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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wire to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Mark kenyans episode number two eight seven, and

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Speaker 1: today I'm joined by John Dudley, host of knock On

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Speaker 1: TV and the knock On Podcast, to discuss the concept

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Speaker 1: of mastery and the work, ethic and focus required to

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Speaker 1: achieve that level of success in the world of archery

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Speaker 1: and bow hunt. It all right, welcome to the Wired

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Speaker 1: Hunt podcast, brought to you by Onyx, and today we've

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Speaker 1: got John Dudley with us. And he's a guy that

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Speaker 1: likely needs no introduction, but just in case you're not

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Speaker 1: familiar with him. He is the host of knock On

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Speaker 1: TV and the knock On Podcast. He's competed in an

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Speaker 1: uncom noble number of professional archery competitions, and he's one

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Speaker 1: of the, if not the leading expert and coach in

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Speaker 1: the modern archery world. Now, as many of you know,

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Speaker 1: the summer, we've been doing this kind of series of

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Speaker 1: episodes in which we're chatting with different elite performers across

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Speaker 1: all sorts of different fields about the rough teams and

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Speaker 1: training regiments and practices that have led them to success

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Speaker 1: and whatever it is they do, and then finding out

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Speaker 1: how that can apply to hunting. So today with John,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna take that idea and apply to archery. And

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Speaker 1: this conversation we discussed some high level concepts around the

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Speaker 1: idea of achieving mastery in a given field, and then

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Speaker 1: we hear yet another perspective on how to prepare for

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Speaker 1: high pressure situations and then finally dive deep into a

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Speaker 1: whole slew of different expert level archery questions. And uh,

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Speaker 1: I brought someone else on the show to help me

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Speaker 1: do that, because you know, I take my archer pretty seriously,

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Speaker 1: but I'm no means close to where John's at. Um

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Speaker 1: I've still got a whole lot of learning to do

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Speaker 1: as many No, I've been working through target panic issues lately,

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Speaker 1: and uh, just just kind of following actually a lot

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Speaker 1: of things that John is teaching to try to achieve that.

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Speaker 1: So to dive in deeper than even I could go,

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Speaker 1: I brought my buddy and frequent contributor Andy may on

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Speaker 1: two four, you know how serious Andy takes archery and

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Speaker 1: the attention to detail that applies to that pursuit. So

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Speaker 1: that thing the case, he seemed like the perfect guy

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Speaker 1: think he'll give us an even more unique perspective from John.

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Speaker 1: So that is the plan. In just a minute here

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Speaker 1: I'll be joined by both John Dudley and Andy May,

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Speaker 1: and we're gonna dive into a fascinating conversation that I

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Speaker 1: think can help but make all of us better archers

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Speaker 1: and hunters. All right, now, joining me and Andy is

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Speaker 1: John Dudley. Welcome back to the show. John, Thanks man.

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Speaker 1: How's it going. It's good. I think the last time

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Speaker 1: years ago. Um, so it's been a long time coming.

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Speaker 1: By making the time to do this, Yeah, you're welcome.

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Speaker 1: Time flies. I was thinking the other I was thinking

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Speaker 1: the other day for some reason, I thought I was

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Speaker 1: only doing my podcast for about a year, and then

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Speaker 1: I started going back and I thought, Okay, yeah, I

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Speaker 1: don't even want to I don't even want to know

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Speaker 1: how I blanked out that much time in my life.

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Speaker 1: I feel the same way, especially with a with a kid.

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Speaker 1: Now it's like a year passes and I have no

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Speaker 1: time is money, in time is our most valuable commodity,

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Speaker 1: I'm thinking rather than you know, the usual chit chat

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Speaker 1: that's fine. So we're doing this series UM this summer.

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Speaker 1: We're we've been talking to a whole bunch of different people,

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Speaker 1: you is is being consistent across all of them? Well,

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Speaker 1: definitely work ethic is the most consistent. I think. I

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Speaker 1: think people that have that they naturally gravitate to each

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Speaker 1: Like if I'm a guy who really really really wants

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Speaker 1: And it's really really hard, honestly. You know, that's why

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Speaker 1: reset your conscious to where it's only occupied by the

430
00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:49,360
Speaker 1: actual physical process of breathing. And then it will help you, UM,

431
00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:52,920
Speaker 1: it will help naturally lower that heart rate because you're

432
00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:56,720
Speaker 1: not dumping adrenaline still. You know, it's when you it's

433
00:23:56,760 --> 00:24:00,320
Speaker 1: when you intently think about, like, this is the bigas

434
00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:02,480
Speaker 1: buck I'll have ever shot. What are all my friends

435
00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:05,600
Speaker 1: gonna think when I show them this um or some

436
00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:08,480
Speaker 1: people are like, oh my god, he's so big. I

437
00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:10,520
Speaker 1: don't want to miss this thing, you know, And it's

438
00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:14,280
Speaker 1: like those are those are keywords that that can certainly

439
00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:19,000
Speaker 1: trigger UM the conscious to to go into that fight

440
00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:21,520
Speaker 1: or flight state. And when that happens, then your heart

441
00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:26,520
Speaker 1: rates accelerated, your breathing gets heavier. You know, you kind

442
00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:31,240
Speaker 1: of put yourself in a poor position for UM having

443
00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:37,439
Speaker 1: a positive outcome. I feel like for me when I

444
00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:40,720
Speaker 1: had like I had a bracelet that had little pieces

445
00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:44,640
Speaker 1: of carbon arrows on it, and they were all they

446
00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:47,920
Speaker 1: were all pieces of arrows off metals that are off

447
00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:50,919
Speaker 1: arrows that I had, like won medals with so to speak.

448
00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:53,479
Speaker 1: So to me, they had meanings, so I would just

449
00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:57,720
Speaker 1: focus on shifting those things all the way around. And um.

450
00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:00,320
Speaker 1: For a lot of people that that do meditate ation,

451
00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:04,520
Speaker 1: you know, they actually have like meditative like be bands

452
00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:08,720
Speaker 1: for the risk where they're they're kind of just actively

453
00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:12,440
Speaker 1: thinking about moving that bead from one position to another position,

454
00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:14,960
Speaker 1: from one position to another position. And what they're trying

455
00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:18,080
Speaker 1: to do is just reset the conscious focus on the

456
00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:23,200
Speaker 1: breathing and bringing into play. Guys that struggle with um,

457
00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:29,760
Speaker 1: guys that struggle with target panic or buck fever. These

458
00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:32,359
Speaker 1: are a lot of times it's people that one have

459
00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:36,159
Speaker 1: never learned some of these small tricks that do for

460
00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:42,960
Speaker 1: sure help you, Um, they do help you stabilize, but

461
00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:50,440
Speaker 1: they also help you be able to somewhat tolerate that feeling.

462
00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:56,000
Speaker 1: And if you haven't felt it, it feels way way

463
00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:59,560
Speaker 1: UM it's like overtaking. You almost feel like there's just

464
00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:01,119
Speaker 1: no way you can get it done. And then as

465
00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:03,159
Speaker 1: soon as you let that arrow go, even if you

466
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:07,439
Speaker 1: see it missing, there's this huge like rush of like, oh,

467
00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:09,479
Speaker 1: thank God, I got rid of that arrow. You know,

468
00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:12,560
Speaker 1: and I've been there, you know, I've been in those situations.

469
00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:16,000
Speaker 1: It's it's a terrible place to be in. Um. But

470
00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:19,560
Speaker 1: you have to you have to do two things to

471
00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:22,800
Speaker 1: get out of those situations. One, you have to be

472
00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:26,199
Speaker 1: able to recognize when it's happening and know some of

473
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:29,720
Speaker 1: these little things to try to reset it where you're

474
00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:32,520
Speaker 1: focusing on your process again and you're not focusing on

475
00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:37,720
Speaker 1: the prize. UM. And then the second thing is acclamation.

476
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:42,679
Speaker 1: You know, being in those moments to where your intensity

477
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:46,800
Speaker 1: is high and you're you're kind of putting yourself in

478
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:51,959
Speaker 1: these like game day type situations. More often it just

479
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:55,040
Speaker 1: gets the be to the point where it's not scary.

480
00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:56,879
Speaker 1: You know, it's it was scary the first time I

481
00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:58,680
Speaker 1: got behind the wheel of a car. I mean the

482
00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:00,359
Speaker 1: first time I ever got on a dirt, Like, I

483
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:03,280
Speaker 1: was scared. When someone's like, okay, you gotta do like

484
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:05,280
Speaker 1: one down, four up, and I'm like, what the hell

485
00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:09,119
Speaker 1: does that mean? Um. So, but the more you do it,

486
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:11,439
Speaker 1: all of a sudden you just realize, okay, you know,

487
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:14,480
Speaker 1: I just jump on this thing and go. The subconscious

488
00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:17,080
Speaker 1: is like doing all of it consciously, you're just thinking

489
00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:20,240
Speaker 1: about the having fun part. So you have to be

490
00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:22,680
Speaker 1: able to acclimate yourself. And I think that's a big

491
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:26,960
Speaker 1: reason why events like the Total Archery Challenge are really

492
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:30,520
Speaker 1: important for people that are also trying to get more

493
00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:33,800
Speaker 1: involved with hunting, because you know, you get in these

494
00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:38,320
Speaker 1: situations where you're shooting with a larger group, Um, people

495
00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:41,520
Speaker 1: are all watching with their binoculars. You know, you're not

496
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:45,000
Speaker 1: wanting to essentially, you're wanting to put on a good

497
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:50,000
Speaker 1: performance in front of people. Um. When that happens, you

498
00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:53,040
Speaker 1: feel nervous naturally, But the more you do it, you'll

499
00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:56,760
Speaker 1: acclimate to it. So I really feel like a big

500
00:27:56,840 --> 00:28:03,959
Speaker 1: part of this is just continually working hard to um,

501
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:07,040
Speaker 1: to like feel that pressure and be in some of

502
00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:10,720
Speaker 1: those situations, and your performance overall will just continually get

503
00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:15,760
Speaker 1: better because you've been there. Yeah. Andy, I know that

504
00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:19,240
Speaker 1: you've you've been in some of these situations that John's

505
00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:21,960
Speaker 1: talking about here. Um, we've talked about you and me,

506
00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:24,600
Speaker 1: but I know you had some some questions for John

507
00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:30,639
Speaker 1: right around this topic. Um, any of those come to mind? Yeah, Um, well, John,

508
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:36,000
Speaker 1: going off what you were just talking about, and UM

