WEBVTT - Glee Co-creator Ian Brennan Part 1 0:00:01.720 --> 0:00:04.440 And That's what you Really missed with Jenna. 0:00:04.440 --> 0:00:07.080 And Kevin An iHeartRadio podcast. 0:00:08.960 --> 0:00:12.720 Welcome to and That's what You Really miss podcast. Do 0:00:12.800 --> 0:00:20.599 we have the Founder, the Pioneer, Ian Brennan. 0:00:20.440 --> 0:00:23.440 One of the Holy Trinity. We have Ian back because 0:00:23.720 --> 0:00:28.120 the recap is coming to an end, and we found 0:00:28.160 --> 0:00:32.279 out Ian has some strong feelings about season six and 0:00:32.360 --> 0:00:36.960 some missing memories and some missing memories, which a common 0:00:36.960 --> 0:00:40.959 theme here on That's what you Really missed? And I 0:00:41.000 --> 0:00:44.199 think I'm very excited for you all to hear what 0:00:44.240 --> 0:00:47.080 he has to say about so much. We talk about 0:00:47.360 --> 0:00:52.920 a lot, a lot, so buckle up. This is Ian Brennan. 0:00:55.080 --> 0:00:56.280 Oh my god, in a suit. 0:00:57.120 --> 0:01:00.400 I'm dressed like an off duty birthday clown. 0:01:02.600 --> 0:01:06.640 I beg to say that for us, this is how normally. 0:01:07.480 --> 0:01:10.039 No, No, it's not. Yeah, it's off Yeah, it's not that 0:01:10.160 --> 0:01:10.800 off brand. 0:01:12.120 --> 0:01:13.119 I'm not saying the clown. 0:01:13.200 --> 0:01:13.800 You said that. 0:01:13.959 --> 0:01:17.240 I think you dress very dashing style. 0:01:18.200 --> 0:01:19.399 I've looked better at guys. 0:01:19.640 --> 0:01:23.959 I I exercised before coming here, so I'm good for years. 0:01:24.280 --> 0:01:26.760 I've got some flyaways. 0:01:28.240 --> 0:01:29.680 It's kind of blazer on. 0:01:29.720 --> 0:01:31.720 Aren't you warm after you work out and you put 0:01:31.760 --> 0:01:33.120 a warm blazer around like that. 0:01:33.400 --> 0:01:34.959 Gotta keep gotta recovery. 0:01:35.560 --> 0:01:39.720 You gotta work in the muscle muscle confusion, extream muscle recovery. 0:01:39.760 --> 0:01:43.040 Your muscles are like suits on. Now let's clean it up, boys. 0:01:43.600 --> 0:01:46.160 Guys, we've gone from the gym. 0:01:46.240 --> 0:01:47.240 Now hit the boardroom. 0:01:47.720 --> 0:01:49.920 I know this is not why we asked you to 0:01:49.920 --> 0:01:53.160 be on here. I feel like you've always had such 0:01:54.040 --> 0:01:58.040 a distinct sense of style. You have great sensibilities when 0:01:58.040 --> 0:02:01.760 it comes to these things. Well, thank you, and like, 0:02:01.880 --> 0:02:03.080 what have you always had that? 0:02:04.640 --> 0:02:06.440 I know it's when I stopped wearing jeans. 0:02:06.680 --> 0:02:07.600 Have been talking about this. 0:02:08.320 --> 0:02:11.280 Yeah, I don't think I ever met you were wearing 0:02:11.320 --> 0:02:12.320 jeans when we met you. 0:02:13.800 --> 0:02:15.799 Sort of around nine to eleven, but there was no read. 0:02:15.840 --> 0:02:17.760 That's right, that's right, Yeah, that's right. 0:02:18.000 --> 0:02:20.520 But yeah, I can't do it. I can't wear jeans. 0:02:21.760 --> 0:02:25.560 So is this the last how far through are you? 0:02:25.639 --> 0:02:26.960 Are you? Is it the last one? 0:02:27.480 --> 0:02:30.360 We are at? We're in the last season. Half we 0:02:30.360 --> 0:02:31.120 did the last season? 0:02:31.560 --> 0:02:32.960 Great, Yeah, so we're in. 0:02:33.000 --> 0:02:33.960 Then we're in the end. 0:02:33.960 --> 0:02:34.800 We're in season six. 0:02:34.840 --> 0:02:36.480 But I need to take it back because I think 0:02:36.480 --> 0:02:38.400 we need to take it back to like season five. 0:02:40.560 --> 0:02:43.160 I think it's important to like talk about what you 0:02:43.240 --> 0:02:49.480 remember and what it was like, like post Cory going 0:02:49.480 --> 0:02:52.080 into season six obviously from like the spin off of 0:02:52.120 --> 0:02:55.160 New York going into season six with the newbies, like 0:02:55.320 --> 0:02:56.280 how did you get there? 