Speaker 1: And That's what you Really missed with Jenna.
Speaker 2: And Kevin An iHeartRadio podcast.
Speaker 1: Welcome to and That's what You Really miss podcast. Do
Speaker 1: we have the Founder, the Pioneer, Ian Brennan.
Speaker 2: One of the Holy Trinity. We have Ian back because
Speaker 2: the recap is coming to an end, and we found
Speaker 2: out Ian has some strong feelings about season six and
Speaker 2: some missing memories and some missing memories, which a common
Speaker 2: theme here on That's what you Really missed? And I
Speaker 2: think I'm very excited for you all to hear what
Speaker 2: he has to say about so much. We talk about
Speaker 2: a lot, a lot, so buckle up. This is Ian Brennan.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, in a suit.
Speaker 3: I'm dressed like an off duty birthday clown.
Speaker 2: I beg to say that for us, this is how normally.
Speaker 4: No, No, it's not. Yeah, it's off Yeah, it's not that
Speaker 4: off brand.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying the clown.
Speaker 5: You said that.
Speaker 2: I think you dress very dashing style.
Speaker 4: I've looked better at guys.
Speaker 3: I I exercised before coming here, so I'm good for years.
Speaker 3: I've got some flyaways.
Speaker 5: It's kind of blazer on.
Speaker 1: Aren't you warm after you work out and you put
Speaker 1: a warm blazer around like that.
Speaker 3: Gotta keep gotta recovery.
Speaker 4: You gotta work in the muscle muscle confusion, extream muscle recovery.
Speaker 2: Your muscles are like suits on. Now let's clean it up, boys.
Speaker 3: Guys, we've gone from the gym.
Speaker 4: Now hit the boardroom.
Speaker 2: I know this is not why we asked you to
Speaker 2: be on here. I feel like you've always had such
Speaker 2: a distinct sense of style. You have great sensibilities when
Speaker 2: it comes to these things. Well, thank you, and like,
Speaker 2: what have you always had that?
Speaker 3: I know it's when I stopped wearing jeans.
Speaker 4: Have been talking about this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think I ever met you were wearing
Speaker 1: jeans when we met you.
Speaker 3: Sort of around nine to eleven, but there was no read.
Speaker 5: That's right, that's right, Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I can't do it. I can't wear jeans.
Speaker 3: So is this the last how far through are you?
Speaker 4: Are you? Is it the last one?
Speaker 2: We are at? We're in the last season. Half we
Speaker 2: did the last season?
Speaker 5: Great, Yeah, so we're in.
Speaker 1: Then we're in the end.
Speaker 5: We're in season six.
Speaker 1: But I need to take it back because I think
Speaker 1: we need to take it back to like season five.
Speaker 1: I think it's important to like talk about what you
Speaker 1: remember and what it was like, like post Cory going
Speaker 1: into season six obviously from like the spin off of
Speaker 1: New York going into season six with the newbies, like
Speaker 1: how did you get there?
Speaker 5: And what was that like?
Speaker 4: It was terrible.
Speaker 3: It was awful and I don't think it worked, and
Speaker 3: it was like it was really hard. I think it
Speaker 3: was so hard that I sort of like blocked it out.
Speaker 3: I'm not a big person for like blocked out memories,
Speaker 3: but like I just kind.
Speaker 4: Of blocked that out, Like I totally blocked about it out.
Speaker 3: It was just really really, really hard. It was like
Speaker 3: I think we thought originally that it was I mean, look,
Speaker 3: it's my own credit. We had to do something, and
Speaker 3: we had to once we probably talked about this, but
Speaker 3: like early on in the show, I would have preferred,
Speaker 3: probably wrongly, to not acknowledge time at all.
Speaker 4: Right, right, Simpsons, it would sort of reset, right, Yeah.
Speaker 3: Second was sort of like you second you have Rachel
Speaker 3: Berry be like I'm a sophomore, and then you're like,
Speaker 3: it's prom You're like locked into the earrow of time.
Speaker 2: Since see we had you on that all of a
Speaker 2: sudden was it was never mentioned and then all of
Speaker 2: a sudden, we started like very specifically referencing time in
Speaker 2: such an odd way because it got stretched out over
Speaker 2: like a season and a half.
Speaker 5: Yeah, graduation school, it was you.
Speaker 4: It's like he would have just been like, you could
Speaker 4: have just made it.
Speaker 3: We just didn't have to be that that final point
Speaker 3: on it, I thought, And then we just sort of did,
Speaker 3: and it made sense.
Speaker 4: You don't want you.
Speaker 3: We didn't want to watch you all turn thirty, although
Speaker 3: but also who cares, you know, like it wouldn't I
Speaker 3: don't think it would have mattered, but it sort of.
Speaker 4: Like locked us into that.