509
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:39,400
Speaker 1: trying to you know, kind of focus on the process

510
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:43,960
Speaker 1: and keep you know, I guess anxiety I always described

511
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:46,480
Speaker 1: as trying to keep the anxiety low by focusing on

512
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:50,640
Speaker 1: the process. Um. You know in your teachings, you know,

513
00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:53,760
Speaker 1: you you promote uh, you know kind of that that

514
00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:59,000
Speaker 1: back tension pulled through unanticipated UM style of release, UM,

515
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:03,360
Speaker 1: which I've adopted, UM and it's been a huge help

516
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:08,680
Speaker 1: for me. But what I what I found, UM, is

517
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:13,000
Speaker 1: that style of shooting as opposed to like the you know,

518
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:17,480
Speaker 1: the command style. UM. You know that that often leads

519
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:20,240
Speaker 1: to you know, some target panic and trigger punching, that

520
00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:24,280
Speaker 1: sort of thing. It will always lead to it. Yeah,

521
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:27,400
Speaker 1: and just call it punching because whoever you know, I

522
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:30,200
Speaker 1: know Tim Gillingham likes to call a command style. But

523
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:33,680
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna tell you it's it's a you know,

524
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:37,320
Speaker 1: I can call people someone who like, you know, they

525
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:41,400
Speaker 1: they have command beer drinking habits, but in the end

526
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:49,200
Speaker 1: they're just drunks. Yeah yeah. So UM, but what I

527
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:52,840
Speaker 1: found is like this this unanticipated style of shooting. It's

528
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:57,640
Speaker 1: it's a very relaxing way to shoot. Like. UM. So

529
00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:00,880
Speaker 1: I always go back to my story. You know, I

530
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:02,600
Speaker 1: I've been both hunting a long time and I had

531
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:05,400
Speaker 1: a lot of success, and I was always a trigger puncher,

532
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:09,000
Speaker 1: and I did okay. Um, you know, I I made

533
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:13,280
Speaker 1: some good shots. I made some bad shots. UM wounded

534
00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:17,720
Speaker 1: some you know animals. But I obviously, you know, after

535
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:21,720
Speaker 1: um you know, studying your ways, I wasn't in control

536
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:26,320
Speaker 1: and I adopted you know, your teachings and put in

537
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:29,880
Speaker 1: the work, and now I shoot an unanticipated release and

538
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:32,920
Speaker 1: I've just found that I'm just so much more relaxed

539
00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:36,480
Speaker 1: in the shot. Not only you know, at things like

540
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:39,560
Speaker 1: the Total Archery Challenge what I also participated, but like

541
00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:42,440
Speaker 1: in that hunting scenario with that big buck standing there,

542
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:48,680
Speaker 1: like I I'm adrenaline is high, I'm excited, But it's

543
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:50,920
Speaker 1: that that style of shooting for me is just it's

544
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:55,920
Speaker 1: such a relaxing thing because I'm just focusing on um,

545
00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:58,479
Speaker 1: you know that pull through motion or um, you know,

546
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:03,240
Speaker 1: focusing and just letting my pin flow. UM. Do you

547
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:08,600
Speaker 1: agree with that? Is that? Yeah? Well, I mean I

548
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:13,320
Speaker 1: think it's really important that people get to the conclusion

549
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:16,920
Speaker 1: that in order to gain control, you have to first

550
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:20,840
Speaker 1: lose it. And you know you lose you feel like

551
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:25,160
Speaker 1: you're losing the control when you really start training to

552
00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:29,080
Speaker 1: get a surprise shot, you feel like you you feel

553
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:31,320
Speaker 1: like you have to know when that's gonna go off.

554
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:35,040
Speaker 1: But the reality is you are so much more stress

555
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:38,200
Speaker 1: free when you don't know when it goes off, but

556
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:42,600
Speaker 1: you do know where it's gonna go. You know. There

557
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:46,640
Speaker 1: there's this transition of yeah, you're nervous about something new,

558
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:50,080
Speaker 1: I get it, and there's some you know, Honestly, it

559
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:53,000
Speaker 1: used to be way harder to find that, And the

560
00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:58,480
Speaker 1: reason why is because years ago people didn't know proper technique.

561
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:01,680
Speaker 1: So when they would try to shoot attention activated release

562
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:05,719
Speaker 1: or HNE release and their postures completely incorrect, or they

563
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 1: don't know how to anchor properly. They a lot of

564
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:13,480
Speaker 1: other variables were happening at the same time, and they

565
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:17,200
Speaker 1: weren't sure of where things were going to go. But

566
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:20,400
Speaker 1: you know, the thing that I take the most pride

567
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:24,960
Speaker 1: in right now is when I open up all of

568
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:28,240
Speaker 1: our hashtags like knock On, knock on Nation School and

569
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:33,520
Speaker 1: knock the amount of people that could literally mirror my

570
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:39,760
Speaker 1: form that I struggled for years, uh to you know,

571
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:45,720
Speaker 1: to kind of perfect that took like so much time

572
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 1: I came. It was like decades of like doing that,

573
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:51,520
Speaker 1: and then it just got to the point where as

574
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 1: I taught, I just kept simplifying this down and like

575
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:57,840
Speaker 1: boiling it down to where I could teach someone that

576
00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:00,320
Speaker 1: had never shot a bow and they dug and your

577
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:02,719
Speaker 1: look like me in like an hour, and I'm just

578
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 1: looking at him like, damn it, you know, freaking wish

579
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:09,400
Speaker 1: I could have done that. But then those same people, um,

580
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 1: those same people, all of a sudden just can take

581
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:17,239
Speaker 1: over a release like that and start to focus on

582
00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:22,720
Speaker 1: this um surprise, unanticipated shot and they just they don't

583
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:26,000
Speaker 1: even think about it. It just feels so good. And honestly,

584
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:31,120
Speaker 1: when you're shooting good, archery is so fun. And and honestly,

585
00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:36,200
Speaker 1: when you make this switch, there's this short little window

586
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:39,479
Speaker 1: that all of a sudden, you make this one shot

587
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 1: that sticks out as I've never made a shot that good.

588
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:47,360
Speaker 1: It went off so easy, I freaking everything seemed like

589
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:51,120
Speaker 1: in slow motion. That arrow just pounded the center. It's

590
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:54,400
Speaker 1: like you kind of just have this standout moment of oh, yeah,

591
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:57,720
Speaker 1: that's what everyone's been talking about. And then once you

592
00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:01,240
Speaker 1: get that and you can start to repeat that, you realize, like,

593
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 1: this is super fun. And then when you go out

594
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:08,880
Speaker 1: into a hunting situation and this bowl of a lifetime

595
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:12,640
Speaker 1: steps out and you're just sitting there thinking about your process,

596
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:15,600
Speaker 1: and you know your your posture is good, your stance

597
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:18,160
Speaker 1: is good, and you draw back, you anchor properly, and

598
00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:20,479
Speaker 1: you settle into that peep and the pins right there,

599
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:22,880
Speaker 1: and yeah, you're a little nervous, but you get your

600
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:25,600
Speaker 1: finger on that safety. You're you or off the safety,

601
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 1: you're on the trigger, and you're just embracing that little

602
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:30,520
Speaker 1: bit of shake that you got from being nervous, and

603
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:34,600
Speaker 1: you pull through and that sound breaks and you just

604
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:38,759
Speaker 1: know you're like freaking dead, like that, you're dead, Like

605
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:40,759
Speaker 1: I know, I don't have a question of where the

606
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 1: SHOT's going because I know what a good shot is now.

607
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:49,319
Speaker 1: I mean, once someone has that feeling in a hunting situation,

608
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:53,880
Speaker 1: it's like the best sense of accomplishment. You just realize

609
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 1: that you've like jumped the biggest hurdle in this entire sport.

610
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:00,840
Speaker 1: I feel like I feel like they're are some people

611
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:05,440
Speaker 1: that think that, you know, to get ready for hunting

612
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:09,080
Speaker 1: season bow hunting, they pick up their bow a month

613
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:11,560
Speaker 1: before the season, start shooting it, making sure it's still

614
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:13,200
Speaker 1: hitting on the zero, and then they're good to go.

615
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:17,000
Speaker 1: But to achieve what you just described, that level of

616
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:20,560
Speaker 1: proficiency and confidence. Um, I know it takes a whole

617
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:26,240
Speaker 1: different commitment. What how would you describe what it takes

618
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:28,960
Speaker 1: as someone to get to that level? What kind of lifestyle?

619
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 1: What kind of commitment does that take? If you had

620
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:32,279
Speaker 1: to if someone like, hey, how do I get to

621
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:35,480
Speaker 1: this point? How would you describe what would be necessary?

622
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:38,000
Speaker 1: Um to get to that point? Yeah? I mean like

623
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:40,880
Speaker 1: not I'm not saying shoot their entered arrows today and

624
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:42,839
Speaker 1: tomorrow and do this thing, this thing. More so, like

625
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:46,000
Speaker 1: what kind of commitment or what what amount of your

626
00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:50,279
Speaker 1: life daily practice? What does it take to make that

627
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:53,640
Speaker 1: next level jump to that point? Well, I think the

628
00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:56,479
Speaker 1: biggest commitment you're gonna have to make is not making

629
00:35:56,520 --> 00:36:00,399
Speaker 1: excuses for yourself. I mean, if you want to say, like,

630
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:02,800
Speaker 1: you know, hey, I kind of I want to train

631
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:05,239
Speaker 1: that way, but I'm I want to command fire when

632
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 1: I go hunting, well, okay, you're wasting everyone's time, you know. Uh,

633
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:11,839
Speaker 1: do you really want to be better? Do you really

634
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:15,239
Speaker 1: want to be different? Because if you do, then you

635
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 1: could easily do what I do every single year when

636
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:22,399
Speaker 1: hunting seasons over, which is probably the time of year

637
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:26,400
Speaker 1: where I developed the most poor habits. Or you know,

638
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:30,239
Speaker 1: I would say my shots instead of being like on

639
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:33,920
Speaker 1: a level nine or ten, which is what I strive

640
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:37,120
Speaker 1: for when I'm training a lot. During the end of

641
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:39,440
Speaker 1: hunting season, I'm probably at a six or seven. I

642
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:42,400
Speaker 1: haven't shot very much. I've only you know, pulled arrows

643
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:46,000
Speaker 1: back on animals or maybe check my site marks here there,

644
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:50,239
Speaker 1: and you know, in between hunts, um. You know, I

645
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:54,560
Speaker 1: feel like I feel like when I decided to reset,

646
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 1: which for me, it's always around the first December. UM.

