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Speaker 2: App feazzey sec Bye Bye bye bye.

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Speaker 3: Would it be a wah?

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Speaker 4: Is that?

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Speaker 3: Is that French for goodbye bye bye?

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Speaker 4: Goodbye?

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Speaker 3: Sayonarra bye in any language?

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Speaker 2: The SEC out of the college football playoff Happy Friday

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Speaker 2: erin Torres.

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Speaker 3: How are you well?

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Speaker 5: I'm great, enjoyed the heck out of the game on

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Speaker 5: Thursday night, and I was just telling Bow in the back,

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Speaker 5: is that listen? I love a good college football you

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Speaker 5: know narrative as much as the next. And I love

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Speaker 5: this old mysstory kind of proven Lane Kiffin wrong. I

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Speaker 5: was kind of pulling for Miami to win No SEC

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Speaker 5: team in the championship game for a third straight year.

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Speaker 5: And you know, I set out the meme last night.

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Speaker 5: But when Greg Sankie walks in all these commissioners meetings

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Speaker 5: over the next couple months, I hope all the commissioners

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Speaker 5: pull the Connor McGregor meme of who the F this guy?

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Speaker 6: I don't think it's gonna happen, but I hope that

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Speaker 2: Oh yes, a lot to get to Greg SANKI wanting

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Speaker 2: more opportunities for the SEC in the future college football playoffs. Right,

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Speaker 2: five plus eleven, so then the SEC could have what

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Speaker 2: nine schools in the playoff. Not so fast, my friend,

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Speaker 2: because for back to back years they can't get a

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Speaker 2: team in the National champions straight game. And yes, Michigan

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Speaker 2: Washington was yes, yeah, you're right, you're right. So now

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Speaker 2: three straight years, even with tonight's outcome, not set up

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Speaker 2: three straight years. The last time he was Georgia and TCU,

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Speaker 2: as he pointed out to a text of the PTSD

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Speaker 2: from attending that game and how bad it was. But

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Speaker 2: I do think that last night's game is interesting in

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Speaker 2: the fact of it eliminated an SEC school, an ACC

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Speaker 2: school has now made it to the National Championship Game,

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Speaker 2: and an ACC school Aaron that was the last at

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Speaker 2: large team in the bracket to make it. So there

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Speaker 2: are a lot of tentacles coming from last night's game.

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Speaker 2: Miami now gets to play a National Championship game in

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Speaker 2: their home stadium. That's been done before with them in

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Speaker 2: college football. But I don't feel that the National Championship

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Speaker 2: Game has been lacking at any point without an SEC

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Speaker 2: team in the National championship, and in fact, I think

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Speaker 2: that there was a time where we were just so

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Speaker 2: so now I feel that for as great as Miami's

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Speaker 2: new blood, new blood in the College Football Playoff. I mean,

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Speaker 2: even having Ole Miss representing the SEC, it just didn't

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Speaker 2: They didn't even I'm not saying they're not an SEC team,

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Speaker 2: but it wasn't the LSU Alabama, Georgia Florida quad that

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Speaker 2: you would get where we would be like, oh, it's

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Speaker 2: them again. So it was new. It was different, but

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Speaker 2: it also may be a changing of the guard that

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Speaker 5: Well, I know we're not going to spend too much

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Speaker 5: time giving the former Old Miss coach, you know, airtime here,

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Speaker 5: but I bring it up because to your point about

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Speaker 5: even within the SEC, there's a tier above the tier.

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Speaker 5: The reason Old Miss had what was essentially an interim

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Speaker 5: which you get the point is because their previous head

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Speaker 5: again it was the Alabama's, the Georgia's, the LSUS, the Whomever's.

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Speaker 5: Definitely new blood in this not only this playoff, but

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Speaker 5: I think that it speaks to a lot of quickly

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Speaker 5: this sport, whether it be the SEC, how you build

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Speaker 6: It's a fascinating time in the world of college Could we.

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Speaker 2: Also point out that Lane Kiffin staying in the SEC

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Speaker 2: proves that it's maybe not as strong as it once was.

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Speaker 6: Okay, land On me, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: So the thought process is is Lane Kiffin stays with

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Speaker 6: All I see what you're saying.

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Speaker 2: So like if he took his game to the ACC,

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Speaker 2: that maybe the path. If you think that the SEC

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Speaker 6: That's an interesting point. I hadn't thought of it.

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Speaker 5: What I will say is bigger picture and I know

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Speaker 5: And so now I think even the narrative of well,

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Speaker 6: No, maybe it's the exact same as everything.

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Speaker 2: And I don't think that it's bouncing around. I think

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Speaker 2: So you have two Big ten teams playing an ACC

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Speaker 2: So Miami's road to the NASH Championship Game is absolutely validated.

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Speaker 2: So I think it's all connected.

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Speaker 5: And I think that was one of the themes of

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Speaker 5: But I said, they're out of their minds, run the

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Speaker 5: But I just bring it up because it's not just

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Speaker 5: Old Mis made it a game. Trinidad Chamblis was incredible.

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Speaker 2: We are ten minutes into the show that is just

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Speaker 2: So it was about eighteen minutes they held the football,

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Speaker 2: In the end, Ole Miss had a chance to win

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Speaker 3: The National Championship game.

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Speaker 2: Interesting Okay, so I think that the U is a

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: Us living in LA, this is like the Lakers might

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Speaker 3: That's not what this is.

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Speaker 7: Nobody really knows what any call is anymore. I think

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Speaker 7: think that's where I feel comfortable laying the points with

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Speaker 7: the Hoosiers before we.

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Speaker 6: Get to the NFL.

