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Speaker 1: Cup week, and I wanted to make sure that we

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Speaker 1: And now let's get to the Ryder Cup. It's going

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Speaker 1: to be a very very interesting week. I'm excited. I've

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Speaker 1: been going to Ryder Cups. Really. The first Ryder Cup

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Speaker 1: I ever went to was the last time the US

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Speaker 1: one on foreign soil. That was at the Belfry in

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Speaker 1: nineteen ninety three, and I've been to the majority of

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Speaker 1: the Ryder Cup since then. They are they're very special weeks.

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Speaker 1: They're different. It's team competition. You're playing for your country

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Speaker 1: and so as a golfer, you're rare doing that. You're

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Speaker 1: weeks so unique. I'm over here with brooks Kepcho. We

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Speaker 1: I hadn't seen the golf course before. It's a big

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Speaker 1: golf course. I think the majority of the shots, second

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Speaker 1: golf course. It's a very very hilly up and down

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Speaker 1: think stamina is going to be a big, big part

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Speaker 1: It's in the nineties pretty much every day.

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Speaker 1: It's hot in the mornings, it's hot in the afternoons.

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Speaker 1: So I think, are we going to see players play

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Speaker 1: They've got major champions in Matt Fitzpatrick. They've got some rookies.

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Speaker 1: What is being on a Ryder Cup team going to

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Speaker 1: Ryder Cup rolls around every two year cycle. The captains

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Speaker 1: Won two tournaments. Yes, he looks like he's legit. Everybody

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Speaker 1: What do these captains? How do these captains make this choice?

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Speaker 2: Now is that important? Absolutely? You want to know.

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Speaker 1: How your players are playing. You want to know how

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Speaker 1: I think the way the golf course is set up

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Speaker 1: every two years, the host team, the host captain sets

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Speaker 1: The only thing that makes difference is how the players play, right,

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Speaker 1: some panic sets in, and then you start saying, okay,

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Speaker 1: now what do I do? So then I think what

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Speaker 1: ends up sometimes happening is you start trying to invent partnerships, right,

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Speaker 1: and I don't know if that'll I don't know if

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Speaker 1: that works. I think these are kind of one and

436
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Speaker 1: lost by finding a hot pair and writing it.

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Speaker 2: So I think that's going.

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Speaker 1: To be really really interesting. From a brook standpoint, I

439
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Speaker 1: think you'll see Brooks play at some point with Scotty Scheffler.

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Speaker 1: I think I would really like to see Brooks play

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Speaker 1: with Brian Harmon. They went out today on Thursday. They

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Speaker 1: went out into a practice round. They were playing each

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Speaker 1: other's ball. They played different balls. Brooks plays sticks on,

444
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Speaker 1: Brian Harmon plays a titleist.

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Speaker 2: They were trying.

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Speaker 1: Each other's ball out. I know in one of the

447
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Speaker 1: practice rounds other than to other than Thursday, Brooks played

448
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Speaker 1: every practice round in his group and Scotty Scheffler was

449
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Speaker 1: in his group, and man, I just I can't say

450
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Speaker 1: enough about that guy, right that guy is just such

451
00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:05,040
Speaker 1: and impressive golfer the way he drives the golf ball. Listen,

452
00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:08,040
Speaker 1: everybody talks about the great drivers of the golf ball,

453
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Speaker 1: DJ Brooks, Rory, John Rahm, these bombers. I'm telling you,

454
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Speaker 1: if there's a better driver in the golf in the

455
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Speaker 1: game of golf right now, that isn't Scotti Scheffler.

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Speaker 2: I don't know who it is.

457
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Speaker 1: I mean, he just has so much power, hits the

458
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Speaker 1: golf ball high, can carry the golf ball miles in

459
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Speaker 1: the air. I just can't say enough about him, and

460
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Speaker 1: watching him play this week up close, I mean, he

461
00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:40,960
Speaker 1: is a dominant, dominant, complete player. I think I think

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Speaker 1: you could see maybe Brooks play with a guy like

463
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Speaker 1: Wyndham Clark. Very similar type characters, tremendous confidence, tremendous self

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Speaker 1: belief that to a lot of people borderline borders on

465
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Speaker 1: arrogance at time, which I gotta be honest with you,

466
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Speaker 1: I like it.

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Speaker 2: I love it.

