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Speaker 2: and waiting. He's Peter Apple, And you know, sometimes you
Speaker 2: got it adjust the schedule for Pete Flaherty. We did that.
Speaker 2: The College Baseball The College World Series episode was a banger.
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Speaker 2: got to do the mail gag. You and I look
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Speaker 2: was fun because everybody gives us such good questions, So
Speaker 2: this is no different. You and I get together, We're
Speaker 2: pumped to do the questions and we got a lot
Speaker 2: of good ones.
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Speaker 1: older to do it. Yes, this is my favorite episode
Speaker 1: of the week. I also love asking you about the
Speaker 1: Prospect Report, but that's every other Wednesday. But we had
Speaker 1: to fit the mailbag in and we also have to
Speaker 1: fit in a smidge of time to talk about the
Speaker 1: best team in baseball, the team who has not lost,
Speaker 1: like your favorite team has probably lost in the last
Speaker 1: eight games. Not the A's, not the Oakland A's, not
Speaker 1: the Juggernaut A's, not the A's that I said have
Speaker 1: a slightly below average offense. Let's not forget about that.
Speaker 2: You said there must be TV based you are right, yes, yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean you also predicted that they would have the
Speaker 2: most incredible fan interaction that we've seen in a game ever. Like, no,
Speaker 2: but certainly that game, by the way, was just so
Speaker 2: much fun. I won't pretend I watched the whole thing,
Speaker 2: but the fact that that whole event, what we had
Speaker 2: going on there, and for those who don't know, like
Speaker 2: what was the best way to categorize this thing, Peter,
Speaker 2: It was basically a reverse boycott in the effort of
Speaker 2: Oakland fans to show, hey, we exist. Hey this is
Speaker 2: a good baseball market. But like anything, like any product,
Speaker 2: if the product is trash, the market will not be
Speaker 2: very eager to you know, go spend money in and
Speaker 2: go watch or consume or whatever the product may be.
Speaker 2: The product is absolute garbage. We know that I admire
Speaker 2: the A's players for working hard and grinding and competing,
Speaker 2: but at the end of the day, a lot of
Speaker 2: these guys probably wouldn't get big leag opportunities elsewhere. That's
Speaker 2: not the point though. The point is that we saw
Speaker 2: a bunch of Oakland A's fans show out in Unison.
Speaker 2: What was it twenty eight thousand nearly that showed up
Speaker 2: to this ball on a Tuesday night? Right, was it
Speaker 2: a Tuesday night?
Speaker 1: Brushintaro Fujinami opener to Hogan Harris taken on Jalen me Well.
Speaker 2: By the way, Hogan Harris was lights out, by.
Speaker 1: The lights out, seven innings, four hits, one earned, and
Speaker 1: it was so great. They raised a bunch of money
Speaker 1: for charity, and even the Oakland A's pitched in and
Speaker 1: said that they were donating all the proceeds that they
Speaker 1: got from ticket revenue to charity as well. Just a
Speaker 1: great event and it was actually really good.
Speaker 2: By the way, Sorry to cut you off, but before
Speaker 2: I forgot that was dope, because I was thinking, the
Speaker 2: first thing that went into my cynical mind was like,
Speaker 2: oh this this asshole. You know, John Fisher is gonna
Speaker 2: now profit off of this reverse boycott, Like, screw you.
Speaker 2: He's gonna make more off off this game than he
Speaker 2: did in several months. But no, it really is great
Speaker 2: on the A's for doing that, and that was the
Speaker 2: right way to approach it, to get back to the
Speaker 2: community that's trying to fight to keep the team while
Speaker 2: they are still going to probably move the team out.
Speaker 2: It was a nice gesture all things considered. But I
Speaker 2: just this is just everything that baseball like embodies cliches
Speaker 2: and pull out all the cliches. It was storybook. It
Speaker 2: seems like it was an episode or a part out
Speaker 2: of like a chapter out of Major League Like it
Speaker 2: just seemed too like, too perfect. And the fact that
Speaker 2: they've won that game too, the fact that it's in
Speaker 2: the middle of a winning streak, and the fact that
Speaker 2: they did it against the best team in baseball. Like
Speaker 2: if this was an episode of Ted Lasso or whatever,
Speaker 2: it would be like you'd be like, oh, okay, yeah,
Speaker 2: this is very you know, this is very sick comy,
Speaker 2: Like this is not really a real thing that would happen,
Speaker 2: but it did. They fed off the crowd. The crowd
Speaker 2: was awesome, and Hogan Harris shoved.
Speaker 1: That's the reality of the situation. The A's continue to win,
Speaker 1: and fans showed up, and they proved again that it's
Speaker 1: not it's not on us. If you give us a
Speaker 1: decent ballpark without sewage leaking in, if you give us
Speaker 1: a product on the field that at least when I
Speaker 1: go to the ballpark, I can imagine a chance at winning.
Speaker 1: That's all they're asking for. They're not asking for a
Speaker 1: dirt payroll. They're not asking for a stadium that's falling apart.
Speaker 1: Invest in us. You don't have to spend a ton
Speaker 1: of money. We're not greedy. All we need is a shot,
Speaker 1: and you haven't given us a shot all year. So
Speaker 1: A's fans decided, well, it's in our hands now we're
Speaker 1: gonna do this reverse boycott and all the comments on
Speaker 1: social media when it first started before we saw eventually
Speaker 1: how well A's fans handled it. And then of course
Speaker 1: give credit to John Fisher because he did the right
Speaker 1: thing by donating all that ticket revenue. We found that
Speaker 1: A's fans they did their job, yep.
Speaker 2: And they've done in the past. They've showed up when
Speaker 2: they win, they show up, you know. And and that's
Speaker 2: even in that crappy stadium, So it was cool, you know,
Speaker 2: And I think that's something that even if baseball, you know,
Speaker 2: presumably leaves Oakland, it's something that I think will always remember,
Speaker 2: and I think a lot of Oakland fans will always
Speaker 2: remember as just a really special ballgame there to beat
Speaker 2: the Rays. Too. But we've got a lot of questions
Speaker 2: to get through. We got seven of them. All seven
Speaker 2: are really fun, kind of ranging of all different topics, Peter,
Speaker 2: and I'm noticing, and you texted me before we started recording,
Speaker 2: there's a deadline slant on the majority of our questions now,
Speaker 2: and we're getting there. You think about it's June fifteenth
Speaker 2: as people are listening to this. By the time we
Speaker 2: do the next mail bag, it'll be trade season, fully,
Speaker 2: and then if there's a mail bag after that, it
Speaker 2: would be like right at the deadline. So we're getting there,
Speaker 2: and I understand it, and we're kind of at that
Speaker 2: point where teams are deciding what their direction is. So
Speaker 2: that kind of leads us into a lot of these questions,
Speaker 2: and it leads us into the first one, which you know,
Speaker 2: I obviously wanted to jump on a Marlins question, not
Speaker 2: just because I want to talk about the Marlin. They've
Speaker 2: lost two in a row. I like to hear what
Speaker 2: you guys have to say about the Marlins, as you know,
Speaker 2: you Jack kind of covering the whole league, looking at
Speaker 2: the whole league and your thoughts on it. Similar to
Speaker 2: how you ask us you know about the Yankees, and
Speaker 2: Jack will ask us about the White Sox. But I
Speaker 2: never asked about the Marlins because they were never really relevant.
Speaker 2: They kind of are now. Kevin Burrow asks trade deadline
Speaker 2: plan for the Marlins question mark, Obviously, we know they
Speaker 2: need catching, but what other positions do you see them targeting?
Speaker 2: And which prospects do you do you find partnering with
Speaker 2: to make a trade to boost the major league clubs?
Speaker 2: Sometimes the translation from social media is a little rough, sorry,
Speaker 2: but basically, what the Marlins do, what should their trade
Speaker 2: deadline plan be, and what positions should they upgrade? Obviously
Speaker 2: Kimming recently came out and said that they're surveying the
Speaker 2: catching market, but like, who isn't what else do you
Speaker 2: see Peter as someone that's you know, obviously not as
Speaker 2: emotionally attached maybe to the Marlins. Though I've feel like
Speaker 2: I've done a good job of removing myself to a
Speaker 2: degree there, But as an outsider so to speak, what
Speaker 2: would be your answer to Kevin's question in terms of
Speaker 2: what they should do all fill in on the prospect side,
Speaker 2: but specifically in the big league set, what should they answer?
Speaker 2: What is the most important area do you?
Speaker 1: I think the most important area is putting Jeens Cigar
Speaker 1: on the bench, which they have done more and more.
Speaker 1: And I think adding a third basement or a big
Speaker 1: time bat like that to this lineup would help even more.
Speaker 1: You know, there's a guy in Milwaukee's pretty good. Have
Speaker 1: you heard a Brian Anderson?
Speaker 2: Fuck you no?
Speaker 1: But in reality, so we talk about how the Giants, right,
Speaker 1: they'll probably be willing to part with a couple of bats.
Speaker 1: I don't know if the Giants want a guy like JD.
