> 00:12:53,840 Speaker 3: that most, especially Tomorrow Will Be Kinder. Like that song, 253 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:55,720 Speaker 3: I still will probably weep. 254 00:12:55,720 --> 00:12:56,000 Speaker 1: I don't. 255 00:12:56,040 --> 00:12:58,520 Speaker 3: I don't listen to it as much just because I 256 00:12:58,520 --> 00:13:01,960 Speaker 3: think it will get me choked up. But it's one 257 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:04,320 Speaker 3: of those songs that I think I needed, and I 258 00:13:04,360 --> 00:13:06,280 Speaker 3: think it's a good comfort song. 259 00:13:07,760 --> 00:13:10,120 Speaker 1: I hear you getting a little choked up now even 260 00:13:10,200 --> 00:13:13,800 Speaker 1: just recalling the story, and I just want to let 261 00:13:13,880 --> 00:13:17,120 Speaker 1: you know that the exact same thing happened to me 262 00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:21,480 Speaker 1: back in twenty eleven, six months from diagnosis, and I 263 00:13:21,520 --> 00:13:25,120 Speaker 1: sat with him like you, and it's hard not to. Yeah, 264 00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:28,440 Speaker 1: it's get that little feeling of you know, you know, 265 00:13:29,679 --> 00:13:33,960 Speaker 1: So I totally and I'm going to guess there's a 266 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:36,240 Speaker 1: lot of people listening right now that can relate to that. 267 00:13:36,520 --> 00:13:38,720 Speaker 2: So too many, Yeah, too many. 268 00:13:38,800 --> 00:13:40,520 Speaker 1: And it's one of the things that I don't think 269 00:13:40,520 --> 00:13:44,199 Speaker 1: that we're ever prepared for in life, especially when it's 270 00:13:44,200 --> 00:13:46,920 Speaker 1: a parent or a sibling you know very close. 271 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:49,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's hard, and it was. 272 00:13:49,880 --> 00:13:53,920 Speaker 3: It was pretty shocking, but you know, God is good 273 00:13:54,080 --> 00:13:56,000 Speaker 3: no matter what. And I don't know where people stand 274 00:13:56,040 --> 00:13:57,880 Speaker 3: on their faith, but this is where I stand. And 275 00:13:58,320 --> 00:13:58,920 Speaker 3: God is good. 276 00:13:59,160 --> 00:13:59,360 Speaker 2: Yep. 277 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:02,520 Speaker 1: And you have to and absolutely when you know that 278 00:14:02,600 --> 00:14:07,679 Speaker 1: there's something larger than us, there's sort of a comfort 279 00:14:08,080 --> 00:14:11,000 Speaker 1: level in that for whatever it is to you. So 280 00:14:11,800 --> 00:14:15,240 Speaker 1: I totally agree with you. Gosh, I didn't mean to 281 00:14:15,240 --> 00:14:16,080 Speaker 1: make you feel sorry. 282 00:14:17,200 --> 00:14:18,880 Speaker 2: I just want to lighten it up a little. 283 00:14:20,040 --> 00:14:26,320 Speaker 1: Let me ask you what role does vulnerability play in 284 00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:29,480 Speaker 1: your music, not just for yourself but for your fans? 285 00:14:29,640 --> 00:14:32,160 Speaker 1: And how how much do you have to be open? 286 00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:37,320 Speaker 3: I think I think there's a line. I mean, obviously 287 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:40,000 Speaker 3: you don't want to, you don't want to spill all 288 00:14:40,040 --> 00:14:43,120 Speaker 3: your you know, all your stuff in a song. But 289 00:14:43,360 --> 00:14:48,200 Speaker 3: I think I'm coming to find there's a balance in 290 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:52,760 Speaker 3: that if you keep it real. There's so many especially 291 00:14:52,800 --> 00:14:57,320 Speaker 3: with like budding technologies of AI and all this in 292 00:14:57,400 --> 00:15:00,880 Speaker 3: that where and Instagram and filters and just all of that, 293 00:15:00,920 --> 00:15:05,400 Speaker 3: where it's like you don't really know what's real real? 294 00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:06,080 Speaker 1: You know? 295 00:15:06,280 --> 00:15:10,120 Speaker 3: Anymore, it's getting harder and harder to tell. I think 296 00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:13,640 Speaker 3: if you are able to hone into maybe those little 297 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:18,480 Speaker 3: details or the harder moments, I think it's necessary. But 298 00:15:18,560 --> 00:15:20,840 Speaker 3: also I've kind of found, like in my past records, 299 00:15:21,360 --> 00:15:25,040 Speaker 3: those were pretty vulnerable, and I tried. My intention was 300 00:15:25,040 --> 00:15:28,280 Speaker 3: to like have those raw moments, but keep it abstract 301 00:15:28,400 --> 00:15:31,960 Speaker 3: enough that people could find their own meaning in those lyrics. Yeah, 302 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:36,920 Speaker 3: but sometimes you know, it can get lost too, and 303 00:15:36,960 --> 00:15:41,520 Speaker 3: that's fair. So I think there is definitely a line, 304 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:43,600 Speaker 3: but I don't necessarily know that I always know where 305 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:43,960 Speaker 3: it's at. 306 00:15:44,680 --> 00:15:47,840 Speaker 1: Does make that's totally fair and nor should you. I mean, really, 307 00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:52,520 Speaker 1: if that were the case, then everyone would write hit songs. Yeah, 308 00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:54,840 Speaker 1: everyone would know what everyone was thinking, and they would 309 00:15:54,840 --> 00:15:57,680 Speaker 1: be able to gear towards towards them. I think there's 310 00:15:57,680 --> 00:16:00,360 Speaker 1: something special and very scary at the same time time 311 00:16:00,440 --> 00:16:03,760 Speaker 1: when you're writing a song, for instance, like your own 312 00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:06,320 Speaker 1: personal struggles, when you're really honing in on something that 313 00:16:06,520 --> 00:16:10,000 Speaker 1: really is close to you and your emotions through those songwriting. 314 00:16:10,240 --> 00:16:14,400 Speaker 1: Through that songwriting, I should say that you have to 315 00:16:14,960 --> 00:16:17,880 Speaker 1: let it go out there into the world to be 316 00:16:18,040 --> 00:16:22,160 Speaker 1: judged and I would imagine that. Obviously, it's an amazing 317 00:16:22,200 --> 00:16:25,280 Speaker 1: feeling when you've like that woman you described how she 318 00:16:25,320 --> 00:16:27,480 Speaker 1: didn't even realize that you did this song, and it 319 00:16:27,600 --> 00:16:30,080 Speaker 1: spoke to her like it was a personal thing directed 320 00:16:30,160 --> 00:16:33,640 Speaker 1: right at her. There's something about letting it go. How 321 00:16:33,680 --> 00:16:37,600 Speaker 1: do you deal with just making something art and then 322 00:16:37,640 --> 00:16:41,560 Speaker 1: putting it out there to be judged. There's definitely a 323 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:43,880 Speaker 1: you have to have a strong will to be able 324 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:44,400 Speaker 1: to do that. 325 00:16:45,440 --> 00:16:48,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I think for a long time I 326 00:16:48,640 --> 00:16:51,680 Speaker 3: kind of have an interesting, you know history in the 327 00:16:51,720 --> 00:16:56,760 Speaker 3: sense that I went to school and got a degree 328 00:16:56,800 --> 00:17:00,880 Speaker 3: in songwriting and like learned how to commercial songwrite, but 329 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:03,800 Speaker 3: also I was, you know, I wanted to be this 330 00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:06,960 Speaker 3: abstract artist, and like two artists that I was really 331 00:17:06,960 --> 00:17:09,320 Speaker 3: listening to a lot of at the time was Jason 332 00:17:09,359 --> 00:17:13,359 Speaker 3: Isbel and Gregory Allen isakof who still love those artists. 