WEBVTT - Rerun: TechStuff's Spooky Halloween Spectacular!

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Tech Stuff, a production from I Heart Radio.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey there, and welcome to tech Stuff. I'm your host,

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<v Speaker 1>Jonathan Strickland. I'm an executive producer with I Heart Radio

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<v Speaker 1>and a love of all things tech, and as we

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<v Speaker 1>close in on Halloween, I thought it would be fun

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<v Speaker 1>to do some, you know, Halloween themed episodes of tech Stuff. Unfortunately,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm also in the middle of doing about fifty other things,

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<v Speaker 1>including some interesting changes for tech Stuff that will be

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<v Speaker 1>coming up in the new years. Interesting changes meaning you're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna get more of it. There's going to be not

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<v Speaker 1>just uh, the classic tech stuff episodes that you've come

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<v Speaker 1>to expect where I do the deep dives and technology,

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<v Speaker 1>but some other stuff as well that I'm really excited

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<v Speaker 1>to talk about more as we get closer. And I'm

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<v Speaker 1>also working on the launch of a brand new podcast,

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<v Speaker 1>or rather the revival of a podcast I used to

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<v Speaker 1>host just in my spare time. It's coming up pretty

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<v Speaker 1>soon in the middle of December. I'll talk more about

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<v Speaker 1>that as we get closer as well. So the short

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<v Speaker 1>side of it is that all of these things have

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<v Speaker 1>taken a lot of my time and attention in the

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<v Speaker 1>short term, and uh, it turns out. The scariest word

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<v Speaker 1>out of all the scary words around Halloween is deadline.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, the word dead is right there right spooky.

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<v Speaker 1>And so I decided that rather than give you a

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<v Speaker 1>halfhearted episode, something that was put together in a rush

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<v Speaker 1>and not researched properly, I would rather play an episode

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<v Speaker 1>that I recorded back in two thousand eighteen. This episode

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<v Speaker 1>originally published on October thirty one, Halloween, two thousand eighteen.

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<v Speaker 1>It is called tech Stuffs Spooky Halloween Spectacular. And I'll

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<v Speaker 1>have a little more to say afterward, but I hope

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<v Speaker 1>you enjoy this episode from ten. Let's listen in. Hey

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<v Speaker 1>the everybody, and welcome to Text Stuff. I am your host,

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<v Speaker 1>Jonathan Strictly, executive vampire here at ull Stuff works Halloween.

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<v Speaker 1>If you're listening to this on Halloween. Otherwise, that was

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<v Speaker 1>the worst possible introduction I could have given for this episode,

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<v Speaker 1>and I I should feel badly about it, but I don't. Nope,

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<v Speaker 1>But in celebration of Halloween, we are going to take

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<v Speaker 1>a look at spooky thick or you know, scary tech,

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<v Speaker 1>or at least some technology that could at least be

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<v Speaker 1>kind of creepy. See, here's the problem. Running into y'all,

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<v Speaker 1>I've already done an episode about tech in haunted house attractions,

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<v Speaker 1>so that's finished. I already did one on ghost hunting

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<v Speaker 1>technology years ago where I gave a skeptical view of

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<v Speaker 1>what all that was about. And sooner or later, after

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<v Speaker 1>you do a few years of a technology podcast, you

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<v Speaker 1>start to run out of the fun stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 1>So for this episode, I turned to the house Stuff

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<v Speaker 1>Works website and I pulled up a classic article, which

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<v Speaker 1>is also always a dangerous thing when you're talking technology.

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<v Speaker 1>But this article is titled ten Scary modern Technologies. It

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<v Speaker 1>was co written by David Ruse and my former editor

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<v Speaker 1>and tech Stuff co host Chris Pallette. So get ready

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<v Speaker 1>for some tech that goes bump in the night, I guess.

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<v Speaker 1>And actually, to be more serious, the technology I'm listing

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<v Speaker 1>here does not fall into the supernatural or ghostly categories

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<v Speaker 1>at all. The technology represents stuff that could be unsettling

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<v Speaker 1>or at worst could cause massive enormous problems due to

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<v Speaker 1>overreach or unintended consequences. So there are some serious entries

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<v Speaker 1>in here, even though I'm having a little bit of

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<v Speaker 1>fun with the presentation. So let us get started. Number

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<v Speaker 1>ten on the list, hollow sonics, and the audio spotlight system.

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<v Speaker 1>This is more in the creepy, unsettling vein technology that

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<v Speaker 1>focuses sound. That's what this is all about. It's focusing

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<v Speaker 1>sound into a narrow beam, which provides the opportunity for

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<v Speaker 1>ultra targeted sound for stuff like advertising. It's not necessarily creepy,

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<v Speaker 1>but not necessarily welcome either. But imagine that you're walking

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<v Speaker 1>through a store and just as you're passing in front

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<v Speaker 1>of a certain store item, let's say it's cookie crisp cereal,

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<v Speaker 1>and you start hearing a voice whispering to you, Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>that cookie crisp looks pretty good. It might seem really weird,

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<v Speaker 1>this little disembodied voice, and as soon as you get

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<v Speaker 1>past a certain point, you can't hear it anymore. You

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<v Speaker 1>just have this experience. As you're going through the store,

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<v Speaker 1>you keep hearing these targeted sounds in very narrow spots,

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<v Speaker 1>and as soon as you're out of those spots, you

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<v Speaker 1>can't hear it. That sounds pretty creepy, right, Well, how

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<v Speaker 1>does it work? Well? According to the company, the secret

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<v Speaker 1>is in the size of the sound waves compared to

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<v Speaker 1>the size of the sound source. The company states that

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<v Speaker 1>if you have a sound source that is much larger

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<v Speaker 1>than the comparable size of the sound waves it's producing,

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<v Speaker 1>you get more directionality out of your sound so you

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<v Speaker 1>can focus it more like a beam. So if you

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<v Speaker 1>were to create loudspeakers that are much much, much larger

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<v Speaker 1>than the sound waves they're producing, and sound waves can

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<v Speaker 1>measure from a few inches up to several feet in size,

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<v Speaker 1>you could direct those sound waves in a beam, more

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<v Speaker 1>like a directional beam, rather than having them propagate outward

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<v Speaker 1>in all equal directions. But that would not work very

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<v Speaker 1>well for something like targeted advertising because you would have

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<v Speaker 1>to have these enormous speakers perched behind the cheerios, and

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<v Speaker 1>that would be very distracting. So this company has gone

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<v Speaker 1>with an approach that has these devices producing ultrasonic beams

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<v Speaker 1>of sound. Ultrasonic sound ways are very very tiny. They're

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<v Speaker 1>also normally imperceptible, at least directly. They are imperceptible to us.

