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Speaker 1: U A P Report. Well, the release of two reports.

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Speaker 1: read the other report right now. And while you're looking

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Speaker 1: for that, you might ask yourself, Hey, how can I

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Speaker 1: get involved? How can I become a U ethologist? This

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Speaker 1: actually talked with you ethologist in the past. What was

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Speaker 1: hope they. We can't get in trouble for this. When

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Speaker 1: so you could do this too. And didn't you guys

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Speaker 1: actually go to a move On conference? Yes, we did.

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Speaker 1: We definitely we discussed it in the past because we were,

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Speaker 1: this is This is the episode for you. It bust

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Speaker 1: unfortunately for now. From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies,

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Speaker 1: history is riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back

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Speaker 1: now or learn the stuff they don't want you to know.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, Matt,

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Speaker 1: you're back. I'm here. It's me and all hey, they

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Speaker 1: call me Ben. We are joined, of course with our

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Speaker 1: super producer Paul Decont, and we hope you join us

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Speaker 1: and welcoming back. Matt Frederick, you are here. You are you,

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Speaker 1: and that makes this stuff they don't want you to know. This.

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Speaker 1: This episode is meant to answer a question that we

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Speaker 1: stumbled upon in our earlier conversations with John go Forth.

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Speaker 1: Remember that Matt, we talked with UM John go Forth

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Speaker 1: about Tom DeLong and disclosure. Yeah, yeah, and I think

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Speaker 1: it did come up. How do you become an expert? Like?

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Speaker 1: What are the means to be an expert in these things?

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Speaker 1: I was superbommed to have missed that one. So I

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Speaker 1: am going to be learning some new stuff today. Excellent. Hey,

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Speaker 1: who knows we might end the show by becoming ufologists ourselves.

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Speaker 1: This question was posed to us by one of our coworkers,

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Speaker 1: Jason Cokes, So shout out to you, Jason, and thanks

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Speaker 1: for the recommendation. Do you think work? We'll pay for it?

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Speaker 1: That's uh, that's up to debate. Hey, do us a

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Speaker 1: you know what? Do both? They do both? So that's

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Speaker 1: that's today's question. How exactly does someone become a ufologist?

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Speaker 1: We hear about ufologists often, you'll see them in things

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Speaker 1: Mysteries and so on. But two explore how somebody goes

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Speaker 1: some courses available online. For instance, the International Metaphysical University

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Speaker 1: about the grading system. All you can get all the details.

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Speaker 1: All you have to do is visit ter metto dot com.

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Speaker 1: had the privilege. I really missed out. Is there more

426
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Speaker 1: than one possible? Is there a lineage like how there's

427
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Speaker 1: more than one big gruff. There must be, there must be,

428
00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:43,360
Speaker 1: But I mean, what's around the same time I've paid

429
00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:46,840
Speaker 1: it was, but it was the same one swamp gass. Well,

430
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:52,080
Speaker 1: instead of swamp gas, just say naturally occurring bioluminescence. All right,

431
00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:55,119
Speaker 1: I think we both know. I'm going to stick with

432
00:26:55,200 --> 00:27:00,600
Speaker 1: saying swamp gas in a bad accent. When you say

433
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:01,880
Speaker 1: it like that, it sounds like you got a touch

434
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:05,040
Speaker 1: of the swamp game. There we go. Is that our

435
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:10,440
Speaker 1: new euphemism for really bad farts and terrible flatilism flatialism?

436
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:13,520
Speaker 1: And this has been our childish aside for today's episode,

437
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:17,680
Speaker 1: served for it. But yeah, yes, thank you for getting

438
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:20,840
Speaker 1: this back on track. Yeah. So those things that, like

439
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:25,360
Speaker 1: you were saying, Matt, that would be the usual suspects, lights, weather, balloons,

440
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:34,160
Speaker 1: swamp gas. So this is weird though, because it means

441
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:36,520
Speaker 1: that five percent of these cases could not be explained,

442
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:40,160
Speaker 1: and then his real job, why he was employed there,

443
00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:44,159
Speaker 1: is to take that five and then go nothing to

444
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:48,600
Speaker 1: see here. Yeah, isn't that weird? His job was not

445
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:53,080
Speaker 1: to say, hey, look at these inexplicable things. His job

446
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:56,280
Speaker 1: was to downplay the importance of that to the public,

447
00:27:57,040 --> 00:28:00,960
Speaker 1: keep calm, carry on, God save the Queen, Ctera, etcetera.

448
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:04,560
Speaker 1: And the but not only to the media in the public,

449
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:09,480
Speaker 1: to the lawmakers themselves, to Parliament, don't worry about this.