0:02:56.680 --> 0:02:57.800 And what was that like? 0:02:59.160 --> 0:03:00.200 It was terrible. 0:03:00.760 --> 0:03:03.680 It was awful and I don't think it worked, and 0:03:03.760 --> 0:03:06.240 it was like it was really hard. I think it 0:03:06.280 --> 0:03:08.880 was so hard that I sort of like blocked it out. 0:03:08.960 --> 0:03:11.720 I'm not a big person for like blocked out memories, 0:03:11.800 --> 0:03:12.840 but like I just kind. 0:03:12.680 --> 0:03:16.280 Of blocked that out, Like I totally blocked about it out. 0:03:16.280 --> 0:03:19.240 It was just really really, really hard. It was like 0:03:20.240 --> 0:03:23.400 I think we thought originally that it was I mean, look, 0:03:24.680 --> 0:03:27.120 it's my own credit. We had to do something, and 0:03:27.160 --> 0:03:30.600 we had to once we probably talked about this, but 0:03:30.639 --> 0:03:33.079 like early on in the show, I would have preferred, 0:03:33.080 --> 0:03:35.920 probably wrongly, to not acknowledge time at all. 0:03:36.040 --> 0:03:39.480 Right, right, Simpsons, it would sort of reset, right, Yeah. 0:03:39.680 --> 0:03:41.560 Second was sort of like you second you have Rachel 0:03:41.560 --> 0:03:43.840 Berry be like I'm a sophomore, and then you're like, 0:03:43.920 --> 0:03:47.320 it's prom You're like locked into the earrow of time. 0:03:47.520 --> 0:03:49.840 Since see we had you on that all of a 0:03:49.880 --> 0:03:53.000 sudden was it was never mentioned and then all of 0:03:53.040 --> 0:03:58.120 a sudden, we started like very specifically referencing time in 0:03:58.160 --> 0:04:01.080 such an odd way because it got stretched out over 0:04:01.080 --> 0:04:02.160 like a season and a half. 0:04:02.680 --> 0:04:06.840 Yeah, graduation school, it was you. 0:04:06.960 --> 0:04:09.440 It's like he would have just been like, you could 0:04:09.480 --> 0:04:10.280 have just made it. 0:04:10.440 --> 0:04:13.160 We just didn't have to be that that final point 0:04:13.880 --> 0:04:16.200 on it, I thought, And then we just sort of did, 0:04:16.279 --> 0:04:17.240 and it made sense. 0:04:17.279 --> 0:04:18.080 You don't want you. 0:04:18.279 --> 0:04:22.360 We didn't want to watch you all turn thirty, although 0:04:22.400 --> 0:04:24.920 but also who cares, you know, like it wouldn't I 0:04:24.960 --> 0:04:26.520 don't think it would have mattered, but it sort of. 0:04:26.480 --> 0:04:28.120 Like locked us into that. 0:04:28.800 --> 0:04:33.280 So then Corey Diyes, the whole show artistically that we 0:04:33.279 --> 0:04:38.000 were setting up was in which he would sort of 0:04:38.080 --> 0:04:41.040 come in and become mister Shoe. 0:04:42.000 --> 0:04:44.279 That was sort of like, well, okay. 0:04:45.560 --> 0:04:50.120 And then it was we Then then it was sort 0:04:50.120 --> 0:04:51.760 of like, all right, we have to sort of like 0:04:52.880 --> 0:04:54.880 we don't want to lose these characters who are now 0:04:54.920 --> 0:04:58.159 like aging out of the high school, bring in a 0:04:58.200 --> 0:05:00.880 new cast. And it was just like that's just tough. 0:05:01.320 --> 0:05:04.240 It's just yeah, it's a show about this. I think 0:05:05.360 --> 0:05:06.880 this show is always going to be a show about 0:05:06.880 --> 0:05:07.480 a high school. 