1 00:00:02,040 --> 00:00:07,120 Speaker 1: Smith fires over the middle, great grand By Metcalf out 2 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:09,399 Speaker 1: in front, and he will go all the way for 3 00:00:09,480 --> 00:00:17,720 Speaker 1: a touchdown seventy three yards to the left. Look short 4 00:00:17,840 --> 00:00:22,960 Speaker 1: Lamb shoulder shake throws. That's gonna be caught by Fergusson. Touchdown. 5 00:00:25,320 --> 00:00:29,479 Speaker 1: Locket comes to the slot. Here comes Partiinge and he 6 00:00:29,600 --> 00:00:33,800 Speaker 1: forces the patch incomplete and that will wrap it up. 7 00:00:37,800 --> 00:00:42,520 Speaker 2: That will wrap up a forty one to thirty five 8 00:00:42,720 --> 00:00:47,559 Speaker 2: Cowboys victory on Thursday Night football. Maybe you couldn't tell 9 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:49,360 Speaker 2: it from Al's voice there, but we got the best 10 00:00:49,400 --> 00:00:52,400 Speaker 2: Thursday night game of the year, and we got there. Ever, 11 00:00:53,040 --> 00:00:55,160 Speaker 2: maybe ever, who knows I'd have to go through it. 12 00:00:55,840 --> 00:00:58,480 Speaker 2: We got the perfect guest for it too. It's Steven 13 00:00:58,560 --> 00:01:03,720 Speaker 2: Ruiz of the who's been doing yeoman's work all around 14 00:01:03,720 --> 00:01:06,920 Speaker 2: the podcast land. It's Stephen Ruiz Week. And what better 15 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:09,960 Speaker 2: game to have him on for than the Geno and 16 00:01:10,120 --> 00:01:13,800 Speaker 2: dak Our Gods among Us showcase. Thank you, Steven. 17 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:17,240 Speaker 3: I texted you right after that Geno touchdown to open 18 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:19,560 Speaker 3: the game. He knew I was coming on today. He's 19 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:20,480 Speaker 3: gonna give us a show. 20 00:01:20,920 --> 00:01:24,039 Speaker 2: But yeah, the last time you came on was the 21 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:28,040 Speaker 2: you know he don't write back game for Gino. So 22 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:31,399 Speaker 2: it's been too long and this was a great Geno game, 23 00:01:31,720 --> 00:01:34,200 Speaker 2: but it does feel a little beside the point. To 24 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:39,560 Speaker 2: start with Gino, the Cowboys put up forty one points 25 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:42,800 Speaker 2: in a shootout in a game that there were no punts. 26 00:01:43,440 --> 00:01:47,400 Speaker 2: According to Scott Hansen's researcher at red zone and whom 27 00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:49,840 Speaker 2: I had to doubt his researcher at red zone, it's 28 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:52,320 Speaker 2: only the fourth game in the history of the NFL 29 00:01:52,400 --> 00:01:55,760 Speaker 2: to have no points five if you include the Colts 30 00:01:56,440 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 2: Chiefs Peyton Manning versus Dick for Meal and Trent Green 31 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:02,560 Speaker 2: show down in two thousand and four. That was like 32 00:02:02,600 --> 00:02:06,320 Speaker 2: my first season covering the league that was exciting. This 33 00:02:06,480 --> 00:02:10,399 Speaker 2: was just a preposterously great offensive performance by both quarterbacks, 34 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:14,080 Speaker 2: both teams. But to me, we start with just like 35 00:02:14,160 --> 00:02:17,280 Speaker 2: the majesty, I would guess of Dak Prescott right now 36 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:21,720 Speaker 2: that he just has an answer for everything opposing defense, 37 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:24,000 Speaker 2: especially the Sea Hawks defense, was trying to do. 38 00:02:24,760 --> 00:02:27,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought Seattle played well defensively. There was a 39 00:02:27,919 --> 00:02:28,440 Speaker 3: lot of talk. 40 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:30,760 Speaker 2: About they didn't get a stop. 41 00:02:31,880 --> 00:02:35,480 Speaker 3: I mean, considering that they were putting him under pressure 42 00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:37,160 Speaker 3: and now he was making tight window throws. I really 43 00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:39,240 Speaker 3: think there's an alternate universe where you put two other 44 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:41,639 Speaker 3: quarterbacks into this game and they have to handle that 45 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:43,720 Speaker 3: pressure that both quarterbacks had to deal with all day, 46 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:46,720 Speaker 3: and it looks horrible, and we don't get anywhere close 47 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:48,960 Speaker 3: to thirty five to thirty one or whatever the final 48 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:51,840 Speaker 3: score ended up being. That was I thought the two 49 00:02:51,919 --> 00:02:54,080 Speaker 3: quarterbacks were the story of the game. And do you 50 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:57,160 Speaker 3: watch do you watch on the Prime vision that they did? 51 00:02:57,919 --> 00:03:00,520 Speaker 2: I do enjoy that. Again, I thought schwartztein action in 52 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:01,799 Speaker 2: my life right right. 53 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:04,639 Speaker 3: I love that. It was just a magical performance. From 54 00:03:04,639 --> 00:03:07,760 Speaker 3: that view too, It really allowed you to appreciate what 55 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:08,640 Speaker 3: these guys were doing. 56 00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:12,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, early on, you know, I'm thinking, man, these Cowboys 57 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:16,000 Speaker 2: receivers are open. As the game we're on, I'm with you, 58 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:20,200 Speaker 2: the pressure built up, the windows got a little tighter. 59 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:23,720 Speaker 2: But Dack specifically, and I misspoke by saying they didn't 60 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:26,280 Speaker 2: get a single stop the Seahawks defense. There was one 61 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:30,040 Speaker 2: stop all night by the Seahawks defense, and that was 62 00:03:30,080 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 2: in I'm counting it now nine drives, not counting the 63 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:36,960 Speaker 2: Neil down drives. And that was just when Ceedee Lamb 64 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:39,920 Speaker 2: dropped the ball a wide open just you know, short 65 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:43,680 Speaker 2: pass on fourth down, otherwise there literally would not have 66 00:03:43,720 --> 00:03:46,960 Speaker 2: been a drive that the Cowboys did not score on. 67 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:49,120 Speaker 2: And the thing that impresses me is he just he 68 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:53,480 Speaker 2: just has answers for everything. Like I think of actually 69 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:56,840 Speaker 2: a fourth and one situation where he checked out of 70 00:03:56,840 --> 00:03:59,840 Speaker 2: the play two different times where they were clearly gotta 71 00:04:00,200 --> 00:04:02,320 Speaker 2: to stop the sneak up the middle. Then I don't 72 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 2: know what he saw the second time, but he checked 73 00:04:04,160 --> 00:04:06,280 Speaker 2: it again, and he checked it, you know, to the 74 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:08,720 Speaker 2: perfect play a run to the outside, and they get it. 75 00:04:08,760 --> 00:04:10,880 Speaker 2: So even on plays where he's not throwing the ball, 76 00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:14,160 Speaker 2: he's just kind of seeing everything you're doing, and he's 77 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:17,719 Speaker 2: making all the right decisions and he's not missing any throws. 78 00:04:17,760 --> 00:04:19,720 Speaker 2: I mean, he was just on the money with it 79 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:21,320 Speaker 2: with just about every throw tonight. 80 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:24,080 Speaker 3: And then I think he's adding on top of that, 81 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:28,560 Speaker 3: like the old school Dack creation stuff. Out of structure. 82 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:31,480 Speaker 3: He is the best quarterback in the league statistically out 83 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:34,520 Speaker 3: of structure, Not Josh Allen, not Patrick Maholmes, not Lebar Jackson, 84 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:36,760 Speaker 3: none of these guys. Dak Prescott, what. 85 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:38,679 Speaker 2: Do you mean like out of the pocket or plus 86 00:04:38,680 --> 00:04:40,599 Speaker 2: two and a half seconds, how do they measure that out. 87 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:43,640 Speaker 3: Of the pocket and PFF. According to PFF, when the 88 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:46,280 Speaker 3: defense the pass russ forces the quarterback to move off 89 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:48,000 Speaker 3: of his spot, so it's not a straight dropback. He 90 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:50,920 Speaker 3: is the best in the NFL by PFF grade. He's 91 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:53,680 Speaker 3: got like a low nineties grade. The next highest guys 92 00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:54,599 Speaker 3: like in the seventies. 