450
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:14,000
Speaker 1: To what end though, you know, it depends on where

451
00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:16,520
Speaker 1: you're coming from. So if you believe that the government

452
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:20,320
Speaker 1: is actively suppressing knowledge of something, then it's his job

453
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:25,520
Speaker 1: to keep people sort of blissfully ignorant, right But like

454
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:28,320
Speaker 1: like Will Smith and Tommy Lee Jones and the Men

455
00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:32,760
Speaker 1: in Black. But if it's uh, if we're looking at

456
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:35,360
Speaker 1: it from a more skeptical standpoint, people would say it's

457
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:40,160
Speaker 1: his job to stop people from becoming alarmed unnecessarily. So

458
00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:43,880
Speaker 1: he's trying to quell panic. And he's also a first

459
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:48,120
Speaker 1: level gatekeeper for whatever other governmental organization is going to

460
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Speaker 1: actually look into that five percent. So he, in my mind,

461
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:55,000
Speaker 1: he doesn't even have to fully look into that five percent.

462
00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:57,400
Speaker 1: I mean, he's doing all the investigation, he's talking to witnesses,

463
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Speaker 1: he's doing all this. But if you get way down

464
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:02,040
Speaker 1: into it and truly trying to figure out what it

465
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:05,080
Speaker 1: is they're worth passing on to someone that can actually

466
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Speaker 1: do something about that's that's in my mind what Nick

467
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 1: Pope's like, the true reason that he's doing this. That

468
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:14,360
Speaker 1: seems spot on to me. Sense. Otherwise, why bother fielding

469
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 1: all these phone calls from these wackadoos that think they've seen,

470
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Speaker 1: you know, a spaceman, which I think, I think the

471
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:23,120
Speaker 1: four of us would be very good at that job. Absolutely.

472
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Speaker 1: And when I say wackadoos, I'm saying I'm sure many

473
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:29,280
Speaker 1: of them are legitimate sightings, are legitimate things and concerns,

474
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Speaker 1: what have you. But I'm talking about that percentage of

475
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:35,960
Speaker 1: people that are just talking about swamp gas, you know,

476
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 1: like out in the swamps. I got a message from

477
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Speaker 1: my cat, the Greenman at the end of the world,

478
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:43,000
Speaker 1: right exactly. You know, there's gonna be some of that.

479
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:45,360
Speaker 1: And you've got to give props to this guy because

480
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:49,120
Speaker 1: he he took it to the to the max. My friends,

481
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Speaker 1: He felt that it was his personal duty to like

482
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 1: look into everything regarding the history of UFO sightings from

483
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Speaker 1: you know, everything from the you know, like more of

484
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:03,719
Speaker 1: the folkloric are you know, pop culture kind of versions

485
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:08,040
Speaker 1: of stories to these kind of really over the top conspiracies. Um.

486
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:12,520
Speaker 1: And he had just an encyclopedic knowledge of this stuff, Sponge,

487
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:14,880
Speaker 1: It does sound like it would have been a fun job. Yeah,

488
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:19,520
Speaker 1: and he, as we said, his work with the Ministry

489
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Speaker 1: Defense at the UFO Desk ended in nineteen four. He

490
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Speaker 1: continued working for a while with the Ministry. He moved

491
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Speaker 1: to the US in two thousand and twelve and retired

492
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Speaker 1: from that line of work to become a full time

493
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Speaker 1: UFO expert, what people would call a noted ufologist, but

494
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Speaker 1: you see, he doesn't care for the term. He calls

495
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Speaker 1: himself a UFO investigator, not a ufologist. And he's a

496
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Speaker 1: little bit anomalous in his field right now, because we've

497
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Speaker 1: talked with people who are fairly prominent, you know, and

498
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Speaker 1: and considered experts in the field of UFO studies. We've

499
00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:03,800
Speaker 1: talked to them on this show, and he to some

500
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:08,720
Speaker 1: people stands out or as controversial because he came to

501
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:12,280
Speaker 1: this through a professional aspect, whereas again, a lot of

502
00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:17,360
Speaker 1: people were who became UFO panelists or commentators. They were

503
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 1: inspired by their own UFO sighting, or they were drawn

504
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:24,480
Speaker 1: to the topic due to a personal interest, and he

505
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:28,600
Speaker 1: has neither of those. And he Pope himself, notes that

506
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Speaker 1: some members of the community do not trust him. They

507
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Speaker 1: think he may still be employed by the government or

508
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Speaker 1: some organization to function as an agent of disinformation. He's

509
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Speaker 1: the Richard C. Doughty of the UK, the Richard C.

510
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:45,920
Speaker 1: Doughty of the UK. That's it remind us to Richard C.