Speaker 3: So then Corey Diyes, the whole show artistically that we
Speaker 3: were setting up was in which he would sort of
Speaker 3: come in and become mister Shoe.
Speaker 4: That was sort of like, well, okay.
Speaker 3: And then it was we Then then it was sort
Speaker 3: of like, all right, we have to sort of like
Speaker 3: we don't want to lose these characters who are now
Speaker 3: like aging out of the high school, bring in a
Speaker 3: new cast. And it was just like that's just tough.
Speaker 3: It's just yeah, it's a show about this. I think
Speaker 3: this show is always going to be a show about
Speaker 3: a high school.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Second, it's not about a high school.
Speaker 3: It just gets weird, right, Oh, it's a little bit
Speaker 3: like when did he cut her hair?
Speaker 5: Right that they're like, oh my god, why do we
Speaker 5: ever cot her hair?
Speaker 4: Like, Oh, I guess it is.
Speaker 3: That show's just about like a teenage girl with like blonde,
Speaker 3: curly hair. The second you're like messed with the DNA
Speaker 3: that suddenly it's like, well now she's short curly hair.
Speaker 4: People are like, what.
Speaker 5: Show I'm not watching anymore?
Speaker 3: So, which is the show didn't work at all? People
Speaker 3: still like loved our show. It would just ave us
Speaker 3: harder to I I had trouble with wrapping my head
Speaker 3: around it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, did you think that like at the end, did
Speaker 1: you have an endgame for Finn in the show? Like
Speaker 1: did you think it would just kind of go on
Speaker 1: in this way where like Corey would just pop into
Speaker 1: the mister Shoes, you know shoes, and then like it
Speaker 1: would live on that way and then when Corey died,
Speaker 1: like that whole plan went down the pooper or was it?
Speaker 5: Like, yeah, was it?
Speaker 4: I forget?
Speaker 3: I'm sure I'm sure Ryan had like a last see.
Speaker 3: I think I would have been like, I forget. I
Speaker 3: don't know what it is, but I seem to remember
Speaker 3: that he had some idea for like this is where
Speaker 3: that's how we stick the landing right by and large, Yeah,
Speaker 3: and you could have kept it in the school, but
Speaker 3: like still then then folded in new people. You know,
Speaker 3: we sort of tried to do that, and it was
Speaker 3: not for lack of like like everyone was great.
Speaker 5: Who we brought oh yeah yeah.
Speaker 4: Has gone on to do great things.
Speaker 3: Like it was just you're like, oh, the car can't
Speaker 3: get out of like second year, I felt yeah, s
Speaker 3: artistically and then we had to sort of like I
Speaker 3: remember always being like we're really belaboring this, like what's
Speaker 3: going on it?
Speaker 4: Yah know, what's this?
Speaker 3: Like this back and forth between New York and Ohio. Yes,
Speaker 3: like oh it's just don't really shoe leathery and you're
Speaker 3: just like, oh, this is like it just became hard.
Speaker 3: The first two seasons of the show were like just
Speaker 3: like flew off the page, which is key, and then
Speaker 3: it just became harder after that, and then I guess yeah,
Speaker 3: like like yeah five was is that yeah?
Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, just hard.
Speaker 6: Yeah yeah, Cause you also like and we talked about
Speaker 6: this a lot, where like our emotional state going into
Speaker 6: this thing was also obviously just wasn't us on camera.
Speaker 2: It affected every the hundreds of people that showed up
Speaker 2: to work every single day. And then you guys, before
Speaker 2: any of us ever showed up, had to get together
Speaker 2: to somehow like do some work and make this thing happen.
Speaker 3: Wanted to be I mean partially part of me would
Speaker 3: want to be. Like it's like when a when a
Speaker 3: member of a band dies and the band going, it's
Speaker 3: almost always you want to be like, no, you kind
Speaker 3: of want to do the led Zeppelin thing. Yeah, it's
Speaker 3: just't but we kind of couldn't. It was like and
Speaker 3: it was like but it was so tragic and so
Speaker 3: you're just like, ah, it was like going to a
Speaker 3: wake every day, and then it was just like pushing
Speaker 3: like a h a dead mule up a hill, just
Speaker 3: like this is just hard, hard, hard, And then everybody
Speaker 3: sort of you know, grief is so weird that I
Speaker 3: think that like just everybody processes differently. Like I put
Speaker 3: on like a very helpful cone of like denial and
Speaker 3: be like I'm going to compartmentalize and I'll grieve this
Speaker 3: ten years from now, right slow, you know, just be.
Speaker 4: Like nope, not happening, yeh.
Speaker 3: Like it's just and everybody's just different in that way.
Speaker 4: So it was just it was weird in that sense.
Speaker 3: That all that said, I think we did probably a
Speaker 3: pretty good job of like making it a watchable show
Speaker 3: and it was interesting a new cast whatever it was like,
Speaker 3: there was like to be had. There's probably things. I
Speaker 3: mean again, because I don't remember almost any of it,
Speaker 3: there are whole like characters that will be like.