333 00:17:13,400 --> 00:17:15,919 Speaker 3: I just saw Gregory Allen Iscoff and before last at 334 00:17:15,960 --> 00:17:17,840 Speaker 3: Red Rocks. You know, like he's still my favorite, but 335 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:22,200 Speaker 3: very you know, he's very abstract and poetic in his lyricism, 336 00:17:22,720 --> 00:17:27,200 Speaker 3: and Isabel has that ability somehow He's honed in a 337 00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:29,959 Speaker 3: way to make it conversational too, which I that was 338 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:33,760 Speaker 3: what I was wanting to do in my lyrics, so 339 00:17:33,800 --> 00:17:36,560 Speaker 3: I kind of focused more on that and not so 340 00:17:36,720 --> 00:17:39,720 Speaker 3: much of how it would be received, and it wasn't 341 00:17:39,800 --> 00:17:44,400 Speaker 3: until it was released. Listening back now, I'm like, yeah, 342 00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:46,040 Speaker 3: that was probably a little out there. That was that 343 00:17:46,040 --> 00:17:49,199 Speaker 3: probably didn't make sense to anybody. Because this is something 344 00:17:49,200 --> 00:17:52,360 Speaker 3: that is so a part of me songwriting, I don't 345 00:17:52,880 --> 00:17:57,440 Speaker 3: necessarily think how it's going to be received or judged 346 00:17:58,119 --> 00:18:01,680 Speaker 3: is at the forefront of my mind. It's mostly like, well, 347 00:18:02,040 --> 00:18:04,000 Speaker 3: I've been playing this song out a lot since I 348 00:18:04,040 --> 00:18:06,720 Speaker 3: wrote it, and I really like it, so it's going 349 00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:08,520 Speaker 3: to go on a record, and hey, it's kind of 350 00:18:08,560 --> 00:18:10,359 Speaker 3: in the same vein as this other song I've been 351 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:12,800 Speaker 3: working on in this one and this one, so let's 352 00:18:12,840 --> 00:18:14,879 Speaker 3: just put them all on one record and you know, 353 00:18:14,960 --> 00:18:17,960 Speaker 3: put that out there. It's not until you get to 354 00:18:18,119 --> 00:18:21,640 Speaker 3: like hiring the publicist or you know, kind of doing 355 00:18:21,680 --> 00:18:25,800 Speaker 3: all the things that you start to go, oh, I 356 00:18:25,840 --> 00:18:28,720 Speaker 3: hope people like this. I hope this doesn't flop. And 357 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:30,960 Speaker 3: at the same time, it's like, at the back of 358 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:32,879 Speaker 3: your mind you kind of have to remember, like, at 359 00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:35,400 Speaker 3: least you're doing it, you know, at least you're offering 360 00:18:35,440 --> 00:18:38,119 Speaker 3: people something to listen to. Granted there's a lot of 361 00:18:38,200 --> 00:18:41,720 Speaker 3: us out there doing that, but you know, here's here's 362 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:43,920 Speaker 3: how you saw the world in this moment, and here's 363 00:18:43,960 --> 00:18:45,760 Speaker 3: what you had to say about it. You know. 364 00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:50,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, definitely. Well, I mean it's very strong will 365 00:18:50,320 --> 00:18:51,840 Speaker 1: to be able to do that. Like I said, it's 366 00:18:52,680 --> 00:18:55,919 Speaker 1: like you said, when you get all the people involved. Yeah, 367 00:18:55,920 --> 00:18:58,960 Speaker 1: outside of the actual process of making the song, that's 368 00:18:58,960 --> 00:19:01,280 Speaker 1: where things start to get questionable and you're like, wait 369 00:19:01,320 --> 00:19:03,920 Speaker 1: a minute, these people are in control of my image 370 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:04,560 Speaker 1: and my life. 371 00:19:04,600 --> 00:19:08,320 Speaker 3: And yeah, we'll be right back with more of the 372 00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:09,800 Speaker 3: Music Save Me Podcast. 373 00:19:14,840 --> 00:19:17,600 Speaker 2: Welcome back to the Music Saved Me Podcast. 374 00:19:19,160 --> 00:19:21,679 Speaker 1: Are there any themes or topics that you find yourself 375 00:19:21,680 --> 00:19:24,119 Speaker 1: sort of repeatedly drawn to in terms of writing? 376 00:19:24,920 --> 00:19:29,760 Speaker 3: Absolutely, Hope is a big one. Hope was a common 377 00:19:29,800 --> 00:19:34,200 Speaker 3: thread in my first record, Silver Linings, which I think 378 00:19:34,280 --> 00:19:37,639 Speaker 3: is essentially synonymous in my second record, Let There Be 379 00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:43,000 Speaker 3: No Despair of like my goal of writing music. Generally speaking, 380 00:19:43,080 --> 00:19:45,240 Speaker 3: I've tried to find a balance in that too, But 381 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:47,959 Speaker 3: like I've kind of always leaned into like, if I'm 382 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:49,680 Speaker 3: gonna punch you in the gut, I should give you 383 00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:53,159 Speaker 3: a hug afterwards, and you know, write a gut puncher 384 00:19:53,160 --> 00:19:55,360 Speaker 3: of a song, but also like, don't make it such 385 00:19:55,400 --> 00:19:59,439 Speaker 3: a downer that there's no nothing to look forward to 386 00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:02,399 Speaker 3: at the end. And even with the story songs on 387 00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:07,200 Speaker 3: this new record, I've tried to include that thematically, because 388 00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:09,640 Speaker 3: what is life if you don't have something to look 389 00:20:09,680 --> 00:20:12,720 Speaker 3: forward to and hope? You know, so even in the bad, 390 00:20:12,760 --> 00:20:15,320 Speaker 3: there's gonna be good. And of something I've taken to 391 00:20:15,359 --> 00:20:18,439 Speaker 3: saying is like I'm really a big fan of like 392 00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:21,320 Speaker 3: the theme of silver linings. You know, it's like you're 393 00:20:21,359 --> 00:20:24,479 Speaker 3: gonna have the great clouds, but the sun is up 394 00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:26,399 Speaker 3: there somewhere, but you gotta work for it, you know, 395 00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:28,560 Speaker 3: and you got to you gotta look for it. So 396 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:31,840 Speaker 3: I would say those are one to two themes that 397 00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:34,880 Speaker 3: I keep coming back on repeatedly, and we'll probably keep 398 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:35,480 Speaker 3: coming back on. 399 00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:38,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, please do, because I don't think you can do 400 00:20:38,800 --> 00:20:42,640 Speaker 1: that too much. I think the more that you let 401 00:20:42,640 --> 00:20:46,720 Speaker 1: people know through music or even just words, that obstacles 402 00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:50,280 Speaker 1: are opportunities in disguise. 403 00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:52,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, you just you. 404 00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:56,080 Speaker 1: Have to look for those silver linings because they'll explain everything. 405 00:20:56,960 --> 00:20:59,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, and even if you find you know, one word 406 00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:02,080 Speaker 3: I've been kind of coming back to is serendipitous, which 407 00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:05,280 Speaker 3: I really love. Is like, even if you're going through 408 00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:08,440 Speaker 3: like this tough time and everything seems like it's going 409 00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:10,840 Speaker 3: to pot you know, you come out of it on 410 00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:13,399 Speaker 3: the other end and you go, I needed that, Like 411 00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:17,320 Speaker 3: I had a good takeaway from that experience, even if 412 00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:19,440 Speaker 3: it's hard to find on the other end, like you're 413 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:21,640 Speaker 3: gonna find it eventually, even if it's years down the road, 414 00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:24,359 Speaker 3: and you know, that's life, that's it's all learning. 