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<v Speaker 1>We cannot hear in this frequency. They do have a

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<v Speaker 1>very strong directionality as a result of the way they

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<v Speaker 1>are generated. Uh So, according to the company, as the

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<v Speaker 1>ultrasonic beam travels through the air, the inherent properties of

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<v Speaker 1>the air caused the ultrasound to change shape in a

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<v Speaker 1>predictable way. This gives rise to frequency components in the

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<v Speaker 1>audible band which can be accurately predicted and therefore precisely controlled.

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<v Speaker 1>By generating the correct ultrasonic signal, we can create within

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<v Speaker 1>the air itself any sound desired. So, in other words,

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<v Speaker 1>it's the interaction of these ultrasonic frequencies with the air

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<v Speaker 1>itself that causes the ultrasonic frequencies to change, and then

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<v Speaker 1>you produce these audible frequencies. And because this is all

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<v Speaker 1>very controllable in a predictable environment, you can produce whatever

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<v Speaker 1>sounds you want. This is based off the work of

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<v Speaker 1>an inventor named Woody Norris. He demonstrated this technology at

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<v Speaker 1>a TED talk in the early two thousand's. Rather than

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<v Speaker 1>generating the audible sound on the face of the speaker

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<v Speaker 1>as a traditional speaker would, where the speakers moving a

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<v Speaker 1>diaphragm in and out and pushing air around, the ultrasonic

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<v Speaker 1>emitter creates a column of the air itself to act

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<v Speaker 1>like a speaker, which is pretty nifty. I'm sorry, I

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<v Speaker 1>meant spooky number nine d N A hacking. So back

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<v Speaker 1>in two thousand three, scientists finished mapping out the human genome.

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<v Speaker 1>But that was obviously just the beginning. That's just uh,

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<v Speaker 1>a long list of base pairs. Um. Next came the

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<v Speaker 1>work to examine the genome closely and determine which bait

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<v Speaker 1>base pairs in the more than three billion pairs that

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<v Speaker 1>make up the human genome are responsible for different stuff

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<v Speaker 1>like our uh possibility of developing a disease, for example,

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<v Speaker 1>because if you could determine that, and if you could

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<v Speaker 1>determine a way of changing that part of the DNA

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<v Speaker 1>so that it's eliminated, maybe you could make someone not

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<v Speaker 1>develop that disease. You could potentially wipe out certain diseases.

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<v Speaker 1>And beyond that, what about hacking the human genomes so

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<v Speaker 1>that we can create designer human beings, human beings who

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<v Speaker 1>have traits that we consider to be superior. Now that's

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<v Speaker 1>the stuff of lots of science fiction and horror cautionary tales,

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<v Speaker 1>stuff like Gatica saying, yeah, but who gets to decide

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<v Speaker 1>what is superior? And what happens to people who aren't

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<v Speaker 1>able to take advantage of that technology, and what happens

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<v Speaker 1>to the people who do take advantage of that technology.

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<v Speaker 1>There are a lot of ethical questions around it. However,

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<v Speaker 1>beyond that, there are other scary things to consider. DNA

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<v Speaker 1>hacking could allow for individually focused biological warfare. So imagine

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<v Speaker 1>that you're living in a world and someone can get

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<v Speaker 1>access to your DNA. Maybe they get a skin sample

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<v Speaker 1>or some hair or something. They're able to get something

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<v Speaker 1>from you that has traces of your DNA in it,

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<v Speaker 1>and they're able to analyze your DNA and see what

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<v Speaker 1>makes you you and look for any vulnerabilities. Maybe they

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<v Speaker 1>find out that you have a predisposed weakness to a

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<v Speaker 1>particular type of virus, and then the engineer a virus

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<v Speaker 1>to attack you specifically. That was actually the premise of

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<v Speaker 1>a two thousand twelve article in The Atlantic, and that

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<v Speaker 1>article hypothesized the future in which the President of the

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<v Speaker 1>United States could be targeted and assassinated through the use

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<v Speaker 1>of a particularly nasty virus that was Taylor made for

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<v Speaker 1>the president. Yikes. Or imagine more than that, maybe a

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<v Speaker 1>widespread plague unless Stephen King's the stand engineered through a

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<v Speaker 1>deep understanding of DNA paired with a really crap containment strategy.

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<v Speaker 1>So how realistic is all of that, Well, in the

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<v Speaker 1>short term, it's probably not terribly realistic. It's certainly possible,

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<v Speaker 1>but not necessarily plausible. But it does require a deep

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<v Speaker 1>understanding of DNA and a means to manipulate it easily

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<v Speaker 1>in order to pay it off. We've seen some advances

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<v Speaker 1>in those areas. There are a lot more ways that

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<v Speaker 1>we can manipulate DNA than there used to be, but

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<v Speaker 1>not exactly easy to do. It's easy, you're but that's

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<v Speaker 1>that's a matter of degrees. However, you can make a

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<v Speaker 1>convincing argument that it would not require too deep and

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<v Speaker 1>understanding to cause real harm unintentionally, and that would be

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<v Speaker 1>a very difficult argument to counter. And while DNA hacking

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<v Speaker 1>could produce all sorts of different futuristic results, we do

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<v Speaker 1>already have a culture of bio hackers, also sometimes known

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<v Speaker 1>as grinders, who have taken body alteration to new places.

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<v Speaker 1>These folks are not working on a DNA level, They're

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<v Speaker 1>not changing themselves fundamentally in that way. Instead, they're doing alterations,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, upgrades. So one example would be there are

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<v Speaker 1>people who have chosen to have small magnets implanted under

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<v Speaker 1>the skin of their fingertips. Say, these little nubby magnets

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<v Speaker 1>sticking out on their fingertips kind of weird, right, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>what's the purpose of that. Well, because of the effects

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<v Speaker 1>of magnetism and electromagnetism, they would actually be able to

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<v Speaker 1>sense when they were near magnetic or electromagnetic fields. So

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<v Speaker 1>it'd be kind of like Spider Man's spiky sense. They'd

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<v Speaker 1>feel tugging on their fingertips as they passed through it.

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<v Speaker 1>So instead of detecting danger like Spider Man would, you'd

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<v Speaker 1>be able to tell like whether or not electricity was

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<v Speaker 1>flowing through a conductor, for example, because you could bring

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<v Speaker 1>your fingers close to that conductor. Maybe it's some wires.