93 00:04:56,240 --> 00:04:59,799 Speaker 2: It is ridiculous. And I do think his season changed 94 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:05,720 Speaker 2: on that Sunday night game against the Chargers where he 95 00:05:05,920 --> 00:05:08,760 Speaker 2: ran for that touchdown, and I think he ran the 96 00:05:08,760 --> 00:05:12,000 Speaker 2: play before on a play that actually he normally wouldn't 97 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:14,159 Speaker 2: of this year, he scrambled, he came up just short 98 00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:16,760 Speaker 2: on like a third and nine or something to set 99 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:18,840 Speaker 2: up a fourth and one, and he put his head 100 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:20,680 Speaker 2: down and I was like, ooh, there's Dak running again. 101 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:22,719 Speaker 2: That's what we always want. And I swear since then 102 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:25,760 Speaker 2: the rushing yards aren't crazy like tonight. It's twenty three. 103 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:29,440 Speaker 2: But there's four plays where he helps himself with his 104 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:33,320 Speaker 2: legs running, which is just a really important four plays. 105 00:05:33,760 --> 00:05:36,840 Speaker 2: And then, as you say, also just making great decisions 106 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:39,880 Speaker 2: outside the pocket, which he did, you know, on a 107 00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:42,520 Speaker 2: number of throws tonight. It was just like there, unless 108 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:44,680 Speaker 2: you have just an elite pass rush and the Seahawks 109 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:47,520 Speaker 2: just don't. It's hard to think of how you're gonna 110 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:50,640 Speaker 2: get this guy down, and it's tough against this Cowboys 111 00:05:50,640 --> 00:05:52,200 Speaker 2: offensive line, which is playing really well. 112 00:05:52,480 --> 00:05:55,479 Speaker 3: That's why I would say, like, I thought the defense 113 00:05:55,520 --> 00:05:58,360 Speaker 3: didn't play too badly, and I didn't think the defensive 114 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:00,400 Speaker 3: game plan was too bad because I thought the way 115 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:02,640 Speaker 3: they got to Dak Prescott was blitzing. There was a 116 00:06:02,640 --> 00:06:05,799 Speaker 3: lot of like corner pressures, a lot of like zone pressures, 117 00:06:05,880 --> 00:06:10,760 Speaker 3: and I thought Seattle's approached the game. They're thinking going 118 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:12,400 Speaker 3: into the game was we're not going to get to 119 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:14,480 Speaker 3: Dak unless we play like a reckless style and that's 120 00:06:14,480 --> 00:06:16,960 Speaker 3: our only chance of being in this game. It didn't 121 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:19,120 Speaker 3: work out, but I think it makes sense as a 122 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:21,480 Speaker 3: strategy going into it. And I think if they would 123 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:23,960 Speaker 3: have just rushed four and dropped back seven, Dak would 124 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:24,719 Speaker 3: have picked them apart. 125 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:27,000 Speaker 2: I mean, we're both geno fans, and because of that, 126 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:30,120 Speaker 2: I've become a quasi Seahawks fan. Maybe you haven't gone 127 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:33,559 Speaker 2: that far, and so the defense was frustrating me. Yes, 128 00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:36,360 Speaker 2: they're setting a lot of blitzes, but they can never 129 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:39,080 Speaker 2: finish them. They're just bouncing off of them. There's that 130 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:43,920 Speaker 2: play Darryl Taylor, who's that like a safety, I mean, 131 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:46,360 Speaker 2: he's a defensive end, has him in a bear hug 132 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:48,600 Speaker 2: and I don't know what happened the play, Dak just 133 00:06:48,640 --> 00:06:51,159 Speaker 2: like shrugs him off and that would have been like 134 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:53,719 Speaker 2: there were so many plays like that. Adams had another 135 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:56,240 Speaker 2: one whereas like if they could just bring him to 136 00:06:56,320 --> 00:07:00,200 Speaker 2: the ground or bring some of the receivers that that 137 00:07:00,279 --> 00:07:02,400 Speaker 2: caught the ball behind the line of scrimmae occasionally to 138 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:04,440 Speaker 2: the ground, It's like they would have them in big time, 139 00:07:04,480 --> 00:07:07,760 Speaker 2: negative yardage situations and they just couldn't do it. And 140 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:11,760 Speaker 2: so again, once that Chargers game happened, I was like, Wow, 141 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:14,160 Speaker 2: he played just about perfect game that game, and then 142 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:16,520 Speaker 2: the next week he's like perfect that week and people 143 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:18,200 Speaker 2: weren't really picking up on it yet because they were 144 00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:20,600 Speaker 2: playing lesser teams and the record wasn't as good then. 145 00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:23,600 Speaker 2: But he's he's almost been throwing like a perfect game 146 00:07:24,200 --> 00:07:27,880 Speaker 2: every week since Week six. It's great. He at this 147 00:07:27,880 --> 00:07:29,680 Speaker 2: point is I think gotta come out of this week. 148 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:32,200 Speaker 2: You know, one of, if not the MVP front runners 149 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:34,080 Speaker 2: are just crazy because he was like plus three thousand 150 00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:35,680 Speaker 2: three weeks ago. 151 00:07:35,880 --> 00:07:38,720 Speaker 3: And it's high degree of difficulty. It's not like he's 152 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:40,480 Speaker 3: like Dinking and Duncan out there. He's throwing like these 153 00:07:40,520 --> 00:07:44,440 Speaker 3: covered seam balls, these tight window passes. He's throwing on 154 00:07:44,480 --> 00:07:47,080 Speaker 3: the run. He's throwing out of structure. He's throwing with 155 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:50,280 Speaker 3: guys hanging off of him, like we saw tonight. He's 156 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:52,360 Speaker 3: up to his game another level, and I think he's 157 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:55,040 Speaker 3: finally starting to get credit for stuff he already did well, 158 00:07:55,040 --> 00:07:56,800 Speaker 3: Like he's finally starting to get credit for like the 159 00:07:56,840 --> 00:07:59,160 Speaker 3: pre snap stuff and being that brain before the snap, 160 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:02,240 Speaker 3: like you heard Kirk Herbstreet and I kind of compare 161 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:05,920 Speaker 3: him to Peyton Manning in the presnat phase, and I 162 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:07,600 Speaker 3: think that's app and I think it's something he never 163 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:09,880 Speaker 3: got credit for. And one of the reasons I think 164 00:08:09,880 --> 00:08:12,240 Speaker 3: he's so polarizing as a player, even though he's been 165 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:15,680 Speaker 3: this like steadfast winner and guy who produces at a 166 00:08:15,760 --> 00:08:18,680 Speaker 3: high level since he's entered the league beyond being a 167 00:08:18,760 --> 00:08:21,520 Speaker 3: Dallas Cowboys quarterback and everything that comes with that, is 168 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:25,400 Speaker 3: that it's kind of hard to appreciate the things he's 169 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:27,960 Speaker 3: really good at because they're so subtle, especially if you're 170 00:08:27,960 --> 00:08:29,760 Speaker 3: not watching week to week and you're not watching like 171 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:32,520 Speaker 3: the film and you're you don't really like understand what's 172 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:35,560 Speaker 3: going on pre snap. I just think like, if we 173 00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:38,120 Speaker 3: gave him that credit, I don't think we would be 174 00:08:38,120 --> 00:08:40,400 Speaker 3: having these debates about Dak Prescott every offseason. 