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Speaker 1: I'm Robert Evans. This is Behind the Bastards. That was

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Speaker 1: I'm Robert Evans and this is Behind the Bastards, the

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Speaker 1: was completely cut off from her family money, so he

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Speaker 1: made ends meet by sundry scams and by continuing to

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Speaker 1: cash in on the success of his first book by

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Speaker 1: giving lectures. During one of these lectures in Tennessee, which

429
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Speaker 1: is essentially a self help seminar in like nineteen thirty six,

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Speaker 1: he mentions that he's looking for his dream girl. He

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Speaker 1: says this like during a lecture he's giving a bunch

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Speaker 1: of strangers, which seems weird to me. Yeah, but woman

433
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Speaker 1: in the what's crazier is a young woman in the audience,

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Speaker 1: Rosalie Bieland makes a bee line for Napoleon after the

435
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Speaker 1: lecture and is like, I'm totally fucking down. Let's do

436
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Speaker 1: this ship thinking get laid, thinking, get laid. It's time

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Speaker 1: to go to add It is time to go to ads.

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Speaker 1: You know what goes better with is better than getting laid. No,

439
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Speaker 1: that's not you know, it's better than sex products and services,

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Speaker 1: products and services, and the best of all our products

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Speaker 1: and services that enable sex, like the wonderful dick pills

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Speaker 1: that we advertise on this show. We're back great products,

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Speaker 1: good services. So you're telling me that Napoleon hill manifested

444
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Speaker 1: not only incredible wealth but also his dream girl just

445
00:23:54,000 --> 00:24:01,560
Speaker 1: by lying his entire life. Yeah, although dream girl would

446
00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:04,239
Speaker 1: be putting it a bit strong. Um, I think you

447
00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:08,600
Speaker 1: might like what happens with Rosalie. Um, it doesn't go

448
00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:12,200
Speaker 1: the way I expected it to. Uh So the two

449
00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:15,320
Speaker 1: were married within days. Napoleon was fifty three and Rosa

450
00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:19,040
Speaker 1: was twenty nine. Um, which seems like it could potentially

451
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Speaker 1: have been a dangerous and exploitative situation, but it was

452
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Speaker 1: literally the opposite. See, Rosa was just as much of

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Speaker 1: a con man as Napoleon hill She wanted to make

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Speaker 1: a funckload of money selling nonsense self help advice, and

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Speaker 1: she knew Napoleon was her vehicle to doing that. So

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Speaker 1: immediately after their wedding, they sit down to write a

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Speaker 1: new book, Think and Grow Rich. The couple moves in

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Speaker 1: with Napoleon's son Blair and his wife and a tight

459
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Speaker 1: in their tiny New York apartment so they can stay

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Speaker 1: off the street while they work on this book because

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00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:50,800
Speaker 1: neither has any money. Now, Napoleon's son Blair was literally

462
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Speaker 1: the last person he had to lean on. None of

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Speaker 1: his other children would even talk to him, as he

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Speaker 1: had habitually burned every single bridge that he came across

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Speaker 1: in life. So once Blair and Blair is again the

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Speaker 1: deaf son he refused to teach sign language to my

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Speaker 1: god son takes pity on his terrible dad and he's like, yes,

468
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Speaker 1: wife can live with me while you write another book

469
00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:21,080
Speaker 1: of awful bullshit, it gets even worse. So once Blair

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Speaker 1: and his wife Vera start hosting Napoleon and and his

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Speaker 1: new wife, Um, things quickly get bad, both because Napoleon

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Speaker 1: is an asshole and also because mainly just because Napoleon's

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Speaker 1: an asshole. Um. And he particularly hated his husband's wife

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Speaker 1: according to Hill his own, Yeah, he hated his or

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Speaker 1: he hated his his son's wife. Oh oh, so Napoleon

476
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Speaker 1: Hill really didn't like his son's Vera. Yeah, he hates Vera.

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Speaker 1: According to his own biography quote, she bore the full

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Speaker 1: brunt of Napoleon's ability to unashamedly heckel and hound people

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Speaker 1: he didn't like. Vera endured several months of naps, nastiest

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Speaker 1: bullying and snipe, and then finally left Blair and moved

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Speaker 1: back to West Virginia. Blair soon returned to West Virginia

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Speaker 1: two after loaning his father enough money to subsist for

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Speaker 1: several more months. Blair and Vera tried to rebuild their marriage,

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Speaker 1: but several years later were divorced. Although Blair went on

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Speaker 1: to become an imminently successful businessman and a lovely and

486
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Speaker 1: a beloved community leader, he never remarried. So Napoleon gets

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Speaker 1: taken in by his son, kicks them out of their

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Speaker 1: own apartment, and ruins their marriage and gets hundreds of

489
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Speaker 1: dollars from him. Um, this paby like just doesn't give

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Speaker 1: a shit about anything or anybody. No, he is a

491
00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:36,840
Speaker 1: total piece of shit. Now, Napoleon and his wife, while

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Speaker 1: living at the apartment they stole from his son, finished

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Speaker 1: their new book, and Rosa was an integral part of

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Speaker 1: the entire process, because Napoleon was a terrible writer and

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Speaker 1: she was apparently a pretty good editor, so she has

496
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Speaker 1: manages to like edit his ramblings into something other human

497
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Speaker 1: beings would enjoy reading. The book had to be rewritten

498
00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:56,399
Speaker 1: three times, but eventually the couple got it right, and

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Speaker 1: they succeeded in convincing Hill's old publisher Pelton, to give

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Speaker 1: him a second try. Think and Grow Rich is one

501
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:06,800
Speaker 1: of those books that is hard to h oversell the

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00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:10,280
Speaker 1: success of and like and and over emphasize its impact

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Speaker 1: on society. By some counts, it sold as many as

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Speaker 1: twenty million copies. Now that number is probably a big exaggeration,

505
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:19,199
Speaker 1: but ten million might not be. Like it was a

506
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Speaker 1: hugely successful book. Um, I've seen it on the bookshelves

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00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:25,600
Speaker 1: of more people than I can count. Like, it's just

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00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:28,920
Speaker 1: it's everywhere. Any any used bookstore you go to will

509
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:32,399
Speaker 1: have one or a few copies of Thinking Grow Rich. Yeah,

510
00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:35,240
Speaker 1: it's fucking everywhere. And it's still very very common and

511
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:37,960
Speaker 1: very popular. Um. And a lot of that's to do

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Speaker 1: with the fact, like I've never I've never read it,

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00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:42,639
Speaker 1: but I think it's people say it's a well written

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00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:45,080
Speaker 1: self help book, which I think is probably mostly due

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00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:49,879
Speaker 1: to Rosalie. Um. Yeah, Now, Think and Grow Rich was

516
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:52,600
Speaker 1: essentially just a refining and rehashing of the best parts

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Speaker 1: of Napoleon's first book, Uh Law of Success. I found

518
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Speaker 1: a two thousand fifteen right up of the book on

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Speaker 1: Business Insider. It was titled seventy eight years ago a

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Speaker 1: journalist studied five Richmond and boiled down their success into

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00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:10,399
Speaker 1: thirteen steps. Now, calling Mr Hill a journalist stretches the

522
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Speaker 1: definition of that word, maybe more than it's ever been stretched.

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00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:18,040
Speaker 1: I can't think of anyone who is less of a journalist.

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Speaker 1: And Napoleon Hill he was even when he was writing

525
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Speaker 1: for a newspaper, he was mostly full of ship and

526
00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:27,719
Speaker 1: then and then he didn't write for newspapers anymore, so

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00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 1: he didn't even call himself a journalist. No, he's closer

528
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:36,040
Speaker 1: to being a lumber salesman. Yeah, he called himself a businessman. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So the Business Insider write up confusing. We summarize as

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Speaker 1: Hill's work this way, quote Think and Grow, rich shares

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Speaker 1: what he calls the money making secrets in thirteen Principles.

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00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:49,240
Speaker 1: There's no mention of money, well finances, or stocks within

533
00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:52,200
Speaker 1: Hill's text. He takes a different approach, focusing on breaking

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Speaker 1: down the psychological barriers that prevent many of us from

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Speaker 1: attaining our own fortunes. These money making secrets include such

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Speaker 1: bold and mind blowing strategies as desire riches instead of

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Speaker 1: wishing for them. Uh Napoleon wrote, quote, wishing will not

538
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Speaker 1: bring riches, but desiring riches with a state of mind

539
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:10,880
Speaker 1: that becomes an obsession than planning definite ways and means

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00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 1: to acquire riches and backing those plans. Different, That was

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00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:19,520
Speaker 1: different steps. First you had desiring and then you had

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00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:25,080
Speaker 1: making a plan and taking action. Yeah, those are different things. Well,

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00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:27,960
Speaker 1: he says, He says, yeah, like the the idea that

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00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:30,640
Speaker 1: he's saying desire riches instead of wishing for them is

545
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:35,240
Speaker 1: nonsense because his description of desiring riches is like the same,

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00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:38,719
Speaker 1: Like there's no difference between desiring something and wishing for it.