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<v Speaker 1>You bring your fingers close, and if you start feeling

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<v Speaker 1>the pulses from an alternating magnetic field of fluctuating magnetic field,

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<v Speaker 1>I would tell you, oh, electricity, alternating current is flowing

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<v Speaker 1>through here, because I can feel it in my fingertips.

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<v Speaker 1>That would be something you normally would not be able

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<v Speaker 1>to feel. So you kind of have a sixth sense

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<v Speaker 1>due to having these magnets implanted in your fingertips. And

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<v Speaker 1>people have actually done this, However, a word of caution.

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<v Speaker 1>From what I understand, these operations are pretty painful. They

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<v Speaker 1>usually are not done with an esthetic. There's not really

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<v Speaker 1>a place you can go that's medically, you know, licensed

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<v Speaker 1>to do this, because it's not a it's not a

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<v Speaker 1>standard medical procedure. As far as I know, there are

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<v Speaker 1>no accredited medical facilities that do it. I think any

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<v Speaker 1>doctor who did practice this would have uh the danger

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<v Speaker 1>of being barred from practice. So you're usually talking about

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<v Speaker 1>entrepreneuring body modification specialists, you know, like piercers, who will

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<v Speaker 1>do this kind of operation. And anytime you're talking about

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<v Speaker 1>introducing something foreign to the body, you're also raising other

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<v Speaker 1>risks like infection, So you've got to be super duper

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<v Speaker 1>careful about that kind of thing. In other words, you're

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<v Speaker 1>not gonna find me putting magnets under my fingertips anytime soon.

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<v Speaker 1>Number eight on the list cyber war Oh boy, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>the scenario the article specifically lays out is an all

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<v Speaker 1>out cyber warfare attack where one nation targets another nation's infrastructure,

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<v Speaker 1>like it's power grid system or water system. And sure enough,

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<v Speaker 1>the U. S Department of Homeland Security has reported that

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<v Speaker 1>there's lots of evidence to show that various hackers have

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<v Speaker 1>infiltrated critical infrastructure with such tactics like Russian hackers and

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<v Speaker 1>the things like power plants and gas pipelines, and that's terrifying.

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<v Speaker 1>And before that report had even made the news that

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<v Speaker 1>was in security experts have for years been warning that

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<v Speaker 1>Chinese hackers have been infiltrating American infrastructure. CNN reported on

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<v Speaker 1>that in two thousand fourteen. So this is not exactly

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<v Speaker 1>a new story. It's a continuing story that continues to

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<v Speaker 1>be really problematic and concerning. So the infiltration part is

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<v Speaker 1>a reality. We know for a fact hackers from other

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<v Speaker 1>countries have infiltrated various systems. There have been traces found

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<v Speaker 1>of their activities, so we know that there have at

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<v Speaker 1>least been people snooping around our systems. Whether or not

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<v Speaker 1>they've installed anything to help shut stuff down as another matter,

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<v Speaker 1>but they've definitely been there, and they appeared to have

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<v Speaker 1>been there from places like Russia and China. That does

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<v Speaker 1>not automatically mean that the infiltration was state directed, in

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<v Speaker 1>other words, that it was a government backed project, but

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<v Speaker 1>that seems to be the general consensus is that these

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<v Speaker 1>were likely the activities of a state backed group of hackers.

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<v Speaker 1>What about shutting everything down is that realistic? Well, it

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<v Speaker 1>could be more challenging to do, but not necessarily impossible.

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<v Speaker 1>Many utilities have started installing self healing systems. Self healing

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<v Speaker 1>system isn't quite as cool as it sounds like. It's

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<v Speaker 1>not like it's wolverine and infrastructure form, but it does

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<v Speaker 1>involve having a system that when it detects problems automatically

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<v Speaker 1>tries to reroute services to get around those problems. So

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<v Speaker 1>with a power grid, it might be if a smart

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<v Speaker 1>power grid system detects that there's a short that some reason,

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<v Speaker 1>or there's a a break in connectivity at some point,

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<v Speaker 1>it may try to reroute power to work around that

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<v Speaker 1>as much as possible. That could help confound a cyber

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<v Speaker 1>warfare attack a little bit. At least it might mitigate

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<v Speaker 1>the impact of an attack, um though preventing one entirely

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<v Speaker 1>maybe not. But then there are also attacks on other systems,

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<v Speaker 1>not just power grids and water and gas, which are

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<v Speaker 1>all scary enough. But there's the evidence that showed Russian

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<v Speaker 1>hackers were targeting elect systems in the United States leading

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<v Speaker 1>up to the twenty sixteen elections. I talked about this

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<v Speaker 1>in a recent episode of Tech Stuff, so I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>gonna go all the way through it again. But the

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<v Speaker 1>really insidious thing about those attacks is they don't even

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<v Speaker 1>have to be super successful to be effective. If you

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<v Speaker 1>can so doubt in the minds of a nation's citizens

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<v Speaker 1>as to the validity of any given election, you have

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<v Speaker 1>undermined the very foundation of that nation's government. A government

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<v Speaker 1>that doesn't have the confidence of its population is on

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<v Speaker 1>shaky ground and has to move more and more towards

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<v Speaker 1>totalitarianism in order to maintain power. If you don't have

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<v Speaker 1>any confidence that your system works, then you don't have

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<v Speaker 1>any confidence in your government at all. So cyber war

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<v Speaker 1>is something that is continuing right now. It is actually happening.

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<v Speaker 1>It is already in place. And obviously I've given examples

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<v Speaker 1>of how the US has been the target of cyber warfare,

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<v Speaker 1>but don't forget the US has engaged in it too.

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<v Speaker 1>We're not, you know, the United States has not been

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<v Speaker 1>just the poor victim in all these cases. The United

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<v Speaker 1>States has certainly played a hand in cyber warfare activities.

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<v Speaker 1>One example would be stuck s net, the computer virus

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<v Speaker 1>that was designed to sabotage uranium enrichment facilities in Iran.