647
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:00,759
Speaker 1: I actually and this year I pasted it. You know.

648
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:02,960
Speaker 1: If you go to the Knock on our True YouTube channel,

649
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:06,720
Speaker 1: there's a series called School of Knock, it was twelve

650
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:10,160
Speaker 1: weeks of this week, we're working on this. This week,

651
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 1: we work on this, this week, we work on this,

652
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:16,279
Speaker 1: and it it just builds you to exactly what we're

653
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:20,360
Speaker 1: talking about in essentially a twelve. For me, I'm okay

654
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 1: doing it low and slow. You know, there's days where

655
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:25,160
Speaker 1: I might be able to shoot twenty eras there's days

656
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:28,560
Speaker 1: where my goal is to shoot a hundred UM. But

657
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:31,239
Speaker 1: I try to do that, you know, the majority of

658
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:34,480
Speaker 1: the week, and I work on that one thing enough

659
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:38,040
Speaker 1: to where I feel like I've embedded it and I

660
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:40,840
Speaker 1: can move on to the next thing. There's so many people,

661
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 1: and I just had, um, a variable, a very reputable

662
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:49,080
Speaker 1: person on like social media, and someone who's actually very

663
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:54,600
Speaker 1: very training oriented, like that's his whole thing's training. You know.

664
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 1: He was saying like, um, you know, I want you

665
00:37:57,239 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 1: to build a bow for me. And I told him, well,

666
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:00,920
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna oil to bow for you the way

667
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:03,800
Speaker 1: you're shooting right now, because you know, it's a reflection

668
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 1: to me. You need to change because you're punching the

669
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:10,879
Speaker 1: trigger doesn't look good, you know. And so he just said,

670
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:12,319
Speaker 1: well what can I do? And I said, take this,

671
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:15,719
Speaker 1: I spell it all out right here, focus on this,

672
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:18,200
Speaker 1: do all of this, and then then then in the end,

673
00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:20,480
Speaker 1: you're gonna be set up in a posture and in

674
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:23,879
Speaker 1: a in a placement where if I build you a bow,

675
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:27,080
Speaker 1: I know it will fit you properly, because they've always

676
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:31,400
Speaker 1: got right now doesn't even fit them properly in my opinion. So, um,

677
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 1: you know, one of the things he said was, well,

678
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:35,960
Speaker 1: I don't have twelve weeks. And it's like, well, okay,

679
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:38,160
Speaker 1: you can do it, and you can do it and

680
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:42,520
Speaker 1: three or four, but you know you're you know the mentality.

681
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 1: Now there's like a lot of people that just want

682
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 1: to hack and some things like this, if you want

683
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:51,879
Speaker 1: to if you want to achieve mastery, which is what

684
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:57,040
Speaker 1: I think the theme of this program is take hack

685
00:38:57,080 --> 00:38:59,480
Speaker 1: and throw it out the window. If you're looking for

686
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:02,920
Speaker 1: a short cut, like this isn't the place, you know,

687
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:05,160
Speaker 1: if you're looking for a shortcut, you're gonna be like

688
00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 1: of the other people out there that are struggling. If

689
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:12,439
Speaker 1: you're if you're really wanting to do something to where

690
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:15,879
Speaker 1: you're have potential to be the best at it, and

691
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:19,960
Speaker 1: at the end of your you know, your last day hunting,

692
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:22,040
Speaker 1: you can look back and say I did everything I

693
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:24,960
Speaker 1: could to be the best hunter I can. Then you

694
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:26,719
Speaker 1: need to look for where you need to look for,

695
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:30,040
Speaker 1: like the ability to work at it, not the ability

696
00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:32,080
Speaker 1: to hack it. You know, that's what you need to

697
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:36,319
Speaker 1: look for. Yeah, that's a great point, John Hey. Going

698
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:40,759
Speaker 1: back to the shot execution, I had a question, UM,

699
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:44,480
Speaker 1: So I sometimes go back and forth with this, and

700
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:48,480
Speaker 1: I kind of wanted to get your opinion. Um, Sometimes

701
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:52,160
Speaker 1: when I draw back and I shoot, UM, and I

702
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:56,440
Speaker 1: can achieve an unanticipated shot either way. But sometimes I

703
00:39:56,480 --> 00:40:02,760
Speaker 1: will draw back anchor, and I focus on the pulling

704
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:05,520
Speaker 1: through motion like you described and just letting my just

705
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:07,839
Speaker 1: let letting the pin flow, letting my aiming be kind

706
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:12,200
Speaker 1: of subconscious, and I can achieve that on intipate unanticipated shot.

707
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 1: But I can also switch it. I can actually focus

708
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:18,000
Speaker 1: on just letting my pin flow and just keep saying,

709
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:20,320
Speaker 1: let it float, let it float, and then my shot

710
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:24,600
Speaker 1: execution happened subconsciously. Is there one better than the other

711
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:28,200
Speaker 1: or is it okay if the if the result is

712
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:33,799
Speaker 1: an unanticipated shot. Either way, yeah, the the goal is

713
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:39,360
Speaker 1: a surprise shot, you know. And there's certain times where

714
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 1: if you've worked on one enough, you're not necessarily having

715
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:45,759
Speaker 1: to think of the other, Like when I'm really in

716
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:49,000
Speaker 1: practice and hopefully by like the end of that week

717
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:52,040
Speaker 1: or that end of that series. And this is normally

718
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:54,960
Speaker 1: what I do during indoor season, is kind of when

719
00:40:55,000 --> 00:41:00,120
Speaker 1: I train to to perfect my form by the last week,

720
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:02,560
Speaker 1: all I'm doing is looking at the target. I'm just

721
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:05,839
Speaker 1: staring a hole into the X ring. I'm not like

722
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:09,239
Speaker 1: I'm counting through my steps in my head, you know,

723
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:13,160
Speaker 1: I'm going through stance, grip, shoulder anchor pete, you know.

724
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:15,480
Speaker 1: Poll I'm like going through these in my head. But

725
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:19,800
Speaker 1: I'm not like consciously thinking about what my release hands

726
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:24,560
Speaker 1: doing or consciously thinking about the poll. I'm just letting

727
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:27,360
Speaker 1: the subconscious do that stuff. But that takes an extreme

728
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:30,520
Speaker 1: amount of time. The fact that you've committed to it

729
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:33,719
Speaker 1: and you've worked at it enough it's allowing you to

730
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 1: sometimes think about the poll, but other times you can

731
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:40,520
Speaker 1: just think about the float. And honestly, if you embrace

732
00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:45,040
Speaker 1: that float, then you're not worried about being in the pocket.

733
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:47,279
Speaker 1: You know. That's what I when I call once you

734
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:50,200
Speaker 1: let off that safety. In between when you let off

735
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:53,160
Speaker 1: the safety or when you start applying pressure on a trigger,

736
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:57,920
Speaker 1: that moment between then and when that arrow goes off,

737
00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:00,520
Speaker 1: that's that's kind of the pocket. And really the only

738
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:03,960
Speaker 1: thing that's happening during that time is you should be

739
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:06,759
Speaker 1: building pressure for the shop to go off, and you

740
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:11,800
Speaker 1: should also be seeing some movement in the front half

741
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:14,520
Speaker 1: of that bow, which is gonna be what you're seeing

742
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:18,760
Speaker 1: through your site and being able to embrace that float

743
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:22,040
Speaker 1: and realizing that, Okay, if I have a magnifying glass

744
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:24,640
Speaker 1: of my scope, I'm gonna see more. If it's windy out,

745
00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 1: I'm gonna see more. If I'm tired right now and

746
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:29,560
Speaker 1: I'm still trying to get my reps in, I'm gonna

747
00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:32,000
Speaker 1: see more. If I'm shooting up hill or downhill, I'm

748
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:33,880
Speaker 1: gonna see more. But that's cool. I just want to

749
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:36,640
Speaker 1: be here. Let this shop break when it is, and

750
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:39,879
Speaker 1: I'm like totally comfortable with that. When you can make

751
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:43,840
Speaker 1: that step and if you personally have made that step, dude,

752
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 1: that is a Jedi level step. It's very rare that

753
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:51,400
Speaker 1: people get to that. And I mean, that's how I

754
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:56,439
Speaker 1: feel when I shoot. I really could care less what

755
00:42:56,520 --> 00:43:00,439
Speaker 1: I would score in backyard practice. Honestly, I'd I don't

756
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:02,920
Speaker 1: even care what I'd score at any of these total

757
00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:06,480
Speaker 1: archery challenges. What I do care about is that I

758
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:10,880
Speaker 1: make good shots. And if I feel any sense of

759
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 1: anxiety or unease of my mind during that pocket time,

760
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:21,719
Speaker 1: then to me, that's not a good shot. And all

761
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:25,479
Speaker 1: I'm striving for is being up there and making good

762
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:29,279
Speaker 1: shots and and letting, you know, letting the rest take

763
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:33,280
Speaker 1: care of itself, because it's my opinion that it takes

764
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:37,120
Speaker 1: care of itself way more times than not if you

765
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:40,719
Speaker 1: just focus on that. Yeah, well, I one of the

766
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:43,360
Speaker 1: biggest takeaways are. One of the things that you described

767
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:47,319
Speaker 1: that was so helpful for me early on, UM was

768
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:52,480
Speaker 1: that you strive to make a ten on your shot execution,

769
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:56,399
Speaker 1: not necessarily hit the ten ring, but your your goal

770
00:43:56,480 --> 00:43:59,840
Speaker 1: is to score a ten on your shot execution. And

771
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:02,839
Speaker 1: when I kind of shifted focus to that to try

772
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:06,680
Speaker 1: to make that perfect shot every time, it it was

773
00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:09,600
Speaker 1: just like you said, it didn't really matter what my

774
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:13,600
Speaker 1: pin was doing, and my pin was moving around, floating around,

775
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:16,520
Speaker 1: but it was, you know, it was always coming back

776
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:18,640
Speaker 1: to where I was looking at and and no matter

777
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:23,440
Speaker 1: where in the process my shot broke, the pin always

778
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:25,959
Speaker 1: seemed to find the middle, you know. And and and

779
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:30,120
Speaker 1: I just it kind of it just got the snowball rolling.