511
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:49,920
Speaker 1: Dot is the guy, the mirage man, the guy who

512
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:54,440
Speaker 1: was sent out there to purposefully feed disinformation to people

513
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:58,320
Speaker 1: who consider themselves ufologists. And that's a real thing, folks,

514
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:03,360
Speaker 1: That actually did happen. So this is not entirely unfounded

515
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:08,200
Speaker 1: paranoia and paranoia runs high in this community and it's

516
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:12,480
Speaker 1: not an unusual accusation. You know. It also makes sense

517
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 1: because by his own admission, his professional task was less

518
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:20,880
Speaker 1: to publicize reports and more to downplay their importance. And

519
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 1: you know, it depends on where you fall. If we're

520
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:27,200
Speaker 1: being completely fair, you could say that he is either

521
00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:31,240
Speaker 1: suppressing the truth or you could say that he is

522
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:36,440
Speaker 1: preventing public hysteria. So it really depends on what what

523
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:40,480
Speaker 1: motivations you would ascribe to him. We're not ascribing motivations

524
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:43,520
Speaker 1: to him. Uh. Well, he's he seems on the up

525
00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 1: and up. He seems like he was just at least

526
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 1: at that time, doing what he was supposed to do

527
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:51,920
Speaker 1: as an employee. Yeah, you know, he makes a really

528
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:54,440
Speaker 1: really good point in some of the writing he's done

529
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Speaker 1: about these concepts of taking an online course to train

530
00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 1: yourself to be a upologist, because he he makes a

531
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 1: fantastic point that if you're that interested in something and

532
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:09,680
Speaker 1: you're already perhaps creating images in your mind of what

533
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:12,760
Speaker 1: the potentials could be for the things you're seeing or studying,

534
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:16,800
Speaker 1: you may already have drink, like, had too much of

535
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:19,080
Speaker 1: the kool aid yourself, and you're gonna see things that

536
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:22,600
Speaker 1: aren't really there because you you're going to have confirmation biases,

537
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:26,120
Speaker 1: bias problems, and all kinds of other issues in that regard,

538
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:30,320
Speaker 1: and that that does make sense. Also, that can go

539
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:34,440
Speaker 1: both ways, right, right, So someone can say, I mean

540
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:39,800
Speaker 1: the most some of the most irritating, irritating mistakes and

541
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:43,680
Speaker 1: critical thinking come from people who consider themselves skeptics. And

542
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:48,920
Speaker 1: I think that being a skeptic automatically means extraordinary things

543
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 1: cannot exist. Just shoot it down right, right, It's it's weird.

544
00:33:54,440 --> 00:34:00,320
Speaker 1: It's difficult to be objective and people people constantly think

545
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:04,600
Speaker 1: that objectivity is in the eye of the beholder. Objectivity

546
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:08,480
Speaker 1: is the process by which someone comes to agree with

547
00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:12,520
Speaker 1: what I believe, right, That's that's the mistake we make.

548
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:15,000
Speaker 1: But Pope is out there. As you said, Matt, he

549
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:18,239
Speaker 1: is an author. You can find his books online, you

550
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:21,640
Speaker 1: can see interviews with him, and he is one of

551
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:28,480
Speaker 1: many ufologists. There's there's one important point though about about

552
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:32,640
Speaker 1: Pope and ufologists in general, that our complaint department made

553
00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:35,680
Speaker 1: while he's getting coffee and we're getting ready to record

554
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:38,919
Speaker 1: talking about the Strickmeister. Yes, I complaint department Jonathan thought

555
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 1: Strickland at how stuff Works dot com, the quiz, the quister,

556
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:46,359
Speaker 1: that's the that's sort of an alter ego. But yeah, yeah,

557
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:49,120
Speaker 1: we still call on Jonathan Strickland the Quister. It's very confusing,

558
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:52,120
Speaker 1: it's very strange. You should have him on this show. Yeah,

559
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 1: when are you going to come on in Ridiculous History, Matt?

560
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:56,719
Speaker 1: When when do you want to go on the show?

561
00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:59,319
Speaker 1: That's not up to me. Guys, what do you want

562
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:01,239
Speaker 1: to talk about? Is it Nick Pope? Do we have

563
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:06,759
Speaker 1: to check with Nick? Don't know? I'm here, all right,

564
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:09,680
Speaker 1: all right, Well we'll tap you what We'll tap you

565
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:11,880
Speaker 1: for that in the very near future, because we're getting

566
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:15,560
Speaker 1: people requesting it pretty heavily at this point, and we

567
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:18,480
Speaker 1: have to we have to do it before you're on

568
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:21,640
Speaker 1: some more adventures. Yeah, as long as you make you

569
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:26,480
Speaker 1: let me appear as the what was it, the the

570
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:31,440
Speaker 1: Southern genie in the bottle or whatever? Will you do

571
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:34,359
Speaker 1: it in your mount Julip voice, Yeah, that's I think

572
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:38,320
Speaker 1: everything is predicated on that. Alright, done deal. So what

573
00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 1: exactly what great point did our uh did our complaint

574
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:45,600
Speaker 1: department bring up? We'll tell you after a word from

575
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:55,200
Speaker 1: our sponsor faded breath, let's do this alright, alright, yeah,

576
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:57,440
Speaker 1: that's right. Stuff. They don't want you to know. You

577
00:35:57,520 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 1: pay for the whole seat, but you only need the edge,

578
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:05,399
Speaker 1: i'd say, Scott Benjamin line. So what Jonathan pointed out,

579
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:09,560
Speaker 1: and he is one of the more of our colleagues

580
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 1: and cohort, he falls more on the skeptical side pretty clearly,

581
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:17,680
Speaker 1: and he said that he believes there's a difference between

582
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:22,320
Speaker 1: professional and credible, and we often conflate the two. So

583
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:27,759
Speaker 1: a professional uthologist doesn't necessarily have to be a credible uthologist.

