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Speaker 1: Ridiculous Crime is a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Zaren YoY Elizabeth listen here. Yeah, you know what's ridiculous.

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Speaker 3: I do.

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Speaker 2: What's that you love animals? I do.

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Speaker 3: That's not ridiculous. The part that's ridiculous is I was

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Speaker 3: thinking about you because you've been looking for pets recently

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Speaker 3: and going.

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Speaker 2: Online, although sometimes I'm kind of looking for I see, yeah,

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Speaker 2: definitely a dog.

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Speaker 3: I've heard you talking to the intern so like, and

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Speaker 3: then the dogs look at you and they go, oh,

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Speaker 3: you should get a cat. Yeah, guys, that's messed up. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So I was looking at some just online stories and

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Speaker 3: I found one about a bird that was being offered.

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Speaker 3: But you're a little late. There are about four hundred

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Speaker 3: people ahead of you in line for this bird. The

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Speaker 3: bird was put up by the Niagara SPCA, and apparently

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Speaker 3: it's an Amazon parrot, really a really beautiful white fronted

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Speaker 3: Amazon parrot. Yeah, but apparently the parrot was known for

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Speaker 3: saying things like you want me to kick your rack?

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Speaker 3: So this was a foul mouth, white fronted Amazon parrot

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Speaker 3: which was known to be able to do like thirty

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Speaker 3: forty different sounds. And uh, the SBCA are trying to

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Speaker 3: give this pad away. They've been putting a posts on Facebook, right,

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Speaker 3: so one of them is like quote on the bride side.

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Speaker 3: If you want to keep unannounced company from dropping in,

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Speaker 3: adopt pepper. They'll think twice after being cussed out by

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Speaker 3: your new foul mouth feather friend.

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Speaker 2: It's incredible.

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Speaker 3: Give us a call if you want to add a

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Speaker 3: spicy pepper to your life. Somebody get this guy a

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Speaker 3: bar of soap or a humor loving home. So people

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Speaker 3: they start as old you four hundred people, I want

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Speaker 3: the bird.

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Speaker 4: Yes.

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Speaker 3: One person's like my grandma's eighty one years old, swears

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Speaker 3: all the time, she needs company. This would be great

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Speaker 3: for her. So there you go. I'm going to get

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Speaker 3: you a cursing parrot.

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Speaker 2: We should get a cursing parrot for headquarters.

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Speaker 3: Totally in a poop flinging monkey.

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Speaker 2: Okay, that's just for me, that's for you. That's good.

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Speaker 2: H Do you know what else is ridiculous?

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Speaker 5: No?

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Speaker 3: What do you got for me?

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Speaker 2: Dealing things? Especially valor?

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Speaker 5: Oh?

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Speaker 2: This is a ridiculous crime A podcast about absurd and

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Speaker 2: outrageous capers, heists, and cons. It's always ninety nine percent

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Speaker 2: murder free and one hundred percent ridiculous.

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Speaker 3: Damn right.

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Speaker 2: I like to consider myself a pacifist.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I do. I consider you a pacifist.

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Speaker 2: What's the exception of my violent language?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, you have very violent languages.

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Speaker 2: And my belief that I would be the perfect person

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Speaker 2: to be command in the scandals, like just ordering deaths,

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Speaker 2: not caring executing heads of state for the republic. But

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Speaker 2: so I consider myself a pacifist, but I do support

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Speaker 2: our military very much.

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Speaker 3: Well, these are different things and for some people's capacities,

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Speaker 3: Like you could be a personal pacifist, but agreement with

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Speaker 3: the military. Some people are pacifists up and down the line,

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Speaker 2: I mean, we do have the most incredible fighting force

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's really impest.

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Speaker 2: And then you know there's that sacrifice, the risk that

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Speaker 2: members of the armed forces take on. Oh I definitely

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Speaker 2: you got the psychological damage as well as the physical.

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Speaker 2: And that's why active duty and veterans deserve respect.

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Speaker 3: Even if I don't agree with something that they were

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Speaker 2: And yeah, so whether or not. You agree, they earn respect,

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Speaker 2: they earn deference. But what happens when you get folks

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Speaker 2: a lot of things. But I want to talk to

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Speaker 2: you today about stolen valor my people. And it's not

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Speaker 3: Oh not my people. I thought you met stolen like

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Speaker 3: valure suits tracksuits.

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Speaker 2: Yes, no, I really I should learn to speak. So

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Speaker 2: these are military impostors who lie about being in the service,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, generally speaking.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I found that to be true unless we.

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Speaker 2: That's when they do, right. The ones who crow about

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Speaker 2: their service and like tilt tales of daring do and

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Speaker 2: So in the US, there's actually a federal law against

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Speaker 2: stolen valor. So you can get fined or even do

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Speaker 2: time if you misrepresent your service, particularly if you say

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Speaker 3: And is the qualifying part that makes a criminal that

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Speaker 3: you are receiving money or goods.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you have like the fraud with intent to get

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Speaker 3: So it's essentially a type of fraud.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, or like a tangible benefit.

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Speaker 3: Oh benefit, like prep prioritized housing.

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Speaker 2: The guy exactly, the guy who sits at the end

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Speaker 2: of the bar regaling other barflies with like tales of

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Speaker 2: his time in country, isn't really breaking the law until

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Speaker 2: someone buys him drink and things, and then he is Yeah,

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Speaker 3: Okay, because he's getting something again stolen valor.

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Speaker 2: There are a lot of military impostors, and I want

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Speaker 2: to tell you about some some who are just plain ridiculous,

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Speaker 2: But there have also been really high profile military impostors.

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Speaker 3: I used to be a military and postor. You know

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Speaker 3: some people with military reenactors. I used to pretend that

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Speaker 3: reenactor places and just wearing like the wrong costume and

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Speaker 3: just be like what. I'm like, I'm the guy who

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Speaker 3: stole the costume in the Civil War. You need them too,

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Speaker 3: I'm just trying to get out of here. I'm the

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Speaker 3: guy who's lying to get out of war. It's part

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Speaker 3: of war. Just like this guy. I'm not allowed in

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Speaker 2: Now, let me tell you about a classic military impostor

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Speaker 2: none other than l. Ron Hubbard, science really science fiction

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Speaker 2: quote unquote Church of Scientology. They say that Hubbard was

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Speaker 2: a quote much decorated war hero who commanded a corvette

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Speaker 2: and during hostilities was crippled and wounded.

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Speaker 3: Now you mean the ship and not the car.

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Speaker 2: The car exactly so that. They also say that he

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Speaker 2: served in quote all five theaters of World War two,

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Speaker 3: What are all five? I'm going over my head in Europe, Africa,

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Speaker 3: Asia Pacific. The Asia Pacific is one, and then I

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Speaker 3: got the eastern front of Russia. I guess I imagine,

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Speaker 3: but Russia, Poland, you know, right space? Or is it

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Speaker 2: It could be?

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Speaker 3: Is it just one theater?

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Speaker 2: Europe, Africa, Pacific?

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Speaker 3: All right, I'm running into you. Gotta what Arctic there

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Speaker 3: was like battles up.

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Speaker 2: I want to know is the other one like South

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Speaker 2: America Space. Okay, so he said they won twenty one medals.

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Speaker 3: That's crazy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So, according to the scientologists, he was quote severely

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Speaker 2: where he quote worked his way back to fitness, strength,

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Speaker 2: relationship to the universe. Wait, what, yeah, the Tom Cruise

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Speaker 2: of it all. So was el Ron in the military? Yes?

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Speaker 2: He was in the he was in the service. Was

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Speaker 2: he a Tom Cruise esque super soldier? No, not on

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Speaker 2: your life. So according to the experts.

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Speaker 3: He didn't even say anybody, which.

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Speaker 2: Means official Navy service records. Sure, his military performance was

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Speaker 2: He did get some campaign medals, but he was never injured.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, never wounded. He didn't get the purple heart that

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Speaker 3: Oh if he wasn't wounded.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, most of his military service was spent on US

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Speaker 2: He he briefly commanded two anti submarine vessels. But he

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So in June of forty two, he gets command

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Speaker 3: Oh, can't let him take the boat out by himself.

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Speaker 2: No, forty three, they give him command of a submarine chaser.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they came up empty. The Navy investigated. They figured

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Speaker 2: So the next month he unwittingly fired upon Mexican territory,

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Speaker 2: and then he was relieved of command. So that's all.

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Speaker 2: As to like his crippling in battle in June of

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Speaker 2: nineteen forty two, Navy records show that he was suffering

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Speaker 2: So he had pink eye and a leap. Yeah. After

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Speaker 2: his brief run as a wayward subchaser, he started getting

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Speaker 2: sick a lot. He complained that he had ulcers, malaria,

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Speaker 2: back pain. So in July, for yeah, he was like,

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Speaker 2: so he gets checked into the San die Go Naval

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Speaker 3: I got the sleep fever and like.

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Speaker 2: While like, by laying in the hospital bed, he avoids

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Speaker 2: a lot of heat from his commanding officers because they

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Speaker 2: come in. He's like, so he faked his record in

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Speaker 2: order to get ahead and lend himself an air of credibility.

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Speaker 2: But that's like his whole career, right whatever, As it

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Speaker 2: is known, he has said to many people. He said

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Speaker 2: to many people over the years, quote, you don't get

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Speaker 2: rich writing science fiction. If you want to get rich,

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Speaker 2: you start a religion. That's so, I mean that tracks

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Speaker 2: with his whole career.

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Speaker 3: So he wanted to get rich.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what you're telling you. Yeah, you want to

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Speaker 2: know who else was a military impostor actor? Brian Denahey,

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Speaker 2: what yah? He enlisted in the Marines in nineteen fifty

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Speaker 3: And he's also signing a bunch of other letters right

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Speaker 2: They've been pre approved. Yeah, those war wounds. He had

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Speaker 6: Yeah, shell back now, yeah, he breaks it partying while

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Speaker 2: Joe. Let me give you one more famous military impossible.

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Speaker 3: Wow.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Now, he did fight in World War two w

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Speaker 3: What about your nine thousand person army that you let

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Speaker 3: They all died.

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Speaker 2: They all died. I was amazing to survive it.