780
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:32,759
Speaker 1: I could became more and more comfortable with movement and

781
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:36,200
Speaker 1: just focusing on that that execution. And I'm just surprised,

782
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:39,840
Speaker 1: you know, sometimes like you feel like that shot break

783
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:43,600
Speaker 1: and it feels like you're end was you know, two

784
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:45,239
Speaker 1: and just to the left and you go up there

785
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:48,040
Speaker 1: and it's it's still in the middle, you know. And

786
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:52,000
Speaker 1: I just it was just such a big, just a

787
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:55,479
Speaker 1: big realization for me of how badly I was doing

788
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:57,880
Speaker 1: things wrong, you know, for so many years if you

789
00:44:57,920 --> 00:45:03,120
Speaker 1: see that enough, like I remember John Barklow. UM, I'm

790
00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:06,680
Speaker 1: sure you guys now I remember John Barklow told me

791
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:11,160
Speaker 1: he said, Dude, once I saw that happen enough times,

792
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:14,239
Speaker 1: He's like, I just kind of took it as like

793
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:17,279
Speaker 1: benefit of the doubt that as long as I'm doing

794
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:21,520
Speaker 1: my job behind the line like that weird weird ship

795
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:24,720
Speaker 1: like that, I'll go down and it won't. It won't.

796
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:30,080
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm more expecting it to like land where

797
00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:34,480
Speaker 1: I wanted to, if I'm just being dynamic versus um

798
00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 1: being surprised that it is off, you know, because he said,

799
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:42,320
Speaker 1: I've just I've kind of surprised myself so many times

800
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:44,680
Speaker 1: by thinking, oh, I should have two of them that

801
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:46,680
Speaker 1: are way left, and then I get down there and

802
00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:49,319
Speaker 1: they're in the middle, and it's like whoa, Okay, Yeah,

803
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:56,040
Speaker 1: that's that's an awesome feeling. John. You going back to, like,

804
00:45:56,960 --> 00:46:00,880
Speaker 1: you know, um letting your pain flow and nick accepting movement.

805
00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:08,600
Speaker 1: Is there a time where you do things to minimize that? Um?

806
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:11,200
Speaker 1: Like I was talking with Mark, I, I actually use

807
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:15,160
Speaker 1: a rear bar um on my bow hunting setup, and

808
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:19,200
Speaker 1: I know that you don't really promote that but um,

809
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:21,800
Speaker 1: so for me, what I was noticing we both shoot

810
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:23,920
Speaker 1: Mark and I shoot Matthews bows, the grip runs a

811
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:25,440
Speaker 1: little lower in the system. They tend to be a

812
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:28,480
Speaker 1: little more top heavy. So what I found is like

813
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:36,000
Speaker 1: keeping my bow level um and you know, minimizing uh

814
00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:40,080
Speaker 1: pin flow. I needed to add some some sideway and

815
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:42,040
Speaker 1: some and some weight to the rear to kind of

816
00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:45,640
Speaker 1: minimize that. Otherwise I was like correcting it with my hand,

817
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:47,839
Speaker 1: which I didn't feel comfortable doing because then I felt

818
00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:52,000
Speaker 1: like I was imparting, you know, hand tork. But I

819
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:53,759
Speaker 1: was wondering if you could just kind of touch on that,

820
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:57,000
Speaker 1: like your thoughts on that, you know, with the scenario

821
00:46:57,280 --> 00:47:00,720
Speaker 1: that I just described, but also just like minimizing pin float,

822
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:03,680
Speaker 1: Like it's okay to accept some movement, but when is

823
00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:07,720
Speaker 1: it excessive and when do you try to minimize it? Well,

824
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:10,680
Speaker 1: I kind of just based it off the fact of

825
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:14,319
Speaker 1: you know, if it's like, um, I don't know. One

826
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:17,200
Speaker 1: way I guess the way I'll talk about is I

827
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:19,520
Speaker 1: have a jeep and my wife as a jeep. My

828
00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:23,560
Speaker 1: jeep is my jeeps lifted with thirty five's. My wife's

829
00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:27,000
Speaker 1: is stock. Like if there's a lot of wind and

830
00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:29,879
Speaker 1: you have a wrangler and you're going down the road

831
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:34,200
Speaker 1: like you're gonna move around. How my wife's moves around

832
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:39,400
Speaker 1: is like manageable. How mine moves around is not what

833
00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:42,959
Speaker 1: I'd want my site pin to do. So I think

834
00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:47,719
Speaker 1: you kind of you thrive to have something that you understand.

835
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:50,880
Speaker 1: If you're not being perfectly still, you're gonna see some movement,

836
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:54,080
Speaker 1: But you don't want the movement like very sporadic. You

837
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:57,480
Speaker 1: want it in like almost like a continual thing, like

838
00:47:57,520 --> 00:48:00,279
Speaker 1: if it's if it's always just kind of moving down

839
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:03,440
Speaker 1: and coming up, moving down, coming up, moving down, coming up.

840
00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:05,920
Speaker 1: Some of that movement might not even be because of

841
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:08,280
Speaker 1: the bow. It might be what your brain is wanting

842
00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:11,440
Speaker 1: to do. It's I always feel like when I cover

843
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:14,200
Speaker 1: an object, my brain because it knows that's where it

844
00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:17,480
Speaker 1: wants me to hit. My brain wants confirmation that that

845
00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:21,640
Speaker 1: objects still there. So the subconscious actually lowers that just

846
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:23,719
Speaker 1: enough to where you can peek and see it again,

847
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:25,480
Speaker 1: and then it allows you to go back up and

848
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:28,319
Speaker 1: then you it's like, I don't believe it's still there.

849
00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:29,920
Speaker 1: Can I just take a quick look, Oh yeah, it's

850
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:32,880
Speaker 1: still there. It's kind of like the peekaboo thing. Um,

851
00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:36,160
Speaker 1: I'm I'm okay with that. But what I'm not okay

852
00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:39,719
Speaker 1: with is when it's like down and up right over up,

853
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:43,720
Speaker 1: up up down, you know, like I don't like doing

854
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:46,400
Speaker 1: that because I'm I'm fighting something. I don't like that.

855
00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:50,560
Speaker 1: If it's consistent, then I'm okay with it. Um. If

856
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:54,080
Speaker 1: you have a slow float, then yeah, you can certainly

857
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:57,800
Speaker 1: slow it down with mass um. But mass is really

858
00:48:57,880 --> 00:49:02,600
Speaker 1: hard to mass is hard to tote around the timber. Um.

859
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:06,400
Speaker 1: Mass is sometimes hard to to deal with. If you

860
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:11,000
Speaker 1: are committed to shooting every day, mask can can somewhat

861
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:13,799
Speaker 1: come back and bite you. The better thing that you

862
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:18,600
Speaker 1: should do if you're not wanting to shoot counterweights, which

863
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:22,319
Speaker 1: I personally don't like sidebars for hunting. I think they're

864
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:29,279
Speaker 1: very impractical. Um. I personally would rather you use the

865
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:32,479
Speaker 1: canting option on your bow site, which is what they've

866
00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:36,600
Speaker 1: always been designed for. If you set your second and

867
00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:41,919
Speaker 1: third access on your site properly, those second third accesses

868
00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:47,279
Speaker 1: they should be forward of the site, which allows you

869
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:51,680
Speaker 1: to turn your entire site housing you know, kind of

870
00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:57,080
Speaker 1: left or right. So essentially, if you do always can't

871
00:49:57,120 --> 00:50:00,200
Speaker 1: your bow slightly to the you know top land to

872
00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:04,759
Speaker 1: the right. You can take your site and slightly move

873
00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:07,880
Speaker 1: the bottom of that site to the right so that

874
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:12,919
Speaker 1: your site is perfectly vertical even though you're limb tip

875
00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:16,480
Speaker 1: is slightly leaning, and your second third access will still

876
00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:20,240
Speaker 1: be correct if you do it the proper way. UM,

877
00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:24,280
Speaker 1: I would rather see that to compensate for a quarter

878
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:28,280
Speaker 1: of a bubble, then I would someone you know, trying

879
00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:31,440
Speaker 1: to drag. There's just no way you would use like

880
00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:34,400
Speaker 1: if if you were on your belly shooting access, like

881
00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:38,040
Speaker 1: I was two weeks ago in Lena. I I mean,

882
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:40,560
Speaker 1: I remember looking at Joe and I'm like, could you

883
00:50:40,600 --> 00:50:42,719
Speaker 1: imagine having a side rod on right now? And He's

884
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:45,240
Speaker 1: just like you take it off and throw it after

885
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:49,920
Speaker 1: your first stock, And I'm like, yeah, exactly, Yeah you would. Um.

886
00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:54,480
Speaker 1: You know, sometimes depending on the terrain and how diverse

887
00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:57,640
Speaker 1: you are and your hunting, sometimes you may be fine.

888
00:50:57,719 --> 00:51:00,359
Speaker 1: I mean, I've got I've got a guy that's kind

889
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:03,399
Speaker 1: of part of our knock on staff that's filmed for

890
00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:06,280
Speaker 1: me for a long time. He shoots like a twenty

891
00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:09,240
Speaker 1: in stabilizer and a side rod. It's in a shoot

892
00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:13,200
Speaker 1: through riser all the time for hunting. It's it's like

893
00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:15,560
Speaker 1: one of the weirdest looking things I've ever seen. But

894
00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:18,880
Speaker 1: he's totally comfortable with it. He's a target shooter that

895
00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:21,520
Speaker 1: loves to hunt, so he just kind of more or

896
00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:25,840
Speaker 1: less takes out a target setup that just has fixed

897
00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:29,440
Speaker 1: pins and in an arrow with broadheads on it. Um,

898
00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:32,560
Speaker 1: and he deals with it. But he's also in Wisconsin

899
00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:36,680
Speaker 1: sitting in blinds or tree stands, like I think he

900
00:51:36,719 --> 00:51:39,239
Speaker 1: did an elk hunt himself, maybe a year ago. But

901
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:44,520
Speaker 1: when I look at all the different places I go, man,

902
00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:49,920
Speaker 1: imagine trying to drag a sidebar through canola early season

903
00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:55,319
Speaker 1: in Alberta. He I mean, there's no way he could

904
00:51:55,360 --> 00:52:00,400
Speaker 1: do it. It's not practical. Um. Something you talk about

905
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:03,920
Speaker 1: brought to mind, UM a topic that Andy, you and

906
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:05,920
Speaker 1: me were talking about last night. I'm and steal and

907
00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:08,479
Speaker 1: the stealing idea you had been discussing with me here,

908
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:11,799
Speaker 1: which was when we're talking about pin float on the

909
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:16,240
Speaker 1: practice range is one thing. On actually in the field

910
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:19,600
Speaker 1: it's another. And I imagine that I'm a different range

911
00:52:19,640 --> 00:52:21,799
Speaker 1: is practicing behind the house. Of course, you see more

912
00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:24,719
Speaker 1: float becomes more erratic the smaller that target is because

913
00:52:24,719 --> 00:52:26,600
Speaker 1: of how much further you are away from the target.