584
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:31,399
Speaker 1: They're just someone who is paid to investigate these things.

585
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 1: And I thought I thought that was a point that

586
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:38,880
Speaker 1: we had to mention at least once in this show. Now,

587
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:43,799
Speaker 1: we're not We're not calling into question anybody's credibility at

588
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:46,440
Speaker 1: this point, but we are saying that just because someone

589
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:50,120
Speaker 1: is paid to do something does not mean they are

590
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:54,799
Speaker 1: automatically the best at it. Right. With that being said,

591
00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:59,920
Speaker 1: we would like to empower you. If you are listening

592
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:02,520
Speaker 1: now and you say, guys, thanks for giving me the

593
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:06,960
Speaker 1: lay of the land. I wanna I wanna do this

594
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:09,719
Speaker 1: UFO stuff. I want to be a ufologist. I don't

595
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:13,839
Speaker 1: have time to mess around with the online studies I've

596
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:18,200
Speaker 1: I've read some books, but I think the best way

597
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:21,759
Speaker 1: to learn about UFOs is on the job experience, just

598
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:24,520
Speaker 1: like Nick Pope. Well, we have some leads for you.

599
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:30,040
Speaker 1: The first one is are you a member of move On,

600
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:33,760
Speaker 1: the mutual UFO network already? If you are, you're probably

601
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:37,440
Speaker 1: paying around sixty dollars a year for membership there um.

602
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:40,480
Speaker 1: And what you can do is, once you become a

603
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:44,759
Speaker 1: mender member, you can talk to your state director, so

604
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:47,399
Speaker 1: you can send an email out to the person that's

605
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:50,080
Speaker 1: the director of move On near you. You get a

606
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:55,080
Speaker 1: copy of this movef On Field Investigators Manual. You study

607
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 1: the manual it's pretty big. Let's see. You can order

608
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:02,880
Speaker 1: one here. Um, where is it? Where I'm try I'm

609
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:04,920
Speaker 1: looking for it online? Here we go, Here we go.

610
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:08,720
Speaker 1: Hard copy Field Investigators Manual only cost you one hundred

611
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:12,759
Speaker 1: and five dollars US. So far we're at about a

612
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 1: hundred and seventy dollars UM, which is more. Well, no,

613
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:23,439
Speaker 1: it's less than that. First of course we were talking

614
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:29,239
Speaker 1: about pounds. Yeah, let's see. Oh no, the other one

615
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:32,160
Speaker 1: was like, what one hundred dollars something like that. So

616
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:35,480
Speaker 1: depending on where you land in there, then once you've

617
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:38,320
Speaker 1: done that and you've studied your manual really hard, you

618
00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:43,320
Speaker 1: can complete the Volunteer and Field Investigator Orientation program on

619
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:47,399
Speaker 1: the mouf On University uh. And then another thing. Another

620
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:50,000
Speaker 1: opportunity you can have here is to mentor with a

621
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:53,439
Speaker 1: licensed mouf On Field Investigator, which is kind of cool.

622
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:55,960
Speaker 1: That cost extra, I don't know, but you all you

623
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:58,480
Speaker 1: have to do is contact your state director and coordinate

624
00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:00,680
Speaker 1: with somebody. But you can just do it right along.

625
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:02,600
Speaker 1: I guess. I think they have meet ups where you

626
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 1: can kind of just go check out the lay of

627
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:06,719
Speaker 1: the land and have a little meet and greet. Yes,

628
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:09,359
Speaker 1: I'd be into that. Yeah, I would. I would love

629
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Speaker 1: for us to go there. Absolutely, is there a chapter

630
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:16,160
Speaker 1: here in Atlanta? Yes? Really, I don't know. I honestly

631
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:17,719
Speaker 1: don't know, guys, but we can look it up. I'm

632
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:20,439
Speaker 1: assuming there has to be something, at least regional. There's

633
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:23,440
Speaker 1: a Georgia meetup. Dot com says there's a move on

634
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 1: Georgia meet up that's happening on August four. Way, that's

635
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:34,960
Speaker 1: four days before my birthday. My mind exploding. Where it

636
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:42,880
Speaker 1: is It's in Tucker, that's totally in our neighborhood. We

637
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:47,960
Speaker 1: gotta go. Yep, that's happy. Let me check with Paul. Paul,

638
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 1: do you want to go with us? It's a Saturday

639
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:56,600
Speaker 1: August and my smile and a nod. Alright, the double

640
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:58,640
Speaker 1: way meet from Paul, Well, have you got deck intent?

641
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:01,319
Speaker 1: Then we you have to. We have to see if

642
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:02,680
Speaker 1: we can make it to this thing and will be

643
00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:06,440
Speaker 1: a great experience. So there we go. You can get

644
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:13,680
Speaker 1: firsthand experience even with a mentor investigating reports of UFOs

645
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:18,000
Speaker 1: under the auspice of the Mutual UFO Network or mouf on.

