1 00:00:00,680 --> 00:00:04,200 Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Mollie John Fast and this is Fast Politics, 2 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:07,160 Speaker 1: where we discuss the top political headlines with some of 3 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:11,680 Speaker 1: today's best minds. And Governor Ronda Santis, or as he's 4 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:16,400 Speaker 1: known Tiny D. His ban on gender affirming care has 5 00:00:16,440 --> 00:00:19,400 Speaker 1: been overturned by a federal judge. We have a great 6 00:00:19,400 --> 00:00:23,759 Speaker 1: show today. Representative Yavette Clark stops by to talk to 7 00:00:23,840 --> 00:00:26,600 Speaker 1: us about the need to regulate AI and it's actually 8 00:00:26,680 --> 00:00:29,639 Speaker 1: a really fun interview. Then we'll talk to historian Kevin 9 00:00:29,720 --> 00:00:32,920 Speaker 1: Cruz about the precedent of third party candidates and. 10 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:35,320 Speaker 2: How it works out not well. 11 00:00:35,800 --> 00:00:41,600 Speaker 1: But first we have the host of the Time of Monsters, 12 00:00:42,120 --> 00:00:44,040 Speaker 1: the Nation's get here. 13 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:47,120 Speaker 2: Welcome back to Fast Politics. 14 00:00:47,159 --> 00:00:51,560 Speaker 3: Geet here, welcome back to having me on Fast Politics. 15 00:00:51,720 --> 00:00:53,640 Speaker 3: Weally you Foster. 16 00:00:55,840 --> 00:01:00,319 Speaker 1: Yes, very excited to have you, and especially because I 17 00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:03,920 Speaker 1: feel like everything and again, I feel like every time 18 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:06,200 Speaker 1: I say this, I'm like tempting the gods. But it 19 00:01:06,360 --> 00:01:10,400 Speaker 1: seems very much like everything has actually gotten stupid since 20 00:01:10,440 --> 00:01:11,520 Speaker 1: the last time we talked. 21 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:14,200 Speaker 3: Yes, you know, there's a victimating philosophy. Are we living 22 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:16,520 Speaker 3: in the best of all possible worlds? Are we living 23 00:01:16,520 --> 00:01:19,000 Speaker 3: in the worst of all possible worlds, and I've come 24 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:20,920 Speaker 3: to the collusion. Yes, we are living in the stupidest 25 00:01:20,959 --> 00:01:24,080 Speaker 3: of all possible worlds. And that was really shaped by 26 00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:27,240 Speaker 3: a news idea I saw earlier this week where Cardie 27 00:01:27,319 --> 00:01:31,440 Speaker 3: b is fighting with the submarine steps On and I thought, like, 28 00:01:31,959 --> 00:01:35,440 Speaker 3: in what possible universe could like this happened and be 29 00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:38,679 Speaker 3: a good news story, except in the stupidest of all 30 00:01:38,720 --> 00:01:39,479 Speaker 3: possible worlds. 31 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:43,080 Speaker 1: I'm going to raise you one here because I want 32 00:01:43,360 --> 00:01:49,559 Speaker 1: to get involved in little Bitchgate. Marjorie Taylor Green, who 33 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:54,080 Speaker 1: as you know, is known for her racism, her stupidity, 34 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:58,160 Speaker 1: her or whatever, is in a fight with Lauren Bobert 35 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:02,200 Speaker 1: and called her a little bit discuss. 36 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:03,880 Speaker 3: Well, I'm gonna talk a little bit of turns, just 37 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:07,720 Speaker 3: as the Father of Three Girls, although this would be 38 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:09,400 Speaker 3: the same as I about the Father of Three Boys, 39 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:12,519 Speaker 3: which is if you deal with children, you're forced to 40 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:16,519 Speaker 3: deal with cigama and a social interaction where they get 41 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:20,359 Speaker 3: into these petty fights, which is like you're copying me, 42 00:02:20,680 --> 00:02:23,639 Speaker 3: you're idiot, you're stupid, you're a little words that we 43 00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:26,320 Speaker 3: don't want our kids to use. I was like reminded 44 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:29,120 Speaker 3: those and like, it really does seem like this is 45 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:32,799 Speaker 3: sort of like a junior high school drama played out 46 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:35,200 Speaker 3: in the halls of Congress. I mean having said that, 47 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:37,280 Speaker 3: like this is like no worse than anything else that 48 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:39,919 Speaker 3: Republicans could be doing, and perhaps even a little bit 49 00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:42,239 Speaker 3: better because at least it's entertaining. 50 00:02:42,440 --> 00:02:46,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, I have to say, as stupid crap goes, I mean, 51 00:02:46,720 --> 00:02:50,960 Speaker 1: they're also like booing McCarthy. I mean, I know we 52 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:54,560 Speaker 1: say this every day, but like, has McCarthy completely lost 53 00:02:54,960 --> 00:02:56,239 Speaker 1: control of his caucus? 54 00:02:56,600 --> 00:02:59,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think that he has control. And they 55 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:02,639 Speaker 3: can really unite in a negative way, right, Like we're 56 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:05,359 Speaker 3: in the age of negative polarization. I think there's even 57 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:08,560 Speaker 3: more true of Republicans and the Democrats, and so they 58 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:11,240 Speaker 3: can unite to what they did with Adam Schiff, you know, 59 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:12,960 Speaker 3: like I to impeach Joe Biden. 60 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:15,960 Speaker 1: Isn't the beginning of this fight that they both wanted 61 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:16,880 Speaker 1: to impeach. 62 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:19,120 Speaker 2: Biden and had different mechanisms for it. 63 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:22,040 Speaker 3: Well, that's why I brought the junior grade school because 64 00:03:22,080 --> 00:03:26,120 Speaker 3: that is actually a conversation I hear in among young people, 65 00:03:26,160 --> 00:03:28,440 Speaker 3: like you're copying me, you know, like I was doing 66 00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:31,440 Speaker 3: that first, you know, like I was drawing snoopy and 67 00:03:31,440 --> 00:03:34,040 Speaker 3: then now you're drawing snoopy right. You know, in the 68 00:03:34,080 --> 00:03:39,160 Speaker 3: absence of substantive politics, all you have are like free 69 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:44,760 Speaker 3: floating petty grudges and narcissism and partisanship. And that's what 70 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:46,840 Speaker 3: we're seeing play out right, Like it just that's all 71 00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:47,240 Speaker 3: they have. 72 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:50,720 Speaker 2: It seems kind of amazing. So we have this house. 73 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:54,680 Speaker 1: They can't pass their messaging bills, they can't figure out 74 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:58,360 Speaker 1: what they're going to do, these Republicans in the House. McCarthy, 75 00:03:58,480 --> 00:04:00,800 Speaker 1: you think he ends up getting to stay or you 76 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:01,600 Speaker 1: think this is the. 77 00:04:01,640 --> 00:04:02,080 Speaker 2: End of it? 78 00:04:02,680 --> 00:04:05,000 Speaker 3: Hard to predict. I mean, if I would to say anything, 79 00:04:05,320 --> 00:04:08,360 Speaker 3: I don't see how he can stay for a long day. Yeah, 80 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:11,280 Speaker 3: I do kind of see an implosion coming. I mean, 81 00:04:11,280 --> 00:04:13,680 Speaker 3: I think the longer, more positive thing is that this 82 00:04:13,720 --> 00:04:16,680 Speaker 3: gives the Democrats a really great thing to run on 83 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:18,000 Speaker 3: to regain the House. 84 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:20,680 Speaker 1: So I want to talk to you about something that 85 00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:23,839 Speaker 1: I think you'll appreciate. I just read a little article 86 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:29,880 Speaker 1: about how much cable news networks, even the non right leaning, 87 00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:33,440 Speaker 1: the normal ones, spend a lot of time. And it's 88 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:36,039 Speaker 1: funny because I've been on panels like this too, and 89 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:38,360 Speaker 1: mainstream media does this a lot where they spend a 90 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:41,640 Speaker 1: lot of time talking about Biden's age, doue, like that's 91 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:45,039 Speaker 1: a favorite topic, and he is incredibly old, but they 92 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:49,480 Speaker 1: don't talk about the fact that he is three years 93 00:04:49,640 --> 00:04:50,880 Speaker 1: older than Trump. 94 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:52,760 Speaker 2: I mean, do you think that's strange? 95 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:55,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, I kind of think that's except that I think 96 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:58,480 Speaker 3: a lot of these things are driven by polgical messaging 97 00:04:58,520 --> 00:05:00,960 Speaker 3: from the parties. So the demo creds have not really 98 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:05,320 Speaker 3: made Trump's age and issue because it's surprise, surprise. There's 99 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:08,080 Speaker 3: like a hundred other things about the guy that right 100 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:10,880 Speaker 3: to me, right, you know, like he tried to pull 101 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:13,400 Speaker 3: a coup. You know, he's corrupted as well, he's under 102 00:05:13,440 --> 00:05:16,719 Speaker 3: criminal investigation and indictment. You don't need to talk about 103 00:05:16,760 --> 00:05:19,640 Speaker 3: his age. The Republicans have really hammered on his age 104 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:22,680 Speaker 3: and they keep doing it. They have a lot of 105 00:05:23,080 --> 00:05:27,000 Speaker 3: ads and had tweets. Their people talk about Biden's age 106 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:29,000 Speaker 3: all the time. And this is really an example of 107 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:32,400 Speaker 3: which how the media follows the messaging cues of the 108 00:05:32,440 --> 00:05:33,200 Speaker 3: Republican Party. 109 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:38,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, just unbelievable, right, I mean, sort of shocking. 110 00:05:39,320 --> 00:05:42,039 Speaker 3: It's shocking, except that I think this is what Josh 111 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:44,680 Speaker 3: Marshall talks about a lot, which is that the Republican 112 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:48,440 Speaker 3: Party and the media have a symbiotic relationship where going 113 00:05:48,520 --> 00:05:50,760 Speaker 3: back to the Reagan era, where there I think a 114 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:52,880 Speaker 3: lot of people a mainstream party have just decided the 115 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:57,920 Speaker 3: Republicans are, despite all evidence and despite all elections, the 116 00:05:57,960 --> 00:06:02,360 Speaker 3: mainstream American political party, and if they say something then 117 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:04,719 Speaker 3: that's like, well, that's something that has to dominate the 118 00:06:04,760 --> 00:06:07,240 Speaker 3: Sunday talk shows. You know. I think there's a sector 119 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:10,720 Speaker 3: of the media that is very geared despite everything, to 120 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:15,279 Speaker 3: treating the Republicans as the serious, growing up mainstream party. 121 00:06:15,560 --> 00:06:18,200 Speaker 1: I mean, is it that sort of brilliant lie that 122 00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:22,160 Speaker 1: Republicans have convinced the media they're too lefty and so 123 00:06:22,279 --> 00:06:25,960 Speaker 1: they have to sort of go along with a Republican 124 00:06:26,040 --> 00:06:28,560 Speaker 1: narrative and the way they might not if they weren't 125 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:30,480 Speaker 1: worried about appearing to lefty. 