415 00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:29,320 Speaker 1: So well, it's really it's an amazing threefold you know. 416 00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:32,639 Speaker 1: It helps you, I'm guessing when you're writing, and helps 417 00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:37,200 Speaker 1: people listening to have hope, and it's just a good 418 00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:40,600 Speaker 1: thing to put out there in general doing good because 419 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:43,159 Speaker 1: then you know, when you lay down at night and 420 00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:45,680 Speaker 1: put your head on the pillow, you know that you've 421 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:47,520 Speaker 1: done good and you've done the best you can and 422 00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:49,720 Speaker 1: you've put good things out into the universe. 423 00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:54,119 Speaker 3: And yeah, that's all I want. And I'm finding a 424 00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:56,840 Speaker 3: new strength in my faith too, And so one thing 425 00:21:56,840 --> 00:21:59,800 Speaker 3: I keep, you know, a little prayer, and the church 426 00:21:59,840 --> 00:22:01,959 Speaker 3: I work at has kind of taught me this is, 427 00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:04,160 Speaker 3: you know, Lord, when they see me let them see 428 00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:09,120 Speaker 3: you and that's all I want. And everything else aside 429 00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:12,960 Speaker 3: the social media, the image, the branding, this that and 430 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:16,120 Speaker 3: the other, like at the heart of everything, let there 431 00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:21,600 Speaker 3: be music that speaks well to life. So, like I said, 432 00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:24,159 Speaker 3: it's all learning. We're not perfect, but you know we're 433 00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:25,399 Speaker 3: given it our best. College go. 434 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:28,360 Speaker 2: Yes, but I think that's just such a beautiful sentiment. 435 00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:32,800 Speaker 1: How does your connection with fans influence your creative direction? 436 00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:35,600 Speaker 1: I mean, obviously you want to give them hope and 437 00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:40,360 Speaker 1: help them. Is there any influence on your writing once 438 00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:43,920 Speaker 1: you meet people talk to them or yes? 439 00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:46,479 Speaker 3: And no. I mean a lot of my songs are 440 00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:51,679 Speaker 3: written they're kind of amalgamations of different conversations I've had 441 00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:56,239 Speaker 3: or things that happen in my day. So yes, in 442 00:22:56,280 --> 00:22:58,760 Speaker 3: the sense that you know, we could be talking, like 443 00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:02,560 Speaker 3: chatting about something I've got, for instance, some really awesome 444 00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:04,920 Speaker 3: fans over in the Netherlands who have just been so 445 00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:07,879 Speaker 3: supportive since record one, and you know, maybe it's a 446 00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:10,359 Speaker 3: conversation I had with them, or a sentiment from a 447 00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:13,680 Speaker 3: conversation that you know, it's like, yeah, let's kind of 448 00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:17,679 Speaker 3: lean into that. But so often songs for me, they 449 00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:20,159 Speaker 3: kind of tend to pop out of nowhere. You know, 450 00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:23,600 Speaker 3: I'll be thinking about something or thoughts driving. I have 451 00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:26,000 Speaker 3: a lot of driving thoughts, and so the songs will 452 00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:28,520 Speaker 3: kind of start from there and then it's almost like 453 00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:31,560 Speaker 3: it's this something else takes over and you just start 454 00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:34,119 Speaker 3: thinking of rhymes, and without getting too into the weeds 455 00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:36,199 Speaker 3: of it, you know, it's like, next thing, you know, 456 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:38,440 Speaker 3: you're like, what, we have something here, you know, let's 457 00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:40,880 Speaker 3: kind of sass this out and figure out what we're 458 00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:43,959 Speaker 3: talking about. And then you can find on the review 459 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:46,359 Speaker 3: a little hints of like, oh, yeah, we were just 460 00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:47,520 Speaker 3: talking about that the other day. 461 00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:52,800 Speaker 1: So yes, yes, Except nowadays it's a little hard because 462 00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:54,960 Speaker 1: we have the AI, which you think is like reading 463 00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:56,760 Speaker 1: your mind or something. Because you have a thought and 464 00:23:56,840 --> 00:24:00,240 Speaker 1: next thing you know, someone calls you or you say 465 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:01,879 Speaker 1: a name of a friend, and next thing you know, 466 00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:04,359 Speaker 1: you get a text from someone. It's it's a really 467 00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:07,400 Speaker 1: it's getting more difficult to separate. 468 00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:11,399 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's becoming a slippery slope, especially in the creative 469 00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:15,280 Speaker 3: world of what's acceptable and what's not. Yeah, I don't 470 00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:17,959 Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know where I stand on it. 471 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:20,400 Speaker 3: I know a lot of people are like staunchly against it. 472 00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:25,600 Speaker 3: I don't think you should use it personally. This is soapbox, 473 00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:28,200 Speaker 3: but like, you know, write your own lyrics that kind 474 00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:31,520 Speaker 3: of thing if you're not a musician, you know, instrumentally, 475 00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:33,080 Speaker 3: like if you need it to help you kind of 476 00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:36,119 Speaker 3: create a track to get your point across. Okay, But 477 00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:40,200 Speaker 3: I have this fear that I'm going to start using 478 00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:43,760 Speaker 3: it so much for just like little things, that I'm 479 00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:47,320 Speaker 3: going to forget how to think critically for myself. So 480 00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:50,840 Speaker 3: we're trying to, you know, find a balance in that, 481 00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:52,679 Speaker 3: and I'll use it more as like a search engine 482 00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:54,840 Speaker 3: these days. But it's funny because I just saw a 483 00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:58,199 Speaker 3: thing recently where like one of the AI guys was like, 484 00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:00,600 Speaker 3: people rely on this a little too much, like it's 485 00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:03,080 Speaker 3: gonna be wrong, and it's it's gonna lie to you 486 00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:04,840 Speaker 3: or you know this, that and the other. 