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Speaker 1: podcast July as I record this, had NFL Network on

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Speaker 1: and uh, it made me re evaluate something I missed on.

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Speaker 1: you know at first and I've been hard on Vix

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Speaker 1: It made me again take a step back and reevaluate

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Speaker 1: then some things to watch for in training camp, what

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Speaker 1: Middlecoff mail bag at John Middlecoff is my insta. I'm

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Speaker 1: Christian McCaffrey. And I kind of pride myself I am,

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Speaker 1: no problem changing with it. Maybe part of that's living

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Speaker 1: society to me has never changed at a more rapid speed,

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Speaker 1: and society never slows down, it only speeds up. Well,

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Speaker 1: a couple of years ago, I was working in the media,

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Speaker 1: but what one opinion that I felt very very strong

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Speaker 1: minded to adapt on certain things. And I'm already starting

426
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Speaker 1: to feel like it is the undoing a Fangio because

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Speaker 1: it's not gonna be the music at practice, it's not

428
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Speaker 1: gonna be coaching guys hard. But it is the treatment

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Speaker 1: of offensive players. And I saw it years ago with

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Speaker 1: the forty Niners. They had just drafted Eric Reid and

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Speaker 1: it was the first preseason game, and after the game,

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Speaker 1: Fangio basically said, like, Eric Reid is not a starter,

433
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Speaker 1: he's not good enough. Yet they were starting Craig Dahl.

434
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Speaker 1: Eric Reed had just been drafted in the first round.

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Speaker 1: And that's just Fangio tough love. He didn't start all

436
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Speaker 1: preseason Week one. What happened? Eric Read started. But during

437
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Speaker 1: the preseason Eric Read has to be thinking to himself,

438
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Speaker 1: I'm way better than this guy. Why can't I play?

439
00:22:56,600 --> 00:22:58,520
Speaker 1: But he's a defensive guy, that's the way he rolls,

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Speaker 1: and he's old school. I don't think you treat quarterbacks

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00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:03,960
Speaker 1: like this, even if it's true, even if you can't

442
00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:06,240
Speaker 1: hit water sitting in the boat when you rip them

443
00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:09,440
Speaker 1: in the media, quarterbacks are just more polarizing. This ship

444
00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:12,199
Speaker 1: catches on on social media. I end up talking about it,

445
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Speaker 1: and that's just not you notice Kyle Shanahan, Sean McVeigh,

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Speaker 1: Andy Reid, Sean Payton, Jason Garrett. They're just a little

447
00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:24,280
Speaker 1: more sensitive with the offensive guys because you have to

448
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Speaker 1: be also, your team's success is dependent on the quarterback.

449
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Speaker 1: So like even Fangio, what's he gonna do in Week

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Speaker 1: one against the Raiders. I think it's the second Monday

451
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Speaker 1: night game. What if Flacco throws three picks? Is he

452
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Speaker 1: just gonna blast him after the game, because that's his nature.

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Speaker 1: And even if we all saw him shift the bed

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Speaker 1: and play terribly, I wouldn't blame him for thinking that,

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Speaker 1: But it's not conducive to success to say it. And

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Speaker 1: I think that's gonna be Fangio and just up and

457
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Speaker 1: coming defensive coaches biggest obstacle to overcome when it comes

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Speaker 1: to owners in GMS, Like listen, find a GM. My

459
00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:04,240
Speaker 1: success is dependent on the quarterback I draft. We have

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Speaker 1: to treat him somewhat with kid gloves. Just it's just

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Speaker 1: a fact we're gonna go as far is that guy's

462
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Speaker 1: gonna take us. If Vic Fangio is gonna have a

463
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Speaker 1: successful head coaching career with the Denver Broncos, Drew lock

464
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Speaker 1: is gonna be a big part of that. Just bottom line.

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Speaker 1: End of story. You know, I just don't think you

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Speaker 1: can blast him. I don't think that's the way. I

467
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Speaker 1: don't know what's to be gained by approaching it that way,

468
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Speaker 1: even if it's the truth. Okay, some of the biggest news.

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Speaker 1: I guess this would have come out at the end

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Speaker 1: of last week. Yeah, it was Friday had already recorded

471
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Speaker 1: the podcast, and a lot of people are tweeting him, like,

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Speaker 1: what are your takes on Tyreek Hill? What do you

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Speaker 1: think about Tyreek Hill? My takes on domestic violence are

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Speaker 1: or just any violence are always the same in anything

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Speaker 1: that could get a player suspended. That's he said, she

476
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Speaker 1: said in the NFL, just just in general life. If

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Speaker 1: he did it, he should go to jail. If she's

478
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Speaker 1: making it up, she should go to jail. That's how

479
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Speaker 1: I based my old thought press process on, and I

480
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Speaker 1: think most people with common sense agree. You hit a woman,

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Speaker 1: you're not only a scumbag, you're a criminal. Now I'm

482
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Speaker 1: not a lawyer. I don't pretend it on the laws,

483
00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:17,840
Speaker 1: but my world, criminal serve go to jail. If you

484
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Speaker 1: make something up about a man hitting you and you're lying,

485
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Speaker 1: you're a criminal, and you're a threat to both people.

486
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Speaker 1: Whoever does that or a threat to society. Now where

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Speaker 1: I struggled with Tyreek Hill in terms of I thought

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Speaker 1: Zeke Elliott when it was he said she said a

489
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Speaker 1: couple of years ago did not deserve to be suspended.

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Speaker 1: There just wasn't enough evidence. Now again, like I said

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Speaker 1: with Tyreek, if Zeke actually hit her, he should have

492
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Speaker 1: been in jail. It's not the NFL's problem. If this

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Speaker 1: check was Zeke made it up, she should go to jail. Well.

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Speaker 1: Last year, after the most recent domestic violence, you know,

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Speaker 1: I would say main headline in the NFL was Ruben Foster.

496
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Speaker 1: He got arrested, is not? I mean, it's kind of

497
00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:04,560
Speaker 1: funny now because it's actually nothing happened at a team

498
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Speaker 1: hotel on the road, which I'm pretty sure is an

499
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Speaker 1: NFL record. No NFL player, at least in my lifetime,

500
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Speaker 1: has ever been arrested on the road at a team hotel.

501
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Speaker 1: He was arrested in Tampa Bay. They were playing the

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Speaker 1: Bucks the next day because the same girl that had

503
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Speaker 1: made something up the first time was there. Again, Now,

504
00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:24,880
Speaker 1: was he an idiot? Trinty have not gone to a room.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if he flew out or not. I never.

506
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Speaker 1: I never disagreed with he wasn't in the wrong, but

507
00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:33,960
Speaker 1: it came out she made it all up. The NFL

508
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Speaker 1: investigated it after the Redskins, you know, claimed him off waivers.