0:05:07.760 --> 0:05:07.960 Yeah. 0:05:08.360 --> 0:05:09.760 Second, it's not about a high school. 0:05:09.760 --> 0:05:13.400 It just gets weird, right, Oh, it's a little bit 0:05:13.480 --> 0:05:15.880 like when did he cut her hair? 0:05:16.760 --> 0:05:19.560 Right that they're like, oh my god, why do we 0:05:19.600 --> 0:05:20.280 ever cot her hair? 0:05:20.520 --> 0:05:21.480 Like, Oh, I guess it is. 0:05:21.560 --> 0:05:23.800 That show's just about like a teenage girl with like blonde, 0:05:23.800 --> 0:05:25.920 curly hair. The second you're like messed with the DNA 0:05:26.000 --> 0:05:27.960 that suddenly it's like, well now she's short curly hair. 0:05:28.080 --> 0:05:29.279 People are like, what. 0:05:31.120 --> 0:05:33.800 Show I'm not watching anymore? 0:05:33.920 --> 0:05:36.760 So, which is the show didn't work at all? People 0:05:36.800 --> 0:05:39.720 still like loved our show. It would just ave us 0:05:39.720 --> 0:05:42.000 harder to I I had trouble with wrapping my head 0:05:42.000 --> 0:05:42.480 around it. 0:05:43.080 --> 0:05:46.440 Yeah, did you think that like at the end, did 0:05:46.520 --> 0:05:50.279 you have an endgame for Finn in the show? Like 0:05:50.360 --> 0:05:51.960 did you think it would just kind of go on 0:05:52.040 --> 0:05:55.200 in this way where like Corey would just pop into 0:05:55.720 --> 0:05:58.960 the mister Shoes, you know shoes, and then like it 0:05:59.000 --> 0:06:01.760 would live on that way and then when Corey died, 0:06:01.800 --> 0:06:04.160 like that whole plan went down the pooper or was it? 0:06:04.200 --> 0:06:05.400 Like, yeah, was it? 0:06:05.480 --> 0:06:05.960 I forget? 0:06:06.000 --> 0:06:10.679 I'm sure I'm sure Ryan had like a last see. 0:06:11.120 --> 0:06:16.080 I think I would have been like, I forget. I 0:06:16.120 --> 0:06:17.960 don't know what it is, but I seem to remember 0:06:17.960 --> 0:06:19.520 that he had some idea for like this is where 0:06:19.600 --> 0:06:22.840 that's how we stick the landing right by and large, Yeah, 0:06:23.200 --> 0:06:27.480 and you could have kept it in the school, but 0:06:27.600 --> 0:06:31.839 like still then then folded in new people. You know, 0:06:32.360 --> 0:06:34.080 we sort of tried to do that, and it was 0:06:34.120 --> 0:06:36.919 not for lack of like like everyone was great. 0:06:36.800 --> 0:06:39.600 Who we brought oh yeah yeah. 0:06:39.240 --> 0:06:40.640 Has gone on to do great things. 0:06:41.000 --> 0:06:45.119 Like it was just you're like, oh, the car can't 0:06:45.160 --> 0:06:47.920 get out of like second year, I felt yeah, s 0:06:47.960 --> 0:06:50.159 artistically and then we had to sort of like I 0:06:50.200 --> 0:06:53.520 remember always being like we're really belaboring this, like what's 0:06:53.560 --> 0:06:54.080 going on it? 0:06:54.200 --> 0:06:55.280 Yah know, what's this? 0:06:55.440 --> 0:06:58.360 Like this back and forth between New York and Ohio. Yes, 0:06:58.960 --> 0:07:01.400 like oh it's just don't really shoe leathery and you're 0:07:01.440 --> 0:07:04.760 just like, oh, this is like it just became hard. 0:07:05.200 --> 0:07:09.200 The first two seasons of the show were like just 0:07:09.279 --> 0:07:11.640 like flew off the page, which is key, and then 0:07:11.680 --> 0:07:17.160 it just became harder after that, and then I guess yeah, 0:07:17.240 --> 0:07:21.680 like like yeah five was is that yeah? 0:07:22.080 --> 0:07:24.280 Yes, yeah, just hard. 0:07:24.080 --> 0:07:27.640 Yeah yeah, Cause you also like and we talked about 0:07:27.640 --> 0:07:30.520 this a lot, where like our emotional state going into 0:07:30.600 --> 0:07:34.440 this thing was also obviously just wasn't us on camera. 