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00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:43,800
Speaker 1: Um Like it's it's just nonsense. Like and it's like

548
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:45,920
Speaker 1: you could say that it's good advice to say, like, yeah,

549
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:47,880
Speaker 1: but if you want to be successful, be obsessed with

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00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:49,840
Speaker 1: the thing you want to do, plan ways to like

551
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:53,480
Speaker 1: make it happen, back those plans with persistence, don't accept failure.

552
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:58,480
Speaker 1: But like, again that's not a guide. That's obvious. It's

553
00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:01,560
Speaker 1: like me selling myself was a marathon coach by saying,

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Speaker 1: so you just run for twenty six point two miles

555
00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:07,360
Speaker 1: and don't stop. And if you don't stop for any reason,

556
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 1: don't stop. Just keep going and you'll finish the marathon.

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Speaker 1: And you know what if you if you fall and

558
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Speaker 1: you can't run anymore, that's not my fault. It would

559
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:17,480
Speaker 1: be more like saying, if you fall and can't run anymore,

560
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Speaker 1: I suggest getting up and continuing to run. Here's the

561
00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:24,320
Speaker 1: thing you have to desire finishing the race, and then

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00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:27,719
Speaker 1: you have to do it. It's like, yeah, that's how

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00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:30,520
Speaker 1: you achieve success. It's very easy. You just you think

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Speaker 1: about it and then you do it. I mean, I

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Speaker 1: don't know how I can make this any easier. Frea Guys. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the secret to success is being sending a way to

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Speaker 1: succeed and then doing it. Yeah. He's not just saying

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Speaker 1: be successful. He's saying, make a plan to be successful.

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Speaker 1: But that's still not useful information. Um. Yeah. So another

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00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:53,640
Speaker 1: thing that's included in his book, or another one of

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Speaker 1: the steps included in his book is faith. Uh. He

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Speaker 1: notes riches begin in the form of thought. The amount

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Speaker 1: is limited only by the person in whose mind the

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00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:05,959
Speaker 1: thought is put into action. Faith removes limitations. Yeah, so

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00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:08,040
Speaker 1: think and grow rich. As you may have guessed by

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00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:11,800
Speaker 1: now is the book that popularized affirmations, which is the

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00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:15,680
Speaker 1: idea of like writing down a bunch of times per day,

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Speaker 1: I'm going to get this grade on a test, or

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Speaker 1: I'm going to make this much money, I'm going to

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00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:22,360
Speaker 1: get this job. Yeah. A big part of afflications is

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00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:25,760
Speaker 1: basically the idea that they that they trick your brain into,

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00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:29,600
Speaker 1: you know, creating new thought patterns by forcing yourself to

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00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 1: repeat thoughts that are you know, positive or desired over

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00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:36,960
Speaker 1: and over allowed or by writing them down and then

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00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:40,640
Speaker 1: by doing so it's just like you know, it'll just

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00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:45,080
Speaker 1: you trick your brain and then you think a different way.

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00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:48,000
Speaker 1: And Hill didn't call them affirmations. He called it the

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00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:51,480
Speaker 1: principle of auto suggestion. But it's the same thing, like

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00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:54,600
Speaker 1: the idea is the same and usually like affirmations now

590
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:58,560
Speaker 1: are generally um it's generally considered important that they be

591
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:01,480
Speaker 1: in the form of a statement rare than a predictive

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00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 1: future statement like I am rich versus like I will

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00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:09,000
Speaker 1: be rich. You know. Ah, yeah, yeah, this whole scam

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00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:11,920
Speaker 1: has evolved so much over the years. It's always heartening

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00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:17,280
Speaker 1: to hear about how Yeah. So uh, Thinking Grow Rich,

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00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:20,280
Speaker 1: like I said, sold like hotcakes. Uh. And as someone

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00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:22,480
Speaker 1: who has never been drawn to self help books, I

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00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:25,160
Speaker 1: can't really explain why. But people loved it and they

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00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:28,160
Speaker 1: still love it. Uh. And I've met a lot of like,

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00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:31,640
Speaker 1: reasonable intelligent people who I respect, who have this book

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00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:34,719
Speaker 1: on their shelves somewhere and presumably found value in it.

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00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:37,560
Speaker 1: So if you're one of those people, I have no

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00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:40,280
Speaker 1: desire to to shoot on you or the fact that

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00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:43,520
Speaker 1: you found value uh in it. Um. But I do

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00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 1: think it's funny that Napoleon Hill wrote about sex transmutation.

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00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 1: So we're going to talk about that some Oh hell

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00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:56,720
Speaker 1: yeah um from Thinking Grow Rich quote. The desire for

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Speaker 1: sexual expression is by far the strongest and most impelling

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00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 1: of all the human emotions. For this very reason, this desire,

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00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:05,040
Speaker 1: when harnessed and transmuted into action, other than that a

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00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:08,720
Speaker 1: physical expression may raise one to the status of a genius.

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Speaker 1: Oh okay, he's a no FAP guy. Yeah, he's a

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Speaker 1: no fab You you pulled it? You got it? I didn't, Okay,

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00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:19,080
Speaker 1: So I actually I actually so. No fap is like

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00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:21,840
Speaker 1: a community on Reddit of people who don't masturbate, and

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00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:24,040
Speaker 1: there are other places to like the Proud Boys have

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00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:27,240
Speaker 1: a no masturbation rule. It's like a thing. Some groups

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00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:29,280
Speaker 1: of people have this idea that like, if you don't masturbate,

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Speaker 1: you can transmute your sexual energy that you would lose

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Speaker 1: if you came into a whatever. Yeah, whether I mean,

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Speaker 1: like you know, it's it's also like why I think monks,

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Speaker 1: you know, monks aren't allowed to jerk off because you know,

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Speaker 1: you're you have to all of the energy and your

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00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:47,600
Speaker 1: body has to be channeled towards the greater purpose, whether

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00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:52,600
Speaker 1: that is being a Nazi or loving God or whatever. Yeah. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And I I have to note that, with literally about

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Speaker 1: a fucking second worth of googling, I found a Reddit

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Speaker 1: thread in the no FAPs ubread it titled what Napoleon

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Speaker 1: Hill thought of no fab in nineteen thirty eight. Now

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Speaker 1: I'm just going to read you one of the exchanges

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Speaker 1: from that threat. Okay, okay, fine, So it starts. It

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Speaker 1: starts with a guy named with the user name Rocky

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Speaker 1: Mountain oysters which your testicles, quoting Napoleon Hill. So here's

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Speaker 1: the Napoleon Hill quote. Controlled sex supplies the magnetic force

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Speaker 1: that attracts people to one another. It is the most

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Speaker 1: important factor of a pleasing personality. It gives quality to

637
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:35,360
Speaker 1: the tone of the voice and enables one to convey

638
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 1: through the voice any feeling desired. And then the person

639
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:42,680
Speaker 1: quoting this, Rocky Mountain Oysters, writes underneath that somebody who

640
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:44,640
Speaker 1: hadn't seen me in about a year was just telling

641
00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:46,919
Speaker 1: me tonight that my voice lessons must be working because

642
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:48,880
Speaker 1: the tone of my voice while I was singing sounds

643
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:51,520
Speaker 1: so good. In reality, I quit the voice lessons more

644
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:53,480
Speaker 1: than a year ago. I just sound good at the

645
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:55,400
Speaker 1: moment because I've been a good no fapper for a

646
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:58,400
Speaker 1: week and a half. Oh my god. And then the

647
00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:01,719
Speaker 1: response to this is someone else who says I'm a

648
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:03,719
Speaker 1: singer too. And I found that at times when I'm

649
00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:06,440
Speaker 1: sexually sober, it feels like my voice electrifies the air

650
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:09,080
Speaker 1: around it. Also, I understand that Frank Sinatra used to

651
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:11,319
Speaker 1: sleep with a different woman every night, except when he

652
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:15,279
Speaker 1: was getting ready to record an album. Maybe that's why

653
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:18,480
Speaker 1: he was such a shitty singer. I love it. I

654
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:23,120
Speaker 1: love it, boy. I mean, you know, the great thing

655
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:25,360
Speaker 1: about no FAP is that there's such a huge historical

656
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:27,840
Speaker 1: precedent for it, and these guys like all they really

657
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:31,000
Speaker 1: want is is proof that other men throughout history have

658
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:33,480
Speaker 1: done the same thing as them and have been great.

659
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:36,960
Speaker 1: Uh So, like all of these, these these forums are

660
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:39,400
Speaker 1: just guys being like see Aristotle said it, you know,

661
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:42,960
Speaker 1: so it's gonna be true kind of thing. I I

662
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:45,000
Speaker 1: diated a guy once who told me that he thought

663
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:49,880
Speaker 1: um women were less attracted to him when he wore deodorant,

664
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:52,799
Speaker 1: like because of pheromones or whatever. And I was like,

665
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:56,160
Speaker 1: I don't know, I think that's true. I think you're

666
00:35:56,239 --> 00:36:00,400
Speaker 1: just being addictive people and that's why they don't like you. Yeah,

667
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:04,120
Speaker 1: it's uh. I I love the little theories people come

668
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:07,000
Speaker 1: up with things that they just want to do. I

669
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 1: mean it's so crazy too, because like I mean, just

670
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:12,719
Speaker 1: like the think and grow rich thing there are I

671
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:15,520
Speaker 1: can see how part of this like works, you know

672
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:17,120
Speaker 1: what I mean. I can see like a kernel of

673
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:19,959
Speaker 1: truth in this or how for some people it does work.