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<v Speaker 1>So this is not something that everyone else is doing

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<v Speaker 1>and the United States is the victim. This is something

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<v Speaker 1>that everyone is doing as much as they can and

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<v Speaker 1>stepping it up as much as they can. Well, we

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<v Speaker 1>have a lot more scary technology to talk about, but

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<v Speaker 1>I need to have a sip of tea to comfort myself.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's take a quick break to thank our sponsor. Number

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<v Speaker 1>seven is the technological singularity. Now, out of all the

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<v Speaker 1>science fiction ideas I find particularly interesting, this one ranks

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<v Speaker 1>near the top of them. The singularity refers to a

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<v Speaker 1>general concept that could be brought about in several different ways,

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<v Speaker 1>but from a very high level, the idea goes something

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<v Speaker 1>like this. Imagine that technology has advanced to the point

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<v Speaker 1>that the newest stuff coming out is already designing the

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<v Speaker 1>next generation of stuff. And imagine that the gaps between

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<v Speaker 1>these generations are getting smaller and smaller, and eventually you

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<v Speaker 1>reach a point where the present is defined by constant change,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's the only way you can define it. Because

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<v Speaker 1>things change so quickly it is almost impossible to describe

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<v Speaker 1>the present in any coherent way. That's how quickly everything

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<v Speaker 1>is evolving. The thing that would fuel this would be

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<v Speaker 1>the emergence of superhuman intelligence. In most of the scenarios

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<v Speaker 1>that involve the technological singularity However, that would not necessarily

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<v Speaker 1>require just uh, you know, a computer AI. That's one

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<v Speaker 1>possible version is pure artificial intelligence that has superhuman capabilities

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<v Speaker 1>and processing information. This is your basic deep thought from

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<v Speaker 1>Hitchecker's Guide to the Galaxy or sky Net from the

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<v Speaker 1>terminator that scenario. This would be a scenario in which

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<v Speaker 1>we humans have created an AI so powerful we are

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<v Speaker 1>unable to control it, and then it goes on to

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<v Speaker 1>redefine our world in ways that we could not anticipate

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<v Speaker 1>because we cannot operate on the same level as this

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<v Speaker 1>superhuman intelligence. But that is not necessarily the only pathway

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<v Speaker 1>to the technological singularity. Another way might be that humans

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<v Speaker 1>find a way to boost our own intelligence and thus

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<v Speaker 1>we evolve beyond what we traditionally think of as being human.

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<v Speaker 1>We might do this through a deeper understanding of biology.

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<v Speaker 1>We could boost our intelligence that way, going back to

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<v Speaker 1>the concept of d n A hacking and things related

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<v Speaker 1>to that. Or it might involve using technology to create

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<v Speaker 1>cyborg like beings where we merge with technology on some level,

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<v Speaker 1>and with tech and biology working together, we boost our

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<v Speaker 1>intelligence to new levels and achieve superhuman intelligence that way.

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<v Speaker 1>So bottom line is this a possibility, well, it beats me.

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<v Speaker 1>But there are a lot of super smart people who

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<v Speaker 1>are on either side of this issue. So some people

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<v Speaker 1>say the singularity is essentially a foregone conclusion. It will happen,

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<v Speaker 1>The only question is when will it happen. But there

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<v Speaker 1>are other people who say there might be some fundamental

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<v Speaker 1>barriers that were not likely to get over, and those

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<v Speaker 1>barriers will block the singularity from ever happening. One of

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<v Speaker 1>the frequent criticisms of various UH singularity scenarios is that

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of it rests on the belief that we're

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<v Speaker 1>going to see progress continue on a pace that's similar

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<v Speaker 1>to what Moore's law has observed with computer processing power.

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<v Speaker 1>And the thing is that pace may not be realistic,

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<v Speaker 1>or sustainable, or even applicable to some technologies. So Moore's

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<v Speaker 1>law applies to UH to the processing power of computers

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<v Speaker 1>generally speaking, but they may not apply to other elements

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<v Speaker 1>that would be necessary to bring about superhuman intelligence, because

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<v Speaker 1>processing power by itself is not intelligence. You also have

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<v Speaker 1>to have the software side. You've got a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>other pieces that have to be in place. However, if

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<v Speaker 1>it is possible, it could very well mean the end

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<v Speaker 1>of the human race as we know it today. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>that doesn't necessarily mean it's the end of humanity entirely.

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<v Speaker 1>It just may mean that humanity will transition into something different,

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<v Speaker 1>so it could be a new beginning. It's not necessarily

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<v Speaker 1>the end of everything, but still spooky. Number six Google Glass,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean that was the number on the on the

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<v Speaker 1>article Google. You remember Google glass, the augmented reality glasses.

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<v Speaker 1>Back when Chris and Dave were working on this article,

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<v Speaker 1>Google glass was still a real thing. It was it

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<v Speaker 1>was poised to become an actual consumer product outside of

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<v Speaker 1>the relatively small sample of bleeding edge adopters a k a.

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<v Speaker 1>Glass holes. We were sometimes called that because I was

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<v Speaker 1>one of them. I had a pair of Google Glass.

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<v Speaker 1>The glasses were part augmented reality headset, part user interface

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<v Speaker 1>for the world around you. They included a camera which

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<v Speaker 1>could pull in information, and a Bluetooth chips so the

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<v Speaker 1>glasses could communicate with a paired mobile device, and through

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<v Speaker 1>that mobile device, the glasses could also pair information like

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<v Speaker 1>GPS coordinates. So these glasses, while giving you potentially incredible

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<v Speaker 1>access to information about the world around you, could also

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<v Speaker 1>gather information about the world around you for the benefit

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<v Speaker 1>of Google and suddenly this company could potentially access information

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<v Speaker 1>from cameras mounted on faces all over the world. And

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<v Speaker 1>the glasses also had microphones, because you know, you could

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<v Speaker 1>use voice commands to make your glasses do stuff. But

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<v Speaker 1>that also meant that in very Google could listen in

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<v Speaker 1>as well, not just see everything, but hear everything, which

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<v Speaker 1>raises some big privacy concerns, not just for the people

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<v Speaker 1>wearing the glasses, but for everyone around those people. And

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<v Speaker 1>Google makes money with information, so you would effectively be

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<v Speaker 1>generating product for Google to sell by wearing a pair

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<v Speaker 1>of those glasses and walking around everywhere. Google would be

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<v Speaker 1>the head of a big surveillance state, far more invasive

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<v Speaker 1>than a network of closed circuit cameras if such technology

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<v Speaker 1>was used on ethically. And while Google Glass is now

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<v Speaker 1>far more limited in its rollout, you know you only

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<v Speaker 1>see it in a few industries. At this point, the

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<v Speaker 1>company Google is still very much in the business of

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<v Speaker 1>knowing where it's customers are. In August two thousand eighteen,

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<v Speaker 1>numerous tech journals reported on a study that was conducted

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<v Speaker 1>by Douglas C. Schmidt of Vanderbilt University. That's so, he

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<v Speaker 1>said that a stationary Android phone running Chrome in the

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<v Speaker 1>background would ping Google servers with location data three forty

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<v Speaker 1>times in a twenty four hour period. Even if you

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<v Speaker 1>turn the location history feature off of the phone, the

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<v Speaker 1>phones were still sending location data back to Google, according

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<v Speaker 1>to the study. Google, by the way, has disputed the

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<v Speaker 1>findings of the study. Then there are the numerous per

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<v Speaker 1>assistant devices that are out there, including Google Home, that

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<v Speaker 1>also are always listening for commands. And of course that's

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<v Speaker 1>just Google. There are other companies out there like Apple

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<v Speaker 1>and Amazon that also have technologies similar to these. All

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<v Speaker 1>of these could be monitoring users and sending data back

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<v Speaker 1>so that the companies might later exploit that information for profit,

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<v Speaker 1>usually to sell you stuff to advertise directly to you.