914
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:30,600
Speaker 1: So I'm curious. John Andy had been posing this idea

915
00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:32,319
Speaker 1: to me, which is, how do you go about what's

916
00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:36,239
Speaker 1: the best way to go about determining your maximum effective range? UM?

917
00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:38,840
Speaker 1: And there's lots of different Everyone tosses out different numbers,

918
00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:41,759
Speaker 1: and people like to debate what's an ethical range, what's not,

919
00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:45,680
Speaker 1: what's effective, what's not, etcetera, etcetera. UM. And as I'm

920
00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:47,600
Speaker 1: practicing out there and you see how much pain float

921
00:52:47,640 --> 00:52:49,560
Speaker 1: you get and you start to become comfortable or not

922
00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:53,200
Speaker 1: comfortable at a certain level, how do you go about

923
00:52:53,239 --> 00:52:57,440
Speaker 1: determining what what a quality effect or what your maximum

924
00:52:57,480 --> 00:53:00,520
Speaker 1: effective range is? And how should someone out are listening

925
00:53:00,560 --> 00:53:02,480
Speaker 1: go about trying and figure that out for themselves. Is

926
00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:04,839
Speaker 1: it just can you do what you know? Some people say,

927
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:07,160
Speaker 1: get get a whole group in a pie plate in

928
00:53:07,239 --> 00:53:09,800
Speaker 1: three inches in whatever? Or is there a more methodical

929
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:12,160
Speaker 1: way that you go about approaching that. Well, the way

930
00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:14,759
Speaker 1: I approach it is I just straight up look at

931
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:16,960
Speaker 1: someone and I'm like, can you guarantee me that you

932
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:20,840
Speaker 1: can put one in the vitals? And if they're like, well,

933
00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:26,320
Speaker 1: I don't probably not, I'm like, okay, Well, then there's

934
00:53:26,320 --> 00:53:31,799
Speaker 1: your answer. Um, you know, I think if you practice

935
00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:37,440
Speaker 1: at distances long enough, Um, you know, you know, I'm

936
00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:39,720
Speaker 1: not going to tell someone, you know, if if someone

937
00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:42,480
Speaker 1: can hit it nine out of twelve, nine out of

938
00:53:42,560 --> 00:53:45,439
Speaker 1: ten times they can hit you know, a pie plate

939
00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:49,280
Speaker 1: at a hundred yards, but yet at their local club

940
00:53:49,360 --> 00:53:52,360
Speaker 1: as soon as someone shoots, you know, every at the

941
00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:55,360
Speaker 1: end of every three D round we do the everybody

942
00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:57,320
Speaker 1: throw a dollar in a hat and shoot the iron

943
00:53:57,360 --> 00:53:59,919
Speaker 1: bucket twenty yards and that guy goes out every time.

944
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:01,799
Speaker 1: Well guess what, I don't care how many you can

945
00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:04,560
Speaker 1: shoot out at tenant a hundred. The guy unravels as

946
00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:08,120
Speaker 1: soon as there's pressure on him. So you know, you there.

947
00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:10,960
Speaker 1: I don't think there's a clear answer to that, you know,

948
00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:18,400
Speaker 1: I know that me personally. Um, honestly, there's been several

949
00:54:18,440 --> 00:54:23,000
Speaker 1: shots with with Joe Rogan, for example, there's been several

950
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:27,760
Speaker 1: shots where we've been in a position and he's wanting

951
00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:29,680
Speaker 1: to make a shot and I'm like, you're not making

952
00:54:29,680 --> 00:54:32,560
Speaker 1: that shot, and he's like, would you make that shot?

953
00:54:32,680 --> 00:54:35,040
Speaker 1: And I would look at and be like no, and

954
00:54:35,080 --> 00:54:36,880
Speaker 1: he's like, you could make that shot, And I'm like,

955
00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:41,040
Speaker 1: with with what's going on now? Like I remember having

956
00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:44,239
Speaker 1: this conversation with him, Um in Lenna. I it was

957
00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:47,000
Speaker 1: it was a deer at sixty yards. Now, you know,

958
00:54:47,640 --> 00:54:50,400
Speaker 1: Joe is more than capable than shooting at sixty yards.

959
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:53,680
Speaker 1: He's more capable of shooting at seventy or eighty. You know,

960
00:54:53,760 --> 00:54:56,760
Speaker 1: I've seen him shoot. You know, he's a good shot.

961
00:54:56,840 --> 00:55:00,960
Speaker 1: He doesn't like miss targets. He's a good shot. Um,

962
00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:04,319
Speaker 1: he's definitely you know, I wouldn't say he's great, but

963
00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:09,560
Speaker 1: like he's he's above average. He's you know, I don't

964
00:55:09,680 --> 00:55:12,680
Speaker 1: I wouldn't question that he could hit it in the vitals,

965
00:55:12,719 --> 00:55:16,480
Speaker 1: but when there was wind, and I know he hasn't

966
00:55:16,520 --> 00:55:19,319
Speaker 1: shot his bow enough to know what is what that

967
00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:23,200
Speaker 1: arrow is gonna do with a quarter bubble or half bubble. Um,

968
00:55:23,239 --> 00:55:25,799
Speaker 1: it's an axis which they can jump through their own

969
00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:30,400
Speaker 1: butthole to get away from an arrow if they want to. Um,

970
00:55:30,680 --> 00:55:33,640
Speaker 1: you know, there's there's like factors in there where I

971
00:55:33,680 --> 00:55:36,240
Speaker 1: just looked at him like, dude, I wouldn't take that shot.

972
00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:41,360
Speaker 1: I shoot sixty yards probably fifty arrows a day in

973
00:55:41,400 --> 00:55:44,879
Speaker 1: my backyard. But there's no like, there's no way I'd

974
00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:48,200
Speaker 1: be able to tell him, And honestly, even when I

975
00:55:48,280 --> 00:55:51,560
Speaker 1: when I was stalking in on my deer with Cam.

976
00:55:51,800 --> 00:55:55,520
Speaker 1: We had the bucket fifty five yards and I'm like,

977
00:55:55,760 --> 00:55:58,840
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna shoot him that far. And I freaking

978
00:55:59,040 --> 00:56:03,560
Speaker 1: took the chance of belly crawling to the next tree

979
00:56:03,640 --> 00:56:06,520
Speaker 1: where I could get behind it and and and kind

980
00:56:06,520 --> 00:56:10,160
Speaker 1: of come up because I really didn't want to take

981
00:56:10,200 --> 00:56:13,719
Speaker 1: a shot that far. I mean, because it's not about

982
00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:17,200
Speaker 1: what I'm capable of doing. It's about what that animals doing.

983
00:56:17,320 --> 00:56:21,200
Speaker 1: And if you hunt long enough, you know, you know,

984
00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:25,719
Speaker 1: shooting a white tail deer in Wisconsin is a lot

985
00:56:25,760 --> 00:56:28,359
Speaker 1: different than shooting a deer that's coming to a white

986
00:56:28,360 --> 00:56:30,719
Speaker 1: tail deer. It's coming to a feeder in Texas. I mean,

987
00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:34,520
Speaker 1: you know, a fifty yard shot at a white tail

988
00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:37,360
Speaker 1: up here in the Midwest, it's just out in a

989
00:56:37,400 --> 00:56:41,799
Speaker 1: food plot, cruising along, you know, chowing down on some turnups,

990
00:56:43,320 --> 00:56:47,279
Speaker 1: no problem. Fifty yard shot at anything intact, like a

991
00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:49,839
Speaker 1: deer in Texas it may not even be possible. Dude,

992
00:56:49,880 --> 00:56:52,200
Speaker 1: I don't even know, but I wouldn't try it, you know.

993
00:56:52,360 --> 00:56:55,680
Speaker 1: So it's it's really hard. You have to you have

994
00:56:55,760 --> 00:56:59,480
Speaker 1: to have the you have to have the knowledge in

995
00:56:59,520 --> 00:57:03,040
Speaker 1: the experience of being able to not only read the animal,

996
00:57:03,880 --> 00:57:07,720
Speaker 1: but no the animal, and then more importantly like small

997
00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:12,520
Speaker 1: factors like little wind guts you know, hasn't been raining.

998
00:57:12,640 --> 00:57:14,600
Speaker 1: Do you know what your bow does when there's a

999
00:57:14,600 --> 00:57:17,280
Speaker 1: little bit of water on your on your cable slide?

1000
00:57:18,040 --> 00:57:20,240
Speaker 1: Did you have your bow in the back of the

1001
00:57:20,280 --> 00:57:22,920
Speaker 1: truck going down the gravel road in Alberta where that

1002
00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:25,560
Speaker 1: red dust gets all over everything and it starts to

1003
00:57:25,600 --> 00:57:29,680
Speaker 1: slow down your speed. Little things like that, like, they

1004
00:57:29,680 --> 00:57:32,120
Speaker 1: all factor in. So there's just no way you can

1005
00:57:32,240 --> 00:57:37,560
Speaker 1: I can tell someone this is your effective distance? You know, Andy,

1006
00:57:37,600 --> 00:57:40,800
Speaker 1: where's your head out on that? Yeah? That makes a

1007
00:57:40,880 --> 00:57:44,800
Speaker 1: lot of sense. Um, you know, I it takes me

1008
00:57:44,840 --> 00:57:49,840
Speaker 1: back to uh, the last two years in Wyoming antelope hunting. Um.

1009
00:57:50,120 --> 00:57:52,960
Speaker 1: The first year, you know, I was feeling, you know,

1010
00:57:53,120 --> 00:57:56,280
Speaker 1: very confident, you know, shooting at some longer distances. I've

1011
00:57:56,320 --> 00:57:57,920
Speaker 1: been doing it for a lot of years practice, and

1012
00:57:57,920 --> 00:58:01,760
Speaker 1: I felt very competent at a certain range with conditions

1013
00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:04,840
Speaker 1: you know that were perfect. And the first year I

1014
00:58:04,840 --> 00:58:08,760
Speaker 1: I did shoot an antelope you know, at a longer range.

