WEBVTT - You've Never Ordered a Code Red: Stolen Valor

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<v Speaker 1>Ridiculous Crime is a production of iHeartRadio.

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<v Speaker 2>Zaren YoY Elizabeth listen here. Yeah, you know what's ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 3>I do.

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<v Speaker 2>What's that you love animals? I do.

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<v Speaker 3>That's not ridiculous. The part that's ridiculous is I was

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<v Speaker 3>thinking about you because you've been looking for pets recently

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<v Speaker 3>and going.

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<v Speaker 2>Online, although sometimes I'm kind of looking for I see, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>definitely a dog.

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<v Speaker 3>I've heard you talking to the intern so like, and

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<v Speaker 3>then the dogs look at you and they go, oh,

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<v Speaker 3>you should get a cat. Yeah, guys, that's messed up. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>So I was looking at some just online stories and

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<v Speaker 3>I found one about a bird that was being offered.

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<v Speaker 3>But you're a little late. There are about four hundred

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<v Speaker 3>people ahead of you in line for this bird. The

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<v Speaker 3>bird was put up by the Niagara SPCA, and apparently

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<v Speaker 3>it's an Amazon parrot, really a really beautiful white fronted

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<v Speaker 3>Amazon parrot. Yeah, but apparently the parrot was known for

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<v Speaker 3>saying things like you want me to kick your rack?

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<v Speaker 3>So this was a foul mouth, white fronted Amazon parrot

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<v Speaker 3>which was known to be able to do like thirty

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<v Speaker 3>forty different sounds. And uh, the SBCA are trying to

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<v Speaker 3>give this pad away. They've been putting a posts on Facebook, right,

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<v Speaker 3>so one of them is like quote on the bride side.

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<v Speaker 3>If you want to keep unannounced company from dropping in,

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<v Speaker 3>adopt pepper. They'll think twice after being cussed out by

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<v Speaker 3>your new foul mouth feather friend.

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<v Speaker 2>It's incredible.

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<v Speaker 3>Give us a call if you want to add a

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<v Speaker 3>spicy pepper to your life. Somebody get this guy a

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<v Speaker 3>bar of soap or a humor loving home. So people

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<v Speaker 3>they start as old you four hundred people, I want

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<v Speaker 3>the bird.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes.

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<v Speaker 3>One person's like my grandma's eighty one years old, swears

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<v Speaker 3>all the time, she needs company. This would be great

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<v Speaker 3>for her. So there you go. I'm going to get

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<v Speaker 3>you a cursing parrot.

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<v Speaker 2>We should get a cursing parrot for headquarters.

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<v Speaker 3>Totally in a poop flinging monkey.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, that's just for me, that's for you. That's good.

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<v Speaker 2>H Do you know what else is ridiculous?

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<v Speaker 5>No?

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<v Speaker 3>What do you got for me?

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<v Speaker 2>Dealing things? Especially valor?

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<v Speaker 5>Oh?

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<v Speaker 2>This is a ridiculous crime A podcast about absurd and

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<v Speaker 2>outrageous capers, heists, and cons. It's always ninety nine percent

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<v Speaker 2>murder free and one hundred percent ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 3>Damn right.

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<v Speaker 2>I like to consider myself a pacifist.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I do. I consider you a pacifist.

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<v Speaker 2>What's the exception of my violent language?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, no, you have very violent languages.

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<v Speaker 2>And my belief that I would be the perfect person

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<v Speaker 2>to be command in the scandals, like just ordering deaths,

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<v Speaker 2>not caring executing heads of state for the republic. But

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<v Speaker 2>so I consider myself a pacifist, but I do support

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<v Speaker 2>our military very much.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, these are different things and for some people's capacities,

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<v Speaker 3>Like you could be a personal pacifist, but agreement with

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<v Speaker 3>the military. Some people are pacifists up and down the line,

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<v Speaker 3>right right.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, we do have the most incredible fighting force

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<v Speaker 2>in the world. I've heard that just the logistics of

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<v Speaker 2>what they can pull off in a very short period

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<v Speaker 2>of is mind blowing.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's really impest.

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<v Speaker 2>And then you know there's that sacrifice, the risk that

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<v Speaker 2>members of the armed forces take on. Oh I definitely

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<v Speaker 2>you got the psychological damage as well as the physical.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's why active duty and veterans deserve respect.

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<v Speaker 3>Even if I don't agree with something that they were

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<v Speaker 3>asked to do, I still support them fully exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>And yeah, so whether or not. You agree, they earn respect,

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<v Speaker 2>they earn deference. But what happens when you get folks

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<v Speaker 2>with no integrity and a desire for respect and deference

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of things. But I want to talk to

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<v Speaker 2>you today about stolen valor my people. And it's not

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<v Speaker 2>stolen valure.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh not my people. I thought you met stolen like

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<v Speaker 3>valure suits tracksuits.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, no, I really I should learn to speak. So

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<v Speaker 2>these are military impostors who lie about being in the service,

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<v Speaker 2>or they lie about the extent of their service for

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<v Speaker 2>financial gain. Oh boo, Yeah, they say, the guys who

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<v Speaker 2>were in it don't talk about it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, generally speaking.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I found that to be true unless we.

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<v Speaker 3>Speak with each other.

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<v Speaker 2>That's when they do, right. The ones who crow about

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<v Speaker 2>their service and like tilt tales of daring do and

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<v Speaker 2>like missions in combat and like bragging about it. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>they generally never saw anything, generally bes artists.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So in the US, there's actually a federal law against

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<v Speaker 2>stolen valor. So you can get fined or even do

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<v Speaker 2>time if you misrepresent your service, particularly if you say

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<v Speaker 2>that you were the recipient of a medal or like

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<v Speaker 2>a badge or other honor.

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<v Speaker 3>And is the qualifying part that makes a criminal that

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<v Speaker 3>you are receiving money or goods.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you have like the fraud with intent to get

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<v Speaker 2>money or.

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<v Speaker 3>So it's essentially a type of fraud.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, or like a tangible benefit.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh benefit, like prep prioritized housing.

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<v Speaker 2>The guy exactly, the guy who sits at the end

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<v Speaker 2>of the bar regaling other barflies with like tales of

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<v Speaker 2>his time in country, isn't really breaking the law until

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<v Speaker 2>someone buys him drink and things, and then he is Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I would suppose so technically.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, because he's getting something again stolen valor.

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<v Speaker 2>There are a lot of military impostors, and I want

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<v Speaker 2>to tell you about some some who are just plain ridiculous,

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<v Speaker 2>But there have also been really high profile military impostors.

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<v Speaker 3>I used to be a military and postor. You know

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<v Speaker 3>some people with military reenactors. I used to pretend that

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<v Speaker 3>I was in the Civil War and go to military

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<v Speaker 3>reenactor places and just wearing like the wrong costume and

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<v Speaker 3>just be like what. I'm like, I'm the guy who

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<v Speaker 3>stole the costume in the Civil War. You need them too,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm just trying to get out of here. I'm the

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<v Speaker 3>guy who's lying to get out of war. It's part

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<v Speaker 3>of war. Just like this guy. I'm not allowed in

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<v Speaker 3>two states.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, let me tell you about a classic military impostor

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<v Speaker 2>none other than l. Ron Hubbard, science really science fiction

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<v Speaker 2>author and founder of Scientology would be so the like

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<v Speaker 2>quote unquote Church of Scientology. They say that Hubbard was

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<v Speaker 2>a quote much decorated war hero who commanded a corvette

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<v Speaker 2>and during hostilities was crippled and wounded.

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<v Speaker 3>Now you mean the ship and not the car.

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<v Speaker 2>The car exactly so that. They also say that he

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<v Speaker 2>served in quote all five theaters of World War two,

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<v Speaker 2>which is mind blowing sane, and that he was awarded

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<v Speaker 2>quote twenty one medals in pot service.

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<v Speaker 3>What are all five? I'm going over my head in Europe, Africa,

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<v Speaker 3>Asia Pacific. The Asia Pacific is one, and then I

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<v Speaker 3>got the eastern front of Russia. I guess I imagine,

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<v Speaker 3>but Russia, Poland, you know, right space? Or is it

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<v Speaker 3>is Europe brooking into Western East?

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<v Speaker 2>It could be?

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<v Speaker 3>Is it just one theater?

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<v Speaker 2>Europe, Africa, Pacific?

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<v Speaker 3>All right, I'm running into you. Gotta what Arctic there

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<v Speaker 3>was like battles up.

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<v Speaker 2>At the I'm going to reach out and tell us, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I want to know is the other one like South

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<v Speaker 2>America Space. Okay, so he said they won twenty one medals.

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<v Speaker 3>That's crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So, according to the scientologists, he was quote severely

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<v Speaker 2>wounded and was taken crippled and blocked to a military hospital,

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<v Speaker 2>where he quote worked his way back to fitness, strength,

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<v Speaker 2>and full perception in less than two years, using only

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<v Speaker 2>what he knew and could determine about man and his

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<v Speaker 2>relationship to the universe. Wait, what, yeah, the Tom Cruise

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<v Speaker 2>of it all. So was el Ron in the military? Yes?

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<v Speaker 5>Was he was?

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<v Speaker 2>He was in the he was in the service. Was

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<v Speaker 2>he a Tom Cruise esque super soldier? No, not on

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<v Speaker 2>your life. So according to the experts.

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<v Speaker 3>He didn't even say anybody, which.

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<v Speaker 2>Means official Navy service records. Sure, his military performance was

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<v Speaker 2>at times quote substandard.

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<v Speaker 3>He was.

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<v Speaker 2>He did get some campaign medals, but he was never injured.

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<v Speaker 3>That just means you were a place.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, never wounded. He didn't get the purple heart that

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<v Speaker 2>he said he did.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh if he wasn't wounded.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, most of his military service was spent on US

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<v Speaker 2>soil in the lower forty eighth in administrative work or training.

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<v Speaker 3>Do he defended Nebraska?

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>He he briefly commanded two anti submarine vessels. But he

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<v Speaker 2>did that in coastal waters off of Massachusetts, Oregon in California. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't remember forty two, forty three.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't remember Massachusetts being sunk by any submarine.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So in June of forty two, he gets command

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<v Speaker 2>of a patrol boat at the Boston Navy Yard. But

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<v Speaker 2>he lost that post like really quickly because the Navy

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<v Speaker 2>made this determination that he was quote not temperamentally fitted

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<v Speaker 2>for independent command.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, can't let him take the boat out by himself.

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<v Speaker 2>No, forty three, they give him command of a submarine chaser.

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<v Speaker 2>He was in leadership of that for only five hours

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<v Speaker 2>when he was like, I detected an enemy submarine.

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<v Speaker 3>Off of five hours to lunch.

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<v Speaker 2>So then he and the crew spent the next sixty

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<v Speaker 2>eight hours engaged in quote combat.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, almost three full days.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they came up empty. The Navy investigated. They figured

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<v Speaker 2>out that he had mistaken a quote known magnetic deposit

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<v Speaker 2>for an enemy sub anomenally eight hours chasing.

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<v Speaker 3>Around this magnetic segment.

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<v Speaker 2>So the next month he unwittingly fired upon Mexican territory,

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<v Speaker 2>and then he was relieved of command. So that's all.

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<v Speaker 2>As to like his crippling in battle in June of

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen forty two, Navy records show that he was suffering

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<v Speaker 2>from quote active conjunctiviis end quote pink basically ureath thraw discharges.

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<v Speaker 2>So he had pink eye and a leap. Yeah. After

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<v Speaker 2>his brief run as a wayward subchaser, he started getting

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<v Speaker 2>sick a lot. He complained that he had ulcers, malaria,

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<v Speaker 2>back pain. So in July, for yeah, he was like,

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<v Speaker 2>so he gets checked into the San die Go Naval

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<v Speaker 2>Hospital for observation. He lays up there for months.

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<v Speaker 3>I got the sleep fever and like.

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<v Speaker 2>While like, by laying in the hospital bed, he avoids

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of heat from his commanding officers because they

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<v Speaker 2>come in. He's like, so he faked his record in

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<v Speaker 2>order to get ahead and lend himself an air of credibility.

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<v Speaker 2>But that's like his whole career, right whatever, As it

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<v Speaker 2>is known, he has said to many people. He said

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<v Speaker 2>to many people over the years, quote, you don't get

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<v Speaker 2>rich writing science fiction. If you want to get rich,

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<v Speaker 2>you start a religion. That's so, I mean that tracks

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<v Speaker 2>with his whole career.

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<v Speaker 3>So he wanted to get rich.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's what you're telling you. Yeah, you want to

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<v Speaker 2>know who else was a military impostor actor? Brian Denahey,

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<v Speaker 2>what yah? He enlisted in the Marines in nineteen fifty

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<v Speaker 2>eight and he served until nineteen sixty three, and one

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<v Speaker 2>of his posts involved playing football on Okinawa.

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<v Speaker 3>Are you kidding now, I'm not kidding you, big square guy.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So, after he reached fame as an actor, his

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<v Speaker 2>breakthrough role as Sheriff Will Teasel in First Blood.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh huh nineteen eighty two, Sylvester.

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<v Speaker 2>Saloons John Rambo, he starts talking about his military service

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<v Speaker 2>in interviews, but he's not like, oh, I played football

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<v Speaker 2>in Okinawa. He told interviewers that he served in Vietnam

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<v Speaker 2>and that he was wounded in combat. So remember he

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<v Speaker 2>gets out of the Marines in sixty three. Gulf of

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<v Speaker 2>Tonkin is sixty four, Like he could have been one

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<v Speaker 2>of those advisors.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but they were, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>The other military as.

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<v Speaker 3>Military advisors.