674
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:22,160
Speaker 1: Like if you're in the state of mind where you

675
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:25,840
Speaker 1: know you have you have money making opportunities, but or

676
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:29,400
Speaker 1: you have talent, but you just are paralyzed you know,

677
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:32,160
Speaker 1: by self loathing or or old ways of thinking and

678
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:34,279
Speaker 1: I can see why reading a self help book that

679
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:37,200
Speaker 1: states the obvious, you know, which is think about what

680
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:38,600
Speaker 1: you want and then make a plan for it. It's

681
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:41,359
Speaker 1: like very very helpful, you know. And and and it's

682
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:45,120
Speaker 1: it's the same thing with like with this no fab stuff.

683
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:47,120
Speaker 1: Like I can see if you're a creative person, if

684
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:49,440
Speaker 1: you're a musician or if you're a writer, uh, and

685
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 1: you're in the process of you're you're kinda put on

686
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:54,279
Speaker 1: a show or you're like writing something, and you want

687
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:56,319
Speaker 1: to have you you like want to be able to

688
00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:59,880
Speaker 1: bring that like powerful like sexual sort of like impulse

689
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:02,440
Speaker 1: to it. I can say, yeah, if you stop masturbating,

690
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:04,480
Speaker 1: you don't have sex for a few days, like yeah,

691
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 1: maybe you'll be in a mind state and better able

692
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:08,600
Speaker 1: to like convey that. If you're like singing a song

693
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:10,879
Speaker 1: about how badly you want to fux somebody in your

694
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:13,720
Speaker 1: Frank Sinatra, maybe yeah, don't you want to be horny

695
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:16,759
Speaker 1: as ship when you're I got people. It's just like

696
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 1: it's like a focus thing. It's like I'm not going

697
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:21,360
Speaker 1: to masturbate because I'm not doing anything. I'm just focusing

698
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:24,000
Speaker 1: on saving up all of my energy, you know, for this.

699
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:26,560
Speaker 1: But like to do it as as a lifestyle is

700
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:29,560
Speaker 1: so interesting because it's so dumb. What do these guys

701
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:34,920
Speaker 1: think they're getting out of not masturbating? Generally it's women? Yeah,

702
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:37,399
Speaker 1: which is I know that there is I will say,

703
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:39,480
Speaker 1: like I've read enough into that community to know that

704
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 1: there's a chunk of them for whom it's like, No,

705
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 1: I had a real problem masturbating and I was getting

706
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:46,000
Speaker 1: nothing done because I had just an Internet porn addiction,

707
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:49,120
Speaker 1: And like, if that's your situation, like totally reasonable, like

708
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:53,359
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna I'm not gonna feeling, especially if you've

709
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:55,960
Speaker 1: been um in it in such a way where you

710
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:58,640
Speaker 1: don't feel in control of your ability to masturbate, and

711
00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:02,520
Speaker 1: then you get you gain control. You know, it's a

712
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:05,120
Speaker 1: very empowering feeling, So like I get you know why

713
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:06,719
Speaker 1: that would be. It's like when you start to work

714
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:09,120
Speaker 1: out and you feel like you have, you know, more

715
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:11,320
Speaker 1: control over your body and you know, oh and my

716
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:14,799
Speaker 1: body can do more stuff than I realized. You know. Yeah,

717
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 1: It's just where it gets ridiculous is when you have

718
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:19,400
Speaker 1: to like turn it into a superpower and make it

719
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:22,040
Speaker 1: into this iron rule of nature. Yeah, and you have

720
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:24,719
Speaker 1: to like quote Napoleon Hill about it and why it's

721
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 1: actually good. Like, that's my least favorite genre of thing

722
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:31,920
Speaker 1: in human culture, is like people who find a thing

723
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:33,640
Speaker 1: that works for them and then need to find a

724
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 1: justification for why it's the best way for everyone to be. Um,

725
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:41,000
Speaker 1: it's like if because I'm a drug addict, I were like, No,

726
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:44,440
Speaker 1: I've I've discovered through research that human beings only have

727
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:47,719
Speaker 1: a set quantity of sobriety in their life, and so

728
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:50,479
Speaker 1: if you're not wasted most of the time, you can't

729
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:56,680
Speaker 1: be sober when it matters. It's that like, it's that ridiculous.

730
00:38:56,719 --> 00:39:00,719
Speaker 1: Like that is my my my self help book, Get

731
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:03,759
Speaker 1: Wasted and Grow Sober, which will be which will be

732
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:07,440
Speaker 1: coming out from not Hill in December nineteen, so you know,

733
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:09,880
Speaker 1: preorder it on Amazon. You know, there's a lot of

734
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:12,000
Speaker 1: wisdom in there, a lot of a lot of those

735
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:15,640
Speaker 1: success juels hidden in that book. Yeah. So, uh, this

736
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:17,759
Speaker 1: is a fun little digression. I always loved talking about

737
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:21,440
Speaker 1: the no FAP community. If you're if you're a no fapper,

738
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:23,879
Speaker 1: we're not trying to attack you, but if you call

739
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:26,719
Speaker 1: yourself a no fapper, it's fair game for us to

740
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:29,839
Speaker 1: giggle at. Yeah, come on, come, come on, come on.

741
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:31,600
Speaker 1: I don't need to know about whether you master it,

742
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:32,920
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. There's plenty. Here's the thing,

743
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:34,879
Speaker 1: there's plenty of people who don't masturbate and just never

744
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:38,279
Speaker 1: talk about it. Yeah, there's lots of non masturbators who

745
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:40,800
Speaker 1: don't talk about it. They're called women. I'm just kidding,

746
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:45,879
Speaker 1: women masturbator. Yeah. My bus driver doesn't masturbate. I asked

747
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:50,759
Speaker 1: him every day and he never said. That's probably so successful.

748
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:54,319
Speaker 1: I don't even write a bus but I just this

749
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:56,160
Speaker 1: guy is near my wait at the bus stop. I

750
00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:58,400
Speaker 1: wait for the doors to open. I say, do you masturbate?

751
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:01,560
Speaker 1: He says, no, go away? Did to come today? And

752
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:07,360
Speaker 1: I'm satisfied. Yeah, oh boy, okay, so I think and

753
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:10,440
Speaker 1: grow rich was a huge hit. And Napoleon and his

754
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:13,680
Speaker 1: new wife Rosalie both grew rich, and in the true

755
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:16,760
Speaker 1: Napoleon Hill fashion, they immediately spent all of their money

756
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:19,719
Speaker 1: as quickly as it came in, substantially faster than it

757
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:22,200
Speaker 1: came in. In fact, they were so busy buying cars

758
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:24,719
Speaker 1: and a mansion and other nonsense that they forgot to

759
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:27,600
Speaker 1: pay back Napoleon's son Blair for the three hundred dollars

760
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:29,400
Speaker 1: he'd loaned them that had made it possible for them

761
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:34,080
Speaker 1: to survival writing their self help book. Um classic Napoleon Hill.

762
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:37,160
Speaker 1: I love that he writes a book about how people

763
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:40,359
Speaker 1: who are successful do it completely on their own, due

764
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:43,200
Speaker 1: to their own minds, and totally deserve everything they make

765
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:46,040
Speaker 1: and then fails to repay his son the three hundred

766
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:48,200
Speaker 1: dollars that allowed him to not live on the street

767
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:49,920
Speaker 1: while he was writing the book that made him rich.

768
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:52,200
Speaker 1: And the crazy thing is he really believes all this,

769
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:54,359
Speaker 1: Like he you know, I'm sure he was like an

770
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:57,200
Speaker 1: arch conservative, and he was like, you can only do

771
00:40:57,200 --> 00:40:59,760
Speaker 1: you know, you can only achieve success through individual effort

772
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:03,720
Speaker 1: when the entire circumstances of his life are he's dependent

773
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:06,080
Speaker 1: on other people to fall for his lies so he

774
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:08,319
Speaker 1: can scam them out of money, and then he just

775
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:12,319
Speaker 1: leans on various family members and non family members, you know,

776
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:16,400
Speaker 1: his wife's family members until they get sick of him. Yeah.