Speaker 1: Davis long term, but you put a guy like that
Speaker 1: on the Miami Marlins, right, because what are the Marlins
Speaker 1: always struggling with? Hitting left handed pitching? They've been better
Speaker 1: this season, but again you expect some of that kind
Speaker 1: of to regress back to the mean because normally they're
Speaker 1: better against right handed pitching. I'd like to see them
Speaker 1: add a bat like JD. Davis and they just have
Speaker 1: such a surplus of pitching that they can do again
Speaker 1: a Luisa Riaz for a Pablo Lopez type deal. I'm
Speaker 1: not saying they're going to do it, but potentially Braxy
Speaker 1: and Garrett for a bat. Right, they don't have to
Speaker 1: go deep into the prospect ranks in order to get
Speaker 1: a player. They can go to a relative contender and say, hey,
Speaker 1: blue Jays, you need pitching, we need hitting. Right, we
Speaker 1: talked about the wit Marrifield type deal from the Blue Jays. Right,
Speaker 1: the blue Jays ever since we did that, exactly said that, Sorry,
Speaker 1: who's going nuts?
Speaker 2: I said, he's been going nuts ever since we talked
Speaker 2: about with He's like.
Speaker 1: I don't want no, but that that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So they're in a very good spot. They have a
Speaker 1: prospect surplus that they could potentially trade for for a
Speaker 1: bat to a non contender. But they also have some
Speaker 1: decent MLB pitchers that can help a contender right now
Speaker 1: in order to get a bat. So it's kind of limitless,
Speaker 1: like you can kind of do wherever you want. They
Speaker 1: are in a good spot here.
Speaker 2: So they were they would have been in a great spot.
Speaker 2: Now there's some interesting wrinkles that I'll throw to you
Speaker 2: here because I agree. But now, with some injuries and
Speaker 2: some innings limitations, the Marlins margin for error is a
Speaker 2: little thinner. They can do something, but they better do
Speaker 2: the right thing here. So I think they did the
Speaker 2: right thing by trading pobwe right, But now you look
Speaker 2: at what their situation is Uri Perez, it's more of
Speaker 2: a matter of if, not when, or excuse me, a
Speaker 2: matter of when not if. In terms of him getting
Speaker 2: shut down and not shut down for the season. I
Speaker 2: think they're gonna try to manage his innings so that
Speaker 2: he can pitch later into the year. But remember this
Speaker 2: this kid, he's twenty years old. He's never thrown more
Speaker 2: than seventy something innings, so he's already getting there, and
Speaker 2: they're gonna want to be very careful with him. I mean,
Speaker 2: you're looking at the next five, six, seven, eight years
Speaker 2: with this guy, and you know how special he is,
Speaker 2: So they got to manage his innings. Trevor Rodgers just
Speaker 2: had a little bit of a set back. He probably
Speaker 2: could be back back in a couple of weeks, but
Speaker 2: it was a setback on his other arm, thank goodness.
Speaker 2: So I think he's fine, Johnny Quato's on his way back.
Speaker 2: That's at least a good depth arm there for you.
Speaker 2: Edward Cabrera didn't look great, but they're gonna ride Wizardo,
Speaker 2: Cabret Sandy all the way. Jake Eater just threw again.
Speaker 2: That's one of their best pitching prospects. Max Meyers out
Speaker 2: for the year, but again he's already throwing and is
Speaker 2: on his way back. Assuming that you have to get
Speaker 2: through several months without Yuri, maybe Trevor's not back, get
Speaker 2: and you're waiting for Cuato to come back, you probably
Speaker 2: got a trade from the minor league surplus or the
Speaker 2: minor league guys that you have, And I guess my
Speaker 2: question for you is are you sold enough on what
Speaker 2: the Marlins are doing to trade a legitimate building block
Speaker 2: or are you going for more of the low budget
Speaker 2: move to go get like a JD. Davis Because to me,
Speaker 2: when you mentioned JD. Davis, that was perfect for me,
Speaker 2: because you're looking at this team, they're always going to
Speaker 2: be pitching centric. JD makes a big difference because it's
Speaker 2: not just adding JD. Davis, it's replacing Gene Segurro with JD. Davis,
Speaker 2: which is like a net extra win. So I would
Speaker 2: almost rather do the smaller move. But have you seen
Speaker 2: enough to maybe be excited enough to try to make
Speaker 2: a bigger splash and try to make a more aggressive move.
Speaker 1: The thing is, I think you already kind of answered
Speaker 1: your question, right, because if they were to make a
Speaker 1: bigger splash, they got to trade from a lack of
Speaker 1: assets per se. Right, Because if they're going to make
Speaker 1: a splash, they have to trade a Max Meyer and
Speaker 1: a Jake Eder or some sort of combination of those
Speaker 1: guys in order to get that big time bat. And
Speaker 1: then what that does is that ultimately takes away from
Speaker 1: your future in starting pitching, which you do have a
Speaker 1: good amount of. But Sandy's you know, problems have been
Speaker 1: well documented up up to this point, like Lozardo has
Speaker 1: kind of had his ups and downs. URI's gonna go
Speaker 1: down for the season. So if you trade away those
Speaker 1: big time pitchers, the the lack of depth is going
Speaker 1: to start going all in years. And then when I
Speaker 1: look at the current team as constructed, Jean Sigar is
Speaker 1: the only real hole. Like the Marlins aren't this star
Speaker 1: studded team. But when I go around the diamond, I'm
Speaker 1: not like that guy sucks. That guy sucks. It's catching
Speaker 1: and it's the Jean Sigura. Yeah, I don't really have
Speaker 1: a problem with their outfield. I don't really have a
Speaker 1: problem with their infield outside of him. I don't have
Speaker 1: a problem with their starting pitching. Maybe go get a
Speaker 1: couple of bullpen arms. But I think if they make
Speaker 1: small moves within the mar Urgeins, they will be competitive
Speaker 1: this year. And I think that's a step up from
Speaker 1: other Marlins teams.
Speaker 2: I'm with you. I think that's I think that's one
Speaker 2: hundred percent the move that they should make, especially because
Speaker 2: you mentioned if they do trade from Eater or Meyer,
Speaker 2: you're going all in on the aforementioned arms, which you
Speaker 2: have often injured Rogers and you have a I would
Speaker 2: say that Edward Cabrera and Hayess Wizardo are two of
Speaker 2: the most volatile pitchers in baseball right now. We'll like
Speaker 2: it so which you know, they're great and sometimes they're terrible.
Speaker 2: So from that lens like do you want to go
Speaker 2: all in on that rotation, like you want to have
Speaker 2: a little bit of buffer. I think you make a
Speaker 2: smaller move bolster the catching position, bolster third base and
Speaker 2: just ride the squad out. But I agree, like there's
Speaker 2: no gaping hole in you get Jazz back, and that's
Speaker 2: just another bat to add in there as well. So
Speaker 2: I'm with you on that. I don't think that they
Speaker 2: should do anything crazy. I'd make a smaller move or
Speaker 2: two and just kind of piece together and ride with
Speaker 2: this team and see what you can do.
Speaker 1: The only issue is there's not a ton of great
Speaker 1: catching options that are going to be available at the deadline,
Speaker 1: so you might just have to roll with Nick Fortes, which.
Speaker 2: Nick Fortes and no, I'm looking at just like upgrading
Speaker 2: from Jacob Stallings, Like just give me like Jon Gomes
Speaker 2: to me would be great. I would take. I don't
Speaker 2: like Joey Bart, but like, man, that's fine as a
Speaker 2: second as a second catcher anyone, but Jacob Stallings. I
Speaker 2: think he's actually the worst catcher in Major League Baseball.
Speaker 1: He's up there. I mean, Guardians fans would argue about
Speaker 1: Mike Sinino, but that's another for another time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, who's the worst catcher? Just a full hour debate
Speaker 2: you and I could probably do that.
Speaker 1: I think.
Speaker 2: Next question comes from Riley mcelwaine two on Instagram, and
Speaker 2: I know that this is one that you like, Peter,
Speaker 2: if you could put a package together for Shane Bieber
Speaker 2: in a trade, what would they look like? So first, here, Peter,
Speaker 2: we got to identify a few teams. We've done that
Speaker 2: in a couple of episodes prior. I think the more
Speaker 2: that the Guardians struggle now, the more likely it teams
Speaker 2: that they could move him. What do we think the
Speaker 2: Guardians are looking for and what teams do we think
Speaker 2: will be in on the Guardians is where we'll start. All.
Speaker 2: Let you pick the teams and then all kind of
Speaker 2: add you know, which teams I think can offer a
Speaker 2: package maybe that the Guardians, yeah, I think would like,
Speaker 2: and then we can kind of come together with a conclusion.
Speaker 1: It is so funny, though, because while you're right, the
Speaker 1: Guardians are struggling a little bit, there's still just two
Speaker 1: and a half games back in the Minnesota Twins for
Speaker 1: the division. But at the same time, we brought up
Speaker 1: the Shane Bieber possible trade proposal before it got announced,
Speaker 1: not because we had some inside source about knowing that
Speaker 1: he potentially get traded, but that it made sense because
Speaker 1: the Guardians have this incredible surplus of starting pitching and
Speaker 1: the fact that they haven't signed him to a long
Speaker 1: term extension yet may put the writing on the wall
Speaker 1: that they're saying, yeah, we could potentially trade Shane Bieber
Speaker 1: if it meant's getting in an impact type that and
Speaker 1: among these reports that I'm reading on them, it is
Speaker 1: becoming increasingly clear that more teams are willing to do
Speaker 1: the Pablo Lopez for Luisa Rise type trade. That contenders
Speaker 1: are willing to say, hey, we'll trade with another contender.
Speaker 1: We need pitching, you need a bat. We got a bat.
Speaker 1: We need a bat, you got pitching. Like that kind
Speaker 1: of trade. It's so rare, which is so rare, rare,
Speaker 1: which is getting better. I love those type of trades.