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Speaker 3: We want our last battle.

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Speaker 2: They all died. Those guys are ridiculous. But I have

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Speaker 2: and they're not specific, it's just vaguely Asian. So martial

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Speaker 3: Wise, especially for kids.

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Speaker 2: Good balance, discipline, not like all about defending yourself in

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Speaker 2: He can count to ten in Korean thanks to taekwon,

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Speaker 2: You're saying he cleans. He's more disciplined with that because

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Speaker 2: So cute anyway. You know who else felt cute in

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Speaker 2: a fighting outfit? Fella by the name of Frank Dukes.

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Speaker 3: Frank Dukes. Why's the name sound familiar?

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Speaker 2: Du x Oh, I don't know this Dukes? Canadian guy

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Speaker 3: Are we sure it's not Frank Ducks.

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Speaker 2: His family moved to Los Angeles when he was seven,

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Speaker 3: Othertimes he verbally assault me just to test my replexes.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for the training. So his legend is that

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Speaker 2: he was introduced to and trained in ninjuitsu. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 2: by Senzo Tiger Tanaka of the Ninja. Yeah, exactly. Ninjutsu

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Speaker 3: Totally American ninja.

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Speaker 2: Guys. Here, totally ninja means one who is invisible or

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Speaker 3: I Joe terms, so I can understand. I really I

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Speaker 2: Wait, snake eyes was in ninja, right, yeah.

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Speaker 3: I was like, oh no ninja bad ninja.

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Speaker 3: Oh yes, I was a nine year old boy.

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Speaker 2: How to make shoes that are silent, you know, then

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Speaker 3: How to fight a number fighting.

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Speaker 2: How to fight with a sword at night, Oh different.

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Speaker 3: Very careful, blinding reflections.

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Speaker 2: How to listen to small sounds.

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Speaker 3: Like squirrels and stuff beats, yeah.

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Speaker 2: Ice cream trucks. They learn little moras that keep guard

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Speaker 3: I know they also learned makeup, sure they do. They

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Speaker 2: Is in okay, all right? Interesting, Well Frank Duke's he

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Speaker 2: generations of warriors. Ah Senzo Tiger Tanaka. Hey, Dizzy, why

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Speaker 2: is it my nickname Tiger?

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Speaker 3: That's waiting for you to bring that up just the

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Speaker 3: I did with Dizzy, I think it's only fair that

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Speaker 3: to extend it and call your nickname is Tiger Tanaka too.

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Speaker 2: I'm just a dizzy and Tiger.

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Speaker 3: I like that.

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Speaker 2: So according to Tig Yeah, according to Duke's, Tiger Tanaka

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Speaker 2: brought him to Masuda, Japan when he was only sixteen

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Speaker 2: for ninja training. It's so correct. It's it's child trafficking.

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Speaker 2: Quote we quote. We developed a kinship like no other,

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Speaker 2: Duke said about Tiger. Here's what Dukes wrote in basically

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Speaker 2: his his biography. He wrote, but like the third person, okay,

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00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:32,520
Speaker 2: so of course quote the best people do. When the

445
00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:36,199
Speaker 2: boy reached sixteen years of age, Tanaka brought him to

446
00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:41,000
Speaker 2: Japan to the legendary ninja land of Masuda. There, the

447
00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:45,520
Speaker 2: boy's outstanding abilities shocked and pleased the ninja community when

448
00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:48,560
Speaker 2: he tested for the right to call himself Ninja.

449
00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:51,640
Speaker 3: This sounds like Ska was telling the story. It sounds

450
00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:53,400
Speaker 3: like a Middle Ages tale.

451
00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:58,040
Speaker 2: Brought and in the manuscript that he has, he says

452
00:22:58,080 --> 00:23:02,080
Speaker 2: that Tiger was found dead on July thirtieth, nineteen seventy five,

453
00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:07,320
Speaker 2: and he was buried by a group of ninjas in California.

454
00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:10,160
Speaker 2: And I don't know why, but in my head, it's

455
00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:13,080
Speaker 2: like guys in ninja costumes in like the San Bernardino

456
00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:16,879
Speaker 2: Mountains just digging a Hole's that's the way I saw that.

457
00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:21,639
Speaker 3: It's amazing, Yeah, silently, just sitting there, sweating, digging a hole.

458
00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:25,520
Speaker 2: Here's the thing, though there's no record of Tiger in

459
00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:29,120
Speaker 2: any historical text or from any martial arts.

460
00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:30,320
Speaker 3: I've never heard the name before.

461
00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:33,320
Speaker 2: There's no death record for him in California at any

462
00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:34,639
Speaker 2: time during the nineteen seven, and.

463
00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:36,680
Speaker 3: I used to buy ninja stars and go to Chinatown

464
00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:37,240
Speaker 3: as a boy.

465
00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:40,240
Speaker 2: Dukes explains this a way by saying that Tiger lived

466
00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:41,800
Speaker 2: under an assumed na of course.

467
00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:44,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, in a community you've never heard of, part of

468
00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:45,360
Speaker 3: an ancient tradition of silence.

469
00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:51,199
Speaker 2: Shotto Tanamora, an actual recognized ninja master. He said in

470
00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:54,399
Speaker 2: an interview that he had never heard of Dukes or Tiger.

471
00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:55,760
Speaker 3: I don't know either one of them.

472
00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:59,119
Speaker 2: He was like, quote, there is no mister Tanaka in

473
00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:01,480
Speaker 2: Japanese history of the ninja family, of.

474
00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:03,320
Speaker 3: Course, yeah, and they are all known. That's one of

475
00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:05,680
Speaker 3: the other things Japan great record keeping.

476
00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:09,719
Speaker 2: So Tanimura said that the nickname Tiger was used by

477
00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:13,600
Speaker 2: a well known master in Japan who's dead, and he said, quote,

478
00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:18,000
Speaker 2: many crazy guys stand up as ninja masters, but there

479
00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:19,760
Speaker 2: is Jesus ninja masters.

480
00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:21,399
Speaker 3: These are common roles for the crazy.

481
00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:25,600
Speaker 2: There is a Tiger Tanaka, he just exists. In fiction.

482
00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:29,840
Speaker 2: Tiger Tanaka is a character a Japanese agent in the

483
00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:33,240
Speaker 2: Ian Fleming novel and James Bond film You Only Live Twice.

484
00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:34,720
Speaker 3: Oh, is it a girl?

485
00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:37,520
Speaker 2: No, a guy, It's a guy. When asked about that,

486
00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:40,600
Speaker 2: Duke said, Ian Fleming used to base his characters on

487
00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:41,200
Speaker 2: real people.

488
00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:43,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's a super spike guy. He knows you and

489
00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:43,920
Speaker 3: I don't.

490
00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:47,360
Speaker 2: So he gets his ninja training course, then he goes

491
00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:48,200
Speaker 2: into the Marines.

492
00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:51,760
Speaker 3: Why just that's just downgrading. I mean, the man's a

493
00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:53,479
Speaker 3: living ice weapon.

494
00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:54,600
Speaker 2: I smell a movie coming.

495
00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:59,240
Speaker 3: Claude van Dam write this day.

496
00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:02,119
Speaker 2: Oh oh. He was in the Marines from nineteen seventy

497
00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:05,080
Speaker 2: five to nineteen eighty one. And during this period of time,

498
00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:07,440
Speaker 2: Uncle Sam sent him on secret missions.

499
00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:09,480
Speaker 3: You think it's Vietnam done, Okay, I'll check out.

500
00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:12,640
Speaker 2: Secret missions in Southeast Asia.

501
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:13,360
Speaker 3: Oh he went back.

502
00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:16,119
Speaker 2: He's not over to the bamboo flutes like he's.

503
00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:19,159
Speaker 3: Going to get the mia POWs.

504
00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:22,040
Speaker 2: So while on these missions, he did a lot of stuff.

505
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:25,320
Speaker 2: He did covert stuff, stuff he can't really talk about

506
00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:29,360
Speaker 2: rambo stuff. Yeah. He was described in Black Belt magazine, which.

507
00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:32,720
Speaker 3: Magazine ever as being.

508
00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:36,920
Speaker 2: Quote decorated for his blade fighting techniques in actual combat

509
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:38,720
Speaker 2: in Southeast Asia.

510
00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:40,560
Speaker 3: You know how it goes. When you were like reading

511
00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:42,480
Speaker 3: books and going to school, he was studying the blade.

512
00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:46,680
Speaker 2: He was studying the blade decorated, You say, Elizabeth, yes, yes, Sensey,

513
00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:49,720
Speaker 2: how decorated Elizabeth great questions, Aaron, He said he did

514
00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:54,159
Speaker 2: earn a secret medal of honor for his work. Secret

515
00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:58,400
Speaker 2: and there wassible. There was a secret ceremony in which

516
00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:00,800
Speaker 2: it was granted him secretly. He can't tell you any

517
00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:01,680
Speaker 2: more about it.

518
00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:02,280
Speaker 3: It's a secret.

519
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:09,480
Speaker 2: He opened ninjutsu schools, multiple schools. Yeah, and naturally you

520
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:11,880
Speaker 2: know he did that. And in the brochures it says

521
00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:14,800
Speaker 2: he's quote one of the most decorated veterans of the

522
00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:21,679
Speaker 2: Southeast Asian conflict. So at his house he had newspaper

523
00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:26,080
Speaker 2: clippings about himself displayed. One was an editorial called a

524
00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:31,080
Speaker 2: Silent Hero from the Washington Star Washington. Yeah, little problem.

525
00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:33,680
Speaker 2: That is a newspaper, but their archives have no clippings

526
00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:38,000
Speaker 2: about him. And then the phony editorial quotes from a

527
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:43,960
Speaker 2: commanding officer's diary quote, we're hungry, we're tired, we're all

528
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:46,800
Speaker 2: out of AMMO. We all might go mad if not

529
00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:49,399
Speaker 2: for a spunky kid named Duke for short.

530
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:51,240
Speaker 5: Wow.

531
00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:51,560
Speaker 3: Yeah.

532
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:55,399
Speaker 2: It goes on to talk about Duke's crawling through a

533
00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:58,840
Speaker 2: minefield to rescue an Asian baby that he later turned

534
00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:00,399
Speaker 2: over to a Taoist priest.

