1 00:00:01,920 --> 00:00:05,400 Speaker 1: Wind Down with Janet Kramer and I'm Heeart Radio podcast. 2 00:00:07,440 --> 00:00:10,800 Speaker 2: I've never been more excited to interview someone today. His 3 00:00:10,880 --> 00:00:13,960 Speaker 2: name is doctor Amen and I've been following him on Instagram, 4 00:00:14,160 --> 00:00:20,840 Speaker 2: stalking him and just liking commenting. He is incredible and 5 00:00:21,120 --> 00:00:23,439 Speaker 2: he has a new book called a new book out 6 00:00:23,480 --> 00:00:26,159 Speaker 2: called Change Your Brain every Day, and we're going to 7 00:00:26,160 --> 00:00:28,960 Speaker 2: talk about all things brain today. But he has helped 8 00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:31,560 Speaker 2: millions of people change their brains and lives. He's a 9 00:00:31,560 --> 00:00:35,040 Speaker 2: founder of Aiming Clinics where you can scan your brain, 10 00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:38,040 Speaker 2: so we'll talk more about that. He's a psychiatrist and 11 00:00:38,080 --> 00:00:41,519 Speaker 2: a clinical neuroscientist, So let's get him on doctor Amen. 12 00:00:42,159 --> 00:00:44,400 Speaker 3: Hey, how are you. 13 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:47,720 Speaker 2: It's so good to meet you, like in person, because 14 00:00:47,720 --> 00:00:49,760 Speaker 2: we've been emailing. I think that's been you. Has it 15 00:00:49,840 --> 00:00:54,480 Speaker 2: been you or is it your people? I'm so bummed 16 00:00:54,640 --> 00:00:58,480 Speaker 2: that we can't do the scan your brain thing this month. 17 00:00:58,560 --> 00:01:02,440 Speaker 2: But yeah, the movie kind of a little wrench into plans. 18 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:06,160 Speaker 2: But also I couldn't tell y'all at the time because 19 00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:08,440 Speaker 2: it was still too early. But I'm actually pregnant, so 20 00:01:08,480 --> 00:01:09,960 Speaker 2: I didn't know if you can also scan a brain 21 00:01:09,959 --> 00:01:10,680 Speaker 2: when you're pregnant. 22 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:16,720 Speaker 3: Well, congratulation, thank you, And we can do a different study. 23 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:21,240 Speaker 3: We can't do the spec study because of the radiation, 24 00:01:21,880 --> 00:01:26,160 Speaker 3: but we do another study called quantitative EEG that looks 25 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:31,720 Speaker 3: at electrical activity. Okay, and there's no harm to the baby. 26 00:01:31,880 --> 00:01:32,240 Speaker 1: Okay. 27 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:36,880 Speaker 2: I'm so fascinated by just everything in the brain because 28 00:01:37,040 --> 00:01:40,720 Speaker 2: to me, when you when you break things down, like 29 00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:44,160 Speaker 2: science does not lie, right, I mean, would you agree 30 00:01:44,160 --> 00:01:46,920 Speaker 2: with that, like DNA that's not me. 31 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:50,920 Speaker 3: Well, I mean something's right, but scientists lie a lot. 32 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 2: Well okay, so yes, But like the when you really 33 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:56,080 Speaker 2: break it down though, like if you were to do 34 00:01:57,000 --> 00:01:59,560 Speaker 2: you know, logic, so like the logic of things like 35 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:02,120 Speaker 2: I'm like, it's logical some of the things that Like 36 00:02:02,640 --> 00:02:05,200 Speaker 2: when I hear your things, I'm like, well, yes, like absolutely, 37 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:08,160 Speaker 2: like alcohol probably isn't great for your brain. 38 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:09,520 Speaker 4: It's definitely not. 39 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:10,600 Speaker 1: Okay. 40 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:12,920 Speaker 2: Can I just ask one question though, Like I you know, 41 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:15,480 Speaker 2: used to have the occasional not occasional, I would have 42 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:17,480 Speaker 2: like the glass of wine a day, right because that 43 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:21,600 Speaker 2: would be my chill mommy moment. But now I've heard 44 00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:23,359 Speaker 2: you know, I've been watching your stuff, and I'm like, man, 45 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:25,440 Speaker 2: I could really see how you know the impact on that. 46 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:29,120 Speaker 2: And then my fiance he's a football soccer coach, and 47 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:31,840 Speaker 2: so you know he's he did save all the studies 48 00:02:31,880 --> 00:02:35,880 Speaker 2: about how alcohol affects, you know, just everything. And so 49 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 2: what is your recommendation? Is it like you go dry 50 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:40,880 Speaker 2: and you don't drink it all or can you have 51 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:43,119 Speaker 2: it in moderation? 52 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:47,240 Speaker 3: So we should actually chat about moderation. I think it's 53 00:02:47,240 --> 00:02:51,120 Speaker 3: a gag way thought to hell because as soon as 54 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:54,160 Speaker 3: you say moderation, it means you're gonna cheat. I'm just 55 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:57,760 Speaker 3: not a fan of alcohol. I mean, one, it's a disinfectant, 56 00:02:57,880 --> 00:03:00,360 Speaker 3: so why are you going to drink a distant effect? 57 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:03,600 Speaker 3: And when you have one hundred trillion bugs in your gut? 58 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:08,720 Speaker 3: And any alcohol is associated with an increased risk of 59 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:15,000 Speaker 3: seven different types of cancer. And so if we're bombarded 60 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:20,880 Speaker 3: with alcohol messages thirty commercials during the Super Bowl and 61 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:26,520 Speaker 3: no as I've been a psychiatrist for over forty years 62 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:32,080 Speaker 3: now and it's probably the number one reason people come 63 00:03:32,120 --> 00:03:36,640 Speaker 3: to see me. It's either they're addicted or their behavior 64 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:41,680 Speaker 3: is bad where they say something when they're drinking that 65 00:03:41,760 --> 00:03:46,280 Speaker 3: they normally wouldn't have said. And then when the American 66 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:48,760 Speaker 3: Cancer Society comes out against any alcohol. 