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<v Speaker 2>So you could like, maybe I'll give him the benefit

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<v Speaker 2>of that. But in nineteen ninety nine he issued an

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<v Speaker 2>apology quote, I lied about serving in Vietnam, and I'm sorry.

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<v Speaker 2>I did not mean to take away from the actions

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<v Speaker 2>and the sacrifices of the ones who really did serve there.

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<v Speaker 2>I did steal valor. That was very wrong of me.

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<v Speaker 2>There is no excuse for that. Good for him for

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<v Speaker 2>after that? Like is it a sort of survivor's guilt

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<v Speaker 2>that makes men and create these narratives for themselves and

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<v Speaker 2>get swept up in it? Like maybe they don't want

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<v Speaker 2>to state outright that they missed out on the fire

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<v Speaker 2>because that would be embarrassing.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I think they also just want to like it's

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<v Speaker 3>it's I mean, I don't know how to best put it,

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<v Speaker 3>but basically it's like a test of being a man's man,

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<v Speaker 3>right if you didn't get that opportunity, A lot of

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<v Speaker 3>guys would just fudge it because they can't stand the

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<v Speaker 3>fact that they didn't ever do it. I mean I

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<v Speaker 3>never joined the military. I often sometimes even now year

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<v Speaker 3>decades later ago, I wonder would have been like if

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<v Speaker 3>I did, if I'd have been much more called onto

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<v Speaker 3>the carpet of being a man's man all the time.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it probably would have stung ab come hanging

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<v Speaker 3>around a lot of guys who are I mean, John

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<v Speaker 3>Wayne used to get all sorts of crap from John Ford,

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<v Speaker 3>the film director, because he didn't really serve right, and

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<v Speaker 3>John forbe was like active in the war. So they

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<v Speaker 3>used to used to make all of the guys who

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<v Speaker 3>were on Western heroes who were real veterans. Yeah, they

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<v Speaker 3>all made fun of John Wayne. Seeing Charles Derning from

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<v Speaker 3>bessel Horrause in Texas, he plays the governor Texas. He's

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<v Speaker 3>one of the most decorated heroes of World War Two

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<v Speaker 3>and he's an actor. I would have loved to I've

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<v Speaker 3>seen him give Dennie some pretty sure that they were

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<v Speaker 3>in sant circle.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, here's another one for you. You mentioned a

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<v Speaker 2>military impostor here to me before I did. Yeah, the

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<v Speaker 2>dread Joseph McCarthy. Oh yeah, hophead and US senator from

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<v Speaker 2>Wisconsin who destroyed the Yeah, exactly.

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<v Speaker 5>So.

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<v Speaker 2>He said that he was in thirty two aerial missions

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<v Speaker 2>in World War two. Uh huh, qualified for a Distinguished

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<v Speaker 2>Flying Cross as well as an Air Medal. Said he

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<v Speaker 2>was injured in battle, messed up his leg. He also

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<v Speaker 2>had a letter of commendations signed by his commanding officer

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<v Speaker 2>in chief of Naval Operations, Admiral Chester Nimits. Yes, Chester Nimmits,

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<v Speaker 2>here's the truth. He did in fact join the Marines

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<v Speaker 2>in forty two, and a lot of this you covered,

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<v Speaker 2>but i'll repeat it. So he served as an intelligence

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<v Speaker 2>briefing officer for a dive bomber squadron. He volunteered to

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<v Speaker 2>fly twelve missions as a gunner observer.

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<v Speaker 3>Intelligence briefing means he points at the map in the

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<v Speaker 3>mornings and says, here's where you guys go a little bit.

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<v Speaker 3>I'll be here when you get.

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<v Speaker 2>Back, sitting at this desk. The missions that he did

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<v Speaker 2>fly as a gunner observer were pretty safe. That wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>an active combat dropping food after the well after one

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<v Speaker 2>where they let him shoot as much ammunition as he

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to, like mainly at coconut trees. He was given

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<v Speaker 2>that name Tailgunner Joe, and the medals that he got.

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<v Speaker 2>He used his political influence to pressure the Marines ten

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<v Speaker 2>years after he joined to get the awards. The letter

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<v Speaker 2>from Nimetz, you know, McCarthy signed, wrote it himself.

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<v Speaker 3>He wrote the letter writes.

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<v Speaker 2>And here sign this, and then like so then Nimet

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<v Speaker 2>sees that the commander's name is on its sign and

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<v Speaker 2>he's like, you know, just whatever, that's what he's using.

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<v Speaker 3>And he's also signing a bunch of other letters right

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<v Speaker 3>of accommodations. It's kind of like just in thes.

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<v Speaker 2>They've been pre approved. Yeah, those war wounds. He had

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<v Speaker 2>a messed up leg, not because of a plane crash

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<v Speaker 2>or anti aircraft fire like he said. He broke his

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<v Speaker 2>leg during the crossing of the Equator celebration.

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<v Speaker 3>Like the turtle celebration.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, shell back now, yeah, he breaks it partying while

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<v Speaker 6>wearing like a hula skirt and a war wound exactly,

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<v Speaker 6>And so that's why people got like it would crack

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<v Speaker 6>themselves up, calling him tail gunner.

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<v Speaker 2>Joe. Let me give you one more famous military impossible.

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<v Speaker 2>Ferdinand marcos No, the one who was President of the

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<v Speaker 2>Philippines from sixty five. So while he was campaigning, he

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<v Speaker 2>said he was quote the most decorated war hero of

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<v Speaker 2>the Philippines. Well, how so he's like, I earned thirty

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<v Speaker 2>three war medals, including the Distinguished Service Cross in the

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<v Speaker 2>Medal of Honor, he's like telling everyone he led a

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<v Speaker 2>gorilla force of nine thousand men.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Now, he did fight in World War two w

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<v Speaker 2>W two, and he did get a couple of awards.

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<v Speaker 2>He got the Gold Cross and the Distinguished Service star.

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<v Speaker 2>But both of those are contested. Oh yeah, and the

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<v Speaker 2>Gorilla Force leadership is total No, that's made up. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>he told that lie, not just for increased esteem and respect.

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<v Speaker 2>He busted out the stolen valor because he told people

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<v Speaker 2>all this stuff in order to get reparations in back pay.

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<v Speaker 2>What Yeah, so straight up fraud. Amelda needed choes. It

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<v Speaker 2>was straight up fraud. So those are Those are a

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<v Speaker 2>few famous military imposters.

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<v Speaker 3>What about your nine thousand person army that you let

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<v Speaker 3>They all died.

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<v Speaker 2>They all died. I was amazing to survive it.

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<v Speaker 3>We want our last battle.

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<v Speaker 2>They all died. Those guys are ridiculous. But I have

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of seriously audacious ones for you, ones who

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<v Speaker 2>faked it until they made it and did so in

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<v Speaker 2>absolutely ridiculous ways. Let's take a break for ads, and

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<v Speaker 2>then I'm going to unleash these beasts.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm going to reset for audacity.

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<v Speaker 2>Dude, you are going to love this story I have

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<v Speaker 2>for you. You and I we get a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>giggles out of the eighties mercenary super soldier thing. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>we do, like Arnold and Commando Rambo first Blood and

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<v Speaker 2>because there's like always sort of a martial arts component.

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<v Speaker 2>The hero has training from the mysterious East. Yes, always,

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<v Speaker 2>and they're not specific, it's just vaguely Asian. So martial

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<v Speaker 2>arts can be really beneficial, like health.

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<v Speaker 3>Wise, especially for kids.

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<v Speaker 2>Good balance, discipline, not like all about defending yourself in

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<v Speaker 2>a dark alley, but it imparts the confidence to face situations.

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<v Speaker 2>He can count to ten in Korean thanks to taekwon,

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<v Speaker 2>and he pays attention better because it is.

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<v Speaker 3>Also cleans around house.

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<v Speaker 2>You're saying he cleans. He's more disciplined with that because

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<v Speaker 2>they encourage him to clean at home and help out

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<v Speaker 2>without being asked. Yeah, and like he's spatially aware and

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<v Speaker 2>he's just so blasted cute in his little fighting outfit.

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<v Speaker 2>So cute anyway. You know who else felt cute in

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<v Speaker 2>a fighting outfit? Fella by the name of Frank Dukes.

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<v Speaker 3>Frank Dukes. Why's the name sound familiar?

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<v Speaker 2>Du x Oh, I don't know this Dukes? Canadian guy

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<v Speaker 2>born in nineteen fifty six in Toronto.

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<v Speaker 3>Are we sure it's not Frank Ducks.

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<v Speaker 2>It's Dukes. Okay, you're gonna find out.

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<v Speaker 5>Never.

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<v Speaker 2>His family moved to Los Angeles when he was seven,

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<v Speaker 2>and he says he was just like a nerdy kid

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<v Speaker 2>in North Hollywood. His dad, Yeah, his dad was from

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<v Speaker 2>this European Jewish family fought against the Nazis. In nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>eighty two, Dukes told the La Valley College magazine Crown

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<v Speaker 2>that his dad would quote play games with me to

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<v Speaker 2>expand my awareness. Sometimes he would throw things at me

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<v Speaker 2>unexpectedly to improve my reflexes. I know if that's why

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<v Speaker 2>he did that.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, is that the story you tell yourself?

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<v Speaker 2>His backstory?

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<v Speaker 3>Sometimes he takes swings at me just to test my reflexes.

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<v Speaker 3>Othertimes he verbally assault me just to test my replexes.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you for the training. So his legend is that

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<v Speaker 2>he was introduced to and trained in ninjuitsu. Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>by Senzo Tiger Tanaka of the Ninja. Yeah, exactly. Ninjutsu

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<v Speaker 2>is ninja warfare. He was basically trained to be a ninja.

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<v Speaker 3>Totally American ninja.

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<v Speaker 2>Guys. Here, totally ninja means one who is invisible or

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<v Speaker 2>one who sneaks.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you, by the way for putting it in G

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<v Speaker 3>I Joe terms, so I can understand. I really I

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<v Speaker 3>appreciate the ah. Yes, like snake eyes and storm shadow

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<v Speaker 3>go on. So as you're saying being invisible.

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<v Speaker 2>Wait, snake eyes was in ninja, right, yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>I was like, oh no ninja bad ninja.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, yeah yeah, So Japanese in origin adopted brothers too,

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<v Speaker 2>they were I go on, there's a loto cannon jaijojijo wiki.

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<v Speaker 2>So Japanese ninjas are Japanese, but they're based on Chinese

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<v Speaker 2>military strategy, you know, art of war and all that,

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<v Speaker 2>and so there are forty eight points to a ninja's

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<v Speaker 2>fighting technique. Stuff like how to make throwing stars out

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<v Speaker 2>of bamboo.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yes, I was a nine year old boy.

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<v Speaker 2>How to make shoes that are silent, you know, then

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<v Speaker 2>little slippers. Fighting a bunch of dudes at once, like

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<v Speaker 2>especially when they all stand around you in a circle

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<v Speaker 2>their turns.

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<v Speaker 3>How to fight a number fighting.

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<v Speaker 2>How to fight with a sword at night, Oh different.

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<v Speaker 3>Very careful, blinding reflections.

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<v Speaker 2>How to listen to small sounds.

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<v Speaker 3>Like squirrels and stuff beats, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Squirrels, and then like you know, the.

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<v Speaker 3>Wind, the sound of a child laughter in the distance.

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<v Speaker 2>Ice cream trucks. They learn little moras that keep guard

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<v Speaker 2>dogs from barking, like things that they can repeat to

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<v Speaker 2>guard dogs. It's like, oh, Okay, bro, okay, we're cool.

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<v Speaker 3>I know they also learned makeup, sure they do. They

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<v Speaker 3>carry a makeup literally, ninjas carry a makeup kit just

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<v Speaker 3>like the grooge and everything, so they could then affect

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<v Speaker 3>the dress of a COURTI.

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<v Speaker 2>Is in okay, all right? Interesting, Well Frank Duke's he

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<v Speaker 2>learned all that. Yeah, and he learned it from a

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<v Speaker 2>quote world famous teacher who was the descendant of forty

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<v Speaker 2>generations of warriors. Ah Senzo Tiger Tanaka. Hey, Dizzy, why

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<v Speaker 2>is it my nickname Tiger?

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<v Speaker 3>That's waiting for you to bring that up just the

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<v Speaker 3>other day, Like if you give yourself a nickname, which

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<v Speaker 3>I did with Dizzy, I think it's only fair that

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<v Speaker 3>you be Tiger give yourself a nickname. But I want

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<v Speaker 3>to extend it and call your nickname is Tiger Tanaka too.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just a dizzy and Tiger.

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<v Speaker 3>I like that.

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<v Speaker 2>So according to Tig Yeah, according to Duke's, Tiger Tanaka

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<v Speaker 2>brought him to Masuda, Japan when he was only sixteen

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<v Speaker 2>for ninja training. It's so correct. It's it's child trafficking.

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<v Speaker 2>Quote we quote. We developed a kinship like no other,

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<v Speaker 2>Duke said about Tiger. Here's what Dukes wrote in basically

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<v Speaker 2>his his biography. He wrote, but like the third person, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>so of course quote the best people do. When the

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<v Speaker 2>boy reached sixteen years of age, Tanaka brought him to

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<v Speaker 2>Japan to the legendary ninja land of Masuda. There, the

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<v Speaker 2>boy's outstanding abilities shocked and pleased the ninja community when

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<v Speaker 2>he tested for the right to call himself Ninja.

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<v Speaker 3>This sounds like Ska was telling the story. It sounds

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<v Speaker 3>like a Middle Ages tale.