535
00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:01,119
Speaker 3: Nice.

536
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:05,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, And you're right. His name is spelled Dux anyway. Okay,

537
00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:08,880
Speaker 2: when this is the other part of it quote when

538
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:13,440
Speaker 2: we almost gave up, the Duke by himself charged the gun.

539
00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:17,119
Speaker 2: The next thing you know, the Duke was behind the gun,

540
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:19,040
Speaker 2: cutting the enemy.

541
00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:20,960
Speaker 3: To pieces, not ribbons.

542
00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:24,480
Speaker 2: He must have killed a hundred at least. He turned

543
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:27,920
Speaker 2: defeat into victory. One hundred at least. I don't know.

544
00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:30,720
Speaker 3: One of their greatest heroes of World War One. Weack

545
00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:32,439
Speaker 3: when people would do a lot of fighting hand by

546
00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:34,800
Speaker 3: him and the storm, you know, in the trenches and everything,

547
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:37,640
Speaker 3: and go into a hole. He killed twenty people and

548
00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:40,359
Speaker 3: like that was over the whole night. And that was

549
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:42,760
Speaker 3: in defense of somebody else who couldn't escape and they

550
00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:46,080
Speaker 3: were charging him. This guy killed one hundred people or

551
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:48,880
Speaker 3: so at least in front of witnesses at least. None

552
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:51,919
Speaker 3: of them fought to go help him, hard to anything there.

553
00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:54,639
Speaker 2: And they were tired and they were out of AMMO.

554
00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:59,719
Speaker 2: So so, Yes, he was in the Marine Corps from

555
00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:00,920
Speaker 2: seven twenty five to eighty.

556
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:01,960
Speaker 3: One, and he is a real person.

557
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:06,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, but he never left the United States. In fact,

558
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:11,000
Speaker 2: he never left San Diego. The scariest thing that he

559
00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:13,720
Speaker 2: did there was fall off a truck on purpose. He

560
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:17,439
Speaker 2: fell up well accidentally. His military medical file said that

561
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:20,440
Speaker 2: on January twenty second, nineteen seventy eight, he was referred

562
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:26,480
Speaker 2: for psychiatric evaluation, quote expressing flighty and disconnected ideas about

563
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:30,119
Speaker 2: his supposed intelligence work. Oh right, yeah, And then a

564
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:33,600
Speaker 2: follow up medical evaluation at a military psychiatric clinic in

565
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:35,959
Speaker 2: Long Beach. They found him fine. They're like, hey, he's

566
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:36,439
Speaker 2: all right.

567
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:37,359
Speaker 3: He's good to hold a gun.

568
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:40,760
Speaker 2: They said that his only possible intelligence work was being

569
00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:46,280
Speaker 2: sort of involved in gathering information about one individual. Oh

570
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 2: so he did something.

571
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:49,760
Speaker 3: I wonder if the military has to deal with this

572
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:52,760
Speaker 3: a lot people who are just absolutely out of their gazebo.

573
00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:55,200
Speaker 3: I want to be a super spy. I want to

574
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:56,040
Speaker 3: be a super soldier.

575
00:28:56,120 --> 00:29:00,240
Speaker 2: But dukes, He said, the military sabotaged his record to

576
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:01,080
Speaker 2: discredit him.

577
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:02,440
Speaker 3: Of course they did, Elizabeth.

578
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:07,160
Speaker 2: It's a very old scandal slash Michael Larson move. He

579
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:10,520
Speaker 2: claimed that the government did not know how much he

580
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:15,080
Speaker 2: knew about other covert operations, so they messed with his

581
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 2: file to destroy his credibility. I'm not wrong, They're wrong exactly.

582
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:21,880
Speaker 2: They want you to think I'm wrong. Of course they

583
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:24,720
Speaker 2: tell you that I know too much. He said he

584
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:29,040
Speaker 2: wasn't getting the decorations he deserved, so he said that

585
00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:32,719
Speaker 2: he just nagged them and bugged them. Yeah, until one

586
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:34,520
Speaker 2: day he gets a phone call telling him to go

587
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:37,480
Speaker 2: to an address in West la And he gets there

588
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:42,680
Speaker 2: and someone hands him a paper bag full of military medals.

589
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:42,920
Speaker 5: Mari.

590
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:46,400
Speaker 2: Marine Lieutenant Colonel John Shotwell.

591
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:47,880
Speaker 3: I'm picturing like a lunch bag of medals.

592
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:52,160
Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh yeah, so Lieutenant Colonel Shotwell in DC, he said,

593
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:56,080
Speaker 2: Duke's military file shows there is quote no indication in

594
00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:59,520
Speaker 2: there anywhere that Duke's got any military awards.

595
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:00,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, why would he?

596
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:04,560
Speaker 2: We got a paper it's a secret, Sarah, I forgot right. Uh.

597
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:08,240
Speaker 2: Marine Lieutenant Colonel David Tomsky was shown a photo of

598
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:11,160
Speaker 2: Duke's in uniform with his medals, and he said, a

599
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:13,160
Speaker 2: bunch of the ribbons were worn out of sequence.

600
00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 3: That's what I was about to say. We've talked about

601
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:15,840
Speaker 3: this because of scandal.

602
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:19,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, Tomsky said, quote, I do not believe there has

603
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:22,320
Speaker 2: ever been an instance of the medal of honor being

604
00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:27,480
Speaker 2: bestowed secretly. And then one of the medals that he

605
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:29,600
Speaker 2: wore in the photo was an Army medal. Not a

606
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:34,000
Speaker 2: Marine medal, and Duke said he wasn't able to get

607
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:36,720
Speaker 2: the military to explain why he was given medals from

608
00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:38,200
Speaker 2: different branches of the service.

609
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:41,680
Speaker 3: I thought that that gave out secret medals was a

610
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:44,560
Speaker 3: CIA because you can't know who their agents are. Sure,

611
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:46,760
Speaker 3: of all the government agencies, I thought they were the

612
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:47,360
Speaker 3: only one.

613
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:50,480
Speaker 2: Who really Well, maybe he was CIA. So we have

614
00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:53,920
Speaker 2: this war hero trained as a ninja, of course, he

615
00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:57,440
Speaker 2: said his phony master's phony last wish on his phony

616
00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:01,280
Speaker 2: deathbed was that Dukes participate in something called the Kumi

617
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:05,040
Speaker 2: tem tem te. What is the km on a surface?

618
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:07,520
Speaker 2: Koumi te is the name for the part in karate

619
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:11,480
Speaker 2: training where you fight another person, basically scrimmage. But this

620
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 2: was the Kumi te oh omega no holds barred mixed

621
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:21,320
Speaker 2: martial arts battle in which fighters faced off in sixty

622
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:23,120
Speaker 2: rounds of hand to hand combat.

623
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 3: Did this take place on an abandoned island in the

624
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:29,120
Speaker 3: Asian Pacific, Yes, and run by a man who had

625
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:30,240
Speaker 3: claws for a hand.

626
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:33,600
Speaker 2: It's held in secret every five years.

627
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:33,880
Speaker 5: Yes.

628
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:39,160
Speaker 2: Dukes was apparently secretly invited to the Kumi Te Championship

629
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:41,600
Speaker 2: in Nassau, Bahamas in nineteen seventy five.

630
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:42,800
Speaker 3: Oh like entered the Dragon.

631
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:46,880
Speaker 2: Yes, so he wanted to fulfill Tiger's dying wish that

632
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:49,600
Speaker 2: he'd go there and wreck shop. And he did, and

633
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 2: he did so he was the first Westerner to win

634
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:53,520
Speaker 2: the tournament.

635
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:54,560
Speaker 3: Oh good for him.

636
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:58,800
Speaker 2: He set world records for most consecutive knockouts fifty six,

637
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 2: the fast just knockout three point two seconds, and the

638
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:06,640
Speaker 2: fastest punch point one two seconds point.

639
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:07,360
Speaker 3: One two seconds.

640
00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:09,640
Speaker 2: That's very fa fastest.

641
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:12,880
Speaker 3: Take that, Bruce Lee one inch punch. How about this

642
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:14,080
Speaker 3: tenth of a second punch?

643
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:17,800
Speaker 2: It's amazing. All of this is to be taken with

644
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:21,560
Speaker 2: a grain of salt. Since this was a secret competition,

645
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:25,280
Speaker 2: there are really no records for it, and according to Dukes,

646
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 2: he was the first person to be given permission to

647
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:29,840
Speaker 2: speak publicly about the Kumite.

648
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:32,360
Speaker 3: So is he trying to basically take both Bruce Lee

649
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 3: and Jean Claude van Dam's film careers and turn them

650
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:36,960
Speaker 3: into one life for himself that thought?

651
00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:40,040
Speaker 2: Oh sorry, So he won a sword as one of

652
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 2: the prizes for being the best fighter. Man, of course

653
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:47,160
Speaker 2: you got to win other trophy. If this sounds a

654
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:50,800
Speaker 2: lot like the plot of a Jean Claude Van Dam movie. Yeah, say,

655
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:53,640
Speaker 2: for instance, Bloodspot, First Spot On.

656
00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:56,360
Speaker 3: Enter the Dragon and blood Spot. You just put him together.

657
00:32:56,880 --> 00:33:00,280
Speaker 2: Story the nineteen eighty eight film is based on. Is

658
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:02,800
Speaker 2: Dukes is Kumite domination?

659
00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:03,120
Speaker 5: What?

660
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:07,560
Speaker 2: Jean Claude van Dam plays a guy named Frank Dukes

661
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:13,520
Speaker 2: in the movie So Sheldon Lettie he came up with

662
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 2: the idea for blood Sport. According to him quote, I

663
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:19,040
Speaker 2: had known Frank Dukes for a number of months before

664
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:21,560
Speaker 2: I came up with the idea for blood Sport. Frank

665
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:23,800
Speaker 2: told me a lot of tall tales, most of which

666
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:27,720
Speaker 2: turned out to be but his stories about participating in

667
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:30,560
Speaker 2: this so called Kumata event sounded like a great idea

668
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:33,440
Speaker 2: for a movie. There was one guy who he introduced

669
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:36,320
Speaker 2: me to named Richard Bender, who claimed to have actually

670
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:39,720
Speaker 2: been at the Kumata event, who swore everything Frank told

671
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:42,160
Speaker 2: me was true. A few years later, this guy had

672
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:44,240
Speaker 2: a falling out with Frank and confessed to me that

673
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:46,760
Speaker 2: everything he told me about the Kumaite was a lie.