67 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:53,040 Speaker 2: I'm like, yes, right right, I mean, I hear you. 68 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:58,080 Speaker 2: And when you say moderation is cheating, that's again logic 69 00:03:58,160 --> 00:04:00,200 Speaker 2: to me. But I would have never thought of it 70 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:03,680 Speaker 2: that way or said it that way because it's true 71 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:06,160 Speaker 2: because I kind of live my life like, well, everything 72 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:09,080 Speaker 2: in moderation, like I'll have a brownie, you know maybe 73 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:10,880 Speaker 2: when you know, every once in a while. I'm not 74 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:12,760 Speaker 2: going to have it every night, but i'll have you know, 75 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:15,960 Speaker 2: everything in moderation has always been my saying, and now 76 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:18,400 Speaker 2: I feel like that's a saying to say. 77 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:22,280 Speaker 3: People come up to me all the time and they go, well, 78 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:24,760 Speaker 3: what about everything in moderation? And I know as soon 79 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:29,960 Speaker 3: as they say that, they're gonna cheat. And Drew Carey, 80 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:33,560 Speaker 3: who the comedian who lost a lot away, he said 81 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:40,280 Speaker 3: something so profound. He said, eating crappy food isn't a reward, 82 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:48,600 Speaker 3: it's a punishment. And when you understand that, it's like, well, 83 00:04:48,640 --> 00:04:50,800 Speaker 3: why are you going to have a cheat day? I mean, 84 00:04:50,839 --> 00:04:53,000 Speaker 3: if you are an alcoholic, you're not gonna have a 85 00:04:53,080 --> 00:04:53,520 Speaker 3: cheat day. 86 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:54,480 Speaker 4: That would be dumb. 87 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:56,279 Speaker 3: Or you're a sex addict, you're not going to have 88 00:04:56,320 --> 00:04:59,039 Speaker 3: a cheat day, or a smoker you're not gonna have 89 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:03,280 Speaker 3: a cheat day. You have to ask yourself what do 90 00:05:03,320 --> 00:05:09,159 Speaker 3: you really want? And for me, I want energy, and 91 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:12,839 Speaker 3: I want memory, and I want focus and I want passion. 92 00:05:12,960 --> 00:05:16,360 Speaker 3: I want connection and purpose. So when I look at 93 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:21,200 Speaker 3: the things that I might cheat with, I'm like, doesn't 94 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:26,560 Speaker 3: fit me, doesn't fit what I want. And so too 95 00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:32,520 Speaker 3: often when people are I call them babies and brain help, they're, oh, 96 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:34,880 Speaker 3: I can't have this and I can't have. 97 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:37,120 Speaker 4: That, but what are you trading it? 98 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:43,400 Speaker 3: Like? I only want to love food that loves me back. 99 00:05:44,839 --> 00:05:47,760 Speaker 3: I don't know if you've ever been in a bad relationship. 100 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:50,320 Speaker 3: I have, and I'm not doing that. 101 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:52,080 Speaker 1: You didn't google me, have you? 102 00:05:53,640 --> 00:05:58,560 Speaker 3: I am not doing that anymore, and I'm certainly not 103 00:05:58,600 --> 00:06:01,360 Speaker 3: doing it with the things I eat or the things 104 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:01,839 Speaker 3: I drink. 105 00:06:02,080 --> 00:06:18,280 Speaker 2: Right well, speaking of bad relationships, and I would love 106 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:22,520 Speaker 2: to kind of switch gears to, you know something brain 107 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:24,160 Speaker 2: wise stuff I didn't know. So I was in a 108 00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:28,440 Speaker 2: really bad abusive relationship when I was nineteen and she 109 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:29,159 Speaker 2: tried to kill me. 110 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:31,600 Speaker 1: He went to jail. It was the whole, the whole thing. 111 00:06:31,880 --> 00:06:37,320 Speaker 2: And from that relationship, I had really, really, really bad PTSD, 112 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:39,720 Speaker 2: where I just I couldn't even leave my house. I 113 00:06:39,760 --> 00:06:43,320 Speaker 2: was afraid for my life. I even though I knew 114 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:45,159 Speaker 2: he was in jail, I would still see his face. 115 00:06:45,279 --> 00:06:47,200 Speaker 2: I mean, it was just And I ended up going 116 00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:49,560 Speaker 2: to my therapist. And I'd never been on an anxiety 117 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:53,320 Speaker 2: medicine and never even had anxiety attack until after this 118 00:06:53,440 --> 00:06:55,920 Speaker 2: incident had happened where you know, he was on top 119 00:06:55,960 --> 00:06:58,640 Speaker 2: of me and you know, beating me up and choking me. 120 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:02,440 Speaker 2: And so so from that moment, anytime I ever feel 121 00:07:03,080 --> 00:07:05,720 Speaker 2: trapped or claustrophobic, like I will start to have an 122 00:07:05,720 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 2: anxiety attack or again being on in person. This was 123 00:07:08,440 --> 00:07:12,760 Speaker 2: back in my early twenties, and I remember going to 124 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:15,760 Speaker 2: my therapist going, if you don't prescribe me something now, 125 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 2: like I can't live my life like this anymore. And 126 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:20,080 Speaker 2: so then he was telling me about like the serotonin 127 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:24,080 Speaker 2: levels in your brain and do you how do