509
00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:42,080
Speaker 1: They even kind of acknowledge, Yeah, she's making it up again.

510
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Speaker 1: She's actually over three and again, in my book, a

511
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Speaker 1: criminal because she consistently makes things up to try to

512
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Speaker 1: ruin men's lives. And I don't know, is that like

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Speaker 1: not a PC thing to say? You don't You never

514
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Speaker 1: hear that in the media anywhere. No one ever picks

515
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Speaker 1: on the woman when she's proven to be wrong. It's

516
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Speaker 1: easy to pick on the man when he hits her.

517
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:03,640
Speaker 1: Of course it is. He's a scumbag and a criminal.

518
00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:07,680
Speaker 1: But if you make things up like Ruben Foster's girlfriend did,

519
00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:11,400
Speaker 1: she should go to jail. Now Ruben, and I think

520
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:15,879
Speaker 1: a lot of rich professionals, especially the athletes, are famous people.

521
00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:17,440
Speaker 1: It's not even worth it to go after him. So

522
00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:20,040
Speaker 1: it just kind of goes away. But the NFL acknowledge

523
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:22,640
Speaker 1: she made it up again, Nothing happened, he didn't hit her,

524
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Speaker 1: and they still don't. They didn't suspend him now he's

525
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:28,440
Speaker 1: he tore his knee and he's out for the year,

526
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:31,360
Speaker 1: but he's missing two game checks, and it's I don't

527
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Speaker 1: know exactly know how it works. He's on i R

528
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Speaker 1: prorage salary. He was not going to be paid week

529
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Speaker 1: one or week two, even though the NFL said, yeah,

530
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Speaker 1: he didn't do it. They basically just find him for

531
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Speaker 1: being an idiot. That's the thing that with Tyreek Hill.

532
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Speaker 1: The NFL, the evidence they have, and I know people

533
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Speaker 1: with the chiefs obviously know people well there. They believe

534
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Speaker 1: Tyreek Hill. They think he's telling the truth. Clearly, the

535
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Speaker 1: NFL thinks he's telling the truth. Yet like I'm a

536
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Speaker 1: little shocked they didn't not not suspend him. Because if

537
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:03,760
Speaker 1: you think he's telling the truth and you think he's innocent,

538
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:07,600
Speaker 1: don't spend him. I can. I understand that, But how

539
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:10,040
Speaker 1: did he not get doc some game checks because we

540
00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:12,960
Speaker 1: saw the same thing happened with Ruben Foster and he

541
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Speaker 1: got doc game checks. I thought dragging the kind of

542
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:20,840
Speaker 1: the shield's name through the headlines is a bad thing,

543
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:23,800
Speaker 1: So I thought he got off pretty easy there. But

544
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:27,520
Speaker 1: I I don't know what to say, like him in jail,

545
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:30,240
Speaker 1: IM not there at any of these incidents. So I

546
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:34,520
Speaker 1: always feel uncomfortable. Everyone on Twitter is so quick to

547
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:38,320
Speaker 1: say throw him in jail, throw him in jail. That's

548
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:40,840
Speaker 1: all anyone wants to do, just throw people in jail

549
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:43,280
Speaker 1: when we I don't know what's true or what's not.

550
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:45,800
Speaker 1: And I think we all fall in the same side

551
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:48,280
Speaker 1: of the ledger on if the guy does it, what

552
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:52,960
Speaker 1: his punishments be. Hell, I have no problem if you

553
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:55,200
Speaker 1: told me if you hit a woman, you're kicked out

554
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:57,680
Speaker 1: of the NFL for for life. I don't think anyone

555
00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:00,400
Speaker 1: would argue that I'd have if you told me that

556
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 1: was their new policy. It's fine with me. But with

557
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:07,760
Speaker 1: Tyreek killed people, with my whole Twitter timeline is freaking out.

558
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:10,640
Speaker 1: We don't have any no one knows anything. I just

559
00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:14,080
Speaker 1: do not know, and I'm always uncomfortable, Like so you're

560
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:16,200
Speaker 1: telling me the law couldn't figure it out, and now

561
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:17,840
Speaker 1: the NFL is trying to figure it out. That was

562
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:21,080
Speaker 1: always my problem with the NFL suspending people when the

563
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:25,040
Speaker 1: law couldn't prove anything. It's like, Roger, how are you

564
00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:27,520
Speaker 1: acting as the judge and jury on this when the

565
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:31,520
Speaker 1: when the law can figure it out, And it became

566
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:34,560
Speaker 1: a very slippery slope and a complicated situation. Now, from

567
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:37,200
Speaker 1: a football standpoint, I mean, it's one of the biggest

568
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:39,720
Speaker 1: wins the Chiefs have ever had. He's their second best

569
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:43,160
Speaker 1: player behind the Homes. Just from non quarterback, he's their

570
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:46,040
Speaker 1: best player. He's one of the most unstoppable forces in

571
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:49,160
Speaker 1: the NFL. He no one can cover him. He's faster

572
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:51,360
Speaker 1: than everyone in the league. He's got great ball skills,

573
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:54,440
Speaker 1: He's a versatile player. It's a game changer because I

574
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:58,040
Speaker 1: think when the story recently broke, however many months ago,

575
00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:01,160
Speaker 1: obviously I don't even remember, we all thought, oh my god,

576
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:03,480
Speaker 1: he's gonna get suspended for the year or whatever. Then

577
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:05,400
Speaker 1: it kind of felt like maybe we'll only get eight games.

578
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:09,320
Speaker 1: Now we got none. So I think from a football standpoint,

579
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:11,720
Speaker 1: it's a complete game changer because he happens to be

580
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:13,480
Speaker 1: the second best player on one of the best teams

581
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:16,480
Speaker 1: in the league, who has Super Bowl aspirations. So it's

582
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:19,360
Speaker 1: a really big deal. And I think my old takeaway

583
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:22,160
Speaker 1: is it's I've given up trying to figure out the

584
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:25,520
Speaker 1: NFL and their punishment and their consistency because it never

585
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:28,800
Speaker 1: makes any sense. But I also believe if you don't

586
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:32,240
Speaker 1: think he did it, then you should not suspend them. Now,

587
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:34,600
Speaker 1: I'm not a lawyer, I'm not on the coaching staff.