674
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:51,440
Speaker 2: Frank had coached him and what to say? Curious So anyway,

675
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:57,600
Speaker 2: Dukes obviously disputes. He says that he's the one who

676
00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:00,520
Speaker 2: wrote the treatment and the screenplay of course, and he

677
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:03,200
Speaker 2: worked as the fight coordinator for blood Sport, but also

678
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:06,560
Speaker 2: the nineteen ninety film Lionheart and the nineteen ninety three

679
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 2: film Only the Strong.

680
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:09,920
Speaker 3: Wait are you serious about.

681
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:12,640
Speaker 2: I'm dead serious. He was the fight coordinator for those films.

682
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:16,800
Speaker 2: That's true. In nineteen ninety six, he released the book

683
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 2: The Secret Man, An American Warriors Uncensored Story, and in

684
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:26,440
Speaker 2: it he like he divulges that the CIA CIA director

685
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:29,800
Speaker 2: William Casey arranged to meet him in a bathroom.

686
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:33,120
Speaker 1: He said.

687
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:36,440
Speaker 2: He said that Casey recruited him to work on covert missions.

688
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:40,880
Speaker 2: One of those missions was destroying a fuel depot in Nicaragua.

689
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:44,040
Speaker 2: Another was blowing up a chemical weapons plant in Iraq.

690
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:45,920
Speaker 3: Plausible.

691
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:51,080
Speaker 2: This is after he won the Kumite. He also he used.

692
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:54,920
Speaker 3: The drafting and scouting.

693
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:55,760
Speaker 2: It was a scout.

694
00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 3: Yeah.

695
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:58,799
Speaker 2: He used the sword he won in the tournament to

696
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:00,960
Speaker 2: pay off Philip Peno pirates.

697
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:02,239
Speaker 3: Wait to say that again.

698
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:03,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, he won.

699
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 3: He took the sword he won from the to pay

700
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:07,399
Speaker 3: off Filipino Park.

701
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:09,880
Speaker 2: Apparently they were hold because like they were holding a

702
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:14,560
Speaker 2: boat full of orphans caps. I need, I don't know.

703
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:16,400
Speaker 2: This is all I have here's what Dukes had to

704
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:19,280
Speaker 2: say about it. Quote, we took up arms and fought

705
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:22,160
Speaker 2: boat pirates and we got these kids free. I'm in

706
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:24,360
Speaker 2: touch with some of them, and they love me to death.

707
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:27,000
Speaker 2: And I'll tell you, I've got one kid who's about

708
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:29,319
Speaker 2: fifteen years old. All I have to do is look

709
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:31,360
Speaker 2: cross eyed at one guy and he'll kill for me.

710
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 3: I've got an uncle I'm convinced has a book by

711
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:36,799
Speaker 3: this guy. Probably yes, he has a bunch of these,

712
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:39,759
Speaker 3: like Richard Marsenko type. So like these guys are like

713
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 3: I was a secret operative for the whatever, right maybe

714
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:45,200
Speaker 3: the right? Yes. Sure.

715
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 2: A lot of big names get mentioned in the secret

716
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:53,200
Speaker 2: manu huh. And they all said that his claims are garbage.

717
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 3: Everybody.

718
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:56,239
Speaker 2: So Robert Gates of the CIA said he never heard

719
00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 2: of Dukes, nor heard anyone else.

720
00:35:57,920 --> 00:35:59,719
Speaker 3: Former head of the SUP and again that they would

721
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:01,520
Speaker 3: say disavow.

722
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:04,920
Speaker 2: He said he worked for Storm and Norman Schwartzkough. General

723
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:10,120
Speaker 2: schwartz Cough and Major General John Singlob both said no,

724
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:13,240
Speaker 2: that's not hear he didn't single called the book quote

725
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:17,839
Speaker 2: virtually a complete fabrication. But this is what they would say.

726
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:20,400
Speaker 3: Of course, we've seen the movies.

727
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:23,680
Speaker 2: Elizabeth kinglob he had his lawyer tell the publisher to

728
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:27,680
Speaker 2: recall the book. Oh Dan Yeah, Soldier of Fortune magazine

729
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:32,480
Speaker 2: pointed out ten logical magazine right. Ten logical inconsistencies in

730
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:36,719
Speaker 2: the book, stuff like saying Casey personally handled his operations

731
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:38,799
Speaker 2: and made sure no one else in the CIA even

732
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:41,839
Speaker 2: knew he existed. But at the same time he talks

733
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:45,200
Speaker 2: about getting all of these documents supporting his missions. The

734
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 2: CIA doesn't usually comment about stuff like this, but a

735
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 2: CIA spokesman said the book was quote sheer fantasy and

736
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 2: that his claims were quote so preposterous that we thought

737
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 2: it was necessary.

738
00:36:56,760 --> 00:37:00,319
Speaker 3: Like it reached a level of the CIA is okay, girl, Yeah,

739
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:00,960
Speaker 3: hold my hand.

740
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:04,160
Speaker 2: Publishers Weekly said, quote it's hard to tell whether the

741
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:07,799
Speaker 2: author is merely posturing or expressing his fantasy life in

742
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:10,640
Speaker 2: a memoir that reads as if patterned on the early

743
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:15,279
Speaker 2: paperback Avenger series. So Dukes. He said in the book

744
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:17,799
Speaker 2: that his father worked for Massad before World War Two

745
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:22,000
Speaker 2: and joined the Jewish Brigade in nineteen thirty nine. Yeah,

746
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 2: that's the problem. Massad wasn't formed until after World War Two,

747
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:29,080
Speaker 2: and the Jewish Brigade wasn't formed until way after nineteen

748
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:31,800
Speaker 2: thirty nine, so never let the truth get in the

749
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:35,400
Speaker 2: way of good story. After fighting all the dudes at

750
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:39,880
Speaker 2: the Kumite, working as a CIA asset, amassing his orphan army,

751
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:42,799
Speaker 2: he went on to open a martial arts school in

752
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 2: Woodland Hills in North Hollywood, of course, and there he

753
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:49,960
Speaker 2: taught his own house blend martial arts style called Duke's

754
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:51,719
Speaker 2: Rue Nijitsu.

755
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:52,680
Speaker 3: Is he any j.

756
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:56,080
Speaker 2: Well, here's how he defines.

757
00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:58,279
Speaker 3: His Jean Claude van dam was actually good. No, I

758
00:37:58,280 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 3: think budging.

759
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:02,879
Speaker 2: I think he's good practice. So here's how he talks

760
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:07,839
Speaker 2: about his fighting style. Dukes Ru Ninjutsu or Duke's Ru

761
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:12,320
Speaker 2: is a style in methodology developed by Hanshi Frank Dukes

762
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:15,640
Speaker 2: geared toward the individual that allows them to progress faster,

763
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:19,759
Speaker 2: building around the person's strengths and weaknesses, and uses practical

764
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:23,440
Speaker 2: real world self defense that best works for them, thus

765
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:27,640
Speaker 2: making its foundation ninjutsu and your mind, body, and spirit

766
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:31,920
Speaker 2: the weapon. Duke's Ru allows the person to handle dynamic

767
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:36,400
Speaker 2: situations and environments, be it fighting multiple attackers, fighting in

768
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:40,040
Speaker 2: the dark in a crowd or a hallway, wet icy

769
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:43,960
Speaker 2: soft heart, or slippery ground. Therefore, the student adapts well

770
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:46,120
Speaker 2: to the situation once properly trained.

771
00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:47,799
Speaker 3: So like you're taught to like how to like pick

772
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:49,440
Speaker 3: up stuff off the ground and throw it.

773
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:51,680
Speaker 2: In the eyes of your attacks. Good, sign me up.

774
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:52,600
Speaker 2: Can I be honest with you?

775
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 5: Please?

776
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:53,960
Speaker 3: Honest?

777
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 2: I'm terrified that Frank Duke's is going to come after me. Yeah,

778
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 2: he still has. I feel like I'm pissing him off.

779
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 2: And if he ever hears me telling this, I just

780
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 2: want him to know that it's all in good fun

781
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:09,239
Speaker 2: and I respect his battle style and I'm guessing that Yeah,

782
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:10,359
Speaker 2: the government, did you dirty?

783
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:12,000
Speaker 3: Ah Ya? How about this? I am afraid of you.

784
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:15,680
Speaker 3: Frank Duke's Ninja to ninja. Let's go. Well, so no,

785
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 3: he don't.

786
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:21,879
Speaker 2: He paired up with Jean Claude van Dam, and they

787
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:25,399
Speaker 2: co authored the nineteen ninety six film The Quest. They

788
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:29,320
Speaker 2: also apparently wrote another script together called Enter the New Dragon.

789
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:30,200
Speaker 3: Are you kidding that?

790
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:30,520
Speaker 4: No?

791
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:32,160
Speaker 3: And I knew he knew about Enter the Dragon.

792
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 2: When The Quest came out, Dukes sued Van Dam for

793
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:38,719
Speaker 2: breach of contract. Dukes said the Quest was too similar

794
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:42,279
Speaker 2: to the manuscript to Enter the Dragon. In nineteen ninety eight,

795
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:46,600
Speaker 2: Duke's lost his lawsuit. Apparently jurors found his testimony quote

796
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:49,239
Speaker 2: less than credible. No, how can that be?

797
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:50,279
Speaker 5: Well.

798
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:53,720
Speaker 2: One thing that Duke's told him was that audio tapes

799
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:56,239
Speaker 2: of his agreement with Van dam were destroyed in the

800
00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:59,920
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety four Northridge earthquake. That's cape that feels f

801
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 2: He appealed. The appeal was dismissed in nineteen ninety nine.