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<v Speaker 2>Brought and in the manuscript that he has, he says

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<v Speaker 2>that Tiger was found dead on July thirtieth, nineteen seventy five,

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<v Speaker 2>and he was buried by a group of ninjas in California.

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<v Speaker 2>And I don't know why, but in my head, it's

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<v Speaker 2>like guys in ninja costumes in like the San Bernardino

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<v Speaker 2>Mountains just digging a Hole's that's the way I saw that.

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<v Speaker 3>It's amazing, Yeah, silently, just sitting there, sweating, digging a hole.

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<v Speaker 2>Here's the thing, though there's no record of Tiger in

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<v Speaker 2>any historical text or from any martial arts.

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<v Speaker 3>I've never heard the name before.

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<v Speaker 2>There's no death record for him in California at any

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<v Speaker 2>time during the nineteen seven, and.

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<v Speaker 3>I used to buy ninja stars and go to Chinatown

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<v Speaker 3>as a boy.

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<v Speaker 2>Dukes explains this a way by saying that Tiger lived

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<v Speaker 2>under an assumed na of course.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, in a community you've never heard of, part of

0:23:44.040 --> 0:23:45.360
<v Speaker 3>an ancient tradition of silence.

0:23:45.520 --> 0:23:51.199
<v Speaker 2>Shotto Tanamora, an actual recognized ninja master. He said in

0:23:51.240 --> 0:23:54.399
<v Speaker 2>an interview that he had never heard of Dukes or Tiger.

0:23:54.720 --> 0:23:55.760
<v Speaker 3>I don't know either one of them.

0:23:55.840 --> 0:23:59.119
<v Speaker 2>He was like, quote, there is no mister Tanaka in

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<v Speaker 2>Japanese history of the ninja family, of.

0:24:01.480 --> 0:24:03.320
<v Speaker 3>Course, yeah, and they are all known. That's one of

0:24:03.320 --> 0:24:05.680
<v Speaker 3>the other things Japan great record keeping.

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<v Speaker 2>So Tanimura said that the nickname Tiger was used by

0:24:09.760 --> 0:24:13.600
<v Speaker 2>a well known master in Japan who's dead, and he said, quote,

0:24:13.760 --> 0:24:18.000
<v Speaker 2>many crazy guys stand up as ninja masters, but there

0:24:18.160 --> 0:24:19.760
<v Speaker 2>is Jesus ninja masters.

0:24:19.800 --> 0:24:21.399
<v Speaker 3>These are common roles for the crazy.

0:24:21.640 --> 0:24:25.600
<v Speaker 2>There is a Tiger Tanaka, he just exists. In fiction.

0:24:26.560 --> 0:24:29.840
<v Speaker 2>Tiger Tanaka is a character a Japanese agent in the

0:24:30.000 --> 0:24:33.240
<v Speaker 2>Ian Fleming novel and James Bond film You Only Live Twice.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, is it a girl?

0:24:35.000 --> 0:24:37.520
<v Speaker 2>No, a guy, It's a guy. When asked about that,

0:24:37.640 --> 0:24:40.600
<v Speaker 2>Duke said, Ian Fleming used to base his characters on

0:24:40.640 --> 0:24:41.200
<v Speaker 2>real people.

0:24:41.280 --> 0:24:43.439
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he's a super spike guy. He knows you and

0:24:43.480 --> 0:24:43.920
<v Speaker 3>I don't.

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<v Speaker 2>So he gets his ninja training course, then he goes

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<v Speaker 2>into the Marines.

0:24:49.320 --> 0:24:51.760
<v Speaker 3>Why just that's just downgrading. I mean, the man's a

0:24:51.880 --> 0:24:53.479
<v Speaker 3>living ice weapon.

0:24:53.560 --> 0:24:54.600
<v Speaker 2>I smell a movie coming.

0:24:56.240 --> 0:24:59.240
<v Speaker 3>Claude van Dam write this day.

0:24:58.359 --> 0:25:02.119
<v Speaker 2>Oh oh. He was in the Marines from nineteen seventy

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<v Speaker 2>five to nineteen eighty one. And during this period of time,

0:25:05.240 --> 0:25:07.440
<v Speaker 2>Uncle Sam sent him on secret missions.

0:25:07.560 --> 0:25:09.480
<v Speaker 3>You think it's Vietnam done, Okay, I'll check out.

0:25:09.840 --> 0:25:12.640
<v Speaker 2>Secret missions in Southeast Asia.

0:25:12.720 --> 0:25:13.360
<v Speaker 3>Oh he went back.

0:25:13.400 --> 0:25:16.119
<v Speaker 2>He's not over to the bamboo flutes like he's.

0:25:16.040 --> 0:25:19.159
<v Speaker 3>Going to get the mia POWs.

0:25:19.520 --> 0:25:22.040
<v Speaker 2>So while on these missions, he did a lot of stuff.

0:25:22.200 --> 0:25:25.320
<v Speaker 2>He did covert stuff, stuff he can't really talk about

0:25:25.359 --> 0:25:29.360
<v Speaker 2>rambo stuff. Yeah. He was described in Black Belt magazine, which.

0:25:31.320 --> 0:25:32.720
<v Speaker 3>Magazine ever as being.

0:25:32.600 --> 0:25:36.920
<v Speaker 2>Quote decorated for his blade fighting techniques in actual combat

0:25:36.960 --> 0:25:38.720
<v Speaker 2>in Southeast Asia.

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<v Speaker 3>You know how it goes. When you were like reading

0:25:40.560 --> 0:25:42.480
<v Speaker 3>books and going to school, he was studying the blade.

0:25:42.520 --> 0:25:46.680
<v Speaker 2>He was studying the blade decorated, You say, Elizabeth, yes, yes, Sensey,

0:25:46.800 --> 0:25:49.720
<v Speaker 2>how decorated Elizabeth great questions, Aaron, He said he did

0:25:49.800 --> 0:25:54.159
<v Speaker 2>earn a secret medal of honor for his work. Secret

0:25:54.320 --> 0:25:58.400
<v Speaker 2>and there wassible. There was a secret ceremony in which

0:25:58.400 --> 0:26:00.800
<v Speaker 2>it was granted him secretly. He can't tell you any

0:26:00.840 --> 0:26:01.680
<v Speaker 2>more about it.

0:26:01.680 --> 0:26:02.280
<v Speaker 3>It's a secret.

0:26:03.200 --> 0:26:09.480
<v Speaker 2>He opened ninjutsu schools, multiple schools. Yeah, and naturally you

0:26:09.480 --> 0:26:11.880
<v Speaker 2>know he did that. And in the brochures it says

0:26:11.920 --> 0:26:14.800
<v Speaker 2>he's quote one of the most decorated veterans of the

0:26:14.840 --> 0:26:21.679
<v Speaker 2>Southeast Asian conflict. So at his house he had newspaper

0:26:21.720 --> 0:26:26.080
<v Speaker 2>clippings about himself displayed. One was an editorial called a

0:26:26.200 --> 0:26:31.080
<v Speaker 2>Silent Hero from the Washington Star Washington. Yeah, little problem.

0:26:31.080 --> 0:26:33.680
<v Speaker 2>That is a newspaper, but their archives have no clippings

0:26:33.720 --> 0:26:38.000
<v Speaker 2>about him. And then the phony editorial quotes from a

0:26:38.000 --> 0:26:43.960
<v Speaker 2>commanding officer's diary quote, we're hungry, we're tired, we're all

0:26:44.000 --> 0:26:46.800
<v Speaker 2>out of AMMO. We all might go mad if not

0:26:46.920 --> 0:26:49.399
<v Speaker 2>for a spunky kid named Duke for short.

0:26:50.960 --> 0:26:51.240
<v Speaker 5>Wow.

0:26:51.320 --> 0:26:51.560
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:26:51.600 --> 0:26:55.399
<v Speaker 2>It goes on to talk about Duke's crawling through a

0:26:55.440 --> 0:26:58.840
<v Speaker 2>minefield to rescue an Asian baby that he later turned

0:26:58.840 --> 0:27:00.399
<v Speaker 2>over to a Taoist priest.

0:27:00.840 --> 0:27:01.119
<v Speaker 3>Nice.

0:27:01.200 --> 0:27:05.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And you're right. His name is spelled Dux anyway. Okay,

0:27:05.840 --> 0:27:08.880
<v Speaker 2>when this is the other part of it quote when

0:27:08.920 --> 0:27:13.440
<v Speaker 2>we almost gave up, the Duke by himself charged the gun.

0:27:14.320 --> 0:27:17.119
<v Speaker 2>The next thing you know, the Duke was behind the gun,

0:27:17.800 --> 0:27:19.040
<v Speaker 2>cutting the enemy.

0:27:18.840 --> 0:27:20.960
<v Speaker 3>To pieces, not ribbons.

0:27:21.320 --> 0:27:24.480
<v Speaker 2>He must have killed a hundred at least. He turned

0:27:24.480 --> 0:27:27.920
<v Speaker 2>defeat into victory. One hundred at least. I don't know.

0:27:28.119 --> 0:27:30.720
<v Speaker 3>One of their greatest heroes of World War One. Weack

0:27:30.760 --> 0:27:32.439
<v Speaker 3>when people would do a lot of fighting hand by

0:27:32.520 --> 0:27:34.800
<v Speaker 3>him and the storm, you know, in the trenches and everything,

0:27:34.840 --> 0:27:37.640
<v Speaker 3>and go into a hole. He killed twenty people and

0:27:37.800 --> 0:27:40.359
<v Speaker 3>like that was over the whole night. And that was

0:27:40.400 --> 0:27:42.760
<v Speaker 3>in defense of somebody else who couldn't escape and they

0:27:42.760 --> 0:27:46.080
<v Speaker 3>were charging him. This guy killed one hundred people or

0:27:46.160 --> 0:27:48.880
<v Speaker 3>so at least in front of witnesses at least. None

0:27:48.920 --> 0:27:51.919
<v Speaker 3>of them fought to go help him, hard to anything there.

0:27:52.520 --> 0:27:54.639
<v Speaker 2>And they were tired and they were out of AMMO.

0:27:55.800 --> 0:27:59.719
<v Speaker 2>So so, Yes, he was in the Marine Corps from

0:27:59.760 --> 0:28:00.920
<v Speaker 2>seven twenty five to eighty.

0:28:00.720 --> 0:28:01.960
<v Speaker 3>One, and he is a real person.

0:28:02.400 --> 0:28:06.439
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but he never left the United States. In fact,

0:28:07.320 --> 0:28:11.000
<v Speaker 2>he never left San Diego. The scariest thing that he

0:28:11.040 --> 0:28:13.720
<v Speaker 2>did there was fall off a truck on purpose. He

0:28:13.720 --> 0:28:17.439
<v Speaker 2>fell up well accidentally. His military medical file said that

0:28:17.480 --> 0:28:20.440
<v Speaker 2>on January twenty second, nineteen seventy eight, he was referred

0:28:20.480 --> 0:28:26.480
<v Speaker 2>for psychiatric evaluation, quote expressing flighty and disconnected ideas about

0:28:26.480 --> 0:28:30.119
<v Speaker 2>his supposed intelligence work. Oh right, yeah, And then a

0:28:30.160 --> 0:28:33.600
<v Speaker 2>follow up medical evaluation at a military psychiatric clinic in

0:28:33.680 --> 0:28:35.959
<v Speaker 2>Long Beach. They found him fine. They're like, hey, he's

0:28:35.960 --> 0:28:36.439
<v Speaker 2>all right.

0:28:36.320 --> 0:28:37.359
<v Speaker 3>He's good to hold a gun.

0:28:37.440 --> 0:28:40.760
<v Speaker 2>They said that his only possible intelligence work was being

0:28:42.280 --> 0:28:46.280
<v Speaker 2>sort of involved in gathering information about one individual. Oh

0:28:46.400 --> 0:28:47.880
<v Speaker 2>so he did something.

0:28:48.400 --> 0:28:49.760
<v Speaker 3>I wonder if the military has to deal with this

0:28:49.800 --> 0:28:52.760
<v Speaker 3>a lot people who are just absolutely out of their gazebo.

0:28:53.720 --> 0:28:55.200
<v Speaker 3>I want to be a super spy. I want to

0:28:55.200 --> 0:28:56.040
<v Speaker 3>be a super soldier.

0:28:56.120 --> 0:29:00.240
<v Speaker 2>But dukes, He said, the military sabotaged his record to

0:29:00.280 --> 0:29:01.080
<v Speaker 2>discredit him.

0:29:01.200 --> 0:29:02.440
<v Speaker 3>Of course they did, Elizabeth.

0:29:02.480 --> 0:29:07.160
<v Speaker 2>It's a very old scandal slash Michael Larson move. He

0:29:07.240 --> 0:29:10.520
<v Speaker 2>claimed that the government did not know how much he

0:29:10.600 --> 0:29:15.080
<v Speaker 2>knew about other covert operations, so they messed with his

0:29:15.280 --> 0:29:19.440
<v Speaker 2>file to destroy his credibility. I'm not wrong, They're wrong exactly.

0:29:19.640 --> 0:29:21.880
<v Speaker 2>They want you to think I'm wrong. Of course they

0:29:22.000 --> 0:29:24.720
<v Speaker 2>tell you that I know too much. He said he

0:29:24.800 --> 0:29:29.040
<v Speaker 2>wasn't getting the decorations he deserved, so he said that

0:29:29.080 --> 0:29:32.719
<v Speaker 2>he just nagged them and bugged them. Yeah, until one

0:29:32.800 --> 0:29:34.520
<v Speaker 2>day he gets a phone call telling him to go

0:29:34.560 --> 0:29:37.480
<v Speaker 2>to an address in West la And he gets there

0:29:37.640 --> 0:29:42.680
<v Speaker 2>and someone hands him a paper bag full of military medals.