175 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:42,160 Speaker 2: I've been trying to I've been trying to give him 176 00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:44,360 Speaker 2: that credit. I brought up the Manning you know that 177 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:48,520 Speaker 2: he I don't think he's Manning or Brady, but as 178 00:08:48,559 --> 00:08:51,920 Speaker 2: that generation was still playing but aging now, I was like, well, 179 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:54,120 Speaker 2: he's the he's the guy that's of the young generation 180 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:56,520 Speaker 2: that's like the most like that, Like he's the he's 181 00:08:56,559 --> 00:09:00,960 Speaker 2: the quarterbacks, quarterback, He's he's how you know, Greg Cosell 182 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:03,360 Speaker 2: wants the game to be played inside the pocket and 183 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:05,560 Speaker 2: figuring it out out mentally and it's all coming together 184 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:08,480 Speaker 2: and he's he's at an age where it's all perfect. 185 00:09:08,520 --> 00:09:12,160 Speaker 2: He's got an unreal number one receiver, and I think 186 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:13,719 Speaker 2: this game is going to be important for him, just 187 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:18,000 Speaker 2: in the way, not important for him in terms of 188 00:09:18,040 --> 00:09:20,760 Speaker 2: what you're saying. He's playing great, nothing needs to change, 189 00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:24,640 Speaker 2: but MVP race and then their playoff race, and even 190 00:09:24,679 --> 00:09:27,640 Speaker 2: as a team, they were really tested in this game 191 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:30,480 Speaker 2: by a good opponent. I know Seattle was struggling coming 192 00:09:30,520 --> 00:09:33,800 Speaker 2: into this game, but their oftense certainly wasn't struggling tonight. 193 00:09:33,880 --> 00:09:36,040 Speaker 2: Like I don't know if a team's gonna beat up 194 00:09:36,040 --> 00:09:39,200 Speaker 2: this Cowboys defense any better than the Seahawks did tonight, 195 00:09:39,240 --> 00:09:42,680 Speaker 2: and so Dak was really pushed in this game. The 196 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:46,120 Speaker 2: score was twenty eight to twenty coming out of halftime. 197 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:50,360 Speaker 2: Once Gino got the kickoff and to start the second half, 198 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:53,360 Speaker 2: went right down the field to go twenty eight to twenty. 199 00:09:54,080 --> 00:09:57,320 Speaker 2: Cowboys get it closer, and then the Seahawks score again 200 00:09:58,080 --> 00:10:01,840 Speaker 2: to DK start the fourth quarter, and so it's thirty 201 00:10:01,840 --> 00:10:04,120 Speaker 2: five to twenty seven. He has to make a fourth 202 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:07,520 Speaker 2: quarter comeback. They have the field goal drive, they have 203 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:11,680 Speaker 2: another touchdown drive there by Dak, and then they tack 204 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:13,680 Speaker 2: on the field goal late. So it's just kind of 205 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:16,360 Speaker 2: like those situations that I know, like they shouldn't need 206 00:10:16,400 --> 00:10:19,000 Speaker 2: to pass these tests, but they do need to because 207 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:21,320 Speaker 2: they need to win some close games. It's not just 208 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:24,680 Speaker 2: gonna be blowouts in the playoffs. And they found a 209 00:10:24,679 --> 00:10:27,240 Speaker 2: way to do that, even though I have some issues 210 00:10:27,280 --> 00:10:30,280 Speaker 2: with Mike McCarthy's game management, and we can get to 211 00:10:30,280 --> 00:10:32,440 Speaker 2: that in a minute. It sort of doesn't matter when 212 00:10:32,440 --> 00:10:34,760 Speaker 2: you only face I think they only had four third 213 00:10:34,800 --> 00:10:37,360 Speaker 2: downs in the second half. I mean, that's the thing. 214 00:10:37,400 --> 00:10:41,440 Speaker 2: These two teams put up the score with very few possessions. 215 00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:44,240 Speaker 2: You know. It wasn't like a thirteen to twelve possession 216 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:46,679 Speaker 2: game where they put up these numbers, like they had 217 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:49,839 Speaker 2: almost no margin for error. And he hit it and 218 00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:52,600 Speaker 2: he could have actually had more. There was that CD 219 00:10:52,679 --> 00:10:54,640 Speaker 2: drop on fourth down, and then one of the best 220 00:10:54,640 --> 00:10:58,280 Speaker 2: throws he had the night, which was was the field 221 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:00,480 Speaker 2: goal drive in the fourth quarter that came up short, 222 00:11:00,720 --> 00:11:02,920 Speaker 2: which looked like a crazy pass. He put it between 223 00:11:02,920 --> 00:11:05,480 Speaker 2: three people, but it got to CD and he actually 224 00:11:05,480 --> 00:11:07,319 Speaker 2: didn't bring it down in that scenario. 225 00:11:07,640 --> 00:11:09,360 Speaker 3: That's why I was like watching the end of the 226 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:11,600 Speaker 3: game and I was like, no matter how this ends, 227 00:11:12,040 --> 00:11:13,960 Speaker 3: it's gonna be very disappointing for one of these teams. 228 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:16,040 Speaker 3: It's gonna be very disappointing for us for having to 229 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:18,440 Speaker 3: like come up with losers in this game. Because I 230 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:20,319 Speaker 3: just thought it was played at such a high level 231 00:11:20,920 --> 00:11:23,000 Speaker 3: that even if Dallas had lost, I don't think I 232 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:24,520 Speaker 3: would have come on here and been like, oh, they're 233 00:11:24,520 --> 00:11:26,840 Speaker 3: frauds or everything. We thought they were. Like Gito just 234 00:11:26,840 --> 00:11:29,560 Speaker 3: played so well in under pressure too. It's not like 235 00:11:29,640 --> 00:11:32,040 Speaker 3: Dallas made it easy on him. At one point in 236 00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:34,080 Speaker 3: the fourth quarter, he was like eleven for twelve under 237 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:38,000 Speaker 3: pressure and averaging ten yards per ten. Yeah, let's say 238 00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:39,120 Speaker 3: nobody does that. 239 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:41,520 Speaker 2: Let's get to the Jada portion. We've put it all 240 00:11:41,559 --> 00:11:44,920 Speaker 2: off long enough. But I'm with you, like there are 241 00:11:44,960 --> 00:11:48,040 Speaker 2: no big losers here. I'm gonna I'm gonna be a 242 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:51,320 Speaker 2: little annoyed about the Seahawks defense later, just in terms 243 00:11:51,320 --> 00:11:53,520 Speaker 2: of roster construction and everything and some of the game 244 00:11:53,559 --> 00:11:57,520 Speaker 2: management stuff, and Jason Myers missed another important kick in 245 00:11:57,559 --> 00:12:01,120 Speaker 2: this game, but just in terms of the way this 246 00:12:01,280 --> 00:12:03,800 Speaker 2: season shapes up. Before we moved to Juno, it's like 247 00:12:04,640 --> 00:12:07,440 Speaker 2: it was absolutely vital. Though they got this win to 248 00:12:07,520 --> 00:12:09,679 Speaker 2: stay in the NFC East race, I still think they 249 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:12,800 Speaker 2: can win this division because I just think, you know, 250 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:16,000 Speaker 2: the Eagles are underdogs this week, and then the Cowboys 251 00:12:16,400 --> 00:12:18,840 Speaker 2: are probably playing for for our playing for first place 252 00:12:18,880 --> 00:12:21,120 Speaker 2: next week, and so that's like it doesn't get much 253 00:12:21,120 --> 00:12:23,080 Speaker 2: bigger than that they had. They actually do have it 254 00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:24,680 Speaker 2: right there in front of them. I know their schedule 255 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:27,280 Speaker 2: is brutal, so it'd be hard to finish that out. 256 00:12:27,280 --> 00:12:30,040 Speaker 2: But there's a very real chance that they're in first 257 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:32,920 Speaker 2: place in the NFC East and they're gonna have extra 258 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:35,360 Speaker 2: rest going into that Eagles game in ten days. Whereas 259 00:12:35,559 --> 00:12:39,000 Speaker 2: the Seahawks felt like this was their chance to sneak 260 00:12:39,040 --> 00:12:41,840 Speaker 2: one in here during this brutal stretch, and they couldn't 261 00:12:41,880 --> 00:12:45,680 Speaker 2: get it done. And it's so surprising to me, Steven 262 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:49,200 Speaker 2: that they put up thirty five points in the first 263 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:52,800 Speaker 2: fifty minutes of this game. Their offensive line and everything 264 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:55,200 Speaker 2: going into this game and their offensive cohesion did not 265 00:12:55,240 --> 00:12:56,920 Speaker 2: indicate that this performance was coming. 