126 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:32,640 Speaker 3: Yeah. No, I think there's a bit of brilliant sort 127 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:34,520 Speaker 3: of working of the refs. But I mean a lot 128 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:35,720 Speaker 3: of it. I mean, if you look at what's happening 129 00:06:35,760 --> 00:06:37,520 Speaker 3: as CNN, a lot of because of the fact that 130 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:39,800 Speaker 3: a lot of media is just corporate and so you know, 131 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:43,360 Speaker 3: the people working there including the hosts or whatever might 132 00:06:43,400 --> 00:06:47,240 Speaker 3: be lean liberal or lean funterest even, but the people 133 00:06:47,279 --> 00:06:50,880 Speaker 3: owning these companies are you know, they're they're pretty standard Republicans, 134 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:54,080 Speaker 3: and they're always putting pressure, you know, like, why are 135 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:56,360 Speaker 3: I hearing you know, these GOP talking points. 136 00:06:56,600 --> 00:07:00,000 Speaker 1: I went to a party the other night and there 137 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:03,880 Speaker 1: are a lot of wealthy, very wealthy people, and this 138 00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:07,400 Speaker 1: conversation moved to a thing that I hear a lot 139 00:07:07,440 --> 00:07:10,360 Speaker 1: of wealthy people talk about, which is how little they're 140 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:13,960 Speaker 1: allowed to talk about that they can't they don't have 141 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:17,680 Speaker 1: free speed. I wondered if this was just bullshit they 142 00:07:17,760 --> 00:07:20,960 Speaker 1: say in order because they just don't want to pay taxes, 143 00:07:21,560 --> 00:07:24,720 Speaker 1: or if they really do feel like any kind of 144 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:27,680 Speaker 1: accountability on speech is somehow censorship. 145 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:30,240 Speaker 3: Well, I think it's the old saying that you know, 146 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:33,480 Speaker 3: like if you're privileged, then you know, a quality looks 147 00:07:33,520 --> 00:07:36,000 Speaker 3: like a person. Right. They've been used to get, you know, 148 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:40,160 Speaker 3: having their speech dominate for years and not get challenged. 149 00:07:40,400 --> 00:07:42,960 Speaker 3: I mean that's the thing. Now they can still say 150 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:44,440 Speaker 3: all the things they believe, but they're going to get 151 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:45,880 Speaker 3: challenged and they're going. 152 00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:46,520 Speaker 4: To be made fun of it. 153 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:48,600 Speaker 3: I think this is the sort of way in which 154 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:52,400 Speaker 3: social media led to this panic about wokeness, which is 155 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:54,480 Speaker 3: really a paic about the fact that if you say 156 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:57,520 Speaker 3: something dumb, right wing things then you will actually get 157 00:07:57,560 --> 00:08:00,480 Speaker 3: people like people made fun of funny. Yeah, I think 158 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:02,600 Speaker 3: there's you know, there's a class of rich people that 159 00:08:02,680 --> 00:08:05,320 Speaker 3: find that intolerable that you know, like the peasants are 160 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:07,440 Speaker 3: revolting as well. 161 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:08,800 Speaker 4: Brooks likes to say. 162 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:10,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, just unbelievable. 163 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:15,120 Speaker 1: And in fact, I've been listening to Gorvidal's essays from 164 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:17,640 Speaker 1: a million years ago and they're very and there's a 165 00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:20,080 Speaker 1: lot of stuff in there that's, you know, that is 166 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:21,320 Speaker 1: not how we write. 167 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:22,240 Speaker 2: Or talk anymore. 168 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:25,560 Speaker 1: But what I think is so interesting is he talks 169 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:29,920 Speaker 1: about the people who were so against the Equal Rights 170 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:33,320 Speaker 1: Amendment being passed and the kind of scare tactics they 171 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:36,840 Speaker 1: used women using men's bathrooms. 172 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:39,040 Speaker 2: Right, it's all the same stuff. 173 00:08:38,880 --> 00:08:41,560 Speaker 3: No, exactly. I know, the panic has come back a 174 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:44,640 Speaker 3: long time and there's nothing new under the sun for 175 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:46,880 Speaker 3: all that. I think the new aspect is what you 176 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:49,000 Speaker 3: have zero did on, which is that I think the 177 00:08:49,160 --> 00:08:52,280 Speaker 3: rich in particular feel imperiled, and I think that they're 178 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:54,800 Speaker 3: the ones that are funding a lot of these sort 179 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:58,480 Speaker 3: of anti Wook campaigns and making that part of politics 180 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:00,920 Speaker 3: because they do feel threatened that, you know, they're not 181 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:03,440 Speaker 3: getting their way on everything as they're used to. 182 00:09:03,760 --> 00:09:05,839 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that was what I was struck by. 183 00:09:05,960 --> 00:09:09,480 Speaker 1: And the you know, the seriousness with which these people 184 00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:12,520 Speaker 1: take themselves was I mean good for them, you know. 185 00:09:12,800 --> 00:09:16,040 Speaker 3: But well you know, I mean I mean, like, honestly, 186 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:18,880 Speaker 3: I think for rich people's actually I think you know, 187 00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:21,280 Speaker 3: the sort of revolt that we're seeing, this sort of 188 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:24,679 Speaker 3: you know, uprising and challenging is actually good for them. 189 00:09:24,679 --> 00:09:26,480 Speaker 3: But they're not going to appreciate it. But I mean 190 00:09:26,520 --> 00:09:28,760 Speaker 3: it's good to have. If you're used to always getting 191 00:09:28,760 --> 00:09:30,960 Speaker 3: your own way, that makes you a very poor judge 192 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:32,959 Speaker 3: of things in life, and you know, you actually need 193 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:35,600 Speaker 3: someone to say, like, you shouldn't get into this like 194 00:09:35,679 --> 00:09:41,040 Speaker 3: submarine that's just like a tin cab operated by a 195 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:42,160 Speaker 3: little computer module. 196 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:43,560 Speaker 4: It just makes no sense. 197 00:09:43,640 --> 00:09:45,880 Speaker 3: Like if you're used to getting your own way and 198 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:48,480 Speaker 3: always being surrounded by yes people, you're you're not going 199 00:09:48,559 --> 00:09:51,440 Speaker 3: to have that you know, common sense grounding in reality 200 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:52,640 Speaker 3: that the rest of us have. 201 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:55,240 Speaker 1: I mean, it is it's I mean, I do think 202 00:09:55,280 --> 00:09:58,640 Speaker 1: that thing you just said we're fairness, The quest for fairness, 203 00:09:58,679 --> 00:10:02,199 Speaker 1: the interest in fairness looks like oppression to them. I mean, right, 204 00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:04,720 Speaker 1: none of us is fair, right, We're just trying to 205 00:10:05,080 --> 00:10:09,480 Speaker 1: you know, have a little bit less wealth inequality. 206 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:10,800 Speaker 2: And that is infuriating to them. 207 00:10:10,920 --> 00:10:14,439 Speaker 1: I do think it's interesting because like we see, you know, 208 00:10:14,559 --> 00:10:17,280 Speaker 1: what we've seen with Twitter is what happens when very 209 00:10:17,400 --> 00:10:21,559 Speaker 1: rich people get the platform, right, get famous, and get 210 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:24,000 Speaker 1: to say whatever they want. And what I think is 211 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:28,080 Speaker 1: so interesting is like they are really surprised how much 212 00:10:28,120 --> 00:10:29,360 Speaker 1: the rest of us don't like them. 213 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:31,880 Speaker 3: Oh absolutely, absolutely, yeah. I mean that this is the 214 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:35,200 Speaker 3: whole be al Musk story as well, right, you know, 215 00:10:35,280 --> 00:10:37,800 Speaker 3: I mean he was okay with being a Democrat as 216 00:10:37,840 --> 00:10:40,040 Speaker 3: long as that nothing he was interested in it was 217 00:10:40,080 --> 00:10:42,440 Speaker 3: being challenged, you know. But you know, once you add 218 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:46,480 Speaker 3: like black Lives Matter and trans right and even if 219 00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:49,280 Speaker 3: people talking about taxation, he feels like under thread and 220 00:10:49,280 --> 00:10:51,760 Speaker 3: so you know, like, okay, I'm gonna buy Twitter and 221 00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:53,720 Speaker 3: make it like ebegal to use the word cis. 222 00:10:53,920 --> 00:10:57,560 Speaker 1: That whole illegal to use the word cis thing. He 223 00:10:57,840 --> 00:10:59,360 Speaker 1: has a trans kid. 224 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:01,360 Speaker 3: He has a tran kid who he does not speak to. 225 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:03,400 Speaker 3: And you know who has decided not to be part 226 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:05,480 Speaker 3: of his life anymore. I mean, when the biography of 227 00:11:05,480 --> 00:11:07,880 Speaker 3: Elon must gets thridden, I think it'll be fascinating. But 228 00:11:08,280 --> 00:11:10,240 Speaker 3: I think it is a case of one of these 229 00:11:10,240 --> 00:11:12,880 Speaker 3: privileged people that could not get what he wanted and 230 00:11:13,280 --> 00:11:15,560 Speaker 3: could not deal with alternative points of view, and it 231 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:18,640 Speaker 3: really drove him crazy. It is an amazing thing that, Yeah, 232 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:21,760 Speaker 3: the fact that Elon Musk could not handle having a 233 00:11:21,800 --> 00:11:26,080 Speaker 3: trans kid like drove him to like this insanity of like, 234 00:11:26,160 --> 00:11:28,920 Speaker 3: you know, like losing billions of dollars by buying Twitter, 235 00:11:29,240 --> 00:11:33,400 Speaker 3: and then also wrecking it and destroying his reputation by 236 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:36,160 Speaker 3: you know, like you like, really openly aligning with the 237 00:11:36,200 --> 00:11:39,440 Speaker 3: far right. It's just like an amazing kind of thing 238 00:11:39,520 --> 00:11:41,560 Speaker 3: to happen. It is just what we've been talking about 239 00:11:41,559 --> 00:11:44,640 Speaker 3: throughout this whole conversation. Just a little bit of challenge 240 00:11:44,960 --> 00:11:45,760 Speaker 3: is too much for them. 241 00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:50,040 Speaker 1: It really does feel like the Telltale Heart or something 242 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:55,440 Speaker 1: some kind of Victorian novel where somebody goes insane from nothing. 243 00:11:55,880 --> 00:11:58,319 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I know, absolutely, absolutely, yeah, except I think 244 00:11:58,320 --> 00:12:00,840 Speaker 3: a lot is preemptive. I just said, we're only just 245 00:12:00,880 --> 00:12:04,400 Speaker 3: talking about fairness. But I think that they can imagine, 246 00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:07,240 Speaker 3: like well, what if people actually did something and I 247 00:12:07,240 --> 00:12:12,160 Speaker 3: think they're really preemptively trying to prevent like further social change. 248 00:12:12,240 --> 00:12:14,040 Speaker 2: Oh yes, I think that's right now. 249 00:12:14,280 --> 00:12:16,839 Speaker 1: The question I have is like, we're you know, it's 250 00:12:16,880 --> 00:12:20,920 Speaker 1: another one of these really really scary hot summers where 251 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:24,840 Speaker 1: it's too hot and the Texas power grid is hanging 252 00:12:24,920 --> 00:12:29,000 Speaker 1: by a thread and we have tornadoes and you know, 253 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:32,160 Speaker 1: it's the warmest the Atlantic has ever been. I mean 254 00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:34,120 Speaker 1: I just saw someone right like people aren't going to 255 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:36,400 Speaker 1: be able to survive summers in Texas soon. 256 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:38,679 Speaker 2: I mean, does this just keep going on? 257 00:12:38,760 --> 00:12:41,280 Speaker 1: Does anyone ever stop and go like, oh my god, 258 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:44,359 Speaker 1: we're so fucked we have to do something or no, never. 