468
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Speaker 1: I mean Wyndom Clark came out last week and was

469
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Speaker 1: talking about he thinks he's as good as Rory and

470
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Speaker 1: all that. Do I think Wyndam Clark is as good

471
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Speaker 1: as Rory McElroy. No, I don't, But the fact that

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Speaker 1: Wyndham Clark thinks that way. You want someone like that,

473
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Speaker 1: who's got a who just won his first major in

474
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Speaker 1: a pretty dominant fashion, in a pretty gritty fashion out

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Speaker 1: at LACC in the US Open. You sure as hell

476
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Speaker 1: don't want guys coming in here that don't think they're

477
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Speaker 1: as good as Rory McElroy, right. I mean, I think

478
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Speaker 1: a lot of people think, Okay, you're arrogant and stuff

479
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:35,240
Speaker 1: like that, but you need that self belief.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: Does Wyndam need to express that and put that out

482
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Speaker 1: in the media and then have Rory see it and

483
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Speaker 1: all that. I don't know, But I think Brooks and

484
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Speaker 1: Wyndham are very similar type characters and they're not scared, right,

485
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Speaker 1: They're not scared of each other or are not scared

486
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Speaker 1: of anybody, And I think they could play. But I

487
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Speaker 1: like Brooks with a guy like Brian Harmon. I really

488
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Speaker 1: think that could be a very good pair for the

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Speaker 1: both of them. To me, it reminds me a lot

490
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Speaker 1: of Brooks's first Ryder Cup in twenty eighteen at Hazelteine.

491
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:10,000
Speaker 1: He played with brand Snedeker. When they were asked by

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Speaker 1: the captain, who do you want to play with? Who

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Speaker 1: do you want as your partner? They both put each

494
00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:20,240
Speaker 1: other down as people they didn't want to play with.

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Speaker 1: They ended up playing with each other and they played

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Speaker 1: great together. So I think that could be a good partnership.

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Speaker 1: I really like the Ludwig Aberg. I'm probably butchering that name,

498
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:37,120
Speaker 1: but and Victor Hovlin the All Viking team, I think

499
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Speaker 1: that's going to be a very good partnership. And listen,

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Speaker 1: I think Rory McElroy partnered with Tommy Fleetwood. If they

501
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Speaker 1: go out and get a win, do you keep them

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Speaker 1: together and try and, you know, recreate the Frankie Mullinari

503
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Speaker 1: and Tommy Fleetwood where they just crushed everybody. So I

504
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Speaker 1: think the golf course is going to have a big

505
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Speaker 1: say in I think the conditions are going to have

506
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Speaker 1: a big say in this. I think the captains are

507
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:07,080
Speaker 1: going to have a big say in this. But the

508
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Speaker 1: people that will have the biggest say in this Ryder

509
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:15,920
Speaker 1: Cup will be the twelve players on each side. The captains,

510
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:19,320
Speaker 1: they've got the job at trying to figure out the pairings.

511
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:21,800
Speaker 1: They've got the job at trying to pick the right

512
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Speaker 1: people for the team. But the players that play each

513
00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:29,600
Speaker 1: of these Ryder Cups every two year cycle, it's the players.

514
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Speaker 1: And are we going to see the US do what

515
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Speaker 1: they did at Whistling Straits. They made a lot of potts,

516
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Speaker 1: they found some good partnerships, and the big players stepped up.

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Speaker 1: Historically on this run over the last thirty years, where

518
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Speaker 1: the US hasn't won nearly the amount of Ryder Cups

519
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Speaker 1: they should have, the Euros have gotten a lot of

520
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:58,440
Speaker 1: points from their horses, from their stuts Clarkey, Westwood, Sergio Rory,

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Speaker 1: John Rahm, and par Us. They have gotten points from

522
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Speaker 1: their superstars, And when the US hasn't been winning, they

523
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Speaker 1: haven't gotten the production. They didn't get a lot of

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Speaker 1: points from Phil, they didn't get a lot of points

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Speaker 1: from Tiger when they weren't arguably the two best players

526
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Speaker 1: in the game and the two biggest players in the game,

527
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Speaker 1: they were the biggest players in the game.

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Speaker 2: Tiger is the biggest player in golf, right.

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Speaker 1: I think it's interesting that t dubs out here this week.