777
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:20,279
Speaker 1: I cannot think of anybody more supported by a community

778
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 1: of people. This is literally no individual achievement at all

779
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:28,120
Speaker 1: in his life. He's never made anything that anyone wanted

780
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:31,319
Speaker 1: except for this book. And he's like, here's the thing

781
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:35,560
Speaker 1: I did at bootstraps. M Yeah, I bootstrapped my way

782
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:40,400
Speaker 1: into into Yeah, it's it's it's. There's a lesson in

783
00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:43,680
Speaker 1: the story of Napoleon Hill. If you can figure out

784
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:47,359
Speaker 1: what the lessons, yeah, tweeted us, tweeted us, or by

785
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:51,520
Speaker 1: bolt cutters. A lot of a lot of rich people

786
00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:56,000
Speaker 1: gates out there anyway. Um Yeah. Rosa wrote Blair a

787
00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 1: letter bragging that she and Napoleon were so rich that

788
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:01,480
Speaker 1: they were now considering retire ring. Blair sent back a

789
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:04,200
Speaker 1: letter asking if she might pay him back now uh,

790
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:08,200
Speaker 1: and Rosa did not respond to this. Blair wrote his mother, Florence,

791
00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:11,719
Speaker 1: a letter, calling his dad quote an unscrupulous holier than

792
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:15,000
Speaker 1: now two timing, double crossing, good for nothing, which is

793
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:20,120
Speaker 1: pretty fair. Yeah, and also you know a very uh,

794
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:24,960
Speaker 1: a very fair and um clean assessment. Yeah. By nineteen

795
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 1: thirty nine, however, the money had started to dry up.

796
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:30,000
Speaker 1: Napoleon and Rosalie cooked up a plot to try and

797
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:33,160
Speaker 1: draw interest back to their book and reinvigorate sales. They

798
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:35,720
Speaker 1: started claiming that they were going to adopt fifteen children

799
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:38,719
Speaker 1: and raise them to be ideal Americans. They hinted that

800
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:41,600
Speaker 1: they discovered all of the bad parenting habits that most

801
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:44,200
Speaker 1: Americans were ruining their kids with. One of the big

802
00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 1: ones is abandoning your children. That's a big one. That

803
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:52,759
Speaker 1: that one's fine in Napoleon Hill's case, that's actually the

804
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:57,200
Speaker 1: most responsible parenting habits is to abandon your children. Like

805
00:42:57,280 --> 00:42:59,919
Speaker 1: adopting fifteen children is is maybe one of the worst

806
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:03,280
Speaker 1: ideas he's ever had. Yeah, that's it's a terrible idea.

807
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:06,880
Speaker 1: And it never happened. Thinks it seems it was. It

808
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:09,279
Speaker 1: was either just a scam to get attention or it

809
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:11,319
Speaker 1: was supposed to be they were like maybe working on

810
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:13,200
Speaker 1: another book, Like it seems like they might have been

811
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:15,759
Speaker 1: trying to put together a childcare book. But either way,

812
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 1: the scheme didn't happen because their marriage started to crumble

813
00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:21,600
Speaker 1: shortly thereafter. And we'll talk about the sex cult that

814
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:23,880
Speaker 1: tried to raise an immortal baby that got sort of

815
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:35,840
Speaker 1: related to Napoleon Hill. But first products we're back, I

816
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:39,200
Speaker 1: gotta know more. Yeah, this is the story that people

817
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:42,040
Speaker 1: reached out to me with wanting to know about when

818
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:45,400
Speaker 1: they suggested Napoleon Hill as a bastard. Is this immortal

819
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:50,440
Speaker 1: baby cult that he got involved with, And it's not

820
00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:54,160
Speaker 1: really that interesting a story. Um, everything else about Napoleon's

821
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:56,520
Speaker 1: life is way more interesting. But there's a neat story,

822
00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:58,120
Speaker 1: but it's just not it's not a very long one.

823
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:00,520
Speaker 1: The cliffs notes is this. There was a your cult

824
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:03,400
Speaker 1: called the Royal Fraternity of Master Metaphysicians led by a

825
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:10,080
Speaker 1: guy named James Bernard Shaeferhysicians, Yeah, metaphysicians. Yeah, it'll you'll

826
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:12,239
Speaker 1: understand why in a second. They were led by a

827
00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:14,239
Speaker 1: guy named James Bernard Schaefer and were a part of

828
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:17,120
Speaker 1: the New Thought movement. Most of their teachings revolved around

829
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:19,920
Speaker 1: thinking things into reality. Um. So they were kind of

830
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:22,080
Speaker 1: in that original strain of the New Thought movement where

831
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:25,359
Speaker 1: you could think yourself into better health. Um. And they

832
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:28,400
Speaker 1: had around ten thousand members at their height. Uh. And

833
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:30,239
Speaker 1: in nineteen thirty nine they were a little by a

834
00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:33,279
Speaker 1: gigantic mansion in Long Island. Now the cult fell in

835
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 1: love with Think and Grow Rich and quickly adopted it

836
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:39,120
Speaker 1: as one of their primary religious texts. And then in

837
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:42,040
Speaker 1: nineteen thirty nine, the colt decided to adopt a baby

838
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:45,600
Speaker 1: and make it immortal. Uh. They sort of adopted and

839
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:48,920
Speaker 1: sort of bribed the mother of a baby named Jane gaunt.

840
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:52,080
Speaker 1: According to a write up from hoaxes dot org quote,

841
00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:55,120
Speaker 1: Baby Jean was given a private nursery where, in addition

842
00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:57,279
Speaker 1: to a nurse who attended her twenty four hours a day,

843
00:44:57,480 --> 00:45:00,399
Speaker 1: she was constantly watched over by Schaefer's followers. The plan

844
00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:02,319
Speaker 1: was to make her immortal by never allowing her to

845
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:05,040
Speaker 1: hear mention of death or disease, nor would she be

846
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:08,160
Speaker 1: exposed to any bad or destructive thoughts. No unkind words

847
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:10,319
Speaker 1: would ever be spoken in her presence. She would eat

848
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:13,080
Speaker 1: in all vegetarian eternity diet. As she grew older, she

849
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 1: would learn about tobacco, coffee, tea, mustard, vinegar, and spices,

850
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:20,520
Speaker 1: but she would never consume any of them. Mustard, Yeah,

851
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:24,680
Speaker 1: mustard second, right, mustard and tea in the same level

852
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:30,560
Speaker 1: with tobacco and alcohol. Mormons eat mustard, right, Yes, I

853
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:34,600
Speaker 1: think Mormons are fine with mustard anti mustard sandwich prepared

854
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:40,600
Speaker 1: to me by Mormons, the Royal Society of fucking mustard haters. Yeah,

855
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:43,799
Speaker 1: fucking mustard haters. It's also so cruel that you're gonna,

856
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:46,279
Speaker 1: like raise this baby and you're gonna tell her about

857
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:48,920
Speaker 1: alcohol and tobacco and coffee. But like, but you can

858
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:52,960
Speaker 1: never have these. Yeah, you're presumably as you smoke chamber,

859
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:56,040
Speaker 1: you might as well just never tell her about them. Yeah,

860
00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:57,960
Speaker 1: you're never going to tell her about death, but you

861
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:00,319
Speaker 1: will tell her about alcohol, but say she can't take

862
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:05,120
Speaker 1: it because why I feel like the growing up and

863
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:09,319
Speaker 1: no one ever talking about death. Yeah, thankfully she did

864
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:14,919
Speaker 1: not because none of this worked out. But immediately thought

865
00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:19,480
Speaker 1: plan didn't go anywhere. Well, the baby's mother sued the

866
00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:23,840
Speaker 1: cult for essentially abducting abducting their kid, and Napoleon doesn't

867
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:26,440
Speaker 1: really interact with this story much as far as I

868
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:29,040
Speaker 1: can tell. His main crosses with this is both that

869
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:34,040
Speaker 1: the the cult used his book as like a religious text. Uh,

870
00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:38,040
Speaker 1: and they made him Baby Jean's godfather. But I'm not

871
00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:40,919
Speaker 1: aware of him ever actually meeting Baby Jean or even

872
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:44,920
Speaker 1: having much to do with them. But like, yeah, he

873
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:47,120
Speaker 1: was not really I don't think he was a big

874
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:49,120
Speaker 1: part of this. They did pose the baby with a

875
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:51,560
Speaker 1: picture of his book. It seems like one of those

876
00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:54,200
Speaker 1: things where he would have just would have totally him

877
00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:59,279
Speaker 1: posing with Edison baby. It seems like he probably would

878
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:01,719
Speaker 1: have gotten on board with what the cult was doing

879
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:03,439
Speaker 1: if it had like worked out at all, and they'd

880
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:05,839
Speaker 1: attracted a lot of media attention. But it's just going

881
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:08,400
Speaker 1: with this plan. But it didn't really go anywhere, and

882
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:12,840
Speaker 1: it certainly wasn't his his main burner. Scam Um. His

883
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:15,000
Speaker 1: only direct interaction with the cult as far as I

884
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:17,080
Speaker 1: can tell, is that he may have gotten its leader

885
00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:19,920
Speaker 1: embroiled in a scam that eventually landed in a suicide.

886
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:23,359
Speaker 1: I meant, who has he not embroiled at a scam? Yeah?

887
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:29,000
Speaker 1: The whole world. Yeah. In the early nineteen forties, Schaeffer,

888
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:31,240
Speaker 1: the cult leader, convinced one of his wealthy cult members

889
00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:33,279
Speaker 1: to give him a lot of money to buy a magazine.

890
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:36,440
Speaker 1: The magazine flopped, and she sued him for grand larceny,

891
00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:38,560
Speaker 1: for which he did five years in sing Sing prison.