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Speaker 5: Just one more college football question, you know, Dan and

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Speaker 5: I opened this show like so many did today, about

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Speaker 5: you know, downfalls. Maybe a little bit of a heavy word,

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Speaker 5: but the SEC clearly is not what it used to

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Speaker 5: be in terms of results, and I was just curious

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Speaker 5: if you had any kind of metrics or data from

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Speaker 5: the betting world, whether it's you know, how you rank it.

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Speaker 5: I'm blanking on the right word the verbiage here, but basically,

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Speaker 5: do you have like empirical data in what you do

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Speaker 5: that shows that the SEC isn't what it was even.

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Speaker 6: Three four years ago.

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Speaker 7: It's a great question, Aaron. I think ratings wise, yes,

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Speaker 7: I think the SEC dominance is starting to be tapered

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Speaker 7: a little bit. For example, last year, organ was the

453
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Speaker 7: best team in the country all year long and then

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Speaker 7: they got exposed by another Big ten team. But in

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Speaker 7: terms of the power ratings. I don't think you're seeing

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Speaker 7: as many SEC teams in that elite tier, and then

457
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Speaker 7: they get these cross pollination matchups in the bowl games

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Speaker 7: and they were terrible. I mean it was absolutely awful.

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Speaker 7: I think I tweeted out last night the only SEC

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Speaker 7: postseason wins against non SEC teams were all miss over

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Speaker 7: Toulane in Texas over Michigan, who didn't have a head coach.

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Speaker 7: And obviously they're going through a lot right now with

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Speaker 7: their program. The SEC finished two and eight straight up

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Speaker 7: and against the spread, so sometimes, right they're winning games

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Speaker 7: but not covering. Well, they weren't winning or covering one

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Speaker 7: and three in the CFP against non SEC teams, So

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Speaker 7: I think you can absolutely make the case that nil.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 7: It used to be the rural gas stations out and

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Speaker 7: you know in you know, Alabama, Misissippi would be you know,

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Speaker 7: spending all this money for these players, and that was

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Speaker 7: the only way to pay players. Well, now you can

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Speaker 7: pay players in many different ways, and I think you're

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Speaker 7: starting to see the the diversity of funds really have

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Speaker 7: an impact on the overall landscape of college football. I mean,

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Speaker 7: go back and just look at who's played in the

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Speaker 7: national championship game over the last I don't know decade.

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Speaker 7: I mean, it's it's Michigan, it's Washington, it's Ohio State.

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Speaker 7: You get Oregon and Indiana in the championship, you know,

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Speaker 7: semi final tonight you have you have notreed aame. So

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Speaker 7: it's just I think it's starting to spread out. In

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Speaker 7: turn of it's not going to be all SEC dominance

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Speaker 7: from here on out. I think the nil and the

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Speaker 7: portal is really a level the playing field.

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Speaker 2: All right, let's switch gears with Jared Smith. He's hereon Torres.

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Speaker 2: I'm Dan Byer to the National Football League. You guys

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Speaker 2: will be previewing a wildcard weekend with two games coming

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Speaker 2: up on Saturday. I want to start with the nightcap

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Speaker 2: in Chicago. Packers one and a half point favorite over

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Speaker 2: the Bears in their NFC wildcard showdown. Always will be

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Speaker 2: a chilly night in Chicago. But why is green Bay

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Speaker 2: favored in this matchup between NFC North rivals.

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Speaker 7: I'll be honest, I don't know, Dan, I mean, I

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Speaker 7: do know.

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Speaker 3: It's it's the Boa.

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Speaker 7: It's you know, all these metrics that they look at

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Speaker 7: that cook up these ratings that makes green Bay a

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Speaker 7: you know, for you to be a road favorite, usually

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Speaker 7: you get at least one or two points for being

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Speaker 7: at home, and green Bay being a favorite in the

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Speaker 7: game means they are at least three points better than

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Speaker 7: Chicago on a neutral field. I don't know if I

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Speaker 7: agree with that. And first of all, Green Bay is

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Speaker 7: missing their best pass rusher, and I think their defense

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Speaker 7: has definitely taken a little bit of a step back

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Speaker 7: without Michael Parsons. Secondly, at what point do we ignore

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Speaker 7: some of the metrics and we say Chicago is just

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Speaker 7: really good at winning close games. They've done it all year,

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Speaker 7: and I think a lot of that's coaching, a lot

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Speaker 7: of that's mental toughness. Those are things that can't be

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Speaker 7: baked into a number, that can't be accounted for on

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Speaker 7: a spreadsheet. These are intangibles, and then you throw in

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Speaker 7: the momentum factor. Green Bays lost four games in a row.

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Speaker 7: That's only happened once in the last twenty five years

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Speaker 7: a team entering the playoffs on a four game losing streak.

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Speaker 7: It was last year. It was the Steelers, and then

517
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Speaker 7: they got beat by two touchdowns by the Ravens in

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Speaker 7: the wildcard round. So I think it's pretty disrespectful that

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Speaker 7: Chicago is playing a divisional opponent in a division they won,

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Speaker 7: and they're a home underdog in the playoffs. And again

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Speaker 7: I know why it's happening, but it's really remarkable.

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Speaker 3: This is where I come from.

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Speaker 2: The the just the average fan, average Joe's scenario is,

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Speaker 2: I remember what happened with Bears Packers in Soldier Field.

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Speaker 3: I remember what happened at lambeau Field.

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Speaker 2: Those are two very close games, but I mean the

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Speaker 2: Packers go in and almost upset Chicago, but they don't

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Speaker 2: get an on side kick, and the Bears score and

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Speaker 2: end up rallying and get the win. Like I remember

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Speaker 2: all of that. I just feel like Las Vegas was

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Speaker 2: smarter than me, you know what I mean. Like I

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Speaker 2: saw Green Bay, yeah yeah, and that's what we always hear, yes, yes,

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Speaker 2: and so I thought it would be like, Okay, this

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Speaker 2: is how it's going to play out. But Vegas still

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Speaker 2: is saying that it's Green Bay. And that's what kind

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Speaker 2: of you know, just caught me by surprises. I just

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Speaker 2: think most of us Joe's would think, like, all right,

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Speaker 2: even though they lost, they were tight games, it's gonna

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Speaker 2: be the Bears in the playoffs. But that wasn't the case.