646
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 1: And again, it is not free. It is a rather

647
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:25,279
Speaker 1: significant investment. It is. But let's say you're not in

648
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:29,040
Speaker 1: the US, Well, you're still in luck. The British UFO

649
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:35,040
Speaker 1: Research Organization or like this, No Boufora offers a similar program.

650
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:40,399
Speaker 1: And we'd like to hear about other countries programs, because

651
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:46,120
Speaker 1: I imagine there are other European communities or institutions that

652
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:48,640
Speaker 1: have stuff like this. There's probably some stuff like this

653
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:51,880
Speaker 1: in Canada as well as in parts of South America,

654
00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 1: Central America, maybe some parts of Africa as well. We

655
00:40:57,160 --> 00:40:58,680
Speaker 1: want to know, We want to know what's going on

656
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:04,440
Speaker 1: in your neck of the Lobal woods. These licenses, by

657
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:09,120
Speaker 1: the way, are self determined by these groups. Yes, so

658
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:13,239
Speaker 1: it's not like, for instance, how you would get a

659
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:17,280
Speaker 1: pilot's license that allows you to fly in different countries.

660
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:19,759
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, it's up to that. It's

661
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 1: organization by organization. Last thing to say about that, move on,

662
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 1: meet up, Sorry to backtrack. It's free to the public.

663
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:32,920
Speaker 1: Oh nice, Um, I'm gonna let's blow this thing up.

664
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:34,680
Speaker 1: See how many people we can get there? Do you do?

665
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:35,840
Speaker 1: You want to do that or you just want to

666
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:38,320
Speaker 1: let it. If people are interested, they'll find it. And

667
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:41,120
Speaker 1: who knows when this episode will actually come out. That's true,

668
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:43,800
Speaker 1: we need to put it out before August we do

669
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:46,200
Speaker 1: all right, okay, yeah, let's blow it up, Matt. What's

670
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:52,440
Speaker 1: what are the deeds? It's at the let's see C. O. F. E.

671
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:57,319
Speaker 1: Er Cofer Library. Oh, there's an address. You only put

672
00:41:57,320 --> 00:41:59,040
Speaker 1: this address and put it out in the world. Man.

673
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:04,520
Speaker 1: It's at fifty two thirty four La Vista Road in Tucker, Georgia,

674
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:11,399
Speaker 1: the Tucker Reed H. Koper Library. There it is, right, Yeah,

675
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:14,399
Speaker 1: let's let's do it. Let's go all right, it's down

676
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:16,840
Speaker 1: it's down the street from us. I think I've actually

677
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:19,279
Speaker 1: been to this library, you know. I think I have

678
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:21,399
Speaker 1: to not during a move on. Don't want to give

679
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:24,240
Speaker 1: away how close and proximity I am to that area.

680
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:31,239
Speaker 1: But you've been there, You're familiar. This is cool. We're

681
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:36,040
Speaker 1: actually this spontaneously is happening, folks. We have organically decided

682
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:38,480
Speaker 1: that we're going to take a field trip and if

683
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:41,399
Speaker 1: you are in the area, we would love to see

684
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:44,520
Speaker 1: you there, and if not, you can experience it vicariously

685
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:46,960
Speaker 1: through us, because I'm sure we'll report back unless we

686
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:49,920
Speaker 1: totally flake on this. But we've we've we've codified it

687
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:52,880
Speaker 1: in podcast stone, so we have to we have to

688
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:55,440
Speaker 1: follow three now, it's basically written in our own blood,

689
00:42:56,040 --> 00:43:00,799
Speaker 1: this agreement. This is awesome. So so we are going

690
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:05,239
Speaker 1: to get We're gonna learn about move on firsthand. We're

691
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:08,120
Speaker 1: going to hear from people who are active in these

692
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:12,480
Speaker 1: investigations and hear about their journeys. There are, also, as

693
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:16,319
Speaker 1: several of our listeners already know, numerous groups and organizations

694
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:21,040
Speaker 1: studying various specific aspects of unidentified aerial phenomenon, and you

695
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:24,560
Speaker 1: can join these groups in person or online. They provide

696
00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:27,600
Speaker 1: literature and other resources that could be great of great

697
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:30,520
Speaker 1: value to you if you're a budding you ethologists. It's

698
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:33,640
Speaker 1: also no secret that there's a lot of misleading info

699
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 1: out there in this field, and so the burden of

700
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:40,520
Speaker 1: differentiating between legitimate research and pure entertainment is going to

701
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:44,080
Speaker 1: fall squarely on the shoulders of the individuals or groups

702
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:47,080
Speaker 1: researching this stuff. You know what I mean. It's it's

703
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:50,360
Speaker 1: the like you can read a book about algebra and

704
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 1: pretty much trust that you don't have to double check

705
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:55,879
Speaker 1: a lot of the text. It's not the case here,

706
00:43:56,239 --> 00:44:00,480
Speaker 1: you know, all right? Nowadays, many academic studies of UFO