259 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:47,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know. I mean it's very hard to say, 260 00:12:47,520 --> 00:12:50,320 Speaker 3: except that I want to say that there are some 261 00:12:50,400 --> 00:12:53,400 Speaker 3: positive developments, like I do think like you know, renewables 262 00:12:53,440 --> 00:12:55,760 Speaker 3: are getting better and better, and I think we should 263 00:12:55,800 --> 00:12:58,679 Speaker 3: fall under dumrism. But yeah, they're very heading for very 264 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:01,560 Speaker 3: bad times. I think that you have to just write 265 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:04,120 Speaker 3: off a certain check of the population that you know, 266 00:13:04,160 --> 00:13:06,480 Speaker 3: like even if it gets like one hundred and fifty degrees, 267 00:13:06,800 --> 00:13:11,360 Speaker 3: they're going to be like doctor Foci, did this you know, like, well. 268 00:13:11,360 --> 00:13:12,840 Speaker 2: That's what we've seen from COVID. 269 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:16,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, and they will come up with these weird conspiracy theories, 270 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:19,400 Speaker 3: you know, like facts themselves don't change. Yet. I think 271 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:22,000 Speaker 3: the only hope is that we do see the kind 272 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:26,120 Speaker 3: of social movements we've seen, like you know, on climate action, 273 00:13:26,960 --> 00:13:29,560 Speaker 3: with people like Greta Thenberg, and you know, like, oh, 274 00:13:29,880 --> 00:13:31,840 Speaker 3: I think that's the only hope that if you have 275 00:13:31,960 --> 00:13:35,080 Speaker 3: bachel movements of people that try to change ploysical thinking, 276 00:13:35,440 --> 00:13:37,720 Speaker 3: then you can get that. But I think that break 277 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:40,280 Speaker 3: from the start, you have to write off thirty three 278 00:13:40,280 --> 00:13:43,479 Speaker 3: percent of the populis shure never gonna acknowledge what's happening. 279 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:46,920 Speaker 1: Right, But I mean, can you fix climate change if 280 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:49,240 Speaker 1: you have such a large percentage in the country that 281 00:13:49,280 --> 00:13:50,520 Speaker 1: doesn't believe it's happening. 282 00:13:50,840 --> 00:13:52,640 Speaker 3: I think that's really hard. And I think in some ways, 283 00:13:52,679 --> 00:13:55,480 Speaker 3: I mean, you went to the COVID, and COVID kind 284 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:58,520 Speaker 3: of shows the problem with a collective action in a 285 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:02,600 Speaker 3: society where a big chunk of the population rejects rational science. 286 00:14:02,840 --> 00:14:05,560 Speaker 3: I don't know. I think that's the great challenge of 287 00:14:05,640 --> 00:14:06,080 Speaker 3: our time. 288 00:14:06,520 --> 00:14:09,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't feel as doo Marie as I do. 289 00:14:09,160 --> 00:14:11,959 Speaker 3: Right, I mean, I think, you know, like the science 290 00:14:12,040 --> 00:14:14,280 Speaker 3: is pretty rough in terms of what we're heading for. 291 00:14:14,920 --> 00:14:16,520 Speaker 3: On the other hand, I do actually see like there's 292 00:14:16,559 --> 00:14:18,760 Speaker 3: a lot of people are organizing, and I think that's 293 00:14:18,840 --> 00:14:20,560 Speaker 3: the one all that if you can get a sort 294 00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:23,240 Speaker 3: of a political place where people are like pushing for 295 00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:25,880 Speaker 3: positive change, then I think a lot of these problems 296 00:14:25,880 --> 00:14:28,400 Speaker 3: are actually not totally solvable, but we can get to 297 00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:31,000 Speaker 3: a livable future with the technology that we have. 298 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:33,560 Speaker 2: What are the things you're watching right now. 299 00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:35,640 Speaker 3: Well, I mean the courts and what's happening with the courts. 300 00:14:35,720 --> 00:14:38,800 Speaker 3: June is the month of court decisions where see some 301 00:14:38,920 --> 00:14:42,280 Speaker 3: really bad ones coming out, especially like no, I think 302 00:14:42,400 --> 00:14:44,120 Speaker 3: this doesn't get as much attention because it's a lot 303 00:14:44,120 --> 00:14:47,360 Speaker 3: of sex seep with the law, criminal justice stuff, terrible stuff. 304 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:50,000 Speaker 3: I mean, like basically the current decision that came out today, 305 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:53,040 Speaker 3: like even if you're innocent, you're not gonna yeah, you 306 00:14:53,080 --> 00:14:56,400 Speaker 3: get your right strip. I just think that's terrible stuff. 307 00:14:56,600 --> 00:14:59,520 Speaker 3: And then the good point is that the political reputation 308 00:14:59,560 --> 00:15:01,400 Speaker 3: of the court is an all time low. I just 309 00:15:01,480 --> 00:15:04,920 Speaker 3: saw it's only like twenty nine percent of Americans have 310 00:15:04,960 --> 00:15:05,880 Speaker 3: faith in the courts. 311 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:08,120 Speaker 2: They're very unpopular yeah, and. 312 00:15:08,400 --> 00:15:10,080 Speaker 3: You know, like as they said in the Wolf of 313 00:15:10,120 --> 00:15:13,840 Speaker 3: Wall Street, those are rookie numbers. You know, let's be 314 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:16,840 Speaker 3: getting about there. Well, let's get the you know, let's 315 00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:18,040 Speaker 3: get them to zero percent. 316 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:19,840 Speaker 5: Right. But I mean, what's happening. 317 00:15:19,880 --> 00:15:22,840 Speaker 3: I think that we're heading towards a real like constitutional 318 00:15:22,840 --> 00:15:25,280 Speaker 3: crisis with the courts if they keep putting out like 319 00:15:25,440 --> 00:15:29,800 Speaker 3: unpopular decisions and are also blatantly corrupt, you know, as 320 00:15:29,880 --> 00:15:32,840 Speaker 3: we saw with this recent Leito story. Yeah, I'm hoping 321 00:15:32,880 --> 00:15:35,920 Speaker 3: that even though the Democrats are reluctant to have this fight, 322 00:15:36,280 --> 00:15:38,840 Speaker 3: I think public opinion might drive them to this, that 323 00:15:39,240 --> 00:15:41,760 Speaker 3: there's going to be a reckoning with the courts. 324 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:45,440 Speaker 1: I think there's no way that they that doesn't happen. Yeah, 325 00:15:45,640 --> 00:15:49,760 Speaker 1: I mean it's their job, you know, it's Democrats job. 326 00:15:49,920 --> 00:15:52,920 Speaker 1: Like people are so angry about the courts. 327 00:15:53,320 --> 00:15:56,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's their job. But I mean, you know, the 328 00:15:56,480 --> 00:15:58,800 Speaker 3: current leadership, I don't know if what they're going to do. 329 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:01,680 Speaker 3: I mean, Dick Durbin, he doesn't have a fighter's instinct. 330 00:16:01,840 --> 00:16:04,480 Speaker 3: His instinct is to write an angry letter, or not 331 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:08,760 Speaker 3: even angry letter, mildly annoyed letter to John Roberts, Right, 332 00:16:08,960 --> 00:16:10,280 Speaker 3: but with new leadership. 333 00:16:10,320 --> 00:16:14,840 Speaker 2: I think things could change so interesting. Thank you so much, Cheat, 334 00:16:14,920 --> 00:16:16,000 Speaker 2: I hope you will come back. 335 00:16:16,280 --> 00:16:18,239 Speaker 3: Yeah, of course, I always enjoyed BEINGR. 336 00:16:21,920 --> 00:16:27,320 Speaker 1: Congresswoman of Vet Clark represents New York's ninth district. Welcome 337 00:16:27,360 --> 00:16:30,480 Speaker 1: to Fast Politics, Representative Clark. 338 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:32,360 Speaker 5: Well, thank you for having me, Molly, great to be 339 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:32,760 Speaker 5: with you. 340 00:16:33,160 --> 00:16:37,000 Speaker 1: I'm really glad to have you, and I am really 341 00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:41,360 Speaker 1: interested in talking to you about AI regulation, which is 342 00:16:41,880 --> 00:16:44,480 Speaker 1: I feel like this is like another opportunity to for 343 00:16:44,640 --> 00:16:49,760 Speaker 1: Congress to finally do some tech regulation that they've shied 344 00:16:49,800 --> 00:16:50,640 Speaker 1: away from before. 345 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:52,080 Speaker 2: Can you talk to me about. 346 00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:54,320 Speaker 6: This, Juel or Well, let me just say that I've 347 00:16:54,440 --> 00:16:59,640 Speaker 6: introduced legislation that I think is, you know, really critical, 348 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:04,200 Speaker 6: particularly moving into this election season, and it's called the 349 00:17:04,600 --> 00:17:08,400 Speaker 6: Real Political Ads Act. It dawned on me because I've 350 00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:12,720 Speaker 6: been doing some work in legislating around deep fake technology 351 00:17:13,080 --> 00:17:16,320 Speaker 6: and some other concerns that I've had with the rapid 352 00:17:16,400 --> 00:17:21,800 Speaker 6: deployment of AI that with this upcoming election cycle, this 353 00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:25,040 Speaker 6: will be one of the first elections that we've had 354 00:17:25,160 --> 00:17:29,919 Speaker 6: where AI will be an integral part of what people 355 00:17:30,160 --> 00:17:35,480 Speaker 6: use to advertise their positions politically during a campaign. And 356 00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:38,240 Speaker 6: I thought about the fact that, you know, we're in 357 00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:42,680 Speaker 6: a very toxic political environment. Yes, as those who want 358 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:46,760 Speaker 6: to be deceptive, who want to harm their opponents for 359 00:17:46,840 --> 00:17:50,439 Speaker 6: the sake of winning an election, can really do some 360 00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:54,080 Speaker 6: damage with AI generated advertising. 361 00:17:54,240 --> 00:17:57,600 Speaker 2: And we've already seen this happen with the Trump campaign. 362 00:17:58,000 --> 00:17:58,760 Speaker 5: Absolutely. 363 00:17:59,119 --> 00:18:01,200 Speaker 1: Can you talk a little bit about that or was 364 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:03,000 Speaker 1: it the DeSantis campaign that did it? 365 00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:05,280 Speaker 5: Actually it was the r n C. 366 00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:08,800 Speaker 2: Oh, that's right, the RNC did. Jesus Christ, there was 367 00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:09,560 Speaker 2: the RNC. 368 00:18:10,040 --> 00:18:14,800 Speaker 6: And what they decided to do was create a video 369 00:18:15,280 --> 00:18:21,920 Speaker 6: using AI AI generated that really depicted President Biden in 370 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:26,960 Speaker 6: this dystopian us and you know, presiding over a nation 371 00:18:27,200 --> 00:18:30,400 Speaker 6: that you know, was just totally out of control and. 372 00:18:30,520 --> 00:18:31,400 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I remember. 373 00:18:31,600 --> 00:18:33,840 Speaker 5: And so it's just critical. 374 00:18:34,280 --> 00:18:37,760 Speaker 6: What they did, to their credit, was they did provide 375 00:18:38,240 --> 00:18:41,720 Speaker 6: a disclaimer, right. 376 00:18:41,600 --> 00:18:43,879 Speaker 2: Which there's no regulation that says they. 377 00:18:43,800 --> 00:18:47,800 Speaker 5: Have to exactly, but that's what my legislation does. 378 00:18:48,040 --> 00:18:54,600 Speaker 6: It essentially says, just like we have required in broadcasts 379 00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:57,840 Speaker 6: and you know, radio, there needs to be a disclaimer 380 00:18:58,600 --> 00:19:02,119 Speaker 6: so the American people and not the themed into believing 381 00:19:02,320 --> 00:19:06,120 Speaker 6: that what they're seeing in terms of political ads are real. 382 00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:09,960 Speaker 1: I'm just fact checking this Desanta's campaign shares a parent 383 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:13,920 Speaker 1: AI generated fake images of Trump and Faucci. So yes, 384 00:19:14,119 --> 00:19:16,400 Speaker 1: the Desanta's campaign also did it. 385 00:19:16,560 --> 00:19:22,080 Speaker 6: Shockingly, You're correct, My legislation doesn't necessarily address this, but 386 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:28,760 Speaker 6: the audio AI where people's voices are mimiced to you know, 387 00:19:28,880 --> 00:19:33,560 Speaker 6: the ultimate tone of someone sounding real. Right, there's a 388 00:19:33,600 --> 00:19:36,879 Speaker 6: lot for us to be concerned about in this moment. 389 00:19:36,920 --> 00:19:42,360 Speaker 6: I think that my legislation starts the ball rolling because 390 00:19:42,760 --> 00:19:45,160 Speaker 6: you know, I think that people are far. 391 00:19:45,119 --> 00:19:49,440 Speaker 5: More sensitive to be bombarded. 