Speaker 5: Who's that now, don't worry, we didn't watched Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think it's just a function of
Speaker 3: the show being like suddenly, like the DNA just like
Speaker 3: totally changes. That said, there's probably like there's probably really funny,
Speaker 3: good quality stuff in there.
Speaker 4: It was just it's just a different show.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 1: No, it was really good, honestly, Like rewatching it, there
Speaker 1: were just so many moments where we were like, I
Speaker 1: think we have to rewatch, especially the early season five Beatles,
Speaker 1: Katie Gaga, end of Twerk, puppet Master, like all those
Speaker 1: really weird ones. We had to be like, hey, this
Speaker 1: is what we were all going through. Let's give everybody
Speaker 1: an effing break, like because it was so hard and
Speaker 1: there were really really great moments.
Speaker 5: Especially towards this end of that.
Speaker 1: The second part of the fifth season when we did
Speaker 1: like City of Angels, Beautiful one hundred, like they were
Speaker 1: all really great.
Speaker 5: It just was different.
Speaker 1: And then going to New York, Like, do you remember
Speaker 1: being in the room or like talking with Ryan and
Speaker 1: Brad about like making the switch to the I call
Speaker 1: it like the New York spin off of just being
Speaker 1: in solely in New York for the second half of
Speaker 1: season five.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I remember sort of feeling like every time
Speaker 3: like the move was like this is high school show.
Speaker 3: It was totally different, and you're thinking about different things,
Speaker 3: and it's like, in a way, it's too adult.
Speaker 4: It's my critique of the show.
Speaker 3: Early on, we should have kept the show less adult,
Speaker 3: like nobody should have boned down until like, way, make
Speaker 3: that the thing that we all are won, you know,
Speaker 3: like make it like.
Speaker 4: They boned down. Can you believe it?
Speaker 3: Yeah, Instead, it sort of became like then once we
Speaker 3: got into there, it was just sort of like like
Speaker 3: sort of college sex romp.
Speaker 4: It was like, well, that's just weird.
Speaker 3: And it just is it suddenly like doesn't quite fit
Speaker 3: the format, which is like Glee Club, which is by
Speaker 3: virtue of what it is like wants to be a
Speaker 3: little bit underdeveloped and like innocent in a way funny
Speaker 3: about it. Yeah, silly and sort of like childish. It
Speaker 3: is so, but once we were there, it was it
Speaker 3: was fine. There was like there were now also in
Speaker 3: this case, I was directing.
Speaker 4: More and so when I directed out of the writer's room.
Speaker 3: So season five is probably the one that I feel
Speaker 3: least attached to writing wise, because some for the first time,
Speaker 3: some of the episodes I didn't I didn't have a
Speaker 3: word in weird. So suddenly then you'd be watching a
Speaker 3: cut of something you'd be like, I don't know what,
Speaker 3: I don't know where they came up with that. But
Speaker 3: that's just my virtue of feeling so connected with the show.
Speaker 3: Early on, it wasn't that it was it was just like,
Speaker 3: oh yeah, this thing was Yeah, it was like quite
Speaker 3: quite different. What were Tina and Already doing?
Speaker 5: So Tina and Already, well we have.
Speaker 3: A model the time you you were.
Speaker 4: Just like you were in this like swinging London. I
Speaker 4: remember that.
Speaker 5: I loved it. Yeah, Tina and Already were vying for.
Speaker 1: Orion and in front of me and Rachel was and
Speaker 1: then we were also Already was kind of left out
Speaker 1: of this trio of Sam Blaine and Tina where we
Speaker 1: did like jump and jump in and the school like locking.
Speaker 2: And called trio and it's about everyone graduating, but there's
Speaker 2: a fourth one graduating was me. So the whole episode
Speaker 2: which is like.
Speaker 5: Hey, you guys, funny but it was great.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then got into New York. Yeah, Tina went
Speaker 2: to Brown.
Speaker 6: And then.
Speaker 5: Recur or recurring directer Jenna went to a recur Right,
Speaker 5: how how did season vie?
Speaker 1: We were it was New York, so it was like,
Speaker 1: h Rachel goes to New York, she gets the role
Speaker 1: and funny girl. They open it, It gets great reviews.
Speaker 1: Then the guy comes for the reality show, and then
Speaker 1: we have Chris's episode in between there with the old
Speaker 1: Folks home, and then it ends with entitled Rachel Berry
Speaker 1: Product Project where she's yeah, going back.