0:29:42.720 --> 0:29:42.920
<v Speaker 5>Mari.

0:29:43.640 --> 0:29:46.400
<v Speaker 2>Marine Lieutenant Colonel John Shotwell.

0:29:45.840 --> 0:29:47.880
<v Speaker 3>I'm picturing like a lunch bag of medals.

0:29:47.960 --> 0:29:52.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Oh yeah, so Lieutenant Colonel Shotwell in DC, he said,

0:29:52.200 --> 0:29:56.080
<v Speaker 2>Duke's military file shows there is quote no indication in

0:29:56.120 --> 0:29:59.520
<v Speaker 2>there anywhere that Duke's got any military awards.

0:29:59.720 --> 0:30:00.640
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, why would he?

0:30:00.920 --> 0:30:04.560
<v Speaker 2>We got a paper it's a secret, Sarah, I forgot right. Uh.

0:30:05.000 --> 0:30:08.240
<v Speaker 2>Marine Lieutenant Colonel David Tomsky was shown a photo of

0:30:08.320 --> 0:30:11.160
<v Speaker 2>Duke's in uniform with his medals, and he said, a

0:30:11.200 --> 0:30:13.160
<v Speaker 2>bunch of the ribbons were worn out of sequence.

0:30:13.280 --> 0:30:14.920
<v Speaker 3>That's what I was about to say. We've talked about

0:30:14.920 --> 0:30:15.840
<v Speaker 3>this because of scandal.

0:30:15.920 --> 0:30:19.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Tomsky said, quote, I do not believe there has

0:30:19.440 --> 0:30:22.320
<v Speaker 2>ever been an instance of the medal of honor being

0:30:22.360 --> 0:30:27.480
<v Speaker 2>bestowed secretly. And then one of the medals that he

0:30:27.520 --> 0:30:29.600
<v Speaker 2>wore in the photo was an Army medal. Not a

0:30:29.640 --> 0:30:34.000
<v Speaker 2>Marine medal, and Duke said he wasn't able to get

0:30:34.000 --> 0:30:36.720
<v Speaker 2>the military to explain why he was given medals from

0:30:36.760 --> 0:30:38.200
<v Speaker 2>different branches of the service.

0:30:38.440 --> 0:30:41.680
<v Speaker 3>I thought that that gave out secret medals was a

0:30:41.720 --> 0:30:44.560
<v Speaker 3>CIA because you can't know who their agents are. Sure,

0:30:45.120 --> 0:30:46.760
<v Speaker 3>of all the government agencies, I thought they were the

0:30:46.840 --> 0:30:47.360
<v Speaker 3>only one.

0:30:47.200 --> 0:30:50.480
<v Speaker 2>Who really Well, maybe he was CIA. So we have

0:30:50.560 --> 0:30:53.920
<v Speaker 2>this war hero trained as a ninja, of course, he

0:30:54.040 --> 0:30:57.440
<v Speaker 2>said his phony master's phony last wish on his phony

0:30:57.480 --> 0:31:01.280
<v Speaker 2>deathbed was that Dukes participate in something called the Kumi

0:31:01.360 --> 0:31:05.040
<v Speaker 2>tem tem te. What is the km on a surface?

0:31:05.160 --> 0:31:07.520
<v Speaker 2>Koumi te is the name for the part in karate

0:31:07.600 --> 0:31:11.480
<v Speaker 2>training where you fight another person, basically scrimmage. But this

0:31:11.680 --> 0:31:17.080
<v Speaker 2>was the Kumi te oh omega no holds barred mixed

0:31:17.120 --> 0:31:21.320
<v Speaker 2>martial arts battle in which fighters faced off in sixty

0:31:21.440 --> 0:31:23.120
<v Speaker 2>rounds of hand to hand combat.

0:31:23.160 --> 0:31:25.880
<v Speaker 3>Did this take place on an abandoned island in the

0:31:25.920 --> 0:31:29.120
<v Speaker 3>Asian Pacific, Yes, and run by a man who had

0:31:29.200 --> 0:31:30.240
<v Speaker 3>claws for a hand.

0:31:31.240 --> 0:31:33.600
<v Speaker 2>It's held in secret every five years.

0:31:33.720 --> 0:31:33.880
<v Speaker 5>Yes.

0:31:35.000 --> 0:31:39.160
<v Speaker 2>Dukes was apparently secretly invited to the Kumi Te Championship

0:31:39.240 --> 0:31:41.600
<v Speaker 2>in Nassau, Bahamas in nineteen seventy five.

0:31:41.680 --> 0:31:42.800
<v Speaker 3>Oh like entered the Dragon.

0:31:43.040 --> 0:31:46.880
<v Speaker 2>Yes, so he wanted to fulfill Tiger's dying wish that

0:31:46.920 --> 0:31:49.600
<v Speaker 2>he'd go there and wreck shop. And he did, and

0:31:49.640 --> 0:31:52.920
<v Speaker 2>he did so he was the first Westerner to win

0:31:52.960 --> 0:31:53.520
<v Speaker 2>the tournament.

0:31:53.640 --> 0:31:54.560
<v Speaker 3>Oh good for him.

0:31:54.680 --> 0:31:58.800
<v Speaker 2>He set world records for most consecutive knockouts fifty six,

0:31:59.520 --> 0:32:03.280
<v Speaker 2>the fast just knockout three point two seconds, and the

0:32:03.360 --> 0:32:06.640
<v Speaker 2>fastest punch point one two seconds point.

0:32:06.320 --> 0:32:07.360
<v Speaker 3>One two seconds.

0:32:08.120 --> 0:32:09.640
<v Speaker 2>That's very fa fastest.

0:32:10.280 --> 0:32:12.880
<v Speaker 3>Take that, Bruce Lee one inch punch. How about this

0:32:13.200 --> 0:32:14.080
<v Speaker 3>tenth of a second punch?

0:32:14.520 --> 0:32:17.800
<v Speaker 2>It's amazing. All of this is to be taken with

0:32:17.840 --> 0:32:21.560
<v Speaker 2>a grain of salt. Since this was a secret competition,

0:32:21.640 --> 0:32:25.280
<v Speaker 2>there are really no records for it, and according to Dukes,

0:32:25.360 --> 0:32:27.880
<v Speaker 2>he was the first person to be given permission to

0:32:27.960 --> 0:32:29.840
<v Speaker 2>speak publicly about the Kumite.

0:32:30.000 --> 0:32:32.360
<v Speaker 3>So is he trying to basically take both Bruce Lee

0:32:32.400 --> 0:32:35.000
<v Speaker 3>and Jean Claude van Dam's film careers and turn them

0:32:35.000 --> 0:32:36.960
<v Speaker 3>into one life for himself that thought?

0:32:37.040 --> 0:32:40.040
<v Speaker 2>Oh sorry, So he won a sword as one of

0:32:40.080 --> 0:32:42.880
<v Speaker 2>the prizes for being the best fighter. Man, of course

0:32:43.000 --> 0:32:47.160
<v Speaker 2>you got to win other trophy. If this sounds a

0:32:47.200 --> 0:32:50.800
<v Speaker 2>lot like the plot of a Jean Claude Van Dam movie. Yeah, say,

0:32:50.840 --> 0:32:53.640
<v Speaker 2>for instance, Bloodspot, First Spot On.

0:32:54.120 --> 0:32:56.360
<v Speaker 3>Enter the Dragon and blood Spot. You just put him together.

0:32:56.880 --> 0:33:00.280
<v Speaker 2>Story the nineteen eighty eight film is based on. Is

0:33:00.840 --> 0:33:02.800
<v Speaker 2>Dukes is Kumite domination?

0:33:03.040 --> 0:33:03.120
<v Speaker 5>What?

0:33:04.440 --> 0:33:07.560
<v Speaker 2>Jean Claude van Dam plays a guy named Frank Dukes

0:33:07.560 --> 0:33:13.520
<v Speaker 2>in the movie So Sheldon Lettie he came up with

0:33:13.560 --> 0:33:16.680
<v Speaker 2>the idea for blood Sport. According to him quote, I

0:33:16.720 --> 0:33:19.040
<v Speaker 2>had known Frank Dukes for a number of months before

0:33:19.080 --> 0:33:21.560
<v Speaker 2>I came up with the idea for blood Sport. Frank

0:33:21.640 --> 0:33:23.800
<v Speaker 2>told me a lot of tall tales, most of which

0:33:23.840 --> 0:33:27.720
<v Speaker 2>turned out to be but his stories about participating in

0:33:27.760 --> 0:33:30.560
<v Speaker 2>this so called Kumata event sounded like a great idea

0:33:30.600 --> 0:33:33.440
<v Speaker 2>for a movie. There was one guy who he introduced

0:33:33.440 --> 0:33:36.320
<v Speaker 2>me to named Richard Bender, who claimed to have actually

0:33:36.320 --> 0:33:39.720
<v Speaker 2>been at the Kumata event, who swore everything Frank told

0:33:39.760 --> 0:33:42.160
<v Speaker 2>me was true. A few years later, this guy had

0:33:42.160 --> 0:33:44.240
<v Speaker 2>a falling out with Frank and confessed to me that

0:33:44.360 --> 0:33:46.760
<v Speaker 2>everything he told me about the Kumaite was a lie.

0:33:47.080 --> 0:33:51.440
<v Speaker 2>Frank had coached him and what to say? Curious So anyway,

0:33:52.080 --> 0:33:57.600
<v Speaker 2>Dukes obviously disputes. He says that he's the one who

0:33:57.640 --> 0:34:00.520
<v Speaker 2>wrote the treatment and the screenplay of course, and he

0:34:00.560 --> 0:34:03.200
<v Speaker 2>worked as the fight coordinator for blood Sport, but also

0:34:03.280 --> 0:34:06.560
<v Speaker 2>the nineteen ninety film Lionheart and the nineteen ninety three

0:34:06.680 --> 0:34:07.880
<v Speaker 2>film Only the Strong.

0:34:08.120 --> 0:34:09.920
<v Speaker 3>Wait are you serious about.

0:34:09.719 --> 0:34:12.640
<v Speaker 2>I'm dead serious. He was the fight coordinator for those films.

0:34:13.360 --> 0:34:16.800
<v Speaker 2>That's true. In nineteen ninety six, he released the book

0:34:17.120 --> 0:34:21.520
<v Speaker 2>The Secret Man, An American Warriors Uncensored Story, and in

0:34:21.560 --> 0:34:26.440
<v Speaker 2>it he like he divulges that the CIA CIA director

0:34:26.480 --> 0:34:29.800
<v Speaker 2>William Casey arranged to meet him in a bathroom.

0:34:31.320 --> 0:34:33.120
<v Speaker 1>He said.

0:34:33.360 --> 0:34:36.440
<v Speaker 2>He said that Casey recruited him to work on covert missions.

0:34:36.840 --> 0:34:40.880
<v Speaker 2>One of those missions was destroying a fuel depot in Nicaragua.

0:34:41.120 --> 0:34:44.040
<v Speaker 2>Another was blowing up a chemical weapons plant in Iraq.

0:34:45.520 --> 0:34:45.920
<v Speaker 3>Plausible.

0:34:46.760 --> 0:34:51.080
<v Speaker 2>This is after he won the Kumite. He also he used.

0:34:50.840 --> 0:34:54.920
<v Speaker 3>The drafting and scouting.

0:34:55.040 --> 0:34:55.760
<v Speaker 2>It was a scout.

0:34:55.840 --> 0:34:56.080
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:34:56.400 --> 0:34:58.799
<v Speaker 2>He used the sword he won in the tournament to

0:34:58.920 --> 0:35:00.960
<v Speaker 2>pay off Philip Peno pirates.

0:35:01.440 --> 0:35:02.239
<v Speaker 3>Wait to say that again.

0:35:02.280 --> 0:35:03.399
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he won.

0:35:03.680 --> 0:35:06.600
<v Speaker 3>He took the sword he won from the to pay

0:35:06.600 --> 0:35:07.399
<v Speaker 3>off Filipino Park.

0:35:07.600 --> 0:35:09.880
<v Speaker 2>Apparently they were hold because like they were holding a

0:35:09.920 --> 0:35:14.560
<v Speaker 2>boat full of orphans caps. I need, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>This is all I have here's what Dukes had to

0:35:16.400 --> 0:35:19.280
<v Speaker 2>say about it. Quote, we took up arms and fought

0:35:19.320 --> 0:35:22.160
<v Speaker 2>boat pirates and we got these kids free. I'm in

0:35:22.200 --> 0:35:24.360
<v Speaker 2>touch with some of them, and they love me to death.

0:35:24.680 --> 0:35:27.000
<v Speaker 2>And I'll tell you, I've got one kid who's about

0:35:27.000 --> 0:35:29.319
<v Speaker 2>fifteen years old. All I have to do is look

0:35:29.360 --> 0:35:31.360
<v Speaker 2>cross eyed at one guy and he'll kill for me.

0:35:31.800 --> 0:35:34.000
<v Speaker 3>I've got an uncle I'm convinced has a book by

0:35:34.000 --> 0:35:36.799
<v Speaker 3>this guy. Probably yes, he has a bunch of these,

0:35:36.840 --> 0:35:39.759
<v Speaker 3>like Richard Marsenko type. So like these guys are like

0:35:39.880 --> 0:35:43.160
<v Speaker 3>I was a secret operative for the whatever, right maybe

0:35:43.400 --> 0:35:45.200
<v Speaker 3>the right? Yes. Sure.

0:35:46.280 --> 0:35:48.600
<v Speaker 2>A lot of big names get mentioned in the secret

0:35:48.640 --> 0:35:53.200
<v Speaker 2>manu huh. And they all said that his claims are garbage.