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<v Speaker 1>But that's still pretty creepy, right. Even if the companies

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<v Speaker 1>are not actively exploiting that information, the fact that the

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<v Speaker 1>data could be transmitted and recorded at all is problematic.

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<v Speaker 1>Though again, I should say, the companies generally say they

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<v Speaker 1>do not record user data in that way, so that's

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<v Speaker 1>a relief right. Number five drones. Drones are legit creepy.

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<v Speaker 1>Many drones have cameras mounted on them that does allow

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<v Speaker 1>potential filmmakers unprecedented access and capabilities now a low budget

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<v Speaker 1>film can have the equivalent of an expensive crane shot.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a fraction of what it would cost to rent

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<v Speaker 1>and operate a film crane with all the associated personnel,

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<v Speaker 1>the safety features, all that kind of stuff. You could

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<v Speaker 1>reduce all that down to an operator and a drone

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<v Speaker 1>and it would be much less expensive. But it also

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<v Speaker 1>means a drone operator who's using one of these devices

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<v Speaker 1>could use it to do stuff like peeping, super darn creepy,

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<v Speaker 1>to be spying on neighbors and stuff. That's just the

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<v Speaker 1>consumer technology version of drones that is already troubling. But

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<v Speaker 1>then you have to remember there's also tons of military

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<v Speaker 1>grade drones, and they're being used to do everything from

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<v Speaker 1>surveillance work to active strikes on military targets. Weaponized drones.

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<v Speaker 1>These drones may be semi autonomous or completely under the

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<v Speaker 1>control of an operator who's potentially hundreds of miles away.

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<v Speaker 1>They greatly extend the surveillance capabilities of various government agencies

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<v Speaker 1>and divisions, from military to law enforcement. In the United States,

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<v Speaker 1>Congress passed a bill in two thousand twelve giving the

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<v Speaker 1>Ural Aviation Administration or f a A, the authority to

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<v Speaker 1>drop rules for commercial and police drones in US airspace.

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<v Speaker 1>The f a A hasn't been super fast to share

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<v Speaker 1>that information. That prompted the Electronic Frontier Foundation or e

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<v Speaker 1>f F, to sue the f a A under the

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<v Speaker 1>Freedom of Information Act to at least share a list

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<v Speaker 1>of the public entities and private drone manufacturers that applied

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<v Speaker 1>to flight drones in the United States, as well as

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<v Speaker 1>thousands of pages related to license applications. But the f

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<v Speaker 1>a A didn't, you know, explain how those entities were

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<v Speaker 1>planning on using the drones. So that's a problem. Number

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<v Speaker 1>four three D printers. Well, I just recently talked about

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<v Speaker 1>Maker bought and maybe you think the scariest thing about

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<v Speaker 1>three D printers is that they could lead to minor

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<v Speaker 1>burns as you try to deal with melting plastic. But

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<v Speaker 1>in fact there are other things to worry about as well,

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<v Speaker 1>like fake A t M facades. See back in two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand eleven, some thieves used a three D printer to

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<v Speaker 1>create a false front for an A t M terminal,

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<v Speaker 1>and they installed a skimmer on some A t M

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<v Speaker 1>s so unsuspecting customers would come up and it would

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<v Speaker 1>look like a real A t M front. That you

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't necessarily tell immediately that there was a projection on

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<v Speaker 1>there that was a false front. So they would put

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<v Speaker 1>their uh, their a t M card into this. They

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<v Speaker 1>would then type in their pen and meanwhile the skimmer

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<v Speaker 1>was actually scanning the data on the card and recording

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<v Speaker 1>it with the pen and allowing the thieves to steal

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<v Speaker 1>more than four hundred thousand dollars in the process. And

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<v Speaker 1>you know, all it took was a three D printer

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<v Speaker 1>to create that that convincing a t M facade. In

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand thirteen, a guy named Cody Wilson made headlines

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<v Speaker 1>when he published files for his three D printed Liberator handgun,

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<v Speaker 1>which fired three a D ammunition. That's scared a ton

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<v Speaker 1>of people because it means that anyone who had access

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<v Speaker 1>to a three D printer and the appropriate materials could

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<v Speaker 1>have the opportunity to make an untraceable weapon. There'll be

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<v Speaker 1>no background check required because you just print the thing out.

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<v Speaker 1>And it also raised other possible problems. If the plastic

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<v Speaker 1>were not of a sufficiently good enough quality, it could

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<v Speaker 1>mean that the printed gun would not contain the explosive

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<v Speaker 1>reaction properly when you fire the bullet, so it could

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<v Speaker 1>end up breaking a part in the person's hand, causing

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<v Speaker 1>injury to the person holding the guns. So even if

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<v Speaker 1>the person who had printed the three D gun did

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<v Speaker 1>so as kind of just a proof of concept and

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<v Speaker 1>they're firing at, you know, just a paper target, there's

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<v Speaker 1>the possibility that the gun itself could explode or or

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<v Speaker 1>fracture as part of this if it weren't made out

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<v Speaker 1>of sufficiently strong material, and severe injury could follow. Cody Wilson,

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<v Speaker 1>I should add, has recently been in the news again.

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<v Speaker 1>He resigned his role as director of Defense Distributed, the

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<v Speaker 1>company that he used to promote the design and distribution

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<v Speaker 1>of three D printaple gun files. It's unrelated to the

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<v Speaker 1>gun side of things, so that organization still exists and

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<v Speaker 1>continues to push Wilson's vision even without Wilson at the helm.