Speaker 1: It feels like fantasy Baseball, right. You don't send some
Speaker 1: nineteen year old who maybe you've never heard of it,
Speaker 1: and it's like, well, great, are star just left. Now
Speaker 1: we have to wait a couple years and it may
Speaker 1: end up going great for you, But sometimes it doesn't.
Speaker 1: Like when you do that type of trade, you see
Speaker 1: the returns are immediate. So there's plenty of teams that
Speaker 1: I think could not only so we'll go over the
Speaker 1: contenders that potentially have a lot of bats who need pitching,
Speaker 1: and number one, we'll just go by division because there's
Speaker 1: almost one in every single division. The Baltimore Oriols and
Speaker 1: the Toronto Blue Jays come to my mind first, right,
Speaker 1: need pitching. They have MLB ready bats. Orioles have more
Speaker 1: of a prospect surplus that they can go to if
Speaker 1: the Guardians are more interested. Right, So the Baltimore Oriols
Speaker 1: and the Toronto Blue Jays first up on my list.
Speaker 1: Could the Houston Astros be interested? Right? Luis Garcia goes
Speaker 1: down Right now, they really only have Hunter Brown, Framber
Speaker 1: Valdez and Christianavier because McCullers it just continues to get
Speaker 1: piece to and they could really use a guy like
Speaker 1: Shane Bieber.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you have to operate under the assumption
Speaker 2: that mcculors is just not coming back this year really
Speaker 2: in any major capacity.
Speaker 1: And you could consider the Texas Rangers. I wouldn't be
Speaker 1: shocked about them either, and I would consider the Los
Speaker 1: Angeles Angels. So those five in the American League, I
Speaker 1: would say, are at the forefront. In the National League.
Speaker 1: I think you could put the Braves in there. Do
Speaker 1: I think they're gonna do it? No? Is it worth
Speaker 1: putting them in there. I think so. I think the
Speaker 1: Phillies could potentially be definitely involved here. The Mets just
Speaker 1: have Steve Cohen, so they're willing to part with assets
Speaker 1: because they want to compete. Now will they do it? Not?
Speaker 1: So sure? Should they be in the conversation? Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think so. Nobody really in the central comes out of me.
Speaker 1: I guess it's you could say the Brewers. I just
Speaker 1: don't really see them buying that like that.
Speaker 2: That would blow my mind, and then you could get anything.
Speaker 2: They might go the other way.
Speaker 1: Then you could say the Cardinals, right, and we're going
Speaker 1: to talk about them in a little bit, but they'll
Speaker 1: be in the I don't know if they're buying. I
Speaker 1: don't know if they're selling. We'll hold pat on them
Speaker 1: at least for this moment, because not only are we
Speaker 1: unsure if they're buying or selling, even if they were buying,
Speaker 1: we're not sure that they'd part with any assets, but
Speaker 1: they have such a perfect package that they could do it,
Speaker 1: so we might as well just mention them. The Dodgers
Speaker 1: have to be included in this discussion. The Diamondbacks should
Speaker 1: be included in this discussion. Yeah, Andre's maybe, like there's
Speaker 1: a lot of teams who would need Shane Bieber. So
Speaker 1: of those teams, which three shot out at you, and
Speaker 1: then we could compile a package for those three, and
Speaker 1: then of other teams can say, all right, that's what
Speaker 1: we need to do in order to get Shane Bieber.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think. I think you look at the West
Speaker 2: and the NLS specifically, we could have a good old
Speaker 2: fashioned bidding war between the Diamondbacks and the Dodgers and
Speaker 2: the Padres, and I think that that I don't I
Speaker 2: want to kind of survey more of the league, but
Speaker 2: when I look at it from this onnes, I could
Speaker 2: see all three teams being even more interested. Do you
Speaker 2: remember kind of with Scherzer and Trey Turner, but specifically
Speaker 2: with the whole Scherzer sweepstakes, how the Padres were in
Speaker 2: and the Dodgers kind of topped them at the eleventh hour,
Speaker 2: and it made it that much more painful for the
Speaker 2: Padres because not only did you not get Max Scherzer,
Speaker 2: you also lost him to your direct competitor. All three
Speaker 2: of those teams can really could really use as Shane Bieber.
Speaker 2: As we know, the Dodgers this is as thin pitching
Speaker 2: wise as they've been in some of the youngsters. Obviously,
Speaker 2: Bobby Miller looks great, but Kevin Stone doesn't look like
Speaker 2: he's quite ready. The Padres, you have the most aggressive
Speaker 2: general manager in Major League Baseball, and you know, they're
Speaker 2: they're not good right now, but they're they're still good
Speaker 2: enough to hang around and they're not going to mail
Speaker 2: it in, especially after sure what they gave up for Soto,
Speaker 2: and the system is kind of strengthened up a little bit.
Speaker 2: And then you know, we know the Diamondbacks that I
Speaker 2: think are almost a perfect trade partner as well, Like
Speaker 2: they can definitely put together a few different packages, and
Speaker 2: Bieber instantly makes that team a legitimate, legitimate playoff contender.
Speaker 2: You know, they go from regular season Warriors to Okay,
Speaker 2: you got Zach Gallan, Okay, you got Shane Bieber, Okay,
Speaker 2: you got Merril Kelly. I'm okay with that three headed
Speaker 2: monster in the postseason. So those three teams stand out
Speaker 2: the most to me. I don't know if there's anyone
Speaker 2: in the American League side that you know, really really
Speaker 2: catches your eye, but I got to look at the
Speaker 2: NLS just specifically.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I put my eggs in the American League
Speaker 1: East part. I just think that the Orioles and the
Speaker 1: Blue Jays are both in prime positions to make a
Speaker 1: deal like this. Right, you look at the Orioles and
Speaker 1: they have plenty of Major league bats. How about Anthony
Speaker 1: Sontander for one, Right, how about Austin Hayes. Like a
Speaker 1: lot of these guys where we have infield prospects coming up,
Speaker 1: Hyman Taale, guys like that. The Guardians would probably love
Speaker 1: horhem and Tale, even though he has been striking out
Speaker 1: a little bit more, but had him and ad Adam Fraser.
Speaker 1: Adam Fraser sounds such like a Guardian. But those type
Speaker 1: of players could potentially be included into a deal. And
Speaker 1: that's not to mention if the Guardians want to dip
Speaker 1: into the prospect bucket, they say, hey, we need to shortstop.
Speaker 1: We think Jordan Westburg is ready right now. We'd like
Speaker 1: Jordan Westburg as a headliner in the Shane Bieber deal.
Speaker 1: And then when we look at the Toronto Blue Jays,
Speaker 1: the problem is that the Blue Jays don't really have
Speaker 1: MLB ready bats that I think the Guardians would be
Speaker 1: that interested in, because like, you're not trading Springer, Vladdie
Speaker 1: or Bashett or Chapman or bar Show I do think.
Speaker 2: I mean the Blue Jays have been aggressive. There is
Speaker 2: one way where you can entice the Guardians, I think,
Speaker 2: and it's dangle your really high upside pitching prospects. If
Speaker 2: they dangled Brandon barryerare baring and Berera, left handed pitcher,
Speaker 2: first round pick up to ninety eight, he's been a
Speaker 2: little banged up this year, I wouldn't do it. I
Speaker 2: think that's really aggressive. But the Blue Jays are very
Speaker 2: locked in on winning now. Barrera is obviously very far off,
Speaker 2: and they have tetam In and those guys are pretty similar.
Speaker 2: I mean the Guardians, the way they develop pitching. You've
Speaker 2: got to be licking your chops. If you get an
Speaker 2: opportunity to add a pitcher like that to your system,
Speaker 2: because it's just an allocation of assets, then you can
Speaker 2: use all of the other pitching prospects. You have to
Speaker 2: go get a bat another time. That's how the Blue
Speaker 2: Jays would probably have to do it. They'd probably have
Speaker 2: to give up a higher quality prospect than anybody else,
Speaker 2: but they could do it. They've got enough of at
Speaker 2: least if you start with Burrera, you can put together
Speaker 2: a package with the Orioles. I'm looking at the outfield too,
Speaker 2: right because you look at the Guardian situation, I think
Speaker 2: they call up Ryan Rokio and I think he ends
Speaker 2: up being their guy up the middle with Andre Semenez.
Speaker 2: But there's several outfielders you mentioned Santan Dera. But if
Speaker 2: if the Guardians are looking more for control, I don't
Speaker 2: know if Kowser will be available, but they've got several
Speaker 2: other guys. Judd Fabian looks really good right now. They've
Speaker 2: got heston kers Dad, who's been fantastic. Heston kurs Dad
Speaker 2: would be a basically everything they need is hest Kurstad.
Speaker 2: He'd be their best power bat right now. So they
Speaker 2: could really put together something exciting there with Cursed Dad
Speaker 2: and then and to kind of conceptualize.
Speaker 1: It, curseed add wouldn't be a better power bat than
Speaker 1: like Jose Ribirez.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, obviously I'm looking at like everybody else like
Speaker 2: he could be. He could develop into, you know, I think,
Speaker 2: a better power bat than basically everybody else, which is
Speaker 2: which is pretty nuts to say.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: I think if you went Cursed Dad and two solid
Speaker 2: fill ins. Sezar Prieto has had a phenomenal year and
Speaker 2: one other solid prospect that could get you two years
Speaker 2: a year and a half of Shane Bieber, no problem,
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 1: But let's say the Guardians say we want to compete
Speaker 1: right now and we don't think that Curse Dad is
Speaker 1: going to be that difference banker. What if they say
Speaker 1: we need Cursed and Anthony Santan Derek.