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Speaker 7: There's no doubt that the sharper side is green Bay,

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Speaker 7: but that doesn't mean the sharper side always wins. So

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Speaker 7: and here's another reason I think green Bay is getting

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Speaker 7: some love. There's a trend out there that's a very

544
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Speaker 7: popular trend. It's very profitable trend. Right, quarterbacks that have

545
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Speaker 7: playoff experience playing a wildcard game because it has to

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Speaker 7: be wildcard game unless I guess the team is in

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Speaker 7: the number one seed in the divisional round against a

548
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Speaker 7: quarterback making his playoff debut. So the quarterbacks that are

549
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Speaker 7: making their playoff debut are covering at around thirty four percent,

550
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Speaker 7: twenty wins, thirty nine losses in one push against the spread,

551
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Speaker 7: and twenty and forty straight up. So out of sixty

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Speaker 7: games where the playoff debutante has gone up against a

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Speaker 7: playoff veteran, in terms of quarterbacking, only twenty straight up wins.

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Speaker 7: So obviously, with this game being a pick on it,

555
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Speaker 7: it's not going to really come down to the spread.

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Speaker 7: Most likely it's going to be whoever wins the game

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Speaker 7: will obviously cover. And that's why I think Green Bay's

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Speaker 7: getting some love. But again, I don't know how much

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Speaker 7: I buy that, because it just I think Chicago, you

560
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Speaker 7: have to at some point give them credit for winning

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Speaker 7: these games, and those are things that maybe aren't fully

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Speaker 7: baked into then. So I'm on the Bears. I'll go

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Speaker 7: down with the Caleb william Ship and the Ben Johnson ship.

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Speaker 7: If Jordan Love comes in there and smacks them around,

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Speaker 7: I'll tip my cat. But if you're giving me any

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Speaker 7: value as an underdog for a divisional winner facing a

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Speaker 7: divisional opponent at home in the playoffs, I can't not take.

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Speaker 6: That very quickly.

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Speaker 5: I'll ask you about another one and a half point

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Speaker 5: home favorite, at least according to the book that I'm

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Speaker 5: looking at, or road favorite. I think as at home favorite,

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Speaker 5: road favorite Buffalo Bills. We know what's at stake for them.

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Speaker 5: We know, frankly, what's its sake for everybody in that

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Speaker 5: building from Sean mcdermottah down. How do you see this

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Speaker 5: one playing out?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 7: This is a toss up game for sure. I mean

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Speaker 7: the Jacks are arguably the hottest, hottest team in the NFL,

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Speaker 7: eight to zero straight up and against the spread over

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Speaker 7: their last eight. The Bills. We've seen this before with

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Speaker 7: Buffalo in the postseason, these games typically go over. In fact,

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Speaker 7: of the last ten playoff games for the Bills, eight

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Speaker 7: of them have gone over the total, and in seven

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Speaker 7: of those ten, Buffalo scored at least twenty seven points.

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Speaker 7: It's fair to say the Bills defense is maybe a

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Speaker 7: little bit unlocked this year. I know they've been a

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Speaker 7: downtrodden unit, but again peeling back to curtain for how

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Speaker 7: I analyze games, Buffalo is a top five pressure eighteen,

589
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Speaker 7: but just eighteenth in quarterback sack percentage. What does that mean?

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Speaker 7: They're generating pressure, they're just not finishing the deal. And

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Speaker 7: sometimes you know, the sacks can be a little bit

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Speaker 7: fluky sometimes where you generate the pressure but you don't

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Speaker 7: necessarily get home. You still impact the quarterback. And Buffalo

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Speaker 7: I think has done a better job than maybe some

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Speaker 7: of the numbers reflect impacting the quarterback this year. Joey

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Speaker 7: Bosa needs to be really good in this game. He

597
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Speaker 7: got some full practice in this week. That's a good sign.

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Speaker 7: And Trevor Lawrence, right, you go from twelfth in EPA

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Speaker 7: to twenty third when pressured this year. So when he's

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Speaker 7: kept clean, he's a top ten, top fifteen quarterback. When

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Speaker 7: he's not well. Now he's a bottom ten quarterback. So

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Speaker 7: the Buffalo run game I think will be key here.

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Speaker 7: We've seen the Jags give up some big quarterback run games, right,

604
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Speaker 7: gave up sixty to Mahomes on Monday Night Football. They

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Speaker 7: gave up forty to Bryce Young earlier this year, even

606
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Speaker 7: gave up thirty nine to Brady Cook a few weeks ago.

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Speaker 7: So if Josh Allen's foot is healthy, the high leverage games, Aaron,

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Speaker 7: is where I see the quarterback run game becoming more

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Speaker 7: of a factor. I would say Trevor Lawrence is in

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Speaker 7: that category as well. Both of those quarterbacks, they're big,

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Speaker 7: they're strong the game. Obviously, both teams need it like blood.

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Speaker 7: I would say quarterback run game would be my first prop.

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Speaker 7: Angle both quarterbacks over their rushing yards and rushing attempts prop,

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Speaker 7: and then I think this is going to be a

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Speaker 7: higher scoring back and forth game.

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Speaker 3: Darn right, it's go time. Is It's a time that

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Speaker 2: You know come, I know this because Iowa Sam was

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Speaker 2: jacked up to talk some college football today. Like our

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Speaker 2: pre show meeting was good twenty minutes just talking about

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Speaker 2: the old CFB, and I knew Sam was in a

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Speaker 2: good mood because of it.