0:35:53.239 --> 0:35:53.680
<v Speaker 3>Everybody.

0:35:53.760 --> 0:35:56.239
<v Speaker 2>So Robert Gates of the CIA said he never heard

0:35:56.239 --> 0:35:58.040
<v Speaker 2>of Dukes, nor heard anyone else.

0:35:57.920 --> 0:35:59.719
<v Speaker 3>Former head of the SUP and again that they would

0:35:59.760 --> 0:36:01.520
<v Speaker 3>say disavow.

0:36:01.800 --> 0:36:04.920
<v Speaker 2>He said he worked for Storm and Norman Schwartzkough. General

0:36:04.960 --> 0:36:10.120
<v Speaker 2>schwartz Cough and Major General John Singlob both said no,

0:36:10.200 --> 0:36:13.240
<v Speaker 2>that's not hear he didn't single called the book quote

0:36:13.400 --> 0:36:17.839
<v Speaker 2>virtually a complete fabrication. But this is what they would say.

0:36:18.000 --> 0:36:20.400
<v Speaker 3>Of course, we've seen the movies.

0:36:20.440 --> 0:36:23.680
<v Speaker 2>Elizabeth kinglob he had his lawyer tell the publisher to

0:36:23.719 --> 0:36:27.680
<v Speaker 2>recall the book. Oh Dan Yeah, Soldier of Fortune magazine

0:36:28.200 --> 0:36:32.480
<v Speaker 2>pointed out ten logical magazine right. Ten logical inconsistencies in

0:36:32.520 --> 0:36:36.719
<v Speaker 2>the book, stuff like saying Casey personally handled his operations

0:36:36.760 --> 0:36:38.799
<v Speaker 2>and made sure no one else in the CIA even

0:36:38.840 --> 0:36:41.839
<v Speaker 2>knew he existed. But at the same time he talks

0:36:41.880 --> 0:36:45.200
<v Speaker 2>about getting all of these documents supporting his missions. The

0:36:45.239 --> 0:36:49.040
<v Speaker 2>CIA doesn't usually comment about stuff like this, but a

0:36:49.160 --> 0:36:52.520
<v Speaker 2>CIA spokesman said the book was quote sheer fantasy and

0:36:52.520 --> 0:36:55.600
<v Speaker 2>that his claims were quote so preposterous that we thought

0:36:55.600 --> 0:36:56.600
<v Speaker 2>it was necessary.

0:36:56.760 --> 0:37:00.319
<v Speaker 3>Like it reached a level of the CIA is okay, girl, Yeah,

0:37:00.360 --> 0:37:00.960
<v Speaker 3>hold my hand.

0:37:01.239 --> 0:37:04.160
<v Speaker 2>Publishers Weekly said, quote it's hard to tell whether the

0:37:04.200 --> 0:37:07.799
<v Speaker 2>author is merely posturing or expressing his fantasy life in

0:37:07.840 --> 0:37:10.640
<v Speaker 2>a memoir that reads as if patterned on the early

0:37:10.719 --> 0:37:15.279
<v Speaker 2>paperback Avenger series. So Dukes. He said in the book

0:37:15.320 --> 0:37:17.799
<v Speaker 2>that his father worked for Massad before World War Two

0:37:18.040 --> 0:37:22.000
<v Speaker 2>and joined the Jewish Brigade in nineteen thirty nine. Yeah,

0:37:22.000 --> 0:37:25.040
<v Speaker 2>that's the problem. Massad wasn't formed until after World War Two,

0:37:25.640 --> 0:37:29.080
<v Speaker 2>and the Jewish Brigade wasn't formed until way after nineteen

0:37:29.120 --> 0:37:31.800
<v Speaker 2>thirty nine, so never let the truth get in the

0:37:31.800 --> 0:37:35.400
<v Speaker 2>way of good story. After fighting all the dudes at

0:37:35.400 --> 0:37:39.880
<v Speaker 2>the Kumite, working as a CIA asset, amassing his orphan army,

0:37:40.800 --> 0:37:42.799
<v Speaker 2>he went on to open a martial arts school in

0:37:42.840 --> 0:37:46.120
<v Speaker 2>Woodland Hills in North Hollywood, of course, and there he

0:37:46.200 --> 0:37:49.960
<v Speaker 2>taught his own house blend martial arts style called Duke's

0:37:50.040 --> 0:37:51.719
<v Speaker 2>Rue Nijitsu.

0:37:52.040 --> 0:37:52.680
<v Speaker 3>Is he any j.

0:37:54.320 --> 0:37:56.080
<v Speaker 2>Well, here's how he defines.

0:37:55.719 --> 0:37:58.279
<v Speaker 3>His Jean Claude van dam was actually good. No, I

0:37:58.280 --> 0:37:59.600
<v Speaker 3>think budging.

0:37:59.680 --> 0:38:02.879
<v Speaker 2>I think he's good practice. So here's how he talks

0:38:02.920 --> 0:38:07.839
<v Speaker 2>about his fighting style. Dukes Ru Ninjutsu or Duke's Ru

0:38:08.680 --> 0:38:12.320
<v Speaker 2>is a style in methodology developed by Hanshi Frank Dukes

0:38:12.680 --> 0:38:15.640
<v Speaker 2>geared toward the individual that allows them to progress faster,

0:38:15.840 --> 0:38:19.759
<v Speaker 2>building around the person's strengths and weaknesses, and uses practical

0:38:19.920 --> 0:38:23.440
<v Speaker 2>real world self defense that best works for them, thus

0:38:23.480 --> 0:38:27.640
<v Speaker 2>making its foundation ninjutsu and your mind, body, and spirit

0:38:27.680 --> 0:38:31.920
<v Speaker 2>the weapon. Duke's Ru allows the person to handle dynamic

0:38:32.000 --> 0:38:36.400
<v Speaker 2>situations and environments, be it fighting multiple attackers, fighting in

0:38:36.440 --> 0:38:40.040
<v Speaker 2>the dark in a crowd or a hallway, wet icy

0:38:40.320 --> 0:38:43.960
<v Speaker 2>soft heart, or slippery ground. Therefore, the student adapts well

0:38:44.000 --> 0:38:46.120
<v Speaker 2>to the situation once properly trained.

0:38:46.239 --> 0:38:47.799
<v Speaker 3>So like you're taught to like how to like pick

0:38:47.880 --> 0:38:49.440
<v Speaker 3>up stuff off the ground and throw it.

0:38:49.400 --> 0:38:51.680
<v Speaker 2>In the eyes of your attacks. Good, sign me up.

0:38:51.719 --> 0:38:52.600
<v Speaker 2>Can I be honest with you?

0:38:52.800 --> 0:38:53.080
<v Speaker 5>Please?

0:38:53.680 --> 0:38:53.960
<v Speaker 3>Honest?

0:38:54.160 --> 0:38:58.560
<v Speaker 2>I'm terrified that Frank Duke's is going to come after me. Yeah,

0:38:59.080 --> 0:39:02.520
<v Speaker 2>he still has. I feel like I'm pissing him off.

0:39:02.600 --> 0:39:04.680
<v Speaker 2>And if he ever hears me telling this, I just

0:39:04.719 --> 0:39:06.560
<v Speaker 2>want him to know that it's all in good fun

0:39:06.640 --> 0:39:09.239
<v Speaker 2>and I respect his battle style and I'm guessing that Yeah,

0:39:09.280 --> 0:39:10.359
<v Speaker 2>the government, did you dirty?

0:39:10.400 --> 0:39:12.000
<v Speaker 3>Ah Ya? How about this? I am afraid of you.

0:39:12.040 --> 0:39:15.680
<v Speaker 3>Frank Duke's Ninja to ninja. Let's go. Well, so no,

0:39:15.880 --> 0:39:18.040
<v Speaker 3>he don't.

0:39:19.239 --> 0:39:21.879
<v Speaker 2>He paired up with Jean Claude van Dam, and they

0:39:21.920 --> 0:39:25.399
<v Speaker 2>co authored the nineteen ninety six film The Quest. They

0:39:25.440 --> 0:39:29.320
<v Speaker 2>also apparently wrote another script together called Enter the New Dragon.

0:39:29.560 --> 0:39:30.200
<v Speaker 3>Are you kidding that?

0:39:30.360 --> 0:39:30.520
<v Speaker 4>No?

0:39:30.640 --> 0:39:32.160
<v Speaker 3>And I knew he knew about Enter the Dragon.

0:39:32.280 --> 0:39:35.200
<v Speaker 2>When The Quest came out, Dukes sued Van Dam for

0:39:35.280 --> 0:39:38.719
<v Speaker 2>breach of contract. Dukes said the Quest was too similar

0:39:38.760 --> 0:39:42.279
<v Speaker 2>to the manuscript to Enter the Dragon. In nineteen ninety eight,

0:39:42.360 --> 0:39:46.600
<v Speaker 2>Duke's lost his lawsuit. Apparently jurors found his testimony quote

0:39:46.680 --> 0:39:49.239
<v Speaker 2>less than credible. No, how can that be?

0:39:50.120 --> 0:39:50.279
<v Speaker 5>Well.

0:39:50.320 --> 0:39:53.720
<v Speaker 2>One thing that Duke's told him was that audio tapes

0:39:53.760 --> 0:39:56.239
<v Speaker 2>of his agreement with Van dam were destroyed in the

0:39:56.360 --> 0:39:59.920
<v Speaker 2>nineteen ninety four Northridge earthquake. That's cape that feels f

0:40:01.239 --> 0:40:04.120
<v Speaker 2>He appealed. The appeal was dismissed in nineteen ninety nine.

0:40:04.160 --> 0:40:06.520
<v Speaker 2>I do need to say that he stands by all

0:40:06.560 --> 0:40:09.120
<v Speaker 2>of his statements to this day. He has a very

0:40:09.160 --> 0:40:13.440
<v Speaker 2>extensive website that addresses all of the controversies. Frank Duke's

0:40:13.520 --> 0:40:17.400
<v Speaker 2>Bloodsport dot com. It's d ux Bloodsport dot com. But

0:40:17.440 --> 0:40:20.040
<v Speaker 2>he holds firm on all his claims. Let's take a break.

0:40:20.440 --> 0:40:22.600
<v Speaker 2>When we come back, I have the final boss of

0:40:22.680 --> 0:40:47.359
<v Speaker 2>military impostors, oh man, and now my last faker, the

0:40:47.400 --> 0:40:49.680
<v Speaker 2>final boss, the most ridiculous.

0:40:49.719 --> 0:40:50.400
<v Speaker 3>You're kidding me.

0:40:50.440 --> 0:40:53.640
<v Speaker 2>Frank Duke's was ridiculous. I don't know Frank Duke's okay.

0:40:53.600 --> 0:40:55.840
<v Speaker 3>Who By the way, I'll fight you any time, son, Fredrik.

0:40:56.880 --> 0:41:00.480
<v Speaker 2>No, we love you, dude. He would he would totally

0:41:00.520 --> 0:41:02.120
<v Speaker 2>just my head would fly off my body.

0:41:02.239 --> 0:41:04.880
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, he would beat you to death with my head.

0:41:05.040 --> 0:41:11.200
<v Speaker 2>Yes percent, and it would be earned. I've earned it. Okay.

0:41:11.239 --> 0:41:16.520
<v Speaker 2>So this guy, Friedrich Wilhelm Voit, Yes, this is a

0:41:16.600 --> 0:41:20.640
<v Speaker 2>vintage one. He was born in eighteen forty nine in Tilsit, Prussia.

0:41:21.440 --> 0:41:25.160
<v Speaker 2>That's now it was Prussia. Yeah, now it's Sovetsk, Russia.

0:41:25.800 --> 0:41:28.000
<v Speaker 2>His dad was a shoemaker and he followed in his

0:41:28.080 --> 0:41:31.400
<v Speaker 2>dad's footsteps. No pun intended, or at least he tried so.

0:41:31.480 --> 0:41:35.480
<v Speaker 2>When he's fourteen, he did fourteen days in prison for theft,

0:41:35.560 --> 0:41:39.960
<v Speaker 2>forgery and burglary. At fourteen, he also got expelled from

0:41:40.000 --> 0:41:43.760
<v Speaker 2>school and his dad cut off that sweet shoemaking pipeline. Sure,

0:41:44.160 --> 0:41:46.239
<v Speaker 2>it's a real shame because, like shoemaking is a true

0:41:46.320 --> 0:41:50.719
<v Speaker 2>art form. He didn't write his ways he did. He

0:41:50.800 --> 0:41:55.759
<v Speaker 2>did instead he forged postal orders and then he did

0:41:55.800 --> 0:41:59.040
<v Speaker 2>twelve years hard labor for it. What Yeah, they were.

0:41:58.960 --> 0:42:01.799
<v Speaker 3>Not fray a thing, people, We.

0:42:01.680 --> 0:42:05.360
<v Speaker 2>Were not playing. So over the next three decades he

0:42:05.480 --> 0:42:08.440
<v Speaker 2>spent a total of twenty five years in prison for

0:42:08.520 --> 0:42:12.319
<v Speaker 2>stuff like theft, forgery, robbery. His life was terrible, and like,

0:42:12.400 --> 0:42:14.239
<v Speaker 2>even though he spent most of his time in jail,

0:42:14.280 --> 0:42:16.839
<v Speaker 2>when he's out he said he really wanted to just

0:42:16.880 --> 0:42:20.319
<v Speaker 2>live like an honest, upright lawful life, and that just

0:42:20.400 --> 0:42:23.080
<v Speaker 2>wasn't in the cards. So by the time he's fifty seven,

0:42:23.160 --> 0:42:25.560
<v Speaker 2>he'd spent twenty seven of those years in the clink.