I 128 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:24,360 Speaker 2: say this? 129 00:07:24,520 --> 00:07:27,000 Speaker 1: Do you think that? Wit? 130 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:27,200 Speaker 3: Let me? 131 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:30,120 Speaker 2: I'm separate that. So there's that piece. And then I 132 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:35,360 Speaker 2: was on medicine for almost nineteen years. I've recently just 133 00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:37,640 Speaker 2: got off my Lexapro a year and a half ago, 134 00:07:37,720 --> 00:07:41,000 Speaker 2: so I've been without anxiety medicine for a year and 135 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:43,720 Speaker 2: a half and I know now how to deal with 136 00:07:43,760 --> 00:07:46,640 Speaker 2: anxiety and it doesn't take over my life the way 137 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:49,760 Speaker 2: that it used to. But I've had someone else who 138 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:52,720 Speaker 2: I was recently had they were having an anxiety we're 139 00:07:52,760 --> 00:07:55,440 Speaker 2: talking about it, and she said she had one anxiety attack. 140 00:07:55,520 --> 00:07:58,840 Speaker 2: The doctor prescribed her medicine. And I'm like, why so soon, Like, 141 00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:01,000 Speaker 2: you just had one anxiety attack, Like why would you 142 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:03,520 Speaker 2: just She's like, well, they were saying the serotonin levels 143 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:06,280 Speaker 2: are now going to be messed up. And I'm like, yeah, 144 00:08:06,280 --> 00:08:07,960 Speaker 2: but you only had one, Like maybe your body was 145 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:10,520 Speaker 2: just not it was fearing something in that moment, and 146 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:11,800 Speaker 2: like that's what you should look into. 147 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:15,960 Speaker 1: So I guess my question is, like, how does it? 148 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:18,440 Speaker 2: Because I was told medicine is the only way to 149 00:08:18,440 --> 00:08:21,560 Speaker 2: fix the serotonin levels late. 150 00:08:21,360 --> 00:08:22,560 Speaker 1: Crap, mm hmm. 151 00:08:22,960 --> 00:08:27,560 Speaker 3: That's just the Yeah, And perhaps if I had been 152 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:31,560 Speaker 3: treating you, I would have given you medicine, but it 153 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:34,400 Speaker 3: had never been the first thing I did. 154 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:36,800 Speaker 4: The only thing I did. 155 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:41,319 Speaker 2: Have you ever had em DR A specific so EMDR 156 00:08:41,520 --> 00:08:46,040 Speaker 2: is what saved me basically, I mean that was I 157 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:49,760 Speaker 2: did that for three years, you know, in the therapy 158 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:52,360 Speaker 2: that I was doing, and that had that helped me 159 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:55,120 Speaker 2: get back on a car in a freeway, that helped me, 160 00:08:55,160 --> 00:08:58,760 Speaker 2: you know, do all the things that was keeping me 161 00:08:59,200 --> 00:09:03,880 Speaker 2: locked in. So yeah, I mean I'm a huge advocate 162 00:09:03,920 --> 00:09:05,920 Speaker 2: for EMDR because it helped me a ton. And then 163 00:09:06,120 --> 00:09:09,320 Speaker 2: post divorce was when I was like, wait a minute, 164 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:12,640 Speaker 2: I haven't had an anxiety attack at all. And then 165 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:15,280 Speaker 2: I think it was my body's way of going, you're safe. 166 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:19,360 Speaker 2: Now you can get off your medicine. So and I 167 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:22,400 Speaker 2: don't know if that is in relation to it, or 168 00:09:22,440 --> 00:09:25,440 Speaker 2: maybe my levels just I don't know, like, is there 169 00:09:26,840 --> 00:09:29,120 Speaker 2: That's the thing I wanted. I would love to know, 170 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:31,400 Speaker 2: because I'm like, is it just the many years I 171 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:33,400 Speaker 2: was on and my body just kind of stabilized, or 172 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:36,040 Speaker 2: was it I got out of a toxic situation and 173 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:38,600 Speaker 2: I felt safe and then I don't fear anymore. 174 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:47,480 Speaker 3: Well, trauma gets stuck in your brain, and EMDR helps 175 00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:51,800 Speaker 3: to get you unstuck. And then of course, learning how 176 00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:56,000 Speaker 3: to not believe every stupid thing you think, learning how 177 00:09:56,280 --> 00:10:00,240 Speaker 3: to settle your body, either with things like hypnosis or 178 00:10:00,280 --> 00:10:04,840 Speaker 3: meditation or diapframatic breathing, something I like a lot too 179 00:10:04,920 --> 00:10:11,720 Speaker 3: called vaguel nerve stimulation can just help calm your nervous system. 180 00:10:12,440 --> 00:10:16,120 Speaker 3: You see the problem with psychiatric drugs is once you 181 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:21,240 Speaker 3: start them, they change your brain to need them in 182 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:26,160 Speaker 3: order for you to feel normal. And having one panic attack, 183 00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:30,800 Speaker 3: often people go to the emergency room. They end up 184 00:10:30,800 --> 00:10:33,760 Speaker 3: an SSRI, or they end up on a benzo for 185 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:36,960 Speaker 3: God's sakes, which are addictive and increase your risk for 186 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:42,040 Speaker 3: Alzheimer's disease because it's a short term fix. Helps you 187 00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:46,400 Speaker 3: feel better fast, but clearly doesn't last. And I want 188 00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:51,959 Speaker 3: you to feel better fast, but in ways that lasts 189 00:10:52,679 --> 00:10:57,760 Speaker 3: over time that support the health of your brain rather 190 00:10:58,559 --> 00:11:02,160 Speaker 3: than hurt your brain. Like I'm not a fan of benzo's. 191 00:11:02,559 --> 00:11:06,880 Speaker 3: I mean I rarely prescribed them because once you start them, 192 00:11:06,920 --> 00:11:08,320 Speaker 3: people don't stop them. 193 00:11:08,559 --> 00:11:09,480 Speaker 4: That's the problem. 