Speaker 2: Kurt Blaine, Rachel, Sam and Sam are all in New
Speaker 2: York and make a promise in Mercedes like Sam got
Speaker 2: his modeling gig. They're like, we're going to meet back
Speaker 2: here in six months. Everything's changing because Sam's like, I'm
Speaker 2: going back to McKinley, and that's when we see like
Speaker 2: McKinley again. I don't know He's like, I just wanted
Speaker 2: to get on the side of a bus and I
Speaker 2: did that, So I'm going to go back home now
Speaker 2: because I miss my people.
Speaker 1: He goes to me the football coacht and then he's
Speaker 1: like looking through the.
Speaker 2: Glee club door window and it's now a computer lab.
Speaker 5: I know this sounds crazy, it actually was great.
Speaker 1: And then they did POMPEII and Rachel broke the fourth
Speaker 1: wall on the very last scene. Do you remember she
Speaker 1: looks straight down the barrel of a camera, oh, which.
Speaker 2: I don't think I've talked about on here. After we
Speaker 2: watched that, I did message Brad because he directed it,
Speaker 2: and I was sort of like, what what was that welcome?
Speaker 2: He was like, well, I don't really remember, but it's
Speaker 2: one of two things. He was like, we were always
Speaker 2: desperately trying to sort of reinvent the wheel because we've
Speaker 2: done so many musical numbers, like how can we do
Speaker 2: something different? And he's like, so that might have been it,
Speaker 2: but it was He's like, that's probably what I used
Speaker 2: to justify number two, which was we probably just tried
Speaker 2: it and I liked it, and so we just kept it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean the fans really took to
Speaker 1: it though, because if they felt like it was like
Speaker 1: Leah breaking in the fourth Wall as Rachel kind of
Speaker 1: being like because she looks up to the sky and
Speaker 1: then she looks at the camera and then she kind
Speaker 1: of walks off with a smile, and so there was
Speaker 1: this moment of like I'm okay. We're like I'm okay,
Speaker 1: I get that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you know, it works.
Speaker 1: And the fans really really enjoyed that. And I thought
Speaker 1: it worked. I totally thought it worked. It was just
Speaker 1: so jarring when I watched it first, I was like.
Speaker 4: I didn't remember much of that.
Speaker 2: We didn't well, we were scared going into it because
Speaker 2: we you know, in our heads it's like one, two
Speaker 2: and three were like really solid or like four. But
Speaker 2: the fans were like, oh no, it's good, and we
Speaker 2: watch it and it's great. And then five remember even
Speaker 2: less as Ian also, and then six we were watching
Speaker 2: for the first time. Really yeah, fully for the first time.
Speaker 2: But five there's a lot of a lot of really
Speaker 2: great moments, and you do the challenge that we talked
Speaker 2: about where I think you sort of tried at season
Speaker 2: five and then really accomplish it season six, which was
Speaker 2: bringing in new people. And in season five, like you said,
Speaker 2: so many great actors, but it felt like at first
Speaker 2: it was everyone was sort of playing an archetype that
Speaker 2: already existed on the show. You had like the new Finn,
Speaker 2: you had the new Quinn, you had the new Santana,
Speaker 2: like all these people sort of coming in which didn't
Speaker 2: last that long, and then they sort of became themselves
Speaker 2: like other characters.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but going into season six, the fans were like,
Speaker 2: oh no, these new kids, these characters are amazing, and
Speaker 2: so far it's true. It's sort of what you said
Speaker 2: in the beginning about what the show is, where it's
Speaker 2: like it's a glee club and it's like it's janky,
Speaker 2: it doesn't really work. The characters are all over the place,
Speaker 2: come from different places, and that's what really happened with
Speaker 2: the season six kids, and I think so far why
Speaker 2: it's really enjoyable and successful in that way.
Speaker 4: So how long are you? How far through six are you?
Speaker 2: Half way?
Speaker 3: Should we start talking about season six now?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I think it's actually when the show gets
Speaker 3: spectacular again. I loved it was so much fun and
Speaker 3: I think partly like I rank them one, two, six, three, four.
Speaker 1: Five, Oh my god, I loved it because we didn't
Speaker 1: give out more. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yes, it feels like that a little bit.
Speaker 3: Like when we were watching. I think throughout we were
Speaker 3: just so aware. It seems comical now, like we were
Speaker 3: so aware of like rating, So when you're like a
Speaker 3: network show, you're like the rating.
Speaker 2: Well, we got moved to Fridays and nobody was watching it.
Speaker 2: Did that have an impact? Like did you know first
Speaker 2: of all that it was going to be thirteen episodes
Speaker 2: and that we're going to be on Fridays.
Speaker 3: We I don't think we knew the day, but we
Speaker 3: were sort of like, ugh, this is probably the end.
Speaker 4: So and I think it was just they again, this
Speaker 4: is the thing with network television.
Speaker 3: They were probably like, we got to get this turkey
Speaker 3: off the air to put on one of our new
Speaker 3: development things, and then they would do that. I'm sure
Speaker 3: the thing that replaced our show at lower ratings than us,
Speaker 3: because it wasn't a show that was getting lower ratings.