266 00:12:57,880 --> 00:13:00,000 Speaker 3: No, I did not expect this performance, and I didn't 267 00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:02,960 Speaker 3: expected because of that matchup the offensive line versus the 268 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:05,800 Speaker 3: defensive line and Dallas's defensive line. Despite not getting a 269 00:13:05,840 --> 00:13:07,440 Speaker 3: lot of sacks, they did get pressure and I thought 270 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:08,880 Speaker 3: they won for the most part. 271 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:10,040 Speaker 2: Uh. 272 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:13,880 Speaker 3: I thought Shane Waldron, the offensive coordinator, called a great game. 273 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:16,960 Speaker 3: I didn't like the calls at the end. I thought 274 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:20,360 Speaker 3: he kind of That's one thing. I that's my one 275 00:13:20,400 --> 00:13:23,000 Speaker 3: thing against Waldron is that he gets a little galaxy 276 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:25,480 Speaker 3: brained a time. He kind of outthinks himself a little bit. 277 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:27,400 Speaker 3: I don't know what that last play was, but it 278 00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:29,240 Speaker 3: kind of looked like a screen pass, like a late 279 00:13:29,320 --> 00:13:32,760 Speaker 3: slip screen pass, which is an interesting call. And fourth 280 00:13:32,760 --> 00:13:34,120 Speaker 3: and what was it fourth and five with. 281 00:13:34,160 --> 00:13:36,320 Speaker 2: The game on the line, fourth and two, Yeah, fourth 282 00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:37,920 Speaker 2: and two and it gets blown up and it never 283 00:13:37,960 --> 00:13:40,280 Speaker 2: really had a chance and though yeah, Parsons got there 284 00:13:40,320 --> 00:13:43,120 Speaker 2: and the next and stats measured in one point three seconds. 285 00:13:43,160 --> 00:13:44,199 Speaker 2: I mean it was Parsons. 286 00:13:44,600 --> 00:13:46,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, they tried to like totally blocked. 287 00:13:46,520 --> 00:13:49,720 Speaker 2: I'm not sure where the protection went wrong, whether that 288 00:13:49,800 --> 00:13:51,760 Speaker 2: was supposed to be the running backs, it went wrong 289 00:13:51,840 --> 00:13:54,440 Speaker 2: somewhere they needed to reset. I don't know like who 290 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:56,880 Speaker 2: that's on that. That's happened more than you would want 291 00:13:56,920 --> 00:13:58,920 Speaker 2: to for the Seahawks this year. And yeah, to get 292 00:13:58,920 --> 00:14:01,199 Speaker 2: into that position. And there were a couple drives in 293 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:03,400 Speaker 2: the fourth quarter where they turn it over on downs 294 00:14:03,400 --> 00:14:06,200 Speaker 2: and they were in short yarded situations. After having such 295 00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:08,520 Speaker 2: a good night on third down. Finally, they've been a 296 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:11,480 Speaker 2: terrible third down team all year. They kind of went 297 00:14:11,559 --> 00:14:14,400 Speaker 2: back in the crucible to just a couple bad plays 298 00:14:14,400 --> 00:14:16,240 Speaker 2: there on third and one, fourth and one. I'm also 299 00:14:16,280 --> 00:14:18,520 Speaker 2: thinking about the drive before the same thing happened. 300 00:14:19,400 --> 00:14:21,960 Speaker 3: It was it was good to see Geno adjust because 301 00:14:21,960 --> 00:14:23,880 Speaker 3: there has been talk about him getting the ball out quicker, 302 00:14:23,920 --> 00:14:25,560 Speaker 3: and I think that is one thing you saw. You 303 00:14:25,600 --> 00:14:28,440 Speaker 3: saw him make that adjustment, and I think it would 304 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:31,840 Speaker 3: have been a big red flag if you heard that 305 00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:34,480 Speaker 3: talk from Gino, you heard that talk from the offensive coordinator, 306 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:37,200 Speaker 3: and then he couldn't do it. So I think that, 307 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:39,720 Speaker 3: like I think this was a I don't think it 308 00:14:39,840 --> 00:14:43,840 Speaker 3: obviously it derails whatever playoff hope Seattle had or kind of. 309 00:14:44,320 --> 00:14:45,200 Speaker 3: But he still got it. 310 00:14:45,200 --> 00:14:47,400 Speaker 2: They still got it, but they but it didn't help 311 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:49,160 Speaker 2: hurt they had an opportunity tonight. 312 00:14:49,360 --> 00:14:50,840 Speaker 3: But I think this is a good sign for the 313 00:14:51,280 --> 00:14:53,120 Speaker 3: for the team going forward. Like I think like that 314 00:14:53,280 --> 00:14:56,520 Speaker 3: Geno still has these moments when he can he can 315 00:14:56,600 --> 00:14:58,840 Speaker 3: light up a game and he can match a MVP 316 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:01,600 Speaker 3: candidate throw for throw right. 317 00:15:01,800 --> 00:15:03,760 Speaker 2: And you know, statistically he's been getting rid of the 318 00:15:03,800 --> 00:15:06,720 Speaker 2: ball about the same time this year. The pressure has 319 00:15:06,760 --> 00:15:09,840 Speaker 2: just been getting there faster. He's been avoiding sacks much better. Actually, 320 00:15:09,880 --> 00:15:12,320 Speaker 2: he's that used to be, you know, one of the 321 00:15:12,320 --> 00:15:15,000 Speaker 2: worst parts of his game last year, even in his breakout, 322 00:15:15,080 --> 00:15:17,600 Speaker 2: was still like blow average but not terrible. This year, 323 00:15:17,880 --> 00:15:20,120 Speaker 2: it's pretty good and you saw that tonight, Like if 324 00:15:20,120 --> 00:15:21,600 Speaker 2: you had looked at the box score, you would have 325 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:23,880 Speaker 2: no idea. And I know Parsons got three QB hits, 326 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:25,640 Speaker 2: but you would have no idea that Parsons kind of 327 00:15:25,640 --> 00:15:28,920 Speaker 2: dominated this game. And Lawrence had a good game too, 328 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:31,680 Speaker 2: because Gino was getting rid of the ball, I mean, 329 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:34,360 Speaker 2: some of those dimes early to DK. It was also 330 00:15:34,480 --> 00:15:36,600 Speaker 2: great to see DK have a game like this because 331 00:15:37,080 --> 00:15:40,480 Speaker 2: I think that the Thanksgiving game kind of encapsulated what's 332 00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:44,280 Speaker 2: been a really disappointing season for DK, not winning contested catches, 333 00:15:45,160 --> 00:15:47,800 Speaker 2: just being kind of a little lazy with his routes 334 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:49,960 Speaker 2: on the sideline stuff like that. And tonight he was 335 00:15:50,040 --> 00:15:54,480 Speaker 2: like he was DK what you imagine him to be. 336 00:15:54,640 --> 00:15:58,640 Speaker 2: That first dime that Gino threw to him just felt 337 00:15:58,640 --> 00:16:00,840 Speaker 2: like it like kind of free the two of them, 338 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:04,040 Speaker 2: and he threw so many good passes to it was 339 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:07,040 Speaker 2: it was a beautiful thing. I mean, being Geno guys. 340 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:09,640 Speaker 2: To have him have this night in an Island game, 341 00:16:09,720 --> 00:16:13,320 Speaker 2: it did feel like a release for me, a weight 342 00:16:13,360 --> 00:16:14,360 Speaker 2: off my shoulders, you know. 343 00:16:14,760 --> 00:16:17,120 Speaker 3: And I like how you got to see him thrive 344 00:16:17,320 --> 00:16:19,840 Speaker 3: under pressure, like you got to see that this is 345 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:21,760 Speaker 3: what he's been dealing with all year. He's been dealing 346 00:16:21,800 --> 00:16:25,640 Speaker 3: with this type of protection and receivers that I don't 347 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:28,160 Speaker 3: think have been running great routes. And it's kind of 348 00:16:28,160 --> 00:16:29,840 Speaker 3: hard to say when you're outside of the building, but 349 00:16:29,840 --> 00:16:32,560 Speaker 3: there's been a lot of miscommunications. I think that's the 350 00:16:32,560 --> 00:16:35,280 Speaker 3: best way you could put it. And you didn't really 351 00:16:35,280 --> 00:16:37,040 Speaker 3: see that tonight, Like you saw Geno get rid of 352 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:39,040 Speaker 3: the ball, and the receivers ended up where they were 353 00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:40,840 Speaker 3: supposed to be and the ball ended up where it 354 00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:43,680 Speaker 3: was supposed to be. I think if this team could 355 00:16:43,680 --> 00:16:46,960 Speaker 3: find any consistency, they might look like the team we 356 00:16:47,040 --> 00:16:49,280 Speaker 3: see when they're at their highest, like when they have 357 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:52,160 Speaker 3: these breakout performances, because they are capable of it. We've 358 00:16:52,160 --> 00:16:53,920 Speaker 3: seen it like a handful of times over the last 359 00:16:53,960 --> 00:16:56,760 Speaker 3: two years, just stringing them together right. 