Speaker 2: Who that's interesting, there's been swinging it better later.
Speaker 1: He's good. He's he's like one of those MLB ready
Speaker 1: bats that will help the Guardians immediately. And he's not
Speaker 1: like a huge shrike ut guy fits their model like
Speaker 1: he he'd be a good hitter in their lineup.
Speaker 2: A free agent after this year and next year.
Speaker 1: We can look that up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's look that up, because that if he's a
Speaker 2: free agent after this year, I'm in. He's a free
Speaker 2: agent after next year. That's a lot. It's a lot.
Speaker 1: But it's also Shane Bieber.
Speaker 2: It is Shane Bieber. But is it Shane Bieber?
Speaker 1: You're right, it's not deep. Maybe it is same Shane Bieber.
Speaker 2: He looks really good last start. He's leading the league
Speaker 2: in innings pitched. Right now, he's got three to nine.
Speaker 1: It's still gonna be the Shane Bieber that throws one
Speaker 1: hundred and ninety five to two hundred and five innings
Speaker 1: at a three four R. It's extremely valuable.
Speaker 2: I think he's gonna be valued at that. So yeah,
Speaker 2: I do think Santian Darren Kurstad is a fun deal.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I like that, and and they don't feel that at all. No,
Speaker 2: it sure sound time there swings it. You know, you
Speaker 2: gotta hope someone else steps up in the lineup. Okay,
Speaker 2: Gunnar Henderson stepping up right now, by the way, going
Speaker 2: nuclear nuclear, Yeah, I like that. I like that a
Speaker 2: lot for both teams.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's good for the Guardians. So now
Speaker 1: let's go to the National League West. I'm just kicking
Speaker 1: out the Padres because I don't even think that they
Speaker 1: trade wib ready bats right now for a show, and
Speaker 1: their system is absolutely drained. So I think we focus
Speaker 1: on the Dodgers and the Diamondbacks because those two teams
Speaker 1: are competing and both needs starting pitching. What do you
Speaker 1: think the Diamondbacks would have to give up? Because I
Speaker 1: think they could revolve a deal around a Alec Thomas,
Speaker 1: potentially a Jake McCarthy and then prospects. If you're looking
Speaker 1: at the Dodgers, maybe a Miguel Vargas could be included
Speaker 1: in a deal. Maybe a Michael Bush. Guys like that.
Speaker 1: Immediate help, immediate help to the Guardians offensively.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Bush basically instantly would would be able to plug
Speaker 2: into their lineup in some capacity. Uh, Vargas fits their
Speaker 2: mold really well.
Speaker 1: I think you have to give up Vargas.
Speaker 2: I think you would probably unless you want to give
Speaker 2: up just a prospect, you know, package, like a really
Speaker 2: good thing.
Speaker 1: But the Guardians want to do that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if operating under the assumption that the Guardians want
Speaker 2: big league help in this swap.
Speaker 1: I think we have to. If the Guardians were ten
Speaker 1: and a half back, but they're two and a half back,
Speaker 1: Yeah right, They're right there. And it's not like the
Speaker 1: Twins are playing good baseball either. The Twins lead this
Speaker 1: division at thirty four and thirty three. I know the Guardians,
Speaker 1: they got off to a slow start last year. They
Speaker 1: still see the division within their sights. I think if
Speaker 1: they're trading Shane Bieber, it is not for a rebuild.
Speaker 1: They're trading Shane Bieber just because they have so many pitchers,
Speaker 1: just McKenzie comes back and looks pretty good. I know
Speaker 1: he kind of struggled in his last Star, but he
Speaker 1: was excellent his first start. He's still fantastic. Yeah, Gavin
Speaker 1: Williams is gonna come up, Tanner, Biby, Logan all and
Speaker 1: we can continue. Right, So, I think we have to
Speaker 1: look at it from the lens of the Guardians want
Speaker 1: to compete. Now, if you want Shaitane Bieber, you have
Speaker 1: to give us young, controllable bats or a real MLB
Speaker 1: hitter right now that could potentially be a free agent
Speaker 1: next year or the year after, and a prospect like
Speaker 1: we did Santander and Heston Kerstad like. It would have
Speaker 1: to be Vargas and then probably another piece for Shane Bieber.
Speaker 1: And then for the Diamondbacks it's a tough one. Like
Speaker 1: tel Marte, No they sign him to that extension, that
Speaker 1: wouldn't be him. It probably wouldn't be a guy like
Speaker 1: Josh Rowell would have.
Speaker 2: It would have to be McCarthy and Tom Thomas. But
Speaker 2: both of those guys have struggled, so you'd have to
Speaker 2: attach a better prospect.
Speaker 1: McCarthy's been better better Yeah, well yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: Vargas, Like Vargas could almost get I think would almost
Speaker 2: be enough on his own, just because he's proven as
Speaker 2: a big, big batt and has so much control, and
Speaker 2: maybe you have to attach a prospect, a decent prospect there,
Speaker 2: But that would be a great, a great combination there,
Speaker 2: McCarthy or Thomas like there, getting another like Miles Straw
Speaker 2: right now, obviously way more offensive upside, but you got
Speaker 2: to attach a pretty good prospect in there too. Than
Speaker 2: I'm they can do it. They could, They could absolutely
Speaker 2: do it. They could. They could offer a handful of
Speaker 2: different exciting prospects. It's also wild like Geraldo Perdomo's playing
Speaker 2: out of his mind, So that's a guy that you
Speaker 2: know now you have in the fold while war is
Speaker 2: gonna be up. That's obviously an untouchable guy. But other
Speaker 2: than that, you know, they've got a handful of prospects.
Speaker 2: I think that they could attach to one of those
Speaker 2: big league or quadruple A right now in Alec Thomas,
Speaker 2: Jake McCarthy type guys and figure something out. So I
Speaker 2: think the Diamondbacks could put together kind of anything they're
Speaker 2: willing to put together too. But obviously the Dodgers can
Speaker 2: just outbid anybody, which is the hardest part.
Speaker 1: So who would be that last prospect as we wrap up,
Speaker 1: if you were to combine Jake McCarthy and who for
Speaker 1: Shane Bieber.
Speaker 2: Thinking about it from the lens of like, what would
Speaker 2: they want from the Arizona Diamondbacks. Obviously you're not trading
Speaker 2: Drew Jones, You're not trading You're not gonna trade loll Or.
Speaker 2: Then Davison Dela Santos is really intriguing, really intriguing talent.
Speaker 1: You're getting Shane Bieber.
Speaker 2: They'd have to attach Davison, Dela Santos and Jake McCarthy. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'd say Davison, Dela Santos, Jake McCarthy, and then another
Speaker 2: like aj Bukovich who's been swinging it really well. Dom Fletcher,
Speaker 2: who looks really good in the upper miners and in
Speaker 2: a little big league cameo, looks really solid.
Speaker 1: They probably want Fletcher. They probably want the guys who
Speaker 1: can compete.
Speaker 2: Now, Yeah, I'd say probably Fletcher, Dela Santos, and then
Speaker 2: one of those other outfitters.
Speaker 1: That's a hall, it's a hut. It's Shane Bieber, It's
Speaker 1: Shane Bieer. We're not we're not trading for Michael Loredzon
Speaker 1: over here. This is Shane fucking Bieber. You're gonna have
Speaker 1: to give up a lot.
Speaker 2: It's the ed.
Speaker 1: It's a starting pitcher, the most prized asset in Major
Speaker 1: League Baseball, and Shane Bieber is gonna throw you innings
Speaker 1: like he's a two hundred innings guy. Those are few
Speaker 1: and far between, right. I know this stuff has been declining.
Speaker 1: I know he's not the Shane Bieber that won the
Speaker 1: Cy Young in that shortened season, but he's still very good.
Speaker 1: And we have a question coming up where he's at
Speaker 1: the top of that list.
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, so we'll get into one more question then
Speaker 2: I got to tell you a little bit about so rare,
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Speaker 2: But we'll get one more question in before that. Real quick,
Speaker 2: you guys, preach how important command is in a picture?
Speaker 2: Can you go more in depth on the difference between
Speaker 2: command and control and give some examples of pictures who
Speaker 2: have good control and but poor command. That's from z
Speaker 2: Underscore strow fifteen on Instagram. This was a great question
Speaker 2: because this is something that I'm always diving into in
Speaker 2: the prospect world, and it's something that is hard to
Speaker 2: really be able to quantify. In the data you got
Speaker 2: to watch and and see. You can obviously pick up locations,
Speaker 2: but it also depends on where the catcher was set
Speaker 2: up in all those things. But before we get into
Speaker 2: specific examples, command and control, and I see this question
Speaker 2: brought up a lot, whether it's with a prospect or
Speaker 2: a big leguer. Control is just simply your ability to
Speaker 2: not walk guys. Simply your ability to throw it inside
Speaker 2: of that imaginary box that we see, you know on television.
Speaker 2: Don't walk guys, That's it. Command is how are you
Speaker 2: hitting your spots are when the situation calls for a
Speaker 2: fastball in are you running it back over the middle
Speaker 2: too often? Are you, you know, throwing a non competitive
Speaker 2: pitch every once in a while where it's like WHOA
Speaker 2: where did that come from? Really? Are you hitting your
Speaker 2: spots and are you sequencing well? And that's the biggest thing,
Speaker 2: and also usually I would say broader command is over
Speaker 2: multiple pitches. Control. You could see a guy that throws
Speaker 2: his fastball for a strike, doesn't really have a great
Speaker 2: feel for the other pitches, but doesn't walk a lot
Speaker 2: of guys because he can go back to the fastball.