892
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:41,080
Speaker 1: In his appeal in court to try to fight via

893
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:44,720
Speaker 1: the sentence, he claimed, quote, Napoleon Hill came to me, honor,

894
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:47,160
Speaker 1: about the first of December nineteen thirty nine, and told

895
00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:49,280
Speaker 1: me that he had an opportunity to purchase a magazine

896
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:51,840
Speaker 1: called Psychology for about five thousand dollars, and that we

897
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:54,960
Speaker 1: could each put up dollars and become partners. He told

898
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:57,200
Speaker 1: me that although the magazine was then in very bad condition.

899
00:47:57,239 --> 00:47:59,359
Speaker 1: It had once made twenty five tho dollars a year,

900
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:01,319
Speaker 1: and he thought that could be built up again. I

901
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:04,160
Speaker 1: was interested, but told him I hadn't the money. I decided, however,

902
00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:06,600
Speaker 1: to try and borrow dollars to go into the venture,

903
00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:08,839
Speaker 1: and with that in view, approached Mina Schmidt, the lady

904
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:11,080
Speaker 1: who sued him for the loan. I quickly stated her

905
00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:12,839
Speaker 1: the purpose for which I wanted the money, with which

906
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:15,000
Speaker 1: I had been told by Mr Hill, concerning the history

907
00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:17,239
Speaker 1: of the magazine and what he thought of the future prospects,

908
00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:20,960
Speaker 1: notwithstanding its poor financial condition at the time. So that

909
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:23,600
Speaker 1: was Schaefer's appeal. He claims that Napoleon came up with

910
00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:25,480
Speaker 1: a scam that got him put in prison, but his

911
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:28,120
Speaker 1: appeal was rejected. He may have just been lying. He

912
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:30,080
Speaker 1: did five years in prison, and then he and his

913
00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:33,200
Speaker 1: wife shot themselves in their car several years after being released.

914
00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:36,960
Speaker 1: So it's hard for me to tell how direct Napoleon's

915
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:39,040
Speaker 1: role in any of this was. But just based on

916
00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:41,520
Speaker 1: his personal history, I don't have any trouble believing that

917
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:43,640
Speaker 1: he used these people's trust in him to swindle them

918
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:47,080
Speaker 1: out of Yeah, that sounds like something he definitely has

919
00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 1: done before literally hundreds of times. Now, the good news

920
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:54,520
Speaker 1: is that Napoleon himself did finally meet a grifter who

921
00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:58,400
Speaker 1: was more than his match. His fourth right wife, Rosalie,

922
00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:03,000
Speaker 1: in money running out, she finally got tired of him

923
00:49:03,120 --> 00:49:05,400
Speaker 1: while he was away giving lectures. She sold off all

924
00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:08,120
Speaker 1: of their property, including his beloved Rolls Royce, and then

925
00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:11,120
Speaker 1: ran off and served him with divorce papers. Her justification

926
00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:13,720
Speaker 1: was that he cheated on her, which was probably true,

927
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:17,960
Speaker 1: but considering Rosalie also immediately married her divorce lawyer, it's

928
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:20,680
Speaker 1: equally likely that Napoleon just met a grifter who was

929
00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:25,399
Speaker 1: faster on the draw than he was. She got right

930
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:27,560
Speaker 1: the funk out of there, sold off all their ship

931
00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:31,120
Speaker 1: and gone, And then she wrote self help books because

932
00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:32,920
Speaker 1: now that she had been attached to Napoleon Hill, she

933
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:35,040
Speaker 1: didn't need him anymore. She could get self help totally.

934
00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:37,160
Speaker 1: She gave him the old Napoleon Hill treatment. She got

935
00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:40,120
Speaker 1: in there, got a selfie, and left. She Napoleon Hill,

936
00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:43,600
Speaker 1: Napoleon Hill, I love it. Yeah, that's a happy ending

937
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:46,600
Speaker 1: for a scammer. Story is like, he marries this woman

938
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:49,160
Speaker 1: twenty something years younger than him, and you think he's

939
00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:51,000
Speaker 1: going to take advantage of her, but then she just

940
00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:54,719
Speaker 1: robs him. Well, here's the thing. First, she makes him rich,

941
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:58,040
Speaker 1: like she she writes his best selling but she translates

942
00:49:58,040 --> 00:50:01,800
Speaker 1: his ramblings into like one of the best selling books

943
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:08,799
Speaker 1: of all time. And then that damn yeah absolutely, um yeah,

944
00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:11,960
Speaker 1: So Oliver Napoleon Hill never again repeated the staggering success

945
00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:13,880
Speaker 1: of Think and Grow Rich. He continued to write in

946
00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:16,160
Speaker 1: lecture for the rest of his life, but most of

947
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:18,800
Speaker 1: that life was spent near the edge of financial collapse.

948
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:22,439
Speaker 1: His next book, Mental Dynamite, published in nineteen forty one,

949
00:50:22,719 --> 00:50:26,040
Speaker 1: was a flop. You know, fill in your own Napoleon

950
00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:30,520
Speaker 1: Dynamite joke here, yeah, yeah, he'll yeah, damn it, you're right. Uh,

951
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:32,440
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know what the joke is, but

952
00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:34,439
Speaker 1: there's got to be one in there. They'll make one.

953
00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:38,120
Speaker 1: They don't make now. He'll married again in nineteen forty three,

954
00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:40,239
Speaker 1: and he made minor news in nineteen fifty three when

955
00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:42,439
Speaker 1: he started urging the government to in the Korean War

956
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:45,800
Speaker 1: by nuking every single city in Russia. Um, which is

957
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:49,640
Speaker 1: an interesting solution to the Korean War. What if we

958
00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:52,560
Speaker 1: kill all the Russians? Anybody tried that that sentence had

959
00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:57,160
Speaker 1: a real twist ending. Yeah, he was an arch conservative,

960
00:50:57,200 --> 00:50:59,839
Speaker 1: like you get the feeling he and General MacArthur would

961
00:50:59,840 --> 00:51:04,480
Speaker 1: have in along. Now, Napoleon Hill himself would know no

962
00:51:04,560 --> 00:51:07,200
Speaker 1: more great success in his life, But in nineteen fifty

963
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:09,719
Speaker 1: two a book he inspired and helped the craft did

964
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:13,440
Speaker 1: become a big success, The Power of Positive Thinking by

965
00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:16,840
Speaker 1: Norman Vincent Peel. Now, The Power of Positive Thinking is

966
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:18,800
Speaker 1: still today one of the most influential books in this

967
00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:22,320
Speaker 1: self helped genre, and Peele credited Napoleon Hill with helping

968
00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:25,440
Speaker 1: him write the book. Now you may not have heard

969
00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:28,560
Speaker 1: of Norman Vincent Peel, but someone who does know who

970
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:32,600
Speaker 1: that guy is is President Donald Trump, because Norman Vincent

971
00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:35,480
Speaker 1: Peel was Donald Trump's pastor when Trump was a child.

972
00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:39,520
Speaker 1: Decades later, Donald Trump recalled quote, you always when the

973
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:42,040
Speaker 1: service was over, you'd have said, I'd have sat there

974
00:51:42,080 --> 00:51:44,480
Speaker 1: another hour. There aren't too many people like that. It

975
00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:48,480
Speaker 1: wasn't the speaking ability, it was the thought process for you. See.

976
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:51,200
Speaker 1: Norman Vincent Peel was part of a tradition in American

977
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:56,200
Speaker 1: Christianity called Christian libertarianism. The movement was spawned by conservative

978
00:51:56,200 --> 00:51:59,120
Speaker 1: Protestant preachers who hated the New Deal and believed quote

979
00:51:59,239 --> 00:52:02,360
Speaker 1: freedom from government is a necessary part of freedom under God.

980
00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:05,799
Speaker 1: And while Napoleon Hill wouldn't have identified himself as one

981
00:52:05,840 --> 00:52:09,560
Speaker 1: of these sorts exactly, his writing laid the groundwork for them.

982
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:12,120
Speaker 1: I'm gonna quote again from that article on New Thought

983
00:52:12,239 --> 00:52:16,920
Speaker 1: from the Conversation quote. Peel's message was unequivocally nationalistic, as

984
00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:19,719
Speaker 1: his storian Christopher Lane writes, the idea that American needed

985
00:52:19,719 --> 00:52:22,120
Speaker 1: a pro Christian nationalism to head off an attack of

986
00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:25,360
Speaker 1: atheistic communism was central to Peal's message, and He's stuck

987
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:29,120
Speaker 1: to it zealously. Peel's identity as God's salesman for positive

988
00:52:29,120 --> 00:52:31,440
Speaker 1: thinking was inseparable from his belief that only in a

989
00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:35,680
Speaker 1: free market society could Christianity thrive. The article goes on

990
00:52:35,719 --> 00:52:38,600
Speaker 1: a note that quote American exceptionalism is at the heart

991
00:52:38,600 --> 00:52:42,040
Speaker 1: of Trump's Christianity. As theologian Stanley Hower Was puts it,

992
00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:44,800
Speaker 1: Christianity and Peel's hands was closer to a set of

993
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:47,239
Speaker 1: beliefs a follower could make up to suit their desires.