802
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:06,520
Speaker 2: I do need to say that he stands by all

803
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:09,120
Speaker 2: of his statements to this day. He has a very

804
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:13,440
Speaker 2: extensive website that addresses all of the controversies. Frank Duke's

805
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:17,400
Speaker 2: Bloodsport dot com. It's d ux Bloodsport dot com. But

806
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:20,040
Speaker 2: he holds firm on all his claims. Let's take a break.

807
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:22,600
Speaker 2: When we come back, I have the final boss of

808
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:47,359
Speaker 2: military impostors, oh man, and now my last faker, the

809
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:49,680
Speaker 2: final boss, the most ridiculous.

810
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:50,400
Speaker 3: You're kidding me.

811
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:53,640
Speaker 2: Frank Duke's was ridiculous. I don't know Frank Duke's okay.

812
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:55,840
Speaker 3: Who By the way, I'll fight you any time, son, Fredrik.

813
00:40:56,880 --> 00:41:00,480
Speaker 2: No, we love you, dude. He would he would totally

814
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:02,120
Speaker 2: just my head would fly off my body.

815
00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:04,880
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, he would beat you to death with my head.

816
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 2: Yes percent, and it would be earned. I've earned it. Okay.

817
00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:16,520
Speaker 2: So this guy, Friedrich Wilhelm Voit, Yes, this is a

818
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:20,640
Speaker 2: vintage one. He was born in eighteen forty nine in Tilsit, Prussia.

819
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:25,160
Speaker 2: That's now it was Prussia. Yeah, now it's Sovetsk, Russia.

820
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:28,000
Speaker 2: His dad was a shoemaker and he followed in his

821
00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:31,400
Speaker 2: dad's footsteps. No pun intended, or at least he tried so.

822
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:35,480
Speaker 2: When he's fourteen, he did fourteen days in prison for theft,

823
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:39,960
Speaker 2: forgery and burglary. At fourteen, he also got expelled from

824
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:43,760
Speaker 2: school and his dad cut off that sweet shoemaking pipeline. Sure,

825
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:46,239
Speaker 2: it's a real shame because, like shoemaking is a true

826
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:50,719
Speaker 2: art form. He didn't write his ways he did. He

827
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:55,759
Speaker 2: did instead he forged postal orders and then he did

828
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:59,040
Speaker 2: twelve years hard labor for it. What Yeah, they were.

829
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:01,799
Speaker 3: Not fray a thing, people, We.

830
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:05,360
Speaker 2: Were not playing. So over the next three decades he

831
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:08,440
Speaker 2: spent a total of twenty five years in prison for

832
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:12,319
Speaker 2: stuff like theft, forgery, robbery. His life was terrible, and like,

833
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:14,239
Speaker 2: even though he spent most of his time in jail,

834
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:16,839
Speaker 2: when he's out he said he really wanted to just

835
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:20,319
Speaker 2: live like an honest, upright lawful life, and that just

836
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:23,080
Speaker 2: wasn't in the cards. So by the time he's fifty seven,

837
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:25,560
Speaker 2: he'd spent twenty seven of those years in the clink.

838
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:29,080
Speaker 2: He was out of prison, drifting around. He went to

839
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:32,759
Speaker 2: live with his sister in this area near Berlin. He

840
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:34,879
Speaker 2: even got a job in Berlin with like a really

841
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:38,560
Speaker 2: respected shoemaker thanks to all that early training he had,

842
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:40,040
Speaker 2: so he like hit the big time.

843
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:41,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, he still knows the skills.

844
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:43,880
Speaker 2: Yeah. But then the police got wind of him in

845
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:46,920
Speaker 2: his long record and he was expelled from Berlin in

846
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:50,759
Speaker 2: nineteen oh six for being a quote undesirable. Oh so

847
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:53,000
Speaker 2: he made it look like he picked up stakes and

848
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:56,160
Speaker 2: moved to Hamburg, but he really stuck around Berlin as

849
00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:59,560
Speaker 2: an unregistered resident. So here's this is the catch. Twenty

850
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:01,480
Speaker 2: two at the time, he couldn't get work because he

851
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:04,320
Speaker 2: had no papers, and he couldn't get papers because he

852
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:05,120
Speaker 2: had no work.

853
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:07,640
Speaker 3: So he's basically their equivalent of what we would consider

854
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 3: an illegal alien.

855
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:12,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, undocumented. He couldn't even get a passport so

856
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:15,000
Speaker 2: that he could go work abroad. So he's he's just

857
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:18,280
Speaker 2: stuck and it's not like he's he's born in Prussia,

858
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:22,480
Speaker 2: but like he's lived in what is then, you know, uh,

859
00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:28,480
Speaker 2: around Berlin his entire life, whole life there. So he stole.

860
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:30,080
Speaker 2: He did piecemeal work here.

861
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 3: In any town he tried to move to, whoever had

862
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:34,040
Speaker 3: the shoe, they would try to keep something like him out.

863
00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:36,520
Speaker 3: I mean, like he's exactly, he's got no chances to

864
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:37,560
Speaker 3: go somewhere else.

865
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:40,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, and this is all he knows. This is the

866
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:44,479
Speaker 2: only area he knows. So he stole. He did piecemeal work.

867
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:47,760
Speaker 2: Then he got an idea. So with the meager money

868
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:50,880
Speaker 2: he had, he bought pieces here and there of used

869
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:55,799
Speaker 2: Prussian guards, captain's uniforms. Ok, he got his hands on

870
00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 2: some shined army boots and a captain's had. Then he

871
00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:01,799
Speaker 2: went for a little stroll. Sure he wanted to see

872
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:03,920
Speaker 2: what happened when he acted like he was supposed to

873
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:08,000
Speaker 2: be there, everyone was respectful and courteous. Like he's a

874
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:12,240
Speaker 2: changed man. Everyone just snaps to attention. And between August

875
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:15,160
Speaker 2: and October of nineteen oh six, he wanders around Berlin

876
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:18,480
Speaker 2: in this military costume and he'd like bark orders at

877
00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:22,520
Speaker 2: any soldiers that he encountered, and they'd obey immediately. So

878
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:25,839
Speaker 2: on October sixteenth, nineteen oh six, he's fifty seven years old,

879
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:29,400
Speaker 2: what's on the phony uniform? Takes a train to Tegel,

880
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:32,200
Speaker 2: a small town about an hour and a half away

881
00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:36,480
Speaker 2: from Berlin. Probably not saying it right, apologies. Then he

882
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:40,359
Speaker 2: went to the local army barracks and a platoon passed him,

883
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 2: and everyone gave him a sharp salute, and he raised

884
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:46,719
Speaker 2: his sword and he ordered them to halt. The corporal

885
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:50,239
Speaker 2: in charge stepped forward and Voight gave his order to

886
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:55,040
Speaker 2: the railway station. So then he tells the corporal they're

887
00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:59,880
Speaker 2: acting under direct orders of the Emperor Old Wilhelm. The Shepherd, captain,

888
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:03,680
Speaker 2: the corporal, and seven guardsmen. They head off to the

889
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:08,239
Speaker 2: Berlin Circuit railway station and then there four guys from

890
00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:11,400
Speaker 2: the fourth foot Guards regimen are already there, so he

891
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:15,080
Speaker 2: orders them to join the groupe. Yeah, a train was

892
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:17,760
Speaker 2: just leaving when they get there, but that wasn't a problem.

893
00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:21,640
Speaker 2: He orders it to stop, and they commandeered the first

894
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:25,760
Speaker 2: class carriage just for him a man, and he stuck

895
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:28,759
Speaker 2: all of his impromptu troop in another car and they

896
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:34,759
Speaker 2: get to Copenick. That's the destination. He takes his makeshift

897
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:38,560
Speaker 2: unit right down to the town hall and he tells

898
00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:41,880
Speaker 2: them that he was there to execute some official matters

899
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:45,359
Speaker 2: of importance, like he's just yelling at everybody. So they

900
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:49,360
Speaker 2: get there and he posts a sentry at each entrance

901
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:53,080
Speaker 2: and he tells them orders to shoot if needed. So

902
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:55,839
Speaker 2: like this is serious business and it's kind of open

903
00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:59,200
Speaker 2: for interpretation, right anyway, So Voight and his men they

904
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:03,280
Speaker 2: marched into the office of doctor langer Hans, the mayor

905
00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:06,840
Speaker 2: of town. Oh, and so Voight whipped out his sword

906
00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:10,560
Speaker 2: and announced, you are my prisoner by the Kaiser's orders,

907
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:14,600
Speaker 2: and you will be immediately taken immediately to Berlin. What

908
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:18,600
Speaker 2: Longer Hans was like, I beg, and voy yells you

909
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:19,640
Speaker 2: add nothing to beg.

910
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:23,280
Speaker 3: I have already told you that you are my prisoner.

911
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:27,320
Speaker 2: Kaiservillehn Yeah, so Longer Hans. He's dragged to a carriage

912
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:29,760
Speaker 2: by armed guards and then driven to Berlin.

913
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:31,480
Speaker 3: What did this guy do?

914
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:38,120
Speaker 2: Voight tells the Copenick police. Careful law and order prevent

915
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:42,560
Speaker 2: calls to Berlin for one hour at the local post office. Sure,

916
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:47,840
Speaker 2: so they're all just frozen, of course. Zarin, close your eyes. Oh,

917
00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:52,160
Speaker 2: I want you to picture it. It's October sixteenth, nineteen

918
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:56,960
Speaker 2: oh six. You are the Copenick town treasurer Air von Wildberg.

919
00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:01,160
Speaker 2: You're sitting at your desk, quiet lead tapping away at

920
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:05,040
Speaker 2: an adding machine, when you hear a commotion feet marching

921
00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:08,720
Speaker 2: down a hallway. The door flies open, and a mustachioed

922
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:12,080
Speaker 2: older gentleman in a Prussian Guards captain uniform bursts into

923
00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:15,279
Speaker 2: the room. He stares you down and then shouts for

924
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:18,960
Speaker 2: you to hand over the town's cash book. Confused, you

925
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:21,680
Speaker 2: turn your squeaky wooden office chair and open the safe

926
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:24,920
Speaker 2: that steps behind your desk. Your hands are shaking. You

927
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:28,400
Speaker 2: gingerly lift a metal cash box from the safe, face

928
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:30,839
Speaker 2: the captain once again, and set the box on your desk.