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Speaker 3: Just love talking shop about it.

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Speaker 5: I will say you know, the SEC chant has been

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Speaker 5: well known for years. Sam tried to get a big ten,

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Speaker 5: big ten ten chance.

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Speaker 3: That was Chrispopher Fett.

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Speaker 6: Didn't really click the way I think Sam was hoping for.

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Speaker 3: I'm not big ten, big toji.

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Speaker 2: I hated big ten teams and to the SEC started

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Speaker 2: the SEC chance and I'm like, oh, I gotta kind

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Speaker 2: of support the other schools. But growing up being a

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Speaker 2: big guy, I didn't like any of the other schools

653
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Speaker 2: in the conference, and so I thought it was so

654
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Speaker 2: weird that the SEC was claiming ownership when one team

655
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:08,160
Speaker 2: would win and then all of the other teams felt

656
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Speaker 2: like they had a share of the title. It never

657
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Speaker 2: made any sense to me by the way.

658
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Speaker 5: I know we got to get to the referee stuff,

659
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Speaker 5: but for half a second, I just want to say,

660
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Speaker 5: I do start to wonder was the SEC always actually

661
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Speaker 5: that dominant or was just Nick Saban that good? Like

662
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Speaker 5: if Nick Saban was never born, certainly other teams would

663
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Speaker 5: have been good, and LSU would have had their moment

664
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Speaker 5: and Georgia would have had their moment. I think the

665
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Speaker 5: last fifteen years would have probably ended up being a

666
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Speaker 5: lot more balanced if Nick Saban had never been Born.

667
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:38,920
Speaker 5: I know it's another conversation for another day, but with

668
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Speaker 5: the SEC supremacy was basically the Nick Saban supremacy.

669
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Speaker 2: So I think the top of the Big Ten is

670
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 2: really really good, and I don't think that the bottom

671
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:49,120
Speaker 2: of the Big Ten is good, but I think that

672
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:51,240
Speaker 2: the top is really really good. And that's how I

673
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:55,520
Speaker 2: feel like the SEC like the top top whether if

674
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Speaker 2: you want to put Florida, Alabama, Georgia in, if you

675
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:06,080
Speaker 2: want to put LSU Alabama, Georgia, whatever, whatever trio you

676
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 2: want to put, because it did vary a little bit

677
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:11,320
Speaker 2: for your Auburn putting Auburn in, you could put them

678
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:14,240
Speaker 2: as a part of the conversation. I do think that

679
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:18,680
Speaker 2: those teams enduring that era, that they were that good.

680
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 2: I just think then we got this inflated sense of

681
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 2: self or they did that because they had the three

682
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:28,840
Speaker 2: best teams, it also meant that they had the other

683
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:32,520
Speaker 2: eleven great teams, and I don't think that was necessarily

684
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:35,200
Speaker 2: the case. So even five, six and seven, I don't

685
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:38,640
Speaker 2: think we're that we're that good, but I do think

686
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:41,680
Speaker 2: that the top of the SEC was superior to everyone

687
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:44,640
Speaker 2: else in college football at one point in time.

688
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:46,280
Speaker 3: Iowa Sam.

689
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:49,479
Speaker 8: I would agree with that because Iowa was always beating

690
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:52,280
Speaker 8: that like six or seventh ranked team in the Outback Bowl.

691
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:53,240
Speaker 6: So there you have it.

692
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:57,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, and they they beat this year in the Relia Quest.

693
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Speaker 8: Formerly Vanderbilt, who was kind of a RINGEA playoff team

694
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 8: ten and two. I were the only ten and two

695
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:05,000
Speaker 8: in the ED sorry, the only ten and two team

696
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 8: in the SEC left out of the playoff.

697
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:09,360
Speaker 2: We laugh, we would when the bowl game started to

698
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:11,600
Speaker 2: take on the sponsors, and we would make fun of

699
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:14,080
Speaker 2: all the different wacky sponsors.

700
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:18,160
Speaker 3: But who doesn't miss the Outback Bowl, right, it's it.

701
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:20,640
Speaker 8: It rolls off the tongue better than relyaquest. I'll just

702
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:22,920
Speaker 8: say that. And it was a long time sponsor. I

703
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 8: know it used to be the Tangerine Bowl, right.

704
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:25,400
Speaker 6: It was the Hall of.

705
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:26,560
Speaker 3: Fame game for a while.

706
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:29,960
Speaker 8: But like it once, like a sponsor has a bowl

707
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:31,880
Speaker 8: game for a long time, you were like, you start

708
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:32,280
Speaker 8: to love it.

709
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:34,040
Speaker 6: You're like, okay, I can get behind this.

710
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:38,520
Speaker 2: Also because they had the promotion, if one team won,

711
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:41,560
Speaker 2: you could get the bloomin onion. Yeah, but if another

712
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:44,240
Speaker 2: team won, there was the other appetizer that they have

713
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:47,520
Speaker 2: at Outback So there was it was depending on which

714
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:50,120
Speaker 2: team won the game, you would have a rooting interest.

715
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:53,000
Speaker 2: But I also think when you see the the popularity

716
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:55,120
Speaker 2: of how the Pop Tarts Bowl is taken over the

717
00:33:55,200 --> 00:34:00,360
Speaker 2: Duke's the Mayo Bowl and dumping Mayo, like that whole

718
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 2: thing ended up taking on a life of its own,

719
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:05,640
Speaker 2: and I think now we miss some of those sponsors

720
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:07,600
Speaker 2: that are no longer there. I saw last night somebody's like,

721
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:10,759
Speaker 2: it's always the Tostitos Fiesta bol Tom, Sorry Verbo.