392 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:52,440 Speaker 6: By average I thing during you know, the highest political 393 00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:56,600 Speaker 6: seasons that you know, it can be very detrimental. It's 394 00:19:56,600 --> 00:20:01,000 Speaker 6: detrimental in it of itself when people are unable to 395 00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:05,520 Speaker 6: distnguish between what is real and what is spictitious and 396 00:20:05,560 --> 00:20:06,639 Speaker 6: generated by AI. 397 00:20:07,119 --> 00:20:08,919 Speaker 5: So there's a lot of work for us to do 398 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:09,560 Speaker 5: in this space. 399 00:20:09,560 --> 00:20:12,760 Speaker 6: But I think that you know, we can be gettn 400 00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:17,600 Speaker 6: by at least requiring disclaimers in this period of time 401 00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:20,800 Speaker 6: where we are going to be you know, engaged politically 402 00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:25,879 Speaker 6: and where we know that they unfortunately has been violently 403 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:29,560 Speaker 6: sparked in the context of our political seasons. 404 00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:33,040 Speaker 1: Does it seem like the Republicans in Congress seem very 405 00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:36,119 Speaker 1: busy fighting with each other and fighting with Kevin McCarthy 406 00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:40,199 Speaker 1: and calling each other terrible names. I mean, do you 407 00:20:40,320 --> 00:20:43,200 Speaker 1: think that you could conceivably get this through the House? 408 00:20:43,480 --> 00:20:47,800 Speaker 6: I was happy to hear that Senator Schumer and a 409 00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:52,600 Speaker 6: bipartisan group of senators are beginning to move at least with. 410 00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:53,879 Speaker 5: An examination of AI. 411 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:58,680 Speaker 6: I think that that high level of engagement may spark 412 00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:01,800 Speaker 6: some movement in the House. I'm going to push for 413 00:21:01,880 --> 00:21:05,240 Speaker 6: it as hard as I can, because you know, at 414 00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:07,119 Speaker 6: the end of the day, I'm in the minority. 415 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:08,760 Speaker 5: I've introduced the legislation. 416 00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:11,560 Speaker 6: It's going to, you know, require colleagues on the other 417 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:14,760 Speaker 6: side of the aisle seeing the significance of this, because 418 00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:16,959 Speaker 6: you know, the sword cuts both ways. 419 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:22,040 Speaker 1: They seem like they're in disarray. They are Nancy Pelosi 420 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:24,720 Speaker 1: when she was like that speech where she was. 421 00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:26,000 Speaker 2: Like, you all look miserable. 422 00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:26,399 Speaker 3: Er. 423 00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:29,520 Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a rough situation. 424 00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:31,840 Speaker 6: The thing about it is that we all pay the 425 00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:33,639 Speaker 6: price for their dysfunction, right. 426 00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:35,080 Speaker 5: You know, I. 427 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:37,760 Speaker 6: Would love to be able to sit back and just 428 00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:42,680 Speaker 6: laugh and you know, but I know you know as well, 429 00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:45,240 Speaker 6: you do, Molly, what's in state here? 430 00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:48,320 Speaker 5: We've seen political violence in our lifetime. 431 00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:49,320 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, recently. 432 00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:52,879 Speaker 6: Aside from all the other you know, dangers that have 433 00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:57,400 Speaker 6: out here, the self inflicted danger of people being deceived 434 00:21:57,920 --> 00:22:00,000 Speaker 6: into actions that they. 435 00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:02,960 Speaker 5: Control is not a good look for the United States. 436 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:05,600 Speaker 1: Just talk us through because I think our people, actually 437 00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:08,119 Speaker 1: our listeners will be really interested in this. When you 438 00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:11,320 Speaker 1: have a house like this where it's very tight, there's 439 00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:15,480 Speaker 1: a five seat majority if you wanted to theoretically, I mean, 440 00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:18,520 Speaker 1: we did pass a debt ceiling bill, so like their 441 00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:23,240 Speaker 1: bipartisan legislation can be passed, maybe with bad consequences towards 442 00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:26,040 Speaker 1: Kevin McCarthy, but I mean, life is life. But my 443 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:29,879 Speaker 1: question to you is if you needed to get this passed, 444 00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:32,800 Speaker 1: and it does seem in my mind like a bipartisan 445 00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:35,520 Speaker 1: thing a little bit, because you do have Republicans who 446 00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:39,040 Speaker 1: are you know, they hate TikTok, they have, you know, 447 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:42,560 Speaker 1: some anxieties about tech as well. They should do you 448 00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:45,399 Speaker 1: think it would work better to pass it in the 449 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:46,760 Speaker 1: Senate first. 450 00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:49,280 Speaker 5: You know, Like I said, I think that remains to 451 00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:49,840 Speaker 5: be seen. 452 00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:55,000 Speaker 6: However, with sort of the announcement by Chuck Schumer of 453 00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:59,560 Speaker 6: this bipartisan working that is taking it up, I think 454 00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:03,280 Speaker 6: it provides more pressure on the House to deal with 455 00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:06,520 Speaker 6: this and to deal with it like immediately, and like 456 00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:08,960 Speaker 6: I said, I think the lowest hanging group for us 457 00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:13,399 Speaker 6: would be dealing with political advertising, because that's right now. 458 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:15,280 Speaker 5: You know, that's right in front of us right now. 459 00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:19,880 Speaker 6: And what we're asking is not something that's far effected 460 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:25,280 Speaker 6: because we already required disclaimers in political advertising, like I said, 461 00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:28,919 Speaker 6: it either broadcasts or radio that we're just extending it 462 00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:34,200 Speaker 6: now to other platforms that you know didn't exist at 463 00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:38,240 Speaker 6: the point in time where that law went into effect. 464 00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:39,800 Speaker 5: It's not a heavy lift, Molly. 465 00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:44,679 Speaker 6: It's just getting sort of the right folks, starting with 466 00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:48,080 Speaker 6: the chairwoman of the Energy and Commerce Committee, you know, 467 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:51,199 Speaker 6: to mark up the bill and to get some you know, 468 00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:54,080 Speaker 6: Republican colleagues as coach sponsors, right. 469 00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:56,080 Speaker 2: And do you feel like there's an appetite for that. 470 00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:59,040 Speaker 6: I think that we can generate the right argument for 471 00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:02,080 Speaker 6: it now what's happening on the other side of the 472 00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:06,639 Speaker 6: island terms of their political strategized because they're not doing 473 00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:10,760 Speaker 6: a whole lot of governance. No will, we'll we'll dictate 474 00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:14,040 Speaker 6: it now. If they were in a governance mode, this 475 00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:16,760 Speaker 6: would be a no brainer. That wouldn't exist if they 476 00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:21,600 Speaker 6: were in a governance mode right exactly. So you know, listen, 477 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:24,160 Speaker 6: we've got a truck at the end of the day. 478 00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:28,280 Speaker 6: That's why we introduced the legislation. I'm not a defeatist 479 00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:32,119 Speaker 6: person by any stretch of the imagination. We're gonna cheep 480 00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:35,239 Speaker 6: probing colleagues on the other side of the isle. If 481 00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:38,560 Speaker 6: we can get them to focus, you know, for a 482 00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:42,800 Speaker 6: moment on doing the right thing, not only by the nation, 483 00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:46,119 Speaker 6: but you know, by each other, perhaps we can you know, 484 00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:50,600 Speaker 6: get this bill of moving in committee, and you know 485 00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:53,560 Speaker 6: that there'll be a Eureka moment where both the House 486 00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:55,680 Speaker 6: and the Senate can move to make this law. 487 00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:58,960 Speaker 1: The thing I'm struck by about AI is that, like 488 00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:02,239 Speaker 1: there was not the tech regulation we desperately needed in 489 00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:05,560 Speaker 1: this country, right, and there has been in Europe to 490 00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:08,080 Speaker 1: a certain extent a little bit better, but we really, 491 00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:12,680 Speaker 1: like government really sort of just flew it on that. 492 00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:15,920 Speaker 1: I feel like there's a feeling that this could be 493 00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:18,120 Speaker 1: a way to sort of make it right. 494 00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:18,840 Speaker 5: I hope. 495 00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:21,520 Speaker 6: So, I mean, there are a number of steps that 496 00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:25,840 Speaker 6: proceeded AI that we haven't dealt, right, So, just the 497 00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:30,200 Speaker 6: whole idea of privacy, data ownership things of that nature. 498 00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:31,359 Speaker 5: I mean, all of this thing. 499 00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:37,040 Speaker 6: Exists because the American people are basically, you know, giving 500 00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:40,760 Speaker 6: way their data in order to use the utility that 501 00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:43,959 Speaker 6: is the Internet. And every time we search, you know, 502 00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:48,200 Speaker 6: we go into big data and algorithms are deployed. We 503 00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:53,119 Speaker 6: have no just level of engagement with what is happening 504 00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:54,320 Speaker 6: to us. 505 00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:58,040 Speaker 5: And so it was really up to I believe. 506 00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:01,720 Speaker 6: Congress to set up the Guard to protect the American people. 