929
00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:35,440
Speaker 2: In it are four thousand and two marks. The captain

930
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:37,560
Speaker 2: orders you to put the cash in a bag and

931
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:40,320
Speaker 2: place an official seal on it. You do it is ordered.

932
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:43,680
Speaker 2: He then asks for the receipt book. You slide it

933
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:47,080
Speaker 2: towards him on the desk. He quickly scrawls the signature

934
00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:49,959
Speaker 2: in it, acknowledging the more than four grand he just took.

935
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:52,479
Speaker 2: What you don't know is that the name he wrote

936
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:55,600
Speaker 2: was that of his former prison warden He stares at

937
00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:58,000
Speaker 2: you again and then orders his men to arrest you.

938
00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:03,000
Speaker 2: He says, you are a charged with illegal bookkeeping, political

939
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:07,560
Speaker 2: corruption and irregularities committed in connection with the public sewage works.

940
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:12,440
Speaker 2: You don't resist. There are rifles and bayonets in your face.

941
00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:16,239
Speaker 2: You know you're innocent and an investigation will clear you

942
00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:19,759
Speaker 2: of any wrongdoing. You have faith in the system. You're

943
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:23,000
Speaker 2: shuffled out to a commandeered carriage. The captain orders some

944
00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:26,279
Speaker 2: grenadiers to take you to Berlin for interrogation. Then he

945
00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:28,399
Speaker 2: tells the rest of his men to stand right where

946
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:31,279
Speaker 2: they are for the next thirty minutes. Off you go,

947
00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:35,839
Speaker 2: terrified and hopeful that all will be well. So Void

948
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:37,840
Speaker 2: grabs the money in the city coffers, and then he

949
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:41,520
Speaker 2: orders all the officials away. What's he going to do now? Well,

950
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:44,520
Speaker 2: he goes back to the train station. He's alone, remember,

951
00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:46,200
Speaker 2: he tells him to stand there for half an hour.

952
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:49,839
Speaker 2: At the station, he went into the bathroom, changed back

953
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:52,960
Speaker 2: into his street clothes. He left his sword next to

954
00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:55,680
Speaker 2: the toilet, and he shoved his uniform in a cardboard

955
00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:59,120
Speaker 2: box against the wall on the platform. Then he disappears.

956
00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:02,560
Speaker 2: Four thousand marks hand. He did stop to send a

957
00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:06,280
Speaker 2: telegram to Berlin that said town hall occupied by troops,

958
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:11,120
Speaker 2: implore you to give reasons to quiet citizens. So this

959
00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:13,320
Speaker 2: is about the time the soldiers showed up in Berlin

960
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:14,919
Speaker 2: at the police station with the mayor.

961
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:17,919
Speaker 3: He has managed so many things in this reactions and.

962
00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:22,440
Speaker 2: Responses completely and it took a while, but like eventually

963
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:24,080
Speaker 2: everyone figures out they've been had.

964
00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:25,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, the chess game's over.

965
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:25,640
Speaker 5: Yeah.

966
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:28,279
Speaker 2: Word gets back to German army officials and they kick

967
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:31,840
Speaker 2: off this search to capture him, and pretty soon word

968
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:34,960
Speaker 2: of fake mission spreads all over Germany and then all

969
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:37,520
Speaker 2: over Europe and then all over the world. Oh wow,

970
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:41,360
Speaker 2: early virality, it's a great storytally, He's got this like

971
00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:45,600
Speaker 2: lowly shoemaker, petty criminal that out the Germans and their

972
00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:48,560
Speaker 2: Prussian discipline in their own way. Yeah. So the papers

973
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:52,319
Speaker 2: said that Kaiser Wilhelm the second laughed out loud when

974
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:55,759
Speaker 2: he heard a story, and he called him an amiable scoundrel.

975
00:49:56,960 --> 00:50:01,200
Speaker 2: The thing he that's right. Well, he saw the whole

976
00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:04,760
Speaker 2: thing as a testament to how much obedience and respect

977
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:08,239
Speaker 2: the military had among the people. Oh good, And a

978
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:12,160
Speaker 2: newspaper in Berlin stated, quote, it is undoubtedly a fact

979
00:50:12,239 --> 00:50:16,400
Speaker 2: in Prussia that the uniformed triumphs not because he is better,

980
00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:19,520
Speaker 2: or cleverer or more prudent than his neighbors, but because

981
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:20,440
Speaker 2: he is in uniform.

982
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:22,120
Speaker 3: Yes, of Germany.

983
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:25,480
Speaker 2: Yeah so the British press Russia saw it his confirmation

984
00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:30,640
Speaker 2: of their stereotypes about Germans. The Illustrated London News reported, quote,

985
00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:33,600
Speaker 2: for years, the Kaiser has been instilling into his people

986
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:37,840
Speaker 2: reverence for the omnipotence of militarism, of which the holiest

987
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:42,520
Speaker 2: symbol is the German uniform. Offenses against this fetish have

988
00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:46,920
Speaker 2: incurred punishment. Officers who have not considered themselves saluted in

989
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:51,160
Speaker 2: due form have drawn their swords with impunity. On offending privates.

990
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:54,000
Speaker 3: Now drawing their swords, did they then use their swords?

991
00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:54,719
Speaker 2: You just threaten them?

992
00:50:54,719 --> 00:50:56,239
Speaker 3: Who knows the kind of like spank them?

993
00:50:57,200 --> 00:51:02,200
Speaker 2: What's what? English author GK. Chester I love him, yes. Quote.

994
00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:05,640
Speaker 2: The most absurd part of this fraud, at least to

995
00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:10,080
Speaker 2: English eyes, is one which oddly enough, has received comparatively

996
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:13,120
Speaker 2: little comment. I mean the point at which the mayor

997
00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:15,920
Speaker 2: asked for a warrant, and the captain pointed to the

998
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:19,120
Speaker 2: bayonets of his soldiery and said, these are my authority.

999
00:51:19,640 --> 00:51:21,719
Speaker 2: One would have thought anyone would have known that no

1000
00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:26,320
Speaker 2: soldier would talk like that exactly, So a reward was offered.

1001
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:31,560
Speaker 2: One of Voight's former cellmates ratted him out. He identifies

1002
00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:33,400
Speaker 2: him and then said, you know what, he bragged to

1003
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:37,239
Speaker 2: me about this whole thing. So ten days later Voight

1004
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:40,200
Speaker 2: gets arrested, like mid breakfast at the place where he's staying.

1005
00:51:41,160 --> 00:51:43,720
Speaker 2: He was not viewed unkindly.

1006
00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:44,960
Speaker 3: Like a big wallrus mustache.

1007
00:51:45,239 --> 00:51:49,600
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, those exactly, So he wasn't viewed unkindly by

1008
00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:52,880
Speaker 2: the cops or even treated that way. In fact, the

1009
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:55,560
Speaker 2: main inspector gave him a bottle of port and he

1010
00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:58,759
Speaker 2: showed up. Yeah, Voight turned over what little remained of

1011
00:51:58,800 --> 00:51:59,160
Speaker 2: the money.

1012
00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:02,800
Speaker 3: He stold they were taking the side of Kaiser Wilhelm,

1013
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:05,080
Speaker 3: that this guy's like he's German.

1014
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:09,319
Speaker 2: Really, they just think this guy's Yeah, he told the

1015
00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:12,680
Speaker 2: police commissioner, why if I'd run across you at Copenick

1016
00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:15,080
Speaker 2: town Hall, I'd have handled you in the same way.

1017
00:52:15,640 --> 00:52:18,840
Speaker 2: Like he's just jokes about everything. The main paper in

1018
00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:21,839
Speaker 2: Berlin ran a special edition about his capture and then

1019
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:24,320
Speaker 2: gave it away for free to the public.

1020
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:26,320
Speaker 3: Extra extra read all about it. For free.

1021
00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:28,640
Speaker 2: That's how big this story was. He was a folk hero.

1022
00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:31,840
Speaker 2: People thought that he should be allowed his freedom, that

1023
00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:33,759
Speaker 2: he was just like too smart to lock up.

1024
00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:35,400
Speaker 3: German pork heroes are funny.

1025
00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:38,120
Speaker 2: So he goes to trial. It is the event.

1026
00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:40,200
Speaker 3: He was ordering everyone around him. We were all listening

1027
00:52:40,239 --> 00:52:41,360
Speaker 3: to him. He's the greatest.

1028
00:52:43,120 --> 00:52:45,880
Speaker 2: They charged for tickets to get into the courtroom, like

1029
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:47,800
Speaker 2: there was a ticket. You had to buy a ticket,

1030
00:52:48,120 --> 00:52:50,160
Speaker 2: and it was like a who's who in the gallery.

1031
00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:54,319
Speaker 2: You had like high ranking military officers, socialites, like all

1032
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:55,960
Speaker 2: the creative intelligentsia.

1033
00:52:56,160 --> 00:52:56,359
Speaker 5: Ooh.

1034
00:52:57,640 --> 00:53:00,440
Speaker 2: So Voight takes the stand. He regales the court with

1035
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:02,920
Speaker 2: his life story and he wrapped it up by telling

1036
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:05,680
Speaker 2: the judge that he was quote a very honest thief

1037
00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:10,960
Speaker 2: because I only appropriated official funds. So, despite charming the

1038
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:15,040
Speaker 2: spectators with his humor, he's found guilty of quote serious

1039
00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:18,200
Speaker 2: interference with the authority of the state and grave forgery

1040
00:53:18,239 --> 00:53:21,400
Speaker 2: of official documents. He got four years in prison. He

1041
00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:26,120
Speaker 2: only served two years after he won amnesty from Wilhelm.

1042
00:53:26,080 --> 00:53:28,040
Speaker 3: Wow the Kaiser acted on well.

1043
00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:33,120
Speaker 2: No King Edward the seventh of England pleaded for Voight

1044
00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:37,279
Speaker 2: to be freed, and that pressure yeah, led to the

1045
00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:37,920
Speaker 2: amy the.