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<v Speaker 1>I've got some more spooky things to talk about, but

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<v Speaker 1>I grew tired, so I need the goal and drink

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<v Speaker 1>some blood. And by blood, I mean oh great, t

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<v Speaker 1>I'll be right back after this word from our sponsors

0:29:36.760 --> 0:29:42.280
<v Speaker 1>number three driver less cars. This is as still a

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<v Speaker 1>big worry. Um. Back when Chris and Dave we're writing

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<v Speaker 1>this driverless cars, we're still kind of coming out of

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<v Speaker 1>the very very limited testing situations. Google was the best

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<v Speaker 1>known version. But now we actually have some at least

0:29:59.320 --> 0:30:04.000
<v Speaker 1>some rudiment um automated car systems out there in the

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<v Speaker 1>real world, like Tesla's autopilot, which has contributed to some

0:30:09.800 --> 0:30:15.960
<v Speaker 1>notable accidents, including a fatality. UM. Tesla has said that

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<v Speaker 1>this system was not meant to be used as h

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<v Speaker 1>and at driverless car solution, but people have still done

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<v Speaker 1>it because you hear a word like autopilot and you

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<v Speaker 1>want to test it out, I guess UM, So that

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<v Speaker 1>has been an issue. It has raised concerns that perhaps

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<v Speaker 1>this autonomous car technology is nowhere near ready for full rollout,

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<v Speaker 1>which I think most companies that are working on the

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<v Speaker 1>technology would say is correct. They're still working on the

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<v Speaker 1>tech to make it a reality. UM. There have been

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of stuff, a lot of stories published about

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<v Speaker 1>various problems, philosophical problems that you need to resolve all

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<v Speaker 1>in order to make a consistent and predictable autonomous car solution,

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<v Speaker 1>one of them being the infamous trolley problem. The basic

0:31:08.680 --> 0:31:11.680
<v Speaker 1>version of the trolley problem is that you've got our

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<v Speaker 1>out of control trolley. It's going down some tracks and

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<v Speaker 1>there's a switch that will allow you to change the

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<v Speaker 1>pathway of the trolley. And if the trolley continues where

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<v Speaker 1>it's path where it's going now, um, it's going to

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<v Speaker 1>collide with a group of people. If you throw the switch,

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<v Speaker 1>it will change the direction of the trolley and it

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<v Speaker 1>will collide with one person. Do you throw the switch?

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<v Speaker 1>If you do nothing, then maybe you feel like I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not involved. Therefore my decision did not affect anybody. That

0:31:47.240 --> 0:31:49.120
<v Speaker 1>it just played out the way it was gonna play out.

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<v Speaker 1>If I throw the switch, is that I'm actively condemning

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<v Speaker 1>that other person to death? Other people would say no,

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<v Speaker 1>by not choosing, you've actively chosen to condemn the first

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<v Speaker 1>group to death. Uh. There are variations of this problem.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe you say, all right, well you've got a choice.

0:32:05.080 --> 0:32:08.240
<v Speaker 1>You can uh not throw a switch, which means the

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<v Speaker 1>out of control trolley will eventually come to a stop,

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<v Speaker 1>but everyone in the trolley is going to die as

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<v Speaker 1>a result of this accident. Or you can throw the

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<v Speaker 1>switch and the trolley will hit somebody, but the trolley

0:32:20.520 --> 0:32:22.800
<v Speaker 1>will stop and everyone who's in the trolley will survive.

0:32:23.520 --> 0:32:26.040
<v Speaker 1>So either you actively kill someone, but everyone in the

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<v Speaker 1>trolley lives or you don't do anything and everyone in

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<v Speaker 1>the trolley dies, but the person who is just innocently

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<v Speaker 1>crossing the pathway they live. These sort of ethical problems

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<v Speaker 1>are things that people talk about and debate amongst themselves,

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<v Speaker 1>but it turns out to be an actual practical problem

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<v Speaker 1>when you're designing autonomous car systems, because eventually you have

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<v Speaker 1>to build in some sort of decision making system for

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<v Speaker 1>a car in the event that it it encounters a

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<v Speaker 1>non avoidable car accident, that all the problems have aligned

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<v Speaker 1>in such a way that there is no possible outcome

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<v Speaker 1>in which there isn't a car accident. So what does

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<v Speaker 1>the car do? Does it behave in a way that

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<v Speaker 1>preserves the life of the person writing in the car?

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<v Speaker 1>Does it behave in a way that preserves the life

0:33:14.720 --> 0:33:16.960
<v Speaker 1>of the people in the surrounding area. There are a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of tough questions to answer. So M. I. T

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<v Speaker 1>published a paper from a quiz called the Moral Machine.

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<v Speaker 1>This quiz was designed to find out what people thought

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<v Speaker 1>should be given priority in these situations, and it was

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<v Speaker 1>distributed globally across social media platforms. They recorded forty million

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<v Speaker 1>ethical decisions in total. Global preference had certain consistencies. By

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<v Speaker 1>the way, generally speaking, people prefer to spare human lives

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<v Speaker 1>over animal lives. So if you had an option where

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<v Speaker 1>you can make a choice, but this animal will die

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<v Speaker 1>as a result, or you can make a choice or

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<v Speaker 1>that human will die, people would say, well, it's a shame,

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<v Speaker 1>but I'd rather choose where the animal dies. Also, people

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<v Speaker 1>in gen would choose to spare more lives rather than

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<v Speaker 1>fewer lives. So in my example with the group of

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<v Speaker 1>people versus the one person, more people would feel comfortable

0:34:08.480 --> 0:34:10.719
<v Speaker 1>with the one person losing their life as opposed to

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<v Speaker 1>the group of people. Also, people in general want to

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<v Speaker 1>spare children's lives more than adult lives, So this really

0:34:18.719 --> 0:34:22.120
<v Speaker 1>just showed people's preferences and ethical decisions. However, the study

0:34:22.239 --> 0:34:25.680
<v Speaker 1>authors stated that experts really should be the ones to

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<v Speaker 1>make the final call when designing these algorithms, that just

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<v Speaker 1>going by public preference alone may not be the best decision. However,

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<v Speaker 1>another thing to remember is that in st seven thousand

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<v Speaker 1>people died from car accidents. If driverless cars can reduce

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<v Speaker 1>that number year by year, if we can find a

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<v Speaker 1>way to make driver less cars more reliable so that

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<v Speaker 1>it reduces the overall number of fatal accidents. That would

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<v Speaker 1>be an incredible thing, and it would definitely be a

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<v Speaker 1>good argument in support for autonomous cars. It is, however,

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<v Speaker 1>that there is possible that there's a psychological barrier of

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<v Speaker 1>a machine quote unquote causing deaths, and that that could

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<v Speaker 1>be enough to screw things up, because while you might

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<v Speaker 1>be able to statistically state fewer people died because there

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<v Speaker 1>were autonomous cars, the fact that the cars were autonomous

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<v Speaker 1>and then people died has a psychological effect. You're thinking, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a machine killing a person. Number two geoengineering, so

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<v Speaker 1>this is the use of science and technology to you know,

0:35:31.680 --> 0:35:34.520
<v Speaker 1>quote unquote hack the planet. This is one of those

0:35:34.560 --> 0:35:37.960
<v Speaker 1>ideas that's meant to help counteract problems like climate change.