507 00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:04,080 Speaker 6: And so we've done a number of hearings on privacy, 508 00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:06,440 Speaker 6: but nothing has moved yet. I've got a piece of 509 00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:10,760 Speaker 6: legislation in on you know, algorithmic bias at what damage 510 00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:13,920 Speaker 6: that can do to our society that hasn't been dealt 511 00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:18,280 Speaker 6: with yet. And AI is the convergence of both the 512 00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:23,639 Speaker 6: exposure to data and the algorithms that ultimately, you know, 513 00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:27,439 Speaker 6: govern sort of what we consume. It's sort of the 514 00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:30,439 Speaker 6: perfect marriage of both that at the end of the 515 00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:34,000 Speaker 6: day will give guidance to sort of the behaviors of 516 00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:36,920 Speaker 6: a civil society if we don't put up these gold colts. 517 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:40,720 Speaker 1: If you will, right, so, let me ask you, your 518 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:45,880 Speaker 1: New York congresswoman. We have a lot of problems here 519 00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:49,679 Speaker 1: with housing, but we also have these migrants who have 520 00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:53,920 Speaker 1: come here, who are being resettled here. Can we absorb 521 00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:58,359 Speaker 1: these people as we should and how? And are there 522 00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:01,280 Speaker 1: people on the ground who are helping this happen or 523 00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:04,720 Speaker 1: do you feel that they are being used as political bonds? 524 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:05,840 Speaker 5: Both are correct. 525 00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:08,520 Speaker 6: I think that you use as political bonds, but I 526 00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:10,240 Speaker 6: also believe that we can absorb them. 527 00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:12,760 Speaker 5: I don't think it has to be a New York solution. 528 00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:15,320 Speaker 5: I think it needs to be a national solution. There 529 00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:16,840 Speaker 5: are you know, there are parts of. 530 00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:22,000 Speaker 6: This country where their poise for expansion right. 531 00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:23,680 Speaker 1: Most of the country is I mean, we have a tight, 532 00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:24,919 Speaker 1: tight labor market. 533 00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:28,280 Speaker 2: Absolutely we need people, yeah. 534 00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:29,560 Speaker 5: Absolutely absolutely. 535 00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:32,640 Speaker 6: I mean I think they're just sort of this false 536 00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:38,320 Speaker 6: construct of scarcity that has been erected to scare people 537 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:39,880 Speaker 6: when you know. 538 00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:43,120 Speaker 5: We know for a fact that right now that their. 539 00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:46,600 Speaker 6: Labor shortages, they have more jobs and more opportunities than 540 00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:50,720 Speaker 6: we have people to fill them. And that's assuming that 541 00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:54,800 Speaker 6: we don't give migrants opportunity. You know, I think that 542 00:27:55,080 --> 00:28:00,439 Speaker 6: if you know, we were honest, we could create you know, 543 00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:05,960 Speaker 6: pathways or work authorization while these individuals sort of get 544 00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:10,359 Speaker 6: their documentation and everything in order and adjudicate it. You know, 545 00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:12,840 Speaker 6: at the end of the day, yes, this is a 546 00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:15,439 Speaker 6: nation of laws, but it's also a nation of immigrants. 547 00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:18,720 Speaker 5: So you know, if that either or. 548 00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:21,760 Speaker 1: All the evidence shows that we desperately need people in 549 00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:24,920 Speaker 1: this country, right. We need them to pay into social Security, 550 00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:28,320 Speaker 1: we need them to work jobs. We have these Republican 551 00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:31,800 Speaker 1: governors in the middle of the country who are loosening 552 00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:35,320 Speaker 1: child labor laws because they don't have anyone to work 553 00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:39,320 Speaker 1: in the factor is I mean, so clearly this is 554 00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:44,080 Speaker 1: a situation where we actually really do need people and 555 00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:47,120 Speaker 1: by keeping them out it just to makes no sense. 556 00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:51,280 Speaker 5: Yeah, and we're not keeping them out, we're trapping. 557 00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:53,800 Speaker 6: Them in a no win situation, you know, a very 558 00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:57,640 Speaker 6: unhealthy situation, unhealthy for them and unhealthy for the greatest 559 00:28:57,680 --> 00:28:59,920 Speaker 6: civil society. There's a lot of work that we get 560 00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:03,880 Speaker 6: doing that space that unfortunately, you know, it's become a 561 00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:07,440 Speaker 6: political football. But for some of our colleagues they've been 562 00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:11,880 Speaker 6: able to use very successfully, you know, fear tactics, you 563 00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:15,160 Speaker 6: know around sort of these individuals who who are making 564 00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:17,080 Speaker 6: their way to the United States, who have made be 565 00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:19,640 Speaker 6: away to the United States. But you know, the data 566 00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:23,240 Speaker 6: statistics demonstrate that you know, all of the propaganda that 567 00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:27,200 Speaker 6: my colleagues are using don't beer out in terms of 568 00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:30,560 Speaker 6: you know what they're peddling in terms of fear tactics 569 00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:33,160 Speaker 6: in a civil society like ours, and in a city 570 00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:37,040 Speaker 6: like New York where you know where an immigrant portal, 571 00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:39,240 Speaker 6: if you will, we can make it work. 572 00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:41,960 Speaker 5: We just need the tools to make it work. 573 00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:42,520 Speaker 2: Yeah. 574 00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:47,600 Speaker 1: It makes me wonder what we're doing here, right, because 575 00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:51,200 Speaker 1: Republicans used to be for immigrants. I mean, all of 576 00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:54,880 Speaker 1: this stuff that they're so against, they used to be for. 577 00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:56,880 Speaker 5: This is a different brand. 578 00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:02,719 Speaker 6: This is Maga and Maga, the disciples of Donald Trump, who, 579 00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:06,040 Speaker 6: if you know his political history, you know was not 580 00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:09,720 Speaker 6: a Republican until very recent right, right, right. This is 581 00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:13,800 Speaker 6: a group of cult followers that are linked to a 582 00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:18,600 Speaker 6: cult of personality around Donald Trump, who puts his finger 583 00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:22,840 Speaker 6: in the air in whichever direction blows the meanest. That's 584 00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:26,040 Speaker 6: the direction he's moving it right right, and a lot 585 00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:27,040 Speaker 6: of people with him. 586 00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:28,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, just unbelievable. 587 00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:32,280 Speaker 1: I mean, do you think that Democrats have shot to 588 00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:35,480 Speaker 1: take back the House and do you feel like they 589 00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:36,080 Speaker 1: have a plan? 590 00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:38,920 Speaker 2: And New York, even more importantly than that, as a 591 00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:39,560 Speaker 2: new Yorker. 592 00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:43,600 Speaker 1: I have been disappointed that Democrats lost seats in New 593 00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:48,440 Speaker 1: York and that j. Jacobs continues to be the chair 594 00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:50,280 Speaker 1: of the Democratic Party in New York. 595 00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:53,560 Speaker 6: Well, let me say that last year was a very 596 00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:57,520 Speaker 6: unique year, and that it was a redistricting year, and 597 00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:01,360 Speaker 6: I think that no one could have been anticipated. You 598 00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:04,800 Speaker 6: know what ultimately took place with the courts in New 599 00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:08,840 Speaker 6: York State around a special Master and a whole host 600 00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:13,000 Speaker 6: of other things that really swung the pendulum in an 601 00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:17,560 Speaker 6: extreme direction that made far more of the I think 602 00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:21,080 Speaker 6: sinks in the state the right leaning than had ever 603 00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:24,800 Speaker 6: been before. We were caught somewhat flat footed there, and 604 00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:27,880 Speaker 6: I think work for preed to sort of pivot ghost 605 00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:31,160 Speaker 6: of Andrew Cuomo. Right, Well, that's part of it. But 606 00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:35,080 Speaker 6: the other was, you know, the really competitive and spirited 607 00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:40,440 Speaker 6: governor's race at the same time, right, so far more 608 00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:46,920 Speaker 6: people who historically have not faced such a spirited contest 609 00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:51,520 Speaker 6: for a governor, I mean Leans, Bill Lean Velden, I 610 00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:56,920 Speaker 6: think created a ripple in the state that made it possible, 611 00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:00,960 Speaker 6: after mean district thing under the special mass for I 612 00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:03,120 Speaker 6: guess more Republicans to be pulled out in some of 613 00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:07,240 Speaker 6: these districts than had been well, these were new districts. 614 00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:11,320 Speaker 5: Now, your question was do I believe me can regain them? 615 00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:11,960 Speaker 5: And I do. 616 00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:17,040 Speaker 6: The brands for the Republicans right now in our state 617 00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:18,600 Speaker 6: is topic. 618 00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:19,600 Speaker 5: You know. We have a. 619 00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:23,480 Speaker 6: George Santos dynamic that's only gonna get worse, you know, 620 00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:28,200 Speaker 6: and those Republican members are in with the madness here 621 00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:31,640 Speaker 6: in Washington hook line and see. I've not heard any 622 00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:35,920 Speaker 6: of them distinguished themselves from these maga Republicans and balloon me. 623 00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:38,880 Speaker 5: I serve on chie committees with the number. 624 00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:42,720 Speaker 6: Of these colleagues, and it astounds me to hear them 625 00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:46,120 Speaker 6: espouse those values, knowing that they come from New York State. 