Speaker 2: So I have some examples. I don't know if you
Speaker 2: had any examples off of your mind, Peter, but that's
Speaker 2: kind of the primer on command versus control.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no doubt about it. And the way I like
Speaker 1: to look at it is arms right. It's very hard
Speaker 1: to quantify this type of stuff, and you just gotta
Speaker 1: have to watch a lot of baseball. And the way
Speaker 1: I look at it, watch where the catcher is positioned,
Speaker 1: and watch if that pitcher is hitting the gloff right
Speaker 1: where the catcher wants to sit. Because there's a difference
Speaker 1: between throwing a slider in the middle of the zone
Speaker 1: and throwing a slider low and away for a strike.
Speaker 1: That is the difference between control and command. And a
Speaker 1: couple of guys who I think both have great control
Speaker 1: and great command is a guy like Shane Bieber, who
Speaker 1: I think throws as many strikes as possible, but you
Speaker 1: don't see the catcher ever move in his mitt. I
Speaker 1: think at the peak of his powers, Max Scherzer was
Speaker 1: a great example of a guy with elite control, with
Speaker 1: elite command of the strike zone. A guy I've noticed
Speaker 1: this year who normally has good command of the strike zone,
Speaker 1: and you can point to other factors. Right, his fastball
Speaker 1: velocity is a little bit down, the spin rates a
Speaker 1: little bit down, the shape is a little bit different,
Speaker 1: and that's why he's getting hit up a little bit.
Speaker 1: But when I watch Logan Gilbert starts, I feel that
Speaker 1: he still has control. He's not walking guys, but his
Speaker 1: command of the strike zone doesn't look as good as
Speaker 1: previous years. You look at a lot of the heat zones,
Speaker 1: it's kind of just red in the strike zone. Right.
Speaker 1: He likes to throw that up fastball, but it's been
Speaker 1: really middle this season. Right, His other off speed pitches
Speaker 1: they're kind of leaving middle. It's not bad, you're still
Speaker 1: throwing strikes, but you're not throwing those pitches as out pitches.
Speaker 1: You're throwing them right in the middle of the zone.
Speaker 1: And against big league hitters, anybody can hit that. That's
Speaker 1: what's led I think to his four point three to
Speaker 1: eight ERA this season. Now, that's just one example. It's
Speaker 1: not the full scope. It's not oh is command hasn't
Speaker 1: been good. That's why he's getting hit. There are other indicators.
Speaker 1: He's just the guy who I noticed who I'm used
Speaker 1: to put him, putting it wherever he wants, and he's
Speaker 1: still throwing strikes, but they're more in the middle of
Speaker 1: his zone, which is a lack of command.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you got it. I think that's a great example
Speaker 2: right there with Gilbert, a pretty fastball heavy guy. So
Speaker 2: you got to be commanding the fastball to set the
Speaker 2: tone for everything else. And my example would actually be
Speaker 2: a you a youngster who can get away with not
Speaker 2: having great fastball command. But I think it's a difference
Speaker 2: between him being more of a number two, number three
Speaker 2: versus number four, number five Bryce Miller. He was able
Speaker 2: to get away with it in the minor leagues because
Speaker 2: I've talked about that eighty fastball. Bryce Miller can go
Speaker 2: middle middle and get away with it. But as you
Speaker 2: mentioned Peter, in major league baseball, you don't get away
Speaker 2: with as much. That's what made it so remarkable with
Speaker 2: Miller is that he still was getting away with it.
Speaker 2: But that's a guy that you look at. The walk
Speaker 2: numbers are relatively low, but you'll see the home run
Speaker 2: numbers higher. It's a broad brush, but I would say
Speaker 2: you could typically put those guys in the control over
Speaker 2: command bucket. The guys that don't walk a lot of
Speaker 2: hitters but give up a lot of home runs. Those
Speaker 2: are usually the guys that you missed their spots within
Speaker 2: the zone a little bit. And that's exactly you know
Speaker 2: what Gilbert's spend this year, That's what Bryce Miller is
Speaker 2: And there's plenty of other examples. But that was a
Speaker 2: great question because I think a lot of people are
Speaker 2: always kind of wondering what the big difference is between
Speaker 2: the two, and.
Speaker 1: A good example of guys with no control and no
Speaker 1: command are guys like Jack Flaherty of the Saint Louis Cardinals,
Speaker 1: Blake Snell of the San Diego Padres, Josiah Gray of
Speaker 1: the Washington Nationals. And another example of a guy who
Speaker 1: I think might be the only player major League Baseball
Speaker 1: last season who had great command but not a lot
Speaker 1: of control, if that makes sense, was cal quatrill I
Speaker 1: always felt that cal Quadra was throwing that cutter right
Speaker 1: outside the zone. It wasn't a strike, but he was
Speaker 1: getting hitters to chase because it looked like a strike,
Speaker 1: looked like a strike that wasn't a strike, so he
Speaker 1: wasn't throwing a ton of strikes. His walk rate was
Speaker 1: a little bit higher if he didn't get those guys
Speaker 1: to kind of chase slightly outside the zone, but when
Speaker 1: they did, he allowed a lot of soft contact ended
Speaker 1: up getting that ground balled to get out of the inning.
Speaker 1: He was He's one of the first guys I've ever
Speaker 1: watched who doesn't have great control in terms of throwing
Speaker 1: somebody strikes. But he actually had very good command and
Speaker 1: there's so many ways to work around.
Speaker 2: It, which is the most like brain numbing twister like
Speaker 2: of all time. But I would agree with quantrills like
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Speaker 2: it's a Red Sox related question. Are the Red Sox
Speaker 2: salvageable or is it time to blow it up even more?
Speaker 2: This comes from d book Cards on Instagram. There's a
Speaker 2: reason why I put this question in here, Peter, I
Speaker 2: actually don't want to shit on the Red Sox. I
Speaker 2: actually want to highlight the pieces that are clearly a
Speaker 2: part of what they're building here, and then the pieces
Speaker 2: that they should move. It shouldn't blow it up. There's
Speaker 2: not much to blow up. The guys that are performing
Speaker 2: for you are guys you should keep, and the guys
Speaker 2: that you know I think I have been a little bit
Speaker 2: of a pleasant surprise. Maybe trade them. I think ultimately
Speaker 2: you should be if you're the Red Sox, if you're
Speaker 2: Heine Bloom trading the James Paxtons of the world, sell
Speaker 2: high on him. Pick up a prospect or two. You
Speaker 2: might get a sneaky good you know, return there. Because
Speaker 2: he really good.
Speaker 1: It's been dominant, he's.
Speaker 2: Been really good, and I will say heine Bloom. The
Speaker 2: one thing that he has done really well is identify prospects.
Speaker 2: He comes from that background, identify prospects and do well
Speaker 2: on those mid level deals. He did really well on
Speaker 2: the Christian Vasquez trade. I loved Emmanuel vale As and
Speaker 2: will you're bray you given that it was a rental
Speaker 2: for Christian Vasquez. I think that's what they should really do,
Speaker 2: and they should focus on next year. There's a team
Speaker 2: that could be good next year. Jaron Duran has turned
Speaker 2: into a legitimate piece. I assume they extend Verdugo, who
Speaker 2: is slumping, but his looks better this year. Ralphaeod Devers
Speaker 2: is about to go nuclear. Trevor Story will be back.
Speaker 2: I don't think he's as good as what they paid
Speaker 2: him to be, but he's better than what they've got
Speaker 2: out there. I can tell you that Yoshida is a
Speaker 2: monster with the bat like they've and their catching situation
Speaker 2: is way better than we thought it would be. They
Speaker 2: got to figure out the pitching, They got to find
Speaker 2: more arms, but I don't think they're that far off.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't strade any controllable pieces, but I would trim
Speaker 2: some of the fat and cash in on some of
Speaker 2: the rentals or the guys that aren't going to be
Speaker 2: a part of your team two three years from now.
Speaker 1: From a Yankee fan to a Red Sox fan, we're
Speaker 1: in a gauntlet of a division. This sucks, right, We're
Speaker 1: in the same boat Red Sox fans. The Yankee fans
Speaker 1: were in the same boat, Like, yeah, the Yankees have
Speaker 1: been a little bit better this season, but we're gonna
Speaker 1: be without Judge for an extended period of time. And
Speaker 1: the Blue Jays are just starting to heat up too,
Speaker 1: and the Orioles are just they win every day and
Speaker 1: it doesn't even matter. And then the Rays, it's it's
Speaker 1: headlines whenever they lose a game, like that's the reality
Speaker 1: the situation. And then you have a bunch of teams
Speaker 1: in the West also battling it out, so that classic, well,
Speaker 1: three teams from the American League East are gonna make
Speaker 1: it is not the case this year. It may end
Speaker 1: up happening, but it's not nearly as clear as it
Speaker 1: has been in previous seasons. So as a Yankee fan,
Speaker 1: I'm not very confident about us making the playoffs. And
Speaker 1: the Red Sox are objectively worse than the Yankees are.
Speaker 1: I think that's just a fact, right so, because the
Speaker 1: Yankees are gonna get healthier, and even so, the Red
Speaker 1: Sox are playing really bad baseball. So while the Yankees
Speaker 1: are losing games, the Red Sox are dropping games to
Speaker 1: the Rockies. But I'm not shitting on the Red Sox
Speaker 1: because to your point, they can do a lot here.