Speaker 3: It was like network television was getting lower ratings.
Speaker 5: That's why I could.
Speaker 3: Go back into a time machine, yes and back and
Speaker 3: like knock on the door there and be like, hey, hey,
Speaker 3: don't blame us for like the ratings going down, the
Speaker 3: rates going down, is this shift in the landscape, Yeah,
Speaker 3: this is happening everywhere, And then it would be like
Speaker 3: what used to be.
Speaker 4: You know, we would be.
Speaker 3: Like, oh, we got a one we scored.
Speaker 4: Now that would be like people were like whoa.
Speaker 3: Right, So I thought I think part of the difference
Speaker 3: was that we were like, Okay, we've hit the end
Speaker 3: and we no longer felt the need to fight that
Speaker 3: fight and to do like fan service, which doesn't work
Speaker 3: when you're like Twitter lesbians are saying like we need
Speaker 3: to to do this, or like Tumblr thinks that we
Speaker 3: should do and you're just like no, no, no no.
Speaker 4: When you do that, it doesn't work.
Speaker 5: You drive yourself nuts a little bit, like you're just because.
Speaker 2: They're not the ones that came up with the show.
Speaker 2: The shows and you Brad and Ryan have the DNA
Speaker 2: of this show, and so it's like any feeling off
Speaker 2: of what you The.
Speaker 3: Season that was most successful was where we wrote all
Speaker 3: of it before anybody.
Speaker 4: Saw it, so it was just like boom. We essentially
Speaker 4: like dropped.
Speaker 3: It and then you're like, oh wow, there was no feedback,
Speaker 3: and the feedback loop.
Speaker 4: Just did not help the show. I don't think.
Speaker 3: But so then by the time of like season six,
Speaker 3: it was just like just very very fun. I just
Speaker 3: remember the hurt Locker, but I don't there's other stuff
Speaker 3: where we were just like, oh no, this is just
Speaker 3: like we just should have fun and enjoy the ride again.
Speaker 4: And then is it still are we still in New
Speaker 4: York at all? Or it was all back and we're back?
Speaker 3: Yes? I think Also that's just helped here we are
Speaker 3: you but you still you're back with the villain who's
Speaker 3: going to complicate everything.
Speaker 4: You're back with like right Eye.
Speaker 3: Young kids, and then and like characters that like the
Speaker 3: the the audience knows, and like it was just a
Speaker 3: much much easier thing and not having to do this
Speaker 3: show about college half the time, where you know, this
Speaker 3: is just like okay now, because what was good about
Speaker 3: the show is it like low low stakes?
Speaker 4: Were high stakes?
Speaker 3: Yes, it was like, oh my god, they I gotta
Speaker 3: I gotta go. The dad will think I'm I'm in
Speaker 3: their bathroom and they're gonna think I'm pooing the right
Speaker 3: amount of like the the you know, the everybody fighting
Speaker 3: for a Olive Garden gift certificate is the right amount.
Speaker 4: Of steaks for like a show about high school, So
Speaker 4: like that helps.
Speaker 3: It's suddenly the scale of what's happening, and then you
Speaker 3: can do funny things because in a high school, if
Speaker 3: you do something mildly ribald i e. Like Sultan pepa At,
Speaker 3: like a pep rally is going to be scandalous and funny.
Speaker 3: You know it's nice and it's sort of like happens
Speaker 3: to be Pg.
Speaker 4: Thirteen.
Speaker 3: So it's also like it's really funny. But also anybody
Speaker 3: could watch it, you wouldn't be like, yeah, it's a
Speaker 3: expression advice like that was just never gonna work with
Speaker 3: the show.
Speaker 4: So I think that helped us.
Speaker 3: And then it was just sort of also it was
Speaker 3: we didn't know. We're like, we just have to do
Speaker 3: like thirteen of these. We can like do it in
Speaker 3: our sleep. And then like how does it start? Do
Speaker 3: we know?
Speaker 1: The Starwood loser like me? So she Rachel learns that
Speaker 1: the arts is been banished, so everybody comes back.
Speaker 5: And we do.
Speaker 2: The Rachel Barry project thing happens where is the worst
Speaker 2: pilot of all time, and so she gets canceled in
Speaker 2: many ways and then you know, goes back to Lima
Speaker 2: with her like tab Beteen her legs and learns that
Speaker 2: there is no glee Club anymore, and uses her money
Speaker 2: from the pilot to like restart the glee Club with
Speaker 2: Kurt Yep and Will's teaching vocal adrenaline coaching vocal adrenaline
Speaker 2: Yep and Blaine. But my favorite thing, and I feel
Speaker 2: like it's very Ian thing, is like when when we
Speaker 2: have like an awkward segue into a song, or we
Speaker 2: have like how did this character get back here? And
Speaker 2: you just answer it really quickly with one like very
Speaker 2: self reference line of like acknowledging how insane it is.