626 00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:46,800 Speaker 2: Crazy. 627 00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:49,960 Speaker 6: Even our Republicans in New York State tended to be 628 00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:50,720 Speaker 6: level headed. 629 00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:52,080 Speaker 5: These folks are off the ramp. 630 00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:55,000 Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you, thank you for coming on. I 631 00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:55,920 Speaker 2: hope you'll come back. 632 00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:57,680 Speaker 5: Absolutely, Thank you for having me. 633 00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:03,720 Speaker 1: Molly Hi, It's Mollie, and I am wildly excited that 634 00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:08,600 Speaker 1: for the first time, Fast Politics, the show you're listening 635 00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:10,240 Speaker 1: to right now. 636 00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:11,880 Speaker 2: Is going to have merch for sale. 637 00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:17,440 Speaker 1: Over at shop dot fastpoliticspod dot com. 638 00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:20,800 Speaker 2: You can now buy shirts. 639 00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:24,760 Speaker 1: Hats, hoodies, and toe bags with our incredible designs. 640 00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:25,960 Speaker 2: We've heard your. 641 00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:29,520 Speaker 1: Cries to spread the word about our podcast and get 642 00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:34,920 Speaker 1: a tow bag with my adorable Leo the Rescue Puppy 643 00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:39,760 Speaker 1: on it. And now you can grab this merchandise only 644 00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:45,080 Speaker 1: at shop dot fastpoliticspod dot com. 645 00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:46,600 Speaker 2: Thanks for your support. 646 00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:55,640 Speaker 1: Kevin Cruz is a historian at Princeton University and author 647 00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:57,520 Speaker 1: of myth America. 648 00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:00,000 Speaker 2: Welcome to Fast Politics, Kevin Cruz. 649 00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:00,840 Speaker 4: Great to be here. 650 00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:05,200 Speaker 1: I think of you as a history professor, among other things. 651 00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:11,000 Speaker 1: What's happening right now where we're seeing this Republicans pump 652 00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:14,160 Speaker 1: up a third party candidate. So you could talk to 653 00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:18,160 Speaker 1: us a little bit about third party candidates and how 654 00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:21,560 Speaker 1: that's gone down in sort of recent American history. 655 00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:26,080 Speaker 4: I mean they've usually gone down. I mean they don't 656 00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:30,880 Speaker 4: do much. You make arguments that maybe at best a spoiler. 657 00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:34,399 Speaker 4: I'll start endlest fights online. You can talk about Ralph 658 00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:38,160 Speaker 4: Nader in two thousand, bleeding away just enough support for 659 00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:42,560 Speaker 4: the Gore campaign in Floridas to flip that politics is 660 00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:45,359 Speaker 4: a game of many different moving parts, and so that's 661 00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:47,880 Speaker 4: just one. But yeah, certainly that might have been an effect. 662 00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:50,400 Speaker 4: But that's the best they can do as a spoiler, 663 00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:52,840 Speaker 4: and that's just the nature of the two party system. 664 00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:56,919 Speaker 4: It's very rare for a third party candidate to break free, 665 00:34:57,400 --> 00:35:01,600 Speaker 4: especially in the modern era. Ross Perreaut did extremely well 666 00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:04,319 Speaker 4: in two racism in nineties, and even then it was 667 00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:06,480 Speaker 4: barely a dent. And he only did well because he 668 00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:10,040 Speaker 4: had a personal fortune to set on fire from the 669 00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:12,840 Speaker 4: third party campaign. And unless you're doing that, you're not 670 00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:14,200 Speaker 4: going to get any But you do. 671 00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:17,440 Speaker 1: Have to wonder with Ross Perrau, I mean, he acted 672 00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:21,000 Speaker 1: as a spoiler. He is part of the reason why 673 00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:22,600 Speaker 1: HW didn't get re elected. 674 00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:24,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, he absolutely is. But in a lot of 675 00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:28,680 Speaker 4: ways it was because he, in that one particular moment, 676 00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:32,839 Speaker 4: was really coinciding with what Clinton was already saying that 677 00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:37,040 Speaker 4: the policies of Reagan and Bush and economics had failed, right, 678 00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:40,680 Speaker 4: and they had. They kind of together represented a real 679 00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:43,320 Speaker 4: majority pushback against that. So in a lot of ways, 680 00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:45,880 Speaker 4: Perrot helped make the case for Clinton. But again it 681 00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:47,640 Speaker 4: didn't rebound to his own benefit. 682 00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:50,880 Speaker 2: It only helped the Democrats exactly. So this period is 683 00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:53,440 Speaker 2: such a strange period. What would you say the historical 684 00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:54,799 Speaker 2: precedent is for. 685 00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:57,319 Speaker 4: The period we're living in. I mean, we're kind of 686 00:35:57,360 --> 00:36:00,880 Speaker 4: at a crossroads, as we always are. It's difficult to 687 00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:02,479 Speaker 4: tell where the past is going to leave until we're 688 00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:05,200 Speaker 4: a few bits out, so I'm reluctant to kind of 689 00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:09,000 Speaker 4: state authoritatively where we are now. It does seem like 690 00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:11,400 Speaker 4: things are in flux. I mean, we've seen the Republican Party, 691 00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:14,839 Speaker 4: certainly over the last ten years, definitely the last since 692 00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:18,480 Speaker 4: twenty sixteen, with the direction of Trump, has really moved 693 00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:23,200 Speaker 4: into a much more a reactionary, much more kind of 694 00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:26,880 Speaker 4: white nationalist politics. This has always been a minor theme 695 00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:30,400 Speaker 4: in the party for at least the last fifty sixty years, 696 00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:32,480 Speaker 4: but a minor theme. And what Trump has done is 697 00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:35,560 Speaker 4: kind of flipped the script and put that part of 698 00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:39,120 Speaker 4: the Republican coalition of a driver's seat, and seems to 699 00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:41,520 Speaker 4: be now, you know, just doubling down and doubling down 700 00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:44,200 Speaker 4: over again and again on this kind of politics of 701 00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:48,360 Speaker 4: white reaction that appeals to an increasingly thin slice of 702 00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:51,960 Speaker 4: the electorate, but it's enough currently to win the Republican nomination, 703 00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:54,800 Speaker 4: and that makes it a kind of a jump ball 704 00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:57,680 Speaker 4: for a general election given our politics. What that means 705 00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:00,120 Speaker 4: for the long term Republican Party, I don't think you 706 00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:03,600 Speaker 4: have to be an actuary to read the graphics and 707 00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:06,240 Speaker 4: know that this is not going to be sustainable long term, 708 00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:08,239 Speaker 4: and eventually the fever will have to break. But for 709 00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:11,000 Speaker 4: the immediate future, I think they're wedded to the best. 710 00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:13,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean they clearly see the writing on the 711 00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:15,000 Speaker 1: wall here right. 712 00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:18,600 Speaker 4: Well, you know we've had multiple you know, they do 713 00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:20,840 Speaker 4: these post mortems after everyone. 714 00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:22,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, the best. 715 00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:24,759 Speaker 4: They usually have a clear eyed assessment of what went wrong, 716 00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:27,120 Speaker 4: what they need to do better, and then they file 717 00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:28,960 Speaker 4: that away and ignore it. And they do so because 718 00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:31,640 Speaker 4: I think the party analysts have a very long term 719 00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:33,960 Speaker 4: view of the party and are very I think astute 720 00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:38,200 Speaker 4: about what doom lies ahead? Do they keep following this path? Politicians, though, 721 00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:41,840 Speaker 4: are always looking one election ahead, and in the current climate, 722 00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:44,319 Speaker 4: that's all they have to care about, and they are 723 00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:46,960 Speaker 4: committed to that kind of politics and white reaction for 724 00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:47,960 Speaker 4: the foreseeable future. 725 00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:50,320 Speaker 2: Eventually they'll get sick of losing. 726 00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:54,160 Speaker 4: Theoretically, it depends on what is losing, right, So they've 727 00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:57,080 Speaker 4: lost the popular vote in I can't even remember how 728 00:37:57,080 --> 00:37:59,080 Speaker 4: many out of the last eight elections that they've been 729 00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:01,200 Speaker 4: on the losing end. They've managed to hang on to 730 00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:04,840 Speaker 4: the Senate due to the advantages they've got in that system. 731 00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:08,080 Speaker 2: They managed to I mean they don't have the Senate now, I. 732 00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:09,799 Speaker 4: Mean they managed to have a real presence of a 733 00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:12,359 Speaker 4: Senate throughout a lot of these years. Right, They've taken 734 00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:15,759 Speaker 4: the White House through the electoral college, and so, yeah, 735 00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:18,840 Speaker 4: they're losing, But as long as they actually win some 736 00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:20,920 Speaker 4: levers of power, I think that's coming enough to keep 737 00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:23,279 Speaker 4: him in play. And the system, as says that, it 738 00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:26,160 Speaker 4: rewards the winners, you know, and so whoever's got the 739 00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:27,799 Speaker 4: power will find a way to hang on to it. 740 00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:30,120 Speaker 1: If you were to sort of go back in history, 741 00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:33,440 Speaker 1: have there been times when a political party has been 742 00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:34,520 Speaker 1: this fucked? 