1046
00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:40,280
Speaker 3: One who ducks out of the king. He's like, before

1047
00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:42,399
Speaker 3: I go, do you look out for quickly?

1048
00:53:43,560 --> 00:53:46,680
Speaker 2: Quickly? So the government formed a committee in charge of

1049
00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:50,239
Speaker 2: making sure that Voight was taken care of in his

1050
00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:53,480
Speaker 2: twilight years. Not to be like, how did this happen?

1051
00:53:54,320 --> 00:53:56,480
Speaker 2: Ladies from all over the globe, like more than one

1052
00:53:56,560 --> 00:53:59,000
Speaker 2: hundred and thirty of them offered their hands in marriage.

1053
00:53:59,040 --> 00:53:59,799
Speaker 3: I'm doing this wrong.

1054
00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:04,600
Speaker 2: You totally are He supporters raised two thousand British pounds

1055
00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:07,240
Speaker 2: for him. What, yeah, was it a different time?

1056
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:08,919
Speaker 3: Is what am I missing? Here?

1057
00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:12,400
Speaker 2: Four days after he gets out the like brilliant, the

1058
00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:16,160
Speaker 2: Wax Museum puts up a wax sculpture like Madame Tussau's Yeah,

1059
00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:18,920
Speaker 2: but in like the German one, puts up a wax

1060
00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:22,560
Speaker 2: sculpture of him wearing a captain's uniform. And then at

1061
00:54:22,560 --> 00:54:26,200
Speaker 2: the scene of his crime, another statue went up, this

1062
00:54:26,239 --> 00:54:28,560
Speaker 2: one declaring him the captain of Copenick.

1063
00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:29,640
Speaker 3: Oh my god.

1064
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:33,000
Speaker 2: He he goes down, they unveil a statue. He goes

1065
00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:36,080
Speaker 2: down there to sign autographs and pose for photos, and

1066
00:54:36,120 --> 00:54:38,239
Speaker 2: then the cops come and they break the zoo up,

1067
00:54:38,520 --> 00:54:41,479
Speaker 2: and then the government banned his special appearances there.

1068
00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:44,759
Speaker 3: Oh wait a minute, only we can like dance on this.

1069
00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:45,680
Speaker 3: You can't dance on it.

1070
00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:48,279
Speaker 2: We don't profit from this. So in nineteen oh nine

1071
00:54:48,320 --> 00:54:50,120
Speaker 2: he published his memoirs.

1072
00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:51,279
Speaker 3: Of course, how I get the book up there?

1073
00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:54,719
Speaker 2: How I became Captain of Copenick. It went through a

1074
00:54:54,760 --> 00:54:58,399
Speaker 2: ton of reprints, the most recently in twenty sixteen. What yeah,

1075
00:54:58,480 --> 00:55:01,359
Speaker 2: people are still reading about this. He traveled all over

1076
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:05,040
Speaker 2: the country selling postcards with his pictures on them. He

1077
00:55:05,080 --> 00:55:06,799
Speaker 2: took his act on the road, and he made his

1078
00:55:06,920 --> 00:55:10,360
Speaker 2: name for himself as Captain of Copenik by playing himself

1079
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:13,359
Speaker 2: in like variety shows in Canada in the US.

1080
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:14,880
Speaker 3: Okay, sure, like acting out the scene.

1081
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:18,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, this tour almost didn't happen because US authorities wouldn't

1082
00:55:18,680 --> 00:55:19,919
Speaker 2: grant him a visa.

1083
00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:20,319
Speaker 3: Because of the war.

1084
00:55:20,520 --> 00:55:23,520
Speaker 2: Well, you know, he had all this bureaucratic red tape

1085
00:55:23,520 --> 00:55:25,600
Speaker 2: because don't forget, he didn't have any papers.

1086
00:55:25,840 --> 00:55:27,239
Speaker 3: Oh right, he's undocumented.

1087
00:55:27,360 --> 00:55:30,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, And so he's living in Luxembourg at the time,

1088
00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:32,839
Speaker 2: and he's working as a shoemaker and a waiter while

1089
00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:36,520
Speaker 2: he waits to get over to North America. He did.

1090
00:55:36,600 --> 00:55:40,080
Speaker 2: He got into Canada in nineteen ten, and then he

1091
00:55:40,160 --> 00:55:42,440
Speaker 2: was in a few shows put on by Ringling Brothers,

1092
00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:45,040
Speaker 2: Barnum and Bailey until nineteen eighteen. So that's how he

1093
00:55:45,080 --> 00:55:49,760
Speaker 2: gets in okay. His escapades were commemorated in a nineteen

1094
00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:53,920
Speaker 2: thirty Karl Zuckmeyer play, as well as four movies produced

1095
00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:57,040
Speaker 2: between nineteen oh six and nineteen fifty six, three TV

1096
00:55:57,120 --> 00:56:00,600
Speaker 2: shows between nineteen sixty in two thousand and one. In

1097
00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:02,920
Speaker 2: two thousand and six, he got his own postage stamp

1098
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Speaker 2: in Germany.

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Speaker 3: He's a legend.

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Speaker 2: Let me tell you about the play. As the Nazis

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00:56:07,200 --> 00:56:11,160
Speaker 2: took power, Zuckmeyer saw parallels with the Voight affair when

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00:56:11,160 --> 00:56:15,279
Speaker 2: it came to like blind obedience and fanaticism, and so

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00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:18,719
Speaker 2: he first produced the story as a comic strip, highlighting

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00:56:18,760 --> 00:56:21,160
Speaker 2: like all it takes to make someone what they are

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00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:24,960
Speaker 2: is their costume, sure, and like Hitler, rising star of fascism,

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00:56:25,080 --> 00:56:29,200
Speaker 2: hates it. And then Zuckmeyer then produced the story as

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00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:32,040
Speaker 2: a play and it was like super successful for two years,

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00:56:32,040 --> 00:56:34,080
Speaker 2: and then Hitler came into full power and shut the

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Speaker 2: whole thing down. What resonated with people then and now

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00:56:38,600 --> 00:56:40,719
Speaker 2: is the catch twenty two of the whole thing. So

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00:56:40,760 --> 00:56:43,840
Speaker 2: he can't. He just can't earn an honest living, doesn't

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00:56:43,840 --> 00:56:46,840
Speaker 2: have a fixed address, can't get a job, doesn't have

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Speaker 2: a job, can't get a fixed address, can't get a passport.

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Speaker 3: And takes on the full powers of the state.

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00:56:52,160 --> 00:56:56,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, and like he couldn't he could didn't have a passport,

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00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:57,520
Speaker 2: so they couldn't even like ship him back to the

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00:56:57,600 --> 00:56:59,719
Speaker 2: Russian town where he was born and knew nothing of

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00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:01,800
Speaker 2: Like we see a lot of parallels today.

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Speaker 3: He's like the people now he don't have passports, they

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Speaker 3: have to live in an airport.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly so, a London paper wrote, quote, he never

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00:57:09,080 --> 00:57:12,160
Speaker 2: could cope with bureaucracy gone mad. A society where a

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Speaker 2: man couldn't get a job without a work permit, and

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00:57:14,440 --> 00:57:17,320
Speaker 2: couldn't get a work permit without a job. Voight couldn't

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Speaker 2: stay where he was without an identity card, and he

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00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:23,160
Speaker 2: couldn't travel without a passport. At fifty six, worn to

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00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:27,000
Speaker 2: a frazzled cipher from backing this system, muddled by thirty

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Speaker 2: years in jail for not conforming Wilhelm, Voight finally rebelled.

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Speaker 2: He played a little trick.

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Speaker 3: I have nothing wrong with what he did personally, maybe

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00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:37,960
Speaker 3: got what four thousand Deutsche marks or whatever.

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00:57:38,040 --> 00:57:42,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's shit. So June nineteen twelve, news gets out

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00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:45,080
Speaker 2: that he had passed away in the London hospital, and

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00:57:45,120 --> 00:57:49,760
Speaker 2: like News nineteen twelve, newspapers all across Germany just are

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00:57:49,880 --> 00:57:53,600
Speaker 2: lauding him with warm and lengthy obituaries. But it turned

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00:57:53,640 --> 00:57:56,160
Speaker 2: out it was all a mistake. He was alive and

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00:57:56,200 --> 00:57:58,840
Speaker 2: he was living in Germany. He did like the obits though, like,

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00:57:58,840 --> 00:58:00,360
Speaker 2: given the warm fuzzies.

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00:58:01,040 --> 00:58:02,640
Speaker 3: He lived, it's got to be nice to see how

1140
00:58:02,640 --> 00:58:04,720
Speaker 3: people are going to talk about you in your day. Yeah, totally,

1141
00:58:04,760 --> 00:58:07,080
Speaker 3: Like I'm so tempted to fake my death just to

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Speaker 3: have that.

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00:58:07,880 --> 00:58:10,240
Speaker 2: I see like there's nothing printed. I'm like, oh, well,

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00:58:10,600 --> 00:58:13,960
Speaker 2: even that would be fun. That would be funny. He lived,

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00:58:14,280 --> 00:58:17,280
Speaker 2: He had like a life pension that this rich Berlin

1146
00:58:17,400 --> 00:58:18,600
Speaker 2: Dowager gave him.

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00:58:18,760 --> 00:58:19,040
Speaker 5: Wow.

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00:58:19,200 --> 00:58:21,560
Speaker 2: And then he also had an open invitation to eat

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00:58:21,600 --> 00:58:23,680
Speaker 2: for free at this local restaurant whenever he wanted.

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00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:25,800
Speaker 3: Well, that sounds right, like, oh you get free sandwiches,

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00:58:25,840 --> 00:58:27,240
Speaker 3: but the Dowager, that's impressive.

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Speaker 2: And even so, though he lived in abject poverty in

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Speaker 2: his later years because he lost everything in the post

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00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:37,040
Speaker 2: World War One recession. On January third, nineteen twenty two.

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Speaker 2: He died from the flu in Luxembourg. He was seventy

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Speaker 2: three years.

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00:58:40,080 --> 00:58:41,880
Speaker 3: Old, the aka the Spanish flu.