0:07:34.560 --> 0:07:37.360 It affected every the hundreds of people that showed up 0:07:37.360 --> 0:07:41.040 to work every single day. And then you guys, before 0:07:41.080 --> 0:07:43.680 any of us ever showed up, had to get together 0:07:44.160 --> 0:07:48.440 to somehow like do some work and make this thing happen. 0:07:48.640 --> 0:07:51.239 Wanted to be I mean partially part of me would 0:07:51.280 --> 0:07:55.760 want to be. Like it's like when a when a 0:07:55.800 --> 0:07:58.760 member of a band dies and the band going, it's 0:07:58.760 --> 0:08:00.760 almost always you want to be like, no, you kind 0:08:00.760 --> 0:08:03.400 of want to do the led Zeppelin thing. Yeah, it's 0:08:03.400 --> 0:08:06.600 just't but we kind of couldn't. It was like and 0:08:06.680 --> 0:08:11.080 it was like but it was so tragic and so 0:08:11.400 --> 0:08:13.640 you're just like, ah, it was like going to a 0:08:13.680 --> 0:08:16.640 wake every day, and then it was just like pushing 0:08:16.680 --> 0:08:21.400 like a h a dead mule up a hill, just 0:08:21.440 --> 0:08:25.520 like this is just hard, hard, hard, And then everybody 0:08:26.120 --> 0:08:29.320 sort of you know, grief is so weird that I 0:08:29.400 --> 0:08:33.280 think that like just everybody processes differently. Like I put 0:08:33.320 --> 0:08:38.440 on like a very helpful cone of like denial and 0:08:38.520 --> 0:08:42.040 be like I'm going to compartmentalize and I'll grieve this 0:08:42.240 --> 0:08:45.280 ten years from now, right slow, you know, just be. 0:08:45.160 --> 0:08:48.960 Like nope, not happening, yeh. 0:08:49.360 --> 0:08:51.400 Like it's just and everybody's just different in that way. 0:08:51.440 --> 0:08:53.000 So it was just it was weird in that sense. 0:08:53.200 --> 0:08:56.040 That all that said, I think we did probably a 0:08:56.080 --> 0:08:58.360 pretty good job of like making it a watchable show 0:08:58.400 --> 0:09:00.600 and it was interesting a new cast whatever it was like, 0:09:00.640 --> 0:09:03.719 there was like to be had. There's probably things. I 0:09:03.800 --> 0:09:06.640 mean again, because I don't remember almost any of it, 0:09:07.000 --> 0:09:08.720 there are whole like characters that will be like. 0:09:08.679 --> 0:09:12.360 Who's that now, don't worry, we didn't watched Yeah. 0:09:12.280 --> 0:09:14.559 Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think it's just a function of 0:09:14.600 --> 0:09:16.960 the show being like suddenly, like the DNA just like 0:09:17.040 --> 0:09:22.160 totally changes. That said, there's probably like there's probably really funny, 0:09:22.160 --> 0:09:24.160 good quality stuff in there. 0:09:24.200 --> 0:09:25.559 It was just it's just a different show. 0:09:25.800 --> 0:09:26.000 Yeah. 0:09:26.080 --> 0:09:28.679 No, it was really good, honestly, Like rewatching it, there 0:09:28.720 --> 0:09:31.280 were just so many moments where we were like, I 0:09:31.320 --> 0:09:35.800 think we have to rewatch, especially the early season five Beatles, 0:09:37.200 --> 0:09:40.000 Katie Gaga, end of Twerk, puppet Master, like all those 0:09:40.200 --> 0:09:42.839 really weird ones. We had to be like, hey, this 0:09:42.920 --> 0:09:45.760 is what we were all going through. Let's give everybody 0:09:46.120 --> 0:09:50.120 an effing break, like because it was so hard and 0:09:50.160 --> 0:09:52.400 there were really really great moments. 0:09:52.200 --> 0:09:53.719 Especially towards this end of that. 0:09:55.160 --> 0:09:56.959 The second part of the fifth season when we did 0:09:57.000 --> 0:10:01.000 like City of Angels, Beautiful one hundred, like they were 0:10:01.040 --> 0:10:02.440 all really great. 