722
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:14,160
Speaker 8: I think food food sponsors for bowl games is so

723
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:16,280
Speaker 8: perfect because you put food into a bowl.

724
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:18,880
Speaker 6: I thought about that.

725
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:21,080
Speaker 5: I was gonna say, the best return on investment ever

726
00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:23,319
Speaker 5: form one of those things. Maybe pop Tarts surpassed it

727
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:27,040
Speaker 5: this year. But when Brent Musburger said this one's for

728
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:30,040
Speaker 5: all the Tostitos, and I think it was Oregon Auburn

729
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:31,799
Speaker 5: back in whatever was twenty eleven.

730
00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:35,000
Speaker 2: He used that reference. Actually even in Ohio State Miami

731
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:38,959
Speaker 2: that season, I didn't even know there was some yeah,

732
00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:42,920
Speaker 2: some reference made, but yeah, you're absolutely right the Tostito's Bowl,

733
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:44,920
Speaker 2: and then people would look at the Tostito's logo and

734
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:47,480
Speaker 2: be like, oh, it's great stuff.

735
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:48,880
Speaker 3: But sorry, Verbo.

736
00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:51,239
Speaker 2: There were some people who were not happy last night

737
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:53,840
Speaker 2: that Tostitos was not sponsoring the Fiesta Bowl. There are

738
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:57,120
Speaker 2: also some people that were not happy in the officiating,

739
00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:00,640
Speaker 2: and the officiating is where we want to get because

740
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:02,920
Speaker 2: last night, this is what happened in the first half

741
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 2: of the game between Ole Miss and Miami. We'll let

742
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:12,279
Speaker 2: the audio from ESPN and rules analyst Bill Lemonnier. It

743
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 2: gets the toss from Chris Fowler take it away.

744
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:16,600
Speaker 3: Early rep for Bill Demaye.

745
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:19,759
Speaker 9: Are rules expert here, Bill, your quick take on this one,

746
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:24,840
Speaker 9: but definitely defensives player. Strong hit to the head, neck area.

747
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:30,040
Speaker 9: I just shouldn't take long. Thankfully Tony got up and

748
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:31,600
Speaker 9: got off the field.

749
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:35,680
Speaker 10: And Tony's in the tent call going into the tent

750
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 10: as well, but he may be removed from this football

751
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:40,879
Speaker 10: game after look at all these different.

752
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:43,799
Speaker 9: Hits routine that I have to check out Tony after

753
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:47,440
Speaker 9: a hit like that in the tent, those slow motions, here's.

754
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:48,200
Speaker 4: Real speed.

755
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:52,120
Speaker 2: And so we're getting the sense this is targeting one again,

756
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:53,520
Speaker 2: one's going to be ejected.

757
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:57,080
Speaker 9: The ruling protect a defensive player right as much at

758
00:35:57,120 --> 00:36:00,080
Speaker 9: the offensive player that's defenseless.

759
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:01,560
Speaker 2: As a matter of time before we're going to kick

760
00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:04,600
Speaker 2: someone out because of what Bill le Monnier just told us.

761
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:08,439
Speaker 5: There is no foul for targeting the play it to play.

762
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:12,319
Speaker 3: He's the first stat you disagree with me. They show

763
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:13,200
Speaker 3: they're looking.

764
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:16,080
Speaker 9: They also have to have an indicator in there. And

765
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:18,680
Speaker 9: I don't you know a launch the thrust that type

766
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 9: of thing and running straight into him.

767
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:23,360
Speaker 1: They've deemed that that is not okay.

768
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:26,960
Speaker 2: That's it's amazing when hearing a seventy five year old

769
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:30,520
Speaker 2: man say thrust, that's not the worst part of the

770
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:34,640
Speaker 2: piece of it. It's the complete one eighty on his

771
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:39,279
Speaker 2: position after he was proven wrong, yep, right, it was

772
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:43,120
Speaker 2: what are you there for? What are you there for?

773
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:46,920
Speaker 2: And I think there's a bigger question on the broadcast

774
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:50,040
Speaker 2: what is the role of it? And and I give

775
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:52,799
Speaker 2: Fox credit because Fox was the one who brought in

776
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 2: Mike Pereira and Dean Blandino in the first to do

777
00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:59,000
Speaker 2: this football wise. But I'm a golf guy. You guys

778
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:03,759
Speaker 2: know this. Golf always had a rules official available for

779
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 2: the broadcast specifically or an event like the US Open.

780
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:10,160
Speaker 2: And what makes it so great with the rules of

781
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:13,839
Speaker 2: golf is there is no subjectivity. If a guy hits

782
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:17,640
Speaker 2: the ball out of bounds and it crosses a red line,

783
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 2: the rules official would be brought in to tell you

784
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:23,840
Speaker 2: where across the hazard where he can drop it. What

785
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:27,799
Speaker 2: are his options. He wasn't guessing at where the ball

786
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:31,040
Speaker 2: crossed the out of bounds line or where across the hazard.

787
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:33,480
Speaker 2: There's none of that. Like the rules are black and white,

788
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:36,960
Speaker 2: and now in football where it isn't, there's a lot

789
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:40,000
Speaker 2: of gray areas. To have an official up there tell

790
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:44,879
Speaker 2: you one thing, then the onfield official reverse it and

791
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:48,160
Speaker 2: not have the replay official then either contradict what the

792
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:51,200
Speaker 2: official is saying. To me is just awful and a

793
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:52,760
Speaker 2: complete waste of all of our time.

794
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:54,680
Speaker 3: It was Aaron.

795
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:57,480
Speaker 2: It was ridiculous last night, and it makes me wonder

796
00:37:57,760 --> 00:37:59,839
Speaker 2: why do we have people in the booth. Then it's

797
00:37:59,880 --> 00:38:01,480
Speaker 2: not that they don't get it right, but now you're

798
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:03,920
Speaker 2: changing the way that you saw the play.