487 00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:08,959 Speaker 1: So, yeah, it's not Saturday Morning cartoons anymore that your 488 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:11,920 Speaker 1: parents go, you know, that's not real, right, they're cartoons. 489 00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:14,760 Speaker 2: You're like, what the hell? Of course, I know it's 490 00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:16,320 Speaker 2: a car, but this is a little uh. 491 00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:19,879 Speaker 3: Yeah, And it's crazy how fast it's getting there, you know, 492 00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:22,840 Speaker 3: like we've seen movies on this and stuff. And here 493 00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:25,760 Speaker 3: it is kind of coming to fruition or like we're 494 00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:27,920 Speaker 3: okay with it. I'm like, okay, yeah. 495 00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:30,320 Speaker 1: Well you know what though, it's why we're gonna need 496 00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:34,560 Speaker 1: artists like yourself more than ever to uh, because there's 497 00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:37,760 Speaker 1: gonna be a whole new set of situations that people 498 00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:40,600 Speaker 1: are going to relate to that we're gonna that you're 499 00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:41,480 Speaker 1: gonna be singing about. 500 00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:43,080 Speaker 2: I predict this and I'm. 501 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:47,199 Speaker 3: Not Ai, You're We'll see, We're just gonna see, that's all. 502 00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:49,479 Speaker 3: It's like a day by day and you know, I 503 00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:52,240 Speaker 3: think at the end of the day, keep doing you. 504 00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:54,520 Speaker 3: You know, That's what I'm gonna do, is keep doing 505 00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:57,480 Speaker 3: me and you know, trying to be happy along the way. 506 00:25:57,720 --> 00:25:57,920 Speaker 1: Yeah. 507 00:25:57,960 --> 00:25:59,399 Speaker 2: It's good advice, it really is. 508 00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:01,000 Speaker 1: And I know a lot of people are thinking about 509 00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:03,360 Speaker 1: it these days, so you know, it's good to hear 510 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:07,359 Speaker 1: from someone who is in the business talking about their thoughts. 511 00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:11,200 Speaker 1: And I agree with you one hundred percent. What advice 512 00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:13,320 Speaker 1: would you give to others who may be struggling though 513 00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:16,960 Speaker 1: with say mental health and issues that are looking to 514 00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:19,160 Speaker 1: hope through creativity. 515 00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:20,680 Speaker 2: What kind of advice would you give? 516 00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:25,000 Speaker 3: I think this is going to be a long ended response, 517 00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:28,439 Speaker 3: so bear with me. I think a lot of my 518 00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:35,760 Speaker 3: personal mental exhaustion anxiety at XYZ has come from the 519 00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:40,280 Speaker 3: social aspect and the pressure and the reliance put on that, 520 00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:43,040 Speaker 3: you know. I think it's so wonderful that we have 521 00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:47,560 Speaker 3: the opportunity to connect with people from all over the 522 00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:50,199 Speaker 3: world and get to know the fact that there are 523 00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:52,280 Speaker 3: people in the Netherlands who like my music is insane 524 00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:57,320 Speaker 3: to me. But I think the emphasis being placed on 525 00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:04,119 Speaker 3: the importance of those numbers and streams and view counts 526 00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:09,040 Speaker 3: in relation to the caliber of art that you're creating 527 00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:13,120 Speaker 3: and putting out there is becoming a little bit off 528 00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:16,679 Speaker 3: kilter in my personal opinion. You know, you see all 529 00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:20,560 Speaker 3: these these videos, real or not, of like people getting 530 00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:22,680 Speaker 3: turned down by record labels on the phone because they 531 00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:25,640 Speaker 3: need at least ten thousand followers, or I just saw 532 00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:28,760 Speaker 3: a video. I joked to my mom. I was like, well, 533 00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:30,480 Speaker 3: I guess I'm not getting signed by a booking agent 534 00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:33,240 Speaker 3: because they want this, you know. And it's like, well, 535 00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:36,920 Speaker 3: I'm playing breweries and living my best life, you know, this, 536 00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:38,720 Speaker 3: that and the other kind of keeping it low key? 537 00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:42,840 Speaker 3: Does that impact the kind of music I'm creating. I 538 00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:47,000 Speaker 3: don't think so but because of that, it seems to 539 00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:51,080 Speaker 3: be creating a roadblock for me to advance in the industry. 