1015
00:58:08,760 --> 00:58:11,840
Speaker 1: It was dead palm, he was feeding. Um, you know,

1016
00:58:11,880 --> 00:58:16,080
Speaker 1: the situation was perfect. Fast forward to the following year,

1017
00:58:16,520 --> 00:58:21,640
Speaker 1: completely a different scenario. It was very windy. Um. I

1018
00:58:21,720 --> 00:58:25,160
Speaker 1: kind of went in there maybe a little overconfident, and

1019
00:58:26,640 --> 00:58:30,440
Speaker 1: I missed a shot um at the first antelope that

1020
00:58:30,520 --> 00:58:34,000
Speaker 1: I that I shot at, and it was it wasn't

1021
00:58:34,040 --> 00:58:36,360
Speaker 1: as long as that other shot. It was actually quite

1022
00:58:36,360 --> 00:58:39,480
Speaker 1: a bit shorter um. But it was windy and it

1023
00:58:39,560 --> 00:58:42,120
Speaker 1: was dusty, like you were saying, and it was you know,

1024
00:58:42,160 --> 00:58:45,080
Speaker 1: it was blowing me off target. And you know, I

1025
00:58:46,080 --> 00:58:48,400
Speaker 1: tried to wait for the wind to die down and

1026
00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:51,560
Speaker 1: and make a good shot, and you know it it blew.

1027
00:58:52,320 --> 00:58:54,880
Speaker 1: Not only was it blowing my bow off, it was

1028
00:58:54,920 --> 00:58:57,520
Speaker 1: also it's also just sailed my arrow. And I was like,

1029
00:58:57,560 --> 00:59:00,160
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, like what what am I do? And

1030
00:59:00,240 --> 00:59:03,000
Speaker 1: like that was a really dumb mistake and I and

1031
00:59:03,560 --> 00:59:05,560
Speaker 1: I realized that right after I did it, and I

1032
00:59:05,600 --> 00:59:08,640
Speaker 1: was like, you know, this is a completely different type

1033
00:59:08,640 --> 00:59:11,320
Speaker 1: of situation and I'm gonna have to get in close

1034
00:59:11,360 --> 00:59:13,760
Speaker 1: to get it done on these uh, you know, on

1035
00:59:13,840 --> 00:59:17,400
Speaker 1: an antelope this year. So I agree with it. It It

1036
00:59:17,520 --> 00:59:20,400
Speaker 1: just kind of goes back to, you know, the conditions

1037
00:59:20,400 --> 00:59:23,000
Speaker 1: and the whole scenario and and you really have to

1038
00:59:23,080 --> 00:59:25,160
Speaker 1: kind of take a look at that and you know,

1039
00:59:26,440 --> 00:59:29,360
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, I guess to make that make

1040
00:59:29,400 --> 00:59:31,920
Speaker 1: that decision with the factors that you have there. Yeah,

1041
00:59:31,960 --> 00:59:35,920
Speaker 1: it's a case by case type situation. Um. It's interesting

1042
00:59:36,080 --> 00:59:39,480
Speaker 1: when I yeah, I feel like I listened to you

1043
00:59:39,520 --> 00:59:42,440
Speaker 1: Andy talking to John, and I know you followed John's

1044
00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:47,200
Speaker 1: um ideas and practices very closely over the years. And

1045
00:59:47,200 --> 00:59:50,280
Speaker 1: and I've looked to you Andy as as a local

1046
00:59:50,320 --> 00:59:52,840
Speaker 1: mentor of mine. And I'm a few years still behind

1047
00:59:52,920 --> 00:59:55,360
Speaker 1: where year and I'm just figuring out how to I

1048
00:59:55,360 --> 00:59:57,240
Speaker 1: I had the tiger panic issues over the last couple

1049
00:59:57,280 --> 01:00:00,120
Speaker 1: of years. I've now switched to trying to implement at

1050
01:00:00,160 --> 01:00:03,680
Speaker 1: the anticipated release, been been using the silver back this year.

1051
01:00:03,760 --> 01:00:06,480
Speaker 1: John really liking that. Um. So I'm early in this

1052
01:00:06,560 --> 01:00:09,960
Speaker 1: stage though, and you're much further along Andy. Um as

1053
01:00:10,080 --> 01:00:12,320
Speaker 1: you're as you're looking at this, and as as you've

1054
01:00:12,360 --> 01:00:14,720
Speaker 1: heard John through his podcast and his YouTube videos all

1055
01:00:14,720 --> 01:00:17,520
Speaker 1: these different things he is putting out there. Um, you're

1056
01:00:17,560 --> 01:00:19,160
Speaker 1: at that. I think you're in the high end of

1057
01:00:19,280 --> 01:00:22,360
Speaker 1: the typical hunter out there. What are the next level

1058
01:00:22,440 --> 01:00:25,120
Speaker 1: things that you're still wondering from John as far as

1059
01:00:25,120 --> 01:00:26,960
Speaker 1: how to take your you know, I don't know if

1060
01:00:27,000 --> 01:00:29,280
Speaker 1: you've got a couple other ideas like that you're still struggling,

1061
01:00:29,280 --> 01:00:31,960
Speaker 1: You're you've got these small little inches, these little details

1062
01:00:31,960 --> 01:00:34,680
Speaker 1: that can probably take you to that next level. Um,

1063
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Speaker 1: what are those other things you're curious to hear from John?

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Speaker 1: Because because I have all sorts of questions, but they're

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01:00:39,040 --> 01:00:42,800
Speaker 1: pretty basic still because I'm, you know, early in this journey.

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Speaker 1: What else? What else do you need to know? Andy? Yeah? Well,

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Speaker 1: well real quick, I wanted to tell John this is

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Speaker 1: a really special podcast for me because, um, I I

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01:00:53,600 --> 01:00:56,320
Speaker 1: got tuned into your podcast I think you had just

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01:00:56,480 --> 01:01:00,960
Speaker 1: launched episode two and that was that was uh an

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Speaker 1: episode that really cleared some things up for me. I

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01:01:04,520 --> 01:01:06,960
Speaker 1: was struggling with target panic really bad, and that two

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Speaker 1: thousand thirteen, two thousand fourteen, uh, you know, two thousand

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Speaker 1: twelve right around there, and UM, you know, I so

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Speaker 1: I identified it pretty early, and you were the one

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Speaker 1: guy that you know, helped me make sense of what

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Speaker 1: was going on. And it was just so influential to

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Speaker 1: me over the years. And I, you know, I jumped in,

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Speaker 1: you know, head first, and I've never looked back. And I,

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Speaker 1: you know, I was struggling with enjoying archery and now

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Speaker 1: I love it more than ever and it's really spilled

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Speaker 1: over into my success as a bull hunter. So thank

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Speaker 1: you for that, um. But also, like you know, for

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Speaker 1: those guys that maybe are what you would consider higher level,

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Speaker 1: that have mastered this type of shot execution, you know,

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Speaker 1: the guys like Joe or the guys that have you know,

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Speaker 1: been doing it for a long time, what can those

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01:02:03,400 --> 01:02:06,120
Speaker 1: guys do, those guys that have already mastered that, what

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Speaker 1: can those guys do to squeeze out that last little

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Speaker 1: bit of accuracy or continue to improve? Is there is

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Speaker 1: there something that you know, maybe you you kind of

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Speaker 1: we're really high level archers that you coached to take

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Speaker 1: them to that next up. Well, with really high level

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Speaker 1: archers that end up eventually hitting some type of slump,

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Speaker 1: what's amazing to all of them is that what I

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01:02:30,960 --> 01:02:34,880
Speaker 1: naturally do is just try to reset them back to

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Speaker 1: the very beginning and instead of trying to instead of

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Speaker 1: trying to like make adjustments afterwards, it's like take everything

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Speaker 1: away and go back to like here's the shot process,

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Speaker 1: Here's what I want you to think about. Here's a string.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna just execute on a string. You know, I

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Speaker 1: go back and try to just do a complete reboot

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01:02:56,720 --> 01:03:00,120
Speaker 1: and then obviously once they get the confidence that in,

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Speaker 1: then they're able to get back on track. Um. Sometimes

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Speaker 1: for the elite level guys that are somewhat struggling, there's

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Speaker 1: a couple of things that can happen. One, they can

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01:03:13,680 --> 01:03:17,280
Speaker 1: just have expectations of themselves that they may not be

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Speaker 1: capable of. Um. You know, it's it's like, as much

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Speaker 1: as I want to be able to do, as much

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Speaker 1: as I want to be able to go out and run,

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Speaker 1: like like cam Haignes, I mean, I'm six man, no offense,

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Speaker 1: I'm i am beat to the ground if I go

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Speaker 1: out and try to put miles on like that every day. Like,

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Speaker 1: there's certain things where I'm like, you know what, I

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Speaker 1: feel like, I feel like I'm good when I'm running,

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Speaker 1: but I'm you know, I'm I recognize the fact that

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm kind of made to just be amid a

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Speaker 1: mediocre runner, But I feel like I have a good

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Speaker 1: technique and I'm good. I feel like I'm definitely doing

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Speaker 1: it good enough to get by. UM. The other thing

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Speaker 1: is some elite level guys or guys that have done

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Speaker 1: it a long time and maybe they know what to do.

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Speaker 1: Some of them really don't put in the time that

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Speaker 1: you have to to be polished like some of these people.

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Speaker 1: And that's a big thing for me. You know, when

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Speaker 1: people ask me why I don't compete, there's just I

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Speaker 1: don't have the time. You know, I would have my

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Speaker 1: my twenty year old self would have beat would have

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Speaker 1: beat me right now because my twenty year old self

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Speaker 1: shop four or five, six, seven hours a day, and

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Speaker 1: even if I wasn't doing it right, I did it

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Speaker 1: wrong consistently and because it was just time and repetition.

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Speaker 1: So I think as long as you're really recognizing the

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Speaker 1: like for example, there's some people that have like natural

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Speaker 1: like they're naturally shaky, like when they go to do things.