588
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:36,040
Speaker 1: I don't work in the league office. I have no

589
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:38,440
Speaker 1: clue what evidence they have. I just know people with

590
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:42,000
Speaker 1: the chiefs, they they were pretty confident that he's telling

591
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:45,360
Speaker 1: the truth. They believe him. Now some one thing that

592
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:48,480
Speaker 1: was a red flag to me about Tyreek and I

593
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 1: don't know why he went down this road. Was he

594
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:53,959
Speaker 1: tried to act like it didn't happen in college, Like

595
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:55,640
Speaker 1: he's like, this is a lie, and same thing in

596
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:58,600
Speaker 1: two thousand and fourteen was a lie. And I think

597
00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:01,280
Speaker 1: a lot of people feel pretty confident, especially the way

598
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:03,680
Speaker 1: we talk about it is that things happened in two

599
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:06,280
Speaker 1: thousand fourteen that he hit his pregnant fifteen or whatever

600
00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:08,240
Speaker 1: year that was, when you can kick that Oklahoma state

601
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:11,560
Speaker 1: that he hit his pregnant girlfriend at the time, which

602
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:13,800
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure is this lady. It's as That's my

603
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:16,840
Speaker 1: problem with these stories with Tyreeks and the Zeke's and

604
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:19,360
Speaker 1: the Rubens. It's hard to keep up with the timeline

605
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:22,960
Speaker 1: of all this ship. I mean, it's it's exhausting. I'm

606
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:26,600
Speaker 1: done with these stories. That's why I can't imagine working

607
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:28,760
Speaker 1: in the league or being a lawyer, Like, that's what

608
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:31,000
Speaker 1: a shitty job having to deal with this crap is.

609
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 1: And I also think on a big picture topic, on

610
00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:38,400
Speaker 1: just Goodell's power, you realize why, Like we talk a

611
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:40,440
Speaker 1: lot about this in the media and a lot on Twitter.

612
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:44,080
Speaker 1: Most players in the league don't care. Like most players

613
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:46,240
Speaker 1: in the league don't when I say don't care, don't

614
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:48,680
Speaker 1: mind Roger Goodell having a lot of power, because if

615
00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:50,320
Speaker 1: you're a good guy in the league, why do you

616
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 1: care if Roger Goodell is suspending, you know, people for

617
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:58,040
Speaker 1: for screwing up, for getting in trouble. If I'd say,

618
00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:02,160
Speaker 1: of the NFL, never has an issue, never has one

619
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:04,720
Speaker 1: problem with the law, never has to meet Goodell in

620
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:07,320
Speaker 1: his office. So it's like, whatever, it's not my problem.

621
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 1: And that's kind of the way human work, right, not

622
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:12,480
Speaker 1: my problem. I'm not gonna worry about it. So I

623
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 1: think that's people are like the next cb A, you

624
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:18,680
Speaker 1: gotta take the power away from Roger? Why, Like, who's

625
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:21,800
Speaker 1: that impacting five players a year? Do the math? How

626
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:24,040
Speaker 1: many players in the league. Fifty three players on a

627
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:27,479
Speaker 1: roster plus ten in the practice squad, you're talking sixty

628
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:29,560
Speaker 1: three players times thirty two. You do the math. I mean,

629
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:32,280
Speaker 1: that's a lot of players that are unimpacted by this stuff.

630
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 1: But like like I said, if Tyrek did it, he's

631
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:38,720
Speaker 1: a scumbag. He's ever going to jail. If he didn't,

632
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:41,160
Speaker 1: he shouldn't be suspended, And clearly the league thinks he

633
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:43,959
Speaker 1: didn't do it. Now, I can understand if I'm Zeke Elliott,

634
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:45,720
Speaker 1: I'd be piste off. Like I told you, I didn't

635
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:47,840
Speaker 1: do it either. I was innocent and I got spend

636
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:49,880
Speaker 1: it for six games. I can see if I'm Ruben Foster.

637
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:53,480
Speaker 1: You you told me you believe what I was saying,

638
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 1: and then you still find me two game checks like

639
00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:59,080
Speaker 1: what the hell? Uh? And I think that's the biggest

640
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:03,240
Speaker 1: problem just with this whole operation is there's never quite

641
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:05,560
Speaker 1: a rhyme or reason to any of this thing. You know,

642
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:08,000
Speaker 1: you just kind of when a suspension comes out, you're

643
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:09,640
Speaker 1: just kind of a guessing game, like how many games

644
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:11,280
Speaker 1: will you get? How many games will you not get?

645
00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:13,800
Speaker 1: No one ever knows, but that at the end of

646
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:17,240
Speaker 1: the day, Um, you know, I I don't know if

647
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:19,719
Speaker 1: this has that big of an impact on the NFL

648
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:21,240
Speaker 1: in general. I know a lot of people in the

649
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:23,960
Speaker 1: media think it does, but I don't know that. I'm

650
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 1: just talking about Roger Goodell's suspensions, the way he suspends

651
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 1: players in general. You know, I think at the end

652
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 1: of the day, it doesn't really matter that much for

653
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:33,880
Speaker 1: perception standpoint. I think people think there's a lot of

654
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:36,640
Speaker 1: negativity because it's not like on social media. Again, the

655
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 1: majority of NFL fans are not on Twitter. They just

656
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 1: consume NFL on their television. But from a football standpoint,

657
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:47,520
Speaker 1: it's one of the biggest non suspensions I can remember

658
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:51,280
Speaker 1: in recent history. Okay, really quick, before I dive into

659
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 1: the training camp stuff, I'm just gonna hit again really fast.

660
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:59,000
Speaker 1: Refused to spend much time on this. Odell Beckham Jr.

661
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:02,400
Speaker 1: I guess he did a long sit down with some

662
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:06,000
Speaker 1: dude from g Q. I haven't even read it, but

663
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:09,160
Speaker 1: I did see a quote, and I mean, that's not

664
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:11,439
Speaker 1: a ton of quotes today, but the quote that really

665
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:13,759
Speaker 1: stood out to me because I don't care about the

666
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:17,360
Speaker 1: Pat Shermer and the Dave gettleman whatever, but was on

667
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:20,960
Speaker 1: the franchise and this is out of the Lebron James

668
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:26,880
Speaker 1: Clutch playbook. The man is always screwing the player and

669
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:28,919
Speaker 1: Odell Beckham. I don't even have the quote in front

670
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 1: of me, but it was basically like, the reason the

671
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:35,360
Speaker 1: Giants the last couple of years played in primetime games

672
00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:41,360
Speaker 1: was strictly because of Odell Beckham. Now, having Odell Beckham Jr.

673
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:44,319
Speaker 1: Does not help putting you in prime time. But the

674
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:48,960
Speaker 1: reason that the New York Football Giants play in primetime games,

675
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:51,960
Speaker 1: whether that's Sunday Night Football or Monday Night Football, or

676
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:55,640
Speaker 1: man games on Sunday the afternoon game against the Eagles

677
00:34:55,680 --> 00:35:00,160
Speaker 1: or the Cowboys, it's because they're the New York fucking Giants.