0:10:02.559 --> 0:10:03.760 It just was different. 0:10:03.840 --> 0:10:06.360 And then going to New York, Like, do you remember 0:10:06.440 --> 0:10:08.480 being in the room or like talking with Ryan and 0:10:08.480 --> 0:10:12.120 Brad about like making the switch to the I call 0:10:12.120 --> 0:10:13.960 it like the New York spin off of just being 0:10:13.960 --> 0:10:15.760 in solely in New York for the second half of 0:10:15.800 --> 0:10:16.440 season five. 0:10:17.280 --> 0:10:17.600 Yeah. 0:10:18.320 --> 0:10:21.320 Yeah, but I remember sort of feeling like every time 0:10:21.400 --> 0:10:24.040 like the move was like this is high school show. 0:10:25.000 --> 0:10:28.080 It was totally different, and you're thinking about different things, 0:10:28.080 --> 0:10:29.560 and it's like, in a way, it's too adult. 0:10:30.160 --> 0:10:31.920 It's my critique of the show. 0:10:32.000 --> 0:10:35.240 Early on, we should have kept the show less adult, 0:10:35.360 --> 0:10:40.120 like nobody should have boned down until like, way, make 0:10:40.200 --> 0:10:42.280 that the thing that we all are won, you know, 0:10:42.320 --> 0:10:42.840 like make it like. 0:10:45.679 --> 0:10:47.920 They boned down. Can you believe it? 0:10:48.120 --> 0:10:52.320 Yeah, Instead, it sort of became like then once we 0:10:52.320 --> 0:10:54.240 got into there, it was just sort of like like 0:10:55.000 --> 0:10:56.600 sort of college sex romp. 0:10:57.559 --> 0:10:59.480 It was like, well, that's just weird. 0:10:59.240 --> 0:11:01.720 And it just is it suddenly like doesn't quite fit 0:11:01.800 --> 0:11:04.480 the format, which is like Glee Club, which is by 0:11:04.679 --> 0:11:07.200 virtue of what it is like wants to be a 0:11:07.280 --> 0:11:12.240 little bit underdeveloped and like innocent in a way funny 0:11:12.240 --> 0:11:15.400 about it. Yeah, silly and sort of like childish. It 0:11:15.480 --> 0:11:18.000 is so, but once we were there, it was it 0:11:18.080 --> 0:11:24.520 was fine. There was like there were now also in 0:11:24.559 --> 0:11:27.679 this case, I was directing. 0:11:27.240 --> 0:11:29.880 More and so when I directed out of the writer's room. 0:11:29.920 --> 0:11:31.800 So season five is probably the one that I feel 0:11:31.880 --> 0:11:35.240 least attached to writing wise, because some for the first time, 0:11:35.280 --> 0:11:37.640 some of the episodes I didn't I didn't have a 0:11:37.679 --> 0:11:41.520 word in weird. So suddenly then you'd be watching a 0:11:41.559 --> 0:11:45.080 cut of something you'd be like, I don't know what, 0:11:45.240 --> 0:11:47.680 I don't know where they came up with that. But 0:11:47.720 --> 0:11:50.120 that's just my virtue of feeling so connected with the show. 0:11:50.200 --> 0:11:52.080 Early on, it wasn't that it was it was just like, 0:11:52.120 --> 0:11:56.080 oh yeah, this thing was Yeah, it was like quite 0:11:56.960 --> 0:12:07.840 quite different. What were Tina and Already doing? 0:12:09.240 --> 0:12:11.800 So Tina and Already, well we have. 0:12:12.040 --> 0:12:15.040 A model the time you you were. 0:12:14.679 --> 0:12:16.720 Just like you were in this like swinging London. I 0:12:16.760 --> 0:12:17.200 remember that. 0:12:17.600 --> 0:12:21.080 I loved it. Yeah, Tina and Already were vying for. 0:12:22.960 --> 0:12:29.560 Orion and in front of me and Rachel was and 0:12:29.600 --> 0:12:32.439 then we were also Already was kind of left out 0:12:32.440 --> 0:12:35.760 of this trio of Sam Blaine and Tina where we 0:12:35.800 --> 0:12:40.559 did like jump and jump in and the school like locking. 