707
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:05,960
Speaker 1: phenomenon could be classified as primarily sociological or anthropological studies

708
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:09,360
Speaker 1: not of the sightings themselves, but of the psychology of

709
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:12,200
Speaker 1: the witnesses. This is a trend we've noticed a lot,

710
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:16,600
Speaker 1: and it it happens in other categories of things that

711
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:20,000
Speaker 1: would be called fringe research or conspiracy theories. It's an

712
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:23,239
Speaker 1: immensely valuable undertaking. I'm not trying to ding it for that,

713
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:26,800
Speaker 1: but we can't conflate it with studies of sightings or

714
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:30,600
Speaker 1: reports themselves. It's a shift in the narrative, you know

715
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:34,239
Speaker 1: what I mean. And it's a it's kind of like

716
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:36,560
Speaker 1: one example, Tell me what you think about this. I

717
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:39,160
Speaker 1: don't know if this matches one to one, but I

718
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:44,879
Speaker 1: would say writing or studying solely the psychological or sociological

719
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:47,600
Speaker 1: trends of someone or some group of people who report

720
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:51,520
Speaker 1: seeing UFOs, it's a lot like how It's as if

721
00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:55,200
Speaker 1: you're writing about how people feel about a song or

722
00:44:55,239 --> 00:44:58,799
Speaker 1: its cultural impact and saying it's the same thing as

723
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:03,400
Speaker 1: writing about the structure of the song. It's not interesting. Yeah, No,

724
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:04,960
Speaker 1: I like that. That's kind of what I was saying

725
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:07,400
Speaker 1: at the top of the show to how and you.

726
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:10,520
Speaker 1: You you also said when you talk about the ufology

727
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:15,200
Speaker 1: as a field, you presuppose the discovery of actual UFOs,

728
00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:17,480
Speaker 1: which turns it into something else at that point, doesn't

729
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:22,399
Speaker 1: it more like uh I foo? You know. So there's

730
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:25,239
Speaker 1: a lot of leap of faith kind of activity going

731
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:28,200
Speaker 1: on with this whole field of study. But I like

732
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:32,759
Speaker 1: the more sociological version of it. That interests me more

733
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:35,799
Speaker 1: than trying to get the credentials to be a UFO hunter.

734
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:38,440
Speaker 1: I think, just with a little imagination and and go

735
00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:41,200
Speaker 1: get eternus and that journalistic spirit we talked about with

736
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:44,120
Speaker 1: our buddy Pope, I think you kind of armed and

737
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:47,440
Speaker 1: dangerous to go after the stuff yourself if it really

738
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:50,279
Speaker 1: intrigues you, you know, I would say, speaking of Pope

739
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:52,839
Speaker 1: some on his website right now, if you go check

740
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:55,000
Speaker 1: it out. I don't remember the r L, but just

741
00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:57,560
Speaker 1: search Nick Pope and it's right up there with the

742
00:45:57,600 --> 00:46:01,279
Speaker 1: WICKI and he discusses how he's take can after all

743
00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:03,880
Speaker 1: this time, taking more of a big picture view of

744
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:05,600
Speaker 1: a lot of this stuff and heat. That's exactly what

745
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:09,640
Speaker 1: he's looking at now, the sociological meaning of even even

746
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:12,720
Speaker 1: conspiracy theories, like he says that on his web page.

747
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:16,839
Speaker 1: Why why do we as a culture tend to believe

748
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:19,439
Speaker 1: in conspiracy theories? That's one of my favorite parts about

749
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:23,360
Speaker 1: our show is that very discussion, and that's what he

750
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:25,320
Speaker 1: wants to study now and he thinks there should be

751
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:28,920
Speaker 1: bigger funded studies on that and those those things are

752
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:31,680
Speaker 1: on the way. I would say we had you know,

753
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:35,360
Speaker 1: we've had people call us off air to do interviews

754
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:38,279
Speaker 1: about this kind of thing, you know, and you've been

755
00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:41,120
Speaker 1: doing something lately. We I think we're gonna end up

756
00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:43,520
Speaker 1: doing more. To be honest with you, I don't know.

757
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:46,400
Speaker 1: I don't know where it's gonna go for us. I

758
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:50,600
Speaker 1: hope that we I don't The Zoo Crew one was

759
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:53,560
Speaker 1: a lot of fun. Uh yeah, We're we might be

760
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:55,879
Speaker 1: back on there too. I'm trying to drag you guys

761
00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:57,839
Speaker 1: on there. I want to do a morning Zoo show.

762
00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:00,759
Speaker 1: It's it's a thing. Can I Can I hit the

763
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:03,600
Speaker 1: air the air horn button? They do, they're in charge

764
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:07,480
Speaker 1: of the sound. They're actually pretty clear about it too.