994
00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:50,160
Speaker 1: Trump has adopted the strategy and applies it to the country.

995
00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:54,279
Speaker 1: The link between Christianity and nationalism was evident a. Trump's inauguration,

996
00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:57,600
Speaker 1: when Prosperity Gospel minister Paula White said in her invocation,

997
00:52:57,880 --> 00:53:00,439
Speaker 1: we recognize that every good and every perfect the gift

998
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:02,680
Speaker 1: comes from you, and the United States of America is

999
00:53:02,719 --> 00:53:07,480
Speaker 1: your gift for which we proclaim gratitude. So that's neat. Yeah,

1000
00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:13,080
Speaker 1: Napoleon Hill ties into the today. Wow. Well uh oh boy,

1001
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:15,080
Speaker 1: I mean this is all just Isn't this really just

1002
00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:19,680
Speaker 1: manifest destiny repackaged? Yeah? Well yeah, yeah, it is that

1003
00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:22,880
Speaker 1: same idea, which is like man, the manifest destiny is

1004
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:25,399
Speaker 1: the idea you need to tell any people anywhere who

1005
00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:28,520
Speaker 1: are on top, because it's the for one thing promises

1006
00:53:28,520 --> 00:53:30,880
Speaker 1: to them that you'll stay on top forever. Yeah. And

1007
00:53:30,920 --> 00:53:33,040
Speaker 1: not only that you're you're on top and you'll stay

1008
00:53:33,080 --> 00:53:37,719
Speaker 1: on top, but that everything you get through destroying other

1009
00:53:37,719 --> 00:53:42,680
Speaker 1: people's lives is actually an expression of Divine will through you.

1010
00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:47,120
Speaker 1: Any financial power that you amass and and money is

1011
00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:51,400
Speaker 1: not a system of value created by and able to

1012
00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:54,759
Speaker 1: be destroyed by human beings, but is in fact just

1013
00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:59,839
Speaker 1: an expression of God's will that is infallible. Yeah. If

1014
00:53:59,840 --> 00:54:02,560
Speaker 1: you if you're somebody living in a giant mansion built

1015
00:54:02,600 --> 00:54:05,400
Speaker 1: on grifted cash, and you're hearing someone like me talking

1016
00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:07,640
Speaker 1: about how people should buy bolt cutters so they can

1017
00:54:07,680 --> 00:54:09,880
Speaker 1: make their way through your gates and take all of

1018
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:13,000
Speaker 1: your things. You need to believe that God himself has

1019
00:54:13,120 --> 00:54:15,959
Speaker 1: ordained your position and is protecting you. Otherwise you're gonna

1020
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:18,000
Speaker 1: have a lot of trouble sleeping at night. Yeah. And also,

1021
00:54:18,120 --> 00:54:20,200
Speaker 1: you know, even when people aren't scared, but when rich

1022
00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:22,880
Speaker 1: people just feel guilty. You know when when rich people

1023
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:26,200
Speaker 1: see the amount of suffering in the world of people

1024
00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:28,279
Speaker 1: who do not have the same wealth that they do,

1025
00:54:28,360 --> 00:54:30,360
Speaker 1: and they feel guilty and they think, well, maybe I

1026
00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:32,680
Speaker 1: should be doing something about this, And then Norman Vince

1027
00:54:32,680 --> 00:54:34,440
Speaker 1: appeal is like no, no, no, no no no no

1028
00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:36,440
Speaker 1: no no no no no no no no no no

1029
00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:40,680
Speaker 1: no no no no no no. Yeah. So other politicians

1030
00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:43,319
Speaker 1: who are more directly influenced by Napoleon Hill include Newt

1031
00:54:43,320 --> 00:54:45,160
Speaker 1: gang Ridge, who read Think and Grow Rich as a

1032
00:54:45,200 --> 00:54:47,680
Speaker 1: young man, and Mitt Romney, who was born rich and

1033
00:54:47,719 --> 00:54:50,360
Speaker 1: probably didn't need to do much thinking to stay that way.

1034
00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:53,560
Speaker 1: The Secret, which would sell fifteen million copies, It was

1035
00:54:53,600 --> 00:54:56,640
Speaker 1: basically a twenty one century rewriting of Napoleon's masterpiece of

1036
00:54:56,640 --> 00:55:00,440
Speaker 1: positive thinking. Tony Robbins, Jack Canfield, Stephen V and a

1037
00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:03,480
Speaker 1: platoon of other modern self help gurus all site Napoleon

1038
00:55:03,560 --> 00:55:06,680
Speaker 1: Hill as foundational parts of their own grifts, although they

1039
00:55:06,719 --> 00:55:09,200
Speaker 1: don't call what they do grift ing obviously, even though

1040
00:55:09,239 --> 00:55:13,280
Speaker 1: they are now Napoleon Hill died in Greenville General Hospital

1041
00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:16,520
Speaker 1: in South Carolina at six thirty pm on Sunday, November eighth,

1042
00:55:16,680 --> 00:55:20,279
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy. He was almost penniless. I could end this

1043
00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:22,400
Speaker 1: by pointing out that his work has outlived him, that

1044
00:55:22,440 --> 00:55:25,319
Speaker 1: a Napoleon Hill Foundation continues to sell every book he

1045
00:55:25,360 --> 00:55:27,440
Speaker 1: ever published, and that he has enjoyed something of a

1046
00:55:27,480 --> 00:55:31,640
Speaker 1: renaissance in our modern Gilded Age. But instead, I'd like

1047
00:55:31,719 --> 00:55:33,959
Speaker 1: to end by reading part of a weird ass essay

1048
00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:36,840
Speaker 1: I found written about how Napoleon Hill hid secret magic

1049
00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:42,000
Speaker 1: rituals in his books. Okay, I found this on a

1050
00:55:42,040 --> 00:55:45,279
Speaker 1: website called Butterfly Language dot com, which is apparently the

1051
00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:48,520
Speaker 1: blog of a woman named Valerie Diorazzio who's she's a

1052
00:55:48,560 --> 00:55:50,960
Speaker 1: comic book and video game writer who's worked for DC,

1053
00:55:51,160 --> 00:55:53,560
Speaker 1: Marvel and other big names, and she's also really into

1054
00:55:53,560 --> 00:55:57,000
Speaker 1: the occult. And she alleges that Norman Vincent Peel and

1055
00:55:57,080 --> 00:56:03,880
Speaker 1: Napoleon Hill were basically sneaking magic into uh like mainstream

1056
00:56:03,960 --> 00:56:08,920
Speaker 1: Christian thought. Yeah yeah quote. Both Hill and Peel discuss

1057
00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:11,799
Speaker 1: such heavy stuff as thought energy, create a visualization, and

1058
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Speaker 1: flat out mental telepathy, but they do it within a

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Speaker 1: judaeo Christian context that wouldn't freak out the mass audience

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Speaker 1: at the time. Basically, they got that stuff in under

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Speaker 1: the radar, and they do it in the most stripped

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Speaker 1: down simple form possible. Some critics appeal, and they are admittedly.

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00:56:25,200 --> 00:56:28,279
Speaker 1: Legion accused him of essentially practicing some sort of hypnosis

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00:56:28,320 --> 00:56:30,640
Speaker 1: voodoo on his readers by repeating the same stuff over

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Speaker 1: and over. But it also works. It works. The Power

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Speaker 1: of Positive Thinking is one of the most occult books

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00:56:35,320 --> 00:56:37,799
Speaker 1: I've ever read, specifically because it is presented as the

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00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:40,560
Speaker 1: exact opposite of such and thus seeps directly into your

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Speaker 1: subconscious She goes on to note it should be no

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Speaker 1: surprise that towards the end of his life, Napoleon Hill

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00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:48,400
Speaker 1: admitted that he was literally in touch with an extra

1072
00:56:48,400 --> 00:56:51,560
Speaker 1: dimensional entity called the Master, through whom he pretty much

1073
00:56:51,640 --> 00:56:53,920
Speaker 1: channeled parts of his books. This is the author of

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00:56:53,960 --> 00:56:56,160
Speaker 1: Think and Grow Rich Folks, one of the most recommended

1075
00:56:56,200 --> 00:57:01,080
Speaker 1: business groups of all time. Uh, so that's fun. So

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00:57:01,120 --> 00:57:02,960
Speaker 1: there's so he's really he is a lot more like

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00:57:03,080 --> 00:57:05,000
Speaker 1: l around Hoeverard than we thought. There's like an alien

1078
00:57:05,080 --> 00:57:08,400
Speaker 1: that's telling him what to write in his books. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And she also notes that Norman Vincent Peel had a

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00:57:11,440 --> 00:57:13,520
Speaker 1: lot of weird magic stuff in his own book, Like

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00:57:13,600 --> 00:57:16,400
Speaker 1: he talked about something called the other self and the

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00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:20,640
Speaker 1: presence that like almost this like quasi magical thing. Is

1083
00:57:20,680 --> 00:57:25,520
Speaker 1: it just like astral projection? Yeah? I really don't know. Um,