194 00:11:09,880 --> 00:11:12,080 Speaker 3: And it's like, well, you haven't been anxious your whole life, 195 00:11:12,200 --> 00:11:14,480 Speaker 3: Now you have a panic attack or you have seven 196 00:11:14,559 --> 00:11:20,760 Speaker 3: of them, and then you're not dealing with what's the cause, 197 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:25,240 Speaker 3: what's the root? And I think for you, given the 198 00:11:25,280 --> 00:11:30,000 Speaker 3: severe abuse, you had to calm down your brain. But 199 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:34,160 Speaker 3: you know magnesium does that, or Ashua Gandha does that, 200 00:11:34,559 --> 00:11:42,160 Speaker 3: or Fielning does that, and why not start with natural things? 201 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:45,760 Speaker 3: And then if they don't work. Go stronger and stronger 202 00:11:45,880 --> 00:11:50,120 Speaker 3: until you get something that works. But I found emd 203 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:51,600 Speaker 3: are so helpful. 204 00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:52,320 Speaker 1: It really is. 205 00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:55,760 Speaker 2: And she did that in brain spotting, so I don't 206 00:11:55,760 --> 00:11:58,240 Speaker 2: know like what the exact difference is, but it was 207 00:11:58,320 --> 00:12:00,240 Speaker 2: she kind of did both at the same time in 208 00:12:00,280 --> 00:12:03,360 Speaker 2: a way, and it was yeah, I mean it's changed 209 00:12:03,400 --> 00:12:03,960 Speaker 2: to each other. 210 00:12:04,120 --> 00:12:05,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, it was. It was incredible. 211 00:12:05,880 --> 00:12:10,040 Speaker 3: And I love another one called Havening. So now when 212 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:14,240 Speaker 3: you get upset. So they're all based on this bilateral 213 00:12:14,320 --> 00:12:17,520 Speaker 3: hemisphere stimulation. If you stimulate one side of the brain, 214 00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:20,000 Speaker 3: then the other one side, then the other one side 215 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:21,960 Speaker 3: than the other, and that's what they do with the 216 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:25,000 Speaker 3: eye movements or the tapping. 217 00:12:26,320 --> 00:12:26,520 Speaker 4: Ron. 218 00:12:26,640 --> 00:12:29,480 Speaker 3: Rudden out of New York found if you just do this, 219 00:12:30,520 --> 00:12:35,199 Speaker 3: go into the thing that's bothering you or I guess 220 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:36,240 Speaker 3: my favorite. 221 00:12:35,800 --> 00:12:36,360 Speaker 4: One is this. 222 00:12:39,640 --> 00:12:42,800 Speaker 3: It really just seems to calm you down. 223 00:12:43,040 --> 00:12:46,200 Speaker 4: Like how simple is that? 224 00:12:46,520 --> 00:12:48,800 Speaker 3: And you know it's simple to take a medicine, but 225 00:12:49,080 --> 00:12:52,640 Speaker 3: you know, something like lexapro can decrease or libido make 226 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:55,360 Speaker 3: it harder to have an orgasm. 227 00:12:55,800 --> 00:12:58,520 Speaker 4: You know, it's it's like, well, why are we going 228 00:12:58,600 --> 00:12:59,720 Speaker 4: to do that first? 229 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:00,319 Speaker 1: Hmm? 230 00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:03,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, interesting and I'm so curious too when we 231 00:13:03,520 --> 00:13:05,360 Speaker 2: do the scan your brain because you have how many 232 00:13:05,360 --> 00:13:09,680 Speaker 2: different locations do you have? Around eleven eleven? That's amazing 233 00:13:11,080 --> 00:13:15,160 Speaker 2: because I'm so fascinated by your story with your nephew, 234 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:18,160 Speaker 2: and I really encourage people to go to your page 235 00:13:18,200 --> 00:13:21,439 Speaker 2: and just read everything about you, but just hearing how 236 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:24,640 Speaker 2: certain things that can you know your brain, I mean 237 00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:28,280 Speaker 2: can just trigger everything with like who you are and 238 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:28,880 Speaker 2: how you are. 239 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:34,000 Speaker 1: And I just I'm curious to see like what we 240 00:13:34,040 --> 00:13:34,720 Speaker 1: see when we do that. 241 00:13:34,760 --> 00:13:35,959 Speaker 2: So I feel like we have to have a part 242 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:38,760 Speaker 2: two to this podcast to be like, all right, let's dissect. 243 00:13:38,360 --> 00:13:40,040 Speaker 1: Now what my brain like. 244 00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:42,160 Speaker 2: And when we look at it, would you be like, 245 00:13:42,160 --> 00:13:43,880 Speaker 2: all right, this is what you need to do or like, 246 00:13:43,920 --> 00:13:44,720 Speaker 2: how does that like? 247 00:13:45,040 --> 00:13:46,960 Speaker 1: Where do we go? Do you give me like a 248 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:47,480 Speaker 1: game plan? 249 00:13:48,280 --> 00:13:51,280 Speaker 3: So we do a study called brain spectumagaine, and spec 250 00:13:51,320 --> 00:13:53,200 Speaker 3: looks a blood flow and activity. 251 00:13:53,240 --> 00:13:55,560 Speaker 4: It looks at how your brain works. 252 00:13:55,559 --> 00:14:00,679 Speaker 3: And basically tells us three things. Is it healthy, interactive, 253 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:05,120 Speaker 3: or overactive? And then my job becomes balancing it. But 254 00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:06,880 Speaker 3: when you come to see me, we're going to take 255 00:14:06,920 --> 00:14:09,920 Speaker 3: a really detailed history. I want to know the story 256 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:12,080 Speaker 3: of your life, because I have to put your scan 257 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:17,560 Speaker 3: in the context of your life, and then you bet, 258 00:14:17,640 --> 00:14:20,720 Speaker 3: I'll give you a plan and if it's really healthy, 259 00:14:21,680 --> 00:14:25,600 Speaker 3: we'll celebrate. And if it's not well rehabilitated, I mean, 260 00:14:25,680 --> 00:14:31,040 Speaker 3: I love making bad brains better. So that's like my 261 00:14:31,280 --> 00:14:34,320 Speaker 3: favorite thing to do. I did the big NFL study 262 00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:37,080 Speaker 3: when the NFL was sort of lying it had a 263 00:14:37,160 --> 00:14:40,960 Speaker 3: problem with traumatic brain injury and football. 