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Speaker 1: I thought he would be here. I thought, you know,

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Speaker 1: some of the other Ryder Cups that he hasn't been

532
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Speaker 1: a part of he's been a captain. I don't know

533
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Speaker 1: what you make of that. I'm sure he's been on

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Speaker 1: the phone to Zach and a lot of guys on

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Speaker 1: the team. I think it would have been cool to

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Speaker 1: see him here. I think everybody here in Italy would

537
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Speaker 1: have It would have been.

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Speaker 2: Great to see Tiger.

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Speaker 1: But this is to me about how the players play,

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Speaker 1: how they handle the amphitheater. Now that is the first

541
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Speaker 1: tee there's probably about I was down there this morning

542
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Speaker 1: for the for the photos with the team and got

543
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Speaker 1: to watch the team get their photos and then one

544
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Speaker 1: of the cool things that they started doing last year

545
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Speaker 1: for US coaches, we get to get a picture with

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Speaker 1: the player and the caddy that we're working with, which

547
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Speaker 1: I got to do it with DJ and Austin Johnson

548
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Speaker 1: at Whistling Straits, Ricky Elliott and Brooks cept Ga got

549
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Speaker 1: to do it today.

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Speaker 2: Listen.

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Speaker 1: If you're a player, a benchmark of your career is

552
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Speaker 1: playing on a Ryder Cup. If you are a caddie,

553
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Speaker 1: one of the benchmarks of your career is caddying in

554
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Speaker 1: Ryder Cups. For a player, and for those of us

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Speaker 1: that are here this week, the coaching fraternity. It's a

556
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Speaker 1: huge honor to be here at the Ryder Cup working

557
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Speaker 1: with a player on one of these teams, and you

558
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Speaker 1: kind of feel like you're part of it. This year,

559
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Speaker 1: for the first time ever, the PGA of America gave

560
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Speaker 1: all of US coaches some of the uniform pieces, So

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00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:54,680
Speaker 1: we've been wearing some of the same clothing that the

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Speaker 1: players have and the rest of the team, and it

563
00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:01,360
Speaker 1: makes you feel like you're part of the team. It's

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Speaker 1: a very very interesting, it's a very unique week. It's

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Speaker 1: a very long week. We were all saying today Thursday, hey,

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Speaker 1: can we get these damn matches started. It's a long,

567
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Speaker 1: long week. Early in the week and the American team,

568
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:21,320
Speaker 1: the majority of them, only played nine holes each day.

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Speaker 1: And on the first day, Brooks was paired in a

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Speaker 1: group with Wyndam Clark and Wyndham said, you played nine

571
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Speaker 1: or eighteen? And brook said, I'm only going to play nine,

572
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Speaker 1: And Wyndham was trying to figure out if he was

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Speaker 1: going to play eighteen or not. And Brooks said, listen,

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Speaker 1: all I'm going to tell you is, having been on

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Speaker 1: three of these, these are very very long weeks. Try

576
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Speaker 1: and conserve your energy. Try and stay fresh because there's

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Speaker 1: a lot of stuff. There was the gala last night,

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Speaker 1: there's the opening ceremonies, there are team dinners, there are

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Speaker 1: team meetings and the matches you know, Friday Saturday. There's

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Speaker 1: morning sessions and afternoon sessions. So the guys that are

581
00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:01,760
Speaker 1: teeing off in the morning tomorrow, they are going to

582
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Speaker 1: be up incredibly early to get to the golf course.

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Speaker 1: The traffic in Rome, let's just say, there's a lot

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Speaker 1: of traffic, so the players are making sure that they

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00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:18,800
Speaker 1: a lot enough time. It took us the first day,

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Speaker 1: our bus driver got lost. It took us almost two

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Speaker 1: hours to get to the golf course. It's the golf

588
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:29,560
Speaker 1: course is about no traffic, about thirty to forty five

589
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Speaker 1: minutes from the city center where everyone's staying. But with traffic,

590
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 1: if there's an accident, it could be an hour and thirty.

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00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:42,360
Speaker 1: So that is a big part of the preparation. So listen,

592
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Speaker 1: these are some of the coolest weeks of golf. And

593
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:54,000
Speaker 1: I have overloaded already on pizza and pasta. It's been fantastic.