0:12:40.360 --> 0:12:44.640 And called trio and it's about everyone graduating, but there's 0:12:44.679 --> 0:12:48.440 a fourth one graduating was me. So the whole episode 0:12:48.480 --> 0:12:49.120 which is like. 0:12:50.240 --> 0:12:53.640 Hey, you guys, funny but it was great. 0:12:54.040 --> 0:13:00.480 Yeah, and then got into New York. Yeah, Tina went 0:13:00.480 --> 0:13:01.240 to Brown. 0:13:02.080 --> 0:13:02.560 And then. 0:13:05.280 --> 0:13:09.520 Recur or recurring directer Jenna went to a recur Right, 0:13:09.760 --> 0:13:12.200 how how did season vie? 0:13:14.679 --> 0:13:16.560 We were it was New York, so it was like, 0:13:17.080 --> 0:13:19.840 h Rachel goes to New York, she gets the role 0:13:19.840 --> 0:13:24.040 and funny girl. They open it, It gets great reviews. 0:13:24.080 --> 0:13:28.160 Then the guy comes for the reality show, and then 0:13:28.200 --> 0:13:30.920 we have Chris's episode in between there with the old 0:13:30.960 --> 0:13:37.120 Folks home, and then it ends with entitled Rachel Berry 0:13:37.120 --> 0:13:42.960 Product Project where she's yeah, going back. 0:13:44.920 --> 0:13:50.320 Kurt Blaine, Rachel, Sam and Sam are all in New 0:13:50.400 --> 0:13:53.600 York and make a promise in Mercedes like Sam got 0:13:53.600 --> 0:13:56.120 his modeling gig. They're like, we're going to meet back 0:13:56.160 --> 0:13:58.880 here in six months. Everything's changing because Sam's like, I'm 0:13:58.920 --> 0:14:01.480 going back to McKinley, and that's when we see like 0:14:01.640 --> 0:14:05.640 McKinley again. I don't know He's like, I just wanted 0:14:05.679 --> 0:14:06.920 to get on the side of a bus and I 0:14:07.000 --> 0:14:08.840 did that, So I'm going to go back home now 0:14:08.840 --> 0:14:09.880 because I miss my people. 0:14:12.640 --> 0:14:15.640 He goes to me the football coacht and then he's 0:14:15.679 --> 0:14:17.000 like looking through the. 0:14:16.880 --> 0:14:21.200 Glee club door window and it's now a computer lab. 0:14:23.280 --> 0:14:27.000 I know this sounds crazy, it actually was great. 0:14:27.040 --> 0:14:29.840 And then they did POMPEII and Rachel broke the fourth 0:14:29.880 --> 0:14:32.960 wall on the very last scene. Do you remember she 0:14:33.080 --> 0:14:36.960 looks straight down the barrel of a camera, oh, which. 0:14:36.720 --> 0:14:38.480 I don't think I've talked about on here. After we 0:14:38.520 --> 0:14:41.720 watched that, I did message Brad because he directed it, 0:14:42.040 --> 0:14:46.960 and I was sort of like, what what was that welcome? 0:14:47.600 --> 0:14:50.600 He was like, well, I don't really remember, but it's 0:14:50.600 --> 0:14:53.480 one of two things. He was like, we were always 0:14:53.520 --> 0:14:56.440 desperately trying to sort of reinvent the wheel because we've 0:14:56.480 --> 0:14:58.400 done so many musical numbers, like how can we do 0:14:58.480 --> 0:15:02.920 something different? And he's like, so that might have been it, 0:15:02.960 --> 0:15:05.080 but it was He's like, that's probably what I used 0:15:05.240 --> 0:15:09.800 to justify number two, which was we probably just tried 0:15:09.840 --> 0:15:13.400 it and I liked it, and so we just kept it. 0:15:13.600 --> 0:15:15.720 Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean the fans really took to 0:15:15.760 --> 0:15:18.600 it though, because if they felt like it was like 0:15:18.760 --> 0:15:21.200 Leah breaking in the fourth Wall as Rachel kind of 0:15:21.200 --> 0:15:23.800 being like because she looks up to the sky and 0:15:23.840 --> 0:15:25.880 then she looks at the camera and then she kind 0:15:25.880 --> 0:15:28.120 of walks off with a smile, and so there was 0:15:28.160 --> 0:15:32.960 this moment of like I'm okay. We're like I'm okay, 0:15:33.160 --> 0:15:33.600 I get that. 0:15:33.680 --> 0:15:35.359 Yeah, yeah, you know, it works. 