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<v Speaker 1>So the scientific consensus tells us, yes, there is climate change,

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<v Speaker 1>and yes it is largely due to human causes, chiefly

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<v Speaker 1>the increase of C O two in the atmosphere along

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<v Speaker 1>with other greenhouse gasses. So by creating technologies designed to

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<v Speaker 1>capture and sequester carbon dioxide so that it's not in

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<v Speaker 1>the atmosphere anymore, we could help slow or maybe even

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<v Speaker 1>stop the process of climate change. But the thing is,

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<v Speaker 1>we don't know for sure that some of these proposals

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<v Speaker 1>would work or what the other consequences of those actions

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<v Speaker 1>might be. One of the uh, well, some of the

0:36:17.480 --> 0:36:20.920
<v Speaker 1>proposed methods would definitely have nasty consequences. We know that. So,

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<v Speaker 1>for example, one possibility would be, let's put some more

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<v Speaker 1>iron in the oceans in order to spur algae blooms

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<v Speaker 1>to soak up carbon dioxide, which that could help you

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<v Speaker 1>could actually soak up c O two from the atmosphere. However,

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<v Speaker 1>that would also have a huge negative impact on the

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<v Speaker 1>ocean itself. You would create dead zones in the ocean

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<v Speaker 1>because of this algae bloom, and that means messing up

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<v Speaker 1>a really complicated ecosystem that lots of life forms depend upon,

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<v Speaker 1>including life forms that aren't you know, directly in the ocean.

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<v Speaker 1>So you would have a ripple effect. Fittingly enough, since

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<v Speaker 1>we're talking about water, you could have die offs happening

0:37:02.520 --> 0:37:06.680
<v Speaker 1>other places in the world that are a result of this,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, not even places where there are oceans,

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<v Speaker 1>So unintended consequences could be really, really nasty. Another tactic

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<v Speaker 1>besides trying to capture CEO two is to find ways

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<v Speaker 1>to reflect more of the Sun's energy back off into

0:37:23.360 --> 0:37:26.320
<v Speaker 1>space without it getting absorbed by the Earth and then

0:37:26.440 --> 0:37:30.560
<v Speaker 1>admitted back into the art's atmosphere. The message here is

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<v Speaker 1>that the cure could end up being worse, or at

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<v Speaker 1>least just as bad as the disease, though in a

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<v Speaker 1>different way. And ultimately we'll be taking a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>potentially irreversible actions without a full appreciation of what was

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<v Speaker 1>going to happen. However, if we employ these responsibly and carefully,

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<v Speaker 1>it's likely that we could use them as part of

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<v Speaker 1>an overall plan to help reduce climate change. Experts warn

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<v Speaker 1>us that these are not magic bullets. These are not

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<v Speaker 1>going to miraculously reverse the course that we've seen over

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<v Speaker 1>the last few decades. They would at best be a

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<v Speaker 1>good additional strategy along with reducing our carbon dioxide emissions,

0:38:16.719 --> 0:38:19.960
<v Speaker 1>that would be our most important action to take. We

0:38:20.040 --> 0:38:22.520
<v Speaker 1>can't just assume that we're going to come up with

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<v Speaker 1>a technological solution that will allow us to continue to

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<v Speaker 1>behave the way we've been behaving and magically erase the

0:38:31.960 --> 0:38:36.440
<v Speaker 1>consequences of those actions. That's just not a realistic outlook

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<v Speaker 1>at this point. Number one on the list from Chris

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<v Speaker 1>and Dave was Internet surveillance, which kind of ties back

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<v Speaker 1>into that Google problem I mentioned earlier, but it goes

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<v Speaker 1>well beyond that. So Internet surveillance comes in all sorts

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<v Speaker 1>of forms. Right the social media we use, when we

0:38:55.360 --> 0:38:58.200
<v Speaker 1>do our actions on there, all of that's getting tracked.

0:38:58.640 --> 0:39:01.400
<v Speaker 1>All of that is going into very tech boxes based

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<v Speaker 1>on our profiles, so that we are encountering the ads

0:39:05.800 --> 0:39:08.719
<v Speaker 1>that are closest tied to our behavior, so that we

0:39:08.760 --> 0:39:11.600
<v Speaker 1>have the most uh the most incentive to click on

0:39:11.640 --> 0:39:13.719
<v Speaker 1>those ads or to act on them in some way,

0:39:13.840 --> 0:39:17.440
<v Speaker 1>thus benefiting the company that makes the social platform as

0:39:17.480 --> 0:39:19.760
<v Speaker 1>well as the company that's doing the advertising, and whatever

0:39:19.800 --> 0:39:23.360
<v Speaker 1>company is ultimately in charge of the product or service

0:39:23.400 --> 0:39:26.960
<v Speaker 1>that is being advertised. So there's that there are companies

0:39:27.000 --> 0:39:31.359
<v Speaker 1>like Google that are taking this to extremes, tracking all

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<v Speaker 1>sorts of behaviors for all sorts of stuff, so that

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<v Speaker 1>whenever we're doing searches, we're also getting served up search

0:39:37.080 --> 0:39:40.880
<v Speaker 1>results that are catered to us more and more, which

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<v Speaker 1>in some ways is good, you know, you're getting stuff

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<v Speaker 1>that is more relevant to you, and in other ways

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<v Speaker 1>comes across as super creepy because it means that there's

0:39:49.680 --> 0:39:53.440
<v Speaker 1>this enormous corporation out there that might know you better

0:39:53.480 --> 0:39:56.920
<v Speaker 1>than you know yourself, and that's kind of worrisome. But

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<v Speaker 1>then you have other things like the n s A,

0:40:00.280 --> 0:40:04.239
<v Speaker 1>which a couple of years ago famously revealed that the

0:40:04.360 --> 0:40:07.840
<v Speaker 1>n s A was tapping into all sorts of different

0:40:07.880 --> 0:40:13.960
<v Speaker 1>communication tools two spy on on the communications between lots

0:40:13.960 --> 0:40:18.320
<v Speaker 1>of different people in an effort to to promote national security.