Speaker 2: You just keep it moving and it happens a lot
Speaker 2: this and like the first episode, Darren's just like and yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm not really a teacher, but like I'm doing it now,
Speaker 2: and so he's head of Dwarfloers.
Speaker 5: I love it well, But.
Speaker 3: I think this was the kind of that's what that's
Speaker 3: why the season was fun, That it was just sort
Speaker 3: of just a little bit like let's just have fun
Speaker 3: and you could just sort of Maybe it's because it
Speaker 3: was like that we felt like it was almost summer
Speaker 3: vacation or something or that like it was a substitute
Speaker 3: teacher and we were just sort of like letting to
Speaker 3: do or you were just like we had senioritists I
Speaker 3: think a little bit for.
Speaker 2: Sure, and we just came through like the hardest year
Speaker 2: ever before.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, I mean there's such a Scanner Darkly version
Speaker 3: of like and again it's like the the longevity of
Speaker 3: the show versus the tragedy of Corey Monty is dying
Speaker 3: is I don't mean to make those a one to one,
Speaker 3: but let's say he hadn't.
Speaker 4: I mean, I just do think.
Speaker 3: There's a world where that the show went for ten Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: yeahs it really could have. So it is interesting to
Speaker 3: talk about this other sort of like sort of like
Speaker 3: intense Plan.
Speaker 4: B that so ended up being.
Speaker 3: And I think probably seeing I think probably.
Speaker 4: And again this is me I get. I get so
Speaker 4: down on the show because.
Speaker 3: It's like in these ways because I was like on
Speaker 3: the inside of it. It's very well for me, I
Speaker 3: acknowledge it. Like anytime again, I think we've talked about this.
Speaker 3: Anytime you bring it up to like a civilian or
Speaker 3: somebody who just likes the show, they do not know
Speaker 3: what you're talking about.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like, well here's the thing. So like season five
Speaker 4: is a little bit weird.
Speaker 3: I think that like the second half of the season.
Speaker 4: Two, we were maybe a little bit hired.
Speaker 3: Three didn't quite were, and they're just like you might
Speaker 3: as well just be speaking a different language, like you know,
Speaker 3: this show's good, So I like I need to always
Speaker 3: like remind myself like no, no, no, no, no, you don't
Speaker 3: have to be.
Speaker 4: Hard on it. Yeah, it's also like a really it
Speaker 4: was on a good day. It's a hard show.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just it's a miracle anything ended up film or
Speaker 2: on TV.
Speaker 3: It's expensive, it's a lot of characters, music, it doesn't
Speaker 3: not a lot of stuff happens, a lot of personalities,
Speaker 3: a lot of personalities. Yeah, it's just like it's a
Speaker 3: miracle that it worked at all. Really low stakes kind
Speaker 3: of it's a miracle that it worked.
Speaker 4: So it's like all all that saying.
Speaker 3: That. Yeah, I think it by by the end, it
Speaker 3: was we were a little bit punch drunk, but it
Speaker 3: just ended up being like really really silly and really fun.
Speaker 2: If do you think that shorter season acts. I think
Speaker 2: how it does now with most shows that are fewer episodes,
Speaker 2: where it does make it more focused or you're not
Speaker 2: having to fill twenty two episodes. Yes, like, oh we
Speaker 2: have thirteen like you said you do in your sleep,
Speaker 2: but we can also make each episode really exciting.
Speaker 3: No, And I think there's a reason why, like those
Speaker 3: big orders have sort of like gone the way of
Speaker 3: the Dodo. They're just like harder, and it's like the model,
Speaker 3: I think a more successful model seems to with it.
Speaker 4: With some exceptions like procedurals.
Speaker 3: That you can watch out of order or whatever, but
Speaker 3: broadly it's just like, uh, you can kind of wrap
Speaker 3: your hat around. It's so hard, but it's not like impossible.
Speaker 2: Especially for an hour long.
Speaker 5: It's crazy to do twenty two.
Speaker 4: It's just a real you have to work all year.
Speaker 4: You just don't ever stop. You just call yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So it's like so yes, I think that helped,
Speaker 3: and I think it didn't.
Speaker 4: You didn't have to.
Speaker 3: There were no her keys where I think there were
Speaker 3: in like not in one and two, maybe in three,
Speaker 3: four five. There were just a few where you'd be like, op,
Speaker 3: I was always just like we should put like a
Speaker 3: title card at the end.
Speaker 4: That's just sort of like sorry, like this show is hard,
Speaker 4: like tune in next week.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that one missed the mark a little bit.
Speaker 2: Did you know that, Like when you were writing it,
Speaker 2: could you You're like, you finished the episode, You're like, hmmm,
Speaker 2: I'm not sure about this one.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, sometimes.