540 00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:54,800 Speaker 3: And so that is a stressor you know, like that 541 00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:57,080 Speaker 3: will cause me anxiety. And I go back and forth 542 00:27:57,080 --> 00:27:59,320 Speaker 3: of just like trying to find that balance if I 543 00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:01,320 Speaker 3: want to move up in the world and I want 544 00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:04,040 Speaker 3: to advance and grow and share my music with more 545 00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:07,520 Speaker 3: and more people, but at the rate I'm going, man, 546 00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:10,560 Speaker 3: how is the industry going to care? And I just think, 547 00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:13,640 Speaker 3: and one thing I had been told over and over 548 00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:17,760 Speaker 3: again is like a my mom again, my mom. She's like, 549 00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:19,960 Speaker 3: who made up all these rules? Who says you can't 550 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:22,080 Speaker 3: do this, this, and this. So I'm like, well, it's 551 00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:24,840 Speaker 3: best practice. And she's like, well, that's silly. You know, 552 00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:28,480 Speaker 3: figure out for yourself. And she has always said since college, 553 00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:31,480 Speaker 3: filter in what you need and filter out what you don't. 554 00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:35,600 Speaker 3: And I try really really hard, and I have to 555 00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:41,160 Speaker 3: work really really hard to remember that because it is 556 00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:43,840 Speaker 3: so easy to get caught up and like, oh, well, 557 00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:46,080 Speaker 3: I only have this amount of followers, I only have 558 00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:49,480 Speaker 3: this many you know, monthly listeners on Spotify and blah 559 00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:52,320 Speaker 3: blah blah blah blah blah blah and it's like okay, 560 00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:55,320 Speaker 3: But at the end of the day, like those three thousand, 561 00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:58,040 Speaker 3: you know, thirty two hundred people who follow you on Instagram, 562 00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:01,760 Speaker 3: they're real people. They are people you have met along 563 00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:04,400 Speaker 3: the way from playing live music. You didn't pay for them. 564 00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:07,080 Speaker 3: They are honest to goodness, salt of the earth, people 565 00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:10,240 Speaker 3: who have jumped on your bandwagon and like what you do. 566 00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:14,800 Speaker 3: And if that doesn't mean anything, then that's a disrespect 567 00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:19,000 Speaker 3: to them. So while you may not be where you 568 00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:22,120 Speaker 3: want to be in the world, hey, it's probably not 569 00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:24,000 Speaker 3: where you're going to be forever, you know, even though 570 00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:27,320 Speaker 3: it feels like it in the moment. B you just 571 00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:30,400 Speaker 3: gotta do what makes you happy. And that's something I 572 00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:33,240 Speaker 3: struggled with for a long time over the last few years, 573 00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:36,760 Speaker 3: since I was just not happy creating music. I was 574 00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:38,400 Speaker 3: doing it because I wanted to move up in the 575 00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:40,400 Speaker 3: industry and I felt like no one was taking you 576 00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:42,920 Speaker 3: seriously in the industry, and it was just like this 577 00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:46,280 Speaker 3: toilet bowl of nonsense. You just got to find a 578 00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:49,160 Speaker 3: way to be happy in it. And at the end 579 00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:53,760 Speaker 3: of the day, how you create music and how you 580 00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:58,520 Speaker 3: present it online like they're connected. But if you're thinking 581 00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:02,760 Speaker 3: about how you're gonna fill first. As to you know, 582 00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:05,720 Speaker 3: what you're gonna write, I don't know. I just think 583 00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:07,520 Speaker 3: there has to be a balance, and I think we 584 00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:11,000 Speaker 3: have to remember that the Internet could go out tomorrow. 585 00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:13,960 Speaker 3: Probably won't, but it could. And at the end of 586 00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:17,720 Speaker 3: the day, you're still a real human making music and 587 00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:22,240 Speaker 3: people need music in their lives, you know, So do 588 00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:24,880 Speaker 3: with that what you will, But there has to be 589 00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:25,760 Speaker 3: a balance in there. 590 00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:30,600 Speaker 1: I think it's incredible advice, and I had no idea 591 00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:33,240 Speaker 1: there was a threshold to be represented. 592 00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:34,680 Speaker 2: I mean, it's gone that. 593 00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:37,640 Speaker 3: Far, and I'm sure somebody can clap back and go, well, 594 00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:41,080 Speaker 3: that's not true, that's not true. Okay, great. You know 595 00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:46,120 Speaker 3: I'm looking to play, you know, listening rooms and theaters. 596 00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:48,600 Speaker 3: Nothing wrong with the breweries. I'm bland, but if y'all 597 00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:50,800 Speaker 3: want to help me out there, that'd be great. Ticket 598 00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:53,920 Speaker 3: sales stressed me out as an artist of this level 599 00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:56,120 Speaker 3: where it's like playing a brewery, Like I know, I 600 00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:59,720 Speaker 3: can meet honest to goodness people and share music with 601 00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:02,560 Speaker 3: them and they're not getting super riled up and drunk. 602 00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:05,800 Speaker 3: And I think breweries are like a sweet spot for 603 00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:09,600 Speaker 3: artists to share their craft. And yeah, I'd love to 604 00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:12,840 Speaker 3: play like theaters and auditoriums one day. That's kind of 605 00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:15,680 Speaker 3: my goal. There's some days it feels really far away, 606 00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:18,520 Speaker 3: and that's okay. You know, it's all good no matter what. 607 00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:22,480 Speaker 1: You're still smiling, which says a lot. I mean, that's 608 00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:25,520 Speaker 1: a whole other mindfield that was never there before that 609 00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:25,920 Speaker 1: you have. 610 00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:26,840 Speaker 2: To now deal with. 611 00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:31,000 Speaker 1: And that's just another part of that toilet bowl that 612 00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:32,760 Speaker 1: you which I. 613 00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:36,120 Speaker 3: Love the toilabowl nonsense, Yeah it is. 614 00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:37,640 Speaker 1: Which is why I stay far away from it as 615 00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:41,160 Speaker 1: much as possible. Thank you for that advice. It's really 616 00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:43,640 Speaker 1: good advice. And how do you hope that your music 617 00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:46,280 Speaker 1: is going to continue to be a source of light 618 00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:47,680 Speaker 1: and healing for people? 