360 00:16:56,960 --> 00:16:59,680 Speaker 2: And defensively, they have so many players you would think 361 00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:02,840 Speaker 2: that they can have some better games than the ones 362 00:17:03,320 --> 00:17:05,800 Speaker 2: that they've had. And I'll get into it a minute, 363 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:09,000 Speaker 2: but they've just been a sub mediocre defense, like a 364 00:17:09,080 --> 00:17:12,119 Speaker 2: very below average defense, and you saw it tonight. But 365 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:13,880 Speaker 2: I they can if they can get their offense going 366 00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:15,800 Speaker 2: like this. They did have Abe Lucas back in the 367 00:17:15,880 --> 00:17:18,960 Speaker 2: run game, which you know, maybe that helps Zach Charboney 368 00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:21,880 Speaker 2: though is nineteen for sixty. He did have a thirty 369 00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:24,200 Speaker 2: nine yeard catch too, but he left late with a 370 00:17:24,280 --> 00:17:27,639 Speaker 2: knee injury and was immediately ruled doubtful, which that is 371 00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:31,639 Speaker 2: not a great sign. Maybe Kenneth Walker's back next week. 372 00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:34,560 Speaker 2: But Smith and Jigbab made some plays until he had 373 00:17:34,600 --> 00:17:37,720 Speaker 2: the miscommunication on the turnover on downs on the on 374 00:17:37,760 --> 00:17:40,680 Speaker 2: the drive before the last one, and and lock it. 375 00:17:41,760 --> 00:17:43,680 Speaker 2: I think one of the plays Seahawks fans are gonna 376 00:17:43,720 --> 00:17:46,879 Speaker 2: remember is the Seahawks are up thirty five to thirty, 377 00:17:47,600 --> 00:17:51,120 Speaker 2: they're driving, I mean right, they had the ball up 378 00:17:51,160 --> 00:17:55,320 Speaker 2: thirty five to thirty to possibly kick a field goal, 379 00:17:55,440 --> 00:17:58,040 Speaker 2: the go up eight halfway through the fourth quarter or 380 00:17:58,080 --> 00:18:01,160 Speaker 2: even you know, score a tight and kind of put 381 00:18:01,160 --> 00:18:04,600 Speaker 2: the game away, and Gino, as one of his best anticipation, 382 00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:08,040 Speaker 2: throws the night it gets there, you know, after Lockett 383 00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:10,840 Speaker 2: you know, makes his turn and it hits him right 384 00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:13,320 Speaker 2: in the helmet and Gino gets sacked the next play. 385 00:18:14,560 --> 00:18:16,720 Speaker 2: It was maybe it was a pressure and a throwaway 386 00:18:16,720 --> 00:18:19,840 Speaker 2: the next play, but that drive ended right there and 387 00:18:19,840 --> 00:18:22,320 Speaker 2: they would have been in field goal range on one 388 00:18:22,320 --> 00:18:24,240 Speaker 2: of the better geno passes of the night, the Robin 389 00:18:24,280 --> 00:18:25,240 Speaker 2: our boy Steven. 390 00:18:25,320 --> 00:18:27,600 Speaker 3: They really are and I feel like we're talking about 391 00:18:27,600 --> 00:18:30,280 Speaker 3: how well these quarterbacks played. I don't think the receivers 392 00:18:30,280 --> 00:18:32,040 Speaker 3: played all that well outside of DK. 393 00:18:32,840 --> 00:18:34,920 Speaker 2: Now we're sounding like we're just like it's a pro 394 00:18:35,119 --> 00:18:37,359 Speaker 2: g know thing. I mean, there a lot of drops. 395 00:18:37,400 --> 00:18:38,160 Speaker 3: There were a lot of balls. 396 00:18:38,359 --> 00:18:39,520 Speaker 2: There were there were some drops. 397 00:18:40,600 --> 00:18:43,520 Speaker 3: Nice catch both sides, I mean on both sides. 398 00:18:43,600 --> 00:18:46,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, on both sides. Certainly there were there were some drops. 399 00:18:46,119 --> 00:18:48,080 Speaker 2: I mean Smith and Jigba. I like that he's getting 400 00:18:48,080 --> 00:18:52,560 Speaker 2: more consistent. He had the touchdown that was overturned on review, 401 00:18:52,680 --> 00:18:55,280 Speaker 2: but at least he drew a long PI on that call. 402 00:18:56,080 --> 00:18:59,080 Speaker 2: There were a lot of PI calls and we'll hit that, 403 00:18:59,359 --> 00:19:04,080 Speaker 2: but first we're going to take a break. Okay, we're 404 00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:05,919 Speaker 2: back in. You know I mentioned before the break. I mean, 405 00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:09,200 Speaker 2: the penalties were a huge story of this game. There 406 00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:14,240 Speaker 2: were two hundred and fifty seven penalty yards Steven in 407 00:19:14,280 --> 00:19:18,080 Speaker 2: this game. That is the most and for a game 408 00:19:18,119 --> 00:19:23,959 Speaker 2: in regulation since Bear's Bills twenty eighteen, which I don't 409 00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:26,680 Speaker 2: it was in November. I don't have an immediate recollection, 410 00:19:27,240 --> 00:19:31,040 Speaker 2: but I do likely likely I met Trubisky. Josh Allen 411 00:19:31,359 --> 00:19:34,560 Speaker 2: showed ow Nathan Peterman, Oh was it? Wait? Really? 412 00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:37,040 Speaker 3: Yeah? I think it was a Nathan Peterman special. 413 00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:43,600 Speaker 2: Al Michael's commenting tonight on the penalties. Let's listen, we're 414 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:44,520 Speaker 2: going to take the rush. 415 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:46,280 Speaker 1: Of the night of La Cliqe Blakeman pulling the game. 416 00:19:47,359 --> 00:19:48,639 Speaker 1: You buy him? Sure? 417 00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:53,280 Speaker 2: I was getting so mad. I don't know if he 418 00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:55,840 Speaker 2: was having occasionally has like senior moments, but like he 419 00:19:55,920 --> 00:19:59,520 Speaker 2: literally said, like, oh and guess what's next? When when 420 00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:01,800 Speaker 2: the flag came out, like on four straight plays at 421 00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:03,639 Speaker 2: one point in the third quarter, he was just like 422 00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:04,800 Speaker 2: beside himself. 423 00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:08,200 Speaker 3: I mean, Al, this was a great performance, a throwback 424 00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:10,600 Speaker 3: performance for Al in my opinion, he was and Gino 425 00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:12,000 Speaker 3: and Dak he was right there with him. 426 00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:16,280 Speaker 2: I'll buy that. I would like a little more excitement 427 00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:18,560 Speaker 2: there at the end. I would like it's more of 428 00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:20,240 Speaker 2: a Herb Street thing. But there were a lot of 429 00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:23,399 Speaker 2: game management situations at the end of the game that 430 00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:27,359 Speaker 2: were very interesting, and they didn't really like go over 431 00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:31,119 Speaker 2: ahead of time or even afterwards. You know, the Cowboys 432 00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:33,520 Speaker 2: had the ball, we might as well, you know, talk 433 00:20:33,520 --> 00:20:36,440 Speaker 2: about it now. They had the ball, after they turned 434 00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:39,879 Speaker 2: the Seahawks over on downs, and they get it with 435 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:43,040 Speaker 2: two let's see how long was left in the game. 436 00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:47,719 Speaker 2: They get it with one forty three to go, and 437 00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:50,240 Speaker 2: they basically or no, sorry, they get it with three 438 00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:54,680 Speaker 2: eleven to go. That makes more sense at the Seahawks 439 00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:59,200 Speaker 2: forty nine yard line and two first downs basically wins 440 00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:03,840 Speaker 2: the game there. And they immediately get into the red 441 00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:08,760 Speaker 2: zone on that drive, and they get into situation where 442 00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:12,199 Speaker 2: it's third and three, the Seahawks are all out of 443 00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:16,880 Speaker 2: timeouts and there's one forty maybe a little more left 444 00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:21,040 Speaker 2: on the clock, and they throw a pass from I 445 00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:23,240 Speaker 2: think it was the fourteen into the end zone. I 446 00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:25,560 Speaker 2: know it's one on one Ceedee Lamb and he's been 447 00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:27,560 Speaker 2: so great tonight, but it wasn't really close. He was 448 00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:29,600 Speaker 2: well covered, the ball was you know, it was kind 449 00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:31,520 Speaker 2: of threw it a safe pass to make sure it 450 00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:35,879 Speaker 2: didn't get interception, and it's incomplete and I was I 451 00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:38,800 Speaker 2: love being aggressive, but that's actually not being aggressive. That's 452 00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:41,560 Speaker 2: just that was just bad game management. If they run 453 00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:44,680 Speaker 2: the ball there, it goes under a minute, and you 454 00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:46,800 Speaker 2: run the ball there because it's fourth and three, and 455 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:48,639 Speaker 2: you kind of plan on you run the ball twice 456 00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:50,800 Speaker 2: and you win the game and it's over with. And 457 00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:53,000 Speaker 2: if if you don't get it the second time, it's 458 00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:55,320 Speaker 2: under a minute left and they're inside like the ten 459 00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:57,359 Speaker 2: yard line or the thirteen airdline. I thought that was 460 00:21:57,359 --> 00:21:58,400 Speaker 2: crazy by McCarthy. 