264 00:14:40,920 --> 00:14:42,280 Speaker 4: High levels of damage. 265 00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:45,840 Speaker 3: Stop lying about it. But eighty percent of my players 266 00:14:45,880 --> 00:14:50,000 Speaker 3: get better when we put them on a rehabilitation program, 267 00:14:50,040 --> 00:14:54,800 Speaker 3: which is basically three things. Brain envy. You got to 268 00:14:54,840 --> 00:14:58,800 Speaker 3: start caring about your brain. Freud was wrong, venus envy 269 00:14:58,880 --> 00:15:01,760 Speaker 3: is not the cause of an anybody's problem. Haven't seen 270 00:15:01,760 --> 00:15:04,760 Speaker 3: it once in forty years. He had the wrong organ. 271 00:15:05,160 --> 00:15:10,200 Speaker 3: It's your brain. So that's step one. Care two. So 272 00:15:10,240 --> 00:15:13,880 Speaker 3: you have to start avoiding anything that hurts your brain. 273 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:17,520 Speaker 3: And just know the list, from going to bed late 274 00:15:17,720 --> 00:15:23,560 Speaker 3: to alcohol, marijuana, to bad food to being overweight. To 275 00:15:23,640 --> 00:15:27,920 Speaker 3: avoid those things and then do regular things that help 276 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:33,800 Speaker 3: your brain. Multiple vitamin especially B vitamins B six, B twelve, 277 00:15:33,880 --> 00:15:38,880 Speaker 3: and FOL light have been found to enhance memory and 278 00:15:38,960 --> 00:15:43,440 Speaker 3: actually decrease the conversion of this thing we call mild 279 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:48,239 Speaker 3: cognitive impairment. You have mild memory problems to severe memory problems. 280 00:15:48,760 --> 00:15:52,000 Speaker 3: Vitamin D. People have low vitamin D have smaller brains. 281 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:55,240 Speaker 3: I mean, how simple is that? Take five thousand units 282 00:15:55,240 --> 00:16:00,320 Speaker 3: of vitamin D a day, Omega three fatty acids. Put 283 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:04,840 Speaker 3: my players on a special cocktail of supplements that help them. 284 00:16:05,320 --> 00:16:11,280 Speaker 3: Eighty percent of brain damage players got better on our program. 285 00:16:11,600 --> 00:16:15,560 Speaker 3: How exciting is that you're not stuck with what you have. 286 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:17,160 Speaker 3: You can make it better. 287 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:35,440 Speaker 2: Do you ever see a world where insurance companies would 288 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:41,280 Speaker 2: let would have would pay for, not pay for, but 289 00:16:41,360 --> 00:16:44,920 Speaker 2: help pay for brain scans, since the brain basically controls 290 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:48,400 Speaker 2: our body. And it is with mental health illness on 291 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:52,920 Speaker 2: the rise and with you know people like this would 292 00:16:52,960 --> 00:16:54,160 Speaker 2: help people so much. 293 00:16:55,600 --> 00:17:00,680 Speaker 3: I think so, but not until we change the pair paradigm. 294 00:17:01,080 --> 00:17:05,480 Speaker 3: The problem is with the words mental illness. 295 00:17:06,359 --> 00:17:09,040 Speaker 1: I hate that okay tummy because. 296 00:17:08,680 --> 00:17:15,480 Speaker 3: It shames people. It stigmatizes people, and it's wrong. Until 297 00:17:15,760 --> 00:17:20,080 Speaker 3: psychiatry stops acting like it did in the eighteenth century, 298 00:17:20,520 --> 00:17:25,920 Speaker 3: making diagnoses based on symptom clusters with no biological data. 299 00:17:26,040 --> 00:17:31,960 Speaker 3: Until we stop this crazy paradigm that makes pharmaceutical companies 300 00:17:32,800 --> 00:17:39,960 Speaker 3: uber wealthy and people poor. See our database is now 301 00:17:40,040 --> 00:17:43,760 Speaker 3: two hundred and thirty thousand scants. And the big lesson 302 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:47,960 Speaker 3: is most psychiatric illnesses are not mental health issues. 303 00:17:48,359 --> 00:17:50,480 Speaker 4: They are brain health issues. 304 00:17:50,920 --> 00:17:55,919 Speaker 3: And that one idea changes everything. Rather than go to 305 00:17:55,960 --> 00:17:58,520 Speaker 3: a therapist and talk about your mind, should we go 306 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:00,880 Speaker 3: to a therapists and talk about, well, how's my brain? 307 00:18:01,520 --> 00:18:06,600 Speaker 3: How's the physical functioning of my brain? I'm in Justin 308 00:18:06,600 --> 00:18:12,240 Speaker 3: Bieber's Docusaries seasons because I've been as doctor, and you know, 309 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:15,240 Speaker 3: like many famous people, he'd come, he'd not come, you'd 310 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:17,960 Speaker 3: do it, I say, mostly not. And then when it 311 00:18:18,040 --> 00:18:21,159 Speaker 3: was gone through a hard time, he came and he 312 00:18:21,440 --> 00:18:25,320 Speaker 3: said something so profound. He said, I think I get 313 00:18:25,320 --> 00:18:29,080 Speaker 3: what you're trying to tell me. My brain is an organ, 314 00:18:29,640 --> 00:18:32,560 Speaker 3: like my heart is an organ. If you told me 315 00:18:32,600 --> 00:18:36,000 Speaker 3: I had art problems, I'd do everything you said. And 316 00:18:36,080 --> 00:18:42,000 Speaker 3: then as he engaged in brain healthy habits, he lost 317 00:18:42,080 --> 00:18:46,600 Speaker 3: the bipolar disordered diagnosis, and other psychiatrist dave them and 318 00:18:46,680 --> 00:18:52,960 Speaker 3: he did much better. So it completely changes the focus 319 00:18:53,680 --> 00:18:58,160 Speaker 3: away from your mind, which is vague and hard to define, 320 00:18:58,960 --> 00:19:02,359 Speaker 3: to the physical functioning of your brain. 321 00:19:03,600 --> 00:19:07,479 Speaker 2: So fascinating, and again like, yeah, if you look at 322 00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:08,639 Speaker 2: it like that, I mean, if you told me that 323 00:19:08,720 --> 00:19:10,720 Speaker 2: I had That's why I want to go sobout so 324 00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:12,239 Speaker 2: why I want to do all the scans to be right? 325 00:19:12,240 --> 00:19:14,400 Speaker 2: What do I need to like do to make sure 326 00:19:14,440 --> 00:19:16,600 Speaker 2: that I stay healthy? And I love you with your 327 00:19:16,600 --> 00:19:19,160 Speaker 2: book change your brain every day? I mean you give 328 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:22,399 Speaker 2: every day how to change your brain something for so 329 00:19:22,520 --> 00:19:24,920 Speaker 2: what's a few that the book right now? But also 330 00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:27,080 Speaker 2: what are a few things to help change your brain 331 00:19:27,160 --> 00:19:27,920 Speaker 2: that you write? 