Speaker 1: Brian Bao is putting up a very good may and
Speaker 1: he looks to be a building block for the future
Speaker 1: in this rotation. Absolutely, Whitlock has struck, but you're not
Speaker 1: gonna trade him. He's twenty seven years old. He's gonna
Speaker 1: be a guy who you have in your rotation for
Speaker 1: a long time. Cutter Crawford, I think, is just a
Speaker 1: bullpen arm. I bet on him the other day two
Speaker 1: innings and I was like, holy shit, because his advance
Speaker 1: ever was really good. His x ero is really long,
Speaker 1: like damn, Like, yeah, he's had some tough starts, but no,
Speaker 1: he just falls apart in the third inning because that's
Speaker 1: what he is. He's a bullpen dome kind of what
Speaker 1: Tanner Hawk is. Like Tanner Hawk could eventually be if
Speaker 1: he adds a really good new third pitch and is
Speaker 1: able to get out one side of the plate, like potentially.
Speaker 2: He could be. He could have an e Flin track.
Speaker 1: He could have an e Flin track. I wouldn't be
Speaker 1: surprised at all. So those are your guys. You're moving
Speaker 1: Cutter Crawford to the bullpen, but BeO how Whitlock and
Speaker 1: then like, I don't know what you're gonna do with
Speaker 1: Chris Sale, but you have some solid guys in the bullpen.
Speaker 1: You could potentially trade off, but Verdugos Stan Yoshida's staying,
Speaker 1: Devers is staying Cossas is staying outside of that, you
Speaker 1: can trade some guys, but you can the great The
Speaker 1: Red Sox are in a spot where they can still
Speaker 1: be competitive. Yeah, while selling off because the top half
Speaker 1: of your team is still very good, especially on offense.
Speaker 1: That's why they rank eighth and ops as a team
Speaker 1: this season, and.
Speaker 2: That's their controllable core. Like though, those are their guys,
Speaker 2: So yeah, I agree. I think you focus on next year.
Speaker 2: You pick up some good prospects, you make some smaller moves,
Speaker 2: but you don't deplete the team so that nobody's gonna say, oh,
Speaker 2: they're burning it down. But you shouldn't be buying. You
Speaker 2: shouldn't be like, oh, let's try to put this thing
Speaker 2: together now. Chris Sales out for two months. That the
Speaker 2: only way that this team was finding any successes here
Speaker 2: is if Chris Sale played pitched out of his mind
Speaker 2: and he showed flashes. But obviously he's out for multiple
Speaker 2: months here, so they should just make the smaller moves.
Speaker 2: Trade a Paxton, trade a Bullpen, Armoor two. Maybe someone
Speaker 2: calls on Duval, Trade Duval and call it a day.
Speaker 2: Marcella Meyers getting closer. It's already in double there's other
Speaker 2: pieces that don Rafael. I still think it's gonna be
Speaker 2: a big leagu piece for them. They have a little
Speaker 2: bit more time to just see what they got there
Speaker 2: and then attack free agency, make a trade or two
Speaker 2: in the offseason for an arm and then really go
Speaker 2: full bore into next year.
Speaker 1: I think that's the They're kind of like the American
Speaker 1: League Giants right now. Right still in a good position,
Speaker 1: still have a good core to build around, but you
Speaker 1: can trade some of those veterans that aren't going to
Speaker 1: be a part of the future, recoup assets, be in
Speaker 1: a better position, then trade for the big fish. Once
Speaker 1: you sign some more free agents next season, and you'll
Speaker 1: be right back in the thick of it. The Red
Speaker 1: Sox have been through this before. They've had last place
Speaker 1: finishes that then turned into World Series appearances or wins
Speaker 1: the year after. They've done this before, and they could
Speaker 1: potentially do it again. I would not be surprised to
Speaker 1: see the Astros the Red Sox competing for a division
Speaker 1: title next year if they follow this plan, if they
Speaker 1: believe they are buyers, I think that could actually hurt
Speaker 1: them long term. Yeah, because if you trade big time
Speaker 1: prospects in order to get that piece. I don't think
Speaker 1: the Red Sox have the skeleton to compete with some
Speaker 1: of these great team teams.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I agree, and especially just the pitching. So
Speaker 2: I think they know that too, and and and they'll
Speaker 2: be a good team next year. I do believe that.
Speaker 2: I see it. I see it tracking that way. This
Speaker 2: one's a question for me, But number five is from
Speaker 2: Divas eighteen on Instagram. Who's the biggest boomer Bus prospect
Speaker 2: in the top one hundred right now. The reason why
Speaker 2: I threw this one in here is I wanted to
Speaker 2: talk about Emmanuel Rodriguez, and Emmanuel Rodriguez is by far
Speaker 2: maybe the biggest boomer Bus prospect I think I've ever seen.
Speaker 2: Uh This dude, twenty years old Minnesota Twins organization outfielder.
Speaker 2: His numbers look terrible on the surface, but he has
Speaker 2: insane potential. His dude has already hit a ball one
Speaker 2: hundred and seventeen miles per hour this year. He just
Speaker 2: turned twenty. I mean one hundred and seventeen. That's harder
Speaker 2: than Austin Riley. That's harder than some of the most
Speaker 2: impressive power bats in the game. He also is too patient,
Speaker 2: always talking about patient's first passiveness. He's passive chase rate
Speaker 2: of ten percent. So this guy's striking out more than
Speaker 2: he should. But I think it's literally because he's just
Speaker 2: taking too many strikes and then getting himself deep intoccounts
Speaker 2: and then you get a high a umpire that's gonna
Speaker 2: ring you up. There's some things he needs to tweak
Speaker 2: with his swing to get to where he needs to be,
Speaker 2: but there is nobody in the lower levels walking as
Speaker 2: much as he does while hitting balls one hundred and
Speaker 2: seventeen miles an hour at his age. Emmanuel Rodriguez of
Speaker 2: the Twins is my biggest boomer bus guy. And then
Speaker 2: I gotta go to Spencer Jones. I was really excited
Speaker 2: about him this year. I'm still very excited about him.
Speaker 2: I thought that the bust potential would be a little
Speaker 2: bit shorter, like I didn't think he'd be as volatile.
Speaker 2: He's striking out way too much in High A right now,
Speaker 2: but he's also hitting the crap out of the ball.
Speaker 2: He's running well, he looks pretty good in center. The
Speaker 2: approach has to improve. But Spencer Jones with the Yanks
Speaker 2: like as a six foot seven dude, insane swing, insane power.
Speaker 2: If it's if he hits like if his boom is
Speaker 2: top five prospects in baseball, his bust is he never
Speaker 2: hits en off. So those are the two guys, two
Speaker 2: outfielders that are my biggest boom robust guys in the
Speaker 2: top one hundred.
Speaker 1: Wins and Yankees guys who breed boomer bust guys. Apparently,
Speaker 1: I'm sure you could throw, sure you could throw Jason
Speaker 1: di Mingez into that, into that bucket too. Boom is
Speaker 1: a top five center fielder and Baseball Perennial All Star.
Speaker 1: Bust is the carcass of Gary Sanchez, who's now crushing
Speaker 1: it for the Padres, or the carcass of Aaron Hicks,
Speaker 1: who's also crushing it for the Baltimore Oriols. Great, good job, Yank.
Speaker 2: Good stuff. Next question is a really fun one. I
Speaker 2: got this actually through the through a personal message from
Speaker 2: my bud, my buddy Danny Rodriguez here, so at not
Speaker 2: d rod on Twitter. He said this was a big
Speaker 2: debate with the boys in his group chat, so they
Speaker 2: wanted our thoughts on this. Would you rather have nine
Speaker 2: Kyle Schwarber's in your lineup or nine Louisa Rises. So
Speaker 2: the context here Schwarber's been iffy this year. Rise is
Speaker 2: playing at the top of his game, so we're taking
Speaker 2: the peak Schwarber, so when he was clicking on cylinders
Speaker 2: last year, pretty much what he did last year, versus
Speaker 2: what a Rise is doing right now, which means they're
Speaker 2: gonna get a pretty similar WRC plus, but in the
Speaker 2: most opposite ways humanly possible. We're also discarding defense. It's
Speaker 2: just in your lineup, who do you want a peak
Speaker 2: Schwarber or this peak Arias right now, nine of them?
Speaker 2: Which do you want?
Speaker 1: Peter surprises is even a debate. To be completely honest
Speaker 1: with you, I would take nine Luisa Riaz's over, like
Speaker 1: a lot of players in Major League Baseball, no disrespect
Speaker 1: to Kyle Schwarber, because I have a guy who can
Speaker 1: play multiple positions. I have a guy who imagine Luisa
Speaker 1: ria Is followed by Luis A. Rias. Louis rise is
Speaker 1: getting Luise Rias over, and then Luisa rise Is getting
Speaker 1: that base hit to score. Luisa Rias Gosharber could shake
Speaker 1: out three times at the same inning, right if he
Speaker 1: leads off the game with the strikeout and then a
Speaker 1: walk and then maybe a home run, Like you maybe
Speaker 1: have two runs, but there aren't gonna be many outs
Speaker 1: in the Luisa Rias team. And then when you factor
Speaker 1: in defense too, I don't know how good they are
Speaker 1: on the mount. That might have to be you know,
Speaker 1: some sort of the debate.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, we're going we're just just the bat, just.
Speaker 1: My taking the guy who's almost hitting four hundred, or
Speaker 1: am I taking the guy who has forty home runs
Speaker 1: but at the same time is gonna hit two ten right.