461 00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:03,159 Speaker 3: Now that that's always the thing with McCarthy, right, Like 462 00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:06,000 Speaker 3: every time, I'm starting to think McCarthy's turning it around, 463 00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:08,560 Speaker 3: like getting back to play, like this is an accomplishment. 464 00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:10,040 Speaker 3: I have to give him credit. I'm not gonna take 465 00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:12,639 Speaker 3: credit away, yes for doing yes, but these are the 466 00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:15,119 Speaker 3: moments where you're like, uh, like that's gonna come up 467 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:16,800 Speaker 3: in the playoffs and I don't think he's gonna make 468 00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:18,400 Speaker 3: the right decision. Like there was even like a two 469 00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:21,560 Speaker 3: point conversion chance earlier in the game, and I don't 470 00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:23,080 Speaker 3: know what the analytics say about it, but a lot 471 00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:25,080 Speaker 3: of people are wondering why they didn't go for it 472 00:22:25,119 --> 00:22:25,399 Speaker 3: to tie you. 473 00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:27,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was twenty twenty six. It was like, why 474 00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:29,520 Speaker 2: were you not going for two at that moment? And 475 00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:31,480 Speaker 2: then I for me for it later and they got 476 00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:31,880 Speaker 2: it later. 477 00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:35,919 Speaker 3: It's not just McCarthy, Like I got questions about Dan 478 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:40,359 Speaker 3: Quinn hmmm, okay, and it's the same questions that anyone 479 00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:42,760 Speaker 3: would have about Dan Quinn in that like style of 480 00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:46,080 Speaker 3: defense that we've seen, like we see it in Seattle, 481 00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:48,359 Speaker 3: like that cover three, line up and play. We're not 482 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:51,080 Speaker 3: going to like do anything to trick you. I just 483 00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:53,320 Speaker 3: think it's a defense that could be schemed up, and 484 00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:55,480 Speaker 3: it's a defense that can be exploited by the best 485 00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:58,119 Speaker 3: quarterbacks in the NFL. And in order to win a 486 00:22:58,119 --> 00:23:00,119 Speaker 3: Super Bowl, you have to beat the best quarterbacks in 487 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:02,520 Speaker 3: the NFL. And that's my worry. 488 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:07,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a fair point that, like the Cowboys defense 489 00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:09,720 Speaker 2: has been great this year. I mean, it hasn't been 490 00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:15,359 Speaker 2: like Ravens Browns level, and it's got great talent, but 491 00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:19,159 Speaker 2: this is the first game in a long time, and 492 00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:22,800 Speaker 2: granted they haven't played many great offenses. You know, they 493 00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:24,879 Speaker 2: did a pretty good job. I thought against the Eagles. Overall, 494 00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:27,560 Speaker 2: they give more points than they should have, but it 495 00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:32,399 Speaker 2: was they played well. It was disarming to see like 496 00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:34,280 Speaker 2: a team go up and down the field throwing the 497 00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:37,280 Speaker 2: ball in them. I mean, Deron Bland Michael said, give 498 00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:40,400 Speaker 2: up more yards in that first half than any cornerback 499 00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:45,520 Speaker 2: in any half of football all year. So his defensive 500 00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:48,639 Speaker 2: Player of the Year candidacy was always silly to me. 501 00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:51,320 Speaker 2: I mean, give him an All Pro, that's fine, But 502 00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:53,159 Speaker 2: people were trying to talk that up this week, like 503 00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:56,119 Speaker 2: that's over with now, even though he had an electric 504 00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:59,359 Speaker 2: interception that was not even a bad throw by Gino. 505 00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:03,000 Speaker 2: I didn't think, if anything, Bland just kind of bodied 506 00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:05,879 Speaker 2: Locket out of position on a play. Lock It like 507 00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:08,159 Speaker 2: had position when the ball was thrown, and Bland made 508 00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:10,200 Speaker 2: a great play. But Bland got cooked in this game. 509 00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:13,160 Speaker 2: And you're right, maybe the secondary, like do you think 510 00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:15,800 Speaker 2: there are holes here, like in the back seven essentially 511 00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:17,040 Speaker 2: for Dallas. 512 00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:19,200 Speaker 3: I do think it can be attacked, and I think 513 00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:21,760 Speaker 3: if you can mitigate the pass rush, which I don't 514 00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:24,800 Speaker 3: think Seattle did in any shape or form tonight. But 515 00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:26,760 Speaker 3: I think there are teams that are capable of doing that, 516 00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:29,520 Speaker 3: like San Francisco as we've seen, then I think it's 517 00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:31,880 Speaker 3: gonna be an issue. And I don't think like dan 518 00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:35,240 Speaker 3: Quinn's style of defense offers you like schematic help. It's 519 00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:39,800 Speaker 3: really reliant on execution and talent, and I think fundamentals, 520 00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:41,639 Speaker 3: which is like a great way to play and it 521 00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:44,640 Speaker 3: makes sense with their talent. It's just when you run 522 00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:48,520 Speaker 3: into offenses that can match your talent, it becomes a problem. 523 00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:54,399 Speaker 2: Then, yeah, because you know who, like Bland is playing outstanding, 524 00:24:55,119 --> 00:25:00,399 Speaker 2: Gilmour is still a really solid starting corner, but Diggie 525 00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:05,120 Speaker 2: Zua and the guys insider are good. Parsons is just outrageous. 526 00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:08,639 Speaker 2: I think I might as great as Garrett's been. I'm 527 00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:11,920 Speaker 2: still I'm still holding out my vote there that it's 528 00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:13,679 Speaker 2: like we got a long way to go, and like 529 00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:17,320 Speaker 2: in my heart, i still feel like Parsons is actually 530 00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:19,760 Speaker 2: better and having a better season even though it's not 531 00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:22,399 Speaker 2: quite there. So I'm I'm allowing the possibility that he 532 00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:24,879 Speaker 2: might just close really strong. And then Lawrence had a 533 00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:28,119 Speaker 2: huge fourth down stop on Charbonny. It's just those little 534 00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:31,040 Speaker 2: moments of the game where like their best players stepped 535 00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:34,800 Speaker 2: up like Jake Bobo on a on a screen to 536 00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:36,720 Speaker 2: play before it looked like he had more yards to 537 00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:38,520 Speaker 2: pick up. I mean, these are what you think about 538 00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:41,360 Speaker 2: when you're a Seahawks fan. I'm a quasi Seahawks fan. 539 00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:42,760 Speaker 2: Now what happened to me? 540 00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:45,160 Speaker 3: You don't get to claim that, aren't you a Patriots fan? 541 00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:46,240 Speaker 3: You don't get to claim. 