332 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:29,840 Speaker 3: Start every day? 333 00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:30,840 Speaker 4: It'd be a great day. 334 00:19:31,560 --> 00:19:35,760 Speaker 3: I really to train your brain to look for what's 335 00:19:35,840 --> 00:19:39,399 Speaker 3: right rather than what's wrong. My favorite exercise, the one 336 00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:41,480 Speaker 3: I do every day, and I've done it for over 337 00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:44,120 Speaker 3: a decade, is when I go to bed at night, 338 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:45,760 Speaker 3: I say a prayer and then I. 339 00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:47,119 Speaker 4: Go what went well today? 340 00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:50,520 Speaker 3: And I actually start at the beginning of my day, 341 00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:55,160 Speaker 3: go hour by hour looking for what I liked about 342 00:19:55,480 --> 00:19:58,800 Speaker 3: my day. So talking to you, that'll make the highlight 343 00:19:58,880 --> 00:20:04,040 Speaker 3: real tonight and it's so important. And then before I 344 00:20:04,119 --> 00:20:09,120 Speaker 3: make any decision today, I asked myself this question, it's 345 00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:12,240 Speaker 3: just good for my brain or bad for it? And 346 00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:17,680 Speaker 3: if I can answer that with information and love, love 347 00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:20,520 Speaker 3: of myself, love of my family, love of the reason 348 00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:25,600 Speaker 3: I'm on the earth. Let's make better decisions. I also 349 00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:31,159 Speaker 3: take multiple vitamin I'll take smart mushrooms, not magic mushrooms, 350 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:34,680 Speaker 3: but I'm a huge fan of Lion's maine and turkey 351 00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:39,560 Speaker 3: tail and Rishi and Cortes EPs mushrooms, So I have 352 00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:43,840 Speaker 3: my supplements. Another one I love is Saffron. Saffron has 353 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:50,440 Speaker 3: twenty four randomized controlled trials showing it's equally effective antidepressants. 354 00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:52,679 Speaker 3: So when the doctor thought you were depressed, I had 355 00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:57,840 Speaker 3: to put you on happy Saffron rather than lexapro. And 356 00:20:57,880 --> 00:21:00,119 Speaker 3: if it didn't work, I'd go to lexapro. Right, So 357 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:04,320 Speaker 3: I want to make sure the message is clear. I'll 358 00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:12,080 Speaker 3: eat a very low carbohydrate diet because diabetes, pre diabetes, 359 00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:18,640 Speaker 3: obesity is the enemy of brain health, and so what 360 00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:24,640 Speaker 3: you eat is critical. People have a fat based diet. Avocados, 361 00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:29,160 Speaker 3: nuts and seeds, healthy oils, fatty fish have forty two 362 00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:33,240 Speaker 3: percent less risk of getting Alzheimer's disease, according to a 363 00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:37,160 Speaker 3: study from the Mayo Clinic. People have a simple carbohydrate 364 00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:43,880 Speaker 3: based diet, so think of the standard American diet bread, pasta, potatoes, 365 00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:50,639 Speaker 3: rice fruit, juice, sugar four hundred percent increase risk of 366 00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:51,760 Speaker 3: getting Alzheimer's. 367 00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:54,000 Speaker 4: I'm not okay with that. 368 00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:57,800 Speaker 3: And so the food I eat, and I always want 369 00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:01,600 Speaker 3: you to ask this question, do I love it? And 370 00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:06,119 Speaker 3: does it love me? Because it's a relationship and I 371 00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:09,520 Speaker 3: only like every day. I figured out recently how to 372 00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:16,800 Speaker 3: make my own lemonade slushy. I just take a whole lemon, 373 00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:22,000 Speaker 3: put it in a blender with sparkling water, ice, and 374 00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:25,959 Speaker 3: a little bit of chocolate Stevia. There's a company I 375 00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:29,639 Speaker 3: like called Sweet Leaf. They make like ten different flavors 376 00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:33,359 Speaker 3: of stevia. I blend it and it just like going 377 00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:35,800 Speaker 3: to seven to eleven and getting a slushy, except this 378 00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:40,679 Speaker 3: one's healthy and I love it and it loves me. 379 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:44,280 Speaker 3: Or I make brain healthy hot chocolate every night for 380 00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:52,000 Speaker 3: my family, unsweetened almond milk, organic almond milk with raw cacao, 381 00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:59,040 Speaker 3: which is just loaded with healthy compounds and increased blood 382 00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:01,560 Speaker 3: float of the brain, little bit of chocolate stevia. 