0:15:35.880 --> 0:15:37.760 And the fans really really enjoyed that. And I thought 0:15:37.800 --> 0:15:39.560 it worked. I totally thought it worked. It was just 0:15:39.640 --> 0:15:41.880 so jarring when I watched it first, I was like. 0:15:42.320 --> 0:15:44.640 I didn't remember much of that. 0:15:45.360 --> 0:15:47.720 We didn't well, we were scared going into it because 0:15:47.760 --> 0:15:50.160 we you know, in our heads it's like one, two 0:15:50.160 --> 0:15:53.800 and three were like really solid or like four. But 0:15:54.000 --> 0:15:56.040 the fans were like, oh no, it's good, and we 0:15:56.120 --> 0:16:00.240 watch it and it's great. And then five remember even 0:16:00.320 --> 0:16:03.920 less as Ian also, and then six we were watching 0:16:03.920 --> 0:16:06.600 for the first time. Really yeah, fully for the first time. 0:16:06.800 --> 0:16:09.720 But five there's a lot of a lot of really 0:16:09.720 --> 0:16:12.160 great moments, and you do the challenge that we talked 0:16:12.200 --> 0:16:16.160 about where I think you sort of tried at season 0:16:16.200 --> 0:16:19.880 five and then really accomplish it season six, which was 0:16:20.040 --> 0:16:23.960 bringing in new people. And in season five, like you said, 0:16:24.280 --> 0:16:27.120 so many great actors, but it felt like at first 0:16:27.480 --> 0:16:31.400 it was everyone was sort of playing an archetype that 0:16:31.520 --> 0:16:35.120 already existed on the show. You had like the new Finn, 0:16:35.160 --> 0:16:37.280 you had the new Quinn, you had the new Santana, 0:16:37.680 --> 0:16:40.880 like all these people sort of coming in which didn't 0:16:40.960 --> 0:16:44.920 last that long, and then they sort of became themselves 0:16:45.000 --> 0:16:46.479 like other characters. 0:16:46.880 --> 0:16:47.080 Yeah. 0:16:47.600 --> 0:16:51.120 Yeah, but going into season six, the fans were like, 0:16:51.360 --> 0:16:55.160 oh no, these new kids, these characters are amazing, and 0:16:55.240 --> 0:16:58.520 so far it's true. It's sort of what you said 0:16:58.520 --> 0:17:01.280 in the beginning about what the show is, where it's 0:17:01.280 --> 0:17:04.959 like it's a glee club and it's like it's janky, 0:17:05.240 --> 0:17:08.800 it doesn't really work. The characters are all over the place, 0:17:08.840 --> 0:17:10.840 come from different places, and that's what really happened with 0:17:10.880 --> 0:17:13.520 the season six kids, and I think so far why 0:17:13.560 --> 0:17:16.280 it's really enjoyable and successful in that way. 0:17:16.800 --> 0:17:19.560 So how long are you? How far through six are you? 0:17:20.359 --> 0:17:21.240 Half way? 0:17:21.840 --> 0:17:23.840 Should we start talking about season six now? 0:17:24.160 --> 0:17:24.720 Yeah? 0:17:24.840 --> 0:17:29.119 Yeah, So I think it's actually when the show gets 0:17:29.200 --> 0:17:34.000 spectacular again. I loved it was so much fun and 0:17:34.040 --> 0:17:41.679 I think partly like I rank them one, two, six, three, four. 0:17:41.720 --> 0:17:47.119 Five, Oh my god, I loved it because we didn't 0:17:47.160 --> 0:17:49.480 give out more. Yeah. 0:17:49.080 --> 0:17:51.560 Yes, it feels like that a little bit. 0:17:52.240 --> 0:17:54.720 Like when we were watching. I think throughout we were 0:17:54.760 --> 0:17:58.600 just so aware. It seems comical now, like we were 0:17:58.680 --> 0:18:01.639 so aware of like rating, So when you're like a 0:18:01.680 --> 0:18:03.040 network show, you're like the rating. 