542 00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:49,480 Speaker 2: I mean, I've I jump on different teams depending on 543 00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:53,159 Speaker 2: the year, and this, uh, this Patriots team was. 544 00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:55,040 Speaker 3: Des attle bit. 545 00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:57,560 Speaker 2: I mean, are my great friend Chris Westley and I 546 00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:00,320 Speaker 2: mean they already made fun of me. I remember saying, 547 00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:02,479 Speaker 2: even as the Patriots run was over, I was like, 548 00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:04,560 Speaker 2: I'm not gonna I'm not gonna be as into it 549 00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:07,400 Speaker 2: once Brady's gone, just like because I know it'll never 550 00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:10,520 Speaker 2: be the same. Like what's the point of chasing that. 551 00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:12,560 Speaker 2: I mean, you're a Panthers fancy. You've had a tough week. 552 00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:12,800 Speaker 2: That's why. 553 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:15,280 Speaker 3: That's how it was with Cam. That's how once Cam left, 554 00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:17,960 Speaker 3: I'd like, I'm a Panthers fans. A strong word is 555 00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:18,880 Speaker 3: how I'll put it. 556 00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:21,720 Speaker 2: You've been busy. They got you, just like doing the 557 00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:24,200 Speaker 2: whole podcast circuit. You did Mina show. We should have 558 00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:27,000 Speaker 2: coordinated me and Mina. So it's like it's maybe too 559 00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:28,800 Speaker 2: much ruiz u for the people. 560 00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:31,760 Speaker 3: No, it's not enough. Do people need more? Yeah, they're 561 00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:34,159 Speaker 3: like truck me out playing like Sarah McLaughlin music with 562 00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:36,119 Speaker 3: the sad puppies, Like that's who I am. 563 00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:41,080 Speaker 2: Uh, it is tough. What is what is your opinion 564 00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:45,800 Speaker 2: of the Here we go? Sure, yeah, here we go? 565 00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:48,760 Speaker 2: Like do you hear it while you're walking around. Is 566 00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:50,800 Speaker 2: it just like part of your life like it is 567 00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:52,840 Speaker 2: mine at this point? 568 00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:55,520 Speaker 3: It is I and I didn't really notice it until 569 00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:57,920 Speaker 3: people started pointing it out. I always felt like Cam 570 00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:00,560 Speaker 3: Newton had a weird one too, so I'm like kind 571 00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:02,200 Speaker 3: of partial to them, and I don't hate. 572 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:04,560 Speaker 2: It like everyone what were Cams? He was always high 573 00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:06,560 Speaker 2: in my Cadence rankings. He had a nice deep voice. 574 00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:07,639 Speaker 2: But I can't think of him right off. 575 00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:09,560 Speaker 3: I think it was similar. I think it might have 576 00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:10,200 Speaker 3: been here we go. 577 00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:13,719 Speaker 2: Mmmm, yeah, no, no, no. 578 00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:14,199 Speaker 3: There's like it was. 579 00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:14,520 Speaker 2: It was. 580 00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:16,720 Speaker 3: It was like ready. It was something like. 581 00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:20,959 Speaker 2: Yeah, ready, but nice and deep and and DA's just 582 00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:23,600 Speaker 2: got that base. Yeah. It really started for me in 583 00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:25,960 Speaker 2: the Rams game. I don't know why I didn't notice 584 00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:29,240 Speaker 2: it before then. I still want to get on Pete 585 00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:32,560 Speaker 2: Carroll before we go, just because of the way they've 586 00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:37,560 Speaker 2: built this team, Like as I see Jamal Adams getting 587 00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:40,400 Speaker 2: pressures but not really finishing the play on those blitzes, 588 00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:44,720 Speaker 2: and when I see him like in position but not 589 00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:47,199 Speaker 2: doing anything about the ball when the ball's in the 590 00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:50,120 Speaker 2: air and they're throwing it to Jake Ferguson to win 591 00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:52,120 Speaker 2: the game, and there were there were other plays like that, 592 00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:53,760 Speaker 2: and I think about what they gave up for Adams, 593 00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:58,639 Speaker 2: and I know he's gotten hurt and Wagner it has 594 00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:01,880 Speaker 2: been good, but you know he'll get frozen a little 595 00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:03,960 Speaker 2: bit and coverage like on that first tight end and 596 00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:07,240 Speaker 2: that first touchdown, he's not even moving and then you 597 00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:09,640 Speaker 2: know Darryl Taylor's bouncing off him. And I just think 598 00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:11,800 Speaker 2: of all the picks, and they traded that pick for 599 00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:15,360 Speaker 2: Leonard Williams's second round pick, and I just think they 600 00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:20,000 Speaker 2: came into this game twenty third in DVA. I know 601 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:22,520 Speaker 2: it's the Cowboys, but the Cowboys looked as good or 602 00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:26,040 Speaker 2: better against this defense then they've looked against anyone. So 603 00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:27,679 Speaker 2: that net number is going to go down to like 604 00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:32,080 Speaker 2: twenty six. It's a defensive coach. They've been above average 605 00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:36,360 Speaker 2: one time steven since twenty seventeen in terms of DVOA, 606 00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:38,640 Speaker 2: and they were thirteenth that year in the COVID year. 607 00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:40,440 Speaker 2: So even that year, it's not like they were great. 608 00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:44,560 Speaker 2: It's like, I don't know, I don't really believe in 609 00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:47,240 Speaker 2: building around defense anyways, but they've put too much into 610 00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:50,280 Speaker 2: it to me for this whole thing to make any 611 00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:54,680 Speaker 2: sense because the offense, like it's you've got like a 612 00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:58,400 Speaker 2: good quarterback, but you don't have you don't have a 613 00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:01,840 Speaker 2: top five quarterback, need your defense in running game to 614 00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:02,720 Speaker 2: help out. 615 00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:07,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's tough. I think Pete Carroll's a good head coach, 616 00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:09,200 Speaker 3: but I agree with it's kind of like the Belichick 617 00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:11,560 Speaker 3: thing where you got to separate the coach from the 618 00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:12,959 Speaker 3: team builder. 619 00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:15,280 Speaker 2: I think he's a good coach too, And it's not 620 00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:18,200 Speaker 2: like a total thing. It's just their defense is disappointing, 621 00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:21,960 Speaker 2: Like it's very often less than the summer of their parts. 