799
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:05,800
Speaker 3: A minute ago. I think that's bs.

800
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:09,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, I could see the argument of if the ref

801
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 5: just called something different, you saying I fundamentally disagree. But

802
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:16,680
Speaker 5: here is the argument for why in theory he made

803
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:20,440
Speaker 5: this call. He did pivot pretty hard. Though he did

804
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:23,320
Speaker 5: pivot pretty hard there, I will say. I'll give credit

805
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:26,200
Speaker 5: to our executive producer Jason Stewart because he said this

806
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:28,920
Speaker 5: in the pre show meeting. I just think it shows

807
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:32,719
Speaker 5: how subjective all of these calls are to begin with,

808
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:37,680
Speaker 5: when the guy who's supposed to be the expert doesn't

809
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:40,239
Speaker 5: either doesn't know the rule, doesn't understand the rule, or

810
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:42,840
Speaker 5: just gets it wrong. And I think that's probably a

811
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:45,879
Speaker 5: fundamental issue with not only the targeting stuff, but also

812
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:47,400
Speaker 5: which I'm sure we'll talk about before the end of

813
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:49,319
Speaker 5: the segment, the pass interference to end the game as well.

814
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:52,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it was a bad look. Jay, you loving

815
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:54,759
Speaker 3: the officials in the booth. I'm guessing not so much.

816
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:58,879
Speaker 4: Well, you know my overall stance guys on predictions specifically

817
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:02,840
Speaker 4: in our industry are loads of hosts throughout our industry

818
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:05,960
Speaker 4: that just fill their shows with the predictions so that

819
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:08,239
Speaker 4: the ten percent of the time they could when the

820
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 4: prediction comes true, they could put it on Twitter and

821
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:13,240
Speaker 4: be like, I'm just gonna lead this here. There's loads

822
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:14,959
Speaker 4: of a host that do that, okay, and I can't

823
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:19,520
Speaker 4: stand it. Predictions don't serve anybody, specifically the listeners, and

824
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 4: why would you have your expert do the prediction. Just

825
00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:27,120
Speaker 4: explain to us what the officials are contemplating in the moment,

826
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:31,160
Speaker 4: and then after the fact, explain why they decided that way.

827
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:35,080
Speaker 4: When you do the prediction, you're exposing your network for

828
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:37,719
Speaker 4: the choice that they made of you as the expert,

829
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:40,440
Speaker 4: and you're exposing the officials on the field like you're

830
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:44,399
Speaker 4: undercutting everybody. Like why the rush to predict? I don't

831
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:44,640
Speaker 4: get that.

832
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:49,080
Speaker 2: I don't either, and especially too he was peacockying it.

833
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:53,240
Speaker 2: It should be pretty quick, right, like, let's step aside Fowler,

834
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:55,880
Speaker 2: this is La Monnier time, Isaac loh and Kron what

835
00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:56,319
Speaker 2: do you got.

836
00:39:56,440 --> 00:40:01,680
Speaker 10: Fox's decision to start this whole official ciating analyst's role

837
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:07,320
Speaker 10: with Mike Pereira and then after that Dean Blandino was revolutionary.

838
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:10,600
Speaker 10: So I feel that the two of them, as well

839
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:14,200
Speaker 10: as Gene sterotare over ATS CBS are the gold standard.

840
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:18,680
Speaker 10: Now it's gotten to the point where everybody is inserting

841
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:22,600
Speaker 10: a rules analyst into their telecast, even in different sports,

842
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:26,480
Speaker 10: and it's starting to be sort of a set of dilution,

843
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:30,919
Speaker 10: and I feel, and Jason hit on this, the role

844
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:36,239
Speaker 10: of the officiating analyst has started to transition to the

845
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:40,839
Speaker 10: detriment of the viewing experience from a true analyst who

846
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:45,600
Speaker 10: explains the rules and puts everything into perspective, into a

847
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:50,080
Speaker 10: judge and an opinionator who says good call, bad call,

848
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:52,960
Speaker 10: which is an opinion just like the analyst on the

849
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:56,239
Speaker 10: broadcast can do. I feel the role is transitioning to

850
00:40:56,280 --> 00:41:00,120
Speaker 10: a place where it does not serve the viewer. It

851
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:04,759
Speaker 10: needs to be sort of a contextual clarification role. Here's

852
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:05,560
Speaker 10: what they're looking at.

853
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:07,960
Speaker 2: Sure, And I would say, like again, I think that

854
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:10,799
Speaker 2: golf was the front runner in this because they had

855
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:14,080
Speaker 2: gone on for decades, not to the extent of football,

856
00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:16,440
Speaker 2: but they actually had someone to explain the rules. And

857
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:19,759
Speaker 2: the rules are pretty They're complicated, but they're black and white.

858
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:21,879
Speaker 2: That's one or the other, and that's what it's going

859
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:24,160
Speaker 2: to be. There's not a lot of wiggle room. What

860
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:25,960
Speaker 2: we're finding out with more and more of this is

861
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:28,480
Speaker 2: how much wiggle room that there actually is. And I

862
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:32,759
Speaker 2: also look at honestly, I'll blame ESPN because when you

863
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:36,320
Speaker 2: listen to an ESPN college football broadcast, specifically with Fowler

864
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:40,680
Speaker 2: and Herb Street, everything is ho hums, smooth and good

865
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:43,160
Speaker 2: to go. You don't want much conflict. You don't want

866
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:47,080
Speaker 2: stuff contrasting each other. It's a smooth follower as smooth

867
00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:50,160
Speaker 2: and in his delivery herb Street saying what he does

868
00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:52,279
Speaker 2: doesn't get real deep, just does kind of top of

869
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:54,919
Speaker 2: the line stuff and moves on and you don't get

870
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:58,200
Speaker 2: any of that conflict in a booth. Not that people

871
00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 2: want to listen to conflict, but that's what it sounded like.