Speaker 1: I know the WRC plus is in peak, Schwarberg gonna
Speaker 1: be fine. But if I'm building a baseball team, there's
Speaker 1: no question I'm going with nine Luis Rises.
Speaker 2: So here here's the interesting thing. Luisa Riaz also is
Speaker 2: going to be near the top in baseball and grounded
Speaker 2: in double plays. So you're going to have that single
Speaker 2: and then the double play, and now you got nobody
Speaker 2: on and two outs. Pretty quickly, Schwarber may strikeout, strike out,
Speaker 2: then the third batter goes deep, the third Schwarberg goes deep,
Speaker 2: and now you got to run. I'm with you. I,
Speaker 2: of course, being the Marlins guy, I'm going to lean Arias.
Speaker 2: But there's an interesting angle of Schwarber walks. He's gonna
Speaker 2: get on base at a similar ish clip, and you
Speaker 2: can get that home run, but.
Speaker 1: Not similar ish like. If we're taking both primes. Schwarber's
Speaker 1: not putting up a four hundred OVP. Has he ever
Speaker 1: had a season where he put up near what Luisa
Speaker 1: Rise is doing right now? And if we factor in
Speaker 1: defense at all, even though defense that's what I preface with,
Speaker 1: Oh no defense, okay, no defense at.
Speaker 2: All, just the bat, I would say I gotta take.
Speaker 1: Luis Rise, because it's not like like Luisa Rise can
Speaker 1: hit a home run. He's not gonna hit zero home
Speaker 1: runs this year right one. He might hit six or
Speaker 1: seven this year. Like I have to take that.
Speaker 2: Schwarber's twenty twenty one three seventy four on base, thirty
Speaker 2: two homers, and then twenty twenty two on base was
Speaker 2: terrible three twenty three, but he had forty six homers.
Speaker 2: For the sake of argument, I'll go with the twenty
Speaker 2: twenty one season one forty five WRC plus. Do you
Speaker 2: have a rise is WRC plus up in front of
Speaker 2: you right now?
Speaker 1: No, but I can get it in about forty seconds
Speaker 1: or less than that forty seconds. I way over value
Speaker 1: that would have.
Speaker 2: Been a really slow type.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Luis a. Riaz's WRC plus in twenty twenty three
Speaker 1: is one forty eight right now, but it's followed by
Speaker 1: a one thirty one last year, like Shover goes through
Speaker 1: these ups and downs. So it's also not totally fair
Speaker 1: to that argument we just take the prime year, because
Speaker 1: if we're just taking the prime year, like no doubt
Speaker 1: I'm taking this, Luis Aria is hitting three eighty two,
Speaker 1: striking up five percent of the time with a one
Speaker 1: forty eight WRC plus. Yeah, I'll add no defense, but
Speaker 1: of course I'm taking that.
Speaker 2: It's interesting because do you know that there's a facet
Speaker 2: of people out there that would absolutely, oh yeah, analytically driven.
Speaker 2: And that's not to bash analytics at all, like, but
Speaker 2: there's there's a lot of people out there that not
Speaker 2: a lot, I think there's just their louder that try
Speaker 2: to invalidate what Louise Arias is doing. And you know
Speaker 2: say that a bunch of singles is not nearly as
Speaker 2: valuable as plenty of homers. And I think WRC plus
Speaker 2: will will show that there's a lot of different ways
Speaker 2: to kind of slice the apple to create runs. Yeah,
Speaker 2: there's a lot of different ways to create runs, but
Speaker 2: over the course of an entire season, I'm with you.
Speaker 2: I will take the consistency. I will also take the
Speaker 2: guy that's going to really make pictures grind and no,
Speaker 2: Schwarber's patient and makes pictures grind from that regard, but
Speaker 2: they also has a lot of three four pitch punchies.
Speaker 2: A Rise is never gonna do that. He's going to
Speaker 2: grind it out. There's gonna be times where maybe he
Speaker 2: jumps on an early pitch and grounds out is what
Speaker 2: it is. But he's always putting the ball in play,
Speaker 2: and with shift limitations, a Riaz gets the nod. If
Speaker 2: there was no shift limitation, I think Schwarber has a
Speaker 2: stronger case. But I just think it's too it's too
Speaker 2: easy for Louis a Riaz to just pick up a
Speaker 2: hit every single day for some reason.
Speaker 1: For some reason, we think Luise Rise or maybe when
Speaker 1: I say we, I mean me. I think Louise Rise
Speaker 1: is thirty twenty six, you know, like Schwarber's kind of
Speaker 1: not been through his prime and he's passed his prime,
Speaker 1: because I still think he's he he's swinging in and
Speaker 1: I still think he's at least in the back half
Speaker 1: of his prime, as Luisa Ria is entering his prime.
Speaker 1: So last year with the shift, the dude led the
Speaker 1: league in batting average and at a one thirty one
Speaker 1: WRC plus will walking more than he struck out right,
Speaker 1: and he hit eight home runs. This year, he could
Speaker 1: hit six to eight home runs while hitting three sixty,
Speaker 1: striking up five percent of the time, and putting up
Speaker 1: a one to fifty WRS plus. That's just if we
Speaker 1: just look at WRS plus creating runs park adjusted Luisa rise.
Speaker 1: What he's doing right now, getting into his prime, is
Speaker 1: better than what Chober's ever done.
Speaker 2: I agree. And the thing too is in what I
Speaker 2: said when the Marlins got a Rise, and I wrote
Speaker 2: this in the piece too, is people are like, Oh,
Speaker 2: he's going into you know, not loan Depot or lone
Speaker 2: Depot park.
Speaker 1: It's gonna help him.
Speaker 2: That's what I That was my argument. People are like, Oh,
Speaker 2: he's going there. Now, he's gonna have no home runs. Great,
Speaker 2: he's gonna have a way more doubles, way more singles
Speaker 2: because he has enough power to beat you over the
Speaker 2: head just enough, but so you got to play straight up.
Speaker 2: But he just drops so many little flarees left right, whatever.
Speaker 2: He has so much room to work with out there,
Speaker 2: and I really think that that's what's worked in his favor.
Speaker 2: I'm with you, I'm with the nine Louise Rises. But
Speaker 2: I do know that there's I want to see, Like
Speaker 2: those who are out there, if you're in their YouTube
Speaker 2: comments or whatever or on Twitter, tweet at us make
Speaker 2: your Kyle Schwarber argument, because I agree. I think it's
Speaker 2: pretty pretty easily arise given what he's doing. But I
Speaker 2: would love to hear the prime Schwarber argument and maybe
Speaker 2: I'm sure that there's some some good reasoning behind it too.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be like Philly Cheese Eggs zero six nine
Speaker 1: saying we're idiots and that Kyle Schwarber would clear Luise
Speaker 1: Rise and I cannot wait to interact.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Hertz fan two four five, Yeah, Yeah, it's gonna
Speaker 2: be something like that.
Speaker 1: But yeah, Eagles twenty twenty four sil champs. There they
Speaker 1: are scary.
Speaker 2: The last question, and we had to finish with this
Speaker 2: one right now that we are in June and the
Speaker 2: Cardinals hold one of the worst records in MLB, well
Speaker 2: teams call about the availability of Paul gold Schmid and
Speaker 2: should the Cardinals look to sell at the deadline or
Speaker 2: retool to gear up for twenty twenty four. That comes
Speaker 2: from Emmett. I hope I say this right McMenemy on Instagram. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's Emmett McMenamy on Instagram. Okay, I at first shot
Speaker 2: this question down because I was like, no, shot they
Speaker 2: trade Goldie And you said to me more than one,
Speaker 2: don't we talk about it? Which is always the best
Speaker 2: rebuttal for you know, two podcast planning. Yeah, two guys
Speaker 2: that are planning on, you know, scoping out the podcast
Speaker 2: what they want to talk about. So great rebuttal and
Speaker 2: here we are. I think that Cardinals fans are understandably
Speaker 2: losing their goddamn minds.
Speaker 1: As they shot because it's horrible right now, and I
Speaker 1: understand it's horrible.
Speaker 2: I think that they should potentially fire Ali mar Maal.
Speaker 2: I think that they should consider a lot of things.
Speaker 2: The one thing they shouldn't consider is trading either of
Speaker 2: the future Hall of famers on either corner. I know
Speaker 2: Goldschman maybe has a little bit more work to do.
Speaker 2: That's not the same. That's not the point here, though.
Speaker 2: Those two guys, even though they're aging, are still playing
Speaker 2: really and Aeronado is already really heating up Goldie is
Speaker 2: Goldie are Do you think the Cardinals can be good
Speaker 2: next year?
Speaker 1: Peter, of course, of course.
Speaker 2: So then why the hell would you trade Paul Goldchman.
Speaker 2: Even if you get a return, it's not gonna be
Speaker 2: a life changing return because he only is one year
Speaker 2: control after this and it's for twenty six million dollars,
Speaker 2: which is a great deal for him. But at the
Speaker 2: end of the day, you're not gonna get a haul
Speaker 2: of all halls. It's gonna be a good haul, but
Speaker 2: it's not gonna be Twan Soto, So why would you
Speaker 2: do that. You're gonna retool and get back to next year.
Speaker 2: So first of all, no, you're not training Paul Goldman.
Speaker 2: Second of all, we can answer the rest of the question,
Speaker 2: Peter if you have anything else to add, But like,
Speaker 2: they should make trades, they should do stuff. We'll talk
Speaker 2: about that to wrap this up, But not trading Paul Goldgman.
Speaker 1: Right, a quick story and it's about a different team.