622 00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:24,840 Speaker 2: And he's a defensive coach. It's never certain more than 623 00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:26,320 Speaker 2: the some of their parts. You would think just by 624 00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:30,440 Speaker 2: randomness they would luck into like a number six defense 625 00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:34,080 Speaker 2: season one of these years, but they don't. I'm really 626 00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:36,120 Speaker 2: surprised they're below average. I'm surprised. 627 00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:38,680 Speaker 3: No, Like, And that was kind of the point I 628 00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:41,160 Speaker 3: was gonna make. I think, like the thing that we 629 00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:44,800 Speaker 3: kind of overrate with Carol maybe is his defensive mastery 630 00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:46,880 Speaker 3: or whatever you want to call it. Like, I think 631 00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:48,680 Speaker 3: that's the overrated part. I think the way like he 632 00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:51,080 Speaker 3: motivates a locker room and keeps a team together, I 633 00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:52,640 Speaker 3: think that's the secret stuff. 634 00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:53,200 Speaker 2: Yeah. 635 00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:56,200 Speaker 3: But like his best defense is I mean, give me 636 00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:58,400 Speaker 3: five Hall of Famers and I give you like a 637 00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:02,120 Speaker 3: top fifteen defense at least, Like he had Earl Thomas 638 00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:04,480 Speaker 3: and he had Richard Sherman and that like that wasn't 639 00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:06,680 Speaker 3: even how his reputation was built. His reputation was built 640 00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:08,680 Speaker 3: on like the nineties forty nine ers who had like 641 00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:10,160 Speaker 3: ten Hall of Favors on their roster. 642 00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:12,160 Speaker 2: Well, he did it at USC two, and it was 643 00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:14,120 Speaker 2: like it was the right defense for that time. 644 00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:16,840 Speaker 3: They had talent on that team too, though. 645 00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:19,160 Speaker 2: Right, right, And it's the it's the Belichick Brady argument. 646 00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:22,160 Speaker 2: It's it's the Walsh like Montana. It's always symbiotic, like 647 00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:24,520 Speaker 2: that's football. That was the right He was the right 648 00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:27,480 Speaker 2: coach for those groups of players and he and he 649 00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:30,760 Speaker 2: was right to target the certain body types and any 650 00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:34,200 Speaker 2: hit he hit the lottery and he made it like 651 00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:38,240 Speaker 2: maxed it out, you know, except for finishing out that 652 00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:40,920 Speaker 2: Super Bowl against Patriots, but you know he maxed it up. 653 00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:42,800 Speaker 2: But that was a five year run in the in 654 00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:46,440 Speaker 2: the defense. You know, it's it's no longer happened. 655 00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:48,960 Speaker 3: By the way, did you notice the moment then they 656 00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:50,680 Speaker 3: had fourth and one at the end of the half. 657 00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:55,000 Speaker 3: No threw it. They threw it, Seattle threw it again, 658 00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:58,160 Speaker 3: and they threw the slant. It was like the same 659 00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:02,200 Speaker 3: route combination too. They threw the slant genolant. Russ couldn't 660 00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:03,600 Speaker 3: complete it. Difference in the Super. 661 00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:07,120 Speaker 2: Bowl, right and uh man, now I forget because I 662 00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:10,360 Speaker 2: was running around at one point and then caught back up. 663 00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:16,720 Speaker 2: The Seahawks also ran like the same concept as the 664 00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:21,480 Speaker 2: Patriots go ahead touchdown in the Super Bowl. Like pretty 665 00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:23,800 Speaker 2: I mean that the Cowboys ran the same concept right 666 00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:26,880 Speaker 2: against the seahawkss. But basically the Patriots had run to 667 00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:28,800 Speaker 2: go ahead. So it was like a it was a 668 00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:31,880 Speaker 2: fun little vintage night. We got dan Quinn, we got 669 00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:34,600 Speaker 2: it all. This was beautiful. We didn't have a punt, 670 00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:40,320 Speaker 2: we got all these penalties. This was it. This was 671 00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:45,560 Speaker 2: the game to have. Stephen ruiz On, I appreciate it. Steven. 672 00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:47,520 Speaker 2: Where can we check out your work? I know where 673 00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:51,160 Speaker 2: it's the Ringer? What day? What days are your podcasts on? 674 00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:52,520 Speaker 2: Give give me the give me the. 675 00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:55,080 Speaker 3: Lowdown Wednesdays and Monday mornings. 676 00:31:55,520 --> 00:32:00,240 Speaker 2: Okay, In the Ring of NFL feed, you've got the 677 00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:06,000 Speaker 2: quarterback rankings yeah, Wednesday, we should have like a quarterback 678 00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:10,560 Speaker 2: rankings off between you and our new QB Index writer 679 00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:11,320 Speaker 2: Nick Shook. 680 00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:14,760 Speaker 3: I read his every week. I keep an eye on 681 00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:15,320 Speaker 3: the competition. 682 00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:17,960 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, he's great and he helps us out on 683 00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:20,640 Speaker 2: our Sunday nights because look, you you've been doing this 684 00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:22,520 Speaker 2: while he's been doing it a while, not too but 685 00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:25,240 Speaker 2: just started the QB thing. But he's bigger than you. 686 00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:29,560 Speaker 2: Like he's just like an intimidating looking guy. Like he's huge. 687 00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:33,600 Speaker 3: So all right, then his quarterback rankings are the best. 688 00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:34,520 Speaker 1: Just know that. 689 00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:36,200 Speaker 2: No, I just want I just wanted to know. You've 690 00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:39,840 Speaker 2: probably never seen him. Just like check out, check out Shook. 691 00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:41,920 Speaker 2: We call him the Pipe, just check out like his 692 00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:45,520 Speaker 2: little av I. But yeah, people should check out Steven. 693 00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:48,360 Speaker 2: I've been following his work now for a while. Stephen 694 00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:51,240 Speaker 2: is young and yet now he's a veteran. He's been 695 00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:55,200 Speaker 2: in the game a while and people should, uh should 696 00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:57,760 Speaker 2: read everything he writes and check him out on the podcast. 697 00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:00,400 Speaker 2: That will do it for tonight. It was a on one. 698 00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:02,720 Speaker 3: It was a great one. It was it was great 699 00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:04,160 Speaker 3: talking to talking to you about it. 700 00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:08,960 Speaker 2: Uh, it's Stephen Ruie's week is over. But the podcast 701 00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:11,560 Speaker 2: never ends. We will be back on Sunday with the 702 00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:17,400 Speaker 2: flagship show. Until then, Heed the call, h 703 00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:33,280 Speaker 3: M.