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Speaker 1: you know I thought about this, especially when there was

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00:57:27,480 --> 00:57:31,560
Speaker 1: that whole Trump Jim Baker coin thing. Um, you remember

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00:57:31,560 --> 00:57:33,240
Speaker 1: that when they were advertising on Fox News. It was

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00:57:33,400 --> 00:57:35,400
Speaker 1: a couple of months ago. Uh. There they made a

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00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:38,680
Speaker 1: gold coin with Donald Trump not quite in profile because

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00:57:38,680 --> 00:57:40,840
Speaker 1: it turned out in profile he looked very bad. Um,

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00:57:40,840 --> 00:57:44,040
Speaker 1: but sort of a downward downward diagonal profile and then

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Speaker 1: King Cyrus of Persia profile and they were selling this

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00:57:48,600 --> 00:57:50,440
Speaker 1: for four or five dollars. And what was crazy to

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00:57:50,560 --> 00:57:53,320
Speaker 1: me when I watched this clip was, you know, I've

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00:57:53,320 --> 00:57:57,080
Speaker 1: seen coin commercials, but I've never seen one where the

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00:57:57,200 --> 00:58:02,000
Speaker 1: pastor and the salesman is referring to it as a

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00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:05,960
Speaker 1: um as a prayer coin. And what he says is

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00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:08,600
Speaker 1: if you buy this prayer coin and you hold it

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00:58:08,640 --> 00:58:10,800
Speaker 1: while you pray for Donald Trump, and you pray to

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Speaker 1: bless America, all of our collective prayers will be transmit.

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Speaker 1: The coin itself is a is a fucking amulets. I mean,

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Speaker 1: that's that's what he's describing. He's describing an object that

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00:58:24,760 --> 00:58:28,800
Speaker 1: you put your magical energy into that then transmits that

1103
00:58:28,880 --> 00:58:32,959
Speaker 1: magical energy through the power of representation and focused thought,

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00:58:33,120 --> 00:58:36,360
Speaker 1: which is magic. That's all magical practice. This is a

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00:58:36,440 --> 00:58:39,920
Speaker 1: cult as fuck. And how is this on a conservative

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00:58:39,960 --> 00:58:42,440
Speaker 1: Christian channel? Isn't the whole point of Christianity that you're

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00:58:42,440 --> 00:58:45,240
Speaker 1: not supposed to pray to objects that you're not supposed

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00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:48,480
Speaker 1: to have idols, that that the connection to God is

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00:58:48,800 --> 00:58:53,439
Speaker 1: either direct or through a religious leader. And I think

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Speaker 1: that might be a little bit of the point that

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00:58:55,600 --> 00:58:58,520
Speaker 1: both that article on the New Thought movement and that uh,

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00:58:58,920 --> 00:59:03,080
Speaker 1: this Valerie Arazzio woman was making is that like Napoleon

1113
00:59:03,200 --> 00:59:06,400
Speaker 1: Hill is like kind of integral and sort of sneaking

1114
00:59:06,880 --> 00:59:11,439
Speaker 1: occult thinking into modern American Christianity. And like why that's

1115
00:59:11,440 --> 00:59:14,120
Speaker 1: why some of this stuff has gotten so weird is

1116
00:59:14,160 --> 00:59:17,160
Speaker 1: because of his influence and guys like Norman Vincent Peel,

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00:59:17,600 --> 00:59:20,840
Speaker 1: which I think might mean that Donald Trump is technically

1118
00:59:20,880 --> 00:59:27,760
Speaker 1: an evil wizard. Um. So you know, there's that information

1119
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Speaker 1: for you. That's the episode. That's all I got. It's

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00:59:30,560 --> 00:59:38,360
Speaker 1: really funny to prosperity Gospel. Christianity is some of like simultaneously, um,

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00:59:38,640 --> 00:59:42,800
Speaker 1: the coolest most fusion Christianity because it's basically magic, but

1122
00:59:42,960 --> 00:59:47,800
Speaker 1: also um, some of the dirtiest, most exploitative, uh of

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00:59:48,200 --> 00:59:51,920
Speaker 1: modern religion that we've ever seen, which is just getting

1124
00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:55,280
Speaker 1: old people to give you their money. It's indulgences. Essentially,

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Speaker 1: it's like, give us the money and you get to

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Speaker 1: go to heaven. Um, Yeah, and we'll put in a

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00:59:59,800 --> 01:00:03,080
Speaker 1: word with God for you. But also you're putting in

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Speaker 1: a word with God for yourself by giving money to

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Speaker 1: this pastor who is already incredibly wealthy. It's frustrated to

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Speaker 1: me because actual occult rituals and stuff are so much

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01:00:14,400 --> 01:00:16,880
Speaker 1: more fun. Like I'm not a believer in any of that,

1132
01:00:16,920 --> 01:00:19,480
Speaker 1: but I've participated in some stuff with friends of mine,

1133
01:00:19,520 --> 01:00:22,479
Speaker 1: like weird goetic ceremonies and stuff where like you're drawn

1134
01:00:22,520 --> 01:00:24,760
Speaker 1: over the floor and there's candles everywhere, and people are

1135
01:00:24,760 --> 01:00:27,880
Speaker 1: like chanting and like you've got like people like baking

1136
01:00:28,040 --> 01:00:31,160
Speaker 1: like like blood into like wafer crackers and stuff in

1137
01:00:31,240 --> 01:00:33,760
Speaker 1: order to have like a sacrament and stuff like it's

1138
01:00:33,840 --> 01:00:37,160
Speaker 1: it's it's cool and weird and wacky. That's what makes

1139
01:00:37,160 --> 01:00:40,280
Speaker 1: it interesting is that you have fucking incense and candles

1140
01:00:40,320 --> 01:00:42,840
Speaker 1: and you get dressed up in special clothes and yeah,

1141
01:00:42,920 --> 01:00:45,680
Speaker 1: that's fun. That's all. It's fun. And it's also on purpose.

1142
01:00:45,720 --> 01:00:48,960
Speaker 1: It's to put you in a spiritual mindset or whatever,

1143
01:00:49,080 --> 01:00:50,840
Speaker 1: you know. So it's like the power of positive thinking

1144
01:00:50,840 --> 01:00:53,800
Speaker 1: and thinking you grow rich. Are just um that kind

1145
01:00:53,840 --> 01:00:57,520
Speaker 1: of like focused thinking type behavior of like casting a

1146
01:00:57,560 --> 01:01:00,760
Speaker 1: spell or whatever, but without all the fun stuff. No robes,

1147
01:01:00,880 --> 01:01:05,080
Speaker 1: no candles, just an old nobody's taken acid. Yeah, yeah,

1148
01:01:05,160 --> 01:01:08,720
Speaker 1: it's it's bullshit. If he had just included a paragraph

1149
01:01:08,840 --> 01:01:10,840
Speaker 1: that said, and if you take acid and funk while

1150
01:01:10,880 --> 01:01:13,360
Speaker 1: doing all this, it works even better. No, no, no, no,

1151
01:01:13,440 --> 01:01:16,240
Speaker 1: fucking yeah, we'd be in a very different place as

1152
01:01:16,240 --> 01:01:19,720
Speaker 1: a country. But we're not. Well, this is this is

1153
01:01:19,760 --> 01:01:23,040
Speaker 1: all very good evidence for why no one should ever

1154
01:01:23,080 --> 01:01:26,080
Speaker 1: go to business school. Yeah, don't go to business school.

1155
01:01:26,200 --> 01:01:28,600
Speaker 1: Just visualize a path for success and then you'll be

1156
01:01:28,720 --> 01:01:34,240
Speaker 1: rich and don't check off. Ever, don't jack off think

1157
01:01:34,280 --> 01:01:37,880
Speaker 1: about being successful. Don't learn how like the stock market works,

1158
01:01:38,040 --> 01:01:40,840
Speaker 1: or like how to how to maintain payroll, or like

1159
01:01:41,320 --> 01:01:43,919
Speaker 1: don't learn a don't learn a trade, don't don't don't

1160
01:01:44,000 --> 01:01:48,240
Speaker 1: learn a trade, are useless a lot of stuff, don't deliver,

1161
01:01:48,440 --> 01:01:50,520
Speaker 1: get the money and tell them they can be whatever

1162
01:01:50,560 --> 01:01:55,440
Speaker 1: they want to be. Yeah, just just uh griff and

1163
01:01:55,520 --> 01:02:01,000
Speaker 1: abandon everyone in your life until you die penniless. Um.

1164
01:02:01,040 --> 01:02:04,040
Speaker 1: That that's the Napoleon Hill method. I do like that.

1165
01:02:04,080 --> 01:02:06,280
Speaker 1: He's one of the only guys like this we talk

1166
01:02:06,320 --> 01:02:10,400
Speaker 1: about who actually ends up without any fucking money. Um,

1167
01:02:10,480 --> 01:02:13,240
Speaker 1: because he was he was never good at any of this.

1168
01:02:13,400 --> 01:02:17,560
Speaker 1: He's a bad scammer. He's a bad stammer who got lucky.