Speaker 1: So I'm listening to David Cohene on WFN with with
Speaker 1: Michael ka. I don't know if it's Wfan, it's Michael
Speaker 1: k Show. And he was asked, are you surprised that
Speaker 1: Steve Cohen, the owner of the New York Mets, has
Speaker 1: not fired Billy Eppler or filed fired Buck Showalter. And
Speaker 1: David Cohn gave a really good answer, and he said,
Speaker 1: Steve Cohen knows about random variants that all he can
Speaker 1: do is push his chips in the middle and let
Speaker 1: the poker hand play. Right. He knows that in one
Speaker 1: hand you could get two aces, in the other hand,
Speaker 1: you could get a seven and a two, but that
Speaker 1: there's random variants. He knows that he put a good
Speaker 1: team on the table and that there's going to be
Speaker 1: really bad bad step. Sometimes you lose the pocket aces,
Speaker 1: and that's what I feel like the Cardinals are doing
Speaker 1: right now. They're losing with two kings against teams that
Speaker 1: have pocket aces. They still have a very good team.
Speaker 1: And the reason also about the Steve Cohen thing is
Speaker 1: that David Cone said, Steve Cohen knows about markets that
Speaker 1: they go up and they go down. It's kind of
Speaker 1: the same thing in gambling. This could end up biting
Speaker 1: me in the ass. We're recording on Wednesday, June fourteenth.
Speaker 1: I bet on the Cardinals today against the San Francisco Giants.
Speaker 1: Anthony Descafani for Sean Montgomery. I think the betting market
Speaker 1: is now starting to fall on the Saint Louis Cardinals.
Speaker 1: As you hear them freaking out, you know, it's rock bottom.
Speaker 1: I even saw that bench clearing kind of incident, even
Speaker 1: though it's bench clearing like way now.
Speaker 2: We're so desperate for fights that we call everything bench exactly.
Speaker 1: When everyone stands up. So the Cardinals stood up out
Speaker 1: of the dugout and it created this little fuss, and
Speaker 1: it does feel like rock bottom. Now is the point where,
Speaker 1: at least as a betting man, I'm going to start
Speaker 1: to buy in on the Cardinals right because I think
Speaker 1: this is rock bottom. Twenty seven and forty one as
Speaker 1: we sit here today is rock bottom. Luckily, the Pirates
Speaker 1: lead the division a couple of games over five hundred.
Speaker 1: You're not truly out of it. We talk about with
Speaker 1: the Guardians threaty one and thirty five and two and
Speaker 1: a half games out. You are lucky that you're in
Speaker 1: a division where you could compete. Cardinals fans take a
Speaker 1: good hard look at your roster, and I know it's
Speaker 1: been terrible, and I know guys have not been performing
Speaker 1: up to expectations, but are you shitting me? It's still
Speaker 1: one of the better rosters in all of Major League Baseball.
Speaker 1: The problem is starting pitching. If you are able to
Speaker 1: trade a Tyler O'Neal, who you could totally do in
Speaker 1: exchange for a Shane Bieber, and then you're right back
Speaker 1: into it. Go do that same kind of Cantana deal,
Speaker 1: Go do that same kind of Montgomery deal.
Speaker 2: You have all the.
Speaker 1: Pieces to do it, So no, should they blow it up?
Speaker 1: Absolutely not. But the reason I wanted to talk to
Speaker 1: you about the Goldie thing is I don't think it's
Speaker 1: insanity because and only if they go on more historic
Speaker 1: losing streets, like if we're saying, oh yeah, this is
Speaker 1: rock bottom. They lose ten in a row, they go
Speaker 1: five and fifteen over their next twenty games, and they're
Speaker 1: like way way in the cellar and some And you
Speaker 1: get on the phone with a contender that says we
Speaker 1: are going to give you the freaking world for Paul Goldschmidt,
Speaker 1: then it's like, all right, he is getting towards the
Speaker 1: end of his career, even though he is playing great.
Speaker 1: You need to blow us out of the water. A
Speaker 1: team says we will blow it you out of the water,
Speaker 1: and then some I could understand listening. We say that
Speaker 1: all the time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean you gotta listen.
Speaker 1: I think of the right deal, anyone on planet Earth
Speaker 1: is available, but it has to be the right deal.
Speaker 1: But to answer the question will they trade Paul gold Schmidt,
Speaker 1: I would say ninety nine point nine to nine percent
Speaker 1: chance they don't. But there always is that zero point
Speaker 1: zero one and we see it in baseball all the time.
Speaker 1: So that would be my answer.
Speaker 2: I think the only move I wouldn't do anything that
Speaker 2: puts the Chips forward any further on this season. I
Speaker 2: would ride it out. The only move I would make
Speaker 2: would be a Tyler oneil because you know he's not
Speaker 2: a part of your long term future. He's only under control.
Speaker 2: I think one more year after this year.
Speaker 1: Ali Marble hates them and you ad Alli mar right.
Speaker 2: John mosey Lock, Yeah, that's the only thing. I might
Speaker 2: fire him. But you look at next year. No matter
Speaker 2: how bad this season goes, If it's one of those
Speaker 2: situations where they can't climb all the way out of
Speaker 2: the hole that they dug themselves, fine, it's a fresh
Speaker 2: start next year and it's a new hand to continue
Speaker 2: that that metaphor. I still feel good about the Saint
Speaker 2: Louis Cardinals. There's still probably the favorite to win the division,
Speaker 2: and they're gonna sign somebody on the mound. They're gonna
Speaker 2: do something, so I I and again you're gonna get
Speaker 2: You're gonna have Mason win that's gonna be close to
Speaker 2: big league ready. You have other pieces that are gonna
Speaker 2: be potentially big league ready, and Jordan Walker hopefully takes
Speaker 2: a step forward and continues to get better and better,
Speaker 2: which he's looks better as of late. So I wouldn't
Speaker 2: do much. I would maybe make that small Tyler O'Neill
Speaker 2: for a decent arm move to try to bolster it
Speaker 2: a little bit this year and see what happens. But
Speaker 2: this team can be great next year, and I don't
Speaker 2: think we'd blink. I think this has been a really
Speaker 2: unfortunate year for a lot of reasons. A lot of
Speaker 2: things have gone wrong that we weren't sure about totally
Speaker 2: why we're not there. But there's been a new catcher
Speaker 2: that disrupts things. No, yeah, I do think that that's
Speaker 2: a big factor. Cantres is playing the worst baseball he's
Speaker 2: played in his life. I think he's going to be better,
Speaker 2: I really do. I think they've really fucked with his head.
Speaker 2: So I don't think that the Cardinals should really do
Speaker 2: much at all. Do that one small move, maybe move
Speaker 2: Taler O'Neal and call it a day and see what happens.
Speaker 2: You're lucky, You're as you said, Peter, this is the
Speaker 2: weakest division. It is a joke, and they could find
Speaker 2: a way out of it. If not, the division is
Speaker 2: not going to be that great next year either it'll
Speaker 2: be a little better. Some of these teams will be better,
Speaker 2: but the Brewers may be weaker. I'm still not fearing
Speaker 2: the Pirates yet, not fearing some of these other teams,
Speaker 2: not even the Cubs. So they'll be fine for next year.
Speaker 2: But don't do anything crazy. I think the Cardinals have
Speaker 2: already learned the hard way of being reactionary.
Speaker 1: Things would have to go horribly wrong, way more horrible
Speaker 1: than they've already been. And I'm just going to bring
Speaker 1: it back to a card symbol for a second again.
Speaker 1: The Cardinals are playing blackjack right now, and they keep
Speaker 1: getting served eighteen. Right, They keep getting a ten and
Speaker 1: a eight, and the dealer keeps pulling up a king
Speaker 1: and an ace. They just keep getting twenty one to death. Right.
Speaker 1: You don't blow it up when you're getting in eighteen
Speaker 1: every time, right, still a good hand. But they're just
Speaker 1: getting crushed. That's what I feel like the Cardinals are.
Speaker 1: They just keep getting in poker. You got pocket kings,
Speaker 1: the other guy's pocket aces. You're at the blackjack table,
Speaker 1: you got eighteen, dealers got twenty one. And it sucks.
Speaker 1: That is the worst place to be in because it's
Speaker 1: like no one go Paul gold Schmidt, Brendan Donovan, w
Speaker 1: Edmund Jordan Wall like so many good players.
Speaker 2: On this team added contrast to it. We were nervous
Speaker 2: about them being the runaway favorite to win the division.
Speaker 2: But nobody was saying this team would be bad. Nobody
Speaker 2: was saying this team would would be anything but good.
Speaker 2: We thought to be good, maybe not great because of
Speaker 2: the pitching, but good. So I'm with you. I mean,
Speaker 2: I don't think they would have to legitimately lose one
Speaker 2: hundred games for me feel like they don't have a
Speaker 2: shot next year with this core. That's the only one.
Speaker 1: How did bet MGM know put them at minus one
Speaker 1: ten to open the series? Now, how did they know?
Speaker 2: I always know, they always know. The only way I
Speaker 2: am out on the Cardinals for next year is if
Speaker 2: they lose one hundred games. That's really it. That's the
Speaker 2: only one. It's the only way that I can't fathom
Speaker 2: this team.
Speaker 1: So if they lose ninety nine, you're in no I
Speaker 1: talk to me, then talk to me.
Speaker 2: Then I'm just going to be real close. It'll be
Speaker 2: real close. I think ninety five plus will probably be
Speaker 2: what it is. Anything else. Before we wrap up I.
Speaker 1: Think that'll do it for this episode of the Just
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