765
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:11,759
Speaker 1: This was a thing yeah man, so um yeah, So

766
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:14,200
Speaker 1: you know, we love that stuff. Any way we can

767
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:16,759
Speaker 1: communicate the message and we have. We have a great

768
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:20,399
Speaker 1: time in those things. Because to steal the old line

769
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:23,640
Speaker 1: from Fox News now more than ever, a lot of

770
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:30,040
Speaker 1: things that we're considered implausible are becoming increasingly provable and plausible. Right,

771
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:32,880
Speaker 1: because we jumped timelines and now we're in an alternate universe,

772
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:36,759
Speaker 1: We're in a we have become our own breakaway society.

773
00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:40,120
Speaker 1: Is that what they bring it back? Right? Okay, So,

774
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:45,200
Speaker 1: like any serious academic, a true UFO researcher is not

775
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:49,560
Speaker 1: setting out with a predetermined conclusion. Obviously, this means a

776
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:53,319
Speaker 1: good investigator is not sitting down and saying, how can

777
00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:57,520
Speaker 1: I prove this craft was made by previously unacknowledged extraterrestrial civilization?

778
00:47:58,040 --> 00:48:00,880
Speaker 1: But just as importantly, it also means that person is

779
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:04,000
Speaker 1: not sitting down and saying, how can I disprove that

780
00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:07,279
Speaker 1: this is unusual? You know what I mean? What they're

781
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:10,719
Speaker 1: doing is they're doing exactly what Nick Pope did, which

782
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:13,839
Speaker 1: is getting all the data, sponging up everything, and then

783
00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:18,960
Speaker 1: following it to approvable conclusion. So it's no surprise that

784
00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:22,920
Speaker 1: most UFO investigators have found numerous mundane explanations for sightings.

785
00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:25,239
Speaker 1: And that's a great thing. I mean, I know it

786
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:27,719
Speaker 1: sounds like a party pooper thing to say, but it's

787
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:32,560
Speaker 1: it's fantastic because the stuff that we can prove gives

788
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:37,319
Speaker 1: us more information about the inexplicable, the real mysterious stuff

789
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:40,799
Speaker 1: that five percent, you know. I mean, even Project Blue

790
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:44,400
Speaker 1: Book couldn't explain everything, and they threw a ton of

791
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:49,120
Speaker 1: money at it. I gotta say, guys, there have been

792
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:51,880
Speaker 1: humans that have been fascinated by looking up in the

793
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:56,000
Speaker 1: sky and seeing strange things for a long time. Now,

794
00:48:56,280 --> 00:49:00,560
Speaker 1: let's say a long time. We still haven't been able

795
00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:04,400
Speaker 1: to prove anything anywhere, because if we have, this discussion

796
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:06,640
Speaker 1: wouldn't even be happening right now. Would be talking about

797
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:11,920
Speaker 1: the mid Glorians and the from whatever far away galaxy,

798
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:16,400
Speaker 1: um the species that we uncovered, or the ship that

799
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:19,759
Speaker 1: landed that one time that wasn't at Roswell, or wasn't

800
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:23,319
Speaker 1: the Randalls from Forrest incident. There was a fantastic piece

801
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:25,080
Speaker 1: on This American Life that I heard the other day

802
00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:28,319
Speaker 1: where Ira Glass was interviewing one of his producers whose

803
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:30,520
Speaker 1: name now escapes me, but he has a degree in

804
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:33,759
Speaker 1: astrophysics and that was his first kind of career and

805
00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:35,880
Speaker 1: then he became a producer and a journalist for This

806
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:39,760
Speaker 1: American Life, and he was talking about how he couldn't

807
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:44,480
Speaker 1: help but be bummed out existentially at the idea that

808
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:48,520
Speaker 1: maybe there is no other life. And he was trying

809
00:49:48,560 --> 00:49:52,040
Speaker 1: to explain to Ira Glass that from his scientific background,

810
00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:55,480
Speaker 1: with through his filter, through his understanding of you know, astrophysics,

811
00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:57,840
Speaker 1: how this was a really big deal to him, and

812
00:49:58,040 --> 00:49:59,960
Speaker 1: Ira Glass kind of couldn't understand. He thought it was

813
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:03,360
Speaker 1: sort of silly thing to be quote unquote bummed out about. Um, so,

814
00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:05,920
Speaker 1: what is that called the Fermi paradox? The idea that

815
00:50:06,200 --> 00:50:09,520
Speaker 1: if it was there, somebody would have found something by now,

816
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:14,640
Speaker 1: you know. And then there's also a number that is generated.

817
00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:16,680
Speaker 1: I believe that is the Drake equation, that is, the

818
00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:20,360
Speaker 1: likelihood of extraterrestrials is existing. And they calculated it on

819
00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:22,719
Speaker 1: the show, and it was something like point zero zero

820
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:25,799
Speaker 1: zero zero zero zero zero nine one, so basically zero.