872
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:01,640
Speaker 3: For one way.

873
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:04,920
Speaker 2: It's called targeting. Yep, gonna go targeting, yep, that's absolutely targeting.

874
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:07,600
Speaker 2: This should be quick. No targeting on the play yep. Well,

875
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:09,400
Speaker 2: what they were looking for was the thrust here, and

876
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:12,600
Speaker 2: that's all smoothing it over and making it real nice,

877
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:15,319
Speaker 2: which is I think something that ESPN wants. But I

878
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:18,799
Speaker 2: just think it completely did not serve the viewer last night.

879
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:21,200
Speaker 5: Well, I was gonna add to what is funny is

880
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:24,800
Speaker 5: and you rarely see this is the rare either analyst

881
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:27,839
Speaker 5: or play by play guy that will just openly just

882
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:30,719
Speaker 5: call the rules analyst an idiot and just disagree with

883
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:35,239
Speaker 5: him because usually, to Isaac's point, it's an analyst. It's

884
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:38,239
Speaker 5: not an analyst, it's an expert. It's somebody that's official.

885
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:41,200
Speaker 5: His word is the final word, and the one guy

886
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:44,319
Speaker 5: that stands out watched tonight, Sean McDonough will be like,

887
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:47,480
Speaker 5: if there's like a questionable targeting and the rules analyst

888
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:51,120
Speaker 5: comes on and whatever, that's gotta be targeting, textbook targeting.

889
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:53,960
Speaker 5: But Sean McDonald just be like, well, that's a stupid rule,

890
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:55,520
Speaker 5: then well we need to get that rule out. And

891
00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:58,080
Speaker 5: it's like, you don't see that very often. But I

892
00:42:58,120 --> 00:43:03,120
Speaker 5: also do enjoy the friction of when an analyst or

893
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:06,640
Speaker 5: a play by play guy will say, Okay, maybe that

894
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:09,719
Speaker 5: is the interpretation of the rule, but I just fundamentally

895
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:11,440
Speaker 5: disagree with that actual interpretation.

896
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:12,920
Speaker 3: Iowa, Sam, you know.

897
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:14,040
Speaker 6: And also I think is stupid.

898
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:18,239
Speaker 8: Is the term indisputable video evidence. I'm just tired of it.

899
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:22,960
Speaker 8: It's been around forever. Video evidence is inherently disputable. Okay,

900
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:27,000
Speaker 8: people see things different ways. That's happening right now in

901
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:30,000
Speaker 8: our country. So basically we need to get rid of

902
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 8: that term. We need to call it like overwhelming video

903
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:36,600
Speaker 8: evidence something like that, Like it's just indisputable. It's such

904
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:39,920
Speaker 8: like a cut and dry thing that people see things differently,

905
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:42,600
Speaker 8: and like we just it's just a term that I

906
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:45,360
Speaker 8: just people they use it like it's just it's so

907
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 8: valid and it's not.

908
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:47,919
Speaker 3: It's just a terrible term.

909
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:50,120
Speaker 2: And I think last night was it was also a

910
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:54,480
Speaker 2: blending of people who like or dislike replay. And then

911
00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:57,080
Speaker 2: we have the conversation that we're also talking about here

912
00:43:57,280 --> 00:44:01,360
Speaker 2: is an official and how you use the official throughout

913
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:06,240
Speaker 2: that game. To Jason's point of if Bill Lemonnier comes

914
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:09,880
Speaker 2: on and says, this is what the officials are looking at,

915
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:14,600
Speaker 2: and gives everything that he said after the point and

916
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:17,440
Speaker 2: then the call is made, he then could give his

917
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:22,279
Speaker 2: opinion on what it actually was. If he said there's

918
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:26,240
Speaker 2: looking for a thrust, if they're looking for a launch

919
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:29,160
Speaker 2: in all of those things, that's how you go about it,

920
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:32,080
Speaker 2: and that's what I think Pereira and Blandino do. And

921
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:34,560
Speaker 2: then ultimately in the end maybe you'll let Herbstreet or

922
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 2: Follower draw their conclusion or Lamagnier comes in. But it

923
00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:41,840
Speaker 2: also when you're doing this, puts a real big spotlight

924
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:47,200
Speaker 2: on the inconsistencies of officiating at the college level and

925
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:49,680
Speaker 2: in the National Football League. And I think that's sterotory

926
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:53,840
Speaker 2: and Blandino and and Pereira think more like the officials

927
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:56,520
Speaker 2: are all kind of in the same group. College football,

928
00:44:56,560 --> 00:45:00,960
Speaker 2: you have packed twelve big twelve official He had packed

929
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:06,000
Speaker 2: twelve officials that one day, acc sec big ten officials

930
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:08,879
Speaker 2: from all different leagues, and then they're not. It's not

931
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:12,760
Speaker 2: necessarily necessarily the same, and so you're getting a wide

932
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:14,920
Speaker 2: variety of different calls. And I think that last night

933
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:19,919
Speaker 2: just put a magnifying glass under maybe how how poor

934
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:22,600
Speaker 2: the officiating could be in college football. Even though ultimately

935
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:25,200
Speaker 2: I think they got the play right, like they got

936
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 2: the call right in the players going for the defender

937
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:31,480
Speaker 2: going for the football that it wasn't targeting, that was great.

938
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:33,879
Speaker 2: But if a guy up in the booth is trying

939
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:36,400
Speaker 2: to go through what he thinks. If Bill Alemannier was

940
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:38,200
Speaker 2: on the field, he you know, would have called that

941
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:40,000
Speaker 2: targeting and kicked the guy out.