Speaker 4: But sometimes you'd be surprised.
Speaker 3: But sometimes when you're breaking it, you're just like, these
Speaker 3: are weird ideas. But then the weird idea is like
Speaker 3: really work. And that's the thing with the show like
Speaker 3: this that is a little bit weird, and it was
Speaker 3: just that was in the dna of it, like sort
Speaker 3: of swings and weird stuff that you're gonna have you're
Speaker 3: just gonna miss.
Speaker 4: Sometimes I think.
Speaker 3: Other shows that weren't going as fast or or had
Speaker 3: that were a little bit easier you could the It's
Speaker 3: almost like the quality control of this show was like
Speaker 3: less quality control, and they shot these amazing things, yes
Speaker 3: that that were really good that you couldn't you couldn't do.
Speaker 4: On any other show.
Speaker 3: And again, I think I think the narrative that I
Speaker 3: kept telling myself throughout in a in a in an
Speaker 3: environment where that the ratings kept persistently dwindling, that we
Speaker 3: kept saying like, ah, we're not doing it as well
Speaker 3: as we were before. And I don't think.
Speaker 4: That's entirely fair.
Speaker 3: I agree now like we're one hundred and something episodes in,
Speaker 3: so it's going to be different.
Speaker 4: You're right, I would get.
Speaker 3: I think I expressed my frustration with the pace and
Speaker 3: the exhaustion, often with some self self reference and sort
Speaker 3: of which I don't know quite why I did that,
Speaker 3: and I would do it a lot, and then I
Speaker 3: think I thought, I don't know it. Probably I would
Speaker 3: probably go back and change that and be like, you're
Speaker 3: quit breaking the fourth wall for you. That might be
Speaker 3: actually kind of disorienting for an audience member who for
Speaker 3: whom this world is still intact and real, right by
Speaker 3: virtue of like you know, snarky snarky recaps in Vulture
Speaker 3: plus a dwindling rating. I think i'd assumed, like, well, nobody,
Speaker 3: nobody considers this world intact anymore. That was the way
Speaker 3: I dealt with it, was to be like, oh no, no,
Speaker 3: this is still a bit of a house of cards,
Speaker 3: but like, look how clever we still are, and look
Speaker 3: how entertaining this.
Speaker 4: Show still is.
Speaker 5: Got it?
Speaker 3: I should have been I think we should have been
Speaker 3: more confident in the reality of the show, right and
Speaker 3: not rely on being like as gimmicky should My big
Speaker 3: thing is like we should never met. We should have
Speaker 3: never made like Quinn, like Lucy Cabussy, do you remember that?
Speaker 1: You never forget it, But it's like a bit of
Speaker 1: a It really undermines the reality of that character.
Speaker 3: It works for a moment, it's a great episode, but
Speaker 3: it's sort of if you watch after that, like Quin's
Speaker 3: her status totally changes, not.
Speaker 4: Like Queen Bee anymore.
Speaker 2: She never recovers for the rest of the show.
Speaker 5: Right, No, she doesn't, Right.
Speaker 3: And it was like, it's stuff like that that I
Speaker 3: think we would sort of do routinely that I now,
Speaker 3: like fifteen years later, i'd be like, oh, watch out
Speaker 3: for those like or be better at buying them back,
Speaker 3: or know that you're sort of like selling a character
Speaker 3: down the river. Maybe you because you're on the inside
Speaker 3: of it, you're not as attached too, but there is
Speaker 3: like there's a you're playing with the reality of a
Speaker 3: world that for like an audience is is still very real.
Speaker 3: But again, I thought, this world isn't as real as
Speaker 3: it would have been, so we should play around with
Speaker 3: it more like a little bit sort of like breaking
Speaker 3: forth wall, like more in the vocabulary, because I think
Speaker 3: we thought people would have been there weren't enough people
Speaker 3: who were still paying attention, which there were.
Speaker 2: I do think though you. I don't think you were
Speaker 2: doing the self referential stuff, for example, too much. In
Speaker 2: season six. To me, it felt more confident because the
Speaker 2: show started like that, the show's a satire. We would
Speaker 2: do that kind of stuff every now and then, and
Speaker 2: it felt more like season one to me in the
Speaker 2: way that because it wouldn't be belabored where I feel
Speaker 2: like sometimes in season five, in some of four maybe
Speaker 2: some of those things like we're just hitting it over
Speaker 2: the beating a dead horse sort of thing.
Speaker 5: But in season six.
Speaker 2: That was noticeable to me that it was like quick
Speaker 2: and like punchy, and that's why I like sort of
Speaker 2: sat up. I was like, oh, this is funny, Like
Speaker 2: Blaine is saying something like this, I believe it. And
Speaker 2: it does feel like that, Like to hear you say
Speaker 2: that now about sort of the state of mind for
Speaker 2: season six, I totally feel that, right, And you feel
Speaker 2: that in every single character where the old and the new,
Speaker 2: like everyone sort of feels liberated and lived in and
Speaker 2: the new characters feel lived in, but they fit in perfectly.