383 00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:05,320 Speaker 4: Put it in a blender. Eighty four calories. I'm happy 384 00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:06,040 Speaker 4: as a clam. 385 00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:07,680 Speaker 1: Wow. 386 00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:10,280 Speaker 2: I mean, do you have that in your book too? 387 00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:13,360 Speaker 2: Like you do you have a I. 388 00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:15,720 Speaker 3: Don't have the lemonade one because I just figured it out. 389 00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:18,440 Speaker 1: Okay, well you'll send me that one. 390 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:20,600 Speaker 3: And I have a new book coming out next year 391 00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:23,160 Speaker 3: called Raising Mentally Strong Kids. 392 00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:25,960 Speaker 2: Oh see, I really really would love to read that 393 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:28,199 Speaker 2: one too, because I'm just doing the best that I 394 00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:30,480 Speaker 2: can because you know, obviously I know all about my 395 00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:32,840 Speaker 2: childhood traumas from doing all the therapy, and so I'm 396 00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:34,320 Speaker 2: just i have a seven and a four year old, 397 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:38,199 Speaker 2: so I'm trying to you know, what I'd love to 398 00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:40,120 Speaker 2: know more like what I can do as a mom 399 00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:45,440 Speaker 2: to just help guide them in better, better directions. 400 00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:49,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, read parenting with love and logic. It is so 401 00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:54,520 Speaker 3: awesome because ultimately, when you grow up with someone who's 402 00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:59,680 Speaker 3: very successful or famous, that already gives you some negative 403 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:04,760 Speaker 3: thoughts about yourself how could I ever live up? And 404 00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:08,280 Speaker 3: you help them by not doing too much for them 405 00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:10,840 Speaker 3: right when you have a lot, You're like, oh, I 406 00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:11,760 Speaker 3: love them so much. 407 00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:12,760 Speaker 4: I don't want them. 408 00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:18,679 Speaker 3: To suffer, and that will cause entitlement and suffering, and 409 00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:22,680 Speaker 3: so it's really important that they have chores that you 410 00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:27,760 Speaker 3: teach them to solve their own problems. Oh mommy on board, 411 00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:30,240 Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, well, we should do boredom training. I 412 00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:33,280 Speaker 3: wonder what you could do about that that does not 413 00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:35,040 Speaker 3: involve devices. 414 00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:37,280 Speaker 2: Well, no, So my thing is I'm like, go outside, 415 00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:39,679 Speaker 2: like I am such an advocate, and that's where like 416 00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:42,400 Speaker 2: my ex and I because I'm like, I hate the iPad. 417 00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:44,760 Speaker 2: I mean, I love that. I hate saying hate, but 418 00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:46,800 Speaker 2: I just I do. I just I don't like to 419 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:48,240 Speaker 2: go outside. 420 00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:53,360 Speaker 3: Because those companies are after mind share and they're stealing 421 00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:56,840 Speaker 3: a generation of children. Fifty seven percent of girls are 422 00:24:56,880 --> 00:25:00,800 Speaker 3: persistently sad. And the more you're on a social media 423 00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:06,280 Speaker 3: site and on average Jenna, children spend three point five 424 00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:11,080 Speaker 3: hours a day and the third of kids are constantly 425 00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:16,040 Speaker 3: on social media sites, this is we're on the front 426 00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:19,520 Speaker 3: edge of a tidal wave. Yeah, brain and mental health 427 00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:24,120 Speaker 3: problems in children. So parents, they need to be off 428 00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:31,600 Speaker 3: their devices themselves and delay it as long as you can. 429 00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:34,920 Speaker 3: If they're fourteen and they don't have a phone, they're not. 430 00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:35,520 Speaker 4: Going to die. 431 00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:37,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's how I keep saying, like my daughter 432 00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:41,360 Speaker 2: might dislike me because all her friends, I don't care. 433 00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:42,840 Speaker 2: I don't want her on it because I know what 434 00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:46,000 Speaker 2: it's has done to me with all the negative comments 435 00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:48,399 Speaker 2: and people saying things and the filters and this, and 436 00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:50,040 Speaker 2: I'm like, well, well kind of like my nose better 437 00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:51,840 Speaker 2: in this filter. And then I'm like, nope, no more filters, 438 00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:54,760 Speaker 2: no more nothing like cause it's like it's it messes 439 00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:56,359 Speaker 2: with you. And then I get depressed and then I'm like, 440 00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:59,320 Speaker 2: n noah, no more. Don't like it. 441 00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:01,720 Speaker 1: It's absolutely I don't want it from my kids. 442 00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:02,280 Speaker 4: Correct. 443 00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:06,679 Speaker 3: And so you know, given that you know many of 444 00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:11,159 Speaker 3: their friends will have it, they won't like you, But 445 00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:16,040 Speaker 3: I guarantee they won't like you more if you don't 446 00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:20,560 Speaker 3: supervise them. So I've often said that is kids hate 447 00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:23,639 Speaker 3: to be supervised, and they hate it more when they're not. 448 00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:29,520 Speaker 3: But the trick is is you have no influence without connection. 