678
00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:03,760
Speaker 1: They are the biggest market in America. So, whether Odell

679
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:06,640
Speaker 1: Beckham had never existed or whether he had played there

680
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 1: his entire career, the New York Giants, just like the

681
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:13,279
Speaker 1: New York Yankees, just like the New York Jets, just

682
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:16,320
Speaker 1: like the New York Mets, and even the New York Knicks,

683
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:19,759
Speaker 1: who couldn't be any shittier, These leagues want to play

684
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:23,279
Speaker 1: them in primetime games all the time. Now I understand

685
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:26,960
Speaker 1: that Lebron James and Rich Paul and those guys tell them,

686
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:30,120
Speaker 1: you're getting screwed. They're using you. Now, actually they're paying

687
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:32,680
Speaker 1: you twenty million dollars a year and you haven't even

688
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:34,839
Speaker 1: played that well the last couple of years. So I'm

689
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:37,279
Speaker 1: not trying to rip o'dellia as a player. I like

690
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:39,479
Speaker 1: him as a player. I think he's an elite talent.

691
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:43,240
Speaker 1: But when it comes to the reason that the NFC

692
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:50,880
Speaker 1: East in general, ESPN, ABC, CBS, Fox, whatever damn network

693
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:54,799
Speaker 1: is playing NFL games, if they could, they would play

694
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:57,879
Speaker 1: the NFC East on rotation, and really they didn't care

695
00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:01,000
Speaker 1: as much about Washington. They'd play Philly, they play Dallas

696
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:03,000
Speaker 1: in New York. If that those three teams could just

697
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:06,160
Speaker 1: play each other every week for sixteen weeks, whether Odell

698
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 1: Beckham was playing wide receiver, whether John Middlecoff was playing

699
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:11,800
Speaker 1: wide receiver, or whether you listening was playing wide receiver,

700
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:14,520
Speaker 1: they would play them. Why. I don't have the numbers

701
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:16,400
Speaker 1: in front of me, but a lot of freaking people

702
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:19,520
Speaker 1: live in New York City, given it's the biggest media

703
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:22,040
Speaker 1: market in America. So when you put the New York Giants,

704
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:25,120
Speaker 1: whether they're good, whether they're decent, or whether they're suck

705
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:29,439
Speaker 1: and on a game, a lot of people watch. When

706
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:31,359
Speaker 1: you put the Bengals on a game, not that many

707
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:33,400
Speaker 1: people watch put the Raiders on a game, not that

708
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:35,440
Speaker 1: many people watch. Put the Airs on the Cardinals on

709
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:37,480
Speaker 1: a game, not that many people watch. Put the New

710
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:42,280
Speaker 1: York Giants on television. Again, whether they're an undefeated team

711
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:47,120
Speaker 1: or whether they're a winless team, that market consumes that team.

712
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 1: So again, I get Odell Beckham Jr. Is just listening

713
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:53,960
Speaker 1: to Rich Paul and Lebron James filling his head with

714
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 1: these beliefs that the only reason that the Giants are

715
00:36:57,120 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 1: relevant is because of Odell Beckham. I got news for you.

716
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 1: They're relevant because they're the New York Football Giants, and

717
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:07,719
Speaker 1: millions upon millions upon millions of people are fans of

718
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:10,920
Speaker 1: that team. So when that team plays, the countless millions

719
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:14,640
Speaker 1: upon millions of millions of people will watch those games.

720
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:16,520
Speaker 1: So when the Giants kick off, I don't know the

721
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 1: schedule in front of me, whoever the hell they're playing

722
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:21,279
Speaker 1: in Week one, I promise you one thing, A lot

723
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:25,400
Speaker 1: of freaking people will consume the New York Giants. And

724
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:27,880
Speaker 1: by week three, Week four, week five, weeks six, they

725
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:29,839
Speaker 1: might be the worst team in the league. But guess

726
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:32,879
Speaker 1: what they will rate on television. Why Because their fan

727
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:36,839
Speaker 1: base is gi freaking Gannick so Odell Beckham, I get it.

728
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:41,480
Speaker 1: He's coming from a position, an uneducated position that's agenda

729
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:43,759
Speaker 1: driven because the player is always in the wrong. With

730
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:46,920
Speaker 1: clutch sports and Rich Paul and Lebron James, they're always

731
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:48,920
Speaker 1: caring everything. And you know what, in fairness for Lebron

732
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:51,520
Speaker 1: James with the Cleveland Cavaliers, Yeah, they need you, Lebron.

733
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:53,880
Speaker 1: I got news for you, Lebron. People have been watching

734
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:56,080
Speaker 1: the Lakers well before you, and they'll watch the Lakers

735
00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:58,919
Speaker 1: well after you, just like Odell Beckham, I got news

736
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:01,520
Speaker 1: for you, buddy. People who watch the Giants well before

737
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:03,759
Speaker 1: you got there, and now that you're gone, people will

738
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 1: keeps to keep watching the Giants. So again, they played

739
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:10,360
Speaker 1: in primetime games not because of Odell Beckham, but because

740
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:14,359
Speaker 1: they have a lot of fans. Okay, really quick, as

741
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:16,719
Speaker 1: we had to training camp, I just want to hit

742
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:19,759
Speaker 1: I wrote down a couple of things, what matters and

743
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:23,880
Speaker 1: what doesn't matter. Training camp is just a kind of

744
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:26,560
Speaker 1: a crazy time. When I was a pro scout, you

745
00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:29,839
Speaker 1: basically split up the NFL if you follow a road

746
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:33,200
Speaker 1: to World or Twitter or whatever. Once all these camps

747
00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:36,840
Speaker 1: get started, injuries, cuts, just a lot of stuff is

748
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:39,959
Speaker 1: going on. Not one human can't follow the entire league.

749
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:43,600
Speaker 1: A GM need just staff to keep tracking everything. You're

750
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:48,000
Speaker 1: evaluating basically fifty three to ninety, so that's you know,

751
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:51,000
Speaker 1: thirty seven, but really then you're evaluating another ten. You're

752
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:55,239
Speaker 1: evaluating like fifty guys a team, give or take. You know, uh,

753
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:58,200
Speaker 1: they might get cut, you know, or you can trade four.

754
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:01,480
Speaker 1: So you're evaluating a ton of guy. Once preseason games start,

755
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 1: you're keeping track on every injury, You're keeping track on trends,

756
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:08,040
Speaker 1: who's playing well, who's not playing well. You know, I

757
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:10,440
Speaker 1: got I mean, I got friends to follow me on

758
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:13,000
Speaker 1: in the league because they know me. But like when

759
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:15,720
Speaker 1: I was in the NFL, I followed a ton of people.