0:18:03.400 --> 0:18:06.480 Well, we got moved to Fridays and nobody was watching it. 0:18:07.080 --> 0:18:09.200 Did that have an impact? Like did you know first 0:18:09.240 --> 0:18:11.160 of all that it was going to be thirteen episodes 0:18:11.200 --> 0:18:12.520 and that we're going to be on Fridays. 0:18:13.840 --> 0:18:16.040 We I don't think we knew the day, but we 0:18:16.080 --> 0:18:18.840 were sort of like, ugh, this is probably the end. 0:18:19.080 --> 0:18:21.800 So and I think it was just they again, this 0:18:21.840 --> 0:18:22.959 is the thing with network television. 0:18:22.960 --> 0:18:24.760 They were probably like, we got to get this turkey 0:18:24.840 --> 0:18:26.840 off the air to put on one of our new 0:18:26.920 --> 0:18:29.560 development things, and then they would do that. I'm sure 0:18:29.640 --> 0:18:32.240 the thing that replaced our show at lower ratings than us, 0:18:32.480 --> 0:18:34.720 because it wasn't a show that was getting lower ratings. 0:18:34.720 --> 0:18:37.399 It was like network television was getting lower ratings. 0:18:37.680 --> 0:18:38.840 That's why I could. 0:18:38.640 --> 0:18:41.679 Go back into a time machine, yes and back and 0:18:41.760 --> 0:18:43.800 like knock on the door there and be like, hey, hey, 0:18:44.280 --> 0:18:46.919 don't blame us for like the ratings going down, the 0:18:47.080 --> 0:18:50.720 rates going down, is this shift in the landscape, Yeah, 0:18:50.760 --> 0:18:53.600 this is happening everywhere, And then it would be like 0:18:54.000 --> 0:18:55.040 what used to be. 0:18:55.400 --> 0:18:56.240 You know, we would be. 0:18:56.240 --> 0:18:59.439 Like, oh, we got a one we scored. 0:19:00.520 --> 0:19:02.520 Now that would be like people were like whoa. 0:19:04.400 --> 0:19:08.280 Right, So I thought I think part of the difference 0:19:08.400 --> 0:19:10.040 was that we were like, Okay, we've hit the end 0:19:11.480 --> 0:19:15.680 and we no longer felt the need to fight that 0:19:15.880 --> 0:19:18.919 fight and to do like fan service, which doesn't work 0:19:19.480 --> 0:19:21.800 when you're like Twitter lesbians are saying like we need 0:19:21.840 --> 0:19:24.840 to to do this, or like Tumblr thinks that we 0:19:24.920 --> 0:19:26.239 should do and you're just like no, no, no no. 0:19:27.000 --> 0:19:28.440 When you do that, it doesn't work. 0:19:28.600 --> 0:19:31.560 You drive yourself nuts a little bit, like you're just because. 0:19:31.320 --> 0:19:32.680 They're not the ones that came up with the show. 0:19:32.760 --> 0:19:35.080 The shows and you Brad and Ryan have the DNA 0:19:35.119 --> 0:19:38.120 of this show, and so it's like any feeling off 0:19:38.160 --> 0:19:39.399 of what you The. 0:19:40.480 --> 0:19:43.200 Season that was most successful was where we wrote all 0:19:43.240 --> 0:19:44.840 of it before anybody. 0:19:44.359 --> 0:19:46.320 Saw it, so it was just like boom. We essentially 0:19:46.400 --> 0:19:47.280 like dropped. 0:19:46.920 --> 0:19:49.480 It and then you're like, oh wow, there was no feedback, 0:19:49.480 --> 0:19:50.480 and the feedback loop. 0:19:50.359 --> 0:19:52.120 Just did not help the show. I don't think. 0:19:52.440 --> 0:19:54.840 But so then by the time of like season six, 0:19:54.880 --> 0:19:59.359 it was just like just very very fun. I just 0:19:59.440 --> 0:20:02.480 remember the hurt Locker, but I don't there's other stuff 0:20:02.520 --> 0:20:05.080