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01:04:58,960 --> 01:05:00,640
Speaker 1: You know, have you ever seen people where their hands

1137
01:05:00,680 --> 01:05:03,439
Speaker 1: kind of shake. If they're really focusing on something like

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01:05:03,680 --> 01:05:06,520
Speaker 1: that type of person, they're gonna deal with that, and

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01:05:06,560 --> 01:05:10,600
Speaker 1: it's it's gonna be hard to be is accurate as

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Speaker 1: someone that's shooting a bow that their pin is super

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01:05:14,120 --> 01:05:17,760
Speaker 1: stable and they're making good shots. So you kind of

1142
01:05:17,760 --> 01:05:22,240
Speaker 1: need to be truthful on your self reflection of you

1143
01:05:22,280 --> 01:05:24,959
Speaker 1: know what, I'm really solid. I feel like I'm making

1144
01:05:25,000 --> 01:05:29,600
Speaker 1: great shots. I practice all the time, then okay, well,

1145
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Speaker 1: now your candidate to talk about a third thing. How

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Speaker 1: much are you actually putting into fine tuning your arrow

1147
01:05:38,720 --> 01:05:41,600
Speaker 1: setups to really match your bow? And do you know

1148
01:05:41,800 --> 01:05:46,240
Speaker 1: your boat set up is set up properly to where

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01:05:46,240 --> 01:05:51,560
Speaker 1: it's maximizing the groups that your arrows can provide based

1150
01:05:51,600 --> 01:05:55,200
Speaker 1: on how the two of them team up together. Um.

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01:05:55,440 --> 01:05:58,840
Speaker 1: So some of those small little points start to come

1152
01:05:59,000 --> 01:06:04,840
Speaker 1: from small little things like you know, how many gadgets

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01:06:04,840 --> 01:06:08,480
Speaker 1: do you have constantly? There's some people that are just gadgety,

1154
01:06:08,560 --> 01:06:12,720
Speaker 1: people that have like you know, they have like weird

1155
01:06:12,840 --> 01:06:15,280
Speaker 1: d loops. They want to kiss her button, they want

1156
01:06:15,320 --> 01:06:17,360
Speaker 1: some kind of a weird new peep site. You know,

1157
01:06:17,400 --> 01:06:20,480
Speaker 1: they want this site that's got a fiber optic dot

1158
01:06:20,520 --> 01:06:24,280
Speaker 1: in the middle, the sticker that's a ring, um, you know,

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Speaker 1: all these different things that are kind of, in my opinion,

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Speaker 1: gadgety rather than just simplifying it and really focused on

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01:06:32,160 --> 01:06:36,400
Speaker 1: being able to um, really focusing on being able to

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Speaker 1: kind of perfect what they're doing and know if what

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Speaker 1: they're doing is uh, is gonna work. Um. There's people

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Speaker 1: out there and I've done this. I've posted a picture

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Speaker 1: a few days ago of this target bail and there

1166
01:06:55,880 --> 01:07:00,959
Speaker 1: was like three different groups of arrows on it. Each

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01:07:01,000 --> 01:07:03,640
Speaker 1: of those groups of arrows were all shot out of

1168
01:07:03,720 --> 01:07:09,040
Speaker 1: the exact same boat at ninety but every every single

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Speaker 1: arrow group had a much different result on the paper.

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Speaker 1: And those results were based on how those arrows matched

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Speaker 1: the boat. And that's one thing you really have to

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01:07:20,120 --> 01:07:22,800
Speaker 1: know about. Andy. I know we've got we're running a

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Speaker 1: time here, so I know you had one, maybe two

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Speaker 1: other questions on this line of thinking. I'll let you

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Speaker 1: let you send one more to wrap this up. John,

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01:07:33,040 --> 01:07:36,320
Speaker 1: like you, you know, everybody kind of looks up to you,

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Speaker 1: you know, as a as an archery coach, and you

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01:07:38,400 --> 01:07:43,720
Speaker 1: know we see you make you know, great shots consistently

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Speaker 1: and and uh you know certainly you know, highest of

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Speaker 1: the highest far As archery skill level. But can you

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01:07:50,520 --> 01:07:54,040
Speaker 1: tell us I just want to kind of like humanize

1182
01:07:54,080 --> 01:07:57,640
Speaker 1: you a little bit and and ask you, um, you know,

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Speaker 1: give us a reason why John Dudley might miss might

1184
01:08:02,640 --> 01:08:07,720
Speaker 1: miss um? I miss all the time? Okay, Well, what's

1185
01:08:07,760 --> 01:08:11,480
Speaker 1: what causes you to What causes you to miss? Um?

1186
01:08:11,720 --> 01:08:17,840
Speaker 1: Lack of practice? I mean lack of practice, uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: lack of practices. One when I break down you know,

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Speaker 1: a lot of the things that I talked about, I

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Speaker 1: talk about them because I'm dealing with them. You know,

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Speaker 1: when I make a post talking about the importance of

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01:08:28,160 --> 01:08:32,880
Speaker 1: shoulder position and how creeping, how creeping causes you to

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Speaker 1: miss and where that miss is gonna go, it's because

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01:08:35,439 --> 01:08:39,120
Speaker 1: I've been doing it all morning, you know. Um you

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01:08:39,160 --> 01:08:42,800
Speaker 1: know there. That's that's why I practice. That's why I

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01:08:42,840 --> 01:08:45,400
Speaker 1: did that School Knox series because it's like, you know,

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Speaker 1: and there were days where I showed people like, I

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01:08:48,640 --> 01:08:51,840
Speaker 1: can't shoot a three hundred to day, I can't, But

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Speaker 1: my goal is to be shooting three hundreds with high

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Speaker 1: you know, high upper twenty x counts by the end

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Speaker 1: of this period. Because you know, I'm realistic. I know

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01:09:02,680 --> 01:09:05,960
Speaker 1: that I can't just pick up my boat anytime and

1202
01:09:06,000 --> 01:09:10,160
Speaker 1: shoot clean. Now, am I gonna? Can I sit down

1203
01:09:10,160 --> 01:09:12,720
Speaker 1: my bow and pick it up and be above average? Yeah?

1204
01:09:12,760 --> 01:09:15,760
Speaker 1: I think I'd feel comfortable saying that, But you know,

1205
01:09:15,920 --> 01:09:19,280
Speaker 1: I certainly do miss. You know, there's times where as

1206
01:09:19,320 --> 01:09:22,240
Speaker 1: soon as the shot breaks, I'm like, damn, it bubbles off,

1207
01:09:22,880 --> 01:09:28,880
Speaker 1: you know, and being able to to recognize, like why

1208
01:09:29,040 --> 01:09:31,960
Speaker 1: you miss is very important, and also being able to

1209
01:09:32,000 --> 01:09:36,160
Speaker 1: recognize what actually like some type of a technique or

1210
01:09:36,240 --> 01:09:39,840
Speaker 1: flaw that's broke down, like right as the share the

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01:09:40,000 --> 01:09:44,400
Speaker 1: arrows breaking. That's really important too, um, because it helps

1212
01:09:44,400 --> 01:09:47,200
Speaker 1: you identify you know, if I make a shot and

1213
01:09:47,280 --> 01:09:49,360
Speaker 1: the shop breaks and I kind of see the arrow

1214
01:09:49,400 --> 01:09:53,160
Speaker 1: come out a little sideways, like instantaneously, I'm thinking like

1215
01:09:53,240 --> 01:09:54,880
Speaker 1: grip pressure, and then all of a sudden, Oh, I

1216
01:09:54,920 --> 01:09:57,600
Speaker 1: feel the front of my riser pushing really hard on

1217
01:09:57,640 --> 01:10:00,360
Speaker 1: the front of my index finger. Dang, I was freaking

1218
01:10:00,360 --> 01:10:04,520
Speaker 1: putting a little front finger torque on that thing. Um.

1219
01:10:04,560 --> 01:10:07,559
Speaker 1: You know, I learned to recognize those. You know. It's

1220
01:10:07,560 --> 01:10:11,519
Speaker 1: not like I can't say I slop arrows around all

1221
01:10:11,600 --> 01:10:17,160
Speaker 1: day long, but you know, I really strive to get

1222
01:10:17,200 --> 01:10:19,960
Speaker 1: in into a rhythm and into a flow state and

1223
01:10:19,960 --> 01:10:24,000
Speaker 1: into a zone. And sometimes it may take meros to

1224
01:10:24,040 --> 01:10:28,680
Speaker 1: get there. Sometimes it may happen right off the bat, um,

1225
01:10:28,720 --> 01:10:31,160
Speaker 1: you know, but I certainly miss. I did a live

1226
01:10:31,240 --> 01:10:33,200
Speaker 1: feed the other day, and as I was talking, I

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01:10:33,240 --> 01:10:35,639
Speaker 1: was showing people how my sight work turned around and

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01:10:36,160 --> 01:10:38,559
Speaker 1: made a shot at thirty yards but had still had

1229
01:10:38,600 --> 01:10:41,479
Speaker 1: my sight set on fifty and just you know, totally

1230
01:10:41,520 --> 01:10:46,000
Speaker 1: blank the target. So you know, it's it's common for me.

1231
01:10:46,479 --> 01:10:49,920
Speaker 1: You know, it happens. I'm not I'm not a robot um.

1232
01:10:50,000 --> 01:10:53,080
Speaker 1: But again, this kind of goes full circle back to

1233
01:10:53,160 --> 01:10:57,040
Speaker 1: what we talked about at the very beginning. Is now

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01:10:57,120 --> 01:10:59,240
Speaker 1: I'm in a whole new position where it's like, you

1235
01:10:59,280 --> 01:11:01,880
Speaker 1: know what that happens, but at least I know why,

1236
01:11:01,960 --> 01:11:03,920
Speaker 1: and I'm not gonna let it happen on the next arrow.