760
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:19,879
Speaker 1: Matt Mayoko, Uh, you know, rich Samine, whoever the main

761
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:23,800
Speaker 1: beat reporters are on given teams, Matt Barrows, Vic Tafer.

762
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:26,080
Speaker 1: I'm biased here my guys in the Bay Area, but

763
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:28,080
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, the guys in different cities

764
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:31,480
Speaker 1: that cover teams, and you kind of keep track, not

765
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 1: necessarily of their opinions on players, but you do make

766
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:37,080
Speaker 1: note when you see a guy. If you've been covering

767
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:39,120
Speaker 1: football for twenty years and you go, God, this guy's

768
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:41,959
Speaker 1: really making plays, you know, when we dropped that down

769
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:44,719
Speaker 1: in the NFL, and now someone that talks about it

770
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:47,279
Speaker 1: for a living, this this time of year, this next

771
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:49,640
Speaker 1: month is hard for me, especially now that I talked

772
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:52,719
Speaker 1: about the entire league. Luckily, I mean it's not bad hard.

773
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:55,359
Speaker 1: I only talked about the main stuff, but it's hard

774
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:58,040
Speaker 1: to follow the nitty gritty of who's getting cut, who's

775
00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 1: not getting cut. Uh, you know, depth charts. There's just

776
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:03,640
Speaker 1: a lot going on this time of years what makes

777
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:06,000
Speaker 1: the league really fun. But there are also things that

778
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:10,440
Speaker 1: happen in training camp that that I I think I

779
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:12,160
Speaker 1: want to hit on really quick of what matters and

780
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:14,799
Speaker 1: what doesn't matter to me? What matters anytime a guy

781
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:18,440
Speaker 1: goes on pup. So when you see a guy Trey Flowers, J. J.

782
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 1: Watt Hopkins, obviously the next you know, three or four days,

783
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:25,360
Speaker 1: you got all these teams coming, we're gonna see a

784
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:28,920
Speaker 1: lot of names on the physically unable to perform list. Well,

785
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:31,680
Speaker 1: you can start practice and practice a guy, especially a

786
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:35,600
Speaker 1: veteran player, at any Julian Edelman is another guy at

787
00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:37,959
Speaker 1: any rate you want. So I could have a guy

788
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:40,239
Speaker 1: just do individual drills. But if I put him on

789
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:42,839
Speaker 1: pupp he can't do anything. So if a player goes

790
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:46,279
Speaker 1: on pup, I'm not saying he's not gonna play a

791
00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:48,280
Speaker 1: week one because he can come off at any moment,

792
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:50,640
Speaker 1: but it is a big deal because he's injured when

793
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:54,320
Speaker 1: he shows up, especially if a player. I was watching

794
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:57,880
Speaker 1: Ryan Pace and Matt Naggie's press conference the other day

795
00:40:58,000 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 1: and I actually took a picture. I sent it to Naggie.

796
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:03,000
Speaker 1: It was a picture of naggy bald guy like myself

797
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:06,920
Speaker 1: and Ryan Pace, who just Ryan Pace has an incredible

798
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 1: head of hair. I mean, just for us bald guys.

799
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 1: I am jealous of the of just the great hair

800
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:16,239
Speaker 1: he has. But they said, uh, I think ha ha.

801
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:19,640
Speaker 1: Clinton Dix got injured at the end of training camp

802
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 1: or I mean O t a s and is on

803
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:24,480
Speaker 1: pump Like, that's not a big if you got injured

804
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:27,200
Speaker 1: in the spring, even if it was semi minor and

805
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:29,759
Speaker 1: you go on pop. To me, that's understandable. But if

806
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:32,440
Speaker 1: you left the spring healthy and when I say spring,

807
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:36,120
Speaker 1: like the early June healthy, and I don't know, I

808
00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:38,600
Speaker 1: have to look into J. J. Watton Hopkins, but I'm

809
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 1: pretty sure both guys were healthy and training camp, So

810
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:43,919
Speaker 1: what is their injury now? Like Trey Flowers. Was Tray

811
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:47,880
Speaker 1: Flowers injured in spring drills? Because if he wasn't, what

812
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:50,799
Speaker 1: did he get hurt on? Like, what is the injury now?

813
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:53,200
Speaker 1: To me? Julian Edelman as a thumb did he heard

814
00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:55,719
Speaker 1: it working out? I mean I've seen Julian Edelman the

815
00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:58,919
Speaker 1: Showtime documentary. He looked fine. When did he get hurt?

816
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:03,359
Speaker 1: So I always red flag a pup now again, not

817
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 1: the end all be it's not injured reserve. You don't.

818
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:08,360
Speaker 1: I'm not saying it's the end all be all, but

819
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:10,640
Speaker 1: it's something to keep an eye on. I get nervous

820
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:14,000
Speaker 1: with it. Things that don't matter. I'm just gonna go

821
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:19,160
Speaker 1: back and forth. Big plays by nobody's I'm a big believer,

822
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:21,320
Speaker 1: like in training, like the first couple of weeks of

823
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:24,160
Speaker 1: training camp, especially now that you don't really hit, certain

824
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:26,920
Speaker 1: guys are gonna stand out if they're fast, if they

825
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:30,640
Speaker 1: just make some plays. Pick guys off and practice. Undrafted

826
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:34,320
Speaker 1: free agents. I don't pay much attention to them until

827
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 1: preseason games because you can make plays in practice, especially

828
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:42,680
Speaker 1: after a couple of days, because your opponent then is

829
00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:45,759
Speaker 1: just your teammate and you have a scattering report because

830
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:48,799
Speaker 1: you literally go against them every rep. It's why the

831
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:53,719
Speaker 1: games separate people. One there's legitimate pressure, and two you

832
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:56,600
Speaker 1: don't really know what's coming because you're not game planning

833
00:42:56,600 --> 00:42:58,799
Speaker 1: for any of this stuff. So I don't put that

834
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:03,960
Speaker 1: much stock in unnamed guys, especially undrafted free agents, making

835
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:07,600
Speaker 1: plays in practice. Obviously it's better than not making plays,

836
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:10,480
Speaker 1: but it does not the first couple of weeks of

837
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:13,240
Speaker 1: training camp. You're gonna see so and so is crushed

838
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:15,759
Speaker 1: it in practice. I don't put much stock in there. Now.

839
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:17,399
Speaker 1: If he makes a couple of plays in the first

840
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:20,399
Speaker 1: or second preseason game, then I'm in, you know, Then

841
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:22,000
Speaker 1: I say, Okay, this guy's got a chance to make

842
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:24,160
Speaker 1: the team, or okay, this guy's got a chance to

843
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:27,440
Speaker 1: you know, be a practice squad player that someone's gonna claim.