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00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:57,880
Speaker 1: In you when you are at a Ryder Cup and

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Speaker 1: you're lucky enough to be working with a player that

596
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:04,320
Speaker 1: is playing in a Ryder club like I am. It's

597
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:07,680
Speaker 1: very very special. I can't even imagine what it's like

598
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:11,000
Speaker 1: for the players. It's just got to be the coolest

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00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:14,560
Speaker 1: thing ever to put on a shirt, you know. Brooks

600
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Speaker 1: got asked in his press conference earlier in the week,

601
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Speaker 1: you feel like you're flying the flag for live and

602
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 1: he said, no, I feel like I'm flying the flag

603
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:22,880
Speaker 1: for the American team and the USA is on my hat,

604
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:26,640
Speaker 1: and I think everybody here feels that way. I haven't

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Speaker 1: noticed any you know, with Brooks being the only live

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Speaker 1: guy on this team. You know, was there some animal

607
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:35,400
Speaker 1: that I haven't seen any of that I've seen Brooks,

608
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Speaker 1: you know, hang out and do the same things that

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00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:42,720
Speaker 1: he always does with all of these guys. So Zach Johnson,

610
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:46,200
Speaker 1: Luke Donalds, how are they going to get the team ready?

611
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:50,400
Speaker 1: And how are the US team and the European side

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Speaker 1: going to respond? It is going to be a very

613
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Speaker 1: very interesting week. I for one, am so excited that

614
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Speaker 1: this damn thing is starting. And like I said, golf

615
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 1: course will play a role and who wins this. The

616
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:10,400
Speaker 1: captains will play a role and who wins this. But

617
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:14,600
Speaker 1: ultimately this will come down to the twelve players on

618
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:18,080
Speaker 1: the American side and the twelve players playing for Europe.

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Speaker 1: How do they play, how do they handle the pressure,

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Speaker 1: how do they respond to what is constantly happening on

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Speaker 1: the golf course. That, to me is what makes these

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Speaker 1: weeks so fascinating. And I've been at a lot of

623
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Speaker 1: Ryder Cups, but my favorite part of the Ryder Cup

624
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:42,279
Speaker 1: are those late matches, right those matches that whether it's Friday, Saturday,

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Speaker 1: even Sunday, where there's only really a couple of matches

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Speaker 1: out on the golf course, they tend to be the

627
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:57,279
Speaker 1: pivotal matches and you basically have the entire American team, players, caddies, captains,

628
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Speaker 1: vice captains, support, why, girlfriends, everybody associated with those teams.

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Speaker 1: With the American team will be on one side of

630
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:07,719
Speaker 1: the fairway going down, and on the other side of

631
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 1: the fairway the Euros will be there. When they get

632
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:13,040
Speaker 1: to the greens, everybody's sitting and you'll get to see

633
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:15,720
Speaker 1: a lot of this. And to me, I've been lucky

634
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 1: enough to be a part and be around some of

635
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:22,600
Speaker 1: that atmosphere and it's just the coolest thing. It really

636
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:26,279
Speaker 1: really is, and these are very very special weeks and

637
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:30,000
Speaker 1: for the players that have been lucky enough to be

638
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:34,360
Speaker 1: involved in Ryder Cups, they are I think there are

639
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:37,960
Speaker 1: memories of a lifetime. I think you see players form

640
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:41,520
Speaker 1: bonds and friendships that last really.

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Speaker 2: Their entire career.

642
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:47,880
Speaker 1: And just a cool, cool story from Hazeltine. It was

643
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:51,000
Speaker 1: Brooks's first Ryder Cup twenty eighteen and I told him

644
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:53,080
Speaker 1: when he turned pro, you don't ever want to miss

645
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:56,000
Speaker 1: one of these, and you'll understand once you get on

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Speaker 1: he played with Branson Edeker. They played very well together.

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Speaker 1: You wouldn't think that they'd be friends, you wouldn't think

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Speaker 1: And I think Brent did a great job at kind

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Speaker 1: of shepherding Brooks. It was a rookie, but a cool moment.

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Speaker 1: At the end of Brooks's singles match, there was a

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Speaker 1: go see Brent finish his match. I want to go

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Speaker 1: see my partner and I think that is just so cool,

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Speaker 1: and I think that speaks a lot to what these

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Speaker 1: get your asses up early and watch. And I am

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Speaker 1: very very excited for the twenty twenty three Ryder Cup.

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Speaker 1: As I know everyone listening thanks for listening to the podcast.

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Speaker 1: I wanted to make sure that I could get through

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Speaker 1: these practice rounds and get you all as much information

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Speaker 1: as possible. Son of it which comes to you every Wednesday.

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Speaker 1: We will see you next week. I sect the twenty

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