821
00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:29,000
Speaker 1: But it was just interesting that life exists or that

822
00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:32,360
Speaker 1: we will encounter that life. I can't quite remember the

823
00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:35,280
Speaker 1: nature of the equation, but that was where it stands

824
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:39,680
Speaker 1: right now. Apparently based on the scientific research and material

825
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:42,640
Speaker 1: that's out there, that number changes, but apparently it's very

826
00:50:42,719 --> 00:50:44,640
Speaker 1: very close to zero right now. It's just I would

827
00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:47,160
Speaker 1: take I would take issue with those people because I

828
00:50:47,239 --> 00:50:50,399
Speaker 1: think that next to zero number is probably that Earth

829
00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:56,319
Speaker 1: would be visited or that Earth will visit some other civilization. Yeah, yeah,

830
00:50:57,000 --> 00:51:00,200
Speaker 1: that life exists. I'm pretty sure. That's almost a certain

831
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:01,880
Speaker 1: Oh that came up to and in the in the

832
00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:04,200
Speaker 1: piece where it was like, would you be cool if

833
00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:06,840
Speaker 1: it was just like maybe an amiba, Like does it

834
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:10,680
Speaker 1: have to be a sentient creature that you can communicate with?

835
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:12,719
Speaker 1: Like where do you draw the line of this like

836
00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:16,759
Speaker 1: existential bummer kind of thing? Right, So that's a big

837
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:20,200
Speaker 1: question here too, And it's interesting. It's all the time

838
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:23,879
Speaker 1: scale problem, buddy. Yeah, I mean, it's certain that there

839
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:26,120
Speaker 1: is some form of life somewhere out in the universe,

840
00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:28,560
Speaker 1: just because of the room is too big for their

841
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:31,480
Speaker 1: not to be. But because the room is so big,

842
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:34,919
Speaker 1: this room being the universe, uh, there's virtually no chance

843
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:37,879
Speaker 1: that we will ever ever run into him. I love

844
00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:43,360
Speaker 1: I love the idea of humanity stumbling upon some ancient

845
00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:47,000
Speaker 1: relic and it's very sad and bitter sweet, but it's

846
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Speaker 1: still really important. Like, you know, what if someone finally

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Speaker 1: lands on Mars and then they find like the equivalent

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Speaker 1: of alien graffiti zorlac was here or whatever. That's first off,

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Speaker 1: that's the most important thing that ever happened automatically in

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Speaker 1: human history. And secondly it's one of the loneliest things.

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Speaker 1: What happened is oor lock, Dude, he made it to

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Speaker 1: Earth with that one ship full of d N d

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Speaker 1: N A and then seated the whole planet with it

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Speaker 1: and seeing alien Covenant or whatever it was Prometheus. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So if in conclusion for today's episode, thanks for coming

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Speaker 1: along with us on this ride. If you want to

857
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Speaker 1: become a ufologist, one of your first and most significant

858
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Speaker 1: steps is going to be determining an area of focus.

859
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Speaker 1: Do you want to concentrate on a specific event like

860
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Speaker 1: that aerial school sighting, and or do you want to

861
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Speaker 1: focus on a type or genre of events. Do you

862
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Speaker 1: prefer to focus on a related trend, such as the

863
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Speaker 1: psychology of witnesses, even though this would not in itself

864
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Speaker 1: be UFO research so much as sociological research. And then,

865
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Speaker 1: after determining that you want to read widely, we found

866
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Speaker 1: a great starting point for anybody who's looking for a

867
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:11,320
Speaker 1: good bibliography on serious UFO research. It's called UFO Literature

868
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Speaker 1: for the Serious Upologist. It's by George M. Eberhardt, and

869
00:53:16,680 --> 00:53:19,040
Speaker 1: it lists all kinds of different books and articles on

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Speaker 1: this particular subject and will help you get started. You

871
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Speaker 1: can also there are a couple places online that you

872
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Speaker 1: can find, but this is a really we would recommend

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Speaker 1: this place. Yeah, it's uh, it was, I think it's

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Speaker 1: I want to say it's from which Will, which means

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Speaker 1: it's gonna be a little bit dated, but it has

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Speaker 1: some has some solid some solid gold classic hits. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Basically a bibliography that's gonna get you on your feet. Yeah.

878
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Speaker 1: And you also want to join organizations and groups with

879
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Speaker 1: similar focus areas like the meet up Matt just found

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Speaker 1: for us on air move on only seventy dollars a year, Yeah,

881
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Speaker 1: attend conferences, correspond with fellow researchers, become a part of

882
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Speaker 1: the community. And while the online courses we found do

883
00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:06,320
Speaker 1: still exist, they're not the only operations around. For example,

884
00:54:06,640 --> 00:54:11,000
Speaker 1: this is more alien life than UFO related. But for example,

885
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Speaker 1: Harvard has a free online course called super Earths and

886
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Speaker 1: Life that combines multiple disciplines to examine the possibility of

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Speaker 1: life on other planets. But let's send on this note,

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Speaker 1: we would like to hear from you. Do you consider

889
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Speaker 1: yourself a ufologist? What sort of studies have you found

890
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Speaker 1: to be helpful what are some tips or tricks you

891
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Speaker 1: might have for your fellow listeners who are considering pursuing

892
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Speaker 1: this research. That's really great. Please please write in let

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