844
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:29,759
Speaker 1: But if you're just Joe Schmo, nobody, make a couple

845
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Speaker 1: of plays against the second string quarterback doesn't mean that

846
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:36,879
Speaker 1: much to me. What matters to me offensive issues. If

847
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:39,920
Speaker 1: you have a new quarterback and your offense not in sync,

848
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:42,239
Speaker 1: especially once you get two preseason games, or you have

849
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:44,880
Speaker 1: a new corb, or you have a new coordinator like

850
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:48,640
Speaker 1: all these new coaches around the league and your offensive struggles.

851
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:52,640
Speaker 1: It's always harder for the offense to click than defense,

852
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:55,920
Speaker 1: especially in two thousand nineteen, you don't have as many practices.

853
00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 1: It's just much harder. It's much more difficult. So if

854
00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:02,400
Speaker 1: you're offen stinct in practice and then we watch the

855
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:05,160
Speaker 1: preseason games, I'm just gonna use this hypothetical. If the

856
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:07,799
Speaker 1: first couple of preseason games, assuming he plays, let's just

857
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:12,440
Speaker 1: use this player, Aaron Rodgers just looks uncomfortable in the offense.

858
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:16,000
Speaker 1: It's I would read flag that a little bit. You know,

859
00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:18,879
Speaker 1: I'm trying to bruce arians James us go around the league.

860
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:21,640
Speaker 1: I'd say Aaron would be the unique one just because

861
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:24,680
Speaker 1: he's a star player, so how the comfort of him.

862
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:27,440
Speaker 1: They're they're probably the best example because they have this

863
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:31,080
Speaker 1: established player, this new coach coming in with an offense

864
00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:33,200
Speaker 1: that I don't know if he's super comfortable in. So

865
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:37,080
Speaker 1: if the offense struggles to me in in practice, it's

866
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:38,840
Speaker 1: kind of hard to tell. I mean, it's easier for

867
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:40,719
Speaker 1: the coaches, but me at the media just standing at

868
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:44,160
Speaker 1: forty nine practice just because it's so similar. But the

869
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:46,640
Speaker 1: preseason games I do put some stock on just the

870
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:50,000
Speaker 1: rhythm of your offense, not the points, not the yards,

871
00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:56,080
Speaker 1: but just the eye test. Uh, what doesn't buzz coming

872
00:44:56,080 --> 00:45:00,719
Speaker 1: out of camp? Again, back to the preseason games. One

873
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:04,200
Speaker 1: thing that does matter, though, is once the preseason games

874
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:07,680
Speaker 1: do start, if you have an undrafted free agent or

875
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:11,160
Speaker 1: six or seventh round pick who looks equally as good

876
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:15,320
Speaker 1: as a veteran player that makes three or four million dollars,

877
00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:19,359
Speaker 1: that veteran player then immediately becomes tradeable or he might

878
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:22,160
Speaker 1: be get cut. He might get cut, might be get cut.

879
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:25,239
Speaker 1: Of geaven speak, he might get cut because you can

880
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:27,600
Speaker 1: keep that seventh rounder to be a backup, you know,

881
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:30,400
Speaker 1: a starting defensive tackle, or you can keep your starting

882
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:32,919
Speaker 1: defensive tackle at four million. Here's the other thing, once

883
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:35,880
Speaker 1: a guy becomes a vested veteran. I'm no capologist, but

884
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:39,080
Speaker 1: I know a couple of things. If you if that

885
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:41,440
Speaker 1: guy makes your fifty three man roster and he's on

886
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:43,840
Speaker 1: the team week one and he's let's just use the

887
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:46,879
Speaker 1: four million dollars, you keep him week one, and he's

888
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:48,680
Speaker 1: a vested veteran, meaning he's I think he's been in

889
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:50,680
Speaker 1: the league four or five years. I'm not sure. The

890
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:53,840
Speaker 1: exact day again, not a capologist. That guy then his

891
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:56,600
Speaker 1: salary is guaranteed for the year. That's why you see

892
00:45:56,600 --> 00:45:59,120
Speaker 1: a lot of older player, especially like seventh eighth year

893
00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:02,640
Speaker 1: guys sometimes as they get cut right before week one

894
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:04,280
Speaker 1: and then they bring them back for a week two

895
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:06,840
Speaker 1: because their contract is not guaranteed. But you don't mind

896
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:10,120
Speaker 1: keeping it a seventh round pick because that guy's contract

897
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:13,920
Speaker 1: and what's he making six grand? So I the one

898
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:16,640
Speaker 1: great part about training camp is you have all these

899
00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:20,400
Speaker 1: veteran players that I'm not talking the star guys making

900
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:22,880
Speaker 1: ten plus million dollars. I'm talking like a solid veteran

901
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:26,399
Speaker 1: guy making two, three four in that range. Well, it's

902
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:28,840
Speaker 1: a big difference if I can just keep an undrafted

903
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:31,719
Speaker 1: free agent at six fifty grand or keep a guy

904
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:34,480
Speaker 1: making five million dollars. I didn't go to Harvard, but

905
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:36,839
Speaker 1: you do the math. I mean, you're saving what four

906
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:39,800
Speaker 1: and a half million dollars maybe you know, four point

907
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:43,160
Speaker 1: three million dot whatever, You're you're saving a lot of money,

908
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:45,880
Speaker 1: enables you to make mid season trades. It just gives

909
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:49,800
Speaker 1: you more flexibility. Plus, in the perfect world, you'd always

910
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:52,719
Speaker 1: rather have the younger, cheaper option. This is not the

911
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:56,240
Speaker 1: NBA or Major League Baseball, no player really beside maybe

912
00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:59,279
Speaker 1: a handful of guys on a team or on scholarship.

913
00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:02,000
Speaker 1: So if you don't produce, you will get wally piped

914
00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:06,440
Speaker 1: by a younger player. What matters to me rookie quarterback

915
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:11,200
Speaker 1: struggles like Kyler Murray's gonna play, right, If Daniel Jones

916
00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:13,640
Speaker 1: looks terrible, that's kind of a big issue because he's

917
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:16,400
Speaker 1: going to play, maybe not start the season, but the

918
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:18,640
Speaker 1: Giants are gonna be good. He's gonna play pretty early.