1237
01:11:03,960 --> 01:11:09,000
Speaker 1: I'm gonna make corrections. And I think if you have

1238
01:11:09,200 --> 01:11:13,559
Speaker 1: that approach, then eventually you'll find this little click where

1239
01:11:13,560 --> 01:11:17,200
Speaker 1: you're just gonna be making really good shots. And sometimes

1240
01:11:17,240 --> 01:11:20,559
Speaker 1: you'll go out and be like, man, I couldn't miss tonight,

1241
01:11:20,680 --> 01:11:23,160
Speaker 1: And those are the best feeling days. But there's also

1242
01:11:23,240 --> 01:11:26,160
Speaker 1: days where you go out and you just feel like

1243
01:11:26,200 --> 01:11:30,080
Speaker 1: your shoes coming untied all the time. And honestly, on

1244
01:11:30,120 --> 01:11:33,000
Speaker 1: those days, I just kind of embrace the suck and

1245
01:11:33,080 --> 01:11:36,080
Speaker 1: just say it's not meant to be tonight. You know,

1246
01:11:36,120 --> 01:11:39,200
Speaker 1: I'm I'm shooting some hates. I really wanted to shoot twelve,

1247
01:11:39,400 --> 01:11:41,600
Speaker 1: so it might be a good night for me to

1248
01:11:41,640 --> 01:11:44,519
Speaker 1: go and you know, get some of these fletchings repaired,

1249
01:11:44,520 --> 01:11:48,000
Speaker 1: and get get this de loop you know, replaced, and

1250
01:11:48,000 --> 01:11:52,120
Speaker 1: and I'll do something archery related but not necessarily reinforced

1251
01:11:52,160 --> 01:11:56,320
Speaker 1: bad habits. I feel like everybody listening to this if

1252
01:11:56,320 --> 01:11:58,760
Speaker 1: they're a bowl hunter, which probably ninety seven or some

1253
01:11:58,800 --> 01:12:00,639
Speaker 1: of the folks listening to this one or bow hunters,

1254
01:12:01,360 --> 01:12:03,400
Speaker 1: we all want to get better. We're all at different

1255
01:12:03,560 --> 01:12:05,879
Speaker 1: levels though we all have kind of a different starting

1256
01:12:05,920 --> 01:12:08,240
Speaker 1: point where we're at right now, but we're all looking

1257
01:12:08,280 --> 01:12:10,639
Speaker 1: to take that next step. And you talk to people

1258
01:12:10,680 --> 01:12:12,760
Speaker 1: all the time that are trying to take that next step,

1259
01:12:12,800 --> 01:12:15,400
Speaker 1: and they look to you to figure out how to

1260
01:12:15,439 --> 01:12:18,240
Speaker 1: do that. Um, you've got to hear a lot of

1261
01:12:18,280 --> 01:12:21,680
Speaker 1: things from those people. You must hear explanations for why

1262
01:12:21,720 --> 01:12:25,200
Speaker 1: they're not doing that, or problems or questions or concerns

1263
01:12:25,240 --> 01:12:30,880
Speaker 1: or excuses. Is there something that you oftentimes just wish

1264
01:12:30,920 --> 01:12:33,320
Speaker 1: you could tell these people. Is there one thing that

1265
01:12:33,400 --> 01:12:35,799
Speaker 1: just jumps up over and over is like that challenge

1266
01:12:35,800 --> 01:12:37,680
Speaker 1: you wish you could give everyone, or the thing like

1267
01:12:38,439 --> 01:12:41,240
Speaker 1: everyone's looking for the magic bullet and you could say, well,

1268
01:12:41,439 --> 01:12:44,280
Speaker 1: I challenge you to do this, or or here's one

1269
01:12:44,280 --> 01:12:46,880
Speaker 1: thing I really wish people would start working on, would

1270
01:12:46,920 --> 01:12:48,799
Speaker 1: focus on. If you could leave people with one final

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Speaker 1: challenge today or one final parting piece of advice that

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Speaker 1: seems maybe somewhat universal. What would that be John, to

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Speaker 1: wrap us up here, be honest with your work ethic.

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Speaker 1: And again this is going right back to where we started.

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Speaker 1: So there's people that feel like they might put in

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Speaker 1: the effort, but deep down are you really like can

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Speaker 1: you really answer that question? People that come and say,

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Speaker 1: you know what, I tried the silver back, it just

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Speaker 1: wasn't for me, And it's like, how long? How long

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Speaker 1: did you try it? While I tried in a week? Okay,

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Speaker 1: Well how much do you shoot in a week? You

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Speaker 1: shoot three days a week? Well, yeah, maybe you know,

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Speaker 1: sometimes four days? Okay, So you tried it four days

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Speaker 1: and then you gave up on it. So that's not

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Speaker 1: a fair time. So you really have to be truthful

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Speaker 1: to yourself of what is your work ethic? And if

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Speaker 1: you know your work ethics good, then also be truthful

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Speaker 1: to yourself of are you looking at the right information.

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Speaker 1: So I'm confident that if you're looking at the information

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Speaker 1: that I give out, I'm confident that I'm giving out

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Speaker 1: information that helps pool. And I'm confident in the information

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Speaker 1: that I talked about or I don't talk about it.

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Speaker 1: Um and if you can answer yes to both those things.

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Speaker 1: I'm confident I did what you told me. I'm confident

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Speaker 1: I'm putting in the time. Um. Then the last thing

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna leave you with is trusted. This past weekend,

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Speaker 1: I was actually um driving through Arizona and uh, well

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Speaker 1: I drove. I flew into one place and I drove

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Speaker 1: to another, and then I ended up flying out of another. Um.

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Speaker 1: Actually I flew to one. Yeah, I picked up to

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Speaker 1: fly to another, then drove to one, then flew back.

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Speaker 1: But anyway, um on, while I was there, I was

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Speaker 1: in Tucson, and UM, the buddy I was with, I'm like,

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Speaker 1: I said, does PSC still have their like pro shop

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Speaker 1: and their outdoor range? And he said, yeah, yeah they do.

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Speaker 1: And I said, I'm like, I want to see it,

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Speaker 1: because I said, the last time I was here was

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Speaker 1: I think it was twenty five years prior. And uh

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Speaker 1: and I remember I remember shooting there with like Terry

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Speaker 1: and Michelle Ragsdale. They came out and shot after work

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Speaker 1: like it was. It was pretty cool. So I walked

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Speaker 1: into an Archer shop. There were several guys in there

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Speaker 1: that once I started talking and saying, like I remember,

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Speaker 1: Terry was over there, and Michelle was over there and

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Speaker 1: they heard my voice and they kind of looked and

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Speaker 1: they were like, oh my gosh, you're in here. And

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Speaker 1: a couple of them had silver backs, they had knock

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Speaker 1: on fletchings, and I said, oh, this looks really cool,

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Speaker 1: and he's like, yeah, I did it all myself based

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Speaker 1: on your videos. And just being able to say, dude,

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Speaker 1: you did perfect, Now just trust it and shoot it.

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Speaker 1: I think that's one of the biggest things for people,

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Speaker 1: and it's the biggest things for high level archers that

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Speaker 1: get in slumps that end up coming to me is

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Speaker 1: all they want is the reassurance of what they're doing

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Speaker 1: is right, and way more times than not, what you're

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Speaker 1: doing is right. You just really got to put in

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Speaker 1: time and put in undistracted focus. One of the things

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Speaker 1: that's hard right now is people, um, people take and

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm I'm bad about this. There's times where I

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Speaker 1: practice where I'm uninterrupted and I'll just make a I'll

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Speaker 1: make a picture post about a a shot that I've done,

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Speaker 1: um that was an hour or two hours earlier. I'm

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Speaker 1: not like trying when I'm doing live feeds, are trying

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Speaker 1: to make posts or texting, my friends are talking during

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Speaker 1: my practice. It's very uninterrupted. It's very interrupted practice, and

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Speaker 1: it's not very good. Same things true with the weight

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Speaker 1: round when people are like, dude, I go to the

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Speaker 1: weight room every day, but I just never really change.

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Speaker 1: And I'm like, hey, man, normally you're doing like three snapchats,

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Speaker 1: you're freaking on Facebook, you're on Instagram, like you know,

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Speaker 1: you're not actually going in there and being effective at

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Speaker 1: what you're doing. So I just want to urge people

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Speaker 1: that if you can look at yourself in the mirror

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Speaker 1: and say I am I am willing to put in

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Speaker 1: the time, and I'm confident that I did everything that

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Speaker 1: you told me and I'm not like making excuses for

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Speaker 1: things that might not feel comfortable this second, then the

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Speaker 1: next thing is just trusted and just put in time

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Speaker 1: because it takes. It's it's a proven fact psychologically it

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Speaker 1: takes at least twenty one days to create a habit.

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Speaker 1: So you have to commit to at least that before

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Speaker 1: you can feel like you're not doing something the right way.

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Speaker 1: And that's like you said, this is a perfect way

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Speaker 1: to wrap it up, kind of coming full circle talking

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Speaker 1: about the importance of that ethic developing these good habits,

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Speaker 1: sticking to your guns on things like this, and just

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Speaker 1: doing the work. So that the final thing I got

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Speaker 1: to ask John is just where can people find more

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Speaker 1: of this information from you? You talked about the fact

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Speaker 1: that you're very confident that the information you're putting out

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Speaker 1: there is quality and spot on, which which Andy and

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Speaker 1: I can both personally test to. So so what would

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Speaker 1: you recommend folks check out first to learn more? Um? Well,

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Speaker 1: if you go to the knock On Archery YouTube channel, um,

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Speaker 1: you can easily just type in, type in a subject

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Speaker 1: that you're thinking about, you know, and then maybe put

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Speaker 1: my put my name in front of it. Just John Dudley,

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Speaker 1: how to shoot release, John Dudley, peep site, John Dudley

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Speaker 1: anchor position, and you're there's just hundreds and hundreds and

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Speaker 1: hundreds of videos in there on do that you know,

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Speaker 1: are are about that? You know, how to fletch your narrow,

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Speaker 1: how to set my sight up, how to tie a

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Speaker 1: de loop, how to tie a knocking point, I mean anything,

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Speaker 1: just put it in there and then every day, like

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Speaker 1: my most my most frequented UM place is Instagram. You know,

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Speaker 1: it's at knock On TV n O c K O

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Speaker 1: N t V. I definitely post as I'm practicing, I

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Speaker 1: post results afterwards. I do a lot of live feeds

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Speaker 1: on there and make sure notifications are on because in

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Speaker 1: the middle of practice, if I've made a mistake and

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Speaker 1: I want to talk about it, I'll go on a

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Speaker 1: live feed and and show you, or I'll also talk

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Speaker 1: about things that I might be doing in the field

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Speaker 1: or things that I might be packing for a camp.

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Speaker 1: So that's really my channels. And honestly, if I wasn't

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Speaker 1: doing what I'm doing now, there's no way I would

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Speaker 1: be out there on these things I'm I'm there for

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Speaker 1: I'm there for the archery community in the bow hunting community,

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Speaker 1: so if you're interested, those are the places to be

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Speaker 1: perfect all right, John, Well, can't thank you enough. This

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Speaker 1: is as usual, always a lot of interesting stuff, a

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Speaker 1: lot of education, and Andy and I both really appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: So thanks for taking this time. Yeah, thanks you guys.

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Speaker 1: Thank thanks John. And that is it for today. I

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Speaker 1: gotta believe you're gonna leave this one inspired to start

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Speaker 1: kicking some butt, whether that's with your bow or out

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Speaker 1: in the woods. So don't let that energy fizz away.

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Speaker 1: Get out there, and get after it hunting season. It

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Speaker 1: is just on the horizon's gonna be here before we

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Speaker 1: know it. So until next time, thank you for being here,

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Speaker 1: and stay wired to hunt.