619 00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:50,760 Speaker 3: You know? For me, I just want to write songs 620 00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:54,160 Speaker 3: that and I hope people will understand, like I just 621 00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:56,840 Speaker 3: want to be real, a phrase I've said for a 622 00:31:56,840 --> 00:32:00,440 Speaker 3: long time is analog in a digital world. And I 623 00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:03,320 Speaker 3: just want people to know that, you know, for all 624 00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:06,600 Speaker 3: of the putting on airs, if you will, that comes 625 00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:10,480 Speaker 3: with this industry, there are honest, to goodness people out there. 626 00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:12,640 Speaker 3: Well I don't want to fluff myself up, but you know, 627 00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:15,240 Speaker 3: just honest people who put their pants on the same 628 00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:17,680 Speaker 3: way and aren't shy to tell you that they do. 629 00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:20,280 Speaker 3: And you know, we're out here, we're making music, we 630 00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:22,680 Speaker 3: have stuff to say. We watch the world going on 631 00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:25,120 Speaker 3: around us if we listen, and we write it down, 632 00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:27,760 Speaker 3: and you know, we sing about it, and we have 633 00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:31,680 Speaker 3: stories to tell, even if they're not my exact story 634 00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:33,760 Speaker 3: from start to finish of like this happened to me 635 00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:37,240 Speaker 3: last Tuesday. I think that's really important because there's so 636 00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:43,600 Speaker 3: much show to the business that sometimes you wonder is like, man, 637 00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:47,600 Speaker 3: is there room for artists like me who aren't flashy, 638 00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:53,160 Speaker 3: aren't trying to make headlines with something outrageous, And sometimes 639 00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:55,560 Speaker 3: it feels like no. But I just want people to know, like, 640 00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:57,840 Speaker 3: we're out here and we're making music and we have 641 00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:01,640 Speaker 3: stuff to share with you. And if we can get 642 00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:04,440 Speaker 3: everyone back to a culture of where we're willing to 643 00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:08,440 Speaker 3: slow down just a little bit, I think we can 644 00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:11,480 Speaker 3: find ourselves in a really good spot in a lot 645 00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:17,360 Speaker 3: of ways, mentally, physically, emotionally. I think we all just 646 00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:21,400 Speaker 3: need to slow down because the industry, the world, like 647 00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:25,200 Speaker 3: everything is fast, fast, fast, you know, and now it's like, well, 648 00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:27,760 Speaker 3: if you don't hook people in three seconds with your 649 00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:31,120 Speaker 3: real like you've lost them. They're gonna scroll about like 650 00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:36,200 Speaker 3: really three seconds. But it's insane. So I just want 651 00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:39,720 Speaker 3: people to know, like it's okay to slow down. I'm 652 00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:41,959 Speaker 3: trying to slow down to you know. I'm not perfect 653 00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:44,640 Speaker 3: and I get caught up in it as well, but yeah, 654 00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:46,760 Speaker 3: there's we got to make room for that. We're going 655 00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:49,760 Speaker 3: to be so much happier and fulfilled as a society. 656 00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:53,400 Speaker 3: I think if we just find that balance a little 657 00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:54,000 Speaker 3: bit more. 658 00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:56,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you're right, and I think it's coming. 659 00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:59,760 Speaker 1: I mean, I did hear recently something about schools now 660 00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:03,240 Speaker 1: start to realize, Gee, you think maybe there shouldn't be 661 00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:07,680 Speaker 1: phones distracting people so they can learn things. And the 662 00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:10,080 Speaker 1: kids are loving it, you know, they're finding after a 663 00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:12,520 Speaker 1: few days that all the kids are like, wow, we're 664 00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:14,960 Speaker 1: talking to our friends again instead of these silent hallways, 665 00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:17,840 Speaker 1: which would blow our minds if we walk down them today. 666 00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:20,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, and I or like the kids who are going 667 00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:23,279 Speaker 3: through withdrawals of like I need my phone, I need 668 00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:26,800 Speaker 3: my phone. Yeah, what a place you know somewhere along 669 00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:30,759 Speaker 3: the way, the collective we has let that happen. And 670 00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:32,759 Speaker 3: it's the same with the industry. We've let it get 671 00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:35,360 Speaker 3: to this point, so we can we have just as 672 00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:38,120 Speaker 3: much power to let it get back to the other point, 673 00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:40,320 Speaker 3: you know. So it's all in how we choose to 674 00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:41,080 Speaker 3: wield that power. 675 00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:43,759 Speaker 1: Yes, it's true. And when you have it, you do 676 00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:47,400 Speaker 1: have a responsibility. And there's nothing worse than someone who 677 00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:51,600 Speaker 1: has that responsibility witnessing those others that have that responsibility 678 00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:52,360 Speaker 1: and squandering it. 679 00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:56,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, there's nothing worse than Yeah. 680 00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:58,880 Speaker 1: Can you tell me what you think it is about 681 00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:00,400 Speaker 1: music that is so healing? 682 00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:02,799 Speaker 2: Is it the words? Is it the melody? Is it 683 00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:03,440 Speaker 2: the person? 