919
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:21,759
Speaker 1: So how a rookie quarterback looks in training camp more

920
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:23,680
Speaker 1: now than ever of these last three or four years,

921
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:28,000
Speaker 1: because rickie quarterbacks play immediately Back in the day, who cares, right,

922
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:31,080
Speaker 1: Remember a couple of years ago, even like Mahomes. A

923
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:32,879
Speaker 1: couple of years ago, with Mahomes, we knew he wasn't

924
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:35,000
Speaker 1: gonna start, So whether he was good in training camp

925
00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:37,719
Speaker 1: or bad in training camp, it didn't matter. But last year,

926
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:39,800
Speaker 1: how Baker looked in training camp, how Donald looked in

927
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:43,080
Speaker 1: training camp, how Alan looked in training camp, how Rosen

928
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:45,400
Speaker 1: looks and looked in training camp. Lamar Jackson, we know

929
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:48,319
Speaker 1: those guys are gonna play. Mariotta wentz Goff. You go

930
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:51,240
Speaker 1: through the list, All these guys are playing like Jimmy

931
00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:54,600
Speaker 1: Garoppolo years ago, who cares he was playing behind Tom Brady.

932
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:58,160
Speaker 1: But most rookie player, especially the guy's drafted high Kyler Murray,

933
00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:02,840
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones, Dwayne Haskins to me how they look and

934
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:05,400
Speaker 1: how they function in the offense in practice. So what

935
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:07,760
Speaker 1: you're reading about them and then definitely in the games

936
00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:11,200
Speaker 1: does matter because we're gonna throw these guys into the

937
00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:16,319
Speaker 1: fire quicker than ever nowadays. A couple of Middlecoff mail

938
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:18,759
Speaker 1: bag questions that I'll get you out of here on

939
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:21,640
Speaker 1: your week. I'm running a little low, so I need

940
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:25,360
Speaker 1: I've answered a lot just manually. Actually got a good question.

941
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:29,040
Speaker 1: I actually Texas guy back, but I'll answer it here

942
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:32,239
Speaker 1: again at John Middlecoff is my Instagram handle. I'm gonna

943
00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:34,440
Speaker 1: be doing a bunch of videos on there too, especially

944
00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:37,480
Speaker 1: during the season. Uh just any hot topic going on,

945
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:39,880
Speaker 1: you can always hit me up. I interact with a

946
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:43,160
Speaker 1: lot of people on Instagram. I interact with people on

947
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:46,200
Speaker 1: Twitter too, but Twitter is such an angry place. Instagram

948
00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:48,640
Speaker 1: is a little more fun. I enjoyed a little more.

949
00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:51,600
Speaker 1: So I answer your questions on Instagram called the Middlecoff

950
00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:54,439
Speaker 1: mail Bag and every show with it. Here's a good

951
00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:58,719
Speaker 1: one from Jake when Brady retires? One, will Belichick go

952
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:01,480
Speaker 1: with him? To would you take the over under on

953
00:49:01,719 --> 00:49:05,839
Speaker 1: eight and a half wins post Brady? One? I think

954
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:09,919
Speaker 1: Belichick wants Brady to retire and then at minimum coach

955
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:13,440
Speaker 1: one year to just prove like he can make the playoffs. Two?

956
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:17,520
Speaker 1: Would you take the over under post Brady? If Bill

957
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:21,239
Speaker 1: was the coach, I would take the over. If McDaniels

958
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:24,360
Speaker 1: is a coach, I take the under. Brady's gone, Belichick

959
00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:26,320
Speaker 1: is gone. I don't know who the hell would be

960
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:29,000
Speaker 1: their quarterback, and I don't know when Tom's gonna retire.

961
00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:33,920
Speaker 1: So if Belichick's there, I'll take the over. If Belichick

962
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:38,799
Speaker 1: is gone, I will take the under. Hey, John, awesome podcast.

963
00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:41,360
Speaker 1: I would agree. I was wondering why you were not

964
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:44,640
Speaker 1: hirer on Josh Allen of the Bills once heard you

965
00:49:44,680 --> 00:49:46,960
Speaker 1: say you love big arm talents. Allen looks like a

966
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:50,000
Speaker 1: perfect blend of Steve Young and Ben Roethlisburg. Well, we're

967
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:52,080
Speaker 1: gonna get back to that comment here in a second.

968
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:55,160
Speaker 1: If you could fix the accuracy issues, do you think

969
00:49:55,560 --> 00:49:58,879
Speaker 1: he can be better than Donald or Mayfield. Also, how

970
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:00,400
Speaker 1: do you go about helping him be coome a more

971
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:03,919
Speaker 1: accurate passer? Would he benefit from an offensive minded coach

972
00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:07,040
Speaker 1: as opposed to McDermott. I see what you're saying about

973
00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:09,640
Speaker 1: Steve Young because he was a mobile guy. But I

974
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:12,560
Speaker 1: think when I think Steve Young, and he's probably my

975
00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:15,719
Speaker 1: favorite player growing up, I just thought he was a

976
00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:17,799
Speaker 1: sweet player when I was young. Now that I'm thinking

977
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:19,799
Speaker 1: about football differently than I did when I was ten,

978
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:23,120
Speaker 1: when I think Steve Young, I think, beside Drew Brees,

979
00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:26,600
Speaker 1: the most accurate quarterback ever. So I would compare Josh

980
00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:31,000
Speaker 1: Allen more to like, I don't even know, like Kaepernick

981
00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:35,359
Speaker 1: or something, because he's just not an accurate quarterback. Now,

982
00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:37,600
Speaker 1: I'm not a coach, I don't know exactly how to

983
00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:40,520
Speaker 1: fix accuracy issue. You know, if we got Sean Payton

984
00:50:40,600 --> 00:50:43,719
Speaker 1: or Andy Reid or Kyle Shanahan on here, I think

985
00:50:43,719 --> 00:50:46,160
Speaker 1: a lot of them tell you that you're kind of

986
00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:49,160
Speaker 1: it's just an innate skill a little bit once you

987
00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:51,640
Speaker 1: get to the league. Now, there are subtle things with footwork,

988
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:56,840
Speaker 1: arm angle. You can probably work with timing reps. But

989
00:50:56,960 --> 00:51:00,839
Speaker 1: I just don't think historically you can ago from being

990
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:03,320
Speaker 1: like a low fifties or whatever he was in college.

991
00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:05,560
Speaker 1: Now he was playing with terrible players, but he was awful.

992
00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:08,160
Speaker 1: I mean I I made a point his senior year

993
00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:10,560
Speaker 1: or might have been his junior year, whatever's last year

994
00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:13,799
Speaker 1: in college to watch the Iowan Oregon game, and it

995
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:16,719
Speaker 1: was like, what the hell is this? Because I wanted

996
00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:19,480
Speaker 1: to like him. Now I do like him. I follow

997
00:51:19,560 --> 00:51:22,319
Speaker 1: him on all social media. He's everything I want a guy,

998
00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:25,040
Speaker 1: high level guy. It just looks like a good human.