942
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:40,880
Speaker 3: Just weird.

943
00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:44,080
Speaker 4: I'll say this. I don't know if it was Isaac

944
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:47,759
Speaker 4: or Aaron, but I think that there still is a

945
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:50,080
Speaker 4: necessity for it. I think it's a good idea that

946
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:52,920
Speaker 4: every every league should do. Because remember there was a

947
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:55,359
Speaker 4: play in the World Series. There was one of those

948
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:58,120
Speaker 4: plays where a throw hit the runner and there was

949
00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:00,759
Speaker 4: like question about whether he was in the baseline or not.

950
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:03,919
Speaker 4: And I remember in the time, thinking that not having

951
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:06,239
Speaker 4: an umpire in the booth to at least get the

952
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:10,080
Speaker 4: clarification of the rule is a big miss here because

953
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:12,520
Speaker 4: that broadcasters weren't hitting on what the exact rule is

954
00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:14,400
Speaker 4: because maybe they don't know the exact rules. So I

955
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:17,360
Speaker 4: think there's a necessity for it. I think the viewer

956
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:20,320
Speaker 4: expects to be informed. I just think that when you

957
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:23,680
Speaker 4: get into the prediction part, this is what they will

958
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:25,760
Speaker 4: call that exposes everybody.

959
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:30,200
Speaker 10: And I will say this, broadcasters desperately themselves want to

960
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:32,840
Speaker 10: know the rules and get them right, but there's so

961
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:36,520
Speaker 10: much other information that a broadcaster needs to know. An

962
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:40,839
Speaker 10: officiating analyst, they that's their specialty, that's their rule book,

963
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:46,239
Speaker 10: And there's so many little unusual rules in any rule

964
00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:50,319
Speaker 10: book that nobody knows about except people who are professional

965
00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:54,920
Speaker 10: officiate professional officials, that that is their role to know

966
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:59,200
Speaker 10: in case an unusual, rare situation comes up that only

967
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:02,160
Speaker 10: someone who is a fashional official official would know.

968
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:05,520
Speaker 2: Football is tough, Basketball is tough. I think baseball is

969
00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:08,480
Speaker 2: more along along the lines of golf. It either is

970
00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:10,800
Speaker 2: or it isn't. Then maybe in a lot of cases

971
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:13,800
Speaker 2: of what the actual rule is, what did you say, Sam,

972
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:15,359
Speaker 2: you said tennis in my ear.

973
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:17,400
Speaker 8: Oh I'm sorry. I just say tennis is something like

974
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:18,920
Speaker 8: it's over the liner. It's not like, I know, you

975
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:20,040
Speaker 8: guys are talking about different things here.

976
00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:21,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's in or out, you know sort of thing.

977
00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:25,600
Speaker 2: But yeah, the actual like implemation of of the rules,

978
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:29,440
Speaker 2: you know, the golf rule book is you know, section six,

979
00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:33,160
Speaker 2: you know, to a blah blah blah, and there's there's

980
00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:34,680
Speaker 2: a lot to it, so you need someone there and

981
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:35,319
Speaker 2: it aids to it.

982
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:37,160
Speaker 3: But football is football is a tough one.

983
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:38,560
Speaker 5: I know we only have half a second here, but

984
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:41,440
Speaker 5: I will ask you really quick. I have long believed that,

985
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:44,319
Speaker 5: especially we're talking about college football game specifically, if you're

986
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:47,440
Speaker 5: gonna send Trinidad Chambliss, Keywon Lacy, whoever up to the

987
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:51,320
Speaker 5: podium to talk after a loss, the referee should be

988
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:52,640
Speaker 5: available to the general public.

989
00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:53,759
Speaker 6: Do you agree with that or not?

990
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:57,400
Speaker 5: Like a referee should have to take the podium and

991
00:47:57,400 --> 00:48:00,360
Speaker 5: if there are questions, should have to answer them.

992
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:01,880
Speaker 6: I don't think they should be protected.

993
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:04,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think like in the NFL they aren't.

994
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:05,960
Speaker 2: You can request to speak with that, you know, with

995
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:08,640
Speaker 2: a pool reporter and have that sort of clarity. So

996
00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:11,359
Speaker 2: I think in a way, yes, I just wouldn't want

997
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:13,280
Speaker 2: to sit through any refereeing press conferences.

998
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:14,360
Speaker 6: No, I understand.

999
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:17,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's just like all right, you can go Torres,

1000
00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:19,160
Speaker 2: you can go cover that, see if it was holding

1001
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:21,120
Speaker 2: in the second quarter or not, because you know they

1002
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:22,840
Speaker 2: you know it would you know, right.

1003
00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:25,080
Speaker 6: It's like Major League Baseball.

1004
00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:27,879
Speaker 5: It's like it's nice to have the manager available, even

1005
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:29,839
Speaker 5: though out of one hundred and sixty two games, there's

1006
00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:33,040
Speaker 5: maybe like six that you actually need something noteworthy after

1007
00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:34,960
Speaker 5: a game, but it's still good to have them there

1008
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:35,600
Speaker 5: when you need them.

1009
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:38,080
Speaker 3: It's good to have Jared Smith with us.

1010
00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:40,080
Speaker 2: He's gonna come up next, give us a preview of

1011
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:42,919
Speaker 2: the NFL wild Card weekend and even a look at

1012
00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:45,960
Speaker 2: tonight's Oregon Indiana game. Of course, Jared co host of

1013
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:49,640
Speaker 2: Countdown to Kickoff, presented by Bett MGM every Saturday morning.

1014
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:52,160
Speaker 2: Jared's gonna join us next. He's erin Torres. I'm dan Byer.

1015
00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:55,040
Speaker 2: That's AASAC glowing crown. Jason Stewart and Iowa Sam