Speaker 2: And it also does feel like we're having to force
Speaker 2: these new kids on you, right.
Speaker 5: They like click in.
Speaker 1: What was it like, what was the conversation about bringing
Speaker 1: a whole group of new kids in to the school
Speaker 1: in the last season, did it feel like, no, question.
Speaker 2: Like that's not that much time. I feel like thirteen
Speaker 2: episodes and you're getting all propit kids on top of
Speaker 2: all of us who are already there.
Speaker 3: I mean, just the fact of the way you said
Speaker 3: that like gave me a little bit of stomach ache.
Speaker 5: Just now.
Speaker 4: Back then I would have been like, who are they?
Speaker 4: Is it the Twins?
Speaker 1: Yes, the Twins, Roderick, Jane who was originally going to
Speaker 1: be a Warbler and came over.
Speaker 5: We've got uh.
Speaker 2: And that's Madison the Twins, Spencer who's the out gay footballer.
Speaker 2: But like that's right, post post postmodern gay.
Speaker 4: Yea yeah, yea, yeah yeah. I like Jane a lot.
Speaker 3: She was fun and she was easy to write towards. Yeah,
Speaker 3: the Twins, I don't know that I wrote all that much.
Speaker 1: They were funny, what they're great though, And roderg was
Speaker 1: like the new one with like the amazing poice and
Speaker 1: it was very brief, but like it gave Rachel and
Speaker 1: Kurt yes a glee club, right, and he gave them
Speaker 1: the vehicle for them to lead a glee club simultaneously
Speaker 1: together as you know co teachers, which I enjoyed, and
Speaker 1: they're very funny together.
Speaker 3: Like you have to actually, this is what's been wild,
Speaker 3: Like no nobody you have to also like teach m
Speaker 3: it's a j school.
Speaker 2: And they're very quickly falling into like shoe pattern where
Speaker 2: they're not really coming up with a lesson until the
Speaker 2: day of because they heard somebody say.
Speaker 5: Something inspired writing something down the ball?
Speaker 4: Did we do?
Speaker 3: Is there more of doing this song where it's like
Speaker 3: I just wrote this song.
Speaker 2: But it's like, fully, no, there there haven't been that
Speaker 2: many more original songs well that yes, yes, oh yes,
Speaker 2: there's fully the like and then Santana and Brittany were like,
Speaker 2: we'll show you how to do it, and the band's
Speaker 2: ready to go.
Speaker 4: And that's classic.
Speaker 3: But again, once it's sort of baked in that, you're like, well,
Speaker 3: this is sort of what the theme of the show
Speaker 3: is going to be.
Speaker 4: That's sort of like how we do.
Speaker 3: That's the show's structure. I probably felt less squeamish about
Speaker 3: doing that in this season than prior ones.
Speaker 2: Sure it feels like that, and Jane has this incredible
Speaker 2: speech to Matt about about how he's never even acknowledged
Speaker 2: the presence of any of the band and they're just
Speaker 2: expected to know all of these songs. And she goes
Speaker 2: on this whole round and it's the only sort of
Speaker 2: like normal thing she ever says on the show, and
Speaker 2: everything she says to Matt, it's just like, yeah that
Speaker 2: actually yes, she was like a recap of all of
Speaker 2: his horrible things he's done the entirety of six seasons.
Speaker 2: It was very good.
Speaker 1: It's really funny, very funny. She's still just she still
Speaker 1: slaps still got it. Season five, Season six, as you heard,
Speaker 1: was a joozy. I feel better that Ian doesn't remember
Speaker 1: as much. It doesn't make It makes me feel better
Speaker 1: about myself and how little that we remember.
Speaker 2: Oh this whole experience is healing for.
Speaker 1: This reasears Yeah, yeah no, but as you can see,
Speaker 1: it was clearly very traumatic and jarring for us in
Speaker 1: many many ways. And also like just the I don't know,
Speaker 1: it's insightful to hear like his take on and like
Speaker 1: not wanting to leave McKinley at all, like.
Speaker 5: I were.
Speaker 2: Like that was not our situation is fascinating.
Speaker 1: His mindset of just being like This is a show,
Speaker 1: a show about a show, choir like show about a school.
Speaker 1: Don't leave the school. So it's fascinating. Anyway, there's a
Speaker 1: part two, y'all. Uh, there's more to talk about. Hurt
Speaker 1: Locker is a very very large part of that and
Speaker 1: we dive, we have to dive deep into that. So
Speaker 1: he'll be back next week with Part two. Ian Brennan,
Speaker 1: Stay tuned and.
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