449 00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:34,399 Speaker 3: And so four and seven these are perfect ages. I 450 00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:37,600 Speaker 3: do special time with each of them every day twenty minutes, 451 00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:41,320 Speaker 3: ten twenty minutes and go, hey, this is your time. 452 00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:45,960 Speaker 3: And during that time, no devices, and go this is 453 00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:51,080 Speaker 3: your time, no commands, no questions, no direction. Do something 454 00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:54,800 Speaker 3: with them. It's not TV or video games that they 455 00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:58,840 Speaker 3: want to do. And if you do that every day 456 00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:02,240 Speaker 3: over a couple of years, it's like money in the bank. 457 00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:08,080 Speaker 3: If you want your children to pick your values, time 458 00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:12,640 Speaker 3: and be a good listener. And too often, especially for women, 459 00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:15,240 Speaker 3: I'll probably get hate mail for this. Especially for women, 460 00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:18,120 Speaker 3: they talk too much because they have language on both 461 00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:20,520 Speaker 3: sides of their brain. Guys just have language on the 462 00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:25,080 Speaker 3: left side of their brain. It's be a really good listener. 463 00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:28,280 Speaker 3: This thing I teach in the book called active listening. 464 00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:37,320 Speaker 3: When they say something, don't respond, listen and then repeat 465 00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:41,760 Speaker 3: back what you're hearing and listen for the feelings behind 466 00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:46,280 Speaker 3: what you're hearing. And if you do that, they'll keep talking. 467 00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:48,760 Speaker 3: So many kids, they parents bring them to me and 468 00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:50,479 Speaker 3: they go, oh, he said he won't talk to you. 469 00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:52,440 Speaker 4: I go, I know, it's really hard. 470 00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:55,400 Speaker 3: And once I shut the door and I actually listen, 471 00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:56,239 Speaker 3: they won't shut up. 472 00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:58,919 Speaker 4: That like little chotterboxes. 473 00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:01,720 Speaker 3: And the parents like, how would you do that? It's 474 00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:04,959 Speaker 3: like I didn't say anything, you know, I just listened 475 00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:07,160 Speaker 3: and reflected right. 476 00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:07,600 Speaker 4: Fact. 477 00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:11,080 Speaker 3: So if you spend time with them just that ten 478 00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:15,200 Speaker 3: twenty minutes a day and you're a really good listener, 479 00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:19,159 Speaker 3: they're going to bond with you. It's ultimately what humans want. 480 00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:25,080 Speaker 3: We want to be bonded to safe parents. And then 481 00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:26,600 Speaker 3: they tend to pick your values. 482 00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:30,560 Speaker 2: Well, you are just I could talk to you all day, 483 00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:32,479 Speaker 2: but I know you were a very busy man, So 484 00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:36,080 Speaker 2: thank you for coming on the show, and I just 485 00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:40,160 Speaker 2: I appreciate everything that you're doing and thank you for Yeah. 486 00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:42,680 Speaker 2: I love how even how you switch the whole mental 487 00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:45,600 Speaker 2: health thing. I mean, I get everything you say, and 488 00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:48,280 Speaker 2: so I just I appreciate you coming on, and I 489 00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:50,960 Speaker 2: cannot wait to meet you in person and check out 490 00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:52,800 Speaker 2: my brain and all the trauma that it might still 491 00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:54,800 Speaker 2: have but it's okay because we're going to fix it. 492 00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:58,760 Speaker 3: Well, you do lots of really good things for it. 493 00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:02,960 Speaker 3: So I look forward to seeing you in person, hopefully soon, 494 00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:06,760 Speaker 3: and thank you for helping me spread the message. It's 495 00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:09,360 Speaker 3: not mental illness, it's brain. 496 00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:11,640 Speaker 2: Health, absolutely, and I really appreciate you saying that. So 497 00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:14,600 Speaker 2: thank you for coming on and I'll see you soon. 498 00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:19,680 Speaker 2: Thank you all right, bye, honey, bye. Everybody get doctor 499 00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:23,400 Speaker 2: Daniel Amon's book, Change your Brain every Day, and I 500 00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:26,680 Speaker 2: love what he said about mental health illness. It's not 501 00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:30,080 Speaker 2: it's about the brain health and getting brain healthy. So 502 00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:33,240 Speaker 2: I am ordering at Decartes. 503 00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:34,440 Speaker 1: See you guys later.