999
00:51:25,239 --> 00:51:28,360
Speaker 1: I root for good smart humans. You know, Sam Donald,

1000
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:32,080
Speaker 1: him or BFFs I'm rooting for. But I I it's

1001
00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:37,279
Speaker 1: just hard to me to to think that inconsistent or

1002
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:41,279
Speaker 1: inaccurate quarterbacks can win in the NFL. Now he might

1003
00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:44,040
Speaker 1: have a good year, but I don't think you can

1004
00:51:44,120 --> 00:51:47,480
Speaker 1: sustain it over a period of time. Now, can I

1005
00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:50,239
Speaker 1: get better? Yeah, I mean work ethic, I think you

1006
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:54,040
Speaker 1: can incrementally improve. Again, I said this on a couple

1007
00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:56,960
Speaker 1: of podcasts ago. Warren Moon told me back when I

1008
00:51:57,000 --> 00:52:00,400
Speaker 1: had a radio show, he improved a lot over his years,

1009
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:02,160
Speaker 1: but it took a lot of time, took a lot

1010
00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:05,160
Speaker 1: of rep reps, a lot of effort, I'm not counting

1011
00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:07,280
Speaker 1: them out that I don't think he can ever become

1012
00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:10,200
Speaker 1: an more accurate quarterback. But I don't ever see him

1013
00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:13,120
Speaker 1: being like Drew Brees or something, or Tom Brady. But yeah,

1014
00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:15,880
Speaker 1: if he can just get to sixty two percent, and

1015
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:18,480
Speaker 1: in this league, sixty two is like the old fifty

1016
00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:20,840
Speaker 1: eight because how easy it is to pass, but be

1017
00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:24,560
Speaker 1: an explosive, big arm guy to be like if you

1018
00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:27,440
Speaker 1: look back at Kaepernick stats, and I'm not I'm not

1019
00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:29,960
Speaker 1: bringing up Kaepernick. This has nothing to do with the

1020
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:32,399
Speaker 1: political stuff. This is just as a football player. Those

1021
00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:34,759
Speaker 1: first couple of years, the Niners were winning a lot

1022
00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:39,080
Speaker 1: of games with him going like ten for eighteen and

1023
00:52:39,120 --> 00:52:41,160
Speaker 1: he'd throw it for like two hundred yards and three touchdowns.

1024
00:52:41,719 --> 00:52:45,800
Speaker 1: He did not have many thirty two or forty games

1025
00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:48,680
Speaker 1: that that was not his style of play. He run

1026
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:51,440
Speaker 1: for fifty to eighty yards and a touchdown, and he'd

1027
00:52:51,480 --> 00:52:54,600
Speaker 1: hit a couple of big plays to An Koon, Bolden,

1028
00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:59,759
Speaker 1: Fernon Davis, Michael Crabtree. He'd had huge plays. But he's

1029
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:01,680
Speaker 1: so he was really more of a flash player than

1030
00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:05,239
Speaker 1: he ever was a dominant, consistent player. So you can

1031
00:53:05,239 --> 00:53:07,560
Speaker 1: win that way now. But it's hard to sustain it

1032
00:53:08,080 --> 00:53:12,080
Speaker 1: and that was a problem for him. Uh but yeah,

1033
00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:14,719
Speaker 1: I just I'm rooting for Josh Allen. So I'm not

1034
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:17,480
Speaker 1: when you say I'm low on Josh Allen. No, I'm

1035
00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:19,480
Speaker 1: just what most people aren't Josh Allen. I think he's

1036
00:53:19,480 --> 00:53:21,520
Speaker 1: an inaccurate guy, and I think it's hard to win

1037
00:53:21,560 --> 00:53:25,279
Speaker 1: in the NFL when you're inaccurate. But I think like

1038
00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:27,799
Speaker 1: he does have some tools, Like he has tools that

1039
00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:31,600
Speaker 1: I want. He'd have tools I'd love. I mean, I'd

1040
00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:34,400
Speaker 1: get like a football erection here drafting a guy like

1041
00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:37,680
Speaker 1: that in the second round. If my coaches Sean Payton,

1042
00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:41,120
Speaker 1: Kyle Shanahan, Sean McVeigh, Andy Reid, and you just get

1043
00:53:41,120 --> 00:53:43,040
Speaker 1: to work with him. But that's not really the y.

1044
00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:44,640
Speaker 1: He just kind of got thrown into the fire. He

1045
00:53:44,719 --> 00:53:48,400
Speaker 1: was super raw product. I do think Sean McDermott is

1046
00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:51,719
Speaker 1: the type guy, super serious. I just know as a

1047
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:54,239
Speaker 1: team builder, they drafted or not they draft, but they

1048
00:53:54,239 --> 00:53:57,720
Speaker 1: signed a couple of small receivers this offseason. I don't

1049
00:53:57,840 --> 00:54:03,839
Speaker 1: love that. Uh, but yeah, I'm not. I would not

1050
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:06,879
Speaker 1: say I'm a'm Josh Allen hater. You could say I'm

1051
00:54:06,920 --> 00:54:09,560
Speaker 1: a I'm a Lamar Jackson Hayter trying to think of

1052
00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:14,560
Speaker 1: a player that I'm a hater on. Uh, I hate

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Speaker 1: Chris Paul Right, Yeah, I'm a Chris Paul Hayter. I

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Speaker 1: like more NBA players that I hate. I don't really

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Speaker 1: hate any NFL players, just I expect how hard it

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Speaker 1: is and even core, even like Lamar Jackson. I have

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Speaker 1: a lot of respect for Lamar, how how he conducts himself. Uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, just everything I've ever heard about the type

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Speaker 1: guy is if you're a bad player but a good guy,

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Speaker 1: I I I root for you, and I don't mind

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Speaker 1: people think like once you say, especially as an evaluator

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Speaker 1: or even in the media, like I I wouldn't draft

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Speaker 1: this guy. Just because I wouldn't draft him doesn't mean

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Speaker 1: I hope he doesn't make me look wrong in and

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Speaker 1: plays well, especially when they're a high character guy. I

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Speaker 1: root for high character players because more high character players

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Speaker 1: in the NFL, the more healthy the league is. In

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Speaker 1: a perfect world, you wouldn't want anyone ever getting in trouble.

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Speaker 1: You'd want a bunch of good guys planning at a

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Speaker 1: super high level and you have a good product. Now

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Speaker 1: that's we all know that's not possible, but I'm room

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Speaker 1: for Josh Allen to succeed. Appreciate everyone listening, Enjoy the

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Speaker 1: week at John middlecoff my Instagram wide open fire in

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Speaker 1: there and ask me questions and enjoy football is a

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Speaker 1: back baby, and I will talk to you later this week.

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