743 00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:37,600 Speaker 4: I mean yeah, I mean you could look at the 744 00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:43,080 Speaker 4: Whigs fifty Yeah, I mean you could actually look at 745 00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:46,520 Speaker 4: the Democrats in the nineteen twenties. They had won the 746 00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:50,279 Speaker 4: White House with what Cleveland and Wilson since the Civil War, 747 00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:54,240 Speaker 4: and that was it. They didn't have control of virtually anything. 748 00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:57,319 Speaker 4: In the nineteen twenties. Will Rogers famously said, you know, 749 00:38:57,320 --> 00:39:00,759 Speaker 4: I don't belong to an organized political Partymocrat and they 750 00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:03,279 Speaker 4: just got their asses kicked time and time again. It 751 00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:08,320 Speaker 4: was ultimately the Depression and the real discrediting of Republican 752 00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:11,600 Speaker 4: policies that changed all that. But from the perspective of 753 00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:14,200 Speaker 4: the nineteen twenties, it looked like the Democrats were, you know, 754 00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:15,480 Speaker 4: on the way out. 755 00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:19,920 Speaker 2: Looking at this sort of historical precedent predict the future. 756 00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:24,600 Speaker 4: Go look, I mean I often say that, you know, 757 00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:26,799 Speaker 4: and I get why people want to ask historians to 758 00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:29,600 Speaker 4: make these predictions. But my training is in hindsight, I'm 759 00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:32,160 Speaker 4: not butits And also I write about all these people 760 00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:34,440 Speaker 4: who made bad predictions in the past. When you know, 761 00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:37,799 Speaker 4: LBJ was elected in a landslide at sixty four, said 762 00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:41,080 Speaker 4: that's it. Conservatism is dead, well, not so much. Reagan 763 00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:44,000 Speaker 4: elected in nineteen eighty a landslight Well, liberalism has gone well, 764 00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:46,480 Speaker 4: not so much. So it's tempting in the moment to 765 00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:49,359 Speaker 4: kind of have these catastrophic takes, but I'm real worried 766 00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:52,600 Speaker 4: about saying them. I will say, I do think we're 767 00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:55,560 Speaker 4: in a moment of reckoning. How long it's going to 768 00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:59,040 Speaker 4: take to come to pass really is going to depend 769 00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:01,759 Speaker 4: on how these next feel shakeout. If it really is 770 00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:05,600 Speaker 4: a series of wipeout for the Republicans, they'll be forced 771 00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:08,879 Speaker 4: to change pace. If they can hang on and eke 772 00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:12,279 Speaker 4: out something close to a fifty to fifty existence. They'll 773 00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:13,600 Speaker 4: stay on this as long as they can. 774 00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:16,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it sounds right. I'm wondering about this 775 00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:21,640 Speaker 1: sort of world in which we find ourselves in. There 776 00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:27,600 Speaker 1: is no precedent for a political candidate who is the 777 00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:31,200 Speaker 1: front right of a party being indicted both on state 778 00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:36,400 Speaker 1: charges and federal charges, and likely more state charges to come. 779 00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:38,800 Speaker 2: There's no precedent, right, I mean. 780 00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:43,400 Speaker 4: I mean, you know, not a major Eugene Debs ran 781 00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:47,960 Speaker 4: from prison. That's closely done, and it hadn't happened because 782 00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:52,880 Speaker 4: usually parties weed out the candidates with all this baggage, 783 00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:56,840 Speaker 4: and it's a there's a kind of a self regulating 784 00:40:56,880 --> 00:40:59,800 Speaker 4: aspect to the party structure in which you want to 785 00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:02,400 Speaker 4: have the candidate with the biggest chance of winning a 786 00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:07,200 Speaker 4: general election be your nominee and believed or not molly. Traditionally, 787 00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:11,680 Speaker 4: when a candidate was indicted for crimes at the federal 788 00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:14,640 Speaker 4: or state level, that was sort of a deal breaker. 789 00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:18,439 Speaker 4: They would not nominate that person. They would have said, 790 00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:21,800 Speaker 4: find somebody who had the same kind of policy beliefs 791 00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:26,120 Speaker 4: but did not have a long criminal record to be 792 00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:28,920 Speaker 4: the standard bearer for the party. So we're in an 793 00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:34,000 Speaker 4: unprecedented place solely because Republican voters have apparently turned into 794 00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:36,400 Speaker 4: a cult where it's got to be this one man 795 00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:38,240 Speaker 4: and only this one man. 796 00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:42,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, he does have a hold on the party. I mean, 797 00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:45,560 Speaker 1: I'm trying to think of like predent presidents. I mean 798 00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:49,440 Speaker 1: maybe where a sort of one candidate has had a 799 00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:53,080 Speaker 1: sort of death part on a political party. I mean 800 00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:55,040 Speaker 1: you could say like George Washington. 801 00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:58,560 Speaker 4: Right, sure, sure, but even then Washington above anyone else, 802 00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:01,960 Speaker 4: made it clear it wasn't about him. The pattern for 803 00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:05,719 Speaker 4: serving only two terms and kind of kind of the 804 00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:08,399 Speaker 4: modern day Cincinnatus, So he doesn't have that. I mean, 805 00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:11,640 Speaker 4: death grip is the right term here, because there have 806 00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:16,440 Speaker 4: been parties that have really been beholden to major political figures. 807 00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:18,880 Speaker 4: Think of the Democrats and FDR. 808 00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:21,160 Speaker 1: Right, that's what I was. Actually the FDR ran for 809 00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:24,960 Speaker 1: three terms, so ran for four turns on terms, right, 810 00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:26,520 Speaker 1: and was really committed there. 811 00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:30,279 Speaker 4: But he was a winner. Right. Reagan had some some 812 00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:32,880 Speaker 4: low points in his presidency, but you know, won the 813 00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:36,640 Speaker 4: first election one reelection was regarded as a winner. Trump 814 00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:40,200 Speaker 4: really is a death grip because he's going to kill 815 00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:43,399 Speaker 4: him They really have convinced themselves that he's some sort 816 00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:47,400 Speaker 4: of winner. He didn't win a majority of the popular 817 00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:51,680 Speaker 4: vote in twenty sixteen or twenty twenty, he lost the House, 818 00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:55,320 Speaker 4: lost the Senate on his watch, He's got negative coat tails, 819 00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:59,640 Speaker 4: and yet they are convinced that he is the one 820 00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:01,560 Speaker 4: knownly It's really bizarre. 821 00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:04,360 Speaker 1: Do you think that there's a president that's not a 822 00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:09,240 Speaker 1: political president that's sort of more of like a celebrity president, 823 00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:10,560 Speaker 1: Like I'm thinking of. 824 00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:14,440 Speaker 2: Like, is it is he Elvis? Is he? Do you 825 00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:14,960 Speaker 2: know what I mean? 826 00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:19,400 Speaker 1: Like, Yeah, is there some like pied piper like celebrity 827 00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:23,239 Speaker 1: figure that Donald Trump could sort of track to in 828 00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:23,840 Speaker 1: real life? 829 00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:24,160 Speaker 3: Yeah? 830 00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:25,799 Speaker 4: I mean, I mean there is a sense that it 831 00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:29,839 Speaker 4: is all celebrity. And for all the criticisms Republicans had 832 00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:32,680 Speaker 4: about Barack Obama being a celebrity president, I mean this 833 00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:35,440 Speaker 4: is kind of the host of Celebrity Apprentice. This is 834 00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:38,640 Speaker 4: a guy who's done pitches for sharp image, and you know, 835 00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:42,320 Speaker 4: this is not someone who has kind of a deep, 836 00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:46,160 Speaker 4: you know, a serious kind of gravitas behind them. It's 837 00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:50,319 Speaker 4: all image and that's what they like. And so I mean, 838 00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:52,000 Speaker 4: I'm not the first one to draw a comparison, but 839 00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:55,520 Speaker 4: always reminds me of character of lonesome roads facing the crowd. 840 00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:59,720 Speaker 4: The Eliot Cazenne. Yeah, you know about a TV huckster 841 00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:02,719 Speaker 4: who gets to political following. I mean, that's kind of 842 00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:04,760 Speaker 4: what we've got here. Or if you want to be darker, 843 00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:09,240 Speaker 4: you know, it's Jim Jones in Guyana having his followers 844 00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:11,439 Speaker 4: drink the flavor aid like a cult. I mean, that's 845 00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:14,800 Speaker 4: the kind of real commitment to a single political leader. 846 00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:17,640 Speaker 4: I mean, if you want to go big, it's kind 847 00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:21,240 Speaker 4: of the cult of personality. We've seen authoritarian dictatorships across 848 00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:24,399 Speaker 4: the twentieth century. Yeah, that is really a sense that 849 00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:27,200 Speaker 4: whatever the leader says, that is what we believe. And 850 00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:30,839 Speaker 4: it seemed like that was an exaggeration until we got 851 00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:35,120 Speaker 4: to the twenty twenty campaign when the Republican Party didn't 852 00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:37,880 Speaker 4: even put together a platform. I mean, that is amazing, 853 00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:41,160 Speaker 4: and all they said was basically, whatever Donald Trump says, 854 00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:44,200 Speaker 4: that's what we believe. I mean, that shows how far 855 00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:46,880 Speaker 4: they've got in from principles to personality. 