0:40:18.360 --> 0:40:22.000
<v Speaker 1>But you could argue it was also a huge violation

0:40:22.040 --> 0:40:25.959
<v Speaker 1>of people's expectation of privacy and that it also took

0:40:26.000 --> 0:40:31.760
<v Speaker 1>almost a presumed guilty approach and applied it to absolutely

0:40:31.840 --> 0:40:36.719
<v Speaker 1>everybody who uses these these forms of communication, from cellular

0:40:36.719 --> 0:40:41.399
<v Speaker 1>phones to website traffic, to all sources of stuff. Then

0:40:41.440 --> 0:40:46.600
<v Speaker 1>you have hackers, either state backed hackers who are are

0:40:46.600 --> 0:40:52.080
<v Speaker 1>working to spy on behalf of a government, or independent

0:40:52.160 --> 0:40:55.000
<v Speaker 1>hackers who are just trying to gather as much information

0:40:55.000 --> 0:40:58.120
<v Speaker 1>as possible to exploit it. Maybe that information is your

0:40:58.120 --> 0:41:01.759
<v Speaker 1>bank account, or maybe it's your social Security number, it

0:41:01.760 --> 0:41:04.319
<v Speaker 1>could be all sorts of stuff, But ultimately they're doing

0:41:04.320 --> 0:41:06.399
<v Speaker 1>it so they can make money and they have no

0:41:06.560 --> 0:41:09.600
<v Speaker 1>real concern about what happens to you and your information.

0:41:10.920 --> 0:41:15.680
<v Speaker 1>Uh information is valuable, whether it's for a government to

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<v Speaker 1>try and protect itself or the citizens that it represents. Ideally,

0:41:20.760 --> 0:41:22.439
<v Speaker 1>we would like to at least see a government try

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<v Speaker 1>to protect the people it represents. Maybe that's being naive, uh,

0:41:28.239 --> 0:41:31.359
<v Speaker 1>Or if it's a you know, a corporation that's doing

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<v Speaker 1>this in order to make a profit, or a hacker

0:41:33.960 --> 0:41:36.600
<v Speaker 1>that's doing this in order to make a profit in

0:41:36.600 --> 0:41:40.400
<v Speaker 1>an even more unethical way than the corporations are. Information

0:41:40.480 --> 0:41:43.440
<v Speaker 1>is valuable. It's also a good reminder of why you

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<v Speaker 1>should do stuff like use VPNs when you can, so

0:41:46.440 --> 0:41:50.879
<v Speaker 1>that you can protect your activities from prying eyes and

0:41:51.000 --> 0:41:54.760
<v Speaker 1>not have to worry quite so much about your every

0:41:54.800 --> 0:41:59.960
<v Speaker 1>move being spied upon. U don't use public WiFi, especially

0:42:00.040 --> 0:42:04.800
<v Speaker 1>to do anything sensitive. You know, be careful, be responsible

0:42:05.360 --> 0:42:10.840
<v Speaker 1>with your browsing activities so that you limit the ways

0:42:10.920 --> 0:42:13.600
<v Speaker 1>that you can be exploited. I'm not saying don't make

0:42:13.719 --> 0:42:16.759
<v Speaker 1>use of these various platforms social media. I'd be a

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<v Speaker 1>hypocrite if I did. I use them all the time.

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<v Speaker 1>Just know what you're getting into and be aware of

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<v Speaker 1>what could potentially happen. If you're comfortable with those consequences,

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<v Speaker 1>I say, you're all good. If you're not, then you

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<v Speaker 1>need to think about ways you can change your behavior,

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<v Speaker 1>whether it's using VPNs or backing off on using the

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<v Speaker 1>Internet as much, or whatever it may be, so that

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<v Speaker 1>you feel you're using technology to benefit you as opposed

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<v Speaker 1>to having other people receive a benefit because of you

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<v Speaker 1>don't be used. In other words, I hope you guys

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<v Speaker 1>enjoyed that episode from I will have a brand new

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<v Speaker 1>episode ready to go on Wednesday. If you are a

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<v Speaker 1>fan of horror games, I think you will enjoy it.

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<v Speaker 1>It's going to be sort of a uh an overview

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<v Speaker 1>of some famous scary games and maybe some that are

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<v Speaker 1>not so famous, but ones that I think people should

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<v Speaker 1>know about, So that is something to look forward to

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<v Speaker 1>on Wednesday. On Friday, we are going to have a

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<v Speaker 1>classic episode of the most classic variety. We're talking about

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<v Speaker 1>an old school tech Stuff episode and it does relate

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<v Speaker 1>back to the spooky theme of Halloween, and it's famous

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<v Speaker 1>for me getting a little head up. I got a

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<v Speaker 1>little I got a little agitated on that episode. Long

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<v Speaker 1>time listeners of tech stuff will recognize it, but it

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<v Speaker 1>is from like a decade ago, So that's something to

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<v Speaker 1>look forward to on Friday. As I mentioned in the

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<v Speaker 1>earlier part of this episode, I will have some pretty

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<v Speaker 1>big announcements about tech stuff leading up closer to the

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<v Speaker 1>new year. I'm really excited about it. And I'll have

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<v Speaker 1>that other podcast that will be launching soon that's also exciting.

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<v Speaker 1>And before I go, if you have not already subscribed

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<v Speaker 1>to it, I highly recommend you check out our podcast

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<v Speaker 1>Thirteen Days of Halloween. It is a phenomenal series that

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<v Speaker 1>was produced largely out of our office in Atlanta. The

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<v Speaker 1>people who have been working on it worked so hard

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<v Speaker 1>to create really immersive, effective horror stories. They are really

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<v Speaker 1>great works of art, I think, and uh, I really

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<v Speaker 1>hope that in the future I can get involved in

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<v Speaker 1>that particular type of work because I was blown away

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<v Speaker 1>and I I just it's the sort of thing that

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<v Speaker 1>when you hear it, you just want to be a

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<v Speaker 1>part of it because that's how interesting and innovative it is.

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<v Speaker 1>So if you have not already checked it out Thirteen

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<v Speaker 1>Days of Halloween, go listen to an episode or two.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh do it like you know, with headphones on, lights off,

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<v Speaker 1>quiet room if you can um and uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>make sure the light switch isn't too far away because

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<v Speaker 1>it does get spooky. If you have any suggestions for

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<v Speaker 1>future episodes of tech Stuff. I welcome you to let

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<v Speaker 1>me know. You can reach out on Twitter. That's the

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<v Speaker 1>best way. The handle for the show is text stuff

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