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00:58:42,080 --> 00:58:45,320
Speaker 2: I'd probably twenty two. The government paid for his funeral,

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00:58:45,320 --> 00:58:52,320
Speaker 2: but they wouldn't pay for tombstone. Circus Saracini sometimes yeah,

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00:58:52,320 --> 00:58:57,120
Speaker 2: and employer of his they paid for one. His lady love, Madam.

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00:58:57,040 --> 00:58:58,280
Speaker 3: Coconhat is she the dowager?

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00:58:58,520 --> 00:59:01,400
Speaker 2: No, she bought a burial plot with a fixed term

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00:59:01,480 --> 00:59:04,920
Speaker 2: concession in Notre Dame Cemetery in the city of Luxembourg.

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00:59:05,800 --> 00:59:07,440
Speaker 2: Meaning there's like a lease with an end date.

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00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:09,040
Speaker 3: Yea, as I'm saying, did they dig them up and

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00:59:09,080 --> 00:59:09,439
Speaker 3: move them?

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00:59:09,480 --> 00:59:12,520
Speaker 2: Well, she has this metal plaque put up that red

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00:59:12,520 --> 00:59:15,160
Speaker 2: and German. Blessed are the people who are homesick, because

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00:59:15,200 --> 00:59:18,960
Speaker 2: they should come home. And so, while passing through Luxembourg

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00:59:19,080 --> 00:59:22,920
Speaker 2: City in nineteen sixty one, the circus extended the concession

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00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:25,840
Speaker 2: for another fifteen years. But then when that fifteen years

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00:59:25,920 --> 00:59:28,720
Speaker 2: was up, the monument was supposed to be demolished. The

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00:59:28,760 --> 00:59:31,760
Speaker 2: director of the National Tourist Office got the German press

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00:59:31,760 --> 00:59:34,480
Speaker 2: all riled up, and they demanded that the lease be

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00:59:34,520 --> 00:59:37,640
Speaker 2: extended and everything remain in place. And like members of

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00:59:37,680 --> 00:59:42,800
Speaker 2: European Parliament spoke out in favor of unlimited prolongation of

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00:59:42,840 --> 00:59:44,640
Speaker 2: the maintenance of the burial place.

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00:59:45,160 --> 00:59:48,080
Speaker 3: That's great, great, who's going to pay? Going to write

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00:59:48,080 --> 00:59:48,439
Speaker 3: the check?

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00:59:48,720 --> 00:59:52,320
Speaker 2: While this is going on, his tombstone is falling apart,

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00:59:52,440 --> 00:59:55,800
Speaker 2: like it's literally crumbling. So the city of Luxembourg they

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00:59:56,000 --> 00:59:59,800
Speaker 2: organized a competition to design a new monument. They got

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00:59:59,800 --> 01:00:02,320
Speaker 2: one that was like a Prussian helmet in this like

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01:00:02,600 --> 01:00:06,440
Speaker 2: inscription I hope, yeah, So they moved it. His remains

1185
01:00:06,440 --> 01:00:08,960
Speaker 2: were moved to a new location in the cemetery, and

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01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:12,600
Speaker 2: as the funeral procession made its way to like reinter him,

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01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:15,840
Speaker 2: they passed by some French soldiers and a member of

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01:00:15,880 --> 01:00:20,040
Speaker 2: the funeral cortege told the commanding officer that the world

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01:00:20,080 --> 01:00:25,120
Speaker 2: famous Captain of Copenick was passing by. The Frenchman they

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01:00:25,320 --> 01:00:28,720
Speaker 2: they thought that the VIP from the Luxembourg Army was

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01:00:28,800 --> 01:00:31,920
Speaker 2: passing by. Like they didn't understand, and the leader of

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01:00:31,920 --> 01:00:34,440
Speaker 2: the platoon ordered his men to halt and fire off

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01:00:34,480 --> 01:00:35,400
Speaker 2: a salute.

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01:00:35,000 --> 01:00:36,720
Speaker 3: And the captains on it.

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01:00:36,720 --> 01:00:39,520
Speaker 2: It's like a last gesture of respect for a brother officer,

1196
01:00:39,600 --> 01:00:43,280
Speaker 2: like so he pulls off the stolen valor one last time, Zaren,

1197
01:00:43,320 --> 01:00:44,600
Speaker 2: what's your ridiculous takeaway?

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01:00:45,160 --> 01:00:52,240
Speaker 3: Oh man? Uh, Like, the undocumented in a time where

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01:00:52,240 --> 01:00:54,520
Speaker 3: you can't really prove your identity because you don't have

1200
01:00:54,600 --> 01:00:57,959
Speaker 3: like a DNA and fingerprints like a known technology must

1201
01:00:57,960 --> 01:01:00,280
Speaker 3: have been a nightmare. But at the same time, I'm

1202
01:01:00,360 --> 01:01:02,480
Speaker 3: for a criminal kind of a dream because you can

1203
01:01:02,480 --> 01:01:04,760
Speaker 3: always say, on this other person, if you could forge

1204
01:01:04,800 --> 01:01:07,640
Speaker 3: your paperwork, great, But for someone like Camboo's unwilling to

1205
01:01:07,720 --> 01:01:11,480
Speaker 3: do that lifestyle instead, I just can't imagine. Well, I mean,

1206
01:01:11,640 --> 01:01:12,360
Speaker 3: tell these stories.

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01:01:12,920 --> 01:01:16,440
Speaker 2: Think about kids who were born in Mexico and they

1208
01:01:16,480 --> 01:01:18,960
Speaker 2: come here as an infant, sure, and they've never been

1209
01:01:19,000 --> 01:01:22,439
Speaker 2: to Mexico. Sure, and they are not citizens. They're under

1210
01:01:22,760 --> 01:01:26,080
Speaker 2: basically the situation you can't go anywhere, you can't get

1211
01:01:26,080 --> 01:01:28,600
Speaker 2: a job and leave the country. Yeah, So it's like

1212
01:01:28,680 --> 01:01:30,440
Speaker 2: there's no solution for them. I mean, there is a

1213
01:01:30,480 --> 01:01:32,439
Speaker 2: solution for it, but it's like to be in that

1214
01:01:32,560 --> 01:01:36,680
Speaker 2: position is such a it's so difficult, Like Catch twenty two.

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01:01:36,840 --> 01:01:38,920
Speaker 3: I'm so over it. I'm so ready for like United

1216
01:01:38,960 --> 01:01:40,960
Speaker 3: States of the World, not like the US runs the world.

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01:01:41,000 --> 01:01:42,560
Speaker 3: I don't mean that, but I mean like every world,

1218
01:01:42,840 --> 01:01:44,960
Speaker 3: Like oh no, not even well whatever new World over yet,

1219
01:01:44,960 --> 01:01:47,640
Speaker 3: but all the countries right or just federated states, and

1220
01:01:47,680 --> 01:01:49,760
Speaker 3: we have like a global governance at least at the

1221
01:01:49,840 --> 01:01:54,400
Speaker 3: level of like travel, documentation, taxes, pollutions, certain things that

1222
01:01:54,440 --> 01:01:56,720
Speaker 3: affect everybody on a global scale, Like can we always

1223
01:01:56,800 --> 01:01:58,280
Speaker 3: get this not the un I don't want like, oh,

1224
01:01:58,280 --> 01:01:59,760
Speaker 3: we're gonna have these people standard and make sure these

1225
01:01:59,800 --> 01:02:01,600
Speaker 3: people get fatter, don't choot each other. I don't mean that.

1226
01:02:01,640 --> 01:02:04,640
Speaker 3: I mean, like, do the global stuff and boom. I

1227
01:02:04,880 --> 01:02:06,800
Speaker 3: think it's ridiculous that we still don't have that. So

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01:02:06,840 --> 01:02:07,160
Speaker 3: there you go.

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01:02:07,920 --> 01:02:08,360
Speaker 5: Second away.

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01:02:08,400 --> 01:02:11,640
Speaker 3: I found it backwards, Elizabeth, I've already covered it.

1231
01:02:12,600 --> 01:02:13,720
Speaker 2: I do need to talk back.

1232
01:02:13,800 --> 01:02:18,040
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, let's hit that up.

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01:02:17,080 --> 01:02:24,200
Speaker 5: Oh my god, did you see that? I love.

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01:02:28,440 --> 01:02:29,400
Speaker 4: Ridiculous crime.

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01:02:30,120 --> 01:02:33,959
Speaker 7: Just listen to the episode about the college art thief

1236
01:02:34,600 --> 01:02:40,120
Speaker 7: started out selling IDs finally stold the autubon books. You

1237
01:02:40,240 --> 01:02:43,120
Speaker 7: said a name Harry Balls, and he it should be

1238
01:02:43,120 --> 01:02:44,960
Speaker 7: pronounced Harry Falls and I.

1239
01:02:46,560 --> 01:02:49,000
Speaker 4: Anyway, love you guys. This is Gravy the truck driver.

1240
01:02:49,120 --> 01:02:54,120
Speaker 3: You could call me a nice.

1241
01:02:54,040 --> 01:02:55,680
Speaker 4: That's Gravy the truck driver.

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01:02:56,480 --> 01:02:56,800
Speaker 5: Peace.

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01:02:58,640 --> 01:03:01,080
Speaker 4: Hey, you guys, this is a grave the truck driver. Again.

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01:03:01,120 --> 01:03:01,960
Speaker 4: I've got to tell you.

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01:03:02,080 --> 01:03:05,320
Speaker 7: Yeah, you can use my name and voice on the

1246
01:03:05,920 --> 01:03:07,919
Speaker 7: email or whatever, just not my phone number.

1247
01:03:09,480 --> 01:03:14,320
Speaker 3: Antime in you gotta deal crazy with the truck driver.

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01:03:16,000 --> 01:03:16,880
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness.

1249
01:03:17,000 --> 01:03:19,120
Speaker 3: Shout out to the truck drivers. You bought it, a

1250
01:03:19,200 --> 01:03:21,000
Speaker 3: truck brought it.

1251
01:03:21,160 --> 01:03:24,240
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness. That's all for today. You can find

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Speaker 2: us online at ridiculous crime dot com. We're a Ridiculous

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01:03:27,280 --> 01:03:30,440
Speaker 2: Crime on Twitter and Instagram. There's an email and then

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