1169
01:02:17,640 --> 01:02:20,800
Speaker 1: He's a bad scammer who wrote one successful book and

1170
01:02:20,840 --> 01:02:23,520
Speaker 1: then found a scammer who was better than him, who

1171
01:02:23,560 --> 01:02:26,920
Speaker 1: helped him write a second, more successful book. And everything

1172
01:02:26,960 --> 01:02:29,480
Speaker 1: else he ever did was a rank failure. And he

1173
01:02:29,520 --> 01:02:31,240
Speaker 1: was so dumb that he burned through all of his

1174
01:02:31,280 --> 01:02:32,960
Speaker 1: money as soon as he made it. And like that's

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01:02:34,360 --> 01:02:39,400
Speaker 1: basically all of the most powerful people in UH business

1176
01:02:39,400 --> 01:02:43,640
Speaker 1: and politics all think of this. Guy as a hero. Yeah,

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01:02:43,720 --> 01:02:46,800
Speaker 1: it's it's amazing to think of, Like, it's amazing to

1178
01:02:46,880 --> 01:02:51,400
Speaker 1: think that somebody steering the country thinks that the advice

1179
01:02:51,440 --> 01:02:55,760
Speaker 1: and think and grow rich is good. It's very scary

1180
01:02:55,800 --> 01:02:59,280
Speaker 1: to me because at the heart, like like we talked about,

1181
01:02:59,320 --> 01:03:02,720
Speaker 1: at the heart of of prosperity Gospel Christianity is the

1182
01:03:02,760 --> 01:03:08,360
Speaker 1: idea that um having money is both uh proof of

1183
01:03:08,400 --> 01:03:11,640
Speaker 1: God's blessing and proof that other people should give you

1184
01:03:11,680 --> 01:03:15,280
Speaker 1: more money. You know, like those pastors prosperity gospel pastors

1185
01:03:15,280 --> 01:03:18,280
Speaker 1: will say, you know, you need to give me money

1186
01:03:18,320 --> 01:03:20,680
Speaker 1: to prove that God is reel or that you love God,

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01:03:20,760 --> 01:03:22,800
Speaker 1: or whatever the fund to prove God. And then they

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01:03:22,840 --> 01:03:25,960
Speaker 1: will also point to their riches as a sign that

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01:03:26,040 --> 01:03:31,040
Speaker 1: God loves them the most. God has blessed me, really

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Speaker 1: blessy with it, Like a lot of people gave all

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01:03:33,600 --> 01:03:35,400
Speaker 1: their a lot of very poor people gave you a

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Speaker 1: bunch of money, you know, and they're like, well, God

1193
01:03:37,320 --> 01:03:39,080
Speaker 1: has blessed me. And then the porpula are like, you know,

1194
01:03:39,160 --> 01:03:41,840
Speaker 1: he does seem to be doing pretty good. Yeah, well

1195
01:03:41,880 --> 01:03:44,480
Speaker 1: he clearly God wants him to have money. Let's give

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01:03:44,520 --> 01:03:46,320
Speaker 1: him some money and make God happy. I mean it's

1197
01:03:46,200 --> 01:03:49,440
Speaker 1: a it's a way of um engendering a slave mentality

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01:03:49,480 --> 01:03:52,640
Speaker 1: in in you know, the working class, uh, that will

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01:03:52,680 --> 01:03:55,440
Speaker 1: then govern their whole lives, you know, and make people

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Speaker 1: think that that they're not worth anything on their own,

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01:03:59,480 --> 01:04:01,960
Speaker 1: that if labor is not valuable, that money is not

1202
01:04:02,080 --> 01:04:04,360
Speaker 1: tied to labor. I mean to say something like what

1203
01:04:04,440 --> 01:04:08,080
Speaker 1: Marian Williamson says, which is the labor theory of value

1204
01:04:08,120 --> 01:04:10,320
Speaker 1: is obsolete in the twenty century and we need to

1205
01:04:10,360 --> 01:04:13,400
Speaker 1: go to a vibrational theory of value or some crazy shit.

1206
01:04:13,560 --> 01:04:16,880
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, okay, who who decides who decides how

1207
01:04:16,960 --> 01:04:21,520
Speaker 1: much vibration there is? You know, where's the fdi vibrations.

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Speaker 1: That's part of what makes this also fucking dangerous in

1209
01:04:24,280 --> 01:04:27,560
Speaker 1: my mind is that, um it sounds harmless enough on

1210
01:04:27,600 --> 01:04:29,560
Speaker 1: its head, especially when we're in this world we've got

1211
01:04:29,560 --> 01:04:31,880
Speaker 1: groups that are like literal Nazis marching in the streets

1212
01:04:31,880 --> 01:04:34,000
Speaker 1: and people saying really hateful things and talking about locking

1213
01:04:34,040 --> 01:04:36,760
Speaker 1: up kids. Someone being like, no, it's you know, the

1214
01:04:36,880 --> 01:04:40,040
Speaker 1: labor theory of value doesn't mean like it's all vibrations,

1215
01:04:40,040 --> 01:04:42,480
Speaker 1: and if we vibrate more positively than that's going to

1216
01:04:42,560 --> 01:04:44,760
Speaker 1: like we need to raise the consciousness of the poor

1217
01:04:45,080 --> 01:04:47,560
Speaker 1: in order to so they won't be poor anymore. It's like, no,

1218
01:04:47,800 --> 01:04:50,960
Speaker 1: people are poorer because they fit into a capitalist system

1219
01:04:51,000 --> 01:04:53,480
Speaker 1: that requires the majority of people to be poor so

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01:04:53,560 --> 01:04:57,720
Speaker 1: that a very small percentage can be ultra rich. Yeah,

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01:04:57,760 --> 01:04:59,920
Speaker 1: and that and it's an excuse. You know. I'm not

1222
01:05:00,080 --> 01:05:02,200
Speaker 1: to say Maryan Wilson feels this way, because I don't

1223
01:05:02,240 --> 01:05:04,520
Speaker 1: know her opinion on the social safety Net, but that

1224
01:05:04,560 --> 01:05:07,840
Speaker 1: logic can is very easily can lead you to be like, well, no,

1225
01:05:08,000 --> 01:05:11,400
Speaker 1: you shouldn't. We shouldn't be giving services. We shouldn't be

1226
01:05:11,440 --> 01:05:13,560
Speaker 1: trying to provide homes for the homeless or food at

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01:05:13,600 --> 01:05:15,400
Speaker 1: the very least for them. We shouldn't be trying to

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01:05:15,480 --> 01:05:19,560
Speaker 1: like we should be helping them sciousness instead. Yeah, we

1229
01:05:19,600 --> 01:05:21,520
Speaker 1: should just you know, we should just give them copies

1230
01:05:21,520 --> 01:05:25,280
Speaker 1: of Napoleon Hills book, which, if you're a rich asshole

1231
01:05:25,320 --> 01:05:27,520
Speaker 1: who wants to stay that way and doesn't want anybody

1232
01:05:27,520 --> 01:05:30,400
Speaker 1: else to catch up, you could do a lot worse

1233
01:05:30,480 --> 01:05:32,800
Speaker 1: than just handing out free copies of Think and Grow

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01:05:32,920 --> 01:05:36,400
Speaker 1: Rich to the people around you, because it's like it's

1235
01:05:36,400 --> 01:05:39,040
Speaker 1: a book that's designed, not even designed, because I think

1236
01:05:39,080 --> 01:05:41,120
Speaker 1: it was an accident because nothing Napoleon Hill was smart

1237
01:05:41,200 --> 01:05:44,480
Speaker 1: enough to plan anything like this. But it's sure as

1238
01:05:44,520 --> 01:05:50,360
Speaker 1: how works that way, which is amazing. Anyway, an American,

1239
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Speaker 1: I think that's the episode. I think that's it. Yes,

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Speaker 1: Sarah June, you want to plug your plug doubles before

1241
01:05:58,480 --> 01:06:00,600
Speaker 1: we roll out? I got I got all my plugables

1242
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Speaker 1: at Hey, Sara June, h u y s A r

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Speaker 1: A j u n E. That's my website, that's my venmoo.

1244
01:06:05,920 --> 01:06:10,000
Speaker 1: That's my Instagram. You can follow me. I am making

1245
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Speaker 1: some shows for Means TV at Means Underscore TV. Uh

1246
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Speaker 1: Anti Capital's Entertainment cooperative. We're coming out with some shows

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Speaker 1: uh in so follow them on Twitter and see see

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Speaker 1: some stuff we made already. And I'm Robert Evans. Myself

1249
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Speaker 1: help book, Drink and Grows Sober, will be out this December,

1250
01:06:28,720 --> 01:06:32,040
Speaker 1: so so please check it out. It's critical information for

1251
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Speaker 1: all of you. Uh. You can find me on Twitter

1252
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Speaker 1: at I right, okay. You can find this podcast on

1253
01:06:36,520 --> 01:06:38,800
Speaker 1: the internet behind the Bastards dot com. You can find

1254
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Speaker 1: us on Instagram and Twitter at at Bastards pod, buy

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Speaker 1: t shirt, public dot com. That's it. That's the fucking episode.

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Speaker 1: I love about