684 00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:08,200 Speaker 3: I think it can be everything and only one thing, 685 00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:10,400 Speaker 3: you know, all of those things and one thing. So 686 00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:14,879 Speaker 3: certain songs that just like strike me to my core. 687 00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:18,520 Speaker 3: I'm gonna go back to my favorite artist, Gregory allen 688 00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:22,879 Speaker 3: Isakov who his whole record Evening Machines Shout Out. It's 689 00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:26,200 Speaker 3: one of the best records I've ever heard in my life. Sonically, 690 00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:30,840 Speaker 3: it's so well done. His voice is stumming, it's just 691 00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:35,279 Speaker 3: velvet coming out of his mouth, and his words it's 692 00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:38,120 Speaker 3: like sometimes they are words that they're like I said, 693 00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:41,680 Speaker 3: they're kind of abstract, they're super poetic. But you'll hone 694 00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:45,040 Speaker 3: in on one line and you're like, Wow, I think 695 00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:47,319 Speaker 3: it's I don't think it's one thing. I think it's 696 00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:50,359 Speaker 3: all the things. And it's just different. Songs have that 697 00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:54,160 Speaker 3: ability to strike you in different ways. So it could 698 00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:57,080 Speaker 3: be the singer, it could be the line in the song, 699 00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:00,840 Speaker 3: or the story of the song itself, or or just 700 00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:04,000 Speaker 3: the way the music came across. Like if you know, 701 00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:06,040 Speaker 3: as long as it's giving you goosebumps, it's good. 702 00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:08,239 Speaker 2: That is so true. 703 00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:12,359 Speaker 1: All right, Well, I want to keep you for another hour, 704 00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:14,399 Speaker 1: but I know that you are on a press tour. 705 00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:16,080 Speaker 1: First I want to give a shout out to your 706 00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:18,359 Speaker 1: people because it brought you here. 707 00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:20,399 Speaker 2: Yes, so you're doing something right. 708 00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:24,320 Speaker 3: Oh man, you know, can I tell you a funny story? Yes? Please, 709 00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:26,799 Speaker 3: a real world story. So I have a day job. 710 00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:29,640 Speaker 3: I'm a barista and when i'm not you know, I've 711 00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:31,319 Speaker 3: toured more this year than I ever have in my 712 00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:34,920 Speaker 3: entire life, and I've loved it. But one thing I 713 00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:37,760 Speaker 3: do love about being a barista and where I work 714 00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:41,000 Speaker 3: is that I get to know our regulars who come 715 00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:45,439 Speaker 3: in and so shout out to Mike with milestone. Mike 716 00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:47,439 Speaker 3: would come in and become a regular and we start 717 00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:49,600 Speaker 3: chatting and I'm like, finally, you know, what do you 718 00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:51,719 Speaker 3: do for work? Oh, I'm in the music industry, and 719 00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:55,720 Speaker 3: oh what does that mean? You know? And he would 720 00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:58,320 Speaker 3: tell me and so we kind of like started striking 721 00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:01,960 Speaker 3: up these conversations and like building a relationship you know, 722 00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:04,920 Speaker 3: through that, And finally I was just like, hey, I'm 723 00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:07,440 Speaker 3: getting ready to put out this new record, Like, just 724 00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:09,120 Speaker 3: listen to it. Let me know what you think. If 725 00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:11,480 Speaker 3: it's something you guys, I'll be interested in, you know, 726 00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:14,600 Speaker 3: never with any intention of Like I used to say 727 00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:16,279 Speaker 3: this when I worked at a record label too, like 728 00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:17,839 Speaker 3: I'm not here to like sneak in a back door. 729 00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:20,359 Speaker 3: I just you know, if we can, if I can 730 00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:22,160 Speaker 3: share some music with you and you like it great, 731 00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:24,960 Speaker 3: you know. And he ended up liking it and wanting 732 00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:28,440 Speaker 3: to work together, and you know, praise God because that 733 00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:30,440 Speaker 3: would have never come if I didn't have my day job. 734 00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:32,440 Speaker 3: And I get down on having a day job sometimes, 735 00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:33,799 Speaker 3: so it's all like cyclicult. 736 00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:35,600 Speaker 2: Let's say I have a day job too. 737 00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:38,680 Speaker 1: I do voice work on the side and anything else 738 00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:42,560 Speaker 1: that someone needs help with, even if it's not in 739 00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:46,120 Speaker 1: the entertainment industry. So I'm there's no doubt I love 740 00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:47,839 Speaker 1: it that you have a side hustle, and now it 741 00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:50,240 Speaker 1: also explains your energy level. 742 00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:52,480 Speaker 2: Something has to do with maybe coffee. 743 00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:55,400 Speaker 3: You know, I've only had like three quarters of a 744 00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:58,319 Speaker 3: cup this morning, so we're not more afterwards. But yeah, 745 00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:00,600 Speaker 3: what's funny is one of the records, or one of 746 00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:02,520 Speaker 3: the songs on my new record coming out, is called 747 00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:07,719 Speaker 3: above Ground, and that stemmed from again working the coffee job. 748 00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:09,920 Speaker 3: And I usually work the opening ship, so I'm there 749 00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:13,640 Speaker 3: at six We open at six point thirty and some 750 00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:16,839 Speaker 3: of our first customers are like older men who come 751 00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:20,919 Speaker 3: in like doing Bible studies, and you get like two 752 00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:23,319 Speaker 3: sides of a coin with them, is like some of 753 00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:26,759 Speaker 3: them are chipper and excited for the day, and some 754 00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:29,880 Speaker 3: of them are not awake yet. Yeah, I'm I always 755 00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:31,960 Speaker 3: tell people like I'm two cups in by then two 756 00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:34,560 Speaker 3: and a half cups deep of coffee, like I'm ready 757 00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:37,000 Speaker 3: to go. And then you go, hey, sir, how's it going, 758 00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:42,040 Speaker 3: And you get this really gruff like, well, I'm above ground. 