856 00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:51,040 Speaker 1: Last night, Brettbair did this interview with Donald Trump. What's 857 00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:57,880 Speaker 1: happening at Fox is defies explanation, but basically they got fined, 858 00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:01,680 Speaker 1: you know, almost a billion do for lying about the election, 859 00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:06,360 Speaker 1: and now they're sort of trying to push back against 860 00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:08,680 Speaker 1: some of the lying about the election that has happened 861 00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:09,600 Speaker 1: on their network. 862 00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:11,959 Speaker 2: Again, I don't think you get a medal for that, but. 863 00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:16,719 Speaker 1: I'm curious what your sort of take on that is. 864 00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:20,600 Speaker 1: I'm curious also, like, as a student of history, this 865 00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:24,440 Speaker 1: situation we find ourselves in now with a media that 866 00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:28,600 Speaker 1: is really largely unregulated and a social media that is 867 00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:32,279 Speaker 1: almost completely unregulated. Does it just end in tears or 868 00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:35,400 Speaker 1: is there some kind of self regulation that happens or 869 00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:37,000 Speaker 1: some kind of right spot. 870 00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:38,640 Speaker 2: If you look at history, the. 871 00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:41,440 Speaker 4: Movie Network came out in nineteen seventy six and was 872 00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:45,239 Speaker 4: you know, seems surreal and fantastical back then, but we're 873 00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:48,000 Speaker 4: living in it. I mean, it really is that news 874 00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:51,040 Speaker 4: outlets are treated like any other form of entertainment and 875 00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:54,919 Speaker 4: they're looking for ratings, and that's the financial model we've 876 00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:56,799 Speaker 4: set up. Those are the incentives they have. It used 877 00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:58,839 Speaker 4: to be that they thought they could get ratings by 878 00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:01,120 Speaker 4: being the most respected name in news. Now it's just 879 00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:04,640 Speaker 4: whatever gets eyeballs. I don't think there's a real chance 880 00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:06,919 Speaker 4: of any kind of self regulation as long as there's 881 00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:09,719 Speaker 4: still an audience demand for this kind of stuff. But 882 00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:12,960 Speaker 4: I will say what Fox has done recently, and they've been, 883 00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:17,080 Speaker 4: you know, wildly uneven in their approach. What the bread 884 00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:20,359 Speaker 4: Bear interview I think showed was that they do see 885 00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:23,960 Speaker 4: there are certain lines they cannot cross. They cannot allow 886 00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:27,239 Speaker 4: the kind of election lies to go on challenge or 887 00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:29,080 Speaker 4: they know there's going to be a price for them 888 00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:31,160 Speaker 4: to pay. They didn't care about the country paying a price, 889 00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:32,720 Speaker 4: but now, but there's a price for them to pay. 890 00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:35,160 Speaker 4: I think they absolutely care. So they're going to do 891 00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:37,719 Speaker 4: what they can to shoot that down. And it's a 892 00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:40,719 Speaker 4: good thing for us because there are certain people inside 893 00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:42,839 Speaker 4: the kind of the Trump coult who are never going 894 00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:47,200 Speaker 4: to turn in to hear CNN or NPR or MSNBC 895 00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:50,560 Speaker 4: or anything else from the so called you know, lamestream 896 00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:54,640 Speaker 4: media boxes is becoming more suspect in their eyes, there's 897 00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:56,360 Speaker 4: a chance to hear it. If the only thing that 898 00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:59,120 Speaker 4: comes out of this is that maybe Trump learns he 899 00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:01,719 Speaker 4: can't spread those lies is easily on Fox. I think 900 00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:04,120 Speaker 4: he started down on it. Down that ando of itself 901 00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:04,640 Speaker 4: is a good. 902 00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:07,040 Speaker 1: Thing, right, but it is I mean, they are also 903 00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:09,480 Speaker 1: to cable carriage fees. 904 00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:12,440 Speaker 2: There's a lot of self interest here, but it is 905 00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:13,640 Speaker 2: a bit I mean. 906 00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:16,480 Speaker 1: One of the things that I think is pretty interesting 907 00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:18,759 Speaker 1: what's happened with Rubert Murdock is he was one of 908 00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:22,600 Speaker 1: the sort of creators of a sort of media complex 909 00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:25,760 Speaker 1: that runs on opinion and far right opinion. 910 00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:30,520 Speaker 2: That is not new. Those kind of newspapers, magazines and television. 911 00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:32,680 Speaker 4: Channels not all no, no, they've always been there, but 912 00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:36,799 Speaker 4: what is new is the centrality that they play out. 913 00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:38,640 Speaker 4: You had the kind of things that would have been 914 00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:43,400 Speaker 4: spewed on Fox News or OA and N or Newsmax 915 00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:46,279 Speaker 4: or in these channels kind of on the right, far right. 916 00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:49,680 Speaker 4: They'd always been there, but they came out as you know, 917 00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:54,880 Speaker 4: a mimiograph newsletter or an AM radio program. Right. The 918 00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:59,919 Speaker 4: reach was fairly small, and there was a real draw 919 00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:04,040 Speaker 4: on the part of so called respectable conservatives to draw 920 00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:09,279 Speaker 4: a line between those people and themselves, right. William F. 921 00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:12,160 Speaker 4: Buckley was a master of this constantly, you know, fighting 922 00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:15,160 Speaker 4: with the John Birch Society in public to make people 923 00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:18,120 Speaker 4: in the National Review seem respectable. By comparison, there's a 924 00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:21,759 Speaker 4: lot of Cowrick that shows that that's largely overblown, but 925 00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:24,920 Speaker 4: he knew the value of that right that you had 926 00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:28,520 Speaker 4: to signal publicly I am not one of these wackos. Well, 927 00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:32,920 Speaker 4: now it's the exact opposite, right, You've got Republican leaders 928 00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:38,000 Speaker 4: in the House, presidential aspirates who are trying to say 929 00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:41,840 Speaker 4: I'll pardon the January sixth in directionist are giving nods 930 00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:45,000 Speaker 4: and winks to chewing on to all kinds of conspiracies 931 00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:47,319 Speaker 4: on the far right. They want to make sure that 932 00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:50,240 Speaker 4: the voters out there who believe in these crazy things 933 00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:53,959 Speaker 4: think that they're at least sympathetic, if not one of them. 934 00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:57,719 Speaker 2: One last question, who was the dumbest member of the Senate? Though? 935 00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:02,000 Speaker 4: Oh god, it's so tough. I mean, come on, I mean, 936 00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:04,320 Speaker 4: I gotta say Tommy Tuberville at the moment. 937 00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:08,279 Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, that is correct. You win the podcast. 938 00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:10,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's amazing. 939 00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:13,000 Speaker 2: It's got to be Tuberville. It's got to be Tuville, right, 940 00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:14,680 Speaker 2: the Louis Gohmert of the Senate. 941 00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:16,000 Speaker 4: He really is, he really is. 942 00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:19,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, the best. Thank you, thank you, thank you. I 943 00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:21,000 Speaker 2: hope you'll come back anytime. 944 00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:28,000 Speaker 4: Always great to be here. No mo Jesse Cannon, my 945 00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:31,440 Speaker 4: junk fast, that supreme Court is like singing that song Hello, 946 00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:34,399 Speaker 4: can you go about their approval rating just every day. 947 00:49:34,680 --> 00:49:38,800 Speaker 1: Here's the thing about the conservative justices Alito and Thomas 948 00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:43,480 Speaker 1: the worst too. They cannot fly commercial. The problem is 949 00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:47,720 Speaker 1: they cannot fly commercial. They are unable and sadly because 950 00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:50,919 Speaker 1: they only make a couple hundred thousand dollars or maybe 951 00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:53,320 Speaker 1: a little less. As Supreme Court justice is the most 952 00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:57,320 Speaker 1: powerful job in the land, they have to fly commercial, 953 00:49:57,400 --> 00:50:01,920 Speaker 1: so they must take these donations, these gifts quote unquote 954 00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:06,759 Speaker 1: from rich conservatives who often have cases in front of 955 00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:09,880 Speaker 1: the Court, like Paul Singer, and they have to do 956 00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:13,480 Speaker 1: it because they really don't like flying commercial. And I 957 00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:16,600 Speaker 1: have to say, I respect the hell out of the grift. 958 00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:21,000 Speaker 2: We're going to see how unpopular the Supreme Court is 959 00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:24,960 Speaker 2: going to be. I think we're just scraping the bottom 960 00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:28,080 Speaker 2: and there's more to go. And for that, that is 961 00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:31,840 Speaker 2: our moment of fuckery. That's it for this episode of 962 00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:32,799 Speaker 2: Fast Politics. 963 00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:36,080 Speaker 1: Tune in every Monday, Wednesday and Friday to hear the 964 00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:39,560 Speaker 1: best minds in politics makes sense of all this chaos. 965 00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:42,400 Speaker 1: If you enjoyed what you've heard, please send it to 966 00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:44,440 Speaker 1: a friend and keep the conversation going. 967 00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:46,480 Speaker 2: And again thanks for listening