0:42:26.080 --> 0:42:29.080
<v Speaker 2>He was out of prison, drifting around. He went to

0:42:29.080 --> 0:42:32.759
<v Speaker 2>live with his sister in this area near Berlin. He

0:42:32.800 --> 0:42:34.879
<v Speaker 2>even got a job in Berlin with like a really

0:42:34.880 --> 0:42:38.560
<v Speaker 2>respected shoemaker thanks to all that early training he had,

0:42:38.800 --> 0:42:40.040
<v Speaker 2>so he like hit the big time.

0:42:40.160 --> 0:42:41.520
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he still knows the skills.

0:42:41.640 --> 0:42:43.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. But then the police got wind of him in

0:42:43.960 --> 0:42:46.920
<v Speaker 2>his long record and he was expelled from Berlin in

0:42:47.000 --> 0:42:50.759
<v Speaker 2>nineteen oh six for being a quote undesirable. Oh so

0:42:51.040 --> 0:42:53.000
<v Speaker 2>he made it look like he picked up stakes and

0:42:53.040 --> 0:42:56.160
<v Speaker 2>moved to Hamburg, but he really stuck around Berlin as

0:42:56.200 --> 0:42:59.560
<v Speaker 2>an unregistered resident. So here's this is the catch. Twenty

0:42:59.600 --> 0:43:01.480
<v Speaker 2>two at the time, he couldn't get work because he

0:43:01.520 --> 0:43:04.320
<v Speaker 2>had no papers, and he couldn't get papers because he

0:43:04.360 --> 0:43:05.120
<v Speaker 2>had no work.

0:43:05.239 --> 0:43:07.640
<v Speaker 3>So he's basically their equivalent of what we would consider

0:43:07.680 --> 0:43:08.520
<v Speaker 3>an illegal alien.

0:43:08.680 --> 0:43:12.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, undocumented. He couldn't even get a passport so

0:43:12.560 --> 0:43:15.000
<v Speaker 2>that he could go work abroad. So he's he's just

0:43:15.080 --> 0:43:18.280
<v Speaker 2>stuck and it's not like he's he's born in Prussia,

0:43:18.360 --> 0:43:22.480
<v Speaker 2>but like he's lived in what is then, you know, uh,

0:43:23.239 --> 0:43:28.480
<v Speaker 2>around Berlin his entire life, whole life there. So he stole.

0:43:28.640 --> 0:43:30.080
<v Speaker 2>He did piecemeal work here.

0:43:29.920 --> 0:43:32.040
<v Speaker 3>In any town he tried to move to, whoever had

0:43:32.040 --> 0:43:34.040
<v Speaker 3>the shoe, they would try to keep something like him out.

0:43:34.120 --> 0:43:36.520
<v Speaker 3>I mean, like he's exactly, he's got no chances to

0:43:36.560 --> 0:43:37.560
<v Speaker 3>go somewhere else.

0:43:37.600 --> 0:43:40.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and this is all he knows. This is the

0:43:40.520 --> 0:43:44.479
<v Speaker 2>only area he knows. So he stole. He did piecemeal work.

0:43:44.920 --> 0:43:47.760
<v Speaker 2>Then he got an idea. So with the meager money

0:43:47.800 --> 0:43:50.880
<v Speaker 2>he had, he bought pieces here and there of used

0:43:51.040 --> 0:43:55.799
<v Speaker 2>Prussian guards, captain's uniforms. Ok, he got his hands on

0:43:55.880 --> 0:43:59.520
<v Speaker 2>some shined army boots and a captain's had. Then he

0:43:59.560 --> 0:44:01.799
<v Speaker 2>went for a little stroll. Sure he wanted to see

0:44:01.800 --> 0:44:03.920
<v Speaker 2>what happened when he acted like he was supposed to

0:44:03.960 --> 0:44:08.000
<v Speaker 2>be there, everyone was respectful and courteous. Like he's a

0:44:08.120 --> 0:44:12.240
<v Speaker 2>changed man. Everyone just snaps to attention. And between August

0:44:12.320 --> 0:44:15.160
<v Speaker 2>and October of nineteen oh six, he wanders around Berlin

0:44:15.360 --> 0:44:18.480
<v Speaker 2>in this military costume and he'd like bark orders at

0:44:18.520 --> 0:44:22.520
<v Speaker 2>any soldiers that he encountered, and they'd obey immediately. So

0:44:22.640 --> 0:44:25.839
<v Speaker 2>on October sixteenth, nineteen oh six, he's fifty seven years old,

0:44:26.000 --> 0:44:29.400
<v Speaker 2>what's on the phony uniform? Takes a train to Tegel,

0:44:29.640 --> 0:44:32.200
<v Speaker 2>a small town about an hour and a half away

0:44:32.200 --> 0:44:36.480
<v Speaker 2>from Berlin. Probably not saying it right, apologies. Then he

0:44:36.560 --> 0:44:40.359
<v Speaker 2>went to the local army barracks and a platoon passed him,

0:44:40.360 --> 0:44:43.040
<v Speaker 2>and everyone gave him a sharp salute, and he raised

0:44:43.040 --> 0:44:46.719
<v Speaker 2>his sword and he ordered them to halt. The corporal

0:44:46.960 --> 0:44:50.239
<v Speaker 2>in charge stepped forward and Voight gave his order to

0:44:50.320 --> 0:44:55.040
<v Speaker 2>the railway station. So then he tells the corporal they're

0:44:55.080 --> 0:44:59.880
<v Speaker 2>acting under direct orders of the Emperor Old Wilhelm. The Shepherd, captain,

0:45:00.360 --> 0:45:03.680
<v Speaker 2>the corporal, and seven guardsmen. They head off to the

0:45:03.680 --> 0:45:08.239
<v Speaker 2>Berlin Circuit railway station and then there four guys from

0:45:08.239 --> 0:45:11.400
<v Speaker 2>the fourth foot Guards regimen are already there, so he

0:45:11.560 --> 0:45:15.080
<v Speaker 2>orders them to join the groupe. Yeah, a train was

0:45:15.200 --> 0:45:17.760
<v Speaker 2>just leaving when they get there, but that wasn't a problem.

0:45:18.040 --> 0:45:21.640
<v Speaker 2>He orders it to stop, and they commandeered the first

0:45:21.680 --> 0:45:25.760
<v Speaker 2>class carriage just for him a man, and he stuck

0:45:25.800 --> 0:45:28.759
<v Speaker 2>all of his impromptu troop in another car and they

0:45:28.800 --> 0:45:34.759
<v Speaker 2>get to Copenick. That's the destination. He takes his makeshift

0:45:34.880 --> 0:45:38.560
<v Speaker 2>unit right down to the town hall and he tells

0:45:38.600 --> 0:45:41.880
<v Speaker 2>them that he was there to execute some official matters

0:45:41.880 --> 0:45:45.359
<v Speaker 2>of importance, like he's just yelling at everybody. So they

0:45:45.400 --> 0:45:49.360
<v Speaker 2>get there and he posts a sentry at each entrance

0:45:49.800 --> 0:45:53.080
<v Speaker 2>and he tells them orders to shoot if needed. So

0:45:53.160 --> 0:45:55.839
<v Speaker 2>like this is serious business and it's kind of open

0:45:55.880 --> 0:45:59.200
<v Speaker 2>for interpretation, right anyway, So Voight and his men they

0:45:59.320 --> 0:46:03.280
<v Speaker 2>marched into the office of doctor langer Hans, the mayor

0:46:03.640 --> 0:46:06.840
<v Speaker 2>of town. Oh, and so Voight whipped out his sword

0:46:07.080 --> 0:46:10.560
<v Speaker 2>and announced, you are my prisoner by the Kaiser's orders,

0:46:10.600 --> 0:46:14.600
<v Speaker 2>and you will be immediately taken immediately to Berlin. What

0:46:15.280 --> 0:46:18.600
<v Speaker 2>Longer Hans was like, I beg, and voy yells you

0:46:18.680 --> 0:46:19.640
<v Speaker 2>add nothing to beg.

0:46:19.800 --> 0:46:23.280
<v Speaker 3>I have already told you that you are my prisoner.

0:46:23.480 --> 0:46:27.320
<v Speaker 2>Kaiservillehn Yeah, so Longer Hans. He's dragged to a carriage

0:46:27.400 --> 0:46:29.760
<v Speaker 2>by armed guards and then driven to Berlin.

0:46:30.560 --> 0:46:31.480
<v Speaker 3>What did this guy do?

0:46:32.840 --> 0:46:38.120
<v Speaker 2>Voight tells the Copenick police. Careful law and order prevent

0:46:38.200 --> 0:46:42.560
<v Speaker 2>calls to Berlin for one hour at the local post office. Sure,

0:46:42.920 --> 0:46:47.840
<v Speaker 2>so they're all just frozen, of course. Zarin, close your eyes. Oh,

0:46:48.520 --> 0:46:52.160
<v Speaker 2>I want you to picture it. It's October sixteenth, nineteen

0:46:52.160 --> 0:46:56.960
<v Speaker 2>oh six. You are the Copenick town treasurer Air von Wildberg.

0:46:57.760 --> 0:47:01.160
<v Speaker 2>You're sitting at your desk, quiet lead tapping away at

0:47:01.160 --> 0:47:05.040
<v Speaker 2>an adding machine, when you hear a commotion feet marching

0:47:05.080 --> 0:47:08.720
<v Speaker 2>down a hallway. The door flies open, and a mustachioed

0:47:08.800 --> 0:47:12.080
<v Speaker 2>older gentleman in a Prussian Guards captain uniform bursts into

0:47:12.080 --> 0:47:15.279
<v Speaker 2>the room. He stares you down and then shouts for

0:47:15.360 --> 0:47:18.960
<v Speaker 2>you to hand over the town's cash book. Confused, you

0:47:19.040 --> 0:47:21.680
<v Speaker 2>turn your squeaky wooden office chair and open the safe

0:47:21.680 --> 0:47:24.920
<v Speaker 2>that steps behind your desk. Your hands are shaking. You

0:47:25.040 --> 0:47:28.400
<v Speaker 2>gingerly lift a metal cash box from the safe, face

0:47:28.440 --> 0:47:30.839
<v Speaker 2>the captain once again, and set the box on your desk.

0:47:31.400 --> 0:47:35.440
<v Speaker 2>In it are four thousand and two marks. The captain

0:47:35.560 --> 0:47:37.560
<v Speaker 2>orders you to put the cash in a bag and

0:47:37.600 --> 0:47:40.320
<v Speaker 2>place an official seal on it. You do it is ordered.

0:47:40.800 --> 0:47:43.680
<v Speaker 2>He then asks for the receipt book. You slide it

0:47:43.760 --> 0:47:47.080
<v Speaker 2>towards him on the desk. He quickly scrawls the signature

0:47:47.120 --> 0:47:49.959
<v Speaker 2>in it, acknowledging the more than four grand he just took.

0:47:50.480 --> 0:47:52.479
<v Speaker 2>What you don't know is that the name he wrote

0:47:52.600 --> 0:47:55.600
<v Speaker 2>was that of his former prison warden He stares at

0:47:55.640 --> 0:47:58.000
<v Speaker 2>you again and then orders his men to arrest you.

0:47:58.840 --> 0:48:03.000
<v Speaker 2>He says, you are a charged with illegal bookkeeping, political

0:48:03.000 --> 0:48:07.560
<v Speaker 2>corruption and irregularities committed in connection with the public sewage works.

0:48:08.960 --> 0:48:12.440
<v Speaker 2>You don't resist. There are rifles and bayonets in your face.

0:48:13.320 --> 0:48:16.239
<v Speaker 2>You know you're innocent and an investigation will clear you

0:48:16.280 --> 0:48:19.759
<v Speaker 2>of any wrongdoing. You have faith in the system. You're

0:48:19.760 --> 0:48:23.000
<v Speaker 2>shuffled out to a commandeered carriage. The captain orders some

0:48:23.080 --> 0:48:26.279
<v Speaker 2>grenadiers to take you to Berlin for interrogation. Then he

0:48:26.360 --> 0:48:28.399
<v Speaker 2>tells the rest of his men to stand right where

0:48:28.440 --> 0:48:31.279
<v Speaker 2>they are for the next thirty minutes. Off you go,

0:48:31.560 --> 0:48:35.839
<v Speaker 2>terrified and hopeful that all will be well. So Void

0:48:35.920 --> 0:48:37.840
<v Speaker 2>grabs the money in the city coffers, and then he

0:48:37.960 --> 0:48:41.520
<v Speaker 2>orders all the officials away. What's he going to do now? Well,

0:48:41.880 --> 0:48:44.520
<v Speaker 2>he goes back to the train station. He's alone, remember,

0:48:44.560 --> 0:48:46.200
<v Speaker 2>he tells him to stand there for half an hour.

0:48:46.680 --> 0:48:49.839
<v Speaker 2>At the station, he went into the bathroom, changed back

0:48:49.840 --> 0:48:52.960
<v Speaker 2>into his street clothes. He left his sword next to

0:48:53.040 --> 0:48:55.680
<v Speaker 2>the toilet, and he shoved his uniform in a cardboard

0:48:55.680 --> 0:48:59.120
<v Speaker 2>box against the wall on the platform. Then he disappears.

0:48:59.120 --> 0:49:02.560
<v Speaker 2>Four thousand marks hand. He did stop to send a

0:49:02.600 --> 0:49:06.280
<v Speaker 2>telegram to Berlin that said town hall occupied by troops,

0:49:06.360 --> 0:49:11.120
<v Speaker 2>implore you to give reasons to quiet citizens. So this

0:49:11.160 --> 0:49:13.320
<v Speaker 2>is about the time the soldiers showed up in Berlin

0:49:13.440 --> 0:49:14.919
<v Speaker 2>at the police station with the mayor.