759 00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:45,440 Speaker 3: You know, It's like okay, great. 760 00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:47,600 Speaker 2: That's so hey. 761 00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:49,560 Speaker 1: I would tell you I worked at Dunkin Donuts when 762 00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:52,920 Speaker 1: I was going to high school, so I know exactly 763 00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:56,200 Speaker 1: what you're talking about, because you know, I would get 764 00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:58,160 Speaker 1: stuff thrown at me, you know, like what are you 765 00:38:58,200 --> 00:38:58,680 Speaker 1: so happy? 766 00:38:58,719 --> 00:38:59,600 Speaker 2: What's going on with? 767 00:38:59,640 --> 00:38:59,840 Speaker 3: You know? 768 00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:01,879 Speaker 2: And then the cup of coffee and then they turn 769 00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:02,560 Speaker 2: into a human. 770 00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:06,480 Speaker 3: Let me be honest. When I rolled up to shout 771 00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:09,359 Speaker 3: out to City Brew here in Bozeman, when I rolled 772 00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:14,040 Speaker 3: up to City Brew, I was like glasses on. Pj's on. 773 00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:16,799 Speaker 3: I was like, I need a bl blah blah blah plea. 774 00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:18,680 Speaker 3: Is that like not a weight at all? 775 00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:20,520 Speaker 2: BedHead? Good? Bed heead going on? 776 00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:21,200 Speaker 3: Yeah? 777 00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:24,799 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Oh my god, Jess, It's been such a 778 00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:28,760 Speaker 1: pleasure chatting with you. I have two quick, rapid fire 779 00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:31,759 Speaker 1: questions for you. What song do you put on when 780 00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:34,279 Speaker 1: you need to shift your mood? And I suspect I 781 00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:37,120 Speaker 1: may know this because you mentioned Gregory a couple of times, 782 00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:40,360 Speaker 1: But if there's anyone else that pops up to your mind. 783 00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:44,560 Speaker 3: Who I'm going to throw a curveball Don Williams. I 784 00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:47,000 Speaker 3: love Don Williams version of I'm Just a Country Boy, 785 00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:50,240 Speaker 3: But any Don Williams song will turn my mood right around. 786 00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:53,360 Speaker 3: I love Don Williams so much awesome. 787 00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:57,480 Speaker 1: And if your life were a soundtrack, oh god, what 788 00:39:57,520 --> 00:39:59,000 Speaker 1: would be the title track. 789 00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:02,600 Speaker 4: Oh this sou's a hard one and I'm getting nervous 790 00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:05,440 Speaker 4: because it's rapid fire. Okay, sorry, if it we like 791 00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:08,440 Speaker 4: this sound tract, just try it. You know, at the 792 00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:09,799 Speaker 4: end of the day, you just got to try it, 793 00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:15,520 Speaker 4: so we'll say, just try it and parentheses. Don't be scared. Yeah, 794 00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:16,640 Speaker 4: don't be scared. 795 00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:17,000 Speaker 3: Just try. 796 00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:18,440 Speaker 2: I love it. 797 00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:23,680 Speaker 1: That's great. It's a perfect, perfect answer and a perfect 798 00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:27,960 Speaker 1: ending to what I considered to be a perfect podcast, 799 00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:30,640 Speaker 1: just because you're just amazing and it was wonderful to 800 00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:33,240 Speaker 1: get to share forty five minutes of your time. 801 00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:35,080 Speaker 3: Oh likewise, thank you so much. 802 00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:39,680 Speaker 1: Thanks, and a glimpse into your life again. I can't 803 00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:42,800 Speaker 1: stress this, but there's just so much more that people 804 00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:45,000 Speaker 1: have in common that they know, and if they would 805 00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:47,880 Speaker 1: get off their devices and talk to each other, they 806 00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:48,640 Speaker 1: would find that out. 807 00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:52,359 Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, I'm a big proponent of that, and as 808 00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:55,279 Speaker 3: somebody who is. I sit there and I scroll and 809 00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:57,239 Speaker 3: I'm like, why am I doing this? I should pick 810 00:40:57,320 --> 00:40:59,319 Speaker 3: up a book, and then I buy books and then 811 00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:02,359 Speaker 3: I get sleepy, and you know, it's just that I'm 812 00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:03,959 Speaker 3: back on the phone and I'm like, this is dumb. 813 00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:08,439 Speaker 1: Jess Joe Koi, JACOI, or JOKOI. She'll answer to both. 814 00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:10,560 Speaker 1: Just don't call her late for dinner or Jess. 815 00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:13,399 Speaker 3: People at work call me Jeff and I don't. That's 816 00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:15,080 Speaker 3: a long story for another podcast. 817 00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:17,480 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Well, hopefully you'll come back and visit us 818 00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:21,919 Speaker 1: again and just keep lighting up the world with your 819 00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:25,399 Speaker 1: beautiful music and your incredible voice. By the way, check 820 00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:28,719 Speaker 1: her out, Jess, JOKOI, thank you for coming on Music 821 00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:29,080 Speaker 1: Save Me. 822 00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:30,759 Speaker 3: Thank you so much for having me