0:49:15.000 --> 0:49:17.919
<v Speaker 3>He has managed so many things in this reactions and.

0:49:17.840 --> 0:49:22.440
<v Speaker 2>Responses completely and it took a while, but like eventually

0:49:22.480 --> 0:49:24.080
<v Speaker 2>everyone figures out they've been had.

0:49:24.200 --> 0:49:25.279
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, the chess game's over.

0:49:25.440 --> 0:49:25.640
<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

0:49:25.680 --> 0:49:28.279
<v Speaker 2>Word gets back to German army officials and they kick

0:49:28.320 --> 0:49:31.840
<v Speaker 2>off this search to capture him, and pretty soon word

0:49:31.880 --> 0:49:34.960
<v Speaker 2>of fake mission spreads all over Germany and then all

0:49:35.000 --> 0:49:37.520
<v Speaker 2>over Europe and then all over the world. Oh wow,

0:49:37.680 --> 0:49:41.360
<v Speaker 2>early virality, it's a great storytally, He's got this like

0:49:41.480 --> 0:49:45.600
<v Speaker 2>lowly shoemaker, petty criminal that out the Germans and their

0:49:45.680 --> 0:49:48.560
<v Speaker 2>Prussian discipline in their own way. Yeah. So the papers

0:49:48.920 --> 0:49:52.319
<v Speaker 2>said that Kaiser Wilhelm the second laughed out loud when

0:49:52.320 --> 0:49:55.759
<v Speaker 2>he heard a story, and he called him an amiable scoundrel.

0:49:56.960 --> 0:50:01.200
<v Speaker 2>The thing he that's right. Well, he saw the whole

0:50:01.200 --> 0:50:04.760
<v Speaker 2>thing as a testament to how much obedience and respect

0:50:04.840 --> 0:50:08.239
<v Speaker 2>the military had among the people. Oh good, And a

0:50:08.280 --> 0:50:12.160
<v Speaker 2>newspaper in Berlin stated, quote, it is undoubtedly a fact

0:50:12.239 --> 0:50:16.400
<v Speaker 2>in Prussia that the uniformed triumphs not because he is better,

0:50:16.600 --> 0:50:19.520
<v Speaker 2>or cleverer or more prudent than his neighbors, but because

0:50:19.520 --> 0:50:20.440
<v Speaker 2>he is in uniform.

0:50:20.640 --> 0:50:22.120
<v Speaker 3>Yes, of Germany.

0:50:22.360 --> 0:50:25.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah so the British press Russia saw it his confirmation

0:50:25.560 --> 0:50:30.640
<v Speaker 2>of their stereotypes about Germans. The Illustrated London News reported, quote,

0:50:30.760 --> 0:50:33.600
<v Speaker 2>for years, the Kaiser has been instilling into his people

0:50:33.760 --> 0:50:37.840
<v Speaker 2>reverence for the omnipotence of militarism, of which the holiest

0:50:37.920 --> 0:50:42.520
<v Speaker 2>symbol is the German uniform. Offenses against this fetish have

0:50:42.600 --> 0:50:46.920
<v Speaker 2>incurred punishment. Officers who have not considered themselves saluted in

0:50:47.000 --> 0:50:51.160
<v Speaker 2>due form have drawn their swords with impunity. On offending privates.

0:50:51.000 --> 0:50:54.000
<v Speaker 3>Now drawing their swords, did they then use their swords?

0:50:54.040 --> 0:50:54.719
<v Speaker 2>You just threaten them?

0:50:54.719 --> 0:50:56.239
<v Speaker 3>Who knows the kind of like spank them?

0:50:57.200 --> 0:51:02.200
<v Speaker 2>What's what? English author GK. Chester I love him, yes. Quote.

0:51:02.520 --> 0:51:05.640
<v Speaker 2>The most absurd part of this fraud, at least to

0:51:05.719 --> 0:51:10.080
<v Speaker 2>English eyes, is one which oddly enough, has received comparatively

0:51:10.160 --> 0:51:13.120
<v Speaker 2>little comment. I mean the point at which the mayor

0:51:13.320 --> 0:51:15.920
<v Speaker 2>asked for a warrant, and the captain pointed to the

0:51:15.920 --> 0:51:19.120
<v Speaker 2>bayonets of his soldiery and said, these are my authority.

0:51:19.640 --> 0:51:21.719
<v Speaker 2>One would have thought anyone would have known that no

0:51:21.840 --> 0:51:26.320
<v Speaker 2>soldier would talk like that exactly, So a reward was offered.

0:51:26.760 --> 0:51:31.560
<v Speaker 2>One of Voight's former cellmates ratted him out. He identifies

0:51:31.600 --> 0:51:33.400
<v Speaker 2>him and then said, you know what, he bragged to

0:51:33.440 --> 0:51:37.239
<v Speaker 2>me about this whole thing. So ten days later Voight

0:51:37.280 --> 0:51:40.200
<v Speaker 2>gets arrested, like mid breakfast at the place where he's staying.

0:51:41.160 --> 0:51:43.720
<v Speaker 2>He was not viewed unkindly.

0:51:43.640 --> 0:51:44.960
<v Speaker 3>Like a big wallrus mustache.

0:51:45.239 --> 0:51:49.600
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, those exactly, So he wasn't viewed unkindly by

0:51:49.600 --> 0:51:52.880
<v Speaker 2>the cops or even treated that way. In fact, the

0:51:52.920 --> 0:51:55.560
<v Speaker 2>main inspector gave him a bottle of port and he

0:51:55.600 --> 0:51:58.759
<v Speaker 2>showed up. Yeah, Voight turned over what little remained of

0:51:58.800 --> 0:51:59.160
<v Speaker 2>the money.

0:51:59.160 --> 0:52:02.800
<v Speaker 3>He stold they were taking the side of Kaiser Wilhelm,

0:52:02.800 --> 0:52:05.080
<v Speaker 3>that this guy's like he's German.

0:52:05.440 --> 0:52:09.319
<v Speaker 2>Really, they just think this guy's Yeah, he told the

0:52:09.360 --> 0:52:12.680
<v Speaker 2>police commissioner, why if I'd run across you at Copenick

0:52:12.760 --> 0:52:15.080
<v Speaker 2>town Hall, I'd have handled you in the same way.

0:52:15.640 --> 0:52:18.840
<v Speaker 2>Like he's just jokes about everything. The main paper in

0:52:18.880 --> 0:52:21.839
<v Speaker 2>Berlin ran a special edition about his capture and then

0:52:21.920 --> 0:52:24.320
<v Speaker 2>gave it away for free to the public.

0:52:24.480 --> 0:52:26.320
<v Speaker 3>Extra extra read all about it. For free.

0:52:26.239 --> 0:52:28.640
<v Speaker 2>That's how big this story was. He was a folk hero.

0:52:29.560 --> 0:52:31.840
<v Speaker 2>People thought that he should be allowed his freedom, that

0:52:31.880 --> 0:52:33.759
<v Speaker 2>he was just like too smart to lock up.

0:52:33.680 --> 0:52:35.400
<v Speaker 3>German pork heroes are funny.

0:52:35.680 --> 0:52:38.120
<v Speaker 2>So he goes to trial. It is the event.

0:52:38.200 --> 0:52:40.200
<v Speaker 3>He was ordering everyone around him. We were all listening

0:52:40.239 --> 0:52:41.360
<v Speaker 3>to him. He's the greatest.

0:52:43.120 --> 0:52:45.880
<v Speaker 2>They charged for tickets to get into the courtroom, like

0:52:45.960 --> 0:52:47.800
<v Speaker 2>there was a ticket. You had to buy a ticket,

0:52:48.120 --> 0:52:50.160
<v Speaker 2>and it was like a who's who in the gallery.

0:52:50.160 --> 0:52:54.319
<v Speaker 2>You had like high ranking military officers, socialites, like all

0:52:54.400 --> 0:52:55.960
<v Speaker 2>the creative intelligentsia.

0:52:56.160 --> 0:52:56.359
<v Speaker 5>Ooh.

0:52:57.640 --> 0:53:00.440
<v Speaker 2>So Voight takes the stand. He regales the court with

0:53:00.480 --> 0:53:02.920
<v Speaker 2>his life story and he wrapped it up by telling

0:53:02.960 --> 0:53:05.680
<v Speaker 2>the judge that he was quote a very honest thief

0:53:05.719 --> 0:53:10.960
<v Speaker 2>because I only appropriated official funds. So, despite charming the

0:53:11.000 --> 0:53:15.040
<v Speaker 2>spectators with his humor, he's found guilty of quote serious

0:53:15.080 --> 0:53:18.200
<v Speaker 2>interference with the authority of the state and grave forgery

0:53:18.239 --> 0:53:21.400
<v Speaker 2>of official documents. He got four years in prison. He

0:53:21.480 --> 0:53:26.120
<v Speaker 2>only served two years after he won amnesty from Wilhelm.

0:53:26.080 --> 0:53:28.040
<v Speaker 3>Wow the Kaiser acted on well.

0:53:28.200 --> 0:53:33.120
<v Speaker 2>No King Edward the seventh of England pleaded for Voight

0:53:33.200 --> 0:53:37.279
<v Speaker 2>to be freed, and that pressure yeah, led to the

0:53:37.320 --> 0:53:37.920
<v Speaker 2>amy the.

0:53:37.840 --> 0:53:40.280
<v Speaker 3>One who ducks out of the king. He's like, before

0:53:40.320 --> 0:53:42.399
<v Speaker 3>I go, do you look out for quickly?

0:53:43.560 --> 0:53:46.680
<v Speaker 2>Quickly? So the government formed a committee in charge of

0:53:46.719 --> 0:53:50.239
<v Speaker 2>making sure that Voight was taken care of in his

0:53:50.360 --> 0:53:53.480
<v Speaker 2>twilight years. Not to be like, how did this happen?

0:53:54.320 --> 0:53:56.480
<v Speaker 2>Ladies from all over the globe, like more than one

0:53:56.560 --> 0:53:59.000
<v Speaker 2>hundred and thirty of them offered their hands in marriage.

0:53:59.040 --> 0:53:59.799
<v Speaker 3>I'm doing this wrong.

0:54:00.400 --> 0:54:04.600
<v Speaker 2>You totally are He supporters raised two thousand British pounds

0:54:04.600 --> 0:54:07.240
<v Speaker 2>for him. What, yeah, was it a different time?

0:54:07.800 --> 0:54:08.919
<v Speaker 3>Is what am I missing? Here?

0:54:09.440 --> 0:54:12.400
<v Speaker 2>Four days after he gets out the like brilliant, the

0:54:12.440 --> 0:54:16.160
<v Speaker 2>Wax Museum puts up a wax sculpture like Madame Tussau's Yeah,

0:54:16.200 --> 0:54:18.920
<v Speaker 2>but in like the German one, puts up a wax

0:54:18.960 --> 0:54:22.560
<v Speaker 2>sculpture of him wearing a captain's uniform. And then at

0:54:22.560 --> 0:54:26.200
<v Speaker 2>the scene of his crime, another statue went up, this

0:54:26.239 --> 0:54:28.560
<v Speaker 2>one declaring him the captain of Copenick.

0:54:28.760 --> 0:54:29.640
<v Speaker 3>Oh my god.

0:54:30.000 --> 0:54:33.000
<v Speaker 2>He he goes down, they unveil a statue. He goes

0:54:33.040 --> 0:54:36.080
<v Speaker 2>down there to sign autographs and pose for photos, and

0:54:36.120 --> 0:54:38.239
<v Speaker 2>then the cops come and they break the zoo up,

0:54:38.520 --> 0:54:41.479
<v Speaker 2>and then the government banned his special appearances there.

0:54:42.280 --> 0:54:44.759
<v Speaker 3>Oh wait a minute, only we can like dance on this.

0:54:44.840 --> 0:54:45.680
<v Speaker 3>You can't dance on it.

0:54:45.800 --> 0:54:48.279
<v Speaker 2>We don't profit from this. So in nineteen oh nine

0:54:48.320 --> 0:54:50.120
<v Speaker 2>he published his memoirs.

0:54:49.680 --> 0:54:51.279
<v Speaker 3>Of course, how I get the book up there?

0:54:51.320 --> 0:54:54.719
<v Speaker 2>How I became Captain of Copenick. It went through a

0:54:54.760 --> 0:54:58.399
<v Speaker 2>ton of reprints, the most recently in twenty sixteen. What yeah,

0:54:58.480 --> 0:55:01.359
<v Speaker 2>people are still reading about this. He traveled all over

0:55:01.360 --> 0:55:05.040
<v Speaker 2>the country selling postcards with his pictures on them. He

0:55:05.080 --> 0:55:06.799
<v Speaker 2>took his act on the road, and he made his

0:55:06.920 --> 0:55:10.360
<v Speaker 2>name for himself as Captain of Copenik by playing himself

0:55:10.400 --> 0:55:13.359
<v Speaker 2>in like variety shows in Canada in the US.

0:55:13.440 --> 0:55:14.880
<v Speaker 3>Okay, sure, like acting out the scene.

0:55:15.000 --> 0:55:18.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this tour almost didn't happen because US authorities wouldn't

0:55:18.680 --> 0:55:19.919
<v Speaker 2>grant him a visa.

0:55:19.760 --> 0:55:20.319
<v Speaker 3>Because of the war.

0:55:20.520 --> 0:55:23.520
<v Speaker 2>Well, you know, he had all this bureaucratic red tape

0:55:23.520 --> 0:55:25.600
<v Speaker 2>because don't forget, he didn't have any papers.

0:55:25.840 --> 0:55:27.239
<v Speaker 3>Oh right, he's undocumented.

0:55:27.360 --> 0:55:30.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And so he's living in Luxembourg at the time,

0:55:30.400 --> 0:55:32.839
<v Speaker 2>and he's working as a shoemaker and a waiter while

0:55:32.840 --> 0:55:36.520
<v Speaker 2>he waits to get over to North America. He did.

0:55:36.600 --> 0:55:40.080
<v Speaker 2>He got into Canada in nineteen ten, and then he

0:55:40.160 --> 0:55:42.440
<v Speaker 2>was in a few shows put on by Ringling Brothers,

0:55:42.440 --> 0:55:45.040
<v Speaker 2>Barnum and Bailey until nineteen eighteen. So that's how he

0:55:45.080 --> 0:55:49.760
<v Speaker 2>gets in okay. His escapades were commemorated in a nineteen

0:55:49.880 --> 0:55:53.920
<v Speaker 2>thirty Karl Zuckmeyer play, as well as four movies produced

0:55:53.960 --> 0:55:57.040
<v Speaker 2>between nineteen oh six and nineteen fifty six, three TV

0:55:57.120 --> 0:56:00.600
<v Speaker 2>shows between nineteen sixty in two thousand and one. In

0:56:00.640 --> 0:56:02.920
<v Speaker 2>two thousand and six, he got his own postage stamp

0:56:02.960 --> 0:56:03.600
<v Speaker 2>in Germany.

0:56:03.680 --> 0:56:04.400
<v Speaker 3>He's a legend.

0:56:04.560 --> 0:56:07.160
<v Speaker 2>Let me tell you about the play. As the Nazis

0:56:07.200 --> 0:56:11.160
<v Speaker 2>took power, Zuckmeyer saw parallels with the Voight affair when

0:56:11.160 --> 0:56:15.279
<v Speaker 2>it came to like blind obedience and fanaticism, and so

0:56:15.360 --> 0:56:18.719
<v Speaker 2>he first produced the story as a comic strip, highlighting

0:56:18.760 --> 0:56:21.160
<v Speaker 2>like all it takes to make someone what they are

0:56:21.320 --> 0:56:24.960
<v Speaker 2>is their costume, sure, and like Hitler, rising star of fascism,

0:56:25.080 --> 0:56:29.200
<v Speaker 2>hates it. And then Zuckmeyer then produced the story as

0:56:29.200 --> 0:56:32.040
<v Speaker 2>a play and it was like super successful for two years,

0:56:32.040 --> 0:56:34.080
<v Speaker 2>and then Hitler came into full power and shut the

0:56:34.080 --> 0:56:38.080
<v Speaker 2>whole thing down. What resonated with people then and now

0:56:38.600 --> 0:56:40.719
<v Speaker 2>is the catch twenty two of the whole thing. So

0:56:40.760 --> 0:56:43.840
<v Speaker 2>he can't. He just can't earn an honest living, doesn't

0:56:43.840 --> 0:56:46.840
<v Speaker 2>have a fixed address, can't get a job, doesn't have

0:56:46.880 --> 0:56:50.200
<v Speaker 2>a job, can't get a fixed address, can't get a passport.

0:56:50.520 --> 0:56:51.919
<v Speaker 3>And takes on the full powers of the state.

0:56:52.160 --> 0:56:56.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and like he couldn't he could didn't have a passport,

0:56:56.000 --> 0:56:57.520
<v Speaker 2>so they couldn't even like ship him back to the

0:56:57.600 --> 0:56:59.719
<v Speaker 2>Russian town where he was born and knew nothing of

0:57:00.400 --> 0:57:01.800
<v Speaker 2>Like we see a lot of parallels today.

0:57:01.960 --> 0:57:03.920
<v Speaker 3>He's like the people now he don't have passports, they

0:57:03.920 --> 0:57:04.800
<v Speaker 3>have to live in an airport.

0:57:04.960 --> 0:57:09.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly so, a London paper wrote, quote, he never

0:57:09.080 --> 0:57:12.160
<v Speaker 2>could cope with bureaucracy gone mad. A society where a

0:57:12.200 --> 0:57:14.400
<v Speaker 2>man couldn't get a job without a work permit, and

0:57:14.440 --> 0:57:17.320
<v Speaker 2>couldn't get a work permit without a job. Voight couldn't

0:57:17.360 --> 0:57:19.760
<v Speaker 2>stay where he was without an identity card, and he

0:57:19.760 --> 0:57:23.160
<v Speaker 2>couldn't travel without a passport. At fifty six, worn to

0:57:23.280 --> 0:57:27.000
<v Speaker 2>a frazzled cipher from backing this system, muddled by thirty

0:57:27.040 --> 0:57:31.360
<v Speaker 2>years in jail for not conforming Wilhelm, Voight finally rebelled.

0:57:31.440 --> 0:57:32.480
<v Speaker 2>He played a little trick.

0:57:33.320 --> 0:57:35.880
<v Speaker 3>I have nothing wrong with what he did personally, maybe

0:57:36.000 --> 0:57:37.960
<v Speaker 3>got what four thousand Deutsche marks or whatever.

0:57:38.040 --> 0:57:42.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's shit. So June nineteen twelve, news gets out

0:57:42.800 --> 0:57:45.080
<v Speaker 2>that he had passed away in the London hospital, and

0:57:45.120 --> 0:57:49.760
<v Speaker 2>like News nineteen twelve, newspapers all across Germany just are

0:57:49.880 --> 0:57:53.600
<v Speaker 2>lauding him with warm and lengthy obituaries. But it turned

0:57:53.640 --> 0:57:56.160
<v Speaker 2>out it was all a mistake. He was alive and

0:57:56.200 --> 0:57:58.840
<v Speaker 2>he was living in Germany. He did like the obits though, like,

0:57:58.840 --> 0:58:00.360
<v Speaker 2>given the warm fuzzies.

0:58:01.040 --> 0:58:02.640
<v Speaker 3>He lived, it's got to be nice to see how

0:58:02.640 --> 0:58:04.720
<v Speaker 3>people are going to talk about you in your day. Yeah, totally,

0:58:04.760 --> 0:58:07.080
<v Speaker 3>Like I'm so tempted to fake my death just to

0:58:07.120 --> 0:58:07.520
<v Speaker 3>have that.

0:58:07.880 --> 0:58:10.240
<v Speaker 2>I see like there's nothing printed. I'm like, oh, well,

0:58:10.600 --> 0:58:13.960
<v Speaker 2>even that would be fun. That would be funny. He lived,

0:58:14.280 --> 0:58:17.280
<v Speaker 2>He had like a life pension that this rich Berlin

0:58:17.400 --> 0:58:18.600
<v Speaker 2>Dowager gave him.

0:58:18.760 --> 0:58:19.040
<v Speaker 5>Wow.

0:58:19.200 --> 0:58:21.560
<v Speaker 2>And then he also had an open invitation to eat

0:58:21.600 --> 0:58:23.680
<v Speaker 2>for free at this local restaurant whenever he wanted.

0:58:23.760 --> 0:58:25.800
<v Speaker 3>Well, that sounds right, like, oh you get free sandwiches,

0:58:25.840 --> 0:58:27.240
<v Speaker 3>but the Dowager, that's impressive.

0:58:27.600 --> 0:58:30.240
<v Speaker 2>And even so, though he lived in abject poverty in

0:58:30.280 --> 0:58:32.880
<v Speaker 2>his later years because he lost everything in the post

0:58:32.880 --> 0:58:37.040
<v Speaker 2>World War One recession. On January third, nineteen twenty two.

0:58:37.080 --> 0:58:39.600
<v Speaker 2>He died from the flu in Luxembourg. He was seventy

0:58:39.640 --> 0:58:40.240
<v Speaker 2>three years.

0:58:40.080 --> 0:58:41.880
<v Speaker 3>Old, the aka the Spanish flu.

0:58:42.080 --> 0:58:45.320
<v Speaker 2>I'd probably twenty two. The government paid for his funeral,

0:58:45.320 --> 0:58:52.320
<v Speaker 2>but they wouldn't pay for tombstone. Circus Saracini sometimes yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and employer of his they paid for one. His lady love, Madam.

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<v Speaker 3>Coconhat is she the dowager?

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<v Speaker 2>No, she bought a burial plot with a fixed term

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<v Speaker 2>concession in Notre Dame Cemetery in the city of Luxembourg.

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<v Speaker 2>Meaning there's like a lease with an end date.

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<v Speaker 3>Yea, as I'm saying, did they dig them up and

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<v Speaker 3>move them?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, she has this metal plaque put up that red

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<v Speaker 2>and German. Blessed are the people who are homesick, because

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<v Speaker 2>they should come home. And so, while passing through Luxembourg

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<v Speaker 2>City in nineteen sixty one, the circus extended the concession

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<v Speaker 2>for another fifteen years. But then when that fifteen years

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<v Speaker 2>was up, the monument was supposed to be demolished. The

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<v Speaker 2>director of the National Tourist Office got the German press

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<v Speaker 2>all riled up, and they demanded that the lease be

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<v Speaker 2>extended and everything remain in place. And like members of

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<v Speaker 2>European Parliament spoke out in favor of unlimited prolongation of

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<v Speaker 2>the maintenance of the burial place.

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<v Speaker 3>That's great, great, who's going to pay? Going to write

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<v Speaker 3>the check?

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<v Speaker 2>While this is going on, his tombstone is falling apart,

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<v Speaker 2>like it's literally crumbling. So the city of Luxembourg they

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<v Speaker 2>organized a competition to design a new monument. They got

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<v Speaker 2>one that was like a Prussian helmet in this like

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<v Speaker 2>inscription I hope, yeah, So they moved it. His remains

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<v Speaker 2>were moved to a new location in the cemetery, and

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<v Speaker 2>as the funeral procession made its way to like reinter him,

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<v Speaker 2>they passed by some French soldiers and a member of

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<v Speaker 2>the funeral cortege told the commanding officer that the world

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<v Speaker 2>famous Captain of Copenick was passing by. The Frenchman they

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<v Speaker 2>they thought that the VIP from the Luxembourg Army was

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<v Speaker 2>passing by. Like they didn't understand, and the leader of

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<v Speaker 2>the platoon ordered his men to halt and fire off

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<v Speaker 2>a salute.

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<v Speaker 3>And the captains on it.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like a last gesture of respect for a brother officer,

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<v Speaker 2>like so he pulls off the stolen valor one last time, Zaren,

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<v Speaker 2>what's your ridiculous takeaway?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh man? Uh, Like, the undocumented in a time where

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<v Speaker 3>you can't really prove your identity because you don't have

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<v Speaker 3>like a DNA and fingerprints like a known technology must

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<v Speaker 3>have been a nightmare. But at the same time, I'm

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<v Speaker 3>for a criminal kind of a dream because you can

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<v Speaker 3>always say, on this other person, if you could forge

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<v Speaker 3>your paperwork, great, But for someone like Camboo's unwilling to

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<v Speaker 3>do that lifestyle instead, I just can't imagine. Well, I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>tell these stories.

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<v Speaker 2>Think about kids who were born in Mexico and they

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<v Speaker 2>come here as an infant, sure, and they've never been

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<v Speaker 2>to Mexico. Sure, and they are not citizens. They're under

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<v Speaker 2>basically the situation you can't go anywhere, you can't get

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<v Speaker 2>a job and leave the country. Yeah, So it's like

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<v Speaker 2>there's no solution for them. I mean, there is a

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<v Speaker 2>solution for it, but it's like to be in that

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<v Speaker 2>position is such a it's so difficult, Like Catch twenty two.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm so over it. I'm so ready for like United

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<v Speaker 3>States of the World, not like the US runs the world.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't mean that, but I mean like every world,

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<v Speaker 3>Like oh no, not even well whatever new World over yet,

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<v Speaker 3>but all the countries right or just federated states, and

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<v Speaker 3>we have like a global governance at least at the

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<v Speaker 3>level of like travel, documentation, taxes, pollutions, certain things that

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<v Speaker 3>affect everybody on a global scale, Like can we always

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<v Speaker 3>get this not the un I don't want like, oh,

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<v Speaker 3>we're gonna have these people standard and make sure these

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<v Speaker 3>people get fatter, don't choot each other. I don't mean that.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, like, do the global stuff and boom. I

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<v Speaker 3>think it's ridiculous that we still don't have that. So

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<v Speaker 3>there you go.

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<v Speaker 5>Second away.

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<v Speaker 3>I found it backwards, Elizabeth, I've already covered it.

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<v Speaker 2>I do need to talk back.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, let's hit that up.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh my god, did you see that? I love.

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<v Speaker 4>Ridiculous crime.

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<v Speaker 7>Just listen to the episode about the college art thief

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<v Speaker 7>started out selling IDs finally stold the autubon books. You

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<v Speaker 7>said a name Harry Balls, and he it should be

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<v Speaker 7>pronounced Harry Falls and I.

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<v Speaker 4>Anyway, love you guys. This is Gravy the truck driver.

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<v Speaker 3>You could call me a nice.

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<v Speaker 4>That's Gravy the truck driver.

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<v Speaker 5>Peace.

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<v Speaker 4>Hey, you guys, this is a grave the truck driver. Again.

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<v Speaker 4>I've got to tell you.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, you can use my name and voice on the

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<v Speaker 7>email or whatever, just not my phone number.

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<v Speaker 3>Antime in you gotta deal crazy with the truck driver.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my goodness.

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<v Speaker 3>Shout out to the truck drivers. You bought it, a

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<v Speaker 3>truck brought it.

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